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"text": "I don't see one decent paper on Belgian Lesbian Studies anywhere on this list! How can this be a legitimate school?",
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"text": "\u201cAnd They Were Both Naked \u2026 and Were Not Ashamed\u201d: The Nude as the Highest Material Object of the Visual Art.\nOH SNAP",
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"text": "Wild how many of these are circling around political philosophy. I've wondered if this is a trend over the last decade or so. Richard Delahide Ferrier, David Quackenbush, Brian Dragoo - do you think there are more or less students writing on political philosophy topics these days than in the past? Or has it remained roughly constant?",
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"text": "Escalante: The next step will be a thesis on usury and the Loonie.",
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"text": "A surprising number of theological interests: even something on evangelization. I'd say the students are taking over.",
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"text": "I think if Tim Horton's and the Toonie make an appearance in a thesis title, it will be time for a scouring of the shire.",
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"text": "There are always at least that number of theological interests in play, Peregrine Bonaventure. Just like there are is an absurdly high percentage of grads who go into the religious life.",
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"text": "Really, do you have a graph? Also, TAC almost comes close to studying the volume of St. Thomas' work as Christendom theology students, not to mention... Ah, congratulations. TAC is wonderful.",
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"text": "Sometimes quality is more important than volume \nI always like seeing the \"trends\" of the thesis titles for each class. You can always tell which topics caused the most after class thought ",
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"text": "I said \"required\" in the status, but I'm not even sure that I need to. \nThere may be theology majors in a precious few non-religious institutions who read as much St. Thomas, but we'd still be up there. As to Aristotle, however - I'd be willing to bet that almost no major anywhere reads as much Aristotle, and as slowly.",
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"text": "Christendom theology students study a greater volume of St. Thomas in the context of a greater range of the Church's Magisterium. So it is both quantity and quality. It is too bad no one at TAC is talking or writing about this yet, when some of its tutors are pushing questionable theories of evolution.",
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"text": "The claim that the \"requirement\" to read Thomas is greater at TAC than any other college, and not even close, is false and ridiculous. Christendom theology students are required to read a greater volume in a context which is more pre-eminent in quality. This false claim is presupposed by an academic bias, and what is the point of studying St. Thomas if you ere in theological speculation because of your academic bias? But congratulations! Every college graduate deserves congratulations!",
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"text": "What do you mean by in context? And I guess I should clarify my \"quality\" was a tease.",
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"text": "http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/a-liberating-education/syllabus\nSyllabus | Thomas Aquinas College\nwww.thomasaquinas.edu\nThe following is a list of works read in whole or in part in the curriculum of T...See More",
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"text": "Those are specified Theology students not all Christendom students, which is the distinction that was being made I do believe.",
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"text": "Well, not when they get out of the nest. One hopes. But that's partly my job online, which is why I am regarded as a LEEBEARELLE.",
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"text": "\"A Link to the Past: An Investigation of the Role of History in the Understanding and Development of Political Science\"\nFavorite one.",
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"text": "What I love most about all the titles is how wide sweeping they are. I mean, just let that one above sink in. HAH. But this is precisely what is needed in the fractured world in which we live, at least at the start. They will never deliver on their promise in these grandiose titles but letting them try without dying the death of a thousand footnotes is good stuff.\nSo long as they then get out and get particular and keep learning and realize they didn't actually solve the problem.",
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"text": "By context we mean studying St. Thomas in the context of the fullness of the deposit of the Faith, and not the other way around. This would be very good to try more of at TAC, to help some of the theological theses to not drift so far into the speculative weeds and weirdness. I repeat that Christendom theology majors are required to read more Thomas and Church theology, so the claim is silly, and only underscores the hubris of TAC.",
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"text": "But what do you mean by in the context of the fullness of the faith? Supplementary readings, commentaries, by priests?",
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"text": "\"Hello-oh-oh-oh: An Examination of the Relationship Between Relaxed Admissions Standards at Small Catholic Colleges and the Desire to Count Hours of Aquinas Read During College and Then Argue About Who Has Read More.\"",
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"text": "All true, and I complain about it all the time, but in the larger picture these places do pretty well at placing their top students. It drops off pretty quickly after that, but I think the complaints you bring up here (which I have shared for years) are a bit unfair when you zoom out.",
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"text": "By fullness of the Faith, we mean the full deposit of divine revelation, as handed down by the Church, not just some of it, and out of context. We mean divine revelation, not just natural revelation, and we mean sacred theology, not just metaphysics. This is the Faith that perfects reason, and this is the only Faith that perfects reason. That you do not really understand this is telling of the kind of education you have been indoctrinated into at TAC.",
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"text": "Well, that was quite a ride. I love it, the righteous ambition, the studious intent, the frequent whimsy of the topics (Ptolemy's equant, really?).",
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"text": "Aaron Gigliotti: the failure to launch business is also a matter of social circles. Those who got out quickly are already out and doing. But it's hard for any real liberal arts grads to crack the nut of the world out there, and for good reason. Basically the top students at these institutions are as good as anywhere, but it drops off quickly after that. \nAnd let's not pretend that those who are quick to launch at other places are always happy ten years down the line, when they often come crashing back to earth.\nBut our circles deserve all the ridicule you give them.",
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"text": "I just like to knock you guys down a peg. I tease because I love.",
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"text": "I love the Pasadena title above. \nSo, what are you doing with all this knowledge you think you have? \"I'm a janitor right now. I feel alienated from the modern world.\"\n$%^#%&",
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"text": "Aaron Gigliotti's: \"Do You Want to Share an Apartment in Pasadena: The Relationship Between Insular Catholic Colleges and the Failure to Launch\" wins the satire prize thus far. More entries requested.",
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"text": "I'll zoom out from your words \"not even close\" until I cannot see them anymore. I will pray for you, my brother in Christ.",
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"text": "It's just a simple statement of fact - the place has no electives, so everyone takes the same courses, and thus they require more St. Thomas and Aristotle than everyone else. But if you want to present evidence by combing through the curriculum that theology majors somewhere else read/study the same amount of text be my guest. It's not a claim of ultimate superiority. Just a cool aspect of TAC.",
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"text": "I wish I could burn all the copies of my thesis, not just the one. I sent out with a very ambitious topic, but produced the most boring paper ever written.",
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"text": "Nasty remarks, even for you, Peregrin Bonaventure.",
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"text": "But the former President of one of the St. Johns Colleges told me that he was envious of TAC grads for the way in which they were far more active in society than SJC grads. True story.",
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"text": "\"hiding your meaning behind latin\" - says \"Peregrine Bonaventure.\"",
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"text": "I've tried to be patient with you several times, Peregrine, but it actually seems pretty ludicrous to me for you to go on about TACers talking themselves up, hiding behind language, exaggerating, and being arrogant. \nHow about this for an example of caring excessively about TAC's reputation: savagely attacking TAC and most everyone associated with it on close to every FB thread I've ever seen you participate in.\nAnd now that I've gone and looked up just what one might mean by \"theo-narcissism\" I see that this use of language to talk about \"at least half of what's taught there\" is a fairly incredible exaggeration.\nI don't think the place is perfect. I think it has some serious difficulties, especially as it loses the leadership of its founders and attempts to continue to grow and sort itself out. Can we just relax and talk somewhat playfully and joyfully about this various and ramshackle attempt that all of us broken human beings (particularly those of us who are united by the Catholic faith, from whatever school) are making to reach our eternal savior?",
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"text": "No shrubberies? Liam: are you the guy who gave the commencement address last year and didn't mention the Church?",
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"text": "See, Liam, at Christendom they teach people to greet the brethren with a holy kiss...I mean, a criterion in hand and the spleen to apply it!",
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"text": "haha. Nope. You're the guy who's misremembering my speech.",
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"text": "Here's a tip, Peregrine. Google \"liam collins commencement thomas aquinas\", then do a page search on his speech for \"devotion to the teaching Church\". We have a winner! Looks like there is a secret conspiracy among the students to care about the Church, because we already know infallibly that the College doesn't.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "That's right, O, great apologist, he forgot to mention the second person of the Blessed Trinity. Where's the Faith?",
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"text": "And let's never forget the importance of including sacred theology in a curriculum.",
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"text": "Is this all part of some East Coast vs West Coast Thomist battle? Better stop before someone gets hurt in a drive-by dissertationing.",
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"text": "Dang, never knew that one had to include every aspect of the Catholic Church in a commencement address to be considered a faithful Catholic. Liam, I don't envy you.",
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"text": "And what about the Catholic Church?",
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"text": "Peregrine is mistaken:\nhttp://www.christendom.edu/academics/reading-list.php\nChristendom College | Undergraduate Reading List\nwww.christendom.edu\nENGL 101: Literature of Western Civilization IThe IliadThe Odyssey Poetics Antig...See More",
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"text": "\"In Old Norse sources, beings described as trolls dwell in isolated rocks, mountains, or caves, live together in small family units, and are rarely helpful to human beings.\"",
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"text": "peruse the reading list, and stand firm by your claim, and the 8 most hated words in the English language",
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"text": "Yes, Liam was the one who gave the commencement address last year, with but one oblique reference to \"teaching\" Church, and n'er a reference to Catholic, lest it offend the backers, and no reference to Christ of his Holy Mother, Mary. Not to mention the curriculum which lacks sacred theology. It's the hubris, fellas. The hubris. The wagon-circling and the un-Godly hubris.",
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"text": "\"let's go through the text line by line\"",
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"text": "At USF, I was once assigned a reading from a volume called,\"Anti-Hegemonic, Post, Post Marxists Essays\". So kiss it, all you Thomist zombies!!!",
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"text": "I heard that at Christendom you can't receive communion unless you swear on a Bible wrapped in the Confederate flag that Abraham Lincoln was an evil man.",
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"text": "I remember now Liam coming up to me cackling before giving his speech: \"Hah, Chris, guess what, I'm going to purposefully not mention the word Catholic, just because I can, and I don't want to offend the backers!\" I then asked who the backers were. He gave me sideways glances before darting up onto the stage. #thingsthatneverhappened",
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"text": "I heard at Christendom, you can't give a commencement speech without using \"magisterium\" 47 times",
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"text": "Straw man. Is TAC even Catholic? You'd never know it by many of the theses or commencement addresses. They can mean different things to different audiences. It's like code language, but it's really cowardly, and the gutting of sacred theology and the fullness of revelation.",
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"text": "Does anyone know where Mr. Bonaventure can find a good grinder for his ax?",
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"text": "\"A Flute Player's Madrigal: On the Cowardly Hiding of Anti-Catholic Teachings Behind the Writing of Aristotle\"",
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"text": "well, I find this all amusing, gentlemen, but I need to log off and work on finding a house to share with other guys who still haven't found a job with their education. I'll try to spend ten or twenty years verifying that they're really Catholic while I'm at it.",
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"text": "Liam: did the Dean of Students edit your address for \"appropriateness\"?",
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"text": "Where are you looking Liam Collins?",
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"text": "Matt: Wichita, KS.",
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"text": "I'm about to start classes at WSU in aerospace engineering.",
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"text": "That brain tho.",
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"text": "I would find it troublesome hiring someone who went to a college whose alum seem to collectively boast that no other place comes close to reading the Thomas that they do. That's just messed up.",
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"text": "Sound about like what a magisterium-less graduate full of hubris would do, Liam Collins",
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"text": "That's usually the top question when hiring at most jobs. \"How did your college read Thomas Aquinas?\"",
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"text": "Most firms have no problem hiring someone who believes that they went to the most Catholic College in America. Catholics are cool. But TACers, in hiring circles, are seen as believing they are the best Aristotelean-Thomists and that this is the best kind of Catholic. This bizarre falsehood is a disservice on many levels. But we live in a free country and you can behave this way if you wish. Don't say I didn't try to tell you.",
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"text": "Overall, strong positive associations emerged among online commenting frequency, trolling enjoyment, and troll identity, pointing to a common construct underlying the measures. Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality...\nhttp://www.sciencedirect.com/.../pii/S0191886914000324\nTrolls just want to have fun\nwww.sciencedirect.com",
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"text": "In the past few years, the science of Internet trollology has made some strides. Last year, for instance, we learned that by hurling insults and inciting discord in online comment sections, so-called Internet trolls (who are frequently anonymous) have a polarizing effect on audiences, leading to politicization, rather than deeper understanding of scientific topics.\nThat\u2019s bad, but it\u2019s nothing compared with what a new psychology paper has to say about the personalities of trolls themselves...\nhttp://www.slate.com/.../internet_troll_personality_study...\nScience Confirms: Internet Trolls Really Are Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic\nwww.slate.com\nIn the past few years, the science of Internet trollology has made some strides....See More",
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"text": "Yes, of course, TACers are pre-eminent. That goes without saying. There, are you happy now?",
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"text": "love the slideshow, btw. thanks for sharing!",
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"text": "oh, ouch. Just glanced through all comments.Backing away slowly ",
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"text": "I would be open to looking at any evidence that some other institution requires their students, even within a major, to study more than TAC does re the two authors in question. Certainly no other institution requires as much study of the two of ALL their students as TAC does. But this isn't really a big deal except for the trolling.\nThis fact is not directly related to eminence, pre- or otherwise, but I do think it is one of the aspects of TAC, as flawed as it is, that is worth noting and praising. It is a wonderful thing in this day and age to put students in direct contact with that much Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas.",
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"text": "Matt, you are free to back up your claim that TAC is generating the best Catholic thinkers and/or simply the best thinkers... But you never seem to able to, despite your amazingly arrogant claims. That's the issue. It's an issue because it bears on Catholic thought. Best regards.",
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"text": "I never claimed that, of course. But I am close to claiming you may suffer from a trolling illness of some kind...",
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"text": "What are you claiming, then, Matt? Are you claiming that no other College in America comes close to reading as much Aristotle and Thomas as students do at TAC, and that this is good for a Catholic college? And that this claim is \"arrogant\"?",
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"text": "Have you sought help for your obsessive fixation with TAC?",
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"text": "I mean, I went there, and I have no idea who gives the commencement, or what is said. Hell, I can't even remember who gave ours. Does it keep you up at night wondering how to \"bring down those arrogant TAC grads\"? Do you get tired of beating the same, sad drum?",
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"text": "And Sex Week will enter this convo in 3, 2, 1...",
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"text": "Yes, it is eminently -- no -- pre-eminently clear, that TAC produces the biggest jerks in all of Christendom... And if anyone reading this thread has a mind for academia, or Catholic thought, and is unfamiliar with this fraudulent little college, do not be misled by the erudite sounding titles of these seniors' theses. 'Tis nothing but misinformed theological speculation run amok. Send your kids to State College, and teach them how to keep the faith. Lest they graduate and go off into the world and are forced to make an existence by pretending they are the smartest human around the dinner table.",
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"text": "I'm not the one making false claims about academic superiority. That's truly pathetic.",
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"text": "Honestly, I think if you just go and read the original post again, you might be enlightened as to claims made or, as in this case, claims not made.",
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"text": "The original post reads: \"No other college in America requires as much Aristotle and Thomas as TAC... And its fruits reveal your ignorance and yes I am arrogant.\" \nIn fact, the college requires virtually no sacred theology, and teaches practically nothing Catholic in the entire freshman year. It does not teach Sacred Theology; it does not teach the Faith. Yet, the Faith is the only perfection of Reason. Hence. What we are left with is what Bethea says above, which is a public manifestation of the flaws of a rational animal not educated in the Faith.",
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"name": "Christopher Sebastian",
"text": "What's your definition of Sacred Theology?? And how can you claim it doesn't teach the Faith?",
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"name": "Christopher Sebastian",
"text": "Actually, I fear I made have fallen for what Matthew was trying to warn regarding...trolling. I immediately regret trying to start a regular conversation.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Peregrine Bonaventure: you have made me defend my alma mater today, which is not something I am in the habit of doing, and for this, I thank you.\nThe status is kinda jokey: \"weep for your ignorance/pray for my arrogance\" had a nice over the top ring to it. This isn't entirely serious stuff. If it was entirely serious, I would have some serious issues. But that should be obvious.\nThe claim, of course, simply stands as true until you put some evidence where your mouth is.",
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"text": "Many people read the senior thesis titles and say things like \"Wow, I wish I was reading and studying this stuff.\" The titles are one of the selling points of TAC. And so is the way in which it puts so much Aristotle and St. Thomas right in front of student faces.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Peregrine, can I call you Scott? I like Scott better. Are you on the spectrum?",
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"name": "Kevin Gallagher",
"text": "Psh whatever you guys are like amateurs at pretentiousness",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well the entire East Coast has us beat.",
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"name": "Kevin Gallagher",
"text": "to the mannerism born",
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"name": "Jeff Stouffer",
"text": "An investigation of unity and complexity...tasty enterprise.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Plus, Scott, I am *not* a rational animal. If you had read your St. Thomas you would know that I'm an \"intellectual substance, conjoined to matter\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "(and it's not \"Bethea\" it's Beitia. I know you do it on purpose. Are you sure you're not on the spectrum?)",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Pater Edmund, welcome to the REAL best FB thread ever.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "<munches popcorn>",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, I hope you do not truly believe that you have defended your college, especially when you begin up top with such a typically offensive remark. You have not defended your college. But you have helped shed light on it. TAC was founded by a group of extremely arrogant academics, who were reacting to a socio-sacred phenomenon which occured in the 1960s and 70s; and in their arrogrance, they over-reacted. The proposal of TAC, as a result, has no basis in reality today. Due to this hubris reactionism, TAC alum have had little impact on the lifestream of conservative social thought in America, because it is reactionary and defensive. TAC is simply unable to defend its claim that it offers the world a truly Catholic liberal education, because no such thing exists, as the College proposes. This is an issue, because of TAC's claim to have an association with Catholicism.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c\nPlay Video\nYeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.",
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"name": "Matthew Reiser",
"text": "My lord what a huge class. (A comment that really only makes serious sense to members of the tribe.)",
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"name": "Jacob Alexander",
"text": "My goodness what an attractive class.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "*Old TAC'er interjects* ... \"In MY day ...\"",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "I love the habit of publishing the senior theses' titles. Congrats to the class of '14. \nFunny thing: My title was *ahem* edited for the newsletter.",
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"name": "Bekah Sims",
"text": "Andrews Duda......don't leave a gal hanging.....do share.",
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"name": "Matthew Starr",
"text": "Beckwith Three words: Wyoming Catholic College",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "can anyone tell me the percentage of TAC alumni that enter the religious life? Must be pretty low since it entirely neglects the faith. Does anyone also know the number of conversions that take place during the student's time at TAC?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "^satire?",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "@Peregrine-- you can think what you want about TAC, and we all know the place isn't perfect. It's nothing but amusing, though, to hear Dr MacArthur and Mr Berquist described as \"extremely arrogant\"! Though I am, of course, being a TAC grad myself, so arrogant I can't see how arrogant all the other alum are.",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "We may be totally non-Catholic, but at least we can recognize satire when we see it!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I really like it how all the people who hold up Christendom as superior to TAC on these Facebook threads have about as much tact as Attila the Hun.",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "Who's Attila the Hun? I went to TAC so I have zero knowledge of history ",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'm not quite sure, I've seen him mentioned in P.G. Wodehouse's stories. Perhaps he's some fictional bad guy like Darth Vader.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Blah-blah-blah... It's funny how the Founding Fathers of America realized the importance of the citizenry being able to live under a Constitution that could be Amended. They realized their human weakness; but the founders of a College set their charter in stone because they presumed themselves to be perfect. Needless to say, the graduates of TAC are doing an excellent job of cementing its reputation of being a hot bed of arrogant jerks who argue like women, and women who argue like men.",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "What I just don't understand is the point of that whole last sentence.",
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"name": "Bekah Sims",
"text": "Andrews You say \"argue like a woman\" as if it were a bad thing.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Pretty sure I've never heard the founders say that they thought what they had done was perfect. In fact I had heard some regrets and changes and disappointments. Were they proud with what they had done, yes! Does that mean they thought it was the perfect and the climax of all life, no!",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "You're not doing your Alma Mater's reputation any favors yourself....",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Being a TACer, I learned the important things, like how to spell \"Wodehouse\", which alcoholic beverages to drink, how to get back into the dorms after curfew.",
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"name": "Liam Collins",
"text": "look, I'm willing to grant that McArthur, Berquist, and Neumayr were incredibly brazen. I'm not sure that TAC did deliver to me on all, or even a lot of what I took it to be promising. And I think it is possible there to come away confused about what is Catholicism and what is pagan philosophy, and where the two meet.\nBut it was and is a wonderful place, full of kind, prayerful people, who love Jesus Christ. I learned valuable things there, struggled with real questions there, and I am grateful to the founders and to everyone else who has made it to be. \nAnd I just can't see any reason for all of us, who do share the Mass, the Sacraments, allegiance to Rome, belief that Christ was God and that his teachings, as contained in both Scripture and tradition, will guide us to heaven, to be anything but friends.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "How to get back into dorms after curfew: LIFE SKILLZ.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Soul face",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "I thank you for these threads...much too long and pointless to get involved now, at least gives a glimpse of people with whom I will not be interacting with in the future And I get consolation from FB, \"We're sorry that you've had this experience.\" So am I.\nTAC is not perfect, of course not. Nor is it for everyone. Nor is it the best way for each individual to be educated. But it is the best school for many of us. And it certainly is not inferior to any in its \"Catholicity\". The insinuation that somehow it is anti-theology, or weak on the faith is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard levelled against it.\nI originally wrote more, but why? I don't see a productive discussion here.",
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"name": "Benjamin Block",
"text": "So...just speaking as a non-TAC grad here, I want to say that I think TAC is a fantastic institution, which has produced some really wonderful people (for the record, I'd say the same for WCC or for Christendom). Yes, in some rare instances, I have met TACers who are not so nice, but in those cases, I would blame their own personal choices rather than their teachers or the institution--just as I sincerely hope that nobody thinks ill of my own alma maters simply because of my own personal defects. Ignore the trolls, and keep up the good work, in humility and charity...",
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"name": "Claire Keeler",
"text": "I remember jake gutierrez's thesis was called \"Do Angels Move the Planets\" but when they posted the defense schedule, it said \"angles\" instead of \"angels\". It was a head-scratcher either way....",
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"name": "Claire Keeler",
"text": "Am I the only one who reads these every year and thinks that a good number of them are just a little over the top? I mean, God bless TAC and all who dwell there, but come on! It is hard to read a lot of these with a straight face. I still think TAC is the best college ever, but the thesis titles are so often... silly. (Bracing for backlash)",
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"name": "Claire Keeler",
"text": "Whoa.... starting to read the comments now.....",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Part of the fun was making silly titles ",
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"name": "Claire Keeler",
"text": "I'm kind of regretting being so critical of TAC thesis titles after reading all these comments. I feel like I've just been through a war and I just want some peace. So I'll amend my statement above to say that I understand why TAC thesis titles can sound so convoluted- it's weighty and abstract stuff we wrestle with there. Most other institutions deal with much more concrete subject matter and it's easier to come up with names for papers you write there. So, no offense meant to the class of 2014 or any other grads.",
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"text": "Lauren, I had the hardest time coming up with a title I liked, but I didn't spend too much time on that problem because my thesis itself was very unsatisfactory so who gives a crap about he title? I think I ended up with \"In Virtue of What do We Call Love of God 'Love'?\" I still wince thinking about how badly I botched that topic.",
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"text": "\"Most other institutions deal with much more concrete subject matter\" Ludicrous titles for papers are a plague of all academia, Claire.",
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"text": "I'm just thinking about my sister's recent microbiology PhD dissertation at Carnegie Mellon. There was nothing whimsical or wistful or lilting or far-reaching or punny in her title. I'm not even sure it was technically English, but it sounded quite sciency and straightforward.",
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"name": "Joe Zepeda",
"text": "Oh, right. Take a gander at some humanities dissertation titles (or rather, don't, just take my word for it that they are either straightforwardly pedantic and jargony in a silly way, or just plain silly).",
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"name": "Michael Grumbine",
"text": "Mr. Bonaventure - while I retain some small admiration for your sheer stubbornness in the cry of 'hubris', your comments have now plunged clearly into bare insult, and do your position no credit. \nI realize that this is the internet and all that, but I would wager that your Christian vocabulary + trollish behavior on this thread tend to engender a strong sense of disgust in the average reader. \nAt the very least, when you throw out phrases like, \"I will pray for you, my brother in Christ\"... well, let's just rip a line here, and say that I do not think it means what you think it means.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "I just popped back in after spending a few hours on the planet Earth. What a comment thread! If anyone considering attending TAC or Christendom stumbles across this post, I'm pretty sure Steubenville can expect an application. You guys are nuts!",
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"text": "that actually is how steubenville gets all its applicants",
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"name": "Joe Zepeda",
"text": "\"I thought Steubenville was the only one of these three where people started speaking in tongues...now I'm confused.\"",
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"name": "Patrick Laurence",
"text": "Man, if you've drawn Michael Grumbine out of the woodwork, you *know* you have stepped over the line.",
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"name": "Timothy Halpin",
"text": "Wow! I'm glad I didn't go to college.",
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"name": "John Kunz",
"text": "Katie - mine was quite edited as well!",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "Reading this thread was the most fun I've had in a long time.",
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"name": "Monica Murphy",
"text": "Just finished teaching my first day of classes this year. This comment thread was perfect Friday fodder for a gin and tonic! Thanks, everyone - with a special shout out to Peregrine and Matthew! . . . still chuckling . . .",
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"text": "Today being the Solemnity of the Assumption and all, I give thanks to God for my Blessed Mother, who gave me divine life, but also for my earthly mother who gave me natural life, and for TAC, my mother in the in the life of the mind. Perhaps I shall write a treatise in the spirit of St Louis de Monfort on \"True Devotion to TAC.\" So for example I might say: \n\u00abThese great souls filled with grace and zeal will be oppose the enemies of God who are raging on all sides. They will be exceptionally devoted to the TAC, and illumined by her light... With one hand they will give battle, overthrowing and crushing Platonists, Newtonians, Molinists, and Thomists of a more lax observance... With the other hand they will build a stronghold of true philosophy, namely TAC.... By word and example they will draw all men to a true devotion to her and though this will make many enemies... This seems to have been foretold by Psalm 58: \"The Lord will reign in Jacob and all the ends of the earth. They will be converted towards evening and they will be as hungry as dogs and they will go around the city to find something to eat.\" This city around which men will roam at the end of the world seeking true Aristotelianism and the appeasement of the hunger they have for Thomism of the strict observance is Thomas Aquinas College, which is called \"The City of Thomists\"\u00bb\nExcept of course I would never actually say anything like that.",
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"text": "The guys who started TAC were extreme intransigents on a wide range of false opinion, from the question of unalienable rights to the relationship between Faith and reason, to the relationship between St. Thomas and the Church, to the human person, to the nature of the human will and the imagination, and so much more. TAC is a backwater. An idolatry. Because of its arrogance, which it holds as a virtue, and because of its incomplete presentation of the Faith, it leads to a truncated exercise of reason, and its students are often grossly offensive. \nI thank Holy Mother the Church and Her Sacraments for my spiritual and academic formation.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Peregrine stood by himself and prayed: \u2018God, I thank you that I am not like other people\u2014robbers, evildoers, adulterers\u2014or even like this TAC grad.' #magesterium #humblerthanthou",
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"text": "Does anyone have a recording of the mid-day report in which Dirk Kennedy or Michael D Byrne or someone called up the Christendom admissions office?",
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"text": "I think Holy Mother the Church might not want your thanks for your \"academic\" formation.",
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"text": "I still don't get this incomplete presentation of the faith thing. Church fathers, doctors, scripture, Mass 4x a day, confession before and after each mass, daily Eucharist Adoration, 2 League of Mary Praesedium, evening consecrations, daily Rosary, a Jesuit and. Dominican on campus at the same time! Again not to mention the religious that have come out of TAC (percentage wise and just even respected around the globe wise). And all those things are the daily/weekly organized Faith formation opportunities.",
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"text": "^stop trying to be reasonable. It just shows your arrogance^",
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"text": "Bethea, you do not have the authority to make such \"judgements\" -- which only underscore the ill-formation of your alma mater, as do your arrogant remarks which are not arguments. On the issue of Faith, TAC does not instruct Sacred Theology in its fullness, but under a guise not only that it does, but does so in a pre-eminent manner. Many Catholic institutions participate in Mass, but without such false claims. I hope you can see how this answers your question.",
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"text": "I can't believe this is still going on... just commenting so I can get updates...",
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"text": "This is still going on because TAC is unable to defend the \"principles\" on which it was founded.",
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"text": "What does it mean to instruct Sacred Theology in it's fullness?",
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"name": "Bekah Sims",
"text": "Andrews you do not have the authority to make such \"judgements\"..........your arrogant remarks which are not arguments.\n**********************************************************************\nSelf awareness is your friend.",
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"text": "Instructing Sacred Theology in its fullness means to instruct Sacred Theology in the context of the fullness of divinely revealed truths, and not just a partial set thereof, and not principally natural theology under the guise that this is the fullness of Sacred Theology or the pedagogical basis of what and how the Church teaches.\nBekah, I am not the one making the false, misleading and arrogant claims that TAC and its apologists are making, so your comment is on the level of kindergarten argumentation.",
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"text": "So practically speaking what does that look like? Not A partial set, so does that mean all of the divine revelations of Christ through the ages?",
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"text": "Let me preface this by saying that I think Christendom is a good school and if I had children I would by no means argue them out of attending there if they wanted to go. (you guys have a much better library, too) But if we are discussing mistaken founding principles, how do you defend the Christendom administration's open discouragement of non-Christian and Protestant applicants? I am curious because that policy seems to me to be mistaken in the extreme.",
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"text": "Faith perfecting reason...aside from being disillusioned to think that that was always the emphasis I also thought that's what made us not go crazy and all become depressed sophomore year with Augustine and Predestination! (Well that and the exercise of Faith through the Sacraments etc)",
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"text": "I am also curious as to whether \"teaching Sacred Theology in its fullness\" as you have described it something which is, er, actually possible. I think TAC's emphasis on natural philosophy is just that--an emphasis, which has its own merits. It prepares TACers better than some other schools to engage with others on certain issues, and it provides a good foundation for further study in theology. The Christendom emphasis on Church history also has its own benefits and prepares them better than TACers to engage with others on mistaken notions they might jave on Church history.",
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"text": "It means presenting the relationship between Faith and reason in proper manner and context, so that sacred or divine revelation and Faith, in our academic formation as Catholics, is the perfection of reason; not the other way around. Faith is the perfection of reason. The science of Faith is sacred theology. The content of sacred theology is revelation, in the deposit of the Faith... in what the Church teaches, in its dogma and in Scripture. So this is the shape of Catholic education. Faith perfecting reason. TAC does not go this way. It does the opposite. Maybe not in the sacramental life of the students, but certainly in the curriculum. It lays out a basis of natural theology, which is a rational metaphysics, as the perfection of Faith.\nAnd I was not aware of this kind of discrimination at Christendom College. I know Protestant and Evangelical Christians who have gone there.",
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"text": "*have",
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"text": "Nina, the Church has been teaching all things relating to Faith and Reason in this way for centuries. Then, in the 1960s and 1970s, a few guys got together and over-reacted to some bad things that were going on in the world, and this was the birth of TAC, where they presume that supernatural Faith can be perfected by reason and natural theology.",
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"text": "I am very glad to hear that, when I went to my admissions interview in 2006 I was informed that they were only looking for Catholic applicants.",
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"text": "I do not disbelieve you, and I am sorry to hear that. Perhaps you were being interviewed by a bad apple?",
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"text": "The conversation did seem a little strange to me... it was the last straw in my decision not to even apply, despite the very tempting library.",
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"name": "Dominique Martin",
"text": "\"Peregrine\", do you realize that you are like someone giving a book review of a book they didn't read? And that someone who has read the book can tell you didn't read it? That's what these threads with you are always like.",
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"text": "Yes, that is a tempting library.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "again with the \"Bethea\". who the hell is that person? see, I use my REAL name, so I would appreciate the consideration to SPELL it correctly",
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"text": "Dominique, no I did not realize that, but thank you for pointing that out. The thing is, I did read the book, and I have seen the movie. And this is not a book or a movie. TAC inverts the relationship between Faith and Reason and produces the opposite of intellectual humility.",
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"text": "I don't think \"Reason perfecting Faith\" is the correct way to view the TAC venture, but rather \"Reason illuminating and supporting Faith.\"",
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"text": "shhhh, you'll let him in on our gnosis",
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"text": "Well, Nina, that is a subtle nuance, but the thing is, Faith perfects reason. Reason does not illuminate the Faith or support the Faith. Faith is reasonable, and Faith perfects reason.\nAnd I always thought Bethea was illuminati. TAC gives that impression.",
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"text": "Scott, will you just spell it right?",
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"text": "I invite you to take a good look at past years of TAC thesis titles besides this, and you will see that there are a number of students who have written on this exact topic. I can think of at least one in my own class (2010) and I am sure there have been others.",
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"name": "Christopher Sebastian",
"text": "Isn't all of Scripture divine revelation? It's such a shame that TAC never has you read the Bib...oh wait, all of Freshman theology.",
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"text": "without the magisterium however. (I beat Scott to the punch)",
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"text": "Nina, the problem is the TAC curriculum; it is not the value of the theses written. If a curriculum is not set up formally so that Faith perfects reason, then what is the quality of reason that \"illumines\" the Faith?",
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"text": "Peregrine, after reading your comments here, I have six friends who have decided to convert to Catholicism and immediately apply to Christendom. You are a wonderful ambassador for the faith. Now, kindly step away from the keyboard and answer your door. Do whatever the nice men in the white jackets tell you.",
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"text": "Really? I thought you only read the first couple chapters? If you read he whole book you will have a legitimate basis for a review. You don't have to like the book after reading the whole thing, but at least you'd know what you're talking about.",
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"text": "Let's not do the TAC vs. Cdom thing!! They can both stand on their own merits.",
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"text": "I am thinking primarily of Newman's Development of Christian Doctrine when I speak of reason \"illuminating\"-- that is, we can say there has been a development of doctrine and further understanding of the Faith without saying that the Faith has altered or changed. In the same way, TAC's emphasis on natural theology does not mean that the supernatural effects of grace have been somehow negated or argued against. did that make sense as an analogy? I am not sure I am saying it quite right...",
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"text": "don't bother. this drum-beating is two years old.",
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"text": "Christopher, Scripture is only part of revelation. Again, it is context. \nAaron, you demonstrate quite well that TAC is unable to defend the \"principles\" on which its curriculum was founded.\nDominique, again you are not addressing the central issue here, which is that TAC was founded by over-reactionaries who established a curriculum which does not place Faith and Reason in proper context, and this has resulted in a character of hubris reasoning in its students, instead of students informed by Faith which has perfected their reason.\nIt is clear that TAC is unable to address this central issue, and I rest my case.",
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"text": "endless repetition isn't \"resting\" Scott",
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"text": "Yeah, I didn't go to TAC, smart guy.",
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"text": "it's more of a Nietzschean \"eternal return of the same\"",
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"text": "Bethea, resting is resting. TAC is unable to account for itself, because it's curriculum is ill-founded, on this central issue of the relationship between Faith and Reason.",
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"text": "Off to do an errand, have fun kids...",
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"text": "If I were one of those fundamentalists who hates the Catholic Church and believes the Pope is the Antichrist, and someone told me to design a bot that would pose as a Catholic in order to discredit the Church, I would design something very similar to Peregrine Bonaventure.",
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"text": "Oh Nina! You just added another reading that I had forgotten about!! (Must be because it got lost in seminar!) Does it count that I had a Dominican priest co-lead my already awesome senior Theology classes on the Sacraments? Does that make the context better?",
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"text": "I'm sorry you guys aren't able to mount a credible defense of the curriculum.",
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"text": "I'm sorry you can't spell. Or be coherent.",
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"text": "Trolls aside, through the unsurpassed curriculum and excellents tutors at TAC, our daughter (in the 2014 list) was able to explore the relationship between science & theology in a more profound way than I saw in many years of grad school in theology at a major Catholic university. I don't know of any other place that builds that cultivated freedom of thought into its program. Certainly not at the other schools mentioned here, despite their other merits.",
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"text": "Wow...ouch...a lot of these comments are real encouraging to someone who's going back to TAC in a week to start Junior year... ",
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"text": "Really, Mr. Bethea?\nI think the concern is very, very coherent. 1) the curriculum at TAC does not give pre-eminence of place to the fullness of faith and sacred theology, but gives this place to natural theology; 2) this leads to intellectual hubris, and an imperfection of reason, (as is demonstrated by many of your comments).",
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"text": "there is a time for argument, and a time for the club. the time for argument has long passed",
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"text": "That's a dodge, Bethea. TAC has never answered this concern, because the concern is well-founded, and TAC is off-base.",
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"text": "\"By its own essential character, theology completes and perfects the intellectual life of a free man, for it has in a pre-eminent way that which is desired in all of them. Liberal education undertaken by Christians and ordered to theology turns out to be liberal education in its fullness.\"\n--Founding Document of Thomas Aquinas College",
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"text": "^as translated from hieroglyphics^",
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"text": "Mr. Adrw Lng, the passage you cite is lip service. The use the word \"theology\" in the passage you cite effectively translates into \"natural theology\" in the TAC curriculum. Moreover, at no point in its curriculum, does TAC actually teach its students what Catholic theology really means or is, hence it does it accurately teach what the relationship between faith and reason is. This is manifestly obvious.\nBethea, you are a thug.",
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"text": "4-0-0 S C T A C (you'll have to imagine the gang signs) Matthew J. Peterson can demonstrate",
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"text": "(he says to the thread hijacking rattling drum)",
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"text": "So, TAC is not able to address the concern in its curriculum. It hides its head in the sand. The concern is that it misrepresents Catholic theology, which undercuts the principle of Faith perfecting reason, and supports intellectual hubris.\nWitness Beithea.",
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"text": "Closer. don't you have some health and human servicing to do?",
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"text": "like most of the rest of this, just because you say it, doesn't make it true",
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"text": "What makes it true is a reference to clubbing as opposed to simply addressing a valid concern.\nAgain, the concern is that the TAC curriculum does not portray Sacred Theology correctly, but replaces it with natural theology.",
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"text": "OK, this is really a joke.",
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"text": "It is. Glad you caught on.",
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"text": "FIN?\nSee Translation",
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"text": "Don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll troll troll.",
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"text": "Oh my.",
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"name": "Joe Zepeda",
"text": "\"No longer receive notifications about Matthew J. Peterson's link\" - check!",
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"text": "\" it's more of a Nietzschean \"eternal return of the same\"\nOr Heraclitus, \"The dog returns to it's own vomit\"",
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"name": "Michael Grumbine",
"text": "Your inference, as usual, is so right, Patrick - I should've stayed in the shadows despite the marginally clever troll. \n'Marginally' conceded only because I'm now weighing the amusing possibility that dear Scotty truly is blind to his own nature on this thread.\nMy bad. Well really, it's Peterson's bad, but who can blame him? The lack of a properly enlightened background in authentic Sacred Theology has clearly had a strange, softening effect on his mind.",
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"name": "Anne Marie",
"text": "\"But we Catholics must pray with each other and other Christians. Pray that the Lord gift us unity! Unity among ourselves! How will we ever have unity among Christians if we are not capable of having it among us Catholics, in the family, how many families fight and split up? Seek unity, unity builds the Church and comes from Jesus Christ. He sends us the Holy Spirit to build unity!\" Pope Francis.",
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"name": "Anne Marie",
"text": "Peace, friends. Let's not let a little online squabble divide us. Our lady of the Assumption, queen of peace, love and humility, pray for us!",
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"text": "Erik Bootsma's photo.",
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"text": "I don't think I've ever seen this many TACers agree on anything. \nIt's kind of like how humanity always unites in those movies where the aliens invade.",
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"text": "I flash that every time I go to the in law's house. Three at Christendom now.",
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"text": "you know a conversation about the philosophical particularities of the founders (often unspoken at TAC- you had to poke around to find out sometimes, or just pay extremely close attention), and possible tendencies to intransigence regarding those, would really be worth having, but untrolled",
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"text": "a conversation about the ratio studiorum of the program, and the role of sacred theology therein, would also be worth having (again, only if untroubled)",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "http://warrencountyreport.com/.../south_river_and_the... Is trolling a habit, a knack, an art, or a skill?\nWarren County Report: South River and the Hatch Act\nwarrencountyreport.com\n\u00ab Enchanted Dragon Mirror Maze a roaring good time | Main | \u2018Oh, people will come, people will most definitely come\u2019 \u00bb",
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"text": "I agree, the sky-diving Aristotle thesis sounds great! \"Boady, this is your F#@%ing wake up call, man. I am a PHILOSOPHER!\"",
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"text": "For everyone's next tattoo.\nJohn Kunz's photo.",
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"text": "Despite JA Escalante's scoffing above (as in way above), some TAC theses have been really good, more than fulfilling the promise of their titles. I would like to edit a volume of some of the best. Can everyone nominate some of their favorites? I'll go first (not using the titles, which I can't remember):\nPeter Kay on Shakespeare's political thought,\nJoseph Bolin on Vocation,\nRachel Berquist on the Filioque,\nAnother Berquist girl on the politics of medieval Spain,\nJoe Zepeda on the Song of Songs,\nHenry Zepeda on Cartesian Geometry,\nJoe Kenny on \"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?\"\nCatherine Joliat Feil on Aristotle's Politics,\nCatherine Ryland on hospitality,\nDavid Isaac on music,\nand (without false modesty) Pater Edmund on monarchy... lots more that I'll add when I think of them...",
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"text": "Closing time...",
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"text": "Pater Edmund: Jeff Froula on the certainty of hope, and Katie Duda on Dante's Paradiso as an icon. I imagine your father's was pretty good! What did he write on?",
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"text": "Michael D. Byrne's authoritative treatise on Hegel, and let's have a moment of silence for the thesis-that-never-was, Joe Cheney's rejected thesis, De Urinatione.",
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"text": "Joe, my father wrote on Balthasar's aesthetics, but I'm afraid I haven't read his thesis. My mother tells me that it was \"too long.\"",
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"text": "Nathan Ciarleglio's \"the idea of limit in the Histories of Herodotus\"",
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"text": "Unrelated fact about my father: his high-school senior Matura thing was \"The poetry of H\u00f6lderlin, Rilke and Trakl in the literary criticism of Hans Urs von Balthasar and Romano Guardini.\"",
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"text": "Can we still get old theses from TAC? Has anyone done that lately?",
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"text": "Email Mark Kretchmer",
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"name": "Angela Lessard",
"text": "Let's keep going, we can't quit before getting to a nice perfect number 300, can we?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I accidentally liked a dozen comments signed in as my husband. Friend me, Peterson! I was dangerously close to missing this thread entirely.",
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"text": "Nerdfest!! Ha.",
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"text": "Yes, I forgot about Elizabeth Quack's thesis - really excellent.",
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"text": "I just can't resist....",
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"text": "Being the 300th comment! Oh ya!",
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"text": "Why do I love reading these titles every year?",
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"text": "Joe, do you get these sent to you, or did you have a personal connection to these?",
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"text": "I had a personal connection to all except Miss Quackenbush's, which her esteemed father linked on facebook.",
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"text": "And here it is: https://docs.google.com/.../0BxhNFgNx8xzUUHJlazdC.../edit...\nBrideshead Thesis.pdf - Google Drive\ndocs.google.com",
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"text": "Also, on the subject of Brideshead. and in no way diminishing Elizabeth Quackenbush's thesis for which she is so rightly praised, there is also Pat Dolan's wonderful exploration of the motif of the pastoral poetry tradition in Brideshead. I have a paper copy and I reread it when I want to be reminded that my class is really smart and stuff. ",
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"text": "Tom Short on torture (the first draft, not the final version after Mr. Goyette persuaded him to water down the main argument).",
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"text": "I may be speaking to soon, but I think the troll is gone. I have encountered this one before (though I think under a different name). Joe Zepeda is spot on. Do not feed him. There is no possible dialogue, no possible point of discussion.",
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"text": "Blackwell Joe , do you have a copy of yours online? I read some of it and was frankly blown away. But then, you've long demonstrated an uncanny ability for shedding new light on old ideas starting with your observation-at the age of 4- that one can't be and not be a rotten egg at the same time.",
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"text": "Looking up from reading this thread all the way to the end was, for a moment, like staring at an alien world. I don't remember the last time I was this disoriented. Madness. \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFCM6TZgTMI\nPlay Video\nIts a MADHOUSE! (Planet of the Apes, 1968) - Edited\nPretty much sums it up, doesn't it?",
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"text": "Kevin Kasson wrote a pretty cool one. And I personally learned a lot from Margaret Ryland's. Michael Masteller's was huge as well.",
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"text": "and mine was, well, at least controversial enough to draw over 80 people to my defense, according to a few people who tried to count.",
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"text": "haha. My defense was a bit of a letdown as well. But I reread the thesis for the first time a few months ago, and I still agree with it pretty strongly at least.",
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"text": "What was the thesis of your thesis, Liam? Also, I've heard the tutors were quite impressed with Louise Milton's thesis on Goethe's Faust.",
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"text": "Ok wait - when did the love fest happen? Is the bickering done???\nSurprised no one has brought up Tim Furlan's dissertation... In our time, that was the event of all events... I had over standing room only at mine, but his filled most of the hallway in the entire classroom building... And it was amazing.",
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"text": "Also, Philip D. Knuffke's thesis on imagination as the cause of error and David Freer's thesis on predestination were quite good.",
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"text": "Mary Colette Masteller's on Anna Karenina",
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"text": "I haven't enjoyed a thread this much in a very, very long time. Thank you all. And I have to say, I think the current prez of Cdom (whom I'm fortunate to refer to, viz a viz my marriage, as \"Uncle Tim\") would be mortified to find that our friendly neighborhood troll associates so closely with that otherwise fine institution.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, here's the precis:\nChrist says: \u201cmy Father is at work until now, so I am at work.\u201d\nThis thesis is fundamentally an endeavor to be fully open to God's ongoing work in the world, a work which occurs above all in and through the human race.\nIt is revealed to the Christian and seen with increasing clarity by the scientist that the world around us is not unchanging and eternal, but fundamentally historical. Historical development occurs in many ways, including a development of the cosmos's awareness of itself in man. This development is intelligible to the Christian in it's guidance by, and orientation towards, God. The Christian knows that the created universe is a sign of God, and that God is at work in the perfection of this sign.\nThese insights, among other things, enable one to fully embrace the pressingly apparent fact that science has progressed in deeply meaningful ways in the course of its history, most noticeably in the phenomenal insights had by empirical science in the last several hundred years. These developments are not simply the inconsequential details following from eternal, divine principles; they are wonderful insights into the makings of a universe in which God continues to be intimately present, and for the sake of which the general laws of science exist.",
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"text": "I'm always slightly confused when people talk about the world around us being fundamentally historical. Is that to say you cannot understand the kinds of things you find in it without studying its history? Or is it to say that the easiest access we have to those things is through history, or is it merely a claim about understanding human society.",
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"text": "Aletheia Herreid N\u00e9e Price wrote one on Beauty and Art that was amazing.",
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"text": "Edward , are you trying to start another discussion within this crazy place? This is when an administrator of a discussion forum would start a new thread. Then again... We probably would have all be kicked off the site by now too!",
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"text": "haha, yeah, I do get the feeling that Edward probably has a response to any of the three options which he just proposed.",
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"text": "which I would be happy to hear, but I'm going to pick my poison after dashing off to dinner right now...",
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"text": "Actually, I think I'm alright with the last of the three Lauren, shh, I've been working hard to adopt a new, more attentive, image.\nEDIT: perhaps this conversation should end here, we have exactly 333 comments ...",
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"text": "A good Catholic college provides students with a curriculum that helps them develop a theological habit of spirit. A theological habit of spirit supports the reasonability of devotion. This habit always begins with intellectual assent to sacred truths, revealed, which cannot be known with reason. The theological habit of spirit seeks understanding. It does not begin with natural truths or proofs and, if it is excluded, undercuts the role of Faith to perfect reason. It also undercut theological speculation.",
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"text": "\"Dr. Ronald McArthur, the first president of Thomas Aquinas College in California passed away on the morning of October 17, 2013. Like Christendom\u2019s founder, Dr. Warren Carroll, McArthur was a pioneer in the renewal of faithful Catholic higher education in America. McArthur was awarded Christendom College\u2019s Pro Deo et Patria Medal for Distinguished Service to Church and Nation in 2007 during Christendom\u2019s 30th Anniversary Convocation.\n'He was a great friend of Christendom College and supporter of the work we are doing here,' Christendom College president Dr. Timothy O\u2019Donnell said. 'He has gone on to his eternal reward and we ask that you please pray for the repose of his soul and for the comfort of his family. He was a dear friend and will be missed.'\nEternal rest grant unto Dr. Ronald McArthur, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.\"\nhttp://www.christendom.edu/news/2013/10-17-mcarthur.php\nCollege Mourns the Loss of Dr. Ronald McArthur\nwww.christendom.edu\n\u201cHe was a great friend of Christendom College and supporter of the work we are d...See More",
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"text": "Much of history and science and the universe is outside the scope of revelation. Dr. Warren Carroll leaned on the term \"salvation history\" heavily to help show how God works in time and space. So, he adhered strictly to this idea of a theological habit of mind. This habit begins with intellectual assent to revealed truths. Without this habit, the Catholic student may fall prey to wide ranging speculation which effectively imposes imaginary specifications onto the Faith.",
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"text": "Speaking of Dr. McArthur, I recently lost all my prayer cards that were in a missal... Does anyone that had him for senior theology have time to type up the prayer of St Thomas Aquinas that the saint would say after consecration? I know McArthur handed them out to all his theology students. (Oh Godhead hid, devoutly I adore thee, who truly art within these forms before me, to thee my heart I bow with bended knee... Etc)",
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"text": "It's telling that TAC is unable to admit that theology proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths, not from reason, Aristotle or Euclid or valid syllogism. That must be because you want to be seen as the smartest people on the planet. Sounds a little insecure to me,",
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"text": "Have you even read question one of the prima pars? If you did, you wouldn't make such a completely idiotic statement.",
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"text": "Because TAC generally promotes Aquinas's understanding of the relation between fatih and reason.",
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"text": "Sweet honey on the rock! The Peregrine troll again?\nWill this thread never end?",
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"text": "Edward Langley Ignore Pilgrim Goodeffort.",
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"text": "Let's change the subject.\nIs it true that the goat-stag tastes like chicken?",
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"text": "Speaking of goats, what is this? Is it goat, or is it barrel?\nJohn Herreid's photo.",
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"text": "If you understood Catholic theology, Edward Langley, and the Faith, you would understand that the first part of the Summa is not the source or set of the principle data of sacred theology. TAC clearly produces arrogant goats, who would rather dodge real issues with obfuscations and false attacks, instead of addressing the fundamental flaw of its curriculum, which results in a kind of blunted and arrogant reason that is incompatible with genuine Faith.",
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"text": "John Herreid That's a very good question! I think it's an allegory on modernism. A satire on the confusion of discrete with continuous quantity.",
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"text": "Come on, Scott, you know that's not what he said. He was pointing out that your characterization of TAC is straightforwardly wrong. The first part of the Summa is very clear that theology \"proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths, not reason\" - and TAC takes St. Thomas to be right about that. Therefore your characterization is wrong. That's all there was to it. [Notice the absence of any premise asserting that the Summa is the \"source or principal set of data of sacred theology\".] I probably should follow my own advice and not respond at all ... oh well.",
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"text": "Joe Zepeda Matthew J. Peterson If Aristotle and Batman got in a fight, who would win?",
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"text": "I'm starting to wonder what life would be like without this thread",
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"text": "This thread should go on forever! Seriously!\nLet's see how long we can make it.",
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"text": "If TAC assents to the sacred truth from which sacred theology and the Catholic Faith stems, then why does TAC not include all of it, but only includes some of it. St. Thomas frowns upon that sort of thing. Perhaps it's because TAC wants to think it can reason more impressively about complex things. But reason illuminating Faith is not a maxim of the Faith.\nAnd who is this Scott fellow you keep refering to? \nI am The Peregrine.",
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"text": "Jason, that's a silly question. The real question would be if Aristotle and Batman got in a friendship based upon mutual concern for the polis, would it be a true friendship? (Second question: would Aristotle find Batman's relationship with Robin a little weird?)\nI am The Walrus.",
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"text": "I'm Batman.\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0F1fEQeWF8\nPlay Video\nThe Ultimate \"I'm Batman!\" Compilation\nPART 2 IS HERE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUXvMymZC7A&feature=youtu.be Just...See More",
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"text": "This whole \"all\" of Sacred Theology seems like it would take longer than the life of the earth to accomplish.",
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"text": "Reading \"the most Aristotle and St. Thomas\" is not the measure of the most excellent Catholic thinker, student or theologian. Get it?",
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"text": "\"You must begin a reading program immediately so that you may understand the crises of our age. Begin with the late Romans, including Boethius, of course. Then you should dip rather extensively into early Medieval. You may skip the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. That is mostly dangerous propaganda. Now that I think of it, you had better skip the Romantics and the Victorians, too. For the contemporary period, you should study some selected comic books. I recommend Batman especially, for he tends to transcend the abysmal society in which he's found himself. His morality is rather rigid, also. I rather respect Batman.\u201d \n\u2014Ignatius J. Reilly, Confederacy of Dunces",
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"text": "See, you can't address the issue, but only resort to idiocy. You're in denial.",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKlmc8HpkI4\nPlay Video\nJOAN BAEZ ~ I Dreamed I Saw St Augustine ~\nJoan Baez ~ I DREAMED I SAW SAINT AUGUSTINE ~ The significance of this song is t...See More",
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"text": "All/some. Whole/part. These are fairly basic concepts. If you do not grasp the idea of the fullness of the Catholic Faith, in its revealed principles, this might explain how someone might write a thesis about how God is revealed in all Christians or in all things knowable.",
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"text": "Tom Sundaram Tell us abut Dante.",
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"text": "Ooh, yes! I think I will!\nSo Dante was a 14th century Italian from Florence. One day when he was nine, he saw...\nA WOMAN.\n(if you want me to continue the story, please applaud or indicate thus otherwise. )",
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"text": "Okay. So he saw a woman. But not just any woman. She was Beatrice, and he fell in love. Now, normally you or I, if we fell for someone, might write...what? Can anyone give me examples? ",
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"text": "Love letters? A limerick?",
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"text": "You know, I was just going to say \"dirty limericks\" if nobody said anything.",
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"text": "Poetry! And Dante wrote poetry for her. Initially it was really bad by the standards of the day, which means that to this day classicists still nerd out over it. But eventually it got pretty good, and he invented a new style of poetry, the \"dolce stil nuovo.\"",
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"text": "Going to bed. (Past 1 am in Estonia). Can't wait to see how long this thread gets by the time I wake up!",
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"text": "So Dante set out to write BETTER poetry. A poem to span the ages, which settled for no theme less than the Love that moves the Sun and the other stars, in adoration of the Trinity and in veneration of his own, sainted Beatrice.",
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"text": "We need a sign up sheet to keep this thread going. Like Perpetual Adoration.",
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"text": "Now, a poem like that, you can't just write about the Shire - you need some Minas Tirith, and a lot of Silmarillon. So in order to do even a halfway good job, he needed to start by getting his liberal education on. From his studies of Philosophy, he produced three very notable works: the Convivio, or banquet, his metaphysics (his Silmarillon, if you will!); the De Monarchia, his political philosophy per se in light of the Incarnation; and finally the De Vulgari Eloquentia, his De Interpretatione or his Elvish, if you'd like.",
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"text": "These three works are still epochal works in first philosophy, political theory and linguistics respectively, and show signs of his education by both the Dominicans and the Franciscans, as well as his rhetorical training under Brunetto Latini, Dante's \"Ser Brunetto.\" But to the Divine Commedia, they were only to be handmaids, as Philosophy is to Theology. (Hence his enduring belief in Philosophy as a Lady - in fact, as Mary, \"our tainted nature's solitary boast\", was the handmaid of the Lord, so philosophy is the handmaid of the Trinity.)",
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"text": "When he had finished these, he set out to depict nothing less than the poetic exposition of the cosmic character of the Eucharist as the Incarnational mode of communion with the Trinitarian life. But to do this he had to illustrate precisely the highest mode by which we can relate to God as being simply the being of God Himself - Love. And he wanted to display, by his pen, the enduring and primary truth about creation - that the order of the existence of all things is not a rigorous necessity, as though God had to create us just so according to a rigid and immutable a priori law (Inferno - \"He broke the rigid sentence from above\") or its seeming abandonment (Purgatorio) but according to His truly immutable Will, which in its immutability captures the purpose of all mutability.",
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"text": "\"I'm just glad that I can rely on the Magisterium for guidance instead of some guy on the internet armed with a pseudonym and a glossary.\"\nAMEN to this.",
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"text": "In doing this, he realized that the only epistemological mode of truly accessing this mystery was the Beatific Vision of God Himself, especially the Person of Christ. So to do this, he had to depict nothing less than a poetic inroad into that super-knowable knowledge. Hence, the conclusion of his Paradiso, in which the entire symphonic order of the other two Books finds its climax and fruition.",
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"text": "Poor answer Scott. Poor answer. What is theology then, if you wont tell me what \"all of sacred theology\" is, at least you can tell me what it is in it's essence.",
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"text": "This thread is a testament to the naive but earnest nature of Thomas Aquinas College graduates everywhere. Reason, Logic, and even Rhetoric sometimes are of no use, people.",
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"text": "I think we need to push the number of comments on this thread up over 400. Who's with me? *puts hand to ear*",
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"text": "What is theology if not the fullness of the Faith, and what is the fullness if only St. Thomas. I wish he were the Pope today, but God's providence seems to be otherwise.",
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"text": "I comment as a St. Johnnie. I don't think the point of TAC is to instruct in Sacred Theology as a subject, but rather to teach young people how to read and think while living in a Catholic milieu. They are supposed to have the foundation for continuing to learn about the faith, for evaluating new ideas which come along, for being informed Catholics and informed citizens. It isn't a seminary!",
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"text": "Mr. (Scott) Peregeine (Weinberg) Bonaventure: Did you go to Christendom?",
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"text": "Susan: There's a LOT of Theology, and the whole program is ordered to its study. (Peregrine is really, really not someone worth discussing this with, I promise you.)",
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"text": "But it isn't indoctrination and that sounds like what Mr Bonadventure is pushing for.",
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"text": "I only wish I had a chance to study like that. I wish you had a summer graduate institute like SJC so I could go through even a shadow of your program.",
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"text": "Oh, sure, it's not raw catechesis, which he apparently thinks is something people should be getting in college, instead of even before 8th grade when most people today get it. It's the actual study of theology, which, contra illam troglodytam, involves philosophy as an ancillary discipline.",
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"text": "I can sympathise with Susan's point (though my perspective is pretty limited having done only one full year). The theology seems fairly pedestrian - extremely orthodox and superb for what it is, but as the almighty Dr. McArthur said to me once, \"you probably shouldn't come here for scholarship.\" Given that the foundations of Catholic theology are notably absent from high school curricula, maybe this back-to-basics approach is necessary.",
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"text": "I'm just really curious about Mr. Weinberg's past now. What happened to him? Why does he hate TAC so much? \nMuch more interesting than anything he wants to talk about...",
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"text": "Thanks for the kind words for the program, Susan! \nEdmund raises a good point, which is that catechesis is falling off, but I think it's kind of strange to think that has to be fixed by turning undergraduate theology into an RCIA program or a grad school.",
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"text": "Shortly after leaving TAC I took a senior elective at a local seminary on Thomistic Ethics. I was actually surprised at how good the prep at TAC was for something like that, and I could hold my own with guys who had already been through 3-4 years of training for the priesthood.",
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"text": "I'm really starting to enjoy Peregrine's off base, left-field, wack-ass (for lack of a better term) critiques. Set up something no one is saying, attack it violently, then repeat. and repeat. aaaaaand repeat.\n\"The sign out front says if I don't like it it's free. I don't like it\"\n\"there's no such sig-\"\n\"I said I don't like it, it should be free\"\n\"but there's no-\"\n\"but the sign says free\"\nthis could work for me in \"real\" life",
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"text": "You are crazed and drunken sports fans, cheering for a particular team. You call your team the greatest. Then you mistake your team for the sport itself.",
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"text": "as far as the \"sports fan\" thang goes, lots of us met our spouses at TAC some of us converted and found the faith at TAC, and none of us are unchanged by that experience, for good or ill.\nThat having been said, Scott, yo momma's fat",
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"text": "admittedly I may have my eyes glazed over from having made a lot of lasting friendships and rediscovered my vocation there ^^",
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"text": "btw if you're from TAC and are reading this and you find yourself in London or thereabouts, this seminarian wants to treat you to dinner and a pint. Goodnight all",
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"text": "Peregrine Bonaventure even has Michael Beitia defending his alma mater and has single handed lay kept this thread up this far and this long. \nTruly you deserve an award. You are no longer a troll - you have achieved the level of the - of the -something even more - the level of a comment *Dragon*.",
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"text": "Yes Scott, theology is the fullness of the faith, but what is it that is \"missing\" of that in the curriculum at TAC? Do please tell.",
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"text": "but it's a douchey dragon, isn't it, Matthew? not just a regular dragon...",
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"text": "--->A Structural Reexamination of the Angelic Hierarchies for the Illumination of Man as a Cosmological Being\n--->The Cosmic Game: Angelic Causality in the Material Realm\nThomas Quackenbush <---\n--->The Stuff That Matters: The Atom as an Element\n^Need the above for my current work.\nCould have pasted them all but, for me, would like to read.\n\u201cThe Clerk\u2019s Tale\u201d: An Insufficient Account of How to Accept Trial from God \n\u201cYou Are Among Marvels That You Do Not Understand\u201d: An Investigation into the Parallel Between the Character of Orual and the Land of Glome",
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"text": "Premise 1: A Catholic college should teach the fulness of the faith; Premise 2: the fulness of the faith can't fit into an undergraduate curriculum; Conclusion: No college is Catholic.",
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"text": "Nice try, Joe. But that makes way too much sense for Mr. Boneventure to accept as truth.",
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"text": "\"TAC clearly produces arrogant goats...\" I'd like to address this frankly childish, almost fart-like emittance from Peregrine.\nYour unjust appellation of this particular graduate of TAC might well be correct, Mr. Bonaventure. But in my case, it's an accident of birth. You, sir, are clearly a self-made man.",
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"text": "And let's be fair mr Benedict. It's a goatSTAG!!! C'mon people.",
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"text": "Weiss Joe: the fulness of the faith can't fit into any curriculum.",
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"text": "The whole \"teaching the whole of theology\" thing reminds me of a quote from Ephesians 1 that the Church prays in the Liturgy each week:\n\"God has given us the wisdom to understand fully the mystery, the plan he was pleased to decree in Christ.\"\nFULLY! Any thoughts on what this means? Someone actually asked me about this the last time I was at TAC. Great question.",
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"text": "As a dog returneth to its vomit, so a Facebooker returneth to this thread.",
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"text": "oh, Matthew, I've never defended TAC period. nor will I. I just attack Scott.\nHis momma so fat that when she sits around the house, she sits AROUND the house",
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"text": "and you didn't have to jump straight to \"dragon\", Peterson, wikipedia is instructive. I think maybe \"slime-troll\"\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)\nTroll (Dungeons & Dragons) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nen.wikipedia.org\nWhile trolls can be found throughout folklores worldwide, the D&D troll has litt...See More",
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"text": "I got my MA in Theology/Catechetics at FUS. When I met with the department chair, although on paper I \"needed\" about 7 pre-requisites to enter the program, he said that since I went to TAC he was waiving the pre-requisites. And I pulled off a Summa Cum Laude. (While mother of 6 children...). I now work as Theology Dept. Chair at an Archdiocesan pre-k through 12. All that to say TAC was lousy preparation.... ",
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"text": "It really was a great preparation! ",
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"text": "Andrews Max Summe, clearly PeregrineScottWhatshisname asked TAC to the prom and was turned down.",
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"text": "lastly, Peterson (for now) we need video of S C T A C 400",
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"text": "Peregrine is not passing the Turing Test. It's clearly some kind of performance art.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "\"If a man cannot cross a river on its own terms,\nThen he doesn't deserve the other side.\"",
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"text": "Well, my gnosis tells me 496 is a perfect number. Maybe someone should aim for that",
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"text": "Christendom has produced some great senior theses too. For example Dane Joseph Weber on intellectual property: http://dane.weber.org/concept/thesis.html",
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"text": "I will always be grateful to Peregrine for inspiring this discussion:\nhttp://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../unwritten-tradition/\nUnwritten Tradition\nsancrucensis.wordpress.com\nSearching through the passages of Catholic teaching on the relation of Scripture...See More",
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"text": "I still think, as I said then, that the response that Peregrine Bonaventure always brings forth is a sign that his complaints sometimes hit close to nerves or some unclear areas for many and are not mere trolling.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "If someone has a pen name, that is fair. Certainly, no more robust discussion on Faith and philosophy occurs than among the TAC family. I'm just saying, we need to examine our faith and theology. Not to question it endlessly, but to rely on it, so it does what it's supposed to do; so it perfects our reason and nature, and leads us to goodness and devotion. A strongly-worded criticism is not malicious. A strong defense will stand on its own and place things in better focus. Assent to the sacred truths of the Faith, in its entirety, is an act of the heart and the intellect -- and is a valid starting point for theological inquiry. The Liberal Arts were intended to support this inquiry.",
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"name": "Shannon Maguire",
"text": "I stumbled across this thread last night just before I went to bed. It accounted for my crazy dream of returning to campus and going class with Mr. Berquist (may he RIP), where the opening prayer had been changed. I've heard TAC accused of many things--producing arrogant graduates, focusing too much on Aristotle, not incorporating this or that great work--but I've never heard it called unCatholic.",
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"text": "What is \"unCatholic\"? Does that mean you have a kind of theology that does not correspond with Catholic truth? There are many different truly Catholic theologians, and there are different theological approaches, but they all have one thing in common: they begin with an assent to the sacred truths which have been revealed and supported by the Catholic Church. They begin with the human being giving assent to these truths. They do not begin with another set of truths that the human being has reasoned to.",
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"text": "exactly, and we all know that St. Thomas when discussing the Holy Trinity, actually reasons to it from human understanding, and the articles are not explicating a mystery of the faith, nor a dogma, but rather proving that God is necessarily a Trinity from math and stuff.",
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"text": "that's nothing compared to how he proves that sacraments exist from historical necessity.",
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"text": "and that's how I studied - like a good Marxist unraveling the historical truths that dialectically appear through the seminar method",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "The gentleman: \"If he engages in controversy of any kind, his disciplined intellect preserves him from the blundering discourtesy of better, perhaps, but less educated minds; who, like blunt weapons, tear and hack instead of cutting clean, who mistake the point in argument, waste their strength on trifles, misconceive their adversary, and leave the question more involved than they find it. He may be right or wrong in his opinion, but he is too clear-headed to be unjust; he is as simple as he is forcible, and as brief as he is decisive. Nowhere shall we find greater candor, consideration, indulgence: he throws himself into the minds of his opponents, he accounts for their mistakes.\"",
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"text": "Are we discussing the way in which we study Thomas, or the fact that we study Aristotle alongside Thomas? (And for certain subjects like logic, natural science, ethics, before him?) why on earth am i even typing this, i have no idea. Need to take up knitting again...",
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"text": "So, TAC does not begin theology with assent to sacred truths. Though it may recognise that St. Thomas himself has taught that sacred theology begins with assent to divine revelation and the sacred teachings of the Holy Catholic Faith, though it states in its Charter than liberal education is finally subject the teaching Church, in the course of its curriculum, it does not teach or present theology in this way. But in another way...",
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"text": "It begins in an entirely different way. It begins with logic and philosophy and things which can be known by reasons. It uses these things as the principles of theology. It does not begin theology and Catholic education with assent, but with syllogism or -- more fairly stated -- with reason. This is not off the wall. If this is false, then it should be easy for the college to correct it. TAC uses metaphysics as the basis for sacred theology. It does not use assent to sacred principles. It pursues a reason illuminating faith model, which has no precedence in Catholic theology. TAC may argue that it does not pretend to teach all of theology. It may say it is only a starting point to further study. But the starting point itself is wrong. It leads the student to reason towards faith, instead of faith perfecting reason.",
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"text": "Mr. Beitia, Thomas is NOT reasoning toward the Holy Trinity. He gives intellectual assent to revealed and sacred truth, then supports that faith with reasonable dialectic. It is assent to faith seeking and achieving understanding. It is not a reasoning in the metaphysical sense.",
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"text": "And Scripture. . . But maybe that's to Protestant of a beginning?",
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"text": "ubi est Peregrinus. Omnia argumenta eius deleta videntur. Certamen cum umbra. Laudandi qui umbras suas vicerunt. Thomas ne erubesceat ",
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"text": "BINGO: you spelled my name right!\nGive him a hand, folks, he can be taught",
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"text": "ok. is it safe to understand mr p-bon, that you attended TAC? I only say that as I think it says something to that effect on your book of faces profile. now... the way that the program is built studies things in a historical narrative (more or less). however, it is an integrated historical narrative. the program does not study JUST logic, and THEN syllogism, and THEN philosophy (just listing what you wrote above - more or less), and THEN some natural theology a la greeks.",
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"text": "Kunz - he's a Christendom guy, I think.",
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"text": "(still writing - just hit enter by mistake - in my humility, I just said that I made a mistake)",
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"text": "Also I love that P-B is apparently immune to sarcasm, as he completely missed Beitia's.",
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"name": "Becca Cupo",
"text": "I just adore this thread.",
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"text": "HOWEVER!!! (and yes, I know that this argument/discussion is fruitless \u2013 but what the hell).\nWe study these things in order, to give a proper context to what comes (came) next, in both the progression of thought, but also progression of what formed the thought.\nThat is why the programs are actually integrated, not just among the other subjects, but in themselves.\nSo, it seems like a fairly logical thing to study theology in the following manner: \n1) Sacred Scripture\n2) St. Augustine (first explaining how to further understand it, and then an understanding of how Sacred Scripture exists in the world, thought, etc).\n3) The Prima Pars (Summa) \u2013 the treatise on God, then the treatise on the sacraments, etc. (yes \u2013 this was written by St. Thomas Aquinas). \na. Incidentally, this is studied as it is the basis (according to the Vatican, anyways) for most of the Church(sorry, Magisterium)\u2019s understanding of God, Sacred Theology, etc., etc., \n4) Then we study the Constitution of the Church, certain encyclicals (issued by the Magisterium, if you will) to understand various aspects of not only Theology, but also Catholic Social Thought.\nI say that is seems fairly logical to study in that manner, because that is the same manner in which God's Divinely Revealed Truth has become understood to man over the centuries... Why start with the end of the book and not meet the plot, characters, twists, etc? Knowing only the way that Don Quixote's ends, without knowing how he actually got there, and the WAY that he got there would be fruitless.\nBut the brilliance of the integration here, is the fact that one cannot properly understand the words, terms, phrases or dare I say, SENTENCES and paragraphs in most of what St. Thomas wrote, OR St. Augustine OR Any of the other notions then studied through encyclicals, etc., if one has not first studied those that they refer to, quote and lean on to make their mark. That is to say, if one just starts straight in on the summa with a hope to one day read St. John of the Cross (make up some other example here please), one does not have any further respect, knowledge NOR understanding of either Carmelite Mysticism, NOR the Catholic Faith (nor the magisterium \u2013 just to be fair). THAT IS BECAUSE very simply, very few people are smart enough to just read the Summa and understand its meaning, let alone its nuance.\nSo, do students at TAC study logic and natural theology? Absofreakinlutely. Is that because the Blue Book says so? Nope. Is that because the founders think that we can reason our way to understanding God alone without the light of faith? Nope. It\u2019s because in order to not only appreciate STA, but also have any chance of grasping straws, one must understand his vernacular, and in a certain sense \u2013 study the same way that he did.\nSo is logic an important part of the curriculum? So much so that it pervades almost every freshman class? It sure is! Is Aristotle that important too? Not because it\u2019s Aristotle. It\u2019s important because that is what follows from an understanding of Western Philosophy (I doubt they study Aristotle in the same way at St. John\u2019s when discussing the Great Books of Eastern Thought). However, in order to give the best picture in a short period of time (4 years), there must be some tie between it all. Therefore: Pre-Socratics Socrates/Plato Aristotle Modernity Post-Modernity. Are you seeing the trend here? It\u2019s the same in Math\u2026 Euclid Ptolemy Copernicus Kepler Descartes Leibnitz Newton Non-Euclidian Einstein (I missed some and integrated others). This studies the formation of the problem. And it leads to a full (as full) understanding of the stuff. \nSo \u2013 to add the last thoughts based on your (Current) last post. \n\u201cIt begins with logic and philosophy and things which can be known by reasons.\u201d\nA) Covered, but I know that you see the error in complaining about this anyways, as of course you know, We learn by moving to the more known to us, to the less known and thereby towards that more known in itself. So, this makes sense.\n\"It uses these things as the principles of theology. It does not begin theology and Catholic education with assent, but with syllogism or -- more fairly stated -- with reason.\"\nA) No. This isn\u2019t how the study of Theology, nor principles of theology are studied. This is how PHILOSOPHY is studied \u2013 in order to better understand theology? Yep! But not THE study of Theology.\n\u201cThis is not off the wall. If this is false, then it should be easy for the college to correct it. TAC uses metaphysics as the basis for sacred theology. It does not use assent to sacred principles. It pursues a reason illuminating faith model, which has no precedence in Catholic theology.\u201d\nA) Nope. Natural Theology? Yep. SACRED? Nope. \n\u201cTAC may argue that it does not pretend to teach all of theology. It may say it is only a starting point to further study. But the starting point itself is wrong. It leads the student to reason towards faith, instead of faith perfecting reason.\u201d\nA) AGAIN \u2013 not sure where this idea is coming from\u2026 but I think that my first paragraph deals with this as well. \nBut don\u2019t take my word for it.",
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"text": "Mr Peregrine, two questions. What is the ideal of a university as such? 2) is a Catholic university different in kind from a university simply?",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/BNyDjkPO8l0\nPlay Video\nWha' Happen??\nHey, Wha Happen??",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "QUAESTIONEM unam propono: BOVEM MUTUM hanc lineam commendare arbitraminine?",
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"text": "You know, one of the first lessons I teach any students learning history with me is to avoid the mistake of assuming that at any given historical period people all thought the same thing. Being quick to judge, and naturally tending toward it, young students like very much to say things like \"Well that's just what they all thought back then.\" Jonathan Scott Weinberg, or the so-called Bonaventure, appears from his profile picture to be substantially older than high school or middle school students. But that don't seem to matter.\nMr. Weinberg, even if your tenuous claim that TAC purports to approach sacred theology in some specific unprecedented way holds any water whatsoever, it does not follow that therefore all graduates of TAC also approach it that way, or that we all emerge inevitably brainwashed by the college's approach.\nIn other words, Bonaventure - I'm trying very hard to see things from your point of view, I really am. Unfortunately, I can't stick my head that far up my own ass. Maybe you can teach me how to do that, too?",
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"text": "John - just because you aren't getting many responses to your Latin statements doesn't mean that we don't understand them...",
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"text": "Excuse me? Have we met? How the hell can you justify calling all of us arrogant? I expect it from PB, because he's a troll and we've been over and over this twenty times, and I didn't read your Latin because it struck me as pretentious (and as a canonist in training, it's not because I don't read Latin) - who the hell are you to be so bigoted toward everyone here?",
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"text": "And to be fair... Knowing oneself to be correct in all instances, and stating that to be the case doesn't make one arrogant. It just makes them correct. Always and in all ways.",
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"text": "Also, I don't think I studied Theology wrong, and I'm willing to bet my MA in Philosophy and my MA in Theology on that. Are you going to tell me where I screwed up? Because if you want to tell me the failures in my own education, you'd best be damn well ready to back it up with chapter and verse. Failing to do this means you are guilty of calumny.\nTake your time, rear yourself up like a man and make your case - I know the documents of the Church well enough that I am untroubled by any ideas you might have gotten into your head.",
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"text": "Ruplinger, I've seen your intelligent comments on my Dad's posts. I thought you were better than this. Who the hell do you think you are? I see you \"studied porters and imperial stout at University of Dallas.\" Did you really just join Bonaventure in referring to the entirety of TAC graduates as arrogant bastards? Answer me this, you troglodyte - was it hard work becoming such an illiterate boor?",
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"text": "Tom - I think it might be a good idea for Ruplinger to learn how to punctuate and capitalize before he tackles your theology education.",
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"text": "Whoa there. He might not be illiterate (though he seems to be acting boorish, I grant you) - and certainly there is something trollish in the way he just accused us - I want to hear his case. Really, I do. I want to hear it out in the open, where such accusations among Christians ought to be exposed to sunlight, and I want to watch him try and make his case, because, on the distant chance he is right, he can prove it like a man - and if he is wrong, he can accept censure for insulting an entire school of people.",
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"text": "He's not off to a very good start.",
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"text": "Also, I'd really love to hear in what way I am \"impotable.\" I hadn't realized that you could use that to describe someone, it usually referring to whether water is drinkable, and on the off chance it is literary genius instead of the more likely imbecilic nattering, I'd like to know what it means.",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/embed/PB6sH3RwGYA?autoplay=1\nPlay Video\nThe Great Muppet Caper, Say cheese!\nThe end of the song \"Happiness Hotel\" from The Great Muppet Caper. Gonzo takes a picture and Sam the Eagle says his best line ever.",
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"text": "Tom - I think he intends it to mean \"unbearable.\"",
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"text": "Dude, that's like...one letter too long and way too many letters different. How do you get from A to B on that one? ",
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"text": "Matthew - granted. Quite granted. Doesn't mean some people around here don't need an expert surgeon in head-from-ass removal.",
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"text": "He means we are unbearable to be around or converse with, just as muddy, stagnant water is impotable. That's my best guess.",
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"text": "In other words, he can't stomach us.",
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"text": "Anyways, I assume that his criticism that our \"tone\" indicates that we don't get Theology right is because we have a sense of poise and dignity about our education, rather than treating our degrees as worthless pieces of paper that can be used as Latin-themed toilet rags in emergencies. I suppose, given the kind of paradigm that thinks being anything but passive on the matter is the Devil's work, he would rather we spent all our time talking about social issues and never discussing Aquinas. We would all be perfect souls of courtesy. You know, like St. Jerome \"the Thunderer.\"\n\"As to your inquiry whether I have written in opposition to the books of Annianus, this pretended deacon of Celed\u00e6, who is amply provided for in order that he may furnish frivolous accounts of the blasphemies of others, know that I received these books...I have suffered so much...that I almost thought of passing over these writings with silent contempt. For he flounders from beginning to end in the same mud, and, with the exception of some jingling phrases which are not original, says nothing he had not said before. Nevertheless, I have gained much in the fact, that in attempting to answer my letter he has declared his opinions with less reserve, and has published to all men his blasphemies; for every error which he disowned in the wretched synod of Diospolis he in this treatise openly avows. It is indeed no great thing to answer his superlatively silly puerilities, but if the Lord spare me, and I have a sufficient staff of amanuenses, I will in a few brief lucubrations answer him, not to refute a defunct heresy, but to silence his ignorance and blasphemy by arguments: and this your Holiness could do better than I, as you would relieve me from the necessity of praising my own works in writing to the heretic.\"",
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"text": "THE ST. JEROME SMACKDOWN!! OHHHHH SNAP",
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"text": "QED (BTW there is a potable arrogant bastard.) Anywho, I just read like hundreds of posts ripping on a certain Peregrinne B. but couldn't find a single post by him. Just trying to clarify. Regarding the theology, I take for a model both the Jesuit tradition and Leo XIII's suggested order of studies. Your own is considerably different. I also question how its done. That is all. Regarding superbia, it's just something I suspect in how open you are to criticism. I was being tongue in cheek mostly, but hey, what do I know. (edit: to be clear I refer to the Ratio Studiorum esp. as explained by Fr. Hughes)",
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"text": "I think there's plenty of cheek to go around in these parts...",
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"text": "The real question is: is this comment thread a sin I must confess as soon as I am able?",
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"text": "But all I did was point to the one interlectual thing I like about my alma mater...",
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"text": "Matthew, this comment thread is building you mansions in Heaven.",
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"text": "And if you die tomorrow and become a saint, will this thread stand as some kind of fourth-class digital relic of you, Matthew?",
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"text": "I am a great fan of the potable Arrogant Bastard. I am also a fan of the classical order of studies - I especially like how Leo got it from Aquinas, and how ours doesn't begin with Metaphysics and end in the Scriptures, such that all of it is accepted purely based on \"my teacher told me so.\" I am open to criticism, believe it or not - I am not so open to these usual Ex Corde Ecclesiae school genital-waving contests which seem to be everyone's favorite occupation.\nSince I presume your accusations are not actually based in reality or knowing me at all, I'm just going to assume you won't defend them, in which case I hope you are willing to offer an apology. I don't take kindly to \"I'm just gonna be an uncontrolled flapping mouth at your school, since, you know, if it's on the internet nobody can tell me what is rude.\" I believe that my school deserves an apology when people say ignorant stuff about it.",
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"text": "\"Creator of five day long comment threads . . . Pray for us.\"",
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"text": "Ruplinger and Bonaventure both seem to hold degrees from the same school of evasion, Tom. I don't think an apology is forthcoming.",
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"text": "Tom, you should quote Jerome in Latin, otherwise the relevant parties might not understand it.",
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"text": "If Mr. Bonaventure is really Mr. Weinberg, I believe he was asked to leave TAC by Mr. Kaiser at some point in his freshman year. (Or at least, Scott Weinberg related some such anecdote to me back in the day.)",
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"text": "Ruplinger has no idea what hurricane he has just provoked.",
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"text": "Facebook's privacy settings can do that to conversations. Especially if the person in question has blocked you at some point: then neither you nor he will be able to see each other's comments.",
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"text": "\"...i suspect part of his complaint which i sympathize with: 1) youre all impotable arrogant bastards 2) you dont study theology right. BY your own admissions even and tone, he is right.\" Would you care to explain how we have so grievously misunderstood you, sir?",
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"text": "The short story is that someone showed up awhile ago and started criticizing TAC's curriculum and evading any attempt to reach common ground. Since then, many of us have, rightly or wrongly. decided that argument with this person is fruitless and have begun responding in kind.",
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"text": "I pray for their job prosoects.",
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"text": "I think very few TACers would claim that TAC's curriculum is perfect for every possible end, (in fact, I gather that several people in this thread are quite critical of TAC most of the time) we just like criticism to come from someone who is willing to actually talk to us rather than at us.",
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"text": "I'd never say I'm not arrogant. I reject the idea that I'm somehow arrogant because I attended Thomas Aquinas College.",
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"text": "Perhaps you were not deliberately provocative in that other conversation.",
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"text": "Also - 524.",
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"text": "I think that is a problem, although there is a corresponding problem with lectures: excessive passivity to the ideas of others.",
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"text": "I don't know the Jesuit method, perhaps a description would be helpful. I do know that the \"Scholastic\" method balanced lectures (lectiones) with something similar to a seminar (i.e. the disputationes). Obviously the format of the latter differed insofar as it concluded with an authority pronouncing judgment on the positions held by his students: but something like that happens in the better seminars at TAC.",
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"text": "Scintilating discussion. It's no surprise the TAC family of scholars pursues the question what is theology. No one else is doing this today. You need very strong reasoning skills to pursue this question today. Faith -- which is love engulfed in the substance of things hoped for -- seeking understanding.",
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"text": "Hey, Peregrine, we read the dude that invented that phrase, we'll all about it.",
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"text": "In fact, Dr. MacArthur and co. basically never stopped repeating that phrase.",
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"text": "Thanks, I love you guys.",
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"text": "FYI John - this is the type of comment that you cannot see which these gentlemen were responding to: \nPeregrine Bonaventure The guys who started TAC were extreme intransigents on a wide range of false opinion, from the question of unalienable rights to the relationship between Faith and reason, to the relationship between St. Thomas and the Church, to the human person, to the nature of the human will and the imagination, and so much more. TAC is a backwater. An idolatry. Because of its arrogance, which it holds as a virtue, and because of its incomplete presentation of the Faith, it leads to a truncated exercise of reason, and its students are often grossly offensive. \nI thank Holy Mother the Church and Her Sacraments for my spiritual and academic formation.\nAugust 15 at 8:29am \nThere are plenty more where that came from.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBPy4tvlCwc\nYou Displease Me\nYou displease me greatly and I ignore the both of you.",
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"text": "It's real great that just for going to a serious Catholic school, I get to have a HEADMASTER OF A CATHOLIC SCHOOL CALL EVERYONE LIKE ME ARROGANT IN PUBLIC. I'm sure Trinity, Ambrose, and JPII all are real proud of you, John. You really do them proud when you insult people on Facebook for no reason. It's a real credit to the education.\nJUST KIDDING HA HA HA IT'S JUST A JOKE, TONGUE IN CHEEK YOU GUYS",
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"text": "This guy is the headmaster of a school? I'm shocked, shocked.",
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"text": "Tom, I don't think that's necessary: John seemed to have missed the context of our snips at Peregrine.",
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"text": "So what if he missed it? It doesn't justify anything that he came in without context when he just said bad stuff about our entire school.",
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"text": "Ed - he admitted himself he was being \"merely provocative.\"",
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"text": "I mean, yeah, I could come into a heated argument where people are being all defensive about being white and saying retaliatory stuff against an Indian guy - it wouldn't justify me canning all white people. Screw that circumstantial nonsense; if you say horrible nonsense about me, my friends and colleagues, we deserve an apology for such a stupid \"joke.\"",
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"text": "http://vimeo.com/m/37683622\nRainy Day Women No. 12 & 35\nWell, they\u2019ll stone ya when you\u2019re trying to be so good They\u2019ll stone ya just a-like they said they would They\u2019ll stone ya when you\u2019re tryin\u2019 to go home Then\u2026",
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"text": "Heated discussion? ha. this is all twaddle. Scottegrine Bonaweinberg sets up a straw man, beats a drum and the TAC interblagactivists get all up in a tizzy. Its laughable, stupid and pointless. \nI prod I prod I prod because it entertains. I need not justify my basic education to anyone, least of all a pseudonymous troll. \nIn the words of Bender Bending Rodriguez: Bite my shiny metal ass",
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"text": "^do you have magisterial evidence?^",
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"text": "\"Si aliqui audet dicere quod referentia ad futuramam sint aliquando non conveniens, anathema sit\" -- (Council of Liberfaciei, 2008, canon xviii)",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "And I thought that his couldn't escalate anymore than it already had. . . (By the way discussion is a great way to find out you're wrong too! Throwing out thoughts at 17 other individuals who all read the same things doesn't make everyone agree! We don't just nod and continue on our way. I think I learned a lot of humility through Socratic dialogue. Entering a class being absolutely certain and leaving it being dazed and confused and seeking more answers isn't easy!)",
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"text": "I think we should periodically resurrect this thread, just because.",
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"text": "the next perfect number is 8128.... good luck",
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"text": "I agree with Isak Benedict and Lauren Ogrodnick above--my personal vice of arrogance has little to do with where I did my undergraduate degree. I am very proud of having made it through TAC, and I am still exceedingly happy that such a place exists. I am also proud of what has happened in my life since then. \nI didn't read everything in the curriculum, I didn't understand everything that I did read, and I didn't participate as much as I should have in every class, because frankly, I didn't have a brilliant mind to match many of my classmates'. If anything, I was humbled by attending TAC.\nIt's really irritating when some people paint all \"TAC\"ers with one brush, as if each person gets stamped with the same personality upon graduation, and any differences or growth beyond the degree are irrelevant. I dated one of these people for a short time--quite awkward, I must say.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "You keep talking, but you don't seem to understand what you say.",
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"text": "Would you sketch out the principle texts you would use for a four year college curriculum that intends to teach theology? In what order would you present those texts?",
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"text": "Ok, be specific: would Freshman theology involve reading the Bible? what additional texts would you add? The Catechism? Dei Verbum?\nIf you really want a defense of TAC's curriculum, a communication of your view of a good curriculum might help us see what common ground there is to start from.",
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"text": "Are you saying that freshman year would not involve studying anything besides theology?",
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"text": "I think what the founders of TAC thought was that a strong foundation in logic and philosophy would help students of theology see the line dividing Faith and reason. Furthermore, it would help theologians begin to understand the faith (remember, \"fides quaerens intellectum\") by giving them places from which they can both defend the articles of the Faith against objections and show the harmony of the deposit of faith with the truths discoverable by natural reason.",
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"text": "Part of the questiop, then, would be should theology (as opposed to catechesis) begin with the articles of faith or should it begin with the preambles and progress to the articles, as St. Thomas does in the Summa.\nNone of this is to deny that the articles of Faith are the first principles of Sacred Theology. Sometimes, however, what is first \"by nature\" (to use a technical phrase) is not first in the pedagogical order.",
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"text": "Mr. Berquist explicitly denied that TAC was a great books school.",
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"text": "The curriculum of TAC is designed to provide the various aids one needs to fruitfully begin to study theology: the reason more \"Sacred Theology\" is taught at TAC is probably that \"the Founders\" judged that most college-age students weren't ready for a formal study of theology.\nAfter all, in the medieval schools, Sacred Theology was studied after a long, rigorous curriculum of philosophy.",
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"text": "I've never implied that the articles of Faith were all contained by St. Thomas: after all some of them (such as the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption) were only recognized as such long after St. Thomas died.",
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"text": "\"Catechesis is something entirely different\" That's exactly what I was saying: should the study of the science of Theology begin with rote memorization of the articles of the Faith, or with the philosophical precursors to such a study?",
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"text": "\"Well, it is a Great Books school. It says it is, and it reads James. It is what it is. If it is not a Great Books school, it does not teach sacred theology either.\"\nMr. Berquist is on record denying that TAC is a great books school.",
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"text": "Sure, but should neophytes begin by studying the Immaculate Conception?",
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"text": "Should theology be taught by telling the students: \"Go study whichever article of Faith happens to pique your interest?\"",
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"text": "Dude, Edward, why?\nPerescott is just a beating drum",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'm a glutton for punishment sometimes. Also, I'm trying to distract myself from writing a master's thesis.",
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"text": "To prepare them to study theology, perhaps?",
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"text": "I'm still curious what \"studying theology\" would look like. Presumably, it doesn't match what I did while reading St. Thomas on the Trinity and the Sacraments in class.",
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"text": "How should I go about studying the Trinity? Read the relevant encyclicals and council documents?",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "Mr. Berquist. (Marcus) Not Dr. Berquist.",
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"text": "\"You both seem incapable of arguing about this subject like mature thinkers. I am not beating a drum. I am making true statements about Catholic education and sacred theology, and pursuing a line of argumentation in support of these true statements, which you are unable to address.\"\nPeregrine, perhaps you are stating things and arguing from them: but you are not answering my questions about your understanding of the \"true statements\". In fact, I think a lot of what you say is true, but I either disagree with your understanding of the truth or the implications you suppose it has. If you want to argue with us and not just pontificate at us, you should answer our questions.",
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"text": "And, as far as I can see, most of the misrepresentation in this thread is on your side: I have made very few statements of fact.",
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"text": "Take my most recent question: If I were to study the Trinity, how should I go about it?",
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"text": "If the goal of TAC is \"to prepare students to study theology\" then why does it not help students develop a theological habit of mind? Why does it spend years studying geometry and music? Is this beautiful? Does geometry and music and Marx and Hegel prepare one to gain a deeper understanding of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Trinity?\n1) \"Why does it not help students develop a theological habit of mind?\"\n- Describe the \"theological habit of mind\"\n2) \"Why does it spend years studying geometry and music?\"\n- Because the study of geometry sharpens the logical abilities of the mind and music disposes one's passions, helping to develop the virtues necessary to fruitfully pursue the study of theology.\n3) \"Is this beautiful?\"\n- Not sure what the question is.\n4) \"Does geometry and music and Marx and Hegel prepare one to gain a deeper understanding of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Trinity?\" (I'm not sure what \"the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Trinity\" is :))\n- see (2): Marx and Hegel promote errors which help us understand the philosophical concepts that Sacred Theology uses better.",
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"text": "Edward - we did this a few months back with tutors and all - in another thread (quoted by Frater Edmund) and it gets no where. Scot (Peregrine) doesn't care to be convinced of anything. He is right and we are infidels in his mind. In fact, we are worse than infidels -- because we masquerade as Catholics. \nIt is impossible to change his mind. That \"debate\" ended with the tutor (who is eminently kind and charitable) unfriending him. There was no other solution. \nMy question is if Scott (aka Peregrine) hates TAC so much, why did he apply (and attend Freshman year in part) 3 or 4 times? He was in my class, and the class ahead of me, and another behind me and I believe in another years before. Perhaps this is an issue of rejecting that which rejected you -- it happens all the time in relationship break-ups. \nAnd why did the college keep letting him back in?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"What have I misrepresented, Edward?\"\nTell me if you understood the intent of this exchange correctly:\n\"Peregrine Bonaventure It's telling that TAC is unable to admit that theology proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths, not from reason, Aristotle or Euclid or valid syllogism. That must be because you want to be seen as the smartest people on the planet. Sounds a little insecure to me,",
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"text": "Have you even read question one of the prima pars? If you did, you wouldn't make such a completely idiotic statement.",
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"text": "Because TAC generally promotes Aquinas's understanding of the relation between fatih and reason.\nPeregrine Bonaventure If you understood Catholic theology, Edward Langley, and the Faith, you would understand that the first part of the Summa is not the source or set of the principle data of sacred theology. TAC clearly produces arrogant goats, who would rather dodge real issues with obfuscations and false attacks, instead of addressing the fundamental flaw of its curriculum, which results in a kind of blunted and arrogant reason that is incompatible with genuine Faith.",
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"name": "Did I ever",
"text": "say that \"the first part of the Summa is the source or set of the principle data of sacred theology.\"? No, I responded to your claim that \"TAC is unable to admit that theology proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths\" by pointing out that St. Thomas (and, consequently, TAC) promotes a very different view of theology at the very heart of what TAC promotes as a good guide to the study of theology.",
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"text": "It's an obsession -- and he gets some kind of kick out of it. Do what is recommended for the treatment of tantrumming children and walk away.",
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"text": "Hahahaha ok. I'm actually now sorry that I spent a bit of time writing an actual response to one of these question when the above is written. As Shakespeare might have said, \"thyself upon thyself\".",
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"name": "John Kunz",
"text": "I love that we're around 600 comments on this thread. Was nice to see you all... But this is nothin short of a waste of time.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "We could have a better discussion if we just addressed one another. Not out of arrogance but out of wisdom.",
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"text": "I studied with some of the c'dom \"professors\" while doing grad & post grad studies in Rome... I assumed that they were unemployable because they were able to get Jobs at Chrystendom...",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'll give you a hint, look at Joe Zepeda's interpretation of the events:\n\"Joe Zepeda Come on, Scott, you know that's not what he said. He was pointing out that your characterization of TAC is straightforwardly wrong. The first part of the Summa is very clear that theology \"proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths, not reason\" - and TAC takes St. Thomas to be right about that. Therefore your characterization is wrong. That's all there was to it. [Notice the absence of any premise asserting that the Summa is the \"source or principal set of data of sacred theology\".] I probably should follow my own advice and not respond at all ... oh well.\"",
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"text": "I wish you would ask yourself \"Why might a bunch of educated people not want to argue with me? Why would someone who has spent at least four years of his life arguing with people who hold all sorts of strange opinions find my attitude off-putting?\"",
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"name": "John Herreid",
"text": "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck graduated from TAC?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "My claim is that TAC promotes St. Thomas's (and, by the way, the Church's) understanding of the relationship between faith and reason to be true. St. Thomas very explicitly claims in ST I.1 a.8: \"Hence, just as the musician accepts on authority the principles taught him by the mathematician, so sacred science is established on principles revealed by God.\" Consequently, TAC teaches us that \"theology proceeds from assent to divinely revealed truths, not from reason.\" Thus (a) you misrepresented TAC's position on Sacred Theology. (b) you either misunderstood or misrepresented my reply to your accusations: I never said \"the Summa is the 'source or principal set of data of sacred theology',\" I merely said that \"TAC promotes this view and this view contradicts your claim about TAC\".\nPerhaps some TACers think that you can demonstrate the existence of the Holy Trinity: Personally, I've never met one. In my Senior theology class on the Trinity with Dr. MacArthur, Dr. MacArthur emphasized over and over again how the ground and source of St. Thomas's exposition of the Trinity (using the Doctors and Fathers of the Church as well as the acts of the Ecumenical Councils) is the assent of Faith to matters beyond reason's grasp.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "i.e. if some TACers think the Trinity is demonstrable, they didn't get that idea from TAC.",
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"text": "TAC definitely teaches and emphasizes natural theology, BTW, but I've never heard anyone suggest that natural theology is complete.",
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"text": "The wagons may be circled. But that's just Darwinian.",
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"text": "\"which afford more time and space for Freud and Euclid than it does for the doctors of the Church combined.\"\nUm, Last time I checked St. Thomas was a doctor of the Church. We spend four semesters reading St. Thomas. We spend two semesters on Euclid and two or three classes on Freud.",
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"text": "We also read St. Augustine, St. Athanasius and St. John Damascene, all of whom are either Fathers or doctors of the Church: in fact, we probably spend more hours in and out of class reading St. Augustine than almost anyone else in the program.",
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"text": "\"In addition, it does not employ this teaching as a principle in the instruction of sacred theology, but merely as a maxim.\"\nYes it does, in senior theology St. Thomas and the tutor emphasize the necessity of Faith.",
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"text": "Also, when the Church gives instructions on how to study Theology, it has often said \"Study St. Thomas\". Perhaps more recent popes have been less explicit in this matter, but it can hardly be said that promoting Aquinas's understanding of theology is not acting in accord with the Church's wishes on the matter. Or else, if it is, perhaps you should talk to the Dominicans about how they form their novices.",
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"text": "And, I'm not sure how one could read St. Augustine and think that Sacred Theology is equivalent to natural theology.",
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"text": "How do you propose to teach the Faith in a way that the student absolutely cannot reject?",
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"text": "It's not one of a fool.",
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"text": "Oh - and if you read the loooooong response I wrote earlier today, it addressed most of your concerns, but you haven't responded.",
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"text": "Yeah, go read that response and then tell me that TACers don't try to reason with you.",
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"text": "It's kinda funny, when you say things like \"That's a very sweet sentiment, but I would not say that constitutes a credible approach to theology. Yes, it's good that you read a few of other Doctors and theologians of the Church, in addition to Saint Thomas. But any graduate of TAC is free to reject the Faith or reject the principles of sacred theology.\" my study of St. Augustine causes little \"Pelagian\" alarm bells to start ringing.\nDo you really think that any human institution or even the Church could propose the Faith to someone in sucha way that they were no longer free to reject the Faith? Sure, if God gave them the gift of Faith, they will receive and profit from instruction; but without that gift, all instruction here below is fruitless.",
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"text": "First my apologies for the offense given by my rather crude remarks. In my defense, however, I point out that sometime between the initial post and my first post Peregrine blocked me (I know not why) and as I knew not the properties of such action, I was mystified that upstanding gentlemen from TAC were continuing to denigrate him (since at that time it was just a beat down and not the more recent reasoned arguments). It seemed unfair to me and the seeming display of arrogance and scorn merited some redress. I hope that's understandable. You may note that I deleted most my comments. I left, however, my only question.\nContrary to some opinion, I am very favorable to TAC though I have never met any graduates. My concerns are over the predominant method of seminar as well as the theology program (but that's a problem I likely have with any university, so it's no particular dig on TAC). Thanks to Edward, I was reminded that it is preparatory theology merely, though still the wisdom of Leo XIII's order of studies stands, which has a tradition spanning 800 years and is traceable to the Fathers of the Church. I also see the prudence of the older prescription limiting laymen in theological instruction; to put it simply they lack the evangelical councils, a necessary aid in that study which which can easily be a danger to one's own soul. Moreover, I don't regard the seminar format as suitable to such study. My own theology training was mostly unspeakably bad. \nI am familiar with the seminar method myself since it was how I had learned. I may remind all that the college's patron was not known for his verbosity under St. Albert, and also that Pieper, a Thomist, reminds us that intellectus is passive, not active. Silence is a rule of St. Benedict, but also a rule of philosophy whatever school one is from (but most evident among the Pythagoreans). Certainly disputation sharpens the mind, making it capable of receiving wisdom, but wisdom does not come from within or at least not from ourselves. A loquacious soul may be clever, but is incapable of being wise.\nMy point of the Latin was merely to remind all that contemporary education falls far short of its precursors, but it is a failing in earlier years especially. By contemporary college age, back in the day, one had at least two ancient languages mastered, as well as literature, logic and preparatory philosophy (and for the Jesuits they had often begun teaching as well). TAC is necessarily limited in its aims due to this.\nI agree with Matthew's original statement that the emphasis on Aquinas and Aristotle is TAC's strongest suit. Nevertheless, it is not nor can be some rival to the schools of old, whether ancient, Renaissance, or Medieval. Taking note of one's deficiencies which in my case are great, ought to put ourselves in a bit more modest attitude. \nFinally, I do not know just how trollish Peregrine is. However, in all the vituperations at me, the sole question I asked was not acknowledged it seemed, and so I leave it.\nFor those interested, I strongly recommend Fr. Thomas Hughes book on Ignatian education (ca. 1900). This is my area of expertise if I have any. It requires more than one reading and some time between and a bit of pondering too; it's interesting that the author wrote to remind the Jesuits themselves how much different their schools were even at the end of the 19th century. (The Ratio Studiorum read alone leaves one with too many questions). The Jesuits, the first teaching order, can lay claim to being the summit of Christian education. It seems superior to Erasmus' plan which is more akin the origin of our own watered down fare -- and not surprisingly because he was friends with those who established the English schools that disintegrated bit by bit over the centuries.",
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"text": "Hint Edward (if you want to speed this up): PB (or SW) doesn't believe that the Socratic method is at all appropriate for the study of Theology because it implies that the student can wrestle with ideas or even discuss how something might be reasonable. Students are the be taught systematically using doctrinal sources only. No interpretation is permitted. (ok, go back to your argument)",
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"text": "My question is not \"are we free to reject the principles of Faith . . .\" it is \"can the principles of Faith be put to a student in a way that he cannot reject?\"\nPerhaps you've been somewhere like that: somewhere that presents the Faith so clearly and coherently with teachers that are so holy that they can impress the virtue of Faith on the souls of their students. If so, I wish you'd tell us about that school, so we can learn their methods and reform TAC's curriculum accordingly.",
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"text": "Peregrine Bonaventure Does Jody Haaf Garneau accurately summarise your position on teaching sacred theology?",
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"text": "Anyways, this is my current situation, perhaps I will return tomorrow to see your responses to our questions: http://xkcd.com/386/\nxkcd: Duty Calls\nxkcd.com\nWarning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors).\nAugust 20 at 2:08am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 7 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJohn Ruplinger Of course one must ask what is Socratic dialogue first. Do tutors lead students to aporia or invite sophists to do the same? What of the many youths who silently listen as in the Lesser Hippias in which Socrates interlocuter is embarressed. How often do the youths stay quiet? Are you familiar with Quigley and John Senior (IHS)? What do you think of the dumb ox? Did you know the Jesuits were forbidden to let students take notes or use lecture notes? Things to ponder merely.",
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"text": "can u name a dialogue in which 2 youths are the main interlocutors?",
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"text": "619 and still amusing.",
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"text": "Edward Langley: Really? when I studied St. Thomas, we just called him \"Thomas\" and was instructed by the tutor to think of it as a mental exercise, like Euclid. \nHow many angels can dance on the head of a pin?",
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"text": "I wonder if Perescott Wienventure can name the seven liberal arts (hint: theology isn't one of them)? and then wonder why anyone would study music or geometry at a liberal arts school.\nI suppose his contention would be that you shouldn't study liberal arts at a liberal arts school.",
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"text": "interesting mb. Most schools study no liberal arts. And one i know of that does produces courteous well born gentleman ",
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"text": "well, I'm neither well-born (how would a school produce that?) nor particularly courteous - especially with pseudonymous trolls who have been sounding the same blaring trumpet blast for years. He never answers me, but just calls me names. Like thug. On the bright side, he finally after a couple of years learned to spell my 6 letter last name",
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"text": "Crazy like pineapples",
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"text": "The linguistics of pineapple are Cray cray\nhttp://www.expolugha.tn/wp-content/uploads/pineapple.jpg\nwww.expolugha.tn\nwww.expolugha.tn",
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"text": "It's becoming intimidating to comment on this thread, lest one accidentally make a comment that has already been made...",
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"text": "it hasn't stopped anyone else. Plus, this thread is just a rehash of about ten others of the same stripe.",
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"text": "i apologize for being obtuse. My questions above have two points: what is called Socratic dialogue upon inspection is not and such dialogues are often only for the benefit of the silent youths listening (or reader). Secondly there were methods of learning that are now extinct as far as i know.",
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"text": "I almost responded in earnest... Edward, you set a bad example.",
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"text": "I'm amused at the people that come out of the wood work the longer this goes on. Also does anyone else get the feeling that we have Dr. McArthur and Mr. Berquist laughing at us right now, or more so laughing at what they've created? Didn't they both always say that they were creating Martyrs for the Church? Haha!",
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"text": "Lauren, one of the things I learned from both of them, is not to engage in a conversation when one knows that there is no real desire to listen, understand, and explain on the part of the other. \nThe program of study at TAC disposes the mind to wisdom, by disposing the mind to thing reasonably. In this way, we do not reason to the faith, but we think reasonably about the faith. \nHowever, while we have been given this gift, the one thing we were not given was that we were not told how to use this gift. How do we use the gift of thinking reasonably in age that rejects reason? Nevertheless, all graduates are charged to defend the Church and her teachings \"in season and out of season.\"",
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"text": "I suppose the medieval universities present Faith as somethign to be reasoned towards, anyways.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, et al. one reason I've been \"setting a bad example\" is to avoid misunderstandings about TACer's attitudes to the rest of the world. Especially for people who cannot see anything of the other side.",
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"text": "Yeah, but it would probably be more fruitful for you to work on your Thesis Ed ",
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"text": "If Dr. McArthur were here: \"636 comments?!? This is all just mental...\"",
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"text": "\"Class dismissed! All of you go spend an hour in the chapel!\"",
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"text": "I want to get to a thousand ....",
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"text": "hahahahaha Perescott Wienventureburg calls the comments inane! Really!? Your assertion is still bare jackassery. I suppose starting with Holy Scripture is reasoning toward...... bah. Edward you got me started trying to respond. Never mind",
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"text": "\"No seriously, at least an hour, some of you should probably stay in there for good and get in line for confession also.\"",
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"text": "But, those medieval universities only began teaching theology after years of math, philosophy, music, etc . ..",
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"text": "da da da da da da da",
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"text": "but, Daniel how can you claim i do not egage in conversation if no one has responded to my questions? Be assured i am searching for the answer. Lost arts are hard to unbury.",
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"text": "If you're not familiar with the heresies/heretics, how do you respond to them? Oops! I didn't just do that!!\nIn other thoughts, I'm wondering if the extent of everyone's participation in this conversation here is an accurate representation of how they are in class. Those that come in strong and then give up (rightfully or wrongfully) and start watching the clock, those that never give up, those that try to wrap things up, those that just start throwing random comments to keep everyone friends, those that come out of the wood work as class time comes to the end etc.",
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"text": "i simply asked a Socratic question: what is Socratic dialogue? If TAC doesnt know, who does? (Before responding please see my list of seeming aporeia producing questions above)",
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"text": "John, there was a different comment inbetween that Michael was responding to. I think your questions are the ones being thrown to the side while they address someone else still ",
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"text": "Sorry Ruplinger, I don't know what Socratic dialogue is. I do know trollish jackassery, bald assertion, and inability to pick up on sarcasm..... but that's my gnosis coming out again",
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"text": "and I can only stop (Edward Langley) on perfect numbers, we passed six, 28 and 496.... I cannot stop until 8128. By divine decree from the lost gnostic work of St. Thomas \"De Numerologiae\" we studied it in junior math",
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"text": "This Peregrine moron reminds me of a much less funny, much less charismatic, and much less entertaining Ignatius J. Reilly. I don't even know where to begin, man. Some of your comments are the dumbest things I've ever read on the Internet. \n\"TAC does not support reasonable discussion on sacred truths.\" That is a patently, observably crackpot claim. \n\"But sadly, your only \"argument\" is that no one besides yourselves is able to understand you. You don't present an argument. You dodge and evade and attack and joke.\" Mr. Hercules Langley has done a fantastic job of attempting to clean the shit out of Bonaventure's stables on that count. You're really not going to find a more reasonable and kind interlocutor.",
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"text": "my questions are serious, perhaps tinged somewhat ironic. Socrates was also thought a troll.",
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"text": "but much less repetitive than our own Scoregrine Bonaburgwienture",
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"text": "^^^That's Ignatius J. Reilly talking. \"With the collapse of the medieval system, the gods of Chaos, Lunacy and Bad Taste gained ascendancy.\" Is your real problem, Bonaventure Cheevy, that you long for the days of old when swords were bright and steeds were prancing?",
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"text": "Again Mr. Ruplinger, he was referring to someone else.",
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"text": "\"^This isn't argument, it's just contradiction\"^\n\"no it isn't\"",
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"text": "John, I am sorry if my comments came off as directed toward you. From what I have read of yours, you seem to be a reasonable fellow. I am sorry that you are in the middle of this whirlwind since you seem to have a serious question in mind.",
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"text": "Isak, the colorful prose that you have put on display brought this to mind:\nI have always appreciated the diversity of minds that come to and graduate from TAC, so many different interests. That is one of the things that I really appreciate about a liberal education. No one is educated to be a master of any one discipline upon completion of a liberal education. Rather, he (hopefully) has mastered the ability to reason well. Consequently, many TAC grads go into diverse fields: Theology, Philosophy, Law, Education at all levels, Engineering, Architecture, Physics, the Medical Sciences, Performing Arts, Visual arts... the list goes on. Most importantly, TAC has fostered the religious and priestly vocations of 11% of its graduates. There is something about a liberal education that really enables the liberally minded man to excel wheresoever he feels called.",
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"text": "I don't know about that, Bonaventure. You could use a little color in your stale prose yourself. Right now you're just wearing the same shirt out in public every day, and it's starting to stink. You've consistently failed to engage anyone kind enough to entertain your (much more hostile than mine) attacks on an entire school. These are attacks you are not qualified to make, having failed to succeed in the program itself.\nYou have consistently failed to listen, avoided pointed questions, mocked your interlocutors, and generally behaved as a stubborn child. You have not made an argument. You have made bald claims without support and expected everyone to bow before you.\nWho do you think you are? The Pope? Think again. Your words are those of a poor demented sap.\nTo everyone else - if I've offended you, I surely apologize. This is clearly a waste of time and I've simply become frustrated.",
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"text": "i only see the \"more\" reasonable half of the whirlwind. I cant imagine the mad raving ghastly dead horse that is the other side.",
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"text": "you care too much. I may have been frustrated on this same thread two years ago, but you get used to the rhythm of the Bonavenburg drum. You can even dance to it!",
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"text": "John Ruplinger made the 666th comment. Does that bring good luck or bad?",
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"text": "Daniel - what can I say. I think in stories and poetry and myths. Bonaventure will say that means I can't hope to approach sacred theology. I say that man is creative as God is creative, and that art can save souls. Perhaps Bonaventure is simply artless. I'm glad he has such intimate familiarity with the TRUE and PROPER ways to come to know and love the Trinity though.",
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"text": "Haven't you read your \"de Numerologiae\"?",
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"text": "I was never given the fullness of Sacred Theology. So, no.",
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"text": "Here's the cover of the first appearance of Groot:",
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"text": "\"Miniver cursed the commonplace\nAnd eyed a khaki suit with loathing;\nHe missed the medi\u00e6val grace\nOf iron clothing.\nMiniver scorned the gold he sought,\nBut sore annoyed was he without it;\nMiniver thought, and thought, and thought,\nAnd thought about it.\"",
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"text": "is my observation off base: they accuse pg of not answering questions, ad hominems, bad arguments, no arguments, etc. PG has won: he has successfully turned his interlocutors into himself.",
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"text": "I can't speak for anyone else, but I just throw that stuff at him because it is amusing. Some people can't be taught. He's back to misspelling my six letter last name ",
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"text": "This thread has grown too long to be a medium of reasonable discussion. Which is why I post ridiculous things.",
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"text": "That's a terrible strategy, Van Boom. I only post deadly serious, insightful commentary with the full authority of tradition, and magisterial teachings",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "THEN STOP. feeding him, mb. It is grossly unkind. Pray for him instead. You are encouraging his unmitigatable ire. Besides he has a point he cannot articulate in his blind fury. Argue for him instead. Take his side: thus u could outmedieval him and calm his rage.",
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"text": "to feed a fury is worse than be one. He is tormented. The medieval disputant would argue either side. Help your brother out. Show him what medieval really is.",
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"text": "The long history of weirdness with this guy precludes that method, John. I don't defend TAC as a matter of course, nor do I think it is perfect. And frankly I don't know anyone else on this thread personally until you get back to Kunz. (Peterson excepted) so I just aim to entertain",
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"text": "...myself",
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"text": "prayer is precluded at TAC? That is a good start mb. I believe pg accused tac of being noncatholic too",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "might \"Peregrine Bonaventure\" be an account run by Matthew to troll the TAC alumni? PERFORMANCE ART?",
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"text": "mb, let me ask. Is it the common aim of the liberal arts at tac to merely amuse oneself? while imperiling the souls of trolls. Is that what it is for? Is this Pieper's leisure? Kyrie eleison.",
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"text": "Escalante! At last a familiar face!",
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"text": "I think my theory has something to it",
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"text": "John, I'm no Callicles for you questioning. I don't play the \"let me ask you something\" game",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Still at it? And this my friends is why there will be no online version of the TAC program any time soon. Facebook = THE worst way to have a discussion (especially with multiple participants)",
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"text": "I have actually had many good conversation via Facebook. Yet, I am sure you are right that there will not be an online version of the TAC program.",
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"text": "DO NOT IGNORE THE TROLL. Beat him pound him smash him. But to my questions, not one response and only one acknowledgement. Am i wrong to be skeptical of the boasts of TAC? It is slightly offputting. Color me disappointed.",
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"text": "Do you mean your question about the classroom method John?",
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"text": "I suppose, and I can't speak for anyone here, that your question seems wildly tangential to the \"is TAC bad at what it claims to do\" thread. Personally, I think \"Socratic method\" is a bad way of describing the typical TAC classroom",
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"text": "There is a history with the troll. Some of us have already had a 1000 comment thread with Scott (Peregrine) with some amazing discussion (on the alumni side) and absolutely no movement on his side. In fact, he escalates. The first time I engaged with him out of charity (to find the truth; to instruct the ignorant; and to down play his publicly offensive comments -- especially about the founders) but now I just don't engage.",
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"text": "^You take the high road^\nSome of us slog through the mud",
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"text": "John, let me ask you a question:\nWhat are the boasts of TAC?",
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"text": "John Ruplinger It's such a long thread, I don't know what you assert, question, or wonder about.",
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"text": "hardly tangential since it is the method claimed by tac grads and tutors. I raised both criticisms and alternatives. The lack of interested inquiry raises further concerns to the tac method vs. the Dumb Ox method which welcomed questions, considered and met objections, and took all sides like aristotle of any argument.",
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"text": ">> I raised both criticisms and alternatives.<<\nHow can one respond to them if he can't find them? Or easily read the context?\nThat's why I say this thread is TOO LONG.",
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"text": "i am sorry they are lost in the whirl of dead horse beatings.",
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"text": "And the TAC method is what again?\n(edit: 700!)",
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"text": "the boasts mb are scattered on this thread but why should i respond when tempered serious questions are ignored?",
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"text": "No, I'm being serious, for once.\nJohn Ruplinger I",
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"text": "So is this \"I won't respond because you won't\"?",
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"text": "d probably agree with much of what you say. I could give you serius and reasonable replies. But the thread is too long.",
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"text": "I was going to try to give you a serious response, but I think your question needs questioning",
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"text": "John asked about the Socratic method. He asked if there are any examples of dialogues between only 2 young people. He is opposing that to the teacher crafting a discussion with one person he is drawing out the lesson with.",
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"text": "I believe John was also one who put forward that learning is more passive than active (but that might have been the Ignatian education person above -- no idea of name now). The root of his question was whether or not the method used at TAC was effective (or even legit)?",
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"text": "I am really confused on why John hasn't restated his own questions since you have all asked him to in various ways. But there you go. He can now say I am misrepresenting him (or not)",
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"text": "TAC isn't the socratic method. It is more like the \"dumb ox\" he described above except all the scattered opinions and objections are from different sides of the table, since none of us have the wherewithal to keep it all in one mind",
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"text": "I would also say it varies from one tutor to another (and that is more true now than when I attended in 1990's). I have heard some shocking stories about how some classrooms are run. So -- it is hard to say \"TAC does this\" when tutors have their own flavour.",
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"text": "NO ONE HAS RESPONDED TO ONE QUESTION (except mb). I wont say mb because if memory serves u didnt make them and i dont expect u to defend another's brag. To Jason i cannot write 700 words from a phone. My guess is it starts at post 616",
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"text": "Qua! Qua! Qua!",
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"text": "^ That's the mating call of the second semester TAC sophomore.",
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"text": "TAC is neither Socratic method nor Scholastic method. It is Buchanan/Adler method, for better or for worse.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "I think John Ruplinger raises some good questions. John Senior makes a similar point in his thinly veiled polemic against TAC in The Restoration of Christian Culture. Mr Berquist too, was ready to concede the faults of the seminar method, especially for theology (and indeed the theology tutorial when taught by Berquist or Neumayr was de facto a lecture). On the other hand, the seminar method is very good for certain things.",
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"text": "I do think it would be much better if TAC stopped claiming to be \"Socratic\" anything",
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"text": "This ought to become a singles meet and greet forum, it'd be more fruitful.",
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"text": "But the seminar method is Socratic in the sense of \"de-sedimentizing\" concepts which people assume they understand when they don't. On the other hand, lead by a skilled tutor, it is an exciting way of uncovering what is implicit in what people already know, and in making distinct what they know confusedly.",
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"text": "(For both of the above see: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../charles-de-koninck.../)\nCharles De Koninck, Jacob Klein, and Socratic Logocentrism\nsancrucensis.wordpress.com\nThe bi-lingual Quebecois journal Laval th\u00e9ologique et philosophique, has recently uploaded its archives to the web. This was the organ of Laval School Thomism, and the early issues contain lots of ...",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Both in philosophy and in theology learning consists largely in making distinct what one already knows confusedly; in philosophy what one knows by \"common conceptions\" (see blogpost linked above), and in theology what one knows by the sensus fidelium (see: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../unwritten-tradition/)",
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"text": "That's the bell for vespers. I'm sure this thread will still be alive tomorrow, so till then.",
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"text": "Thanks to Matthew J. Peterson's wording in the header for the thesis title slideshow, we now have a thread with a higher word count than most of those thesis papers.",
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"text": "JA -- why do you say that about dropping Socratic? (curious)",
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"text": "Sorry Pater I think that's an awfully stretched sense of \"Socratic\" but I won't go into it further while you are vespering and thus unable to defend yourself",
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"text": "Unfollowing this thread. Good luck!",
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"text": "Escalante is right. The closest I ever experienced to \"Socratic\" at TAC was me explaining props to others stuck at the board in Euclid. Other than that, it was more of discussion method, again, for better or worse, and not counting Neumayr or Berquist.",
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"text": "It was, fondly, a little like Meno",
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"text": "my response vanished. I will try later. Reread if u will my questions if u have time. Reconsider. I'll restate them better later. For now. Why was he called the Dumb Ox? Thanks for the the thoughtful responses.",
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"text": "I always thought that a lot of the intra-TAC anguish about the program came from misleading advertising, as it were. People think that TAC proposes no positive teaching and that everything is left to students to discuss and decide for themselves, ala St. John's but with 4 years of \"theology\" tutorials. This was decidedly not my experience. At least not after the first two years.\nThe classroom method itself varies from tutor to tutor and it isn't really Socratic in any sense that Socrates (or even a law professor) would recognize.\nNor are the great books or the discussion methods the primary purpose of the school--at least not per Berquist or Neumayr. Some people bewailed this--too much Thomas, too much lecturing, not enough wonder. Personally, I was never much bothered by the fact that the school had an official (or quasi-official) doctrine.",
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"text": "I'm blocking Peregrine and unfollowing this thread. Sorry for any bad impressions I gave. I speak for myself and not on behalf of TAC or all TAC graduates, although I am much more thankful for my time there now than I used to be. This \"conversation,\" however, is mostly sound and fury - and I just remembered that I will have to answer for every idle word, as will we all.\nI wish you all the best - God bless and good luck. Keep the Faith!",
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"text": "For those who are actually still interested in the Socratic method, Mr Berquist left us this explanation: http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/a-libera.../why-socratic-method\nWhy the Discussion (Socratic) Method? | Thomas Aquinas College\nwww.thomasaquinas.edu\nOne of the distinguishing features of Thomas Aquinas College is its Discussion Method of teaching. Though the technique is as old as Socrates, it has never been in vogue. Nor is it today. The vast majority of colleges here and abroad use the lecture method. Yet what Socrates saw in it over 2,000 yea\u2026",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Neumayr (Sorry pedantry)",
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"text": "And reading another Berquist lecture (Learning & Discipleship) he says this (which pertains to this fb discussion): \"given the reputations of such lecturers {notorious dissenters and intellectual rogues}, those who attend might come expecting an intellectual brawl\u2014them against us\u2014and under such circumstances learning does not ordinarily take place. From disagreement, yes; from a brawl, less commonly.\" link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/.../Aquinas_Rev...",
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"text": "Someone should compile a quotable Berquist page. It might not be as popular as a quotable Molly Gustin one but much more valuable.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "ack! That was the first TAC lecture of my freshman year! That caused a veritable poo-storm among the stiff-necked and unruly student body",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Hilarious: \"Some of you, perhaps, will go back to your rooms and listen to the Grateful Dead or the Rolling Stones on your phonographs, and we regret that profoundly.\" (phonographs!!!??) Mr Berquist lecture",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Classic rock",
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"text": "the first confrontation I had with the head prefect was me listening to Minor Threat as loud as the stereo would go with the door locked. fun times.",
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"name": "Joe Zepeda",
"text": "Margaret Grimm Blackwell this was a few hundred comments ago, but here is an online copy. https://drive.google.com/.../0B0_uLICa.../edit...\nZepeda_Joseph_Raphael Senior Thesis.pdf - Google Drive\ndocs.google.com",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Shannon you are my favorite",
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"name": "Erik Bootsma",
"text": "For some reason I see this thread going on for so long and becoming so huge that eventually it will subsume all of the internets into itself. \nI think it may be the action of the world spirit coming to know itself.",
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"name": "Jonathan Monnereau",
"text": "Behold! The Leviathan!",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I appreciate the thoughts and consideration but i see little interest in discussion. I like TAC and all and am prone to hypercriticism. Several comments help me to understand better the situation. And hopefully the storm of post 666 is over.",
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"name": "Sean Plus",
"text": "Anne Schniederjan Can someone summarize this",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "A lengthy demonstration of the difference between discussion, debate, and thermonuclear troll warfare.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well, according to the wiki, lighting a troll on fire is the preferred method...",
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"name": "Erik Bootsma",
"text": "Or turn them into stone by drawing them into an argument so long that the sun comes up?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "go home Sceregritt Bonwienventureburg, you're drunk",
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"polarity": 153,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "you misspelled \"gangsta\" too. you really need spell check",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "hence the straw man",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "more straw men. Are you a farmer? Did they make scarecrows up in Canada?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "we have it on the grand authority of Scottrine Wienventure that they don't. Why argue with such an august interlocutor, master of repetition, insult and bold claim?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Can't do it. My tolerance for smarmy, self-satisfied, obnoxious, assume-what-you-prove, douchebaggery is limited. \nReal discussion is impossible, because things get way twisted through his pathological neurosis regarding TAC. I don't need to convince him, waste of time, but caution against anyone taking him seriously. The notion that he \"just wants to know\" blew out the window many threads ago",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "finally realized what this thread reminded me of http://online.wsj.com/.../SB10001424127887324904004578539...\nA Different Take on Reality TV: 18 Hours of Swimming Salmon\nonline.wsj.com\nNorwegians love their boring shows, from the progress of a ferry boat to a 30-hour interview.",
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"name": "Peter Halpin",
"text": "You all need to do something else. \nhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7tgX_Uaqs\nANCHORMAN Brick Killed A Guy\nhahahahahahahahahaha i dont own this. But this OWNS",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I wasn't trying to illuminate the faith, o pseudonymous troll",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "\"An Exception to Godwin's Law: On the Absence of Reductio ad Hitlerum Arguments in Long and Rancorous Online Discussions of the Titles of Undergraduate Theses From Small Catholic Liberal Arts Colleges\"",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "So many comments, and I still think Aaron Gigliotti had the best one: \"Do You Want to Share an Apartment in Pasadena: The Relationship Between Insular Catholic Colleges and the Failure to Launch.\"",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "JA Escalante, I agree that the meaning of \"Socratic\" is being a bit streched in my comment above, but not more than \"Socratic\" is usually streched.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "oh so *I'm* a scoffer but Mr Gigliotti isnt. I see how it is, Pater",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "I do think Joel HF has a good point about how some of the SJC inspired promotional material that the college uses is slightly misleading.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Here's how a real scoffer summarized the theology tutorial at TAC (I'm not making this up):\n\u00abFreshman year the TACer reads the Bible and thinks \"OMG this book is confusing; I'm glad I never have to read it again.\"\nSophomore year he reads Augustine against the Pelagians and thinks, \"OMG this is depressing! I'm probably going to Hell and can do nothing about it; I hate theology!\"\nJunior year he reads the Prima Pars and thinks: \"OMG! This makes so much sense!! I LOVE St Thomas!!!!! This is real theology! I'm never going to read anything except St Thomas ever again!!!! Thank you TAC for introducing me to this amazing writer! I Love my college!\"\u00bb </sarcasm>",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "But JA, were you thinking of something like Joel's point when you said TAC should avoid calling what it does in any way \"Socratic,\" or did you have something else in mind?",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "It's more than slightly misleading; it verges on false advertising, kind of like the non-existent horses in the old pamphlets from the 90s. But TAC itself is very confused about what it's up to. Contra the FB personage whom I still think might be Peterson in disguise, TAC most definitely teaches theology, lots of it, it just does much of that surreptitiously. Here's the thing: SJC has as the aim of the class to have thought well about something. TAC *says* that too, but really it has as its aim to have arrived at the truth of something. This certainly involves theology; except that its position as regina sc is very oddly related to the SJC method TAC imported. Too often,what one ends up with is neither fish nor fowl.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Basically, TAC classes and method are to Catholic wisdom what the State is to the Church on the Maritain model. Checkmate, Pater",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "But this is where I think my pet theory about the analogy of confused knowledge in philosophy and theology comes in.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Say more. I think Matthew gets cash from FB if this hits 800.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "What TAC really understands itself as doing (but alas this doesn't come across in the promotional material), is peripatetic discussion. Recall that Aristotle's works were not strictly lecture notes as the many foolishly assert, but actually discussion outlines for walking around and talking.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "um why did we never stroll for class then",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Because we were co-ed and girls like to chat sitting down.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "so, TAC understands itself AS A ROSARY WALK? It all makes sense now!",
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"text": "\"peripatetic\" ahem ahem",
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"text": "but seriously...TAC half-understands what its doing as peripatetic discussion. But it also half-understands itself as teaching Catholic wisdom. It just leaves the relation of those two in practice to ad hoc improv on the part of tutors",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "No but seriously: here's my theory in philosophy learning is a matter of making distinct the very certain but confused and implicit knowledge that we have of the world. Ch. 1 of the Physics and all that jazz... Theology is a matter of clarifying the Revelation of Christ that is present in a very certain but confused way in the Apostolic tradition: \"Thus the Apostles had the fullness of revealed knowledge, a fullness which they could as little realize to themselves, as the human mind, as such, can have all its thoughts present before it at once.\" (Newman) So there is no opposition between paripatetic discussion and Catholic Wisdom.",
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"text": "I think there are several questions you've raised. What is TAC doing? (good question) Does TAC understand what it is doing? (I kind of think who cares to this one -- except when it comes to final cause) and most importantly, Is what it is doing effective?",
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"text": "\"Theology is a matter of clarifying the Revelation of Christ that is present in a very certain but confused way in the Apostolic tradition\" Pater Edmund\nIs that you or Newman talking? I kind of agree. Except it sounds more accurate to say seminal in place of 'confused'.",
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"text": "But if Newman said that\u2026 I might have to just agree. ",
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"text": "JA Escalante writes \"SJC has as the aim of the class to have thought well about something. TAC *says* that too, but really it has as its aim to have arrived at the truth of something.\" I think that is precisely the difference between socratic and peripatetic discussion. SJC is Socratic; TAC is peripatetic. So I agree that the Perpatetic Socratic amounts to false advertising.",
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"text": "Jody Haaf Garneau: the \"confused\" part was from me; I'm OK with seminal.",
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"text": "Pater, no opposition between peripatetic method and the substance of Catholic wisdom. But TAC isn't entirely peripatetic; it has time constraints and wants to get at the truth in a hurry if necessary. We've all seen this, and it's bad. It would be better and more honest to just lecture in that case. Too, TAC isn't just method; its a curriculum, and the curriculum as it stands doesn't really have theology as regina scientiarum; it sort of can't. Like I said, it's in more of a Maritainian State to Church relation.",
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"text": "Well, theology is Regina in two senses: the other sciences are ordered to her, and she is the judge of them. I think the TAC curriculum embodies the former and towards the end gets you to see the later, but without actually embodying the later much.",
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"text": "I think what TAC is trying to do is nearly impossible (and very heroic!) because the students are for the most part poorly prepared to receive it. So not only do they want to achieve a certain level of learning by the end, but they have to prepare the foundation in the students (or even more -- remove the impediments to learning) before proceeding. It is remarkable what they can do with a class of mostly publicly educated students in modern America in merely 4 years.\nThe learning model they emulate (classical model) never had such an uphill battle to fight.\nI bristle at the accusation of the arrogance of the founders because the older I become, the more I am in awe of their humility to be willing to read and let me (and my classmates) make attempts at discussions on such lofty matters. Seriously -- maybe I could have benefited from more lectures -- but not really in the long run.",
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"text": "But flesh out the Maritain Church/State analogy a bit more.",
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"text": "I mean there's no architectonic relation. The curriculum is self-standing",
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"text": "I'm not saying that people can't put it all together; they can and do. But it's not built into the ratio studiorum",
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"text": "anyhow we all know that the REAL regina scientiarum at TAC is math",
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"text": "I mean consider: no one really gets thrown out for not cutting it in freshman theology; freshman math is the only severe criterion",
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"text": "The Berquist - Steadman Dialogue is very relevant here.",
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"text": "yes Mr Berquist had a clear conception of what he was up to. I'd just say that TAC as a whole never did, and never consistently embodied that \"tutorial\" idea",
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"text": "But even Mr Berquist never managed to make theology loom large; \"theology\" in TAC practice meant bits of Thomas, not read in particularly useful order. Seriously, how many TAC grads came out being able to say anything about, for instance, the question of infused contemplation (unless they chose to write a thesis on it)? But that kind of thing is crucial to Catholic theology. Or, how many could name the theories of Incarnation, and which of them are considered orthodox and which aren't?",
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"text": "I remember going over to the Berquists house once (I think sophomore year) and Mrs B asked me\" \"What's your favorite class this year?\" I hesitated and Mr B said \"You're supposed to say theology.\"",
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"text": "But you guys aren't getting what he is saying about the 'whole' -- there are different ways for theology to be primary. It is that to which the program is ordered. Being the #1 reason for failing isn't one of them.",
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"text": "817: tell us about the cash Matthew J. Peterson\u2014how much did you get?",
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"text": "Jody Haaf Garneau, no that's true, but the fact that so many more graduates seem to want to study philosophy than theology in grad school \u2014is that actually true? or am I just making that up? Idk \u2014anyway, if it is true it would support JA's point.",
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"text": "Does it? It might be more a sign of their maturity after 4 years. Or the practical options for grad school. (options for financial opportunities or lack of are likely similar)",
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"text": "Fair enough: http://youtu.be/TjHbuPkUKUY?t=6m26s\nHow to Become a Superstar Student at Thomas Aquinas College",
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"text": "Latest post on this thread's fanpage.\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nQuestions for Socratic discussion:\n1) Is the Neverending Thread a part of Sacred Theology per se or per accidens?\n2) What is its relation to Aristotle's doctrine of the eternity of the heavens?\n3) Would Fabre consider it an organism?\n4) If the Thread goes on forever, can it be bisected?\n5) Is it a continuous quantity, or an ensemble of discrete units?\n6) What would the Founding Fathers have said about it? \n7) Would you like to go with me for a rosary walk?",
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"text": "I think we are all bored. Or have really big things to do like Edward's thesis.",
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"text": "I have been reflecting on the current discussion and some previous remarks by the troll and I have come to this: \nIt seems to me that the fullness of theology and the assent unto is found in the mass, and nowhere else. (This is taught, perhaps more clearly, or at least more often, in the Eastern tradition). The fulness of the faith does not consist in a body of written (or unwritten) doctrine. Perhaps this is why Our Lord says, \"If you had faith the size of a mustard seed...\"\nThat being said, the study of Sacred Doctrine in a formalized manner can and ought to advance one's relationship with God. We do not study contemplation in a formalized way, because it is not the sort of thing that really can be, unless one is brought to it by God. The reason for this is that teaching properly involves only the ordering of concepts in the order of learning so that the student's intellect can properly receive them. A teacher cannot, properly speaking, move the will. A teacher can (and probably should) do certain things to attempt to positively dispose the will of the student, but in the end, the will can only be moved by God. Thus, Pater Edmund, when Berquist said that Theology ought to be your answer when asked \"What is your favorite class' maybe that is because your response said more about you and the disposition of your will. \nThis is a dangerous type of argument to make, namely, \"If you were good enough you would realize how good something is, and if you're not, then you won't.\" However, given the excellence of the course material that we study in theology, I feel confident in making such an argument.",
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"text": "Further, JA Escalante, I object to the position that the admissions office never really got what the school was about. At least when my father-in-law, Tom Susanka was head of admissions I know that he would confer with the founders, particularly McArthur and Berquist about the school and what was essential to it, often. There are few alive today, I believe, who have a better appreciation of what the school is and is supposed to be than my father-in-law. That being said, I am not sure that is true of all those who were/are responsible for advertisement, nor necessarily for the admissions office today.",
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"text": "At some point Mr Coughlin (dean at the time) decided he had to do something about wrong expectations, and had the admissions people send the blue book to all applicants. It didn't make much difference.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/2dP54XzK1ok\nMan Faced Ox Progeny - Down Our Way\nA little clip from 2004 at Thomas Aquinas College. This barbershop quartet was excellent. They could have been big... maybe they still can...",
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"text": "Daniel, that's just special pleading. The RCC has always regarded its theology as a textual corpus insofar as it is ecclesia docens",
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"text": "I grant that Mr Susanka knows what the school is about, or what it wants to be about; I think the problem was a) an unintentionally misleading use of \"Socratic\", and \"discussion method\" by Admissions, and b) problems inherent in the ratio studiorum which he might not have noticed, or if he did, might have just chalked up to human frailty. No one's fault",
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"text": "but I'm biased by my own experience. I left TAC for DSPT after two years because I wanted scholastic formation in its proper method. Let me tell you, learning logic (esp John of St Thomas) by lecture method felt like heaven after slogging through the Organon in \"discussion method\". But TAC still manages to work wonders despite what seems to me its somewhat ramshackle ratio, and I feel mostly patriotic feelings toward it",
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"text": "You may be right. Something to think about also: TAC was wholly new. Nothing of its kind ever existed. I suppose we should not be surprised if the ratio and practice differ somewhat. \nHere is another way to put it: How else could the school explain to people what it was doing? All the terms: \"Socratic,\" \"Discussion method,\" \"Peripatetic,\" etc., all fall short. Socratic, and Discussion method, however, are close and they also are familiar enough in the preexisting academic categories that they seem to be reasonable choices for use.",
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"text": "What!? JA Escalante, you left TAC after TWO YEARS? No wonder you think the ratio studiorum doesn't make sense; the sense doesn't begin to become clear till JUNIOR YEAR. Dude, GO BACK AND FINISH THE PROGRAM AT ONCE.",
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"text": "I'm serious. This explains all the things that have puzzled me about your FB comments. Eg. I now understand your bizarre take on Klein on Descartes: OH! YOU NEVER DID JUNIOR MATH!",
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"text": "Why is there no \"dislike\" button on FB? I need to dislike this comment: https://www.facebook.com/matth.../posts/10152587096221508...\nOnly because it reveals that Escalante MISSED OUT. My dear sir, go back, go back, go back.",
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"text": "By the way, JA Escalante - there were horses at TAC when I was there ('93 grad) so the advertising material was not misleading. \nThere is a lot I could say on the topic of the TAC program... Now, and on this thread, is probably not the time. \nI'll just make one parting comment: all these anecdotes about the program of study from one who supposedly attempted it several times and never finished, another who attempted it for two years and quit and another who has never even met a graduate of the program leave me grateful that I learned the limits of personal experiences while studying at TAC.",
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"text": "Also, given how befuddled Stedman et al. were, it is hard to think that one could get the true purpose across in an ad in the National Review. Can you blame the school for, how shall I say ... emphasizing the easier to understand aspects of the curriculum there? After all, plenty of people come year after year expecting little math and lots of literature. The school could hardly be more explicit about exactly what is studied.",
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"text": "Fair enough.",
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"text": "Joel, I wonder if comparing what graduates study after TAC is a fair assessment of the curriculum, or rather it speaks to the type of person who will suffer through 4 years of TAC.....",
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"text": "both. Some are predisposed. Others redirected. What else are they good for? (The modern world is unkindly disposed toward a more genuine liberal arts grad. Its a real problem. The traditional jobs are closed off. SJC has other probs but TAC would fit in a more sane world.)",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "I remember speaking to Dr. Neumayr once when I was in the thick of bearing 6 children and before I went to graduate school to study Theology. \nHe told me I was using my education exactly as it was meant to be used: living my life and being a good Mom. \nStudying Theology doesn't say a lot about anything. \nHow many graduates are striving for holiness? Teaching the faith to their own children? Volunteering at their parish? Another question entirely....",
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"text": "hextuplets!",
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"text": "I do have a response to Marie, but it's better not to say it (it could provoke another good 300 comments) . Suffice it to say her complaint I think is legitimate in my judgement.",
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"text": "You read her point as a complaint?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia (or is it spelled Bethea? ;-)), I think that's true too. And I'd wager there are more TAC alumns w/ STEM post-grad degrees than literature. Could be wrong about that though.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Who is Ellit? I don't think I had to read him",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "What's wrong with reading Eliot? or Freud?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I just checked, they read Elliot at Christendom too. Is there no college left that will magisterially magisterium the fullness of magisterium?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Magisterium your magisterial mouth Joel!",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Tinbergen.",
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"text": "Christendom Phil327..... studies Freud. How cavalier!",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "\"holistic sacred theology\"? Is that like healing crystals?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Pater, I actually picked up a copy of \"Curious Naturalists\" by Tinbergen at a library book sales a few years back. Really interesting.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "\u00abThe philosophical disciplines are to be taught in such a way that the students are first of all led to acquire a solid and coherent knowledge of man, the world, and of God, relying on a philosophical patrimony which is perennially valid and taking into account the philosophical investigations of later ages. This is especially true of those investigations which exercise a greater influence in their own nations. Account should also be taken of the more recent progress of the sciences. The net result should be that the students, correctly understanding the characteristics of the contemporary mind, will be duly prepared for dialogue with men of their time.\u00bb (Vatican II, Optatam Totius)",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "waaaaaay too magisterial.",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "some of the tutors at TAC are literature Grads. . .",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "https://archive.org/details/LearningAndDiscipleship\nLearning And Discipleship : Marcus Berquist : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive\nA lecture at Thomas Aquinas College",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "so mocking Elliot with pulp movie garbage is sacred holistic crystal healing theology?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "so you're subscribing to the idea that in order to teach something you need to be specifically trained in that subject, right?",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "\u00ab But where there is no wanting, there is a word.\nWhich word wants not I want.\nWant which word wants not.\nThe words of this word, my prophecy.\nA scroll unfolding and rolling up, revealing\nThe beast in the word as the word, and the word\nMade and the word made man. Yet\nIn the world by word made the word.\nHoney to tasting, bitter to belly.\nHow shall I speak the end? The end is the word. \u00bb",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "\u00ab Much I want to say, unsaid,\nUnsayable, much I must say,\nIf say anything, but you tire.\nI should speak in tongues, which,\nNot knowing, you\u2019d more understand\nThat you misunderstand me. \u00bb",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^I have no idea what you're typing about^\nDoes anyone know a literature PhD (preferably English literature, preferably 20th century) to explain this to me?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Related probably to nothing, I have always been struck by Augustine's interpretation of taking the gold from Egypt: All good, true, and beautiful things belong to Christianity. Somethings, to be sure, more evidently than others, but my oh my, what a poor world it would be if theologians did not read Eliot.",
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"name": "Jason Van Boom",
"text": "I was at TAC WHEN THERE WERE HORSES.\nWhen there was only one permanent building!\nI was there in its hard, gritty days. The frontier days.\nAll these young whippersnappers have only known the luxury of permanent shelters.... Could they quickly saddle up and ride when a lookout cries, \"WASC is coming! WASC is coming!\"\nJA Escalante",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Jason Van Boom",
"text": "Finally, I agree with Peregrine on something!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "per accidens or per se?",
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"name": "Jason Van Boom",
"text": "Per accidens. I'm an infidel.",
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"text": "^^ 2nd time I've agreed with him.",
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"text": "I enjoy the poetry of Elliot, but I don't agree with Peregott on principle",
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"name": "Jason Van Boom",
"text": "'Twas brillig, and the slithey toves\nDid gyre and gimble in the seminar.\nAll mimsy were the borogoves,\nAnd the mome raths cried \"Qua!!\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "pretty sure i was i was excommunicated by pope peregrine. It was invalid though and he didnt usf the book ,bell and candle even. Why me?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "You're not missing much. He's just quoting Elliot right now",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "John Ruplinger, you suggested above that it is dangerous for one's soul to study theology unless one has taken the Evangelical Councils. I would like to see some discussion of this. What do people think? Is it OK for lay-people and diocesan priests to study theology? Or should it be the exclusive preserve of vowed religious as JR suggests? Surely everyone has to know SOME theology, but I guess that JR meant that only religious should study it scientifically. John Ruplinger: do you think that liberal arts colleges whose students are lay people ought to have no theology classes. What exactly is the claim here?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "that's quite the dig at TAC tutors: \"unemployable Renaissance man masquerading as a Victorian man of leisure (without inheritance)\"\nperhaps some might say that educating is a higher calling. But someone whose main thrust is \"magisterium magisterium magisterium\" wouldn't understand that.",
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"text": "to restate: say what you will about the merits or drawbacks of the curriculum, style, culture etc. of TAC, but to personally attack the people working there seems a new low",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well, not new",
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"text": "I should revise that. I agree with the old school that theology ought to be limited for lay folks. I haven't studied the matter. I only see the effects. I certainly wouldn't limit Diocesan priests. They, however, are under a stricter obedience and generally have the faculty of preaching from the bishop. So its not so much Evangelical Councils. I see big problems with the proliferation of lay theologians (lots of mini-popes we have these days.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Like Peregrott Weinavenburg?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "TAC introduces theology. We don't want to enter into a 2000 comment thread with a bunch of amateur know it all theologians like me. Suffice to say I used to like Newman a bunch. I still love his little essay on Elementary Education: it's brilliant and thought provoking. However, I regard his development (written while Anglican) as condemned and very very dangerous (by the Syllubus of St. Pius IX). Watch out for fireworks now.",
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"text": "LIS I was ANATHEMITIZED (pretty sure) by pope Peregrinne (amateur lay theologian). SO what does Peregrine think of the distinction of remote vs. proximate Magesterium. What is the Magisterium? THAT might clear up a lot of the troll beatings going on here.",
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"text": "you cannot get him to define it. It has been tried. Any question on that front provokes the \"see TAC doesn't teach sacred theology\" again.\nand again\nand again",
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"text": "Has he read Pastor Aeternus?",
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"text": "beats me",
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"text": "I would argue that Dei Verbum in fact endorses Bl. John Henry Newman's theology of development (which is what lead him out of Anglicanism). What part do you think is irreconcilable with the Syllabus?",
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"text": "It's his understanding of development",
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"text": "It's wrong",
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"text": "it's condemned by the Syllabus almost verbatim at points.",
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"text": "Doctrines are not \"developed\" like Newman says",
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"text": "Rather they are the same in the beginning as now, some literally the same; others indistinctly as you Pater Edmund) note in your essay linked elsewhere.",
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"text": "The problem with Newman's development:",
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"text": "Is that it opens the door to changing doctrines which is impossible.",
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"text": "((((shhhhh....... Dei Verbum has some probs...... but I haven't read it in a long while))))))) I remember when I taught Scripture the first time, I went digging in Dei Verbum and others more recent. I was very disappointed because I was clueless as to WHAT the Church teaches.",
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"text": "I wish I had read more closely Providentissimus Deus because it's very very clear there and so helpful.",
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"text": "It's not so much like seeds, Pater Edmund, as it is like an already sapling tree that grows new branches with time. The problem with development (as modernly understand) is that it is an easy tool for the full blown modernists to use to overturn unchangeable doctrine: they do it and they have done it.",
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"text": "I thought Newman's development was not that something that was doctrine could no longer be doctrine but rather along the lines of the development of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (and the development of understanding and clarity within different doctrines)",
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"text": "But did the Immaculate Conception ever \"develop\" or was it always there but merely debated??? that is the question (edit: the only development would be with our better understanding of conception and more certitude as to when the soul comes into existence)",
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"text": "Clarity, yes. Development, no. Read the Syllabus of Errors. Some of what passes as standard fare is condemned in it (and rightly because it leads to CHANGE of doctrine which is impossible because Truth cannot change over time)",
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"text": "The history of theology is nothing but development on our end - but - even worse! - it is development ever born of heresy, and reaction to heresy before it is even determined to be such, and after - heresy which is new every morning and thus timeless! And this development is born of crisis, amidst brutal and emotional politics, and intertwined with so much other than the pursuit of truth in the abstract: much like, for instance, this very thread.\nAnd yet our view of the Truth does change over time: and this is a traditional thing to say, because it is manifestly true, and does not entail that what truly is changes with our whims.",
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"text": "That's Newman's take which everyone now says.",
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"text": "A very basic knowledge is all that is needed: the cartoon of static stasis is absurd.\nWhat serious aspect of the Faith since Christ ascended wasn't hammered out by human beings confronting heresy that wasn't even understood as heresy yet?\nWhere has there NOT been development?\nThis fear of development reveals an failure to comprehend theology itself.\nFrom St. Peter grappling with *whether non-Jews could even become Christians at all* on out to the right understanding of the Trinity. \nWe all need to take some meat with our milk.",
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"text": "you got me Matthew. But would you say that the apostles didn't understand that Christ was the same substance as the Father until LATER WAS invented the word homoousios? [what I meant to say, Matthew]",
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"text": "I think it helped lead to the VII myself, and the very parts that the defenders of the Syllabus hate most of all.",
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"text": "(putting my tiara back on) You have it all backwards Matthew. nononono. I just don't know what I can say to help you see things otherwise. I don't know whether we can come to an agreement on things. And perhaps, talking about it from this angle is unhelpful.....since we're debating from conclusions and not premises.",
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"text": "Michael, I have read almost every VII and many of Paul VI documents and JPII. Especially the former I've combed through many in Latin. WE HAVE AT THE LEAST very very serious problems with writing precisely....but I'm afraid more than that too. As von Hildebrand pointed out (in a letter to Michael Davies long after he wrote Trojan Horse), we do not have to accept most of these documents (they do not have the kind of authority folks thing they do ---- that's the pastoral provision, esp. in the nota previa). Anywho, hope I don't \"scandalize\" too many. But we've got really really serious problems that aren't just because trads are crunchy.",
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"text": "right because trad = catholics",
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"text": "what's the heresy being fought in Lumen Fidei?",
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"text": "It's just that many many non-trads are not catholic.",
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"text": "^you're one of them^?",
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"text": "what doctrine is being defined, or heresy fought?",
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"text": "that's stupid Michael.",
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"text": "so I guess you're saying \"none\"",
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"text": "What is Lumen Fidei? What is your question?",
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"text": "no, it is an encyclical. What is the point of it?",
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"text": "Oh, I didn't read that. I haven't read new Encycs in a few years.",
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"text": "(wink wink- nudge nudge) don't assume we're all always arguing",
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"text": "Maybe I should ask everyone:\nWHAT IS THE POINT OF THE ENCYCLICAL, LUMEN FIDEI?",
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"text": "indeed.............what is the point? that is often the question. Do we have more or less clarity. It's like an \"undevelopment\" of the faith. i just want a brick wall I can beat my head against sometimes when I look at the confused world. Does anyone read Jacob Klein's \"ON PRECISION\" anymore. Great piece: explains everything you need to know about so much that is written.",
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"text": "I suppose \"love is the core of faith\" is probably important to focus on, St. Paul didn't say too much about it. (this is sarcasm) (edited to make sarcasm more clear)",
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"text": ".............. I wonder why",
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"text": "^...sorry, what?",
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"text": "maybe I can't distinguish sarcasm from reality anymore.",
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"text": "in other news, I just popped open Newman to give you guys his five definitions for \"development\" and then you moved on so I am a little disappointed.",
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"text": "life IS disappointment ",
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"text": "thanks for the update, Buddha.",
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"text": "I was just kidding. I think that's from Princess Bride, I haven't read Buddha. ",
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"text": "... I was just ribbing you, sir, haha.",
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"text": "1052",
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"text": "On Faith. Here's a pretty good explanation. I DON\"T know why everything needs to be brought up date, unless that just means brought up to our current state of absolute frickin unbelievable state of confusion. http://www.cin.org/.../ebooks/master/trent/tcreed00.htm\nTHE CATECHISM OF TRENT: The Creed -- Introduction\nwww.cin.org\nThe Catechism of Trent",
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"text": "Can I wax nostalgic for 1 page encyclicals?",
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"text": "or is that too \"grumpy pope\"?",
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"text": "Just started reading the Catechism of Trent a few months ago AND if that isn't precisely like the remedy for our age, I don't know what is. very precise (and hard hitting) and YES MICHAEL WHY ARE THEY ALL SO DAMN RAMBLING LONG!!!",
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"text": "Wasn't rambling the criticism by Garagou Lagrange of a certain dissertaion of a certain.......",
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"text": "http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm\nUNAM SANCTAM\nwww.papalencyclicals.net\nUrged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins, as the Spouse in the Canticles [Sgs 6:8] proclaims:\u2026",
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"text": "Nina: POST THEM.\nThis is the thread that *never* ends - so we don't \"move on\" or \"move back\" here.\nPut aside your time bound anxieties here on the thread that never ends, Nina Rachele\nPost.\nPost and be free.",
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"text": "There are 5 senses of \"development of ideas\" which Newman thinks can be used in Christian Doctrine: political, logical, historical, moral, and metaphysical",
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"text": "...............theological ???",
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"text": "who is Nina Gapinski? and will they feel uncomfortable being tagged in this post?",
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"text": "Peterson: we move in a circle",
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"text": "the eternal return of the same, a wise fellow remarked 900 comments ago",
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"text": "Sorry Nina Rachele - tagged wrong person.",
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"text": "I love GRUMPY OLD POPES. DEAR GOD, PLEASE GRANT US AGAIN YOUR GRUMPY OLD POPES. UNAM SANCTAM is short and sweet ",
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"text": "\"[...] metaphysical developments; I mean such as are a mere analysis of the idea contemplated, and terminate in its exact and complete delineation [...] in the sacred provinces of theology, the mind may be employed in developing the solemn ideas, which it has hitherto held implicitly and without subjecting them to its reflecting and reasoning powers.\" pg 52, Ch1 section 9",
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"text": "No worries, Mr. Peterson, I just thought she might be a little surprised to be tagged...",
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"text": "I really miss the stakeburnings too.",
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"text": "I have a big \"huh?\" next to most of the ethical development passage... \"Ethical developments are not properly matter for argument and controversy, but are natural and personal, substituting what is congruous, pious, appropriate, generous, for strictly logical inference.\" pg 47 ch 1 section 6. The main example he gives later is \"The Holy Eucharist\" which I think refers generally to the development whereby He was reserved in the Tabernacle, and then the later development of Eucharistic adoration.",
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"text": "Don't need to quote historical developments, it just means finding the right dates of things that happened in Scripture.",
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"text": "Here is Newman, post Syllabus Errorum, trying to undermine said syllabus: http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f057_Newman_2.htm\nNewman and the Pope - Part II by James Larson\nwww.traditioninaction.org\nJohn Henry Newman undermines the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX",
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"text": "He led a campaign to undermine it because he KNEW that he held (at least at one time) many of the things condemned.",
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"text": "Logical developments also don't really have one place for their definition, just that \"the intellectual process is detached from the practical, and posterior to it.\" From his examples, I think he's mostly referring to when certain practices or ideas are held just as empty words in one generation, then in the next the actual spirit of the words gets taken up as a real thing. A good example might be the civil rights movement insisting on actual equality a hundred years after it was granted to them in principle.",
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"text": "Nina Rachele, huh is right. A careful examination of his epistemology leads to real problems. (I haven't read his Grammar of Assent.) I trust Laron's account of it here. He's fundamentally nominalist it seems to me, which is very problematic for ALL dogmas of the faith.",
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"text": "http://www.waragainstbeing.com/partvi\nPart VI: Does God Love Us: An Examination of the Epistemology of John Henry Newman | The War...\nwww.waragainstbeing.com\n\"Every best gift, and every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of alteration.\" (James 1: 17)",
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"text": "By political development he is talking about the development of church government from, say, Peter-->bishops to pope-->bishops+curia, various other church governing bodies.",
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"text": "::drops mike::",
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"text": "No, Nina, his epistemology is modernist (as condemned in Pascendi). He is adulated today because he espoused immanentism, which necessarily leads to the devaluation (if not destruction) of dogma and contributes to their changeability.",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger, just for clarification, my \"huh?\" next to the ethical development passage was because he was quoting a verbose bishop as some kind of example and it flew right over my head.",
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"text": "Yeah, Nina, it's been a loong while since I read him. LIS he is the protoevangelist for the modernist. full. stop. end sentence. period. It's why everyone is all Newman said this, Newman said that. ......... yeah, he says some good stuff, but upon close inspection..... TO YOUR ETHICS, however, this appears consonant with Newman's epistemology. He holds almost a double truth. But LIS, I haven't read him in awhile.",
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"text": "Now this is actually going somewhere!",
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"text": "I'm out for a while.",
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"text": "Lauren Ogrodnick: this isn't \"going anywhere.\" \nThis thread just is. \nTo be sure, we are in time in relation to it. So we may go somewhere based on our interaction with it. But it itself is outside of time, in time only by operation.",
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"text": "now that I have provided you all with this information, may I suggest you take his definition of metaphysical development as the primary definition of development and discuss further from there. So, if I were actually asking the opening question at this point, I would open to that quote and ask \"Is this wrong? Is it consonant with Church teaching?\" Just so you know, the main example he gives of metaphysical development is the Athanasian Creed--can we characterize the Creed in that way? \nUm, I need to go study for my paralegal class now, so catch you folks on the flip side...",
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"text": "Okay Proclus ...",
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"text": "What is immanentism?",
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"text": "jhf read pascendi. I will summarize ltr.",
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"text": "Nina, I don't know you, but I like you already.",
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"text": "Random sidebar: Still not sure why Peregrine insists on mispelling Beitia's name....",
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"text": "One of life's finer mysteries Megan",
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"text": "It probably goes back to comment 127",
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"text": "Nina, as to his \"metaphysical\" development, as he states it thus quoted, shouldn't he just say \"logical\" development instead. It seems a misuse of the term metaphysical, if what he is saying is just drawing out conclusions from other propositions we know by Faith. He seems to be mystifying what should be straight forward. But is this all that Newman means? ......and for that, you're going to have me look elsewhere.",
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"text": "Joel HF, immanence signifies the divine presence in all people or all people. It is pantheistic, often signified contemporarily as \"divine experience\" found in all religions. It often accompanies the belief in universal salvation. De Chardin comes to mind.",
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"text": "Twenty year olds are for the most part intellectual babies and should be coddled and spoon fed. One of my architecture professors once told us that architecture was \"an old man's game\" and I think the same is basically true of theology (and philosophy).\nUnless you are thinking of re-introducing old medieval-style disputations, which I admit do sound exciting.\nMr. Ruplinger, I really want to try and understand what you are saying but it might take me some time to get through what you've posted.",
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"text": "Wow...I return to this thread to find it exploded....somewhere I was tagged, but FB is too stupid to take me directly to that comment....so I had to dig a bit to find it, only to find that much has expired since. And I am afraid by the time I catch up and think on it, I will be in the dust again. But if I can make a general observation on Newman....Mr. Ruplinger points to Newman's epistemology. That is the heart of the issue.\nI loved Newman when I first read him, his Apologia pro vita sua namely. I was turned off when I read the Grammar of Assent. For those familiar with the analytic tradition of philosophy, you will recognize that in Newman, even though he actually predated it. Many of the same principles held by Frege and other analytics prevail in Newman. It is not as favorable to logic though in the direction he takes it. People have use \"personalism\" but a better description might be a methodological nominalism...actually, scratch that. He was straight up nominalist. Universals, in his mind, were just vague generlities, that need not even apply in the concrete.\nTake \"man is rational\" For Newman that might be a justified generalization, but he will say that doesn't mean all men are rational\nBut let us here his own words:\n\"Since, as a rule, men are rational, progressive, and social, there is a high probability of this rule being true in the case of a particular person; but we must know him to be sure of it.\" (Grammar of Assent, chap. 8 \u00a71 par. 2)\nWe can only, then, really know individuals. Only \"facts in the concrete\"\nIf you want to read for yourself more: http://www.newmanreader.org/works/grammar/chapter8-1.html\nNewman Reader - Grammar of Assent - Chapter 8\nwww.newmanreader.org\n{259} I is the conditional acceptance of a proposition, Assent is the unconditional; the object of Assent is a truth, the object of Inference is the truth-like or a verisimilitude. The problem which I have undertaken is that of ascertaining how it comes to pass that a conditional act leads to an unc\u2026",
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"text": "Now, how does is epistemology affect his theory on the development of doctrine? That shouldn't be too hard to see that it must, in some measure...the very concerns in both works being along the same lines...but it might be a dissertation to analyse it fully.",
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"text": "Christopher Wolfe do you have thoughts re analytics and Newman above?",
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"text": "Do note, lastly, that Newman was quite idiotic in his naive rejections of much of scholastic principles. If you read the link I gave, you will tell readily that his rejection of universals rests on the sort of prima facie reading that a teenager might give to \"man is rational.\" Namely that he may be irrational. But that is to misunderstand what is claimed, rather badly at that.\nBut he didn't have TAC to hook him on Aristotle and Aquinas... he was in the tradition of Bacon and Locke instead",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz: what is the alternative document, author, view, etc,, as you see it, to Newman when it comes to explain the historical fact of the widely developing doctrine of the Church over time - from the early Church determining whether or not it should admit non-Jews to the finer points of the Trinity, etc.",
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"text": "Peterson, isn't it self evident that the truth unfolds over time?",
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"text": "thank you Joshua",
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"text": "I've been following this thread since the beginning (and, for what it's worth, am one of the ugly mugs from the original article way up there, who apparently spent last year in \"idle speculation\"). I fear this discussion of Newman is not a genuine development from what was contained seminally at the beginning of this thread; that is to say, we seem to be dangerously close to a polite, consistent, and sane intellectual discussion. It seems to me that the early Thread Fathers might not approve.",
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"text": "On the contrary Sean Robertson: the early thread fathers all agreed about everything and had everything figured out.\nIn fact, they began the submagisterium of this thread, which is a static block of truth that needs to be used to hit everyone here over the head, repeatedly, until they see things the way I see the early thread fathers.",
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"text": "you're gonna \"develop\" yourself right into a doctrine of Divine Quaternity or some mess",
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"text": "Mr. Peterson, not a clue. I am not sure if Newman was the first (always a dangerous claim!) but he is certainly the most prominent person to put forward a theory of \"development.\" I mean, obviously earlier scholastics recognized some sort of development. Such is implicit in the debates about what can constitute dogma. e.g. if the minor premise is de fide, but the major is from reason, is the conclusion capable of being de fide? Do both premises have to be? Just major? Without getting into an argument about the roles of syllogisms in dogma, such arguments presume the possibility of discursive reason discovering truth that are de fide, from one or more premises already known de fide. And as such a growth in understand and knowledge. We can say more particular truths are contained in more universal truths, and if you want Newman's terminology, the more universal ideas would become seminal ideas.\nNow this is just off the cuff, so take it with a grain of salt. But does it not seem that Newman's rejection of syllogistic reasoning (except as giving mere probability), universals (let alone truths more universal containing particulars), etc. make the question of development something that required a book to try and defend and try and avoid something like evolution of dogma? If you hold the ability to have universals and reason with certitude from them to other propositions, doesn't the problem largely disappear? While admitting that the historical process was messy, and not necessarily accomplished without a bunch of groping and feeling.",
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"text": "Joshua, the first developmentalist in the Newman sense was probably Petavius, who was countered by the Protestant Bishop Bull (who was congratulated by Bossuet, as I recall, for his efforts)",
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"text": "JAson, Peterson is a heretic. His animist writings on the \"spirit of the bear\" have been roundly condemned",
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"text": "I discerned his wickedness the day I met him",
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"text": "I have to ask, though, as a protestant, do you see doctrine developing a la Newman?",
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"text": "absolutely not",
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"text": "is the reform of the reform (in your mind) something nascent in Christianity?",
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"text": "but that is not really a conversation for this thread. Let's stick to Peterson's wickedness",
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"text": "fair enough. I'll message you some other time.....",
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"text": "if I were Catholic I would regard Newman's epistemology and developmentalism as a trojan horse; I'll say that much, Message me privately",
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"text": "Well Matthew J. Peterson, I'm in the same boat as Joshua since I haven't been following this massive number of comments, but I'll throw in my 2 bits. Joshua's quote from Newman which he described as \"nominalist\" might be nominalist but then again not. The way I would describe that Newman quote is: \"set-theory,\" and yes, it is quite similar to what analytics such as Gottlob Frege say because predicate logic involves \"sets,\" not universals. However philosopher who accepts set theory and predicate logic needn't be a \"set theory nominalist,\" and can be very close to holding an Aristotelian theory of universals depending on what he says about necessity and possibility- Peter Geach and GE Anscombe are the best examples of that sort of thing. Anscombe wrote and accepted ALOT of what Aristotle claims, but never herself accepted his theory of the forms in his writings as far as I can tell. That's why she doesn't necessarily think of the soul as the form of the body, and wrote essays like \"Immortality of the Soul\" arguing that when we die we could be resurrected without anything like Aristotle's potential intellect surviving. It was Anscombe's backup plan just in case the nominalists were correct about universals.",
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"text": "P.S.- A majority of orthodox Catholic theologians during the middle ages WERE nominalists, historical fact (eg, see John Marenbon's book).",
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"text": "As for Newman, I read in a biography about him that after becoming Catholic he went to Rome seeking the Thomists out to learn from them, but the Thomism he found literally was a shambles of a school at the time (that was before Aeterni Patris, of course). So I think Newman really was coming out of a different education than we Thomists are used to, and was trying to figure things out without the intellectual resources we can now rely on",
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"text": "I'm glad to hear it, that was always my assumption until reading that quote just now. Joshua (if you're out there in cyberspace), is there any more proof that you could present to justify your claim that Newman rejected universals?",
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"text": "That quote from Newman basically describes what goes on at TAC. So what again were all these ten jillion comments about?",
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"text": "That's just a sort of substitution of prudence and imagination for reason, and hunches/gestalt impressions for clear ideas. That doesn't make him much of anything except a Romantic",
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"text": "hahaha unargued assertions. we have come to this",
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"text": "except that reason for him isnt \"scientific\". But it is for Aquinas.",
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"text": "apparently they ignore distinctions at Christendom",
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"text": "I agree that Newman is not so simple, Peregrine Bonaventure, but the thread that never ends will allow us to continue that in a bit.\nWe all need to look at what JA Escalante just said as regards the Newman quote you quoted approvingly above: tell us a bit more about how and why you think it doesn't describe TAC, because it sure seems like it is Newman defending TAC against you and your objections...",
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"text": "But this too quick dismissal of Newman also needs to be discussed.\nThank God this thread is outside of time.",
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"text": "At some point you need to explain to us why your Newman quote doesn't contradict what you've said all thread, because it seems it does.",
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"text": "Petavius, as in the moon crater? Okay, I heard the name, never read him. I knew he did a lot of working with the history of theology...makes sense he would have something like a development theory.\nI refrained from calling Newman a modernist, or his theory unorthodox. But I will not refrain from calling Newman, as his views are in the Grammar of Assent, as so obviously nominalist that it boggles the mind how anyone can miss that. Or how he mocks the very form of reasoning used by Aristotle and Aquinas\nQuoting from the same place\n\"we wish to ascertain, will be found to reduce the force of the inferential method from demonstration to the mere determination of the probable. Thus, whereas (as I have already said) Inference starts with conditions, as starting with premisses, here are two reasons why, when employed upon questions of fact, it can only conclude probabilities: first, because its premisses are assumed, not proved; and secondly, because its conclusions {269} are abstract, and not concrete.\"\n\"And in like manner as regards John and Richard, when compared with one another; each is himself, and nothing else, and, though, regarded abstractedly, the two may fairly be said to have something in common, (viz., that abstract sameness which does not exist at all,) yet strictly speaking, they have nothing in common, for each of them has a vested interest in all that he himself is\"\n\"Let units come first, and (so-called) universals second; let universals minister to units, not units be sacrificed to universals. John, Richard, and Robert are individual things, independent, incommunicable. We may find some kind of common measure between them, and we may give it the name of man, man as such, the typical {280} man, the auto-anthropos. We are justified in so doing, and in investing it with general attributes, and bestowing on it what we consider a definition. But we think we may go on to impose our definition on the whole race, and to every member of it, to the thousand Johns, Richards, and Roberts who are found in it. No; each of them is what he is, in spite of it. Not any one of them is man, as such, or coincides with the auto-anthropos. Another John is not necessarily rational, because \"all men are rational,\" for he may be an idiot;\u2014nor because \"man is a being of progress,\" does the second Richard progress, for he may be a dunce;\u2014nor, because \"man is made for society,\" must we therefore go on to deny that the second Robert is a gipsy or a bandit, as he is found to be. There is no such thing as stereotyped humanity; it must ever be a vague, bodiless idea, because the concrete units from which it is formed are independent realities. General laws are not inviolable truths; much less are they necessary causes. Since, as a rule, men are rational, progressive, and social, there is a high probability of this rule being true in the case of a particular person; but we must know him to be sure of it.\"\nNewman is clear that he is rejecting the very Organon of Aristotle, as far as \"truth in the concrete\" goes. It only touches the abstract, and he is very dismissive of that. He even calls the universal the \"tyrant of the majority\" using Elias as a counterexample to \"all men are mortal.\"",
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"text": "More, from an unpublished paper of 1868:\nIf abstract truths, (or what nominalits call \"generalizations\" from experience) are objective, (as realists would hold,) therefore they are objects- what is the object? Beautifulness, for instance- What does the mind see when it contemplates this abstraction?-is it God? if not, is it one of the Platonic everlasting ideas external to God? if not, can it be any thing at all, and are we not driven to agreement with the school of Locke and sensible experiences.\nI dare say there is some simple refutation at once of the following answer, which has this only recommendation, that I have held it these forty years strenously- on the other hand I am so little versed in the controversy...\nIdo not allow the existence of these abstract ideas corresponding to objective realities with Locke-but then, I do not pass over the experiences gained from the phenomena of mind so slightly, as I fancy the school of Locke is apt to do...\nAnd more from the Grammar:\n\"All things in the exterior world are unit and individual, and are nothing else; but the mind not only contemplates those unit realities, as they exist, but has the gift, by an act of creation, of bringing before it abstractions and generalizations, which have no existence, no counterpart, out of it.\nNow there are propositions, in which one or both of the terms are common nouns, as standing for what is abstract, general, and non-existing, such as \"Man is an animal, some men are learned, an Apostle is a creation of Christianity, a line is length without breadth, to err is human, to forgive divine.\" These I shall call notional propositions, and the apprehension with which we infer or assent to them, notional.\nAnd there are other propositions, which are composed of singular nouns, and of which the terms stand for {10} things external to us, unit and individual, as \"Philip was the father of Alexander,\" \"the earth goes round the sun,\" \"the Apostles first preached to the Jews;\" and these I shall call real propositions, and their apprehension real.\nThere are then two kinds of apprehension or interpretation to which propositions may be subjected, notional and real.\" (from chap 1)\nAnd it won't take long to see he disparages \"notional\" That is even a common complaint among some of his fans.",
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"text": "I wonder if nominalism is a sufficient structure to study and comment on history? Though the nominalist would probably view history as some sort of master science, since the well educated historian could make the best generalizations. That being said, history does not have universals, only generalizations, so a nominalist's approach to history might be a sufficient one.\nThis occurs to me about theology: The right context for theology is a well-ordered prayer life. The only one suited to judge about someone's well-ordered prayer life is a confessor or spiritual director, or oneself. Thus, a school that teaches theology must only make a well-ordered prayer life possible. A well-ordered prayer life, of course, has its pinnacle in Holy Mass. As perfect, it would include the fulness of liturgical observance with the Divine Office. This perhaps sheds light on a discussion we had above (note, Matthew J. Peterson, I do not say \"before\") when we discussed the lay theologian. Insofar as there is a valid and healthy prayer life possible for a layman, and insofar as there is truly a domestic church, then it is possible for there to be lay theologians. Though, evidently, lay theologians cannot obtain to the perfection that religious theologians do, because of the imperfection of their state in life. \nJoshua, thanks for coming back to this thread!",
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"text": "Joshua is right that Newman is not as realist as St Thomas, but he is certainly not as nominalist as analytic philosophy or empiricism. See: http://www.scribd.com/.../Newman-s-Apologia-and-the-Drama...",
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"text": "thanks joshua. I almost opened my grammar of assent for the first time. I think Joshua and James Larson (linked above) do a sufficient job proving Newman nominalist. Its obvious in some writings and undetectable in others (a modernist tactic). If someone refutes Larson on Newman i may seriously do some work. But i have a different question for Christopher or any one. Were there any notable theologians that an arm chair pope like i might know, who were nominalists? Because like Richard Weaver i view them as termites that hollow out faith and reason entirely?",
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"text": "don't want to waste clean water, Anthony.\nSo what does Newman's nominalism have to do with:\nA) his idea of a university and\nB) his idea of the development of Christian doctrine?",
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"text": "The idea is vacuous though. So what does it matter? (Seriously the only really great piece in it is on elementary education and in light of his nominalism and many imprecise statements most ironic.)",
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"text": "as to doctrine, he is modernist but one need read Pascendi for that to be understood. Nominalism undermines all doctrines.",
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"text": "I've read Pascendi, both for class at TAC and later on for my own personal reference (as a refresher).\nIs it possible that his views on epistemology were inconsistent internally in his writings? Obviously if one is consistently nominalist, history and experimental science are the only fields of (valid) study.\n(I am reminded of the mathematician Gauss saying he wanted to have people on the tops of three mountain peaks, sufficiently far apart, to measure the interior angles of a triangle between the three to determine whether geometry is Euclidean or not...)",
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"text": "I've read Pascendi several times over a year ago, and I am in need of a reread. I have a terrible memory. It is packed and applying it takes time. The modernist heresy (as therein defined) is the GOAT (or WOAT) in the history of the Church -- I have no doubt and if any do, they don't get or reject Pasceni imo -- and it's influence is ubiquitous. It certainly leads to apostasy step by step and so many in little or great ways are unknowingly caught up in it. (I do not condemn Newman the person, to be clear. He was suspect in his day and Cardinal Manning, esp. argued against him. Again, I rely a lot on James Larson but will do my own work if he be refuted, because the arguments are the lever imo to move all that follows).\nI don't think any of the nominalist are consistent. They use or don't use logic as it suits them. If all ideas are as empty as they they think then nominalism itself is highly improbable as an idea, no?\nBacon is most forthright. In the preface to one of his works (I can't remember), he openly admits profound skepticism but declares that he will unlike the skeptics of old, be inconsistent: a self-proclaimed sophist in the old negative sense, at least he is honest. He also slips in and out of the old method of argument as he list in Novum Organon which obviously is nothing but a replacement for logic.\nAs to consistency again, Pius X points out the modernist have almost a double mind (and so too nominalists); they have a double truth almost. And shift from writing as nominalist, to writing as one of Faith. Or in the case of dogma, they assent to it outwardly, but I cannot understand how they assent inwardly. God knows. Tis a puzzlement.",
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"text": "Returning to the \"Idea of University\", they are simply a collection of lectures, and I was never much impressed with them. In them he actually outlines the modern university. The only piece on Elementary Education, was obviously never a lecture but a very clever dialogue. In it, however, some of the wrong methods of learning in mid19th century are evident: esp. the stagnant English method of Latin which the Jesuits traditionally taught orally (much easier to learn). At the same time it is a very good and thought provoking dialogue, showing the need to balance self-learning and receive DIRECTION from a tutor -- apropos to the earlier beginnings of a discussion on education. \nOne note: the Jesuits were famous for conducting their classes in a delightful way such that the students so interested learned the most difficult things almost effortlessly. I wish I knew how they did it. Waugh (Edmund Campion) points it out (and others). Fr. Thomas Hughes wrote the only book in English detailing their course and giving some insight to what they did. Peregrine might be interested to learn that St. Ignatius himself thought rhetoric (read literature) was the only part of the course NEVER to be compromised: literature for THREE years -- to ease Peregrine's concerns, he should also note that they excised the more salacious and saltry parts of texts like parts of Book II of the Aeneid. anyways, gotta run ..... late already.",
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"text": "Hmmm. John, did you read the text to which Pater Edmund linked? There is a strong argument against his being a nominalist there. \nI have kept hearing that there are several texts and places of Pascendi that condemn Newman, but this more and more starting to sound like something made up. Currently, there is only slander being proffered: \"He was suspect in his time,\" \"So and so said he was Nominalist\", etc. \nIt seems that Joshua made some real, text-based arguments for Newman being a Nominalist. I would be interested to see his response to Pater Edmund. \nWhat is more, I suggested above that one engaging in an historical or practical project, might very well come off as a nominalist. \nFinally, one should be wary of saying, \"This guy had bad or weak philosophy, therefore he is a modernist.\" We can't go that route for many reasons. One of which is that such an approach robs Pascendi of its force. \nMaybe it is time to go to the chapel and pray for Bl. Newman's intercession. Then maybe re-read his texts, perhaps with greater charity and sobriety of mind.",
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"text": "the Aeneid?? Apparently St. Ignatius didn't teach the fullness of sacred theology in accordance with the magisterium",
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"text": "Not that secondary sources count for much around here, but in Copleston's History of Philosophy Volume VIII he suggests that Newman's approach is more along phenomenological lines. In summarizing Newman's approach to the assent of faith he says \n\"[...]we must distinguish between two types of assent. Assent given to a proposition apprehended as notional, as concerned with abstract ideas or universal terms, is notional assent, while that which is given to propositions apprehended as real, as concerned directly with things or persons, is real assent.\nNow Newman takes it that things and persons, whether objects of actual experience or preented imaginatively in memory, strike the mind much more forcibly and vividly than do abstract notions. ****Real apprehension therefore is 'stronger than notional, because things, which are its objects, are confessedly more impressive and effective than notions, which are the object of notional [apprehension]. Experiences and their images strike and occupy the mind, as abstractions and their combinations so not.' ****** Similarly, although, according to Newman, all assent is alike in being unconditional, acts of assent 'are elicited more heartily and forcibly, when they are made upon real apprehension which has things for its objects, than when they are made upon real apprehension which has things for its objects, than when they are made in favour of notions and with a notional apprehension.' Further, real assent, though it does not necessarily affect conduct, tends to do so in a way in which purely notional assent does not.\nReal assent is also called belief by Newman. [...]\" pg. 517\nCopleston's quotes are taken from the Grammar of Assent. He never really gets to the point of calling Newman, well, a member of any philosophical school in particular. The asterisked part indicates the main section in this passage that I underlined when I read it. Side question: is phenomenology a secret cover for nominalism, because now I'm confused...",
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"text": "I think there is a very distinct difference between nominalism (which Newman may or may not have been.... I think Mr. Kenz did some good work with that) and phenomenology. \nBut I think it is pretty clear from a study of Brittish Empiricists that the separation into \"notional\" and \"real\" leads directly to nominalism.",
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"text": "Mr. ...um... Mr. PB Scott, is there a certain list of texts you have in mind for content? I have the impression that it is basically church councils, Scripture, and the Catechism but I might be mistaken; also you may have posted a list earlier that I missed. Also for what you mean by structure my closest guess is chronological. I am just telling you what my basic impression of your ideas are, you can give a yea or nay and explain further.",
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"text": "In addition, I think Mr. Lendman's outline is consonant with Augustine's own qualifications in De Doctrina Christiana.",
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"text": "Rather than unpacking what Newman is known for and examining it, giving him the benefit of the doubt and trying to understand what he means, and then weighing that, and trying to understand why so many of good might tout and study and say they learn from him:\nNote how we are now leaping to write him off based on where he says things that oppose a body of thought we identify with.\nThis is the hermeneutic of inquisition.\nIt is worth noting that he didn't receive a Thomistic education (not his fault - things had imploded) but this doesn't answer the question - it might be important, of course, but it might not. I'm glad it's been brought out - and it very much worth noting - but it is not a refutation.\nHe's not known and praised and read for his epistemology.",
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"text": "The idea that phenomenology is nominalism, however, is just absurd to my mind. The long line of people who came out of Husserl - nominalists? They were trying to save the world from positivism and historicism for Pete's sake.",
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"text": "Though, Matthew, it does seem worthwhile to argue that Newman's philosophy was not a damning impediment to his theological work, specifically with regard to development. \nI am still interested in Joshua Kenz's response to Pater Edmund.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, your accusation is thoroughly absurd. Not a quote in this thread from Newman, that has not been shown to be or is evidently unsound. I've linked James Larson. I don't expect any here to refute him, but his criticism is devastating. I have read a deal of Newman with great care.",
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"text": "Me too - and also I am interested in anyone's response to Newman's kinds of development that Nina Rachele brought out.",
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"text": "okay, lemme get this straight, Newman isn't known or read for his epistemology, but we have to read this idea of development of doctrine (which seems pretty epistemological). Which is it?",
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"text": "Yeah, don't discuss his epistemology which is the heart and root of the problem. As to Nina, that is a summary and I disagree with Newman. Notional assent is more certain than assent to the world of phenomena. Again, evidence of his nominalism",
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"text": "As to Pater Edmund's link, I read I thought the whole article, but maybe not.",
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"text": "Well, I'd start with what he says about development and then tie that his episteme if I was against him. Kenz did a bit of that tie so it wasn't quite clear.\nBut anyone for 'em is going to say who gives a crap about what he thought about universals if you read the rest of his writings - he was stuck with crappy episteme and the rest of his work doesn't really rely on it.\nEtc.",
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"text": "This is the thread that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Some people started posting, not knowing what it was, and they'll keep on posting forever just because this is thread that never ends, it just goes on and on my...",
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"text": "so you're saying baptize his works like Thomas did to Aristoilet?",
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"text": "OK, so I've put all the nominations that have been posted so far into a google doc: https://docs.google.com/.../1PutRC7wDJYJ1XughyMKZ.../edit...\nAnd I've set it so it can be edited by anyone who has the link. Please complete titles years etc. and add nominations under the correct headings. But if you add a nomination mention hear on the thread as well.\nThomas Aquinas College Theses Volume - Google Docs\ndocs.google.com",
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"text": "So Lendman, every response I've made is merely \"political\". I don't think you hardly read half of my responses.",
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"text": "Will you please, oh sir sigh a lot, return above and show me how or how not Nina's quote of Newman's understanding of metaphysical development is not ridiculous?",
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"text": "I've tried to be fair as well as polemical, but I am quite concerned as other better thinkers than I about the nominalist position.",
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"text": "Maybe it is. I would just like to see an argument, that's all.",
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"text": "are you really John, and Daniel) going to make us scroll *all* the way up to the quote on metaphysical? Really? My eternal return of the same circle only goes clockwise.....",
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"text": "Nina Rachele \"[...] metaphysical developments; I mean such as are a mere analysis of the idea contemplated, and terminate in its exact and complete delineation [...] in the sacred provinces of theology, the mind may be employed in developing the solemn ideas, which it has hitherto held implicitly and without subjecting them to its reflecting and reasoning powers.\" pg 52, Ch1 section 9",
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"text": "My response: Nina, as to his \"metaphysical\" development, as he states it thus quoted, shouldn't he just say \"logical\" development instead. It seems a misuse of the term metaphysical, if what he is saying is just drawing out conclusions from other propositions we know by Faith. He seems to be mystifying what should be straight forward. But is this all that Newman means? ......and for that, you're going to have me look elsewhere.",
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"text": "Great. You say that this is absurd, John. Why?",
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"text": "Re theses: Didn't Rebecca Loop come back and give her thesis \"On Exemplary Causality in the First Being\" as a lecture to the college? A version of it was published in The Aquinas Review (1998), iirc. Anyone have a copy of it?",
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"text": "The comments in Pater Edmund's \"Unwritten Tradition\" are, I think, illuminating on just how concerning Newman's nominalism or near nominalism or confusion w/r/t Universals ought to be. I find it very comforting that Newman apparently said things like \"[T]here is nothing which the Church has de\ufb01ned or shall de\ufb01ne but what an Apostle, if asked, would have been fully able to answer and would have answered.\"\nWith that said, I'm no Newman scholar myself, so I'll sit back and listen to my betters.",
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"text": "see.................... I don't respect sacred cows of the present moment. Countless old doctors of the Church are treated like spittoons. I'm not even spitting",
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"text": "Would it be textbook based or a selection of primary sources?",
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"text": "The question of \"development of doctrine\" is what development means, of course, and not whether or not it happens from a human point of view, or whether or not it happens in extremely messy ways and to radical extents, often in reaction to vehement disagreements regarding specific policies, etc.\nWe don't need Newman or other names to discuss how doctrine develops.",
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"text": "I think what we are trying to do here is help the student develop a theological habit of mind. This involves assent to stuff we cannot know by reason. And also a sense of how the Church examines these issues as part of a theology, certainly in light of Scripture and history, and how She comes to make true statements worthy of belief. There is a theology at work here, and students in a four year Catholic college can be introduced to it in a way that is good in itself and also lays the groundwork for future studies in theology.",
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"text": "Yeah - let's do that then. How are Newman's definitions that Nina Rachele posted wrong?",
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"text": "Mr. PB Scott: Would your objections to the TAC curriculum be removed if all (or most) of the major councils were included? Or is your real objection to the seminar method itself?",
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"text": "Jody, that is a complete misrepresentation of my beliefs. I am puzzled and a bit shocked by your assertion. It is not true. Please see my comment immediately above.",
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"text": "Here's a snip from John Senior's polemic against TAC in The Restoration of Christian Culture:\n\u00abIn this crucial respect of finality the curriculum at some Catholic colleges is superior to the older secular programs they are modeled on; but even so it would be wise for the Thomist philosophers among them to recall the Scholastic dictum that means must be proportionate to ends. The seminar as a means of learning purports to be a dialectic process derived from the Socratic dialogues. Even if this were so\u2013which a glance at Plato\u2019s text proves false, and even if there were students prepared for such a course\u2013which a glance at their reading habits proves ridiculous, but even if there were such a dialectic and such students, without the formal lecture and professors who draw not just the questions but the right answers out, these seminars slide down into bull-sessions in which the strongest bull or the most artful dodger wins; and if such sessions become habitual, they result in arrogant skepticism, which is where Plato\u2019s Academy ended. Students need systematic exposition of ideas and hard, daily practice of logical disputation under the controlled conditions of real debate; and, without years of training in gymnastics, music, poetry, art, history, and in manners, morals and religion, which used to be supplied by Christian homes and schools, the exchange of opinion in Great Books seminars encourages the very sophistry Socrates gave his life to combat. The student learns a critical method with which to demolish the ideas of others without having grasped any reality in the ideas at all and worst of all, if he has failed in the meantime to master his appetites and temperament\u2013if he is weak, impatient, malicious, sensuous or indolent\u2013with such critical weapons he is well on his way to Vanity Fair, where you get a Ph.D. and tenure. \nThe ancients distinguished four degrees of knowledge: the poetic, where truths are grasped intuitively as when you trust another\u2019s love; the rhetorical, where we are persuaded by evidence, but without conclusive proof, admitting that we might be wrong, as when we vote for a political candidate; next the dialectical mode in which we conclude to one of two opposing arguments beyond a reasonable doubt, with the kind of evidence sufficient for conviction in a law court or in a laboratory testing to certify a drug for human use; and finally, in the scientific mode\u2013science in the ancient and not the modern sense which is dialectical and rhetorical, but science as epistamai\u2013we reach to absolute certitude as when we know the whole is greater than the part, that motion presupposes agency or know obvious facts such as Cuba is an island because we sailed around it. Each of these degrees has its appropriate faculties: poetry, memorization and imaginative play; rhetoric, precept and practice; dialectic, scholastic disputation and laboratory experiment; science, systematic exposition. But where does \u201cclass discussion\u201d come in? Well, it isn\u2019t on the list at all, and not because the ancients didn\u2019t think of it, but because they rejected it. \u00bb",
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"text": "The Catholic college needs to be positive in its understanding of the principle theological teachings of the Catholic church, and the theological basis of the Faith. The Catholic college cannot stand only on a metaphysical examination of the Faith. The best way to study theology is the Socratic method because the development of doctrine is principally a historical-dialectical process. But the principle teachings of Faith must be presented in a positive way in a Catholic college. This is necessary not only for catechesis, but also absolutely necessary for the theological inquiry and conversation.",
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"text": "Is there an online copy of the whole of Senior's polemic contra TAC?",
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"text": "You guys are really a bunch of arrogant jerks. It is necessary for the Catholic college to understand the theological basis of what we believe. This is a theological inquiry, not a philosophical one. \nYou do not seem to be capable of even understanding this.",
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"text": "If you can't think logically how are you going to get all that greatness out of the documents? Especially the newer ones which are not written as clearly? Isn't that how we have people using a document to support their position when their position is torn apart two paragraphs later in the same document?",
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"text": "In an idealized theological course of study, would every class cover a different doctrine and its support? Or for example, would a council be read, and then say the full works of three or four theologians of the time who supported it? Edit: assuming each class is still taught under the seminar method",
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"text": "https://www.facebook.com/.../tac-the.../582559135127560...\nTAC, the Magisterium and The lights of Faith and Reason\nOn August 2 I provoked a very long thread that started with this quote from a friend, Scott Weinberg, critical of TAC. \"From all I have been told on this subject, it seems to me that what the Chur\nBy: Richard Delahide Ferrier",
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"text": "oh, I think it's because I'm not friends with Dr. Ferrier.",
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"text": "I'm tired of your arrogant barbs, silly jokes, idiotic statements. So many TACers are incapable... Lauren and Nina, your comments are disingenuous. Maintain the logical basis. Present Faith positively, or lose it and your audience.",
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"text": "You're not friends with Dr Ferrier???? oh... I'm not either...",
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"text": "? All I've been doing is asking questions.",
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"text": "No, I never had him as a tutor unfortunately...think I had him for an all-school once maybe...",
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"text": "Joel HF, no free version, but it's on Kindle.",
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"text": "Ok. I have refused to engage you, O Foolish Troll, but you cross the line when you insult women. Go away, Scott. Now.",
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"text": "Mr. PB Scott, if you have just been describing one school's particular curriculum, then just go ahead and send me a link, you don't need to waste your time with an explanation.",
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"text": "There's no such thing as an ideal theological course. Are you actually asking if only one doctrine would be covered per class in an undergraduate theology class? Is this a serious question?",
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"text": "You keep saying things, but practically what would those things look like at a \"real\" Catholic school. I think that's all we are asking .",
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"text": "Well, yes. I assumed we were discussing what the ideal theological course was and why TAC did not look like that ideal.",
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"text": "Nina, I would not waste your time. He is not interested in real discourse. I know.",
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"text": "More places where this has been gone over in detail (1): https://www.facebook.com/richa.../posts/10151881807463949...\nRichard Delahide Ferrier\nFrom a TAC alum, and Christendom grad. I would love to see many comments.",
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"text": "Like I said. He is sniveling prig.",
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"text": "and (2): https://www.facebook.com/notes/sean-collins/on-some-questions-about-teaching-catholic-doctrine/10151799390270960\nOn Some Questions About Teaching \"Catholic Doctrine\"\nRichard Delahide Ferrier suggests we go to bed ... reasonable enough, except that I'm a night owl, and this looks like my chance to jump into a very interesting conversation that I didn't know about b\nBy: Sean Collins",
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"text": "Well, I for my part have learned quite a bit.",
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"text": "^good, I can read that one",
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"text": "Count your blessings, John.",
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"text": "Wear it like a badge of honour John",
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"text": "And Nina, those other places will witness to my patience and forbearance with regard to the troll.",
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"text": "As I said above, I will always be grateful to the Peregrine for provoking these discussions.",
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"text": "Can we get back to Newman now, please?",
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"text": "Pater Edmund is dragging up old memories there with the Ferrier thread. But yes, we had some good discoveries even then.",
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"text": "Befriend Richard Delahide Ferrier all - and read that note and the comments.",
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"text": "Does anyone agree with me that an inquiry of sacred theology is different than a metaphysical inquiry? Does anyone agree that a theological inquiry relates intrinsically to what the Church promulgates as worthy of belief? Does anyone agree with me that this is not mere catechesis? Does anyone agree that Catholic theology in a Catholic college should include this? does anyone maintain that TAC does this? If, explain how. Please, no more idiocy.",
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"text": "Sadly, Pater Edmund, Scott's credibility is bankrupt. His initial questions are interesting and important. It is the follow-up that is the problem.",
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"text": "In a Catholic college, when you teach theology, you need a positive presentation of the doctrines of the Faith, and the theological basis of these doctrines or principles. This is how theology is taught in most Catholic colleges. You could do this easily at TAC, in seminar. This is not advocacy against the seminar method, or for catechesis.\nDo you see this?\nIs this \"worthy of discourse\" for you?",
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"text": "In charity, Daniel, I think Scott has burdens and crosses to bear irl, and as such cannot be treated as one would treat a man sound of mind and body who acted thus.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund thank you for linking that Ferrier thread, it is very interesting so far...",
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"text": "Joel, you're a jerk. Best of luck to you arrogant Catholics from TAC.",
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"text": "I love how barely making it through the program lumps me with all the brilliant minds that came out of TAC. How long do you have to attend for this label to be present? (Obviously this is not a serious question, but merely a musing)",
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"text": "Your arrogance is proof of your lack of theological formation.",
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"text": "Brilliant minds?",
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"text": "Though I do enjoy poking fun, I didn't mean to insult with my last comment, actually. I too am grateful to Scott for provoking the original threads, though he needn't be quite so provoking, in my view. Still I dont think dialogue is possible at this point, not when insults fly quite so readily. But dialogue is hardly the point of the thread, is it?",
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"text": "Dr. Waldstein came to mind when I made that comment.",
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"text": "I still have honest questions about what \"theological inquiry\" is. and \"theological basis\" and \"theological principles\"\nHelp me out Perescottgrinebonawienventureburg",
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"text": "Need to get ready for work... I expect plenty of new insights about Newman when I get back here....",
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"text": "I'm at work. I call it \"multi-trolling\"",
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"text": "except I always come back to the same thing: I need to know what sort of principles, inquiry and basis is (theologically speaking) in order that I can honestly answer (to the best of my abilities) whatever the hell Scott is talking about.",
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"text": "Stefon: \"Facebook\u2019s hottest thread is Peterson\u2019s Never-ending Thread. This thread has it all: pseudonymous trolls demanding magesterium, fake thesis titles, Newman debates, trolling, reverse-trolling, collections of real theses, Monks, hipster protestants, rad trads, and neo caths.\"",
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"text": "YAY! Stefon lives!",
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"text": "reverse trolling! LOL! but there should be some mention of midgets doing something unseemly",
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"text": "hey! I'm short, but not that short!",
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"text": "\"A human fanny pack? What's that?\" \"It's that thing of where a midget hangs around your waist and you keep your passport in his mouth\"",
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"text": "\"A magesteri-midget? It's that thing, where you get a midget to follow you around and shout abuse about how you don't follow the true magesterium.\"",
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"text": "Thank you the kind-hearted rebuke Joel. I fell into the trap of taking a troll seriously.",
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"text": "Anne Schniederjan I know what this thread needs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEKZJp-x-Dc\nJay Ferguson ~ Thunder Island\na song of Jay's i like made video because was no good studio version on video ...enjoy",
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"text": "the sad thing is that he brings up things worth talking about.....and then spins in circles before the insults come out.\nAt TAC we learned the proper order of things. Insult first.",
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"text": "Not sure why, but \"TAC is a heresy factory\" just made me laugh so hard I snorted. And that's my last frivolous comment for now.",
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"text": "The only questionable comment I can recall was the blue book stating that graduating from the college was a sign of predestination. Hardly qualifies the college as a heresy factory.",
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"text": "OK, just to make things weirder:\nThere's a Muslim college in Berkeley, California inspired by TAC, in part. The founders are big fans of TAC.\nAnd no, the name is not The Averroist College!",
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"text": "Mr. Bonaventure, In seminar, one discusses a text. It is not a setting for the presentation of someone elses conclusions. A tutorial would be closer to the setting for the kind of thing you are discussing. I am a St. Johnnie, not a TAC grad, so I don't know exactly what they do there, but if it is anything like St. John's, even in tutorial there is a spirit of inquiry. The texts would still be \"great books\", not a \"textbook\" and students would still be wrestling with the words of the writer. I would imagine that there would be some guidance from the tutor, which might at times include information about how various understandings of a work fit with doctrine. Why can't you just accept that different schools have different goals and methods, and choose to prefer the one you prefer, without haunting the threads of alumni of another college?",
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"text": "well. I finisned pater's mostly fine piece and the chapter on illative sense. Lots to say ....",
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"text": "Actually I think TAC is mixed on the torture debates, and probably most against. It is mixed about America as well.\nBut, of course, many at TAC think the Ethics are \"easy\" and \"lowly\" compared to the more difficult and noble and important and lofty natural philosophy and metaphysics...",
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"text": "It would be \"selling out to do a thesis on Ethics. Still, many of these seem related, at least.",
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"text": "Unlike some of you people, I have a job! Sheesh...\nIn response to Pater Edmund, I started reading your link, and was quickly disappointed in the shallowness of assertions. Top of pg. 85, \"Knowledge of things is not caused by their ideal forms, but by contemplating the thingsthemselves, or abstracting universals from them; it is founded, in a word, on experience.\"\nAnd where on earth is that in Newman? Oh, no where. In fact, that is rejected quite expressly by him. He quotes Newman, from one of the same passages I quoted, but leaves out what he says about such generalizations.\nI would certainly not call Newman the most radical nominalist. Any barely coherent nominalist epistemology has to have some version of a correspondence theory, resemblance, etc. But what is clear is that the \"abstract\" generalizations, for Newman, can only give us \"probabilities\" about concrete things. But he is interested in \"concrete truths\" so these universals, whatever role they may play, become irrelevant in knowing reality. He is extremely clear about that. That is not Aristotelian. And it sure as heck is not Platonist.\n\" The Grammar of Assent is relentlessly Aristotelian from start to finish\"\nI am sorry, but the more I read, the more I find there to be no argument, just assertions. Newman is not a Platonist because he waxed poetical.\nAnd because he avers to Aristotle, so what? So did some of the greatest nominalists such of Ockham.\nThe only mention of universals in the Grammar I again already quoted. Where he mocks logic, as \"dressing up middle terms\" and proceeds to dismiss the search for universals, since that is not about the real, but the notional...not the concrete facts (that is all he cares about), but the abstract.\nAnd there is only one other place, outside of unpublished notes (of which I post parts of one that show he had trouble, to his credit by his own admission, understanding the whole dispute!). That is here: in a comment following this one",
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"text": "are we back to Newman?",
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"text": "\"A very difficult question arises whether the subject of ideas comes directly into the province of Logic. Or in other words, whether names or terms stand for ideas or for things. It will be said that ideas and things go together, and therefore the question is unimportant ~ but there is the case in which there is, or is imagined, an idea without a thing, that is, the case of Universals.\nAccordingly those then on the side of Things against Ideas, say that there are not universal ideas; and a controversy ensues which is nothing else than a portion of the old scholastic controversy, between the Nominalists, Realists, and Conceptionists.\"\nActually I tire of typing it out. I will summarize, in this passage he does say that a) he tends to agree with the Catholics in holding universals. b) but the onus of proof is on them c) and then he gives some lengthy unclear examples, and ends in saying that there are two types of universals. His examples are all about particulars. \"and taking that question [whether Caesar refers to the thing or the idea] away, it certainly does seem more simple and natural to say the words stand for the things.\"\nHeck he seems not to grasp what is meant by universal, in phrasing the question as he does (whether Caesar, a particular, refers to the man or the idea of Caesar). He ends arguing that it refers to the thing. Unless it is abstract. His examples of abstract versus ratio pura universals are \"man is a rational animal\" and \"the whole is greater than the part\" The latter is the only he accepts for reasoning, and his examples are all mathematical. The latter, again, only gives \"probability\" about concrete things.\nWe might recall that for Aquinas the universal is something that is attached to the essence as it exists in the mind, as an image with a likeness to many subjects. You could say Newman holds the same about his ideas corresponding to things, but where it becomes nominalist is that it becomes a mere generalization, not a universal truth, which is why we cannot know that Socrates is mortal just because he is a man and man is mortal. We have to know the \"units\" That is where real knowledge is for Newman.\ncf. Lecture on Logic, Jan/Feb 1859",
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"text": "Mr. Beitia, sorry, after less than a full night sleep and then a long day of work, I see Lendman asked for my response to Pater Edmund's link. So I obliged in spite of the intervening comments.",
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"text": "That said, I will go back and read more carefully the linked essay, lest I too readily dismissed it. I should have the time to do that sometime in 2015 (hey too much to do)....I only read snippets, and what seemed as assertions might substantiated later....",
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"text": "I have a number of observations about Pater Edmund's thesis (130 pages). It's a worthwhile read. In particular, my thesis that nominalism invites immanentism, he seems to confirm. It's only when he enters into Newman's epitstemology and development of doctrine (p. 84) that I start to disagree.\nI second Joshua's comment about Newman's \"Aristotelian\" leanings. Just because Newman claims to be Aristotelian (p. 85) doesn't make it so: that would mean Ayn Rand is Aristotelian also.\nThere is a mistake in Pater's interpretation of Newman on p. 91 in the confused notion of real vs. notional apprehension. The boy's apprehension is notional when reading the poet's real apprehension. He may change it elsewhere.",
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"text": "Suffice it to say that the contradictions apparent in Pater's statements from Newman (contradictions in quotes by Pater Edmund of Newman) finally led me to open his Grammar of Assent, which seems so tedious. Instead of begin at the beginning, I tried finding some distinctions at first in chapter three, but was so confused by the apparent absurdity of distinctions that I read Maritain's introduction. Maritain assures the reader that the book is about Newman's coming to grips with assent to the truths of the Faith and that most interpretations are incorrect. I then proceeded to look at chapter nine to try and figure out what illative sense might mean.",
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"text": "What is clear beyond doubt is that his is a very precisely crafted esoteric work, and I recommend a careful reading of chapter nine on illative sense. Now that I see what he is doing in that chapter the rest will be clearer. The chapter itself really almost stands entirely on its own.",
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"text": "What is strange is that he doesn't really define illative sense (and why I had so much trouble trying to find definitions and distinctions earlier) until the second last page and the last sentence is quite a douzy.",
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"text": "You've been warned. There be dark waters there.",
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"text": "If he be Aristotelian, it is in an esoteric sense only. In the chapter alone, he rejects the logic both subtly and (I believe) explicitly. He delineates also a very hard core nominalism (a la Hobbes, wherefore the word \"sense\")",
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"text": "To be honest it was more the tediousness of the work than any position he took that turned me off from Newman....I read it before going to TAC too....I found it so tedious, I decided to read Aristotle and found him crystal clear in comparison...it gave me a leg up when I later went to TAC...\nMr. Ruplinger has more patience than I to be digging back into the text that much!",
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"text": "No I actually cracked the book several times before and just closed it. I have thought I should probably look at it some time and this was the final motive.",
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"text": "LIS, ch. 9 to me is a bit clearer. I can say a lot about if anyone is interested. I certainly haven't mined everything there, but Newman has a reason for everything he writes. It's just a matter of unraveling all the apparent contradictions and figuring out what he's getting at.",
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"text": "I'll can give some whopper quotes. But I'll begin with what illative sense is: \"moral instinct\" or \"happy augury\" (or something more deliberative perhaps). That seems to be the ultimate source of illative sense as PRINCIPLES: they are founded upon this \"divining\". In fact illative sense seems to me to be logic as he denigrates it. HIs last sentence is \"And in all these delicate questions there is constant call for the exercise of the Illative Sense.\" Rereading it one realizes that he is uses Newman's (that is his own specially divined) illative sense in describing aspects (not it's nature) of illative sense at the end of section two. To be PRECISE, Illative Sense seems to be logic, but especially the grasping of our assumptions and how we come by them (only secondarily and in HIS sense, does he refer to demonstration which he restricts to elements of mathematical calculus). His third section is pretty devastating (or it seems merely to tell the truth) to any ability for agreement. All reasoning is profoundly solopsic (or so he says ",
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"text": "The first section on \"Sanction\" of illative sense: as it turns out is one's own self. Man is his own sanction, idiosyncratic man, and none else. Thus sanction is the \"authority\" of one's assumptions. Nothing outside himself. He begins in almost Cartesian fashion. But let the reader decide for himself what Newman says. This section proceeds strangely with several apparent contradictory sentences like \u201cdesire to change laws which are identical with myself.\u201d Indeed, it seems that he subtly reasserting Hobbesian nature and right. Again he says of human nature, \u201cit is his gift to be the creator of his own sufficiency; and to be emphatically self-made.\u201d Newman doesn't spare here an idle word, even the first use of \u201chis\u201d.",
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"text": "...... So how does such a nominalist expect anyone to understand him, especially when Newman by the end of the chapter leads us to despair even of the posibility of communication or at least agreement? It is inconsistent. More over his statement of man being self-made, isn't that another act of illative sense which he derides at the end. Or is the last sentence of the entire chapter what he is using even right here? But he says to confirm that what is certain is what me myself and I say is certain, \u201cthere is no ultimate test of truth besides the testimony born to truth BY THE MIND ITSELF\u201d. And I am not misquoting him. These seem to be his main points. MOREOVER, he refers to Bacon as \u201cour own English philosopher\u201d and later refers several ways and defers to him again and again. \u201cKnowledge is power, for it enables us to use eternal principles which we cannot alter.\u201d And then a derisory, as I take it, comment on all matters unBaconian: \u201cmaterials in due measure of proof and assent\u201d are apposite \u201cabundant matter for mere opinion\u201d. And so I take it that proof and assent are merely idle speculation, as a kind of relaxing recreation if not overindulged in (but in \"due measure\"). To be clear, all speculation is what he is talking about here.",
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"text": "Sections two and three are even more interesting.",
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"text": "Section two (supposedly on the NATURE of Illative Sense), he spends mostly on \"parallel\" phronesis and briefly fine arts but ends outlining \"respects\" (or perspective?) on its \"nature and its claims: \n1. in itself: \u201cone and the same in all concrete matters\u201d ??? obscure to be sure. I really have little idea what he's talking about.\n2. in definite subject-matters: some possess it some but not others and in some things but not others (historian vs. philsopher, but earlier he had a number of things to say about his kind of \"phronesis\")\n3. in process: by a method of reasoning. But here \u201cthe elementary principle of that mathematical calculus of modern times\u201d. Here he seems to be introducing HIS own illative sense of the ratiocinating aspect. Like Bacon, he would replace traditional logic with the new calculus. But this is never defined by Newman further, and is only mentioned here, whereas much of the rest of the time is spent diriding the blind \"Illative Sense\" of others it seems.\n4. function and scope: there is no \u201cultimate test of truth and error in our inferences besides the trustworthiness of the Illative Sense that gives them its sanction.\u201d \u2013 it is because I assent. The authority of the test is in MY ASSENT and none else",
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"text": "Eric Hutchinson, fyi",
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"text": "Anyways, maybe I'll clean this all up. My notes and outline are considerably long. I'll pm Pater Edmund my observations on his work.",
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"text": "And don't get me wrong. I really appreciate what Pater Edmund wrote. It's very good.",
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"text": "Thank you Joshua for obliging me. Also, thank you, John for your thorough responses. Your position on Newman is now clear to my mind, and the texts you reference are compelling.",
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"text": "And just for anyone who might be outside the TAC community and reading this thread, we should make some things clear: \n1. Peregrine Bonaventure is a disgruntled troll, who ought not to be directly addressed. We are not being cruel, but we have all tried to engage him in the past to no good result. \n2. He raises good questions, but can't, or won't actually engage in coherent or thoughtful discourse.\n3. TAC is one of the few schools in the world that, a.) really is and passes on a 'school of thought, and b.) understands what Sacred Theology is. \n4.TAC does not confuse metaphysics and natural theology with sacred theology. Rather, it understands that a thorough understanding of the philosophical disciplines enable the mind to more clearly and cogently consider the truths of the faith. \n5. Consequently, as a whole, its alumni do not teach things like \"reason enlightens faith.\" Rather, the school as a whole teaches, together with the Church, that grace perfects nature, and faith perfects reason. However, that does not mean that faith supplants reason. Rather, we must have well developed reason, and then there is, as it were, more nature to be perfected. \nMy final direct address to Scott: I do apologize for losing my temper with you above. I do sincerely hope that you have friends and family that you can communicate with in a loving and mutually benefiting way. Your questions are good. your reasoning is poor. You ought not to insult women. That is all.",
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"text": "There are those who, though misunderstanding something, seek the honest truth about it. Then there are those who, though convinced something is wrong, abide by the higher law of devotion to the truth when they are answered. Finally, there are those who, though unable to understand someone else who seemingly disagrees with them, will at least respect the goodness of their intentions. These three enable discussion.\nBut there is a fourth sort of person that, assuming the other person is wrong for reasons other than what they say or believe, or even their tone, reasons inaccessible by discussion. To these people attempts to argue are not attempts to discuss, but to foment enmity against an opponent. Scott is such a person on this topic, his only topic, and it is not charity to enable the fomenting of schism by granting it a direct response or entertaining it as a serious discussion. If this thread should persist it is in spite of Scott, not because of him.",
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"text": "Edit: first sentence, second paragraph: \"...inaccessible by discussion, seeks to undermine some 'enemy' point.\"",
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"text": "I agree with Joshua Kenz on the faults of my Newman paper; my linking it here bordered on trolling. All the greater is my admiration for John Ruplinger plowing through the whole thing! I owe you more than a decade, sir; I'm offering Mass for your intentions.",
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"text": "On the theses volume front (https://docs.google.com/.../1PutRC7wDJYJ1XughyMKZ.../edit...)\nI've added a section for proposals for titles for the whole volume. Proposals so far:\nLearning and Discipleship: Undergraduate Theses from Thomas Aquinas College\nLac Ab Uberibus Almae Matris: Undergraduate Work from a Catholic Liberal Arts College\nThomas Aquinas College Theses Volume - Google Docs\ndocs.google.com",
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"text": "on the road 7 hours. And a barn dance later. So til tomorrow. And thanks pater",
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"text": "I'll go ahead and say that with the exception of junior and (some) senior year, lab at TAC is a waste. It could be structured so much better. But I'm probably one of like three people who actually care about lab",
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"text": "'Natural Science,' as it is now called, is quite good the last two years. Sophomore year is important at least, but I had a tutor poorly suited for the class, and I hated it. Freshman year Lab is a dreadful waste of time for all concerned.",
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"text": "Fabre is overrated. There I said it.",
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"text": "Dude, I loved Fabre! I found some of those readings to be amongst the most leisurely, wonderful, contemplative readings of the whole four years.",
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"text": "Freshman lab is Micky Mouse pablum. And we take, what, 12 classes of fabre to demonstrate that insects aren't intelligent? Snore.",
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"text": "I'll try to defend Freshman year lab too. If you're going to be (or are) a philosopher, or a natural scientist, or a theologian, or really anything, you need to learn from experience the importance of observation and reality. Then when you read Goethe or Harvey or Lavoisier or articles on wave theory or really anyone at all later on, you know from your own experience that they are basing their theories and work on careful observation. It's the difference between knowing something and KNOWING SOMETHING, just as you can know someone and know your spouse in entirely different ways. \nYou are not stuck in your head with purely intellectual arguments forever and you see the relation between the \"visible things of creation\" and the theological treatises you are studying when you are forced to go outside to watch bees and ants or trap horrid beetles. You are thrilled by seeing Rev. Roy Axel Coats pop by your classroom window with a butterfly net and a jar of insects. \nYou overcome whatever fear of arthropods you might have had and realize that the smallest, ugliest things of this world are part of the divine Dantean dance of love that moves the stars. \nAlso I know that freshman lab, particularly the understanding of teleology, beginning to see that things act for an end rather than being an arbitrary collection of accidents, was one key part in the beginning of my friend's conversion post-TAC.",
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"text": "That's a beautiful defense, Catherine Ryland. I will say that I would respect the course a lot more if we read Darwin there, instead of relegating him to senior seminar.",
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"text": "My classmates tasted Substance D! (Wasn't that Pater Edmund?) And I think that was soph year.",
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"text": "I think that was the point! \nI remember both loving and being bored to tears by Fabre (though not at the same time or in the same respect), and I agree with the idea of perhaps reading even a selection from Darwin freshman year -- it makes sense. But I am still grateful for having to slog through scientific articles (however outdated) like the gull mating article and the infrared snake vision article, since now I can get the gist of some scientific articles without being a trained scientist. \nAnd it was awe-inspiring to catch a living dragonfly and see its huge jewel-like eyes and watch the light and color go out of them completely when it sadly died. You understand substantial change much better (as Lauren points out re:the de Anima) even if you have never seen a person or a larger animal die before. \nI remember John Cunningham's astonishingly beautiful living-insect terrarium/bug collection and wishing I hadn't chloroformed or frozen all my bugs. I also remember being really upset when I found my bug partner had bought his quota of bugs from the TAC insect black market. \nThat whole section of freshman lab was one of the highlights of the four years there.\nI would say that somehow that part of the curriculum also helped in understanding or accepting that some things are knowable as first principles.",
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"text": "I agree, in principle. And honestly TAC should pay you to use these reveries in the Admissions packets",
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"text": "Yes! Or perhaps he had brain cells to spare... \nI have plenty of things to tell the Admissions office and not all so cheerful. (To their credit, they warned me I needed more math, but I was too sanguine or too stubborn to believe just how much more I needed.) I've often said I'd like to start a PTACSD support group, since I've seen how many severely depressed people come out of there. Can't quite figure out why. \nThe campus policy \"don't date until 2nd semester Junior Year\" advice was terrible, and I can't believe I went along with it. What they really needed to say was \"just go out to coffee with everyone unless you don't want to. Don't worry about marriage and don't be serious at all at first, and if you'd rather not go out for coffee then don't.\" Some of us can't seem to figure this out on our own.\nI have other criticisms too.",
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"text": "Sophomore lab was a huge waste of time. I had AP chemistry in high school, so all the \"experiments\" in the lab double wide, were just poorly done imitations of what I had already known. \nPhlogiston? Really? I'm wasting my time with this? Maybe it should have been called: \"The slow painful process of learning the history of Chemistry - to 1800\" and that would have been more accurate. Neither of the tutors I had for Fresh/Soph lab were even the slightest bit interested (it seemed).",
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"text": "because we all know that matter is continuous and infinitely divisible, what's the point of studying \"atom\" and their discreteness, which is patently false, right? Lab before lunch, Aristotle's Physics with Berquist after lunch.... blah",
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"text": "Paul Babcock, what was it you said to Mr Berquist in that lab discussion? \"It's not a #!**!@ fiction!!\" ?",
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"text": "Regarding PTACD, it took me a full year to surf my way back to sanity. (Not to mention going home to a very loving family.) Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for my experience there. But I am intrigued by this too.",
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"text": "But I'm against doing Darwin Freshman year because one hasn't done the Physics and the De Anima yet.",
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"text": "re: Darwin: there's no problem reading it and remembering in the context of what you you learned freshman year.",
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"text": "Liam, the continuation of the thread is a strong argument that sanity is out the window. It caught fire because of phlogiston, and black bile, and all my messed up humours.",
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"text": "^^ Oh, but this is the most interesting stuff in the world. (And I haven't even begun my more recent critiques of TAC AND the magisterium.)",
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"text": "He would just read the first line and demonstrate them his own way.",
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"text": "Apropos of nothing. If one is looking for a deal: \nhttp://www.foxnews.com/.../21/5-best-value-rye-whiskies/...\n5 best value rye whiskies\nwww.foxnews.com\nFrom rich chocolate cake to a peppermint-topped concoction, you\u2019re sure to find something to satisfy your sweet tooth this season.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman our sophomore section was so insanely good. I learned more that year in section than any other year.",
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"text": "True. True. As did, I.",
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"text": "Stockholm Syndrome for sure.",
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"text": "Seriously, I would like to have some kind of TAC Anonymous group to help undergrads know things like How to recognize the symptoms of depression and what to do about them. What to do when you don't want to look at another book for at least a year. What to do when encountering Thomists of a non-Lavalian stripe. (That last is a joke, but I think depression is very common. It could be that people of a melancholic bile tend to gravitate toward TAC.)",
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"text": "JA Escalante - sat right next the corner too, trying to minimize the potential angle of doom.",
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"text": "I think it's the Brigadoon sense of the college. It's an intense experience, geographically isolated, and with too much of an unspoken assumption that there really isn't much truth or fellowship in seeking truth to be found outside its walls. Leaving is bound be depressing in that case",
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"text": "Which is absolutely untrue, that there isn't much truth or fellowship \"outside\".",
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"text": "indeed. I wasn't one to fall for TAC superstitions, but even my mind was blown when I met grad students at Cal and they turned out to be just as sharp and readerly as TAC friends",
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"text": "Me either, I was thrilled to graduate, though I enjoyed being there too, in a mixed way (like everything is mixed).",
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"text": "I heard a great quote about grad school the other day \"where you forgo current income to forgo future income...\"",
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"text": "I burnt out senior year, and was glad to get going, though sad to leave friends. Though as Daniel Lendman says, I was hardly a model or exemplar student.",
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"text": "I meant that in the best possible way, Joel!!!",
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"text": "We need to have mini-TAC seminars all over the country (well world, really). With brunch and whiskey. I have Stockholm Syndrome too.",
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"text": "Catherine the Johnnies do that; it always struck me as odd that TACers don't. But I think that's partly because of the TAC myth that the experience can't happen outside its walls",
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"text": "That's funny, I didn't run into that particular brand of TACism.",
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"text": "it was rampant when I was there...if you talked to faculty about grad school, they would start by shrugging and sighing with a sort of despair",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland: https://docs.google.com/.../1xBzrZlfGzxi5e4vjhulzIZL.../edit\nEducation Without Credentials - Google Docs\ndocs.google.com",
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"text": "I can imagine one thing -- you certainly can't recreate the experience of having four years to discuss everything. If you have brunch or a weekend, it ends too soon and that can be a little dampening.",
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"text": "Matthew, that sounds wonderful.",
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"text": "Many programs do something similar. I've given up hope on TAC per se (they should do what George does via the James Madison program in cities across the country with Princeton alumni for sheer fundraising proposes alone) but I think there is a lot of room in this space - as many people are starving for something like this - and not just TACers.\nBy doing it regularly - like going to a gym or club - one can satisfy the appetites over time.\nExamples abound, from Clubs in English mining towns to the lyceums in Lincoln's America.\nThere is no reason we can't do this.",
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"text": "I'm a bit late on the topic of measurement, but one thing that would help Freshman Lab and Sophomore math would be to have a some observations of the basic motions of the heavens over a few months. The bit of observation we did at the beginning of Sophomore year was a joke. It's a good chance to think about how measuring works and it would make astronomy a lot more imaginable for a lot of students--perhaps it could even ensure that there would be no future debacle's like the Great Kolbeck Ptolemy Final Massacre of 2003.",
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"text": "JA Escalante: I'm visiting WCC right now, dreaming about applying for position and moving to Lander to develop just that kind of artistic/naturalist program.",
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"text": "What Henry Zepeda said",
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"text": "I think St. Mary's Integral Program does a bit better with the observational side of astronomy, but I'm not quite sure what they do. Joe Zepeda, do you guys have astronomical observations as part of Freshman year lab/science?",
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"text": "Henry Zepeda don't most students get that anyways while drinking heavily in the wood? It might be a bit redundant. ",
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"text": "but the stars are spinning unnaturally in that circumstance",
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"text": "??",
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"text": "In what circumstance?",
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"text": "The neverending threat moves too fast for me!",
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"text": "^first chapter of my autobiography",
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"text": "Has this thread won the Internet yet?",
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"text": "\"In the beginning of life, in a dark wood drinking heavily....\"",
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"name": "Thomas Hall",
"text": "I feel so privileged to have played a small role in this. Do all of us get a check or something?",
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"text": "yeah. I believe peregrine gave your name a check on his list of suspected heretics.",
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"name": "Thomas Hall",
"text": "*Suspected*? That's all? I have failed.",
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"text": "i am on the soon to be burned. So idk.",
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"name": "Thomas Hall",
"text": "When they burn me I hope they use cedar. I love the smell of cedar.",
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"text": "all right. I need to stop being mean. Unjust excommunication has no merit this way.",
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"text": "TAC exhaustion and depression comes from lack of sacred theology. If you try to plant these seeds across the nation, you will get major blow back from sacred theology.",
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"text": "How many TAC students does it take to change a light bulb?\nA: Just one, but it takes a very long time. You have to wait till senior year, then the student can just hold the light bulb over his head, while the entire Cosmos revolves around him.",
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"text": "How many Christendom students does it take to change a light bulb?",
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"text": "How many? ",
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"text": "How many Christendom students does it take to change a lightbulb?\nLightbulbs?! Wa-choo looking at our lightbulbs for? Our lightbulbs are just fine... we like 'em just the way they are, thank you very much... now why don't you just go back to where you came from.",
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"text": "Also: How many TACers does it take to change a light bulb?\nA: It depends.",
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"text": "\"TAC exhaustion and depression comes from lack of sacred theology.\" That's funny, I have a (non-TAC) friend who thinks that TAC depression comes from the overabundance of dogmatic and doctrinaire theology found there.",
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"text": "Interesting statement from St. Thomas Aquinas against the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Relying on Aristotle's anotion of ensoulment, Thomas asserts: \u201cIf the soul of the Blessed Virgin had never incurred the stain of original sin, this would be derogatory to the dignity of Christ..\u201d Thomas maintained: \u201cThe Blessed Virgin did indeed contract original sin, but was cleansed from it before her birth from the womb\u201d (III, 27, 2, ad2). \nIn the 14th C, the Franciscans opposed the Dominicans by supporting the Immaculata. At the Council of Basil, the Church declared that Mary was not included in the doctrine on original sin.",
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"text": "Because of St. Thomas, and his Aristotelean view of the human soul -- which contended that ensoulment takes place after conception, and only a rational being could be preserved from sin -- the Dominicans were the last hold out within the Church in support of the Immaculate Conception.\nIn the 19th Century, Pope Pius IX, with support from a vast majority of bishops, and shortly after the vision of the Miraculous Medal which reads \"O Mary, conceived without sin...\" the Church promulgated the infallible doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. \nI think this shows the need for assent in sacred theology.",
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"text": "\"I think this shows the need for assent in sacred theology.\" No problem there.",
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"text": "Also, how many Christendom students does it take to change a light bulb?\nA: That's not really the right question to ask. Chirstendom students aren't allowed to do anything until the Magisterium tells them it's ok, and that can take centuries.",
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"text": "Catherine, \"doctrinaire theology\" I think is what Liberals say. It is baseless. They see it as dead and lifeless. Indeed, there version of it is. But in the true sense, we are just talking about first principles, when we talk about dogmas, and assent to first principles by faith, not because they are self-evident to the reason, but by grace and assenr. We depart from first principles as we launch into theological inquiry, in the same way that medieval science departs from self evident first principles. Or we can arrive at dogma, through an examination of the theological debate which led to the dogma. The Immaculate Conception for example. I do not see how anyone could see this is doctrinaire or anything other than animated and life+giving.",
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"text": "Perescott, you still haven't defined what YOU mean by sacred theology",
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"text": "Q: How many TAC students does it take to change a light bulb? I really need to know.\nA: Don't worry, it all becomes clear for you senior year.",
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"text": "B'tia, do you really want a definition? Or are you just asking? Pearls before swine and all... I can give you a definition that would melt your soul and help you slay dragons, but you've really got to want it..",
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"text": "Liam Collins- I'm guessing your dad is Sean? I just want to say that senior lab with him was unforgettable. One of my all time favorites- he is just so perfectly suited to that kind of thing. I don't know what they're changing from that class, but it would be a shame if they keep Faerie Queen but change senior lab. I'll always remember the class where your dad asked what it means to say \"at the same time\" and I quickly gave what I considered to be a good explanation, and he kept picking it apart and then I realized that I couldn't really define it. It was like the time in junior theology when Kolbeck said he fell out of his chair the first time he realized that, since God's essence & existence are one and the same (I'm paraphrasing quite a bit here), then when we have the beatific vision, God is literally dwelling in our minds.... it's moments like that that I like to relive when I think back to my Arcadia.",
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"text": "Such madness... and schadenfreude...",
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"text": "Okay, are you ready for a definition of sacred theology, a definition to set the world on fire?\nI deliver a promise to not overpromise and underdeliver.",
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"text": "Right now, everything is happening at the same time. Just a thought. I digress...",
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"text": "I always through that junior and senior math and science needed major revision. But I also had Mrs. Gustin for senior math, which was a disaster (that may not have been the case had it been just a few years before)\nWhat is covered freshman and sophomore year was okay. But there is a reason Fabre is often sold to homeschoolers....a fun text maybe through middle school. Of course you cannot presume that freshman would have covered such basic things, but I still think of sophmore and freshman year as remedial, and the important aspects able to be accomplished much more quickly.\nSenior year needed more order. And more competent tutors. Ours for science was actually good. The same cannot be said of say junior mathematics. Frankly after having what sadly devolved to a shouting match with the tutor over what dx/dy meant, I was bemused the next morning to overhear Dr. Ferrier repeating to my tutor the exact same points I made...even if one competently, you end with what is in some aspects less than HS calculus. And you only can hope to get infinitesimal calculus down. Which is woefully way behind. You never even hear epsilon, delta.\nAnd we do a terrible disservice to non-Euclidean geometry, e.g. the hyperbolic geometry of Lobachevsky....heck how many students, in all foolishness tried proving the 5th postulate? Or squaring the circle, or giving a Euclidean trisection of the angle? All of which things are not simple unproved, but proved to be impossible. Heck many students didn't understand what was even meant by \"Euclidean\" when one said there was no way of trisecting the angle with \"Euclidean geometry\"\nBut frankly I liked Freshman and Sophomore year math. It could be improved, yes. But I found no major fault with it. The sort of things raised later, such as incorrect proofs given by Euclid that moderns have found I don't mind being ignored (partially because many of them may not be incorrect, e.g. book I prop I is listed as a faulty proof by moderns, because it assumes without proof that the two circles intersect....but that really goes to an argument over the nature of mathematics...and not a new one. Proclus gave that as an example of an error of Euclid.)",
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"text": "Hmm. . . I had Molly before the decline... and the order was well done. But I had her for both junior and senior math, so I can't speak to any other tutor with deficient knowledge of the subject. \nI loved non-Euclidean geometry, but wish we would have read Gauss instead. Or maybe Georg Cantor... after Molly's decline it seems like there isn't much left of that tutorial",
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"text": "Does anyone else think a whole semester on the Politics is unnecessary? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?",
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"text": "Possibly, but please don't even think about taking time away from the Ethics.",
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"text": "Definition of Sacred Theology:\nA preamble...\nLet's define sacred theology. Let us give it a definition, in the same way that the lesser sciences have a definition; in the same way that natural theology (metaphysics) or geometry have been given a definitions. And what is a definition but a central truth? and how important truth is to knowledge! for, just as in the lesser sciences, an error is something that is not true, it is a falsehood, or an error in definition. But in sacred theology, which deals with higher things, what is an error in definition but a heresy? So let us define sacred theology in such a way as to ensure that every curriculum can adopt it easily, so that it helps the student begin at the right place and proceed in the right direction.",
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"text": "how about genus and difference? Can you do that?",
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"text": "Okay, how about a cease-fire at least until the initial proposed definition is made? I for one am interested.",
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"text": "Not to be picky, Nina, but it's Bueller! As in Ferris Bueller!",
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"text": "haha i had a classmate in highschool who spelled it that way... sorry... fixed it!",
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"text": "\"To do theology - as the Magisterium understands theology - it is not sufficient merely to calculate how much religion can reasonably be expected of man and to utilize bits and pieces of the Christian tradition accordingly. Theology is born when the arbitrary judgment of reason encounters a limit, in that we discover something which we have not excogitated ourselves but which has been revealed to us.\"\n- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, The Nature and Mission of Theology",
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"text": "Nina Rachele - I think a semester on the politics and ethics is more than needed - it is vital. The problem is the way it is treated.",
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"text": "the way it is treated? you mean, the method, or the attitudes toward it of students or tutors?",
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"text": "I do believe in a full semester on the ethics.",
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"text": "Attitudes and the framework within which it is set. Definitely should be seen as vital - more related, in fact, to life as lived by most graduates ever after than much of what student think they value more.\nHow many people have gone into philosophy to study the \"higher things\" and fizzled out? Heh. I know a lot of peeps with a Masters in Metaphysics.\nBut we all live with politics.",
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"text": "That's one reason why I think it should be read in seminar, along with the other works of political science. Preferrably in its entirety, before we read Hobbes, for example.",
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"text": "*er, I guess the hidden premise in that statement is that I always thought of seminar (for the most part) as the class where we *were* trying to connect to life lived outside and after TAC.",
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"text": "...and, you know, to feelings.",
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"text": "I'm blocking this undead mess of a thread.",
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"text": "Catherine, be careful about engaging the troll.",
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"text": "I am in fact interested in the magisterium topic because I've been struggling with my own difficulties (not because I am a TACer for sure -- on the contrary) to accept what it is and what kind of sway it really ought to have over intellectual inquiry, primarily because I was discussing it with someone over a certain period of time. \nMy friend pointed out something I heard several times but haven't actually paid attention to: When a tutor takes the oath of fidelity, he or she says \"... I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act.\" \nThis is clearly not talking about ex cathedra statements, because intention and pronouncement in a certain formula is clearly required for infallible statements. How is something part of the magisterium when the pope/bishops do not even intend it to be definitive? What does the above section of the oath even mean?",
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"text": "It's hard for me to understand how we can have actual intellectual inquiry if we have already decided to submit our minds to things not intended to be taught definitively by very fallible people (i.e. the pope and the college of bishops not making formulaically infallible statements).",
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"text": "I understand not all tutors must take this oath (I suspect the non-Catholic faculty would not), but the wording of the oath sounds misguided. http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/catholic-life/oath-fidelity\nOath of Fidelity | Thomas Aquinas College\nwww.thomasaquinas.edu\nIn keeping with the College\u2019s commitment to remain faithful to the Magisterium of the Church, and in accordance with canon law, members of the Thomas Aquinas College faculty take the Oath of Fidelity and make the Profession of Faith, printed below:",
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"text": "The CDF in its commentary on that paragraph states: \u00abTo this paragraph belong all those teachings \u2013 on faith and morals \u2013 presented as true or at least as sure, even if they have not been defined with a solemn judgement or proposed as definitive by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. Such teachings are, however, an authentic expression of the ordinary Magisterium of the Roman Pontiff or of the College of Bishops and therefore require religious submission of will and intellect.18 They are set forth in order to arrive at a deeper understanding of revelation, or to recall the conformity of a teaching with the truths of faith, or lastly to warn against ideas incompatible with those truths or against dangerous opinions that can lead to error. A proposition contrary to these doctrines can be qualified as erroneous or, in the case of teachings of the prudential order, as rash or dangerous and therefore 'tuto doceri non potest'.\u00bb http://www.vatican.va/.../rc_con_cfaith_doc_1998...",
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"text": "Even when they do not speak definitively the successors of the Apostles are authentic \"witnesses to divine and Catholic truth,\" and \"speak in the name of Christ\" (Lumen Gentium 25), \"The one who hears you hears me.\" (Luke 10:16).",
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"text": "And what if they contradict prior teaching? Especially when it is held by a majority of theologians as infallible. The very basis is a document whose authority is not de fide.",
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"text": "yeah. It silences discussion of the most urgent questions. Why not the oath against modernism? Are we not to discuss Pascendi as it relates to current magesterial \"teachings\"?",
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"text": "Pater, what is to be held de fide by the faithful? That is the question.",
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"text": "One of the very terms in that CDF explanation is comdemned. What does \"deeper understanding\" mean. An ambiguous law is not binding.",
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"text": "We are to discuss Pascendi as it relates to current teaching. Of course. Hermeneutic of continuity.",
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"text": "Again read carefully the Hermeneutic of continuity instruction. Can you define the terms used unambiguously? Can a submission of Faith be required of non-infallible statesments which seem to contradict prior more authoratative teaching AND all discussion of those apparent contradictions be forbidden?",
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"text": "Do you see my frustration?",
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"text": "Obviously it is necessary to discuss apparent contradictions. Especially apparent contradictions between teachings that require submission of faith (Unam Sanctam for instance) and those that require merely religious submission of will and intellect.",
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"text": "How many discussions do we have going on here at the same time?",
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"text": "distinguish: religious submission vs. assent of faith",
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"text": "cant see that... off to mass",
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"text": "But John Ruplinger, assent of faith is strictly speaking only given to truths contained in the deposit of faith, but religious submission can be given to truths in some way connected to that deposit, or to prudential decisions of the rulers of the Church, the successors of the Apostles.",
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"text": "This relates to Catherine's question as well as Newman and development of doctrine and magesterium and theology at tac and how to teach. When it ends it will be clear.",
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"text": "and when the one contradicts the other, what then? (And i see the hermeunetic of continuity as keeping open wide the door to private interpretation of dogma)",
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"text": "\"The talk was a series of assertions and interjections. Ambrose lived in and for conversation; he rejoiced in the whole intricate art of it - the timing and striking the proper juxtaposition of narrative and comment, the bursts of spontaneous parody, the allusion one would recognize and one would not, the changes of alliance, the betrayals, the diplomatic revolutions, the waxing and waning of dictatorships that could happen in an hour's session about a table. But could it happen? Was that, too, most exquisite and exacting of the arts, part of the buried world of Diaghilev?\" (E. Waugh)",
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"text": "Sacred Theology:\nA short definition.\nSacred theology is the science pertaining to all supernatural truths revealed by God to man in the sacred deposit of the Faith, under the authority of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church in Her extraordinary and ordinary capacities. It is distinct from natural theology (metaphysics) whose object is Being, and God, and which proceeds by reason.\nThe longer definition of Sacred Theology will be given before Peterson's fb page turns into a pumpkin.",
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"text": "Sic ergo theologia sive scientia divina est duplex. Una, in qua considerantur res divinae non tamquam subiectum scientiae, sed tamquam principia subiecti, et talis est theologia, quam philosophi prosequuntur, quae alio nomine metaphysica dicitur. Alia vero, quae ipsas res divinas considerat propter se ipsas ut subiectum scientiae et haec est theologia, quae in sacra Scriptura traditur. \nUtraque autem est de his quae sunt separata a materia et motu secundum esse, sed diversimode, secundum quod dupliciter potest esse aliquid a materia et motu separatum secundum esse. Uno modo sic, quod de ratione ipsius rei, quae separata dicitur, sit quod nullo modo in materia et motu esse possit, sicut Deus et Angeli dicuntur a materia et motu separati. Alio modo sic, quod non sit de ratione eius quod sit in materia et motu, sed possit esse sine materia et motu, quamvis quandoque inveniatur in materia et motu. Et sic ens et substantia et potentia et actus sunt separata a materia et motu, quia secundum esse a materia et motu non dependent, sicut mathematica dependebant, quae numquam nisi in materia esse possunt, quamvis sine materia sensibili possint intelligi. \nTheologia ergo philosophica determinat de separatis secundo modo sicut de subiectis, de separatis autem primo modo sicut de principiis subiecti. Theologia vero sacrae Scripturae tractat de separatis primo modo sicut de subiectis, quamvis in ea tractentur aliqua quae sunt in materia et motu, secundum quod requirit rerum divinarum manifestatio. \nSuper Boethium De Trinitate, Q. 5, a. 4, Resp.",
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"text": "I dont believe i make a mistake in this regard. Can you be specific? Or is this to Peregrine? I dont think I have denied the distinction though i perhaps i mistake the full scope of metaphysics.",
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"text": "I don't think that response was addressed to you ",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, you last asked, I believe, what things have not been judged by the pope. I must respond that in recent years, no matters of undisputed contraversies have been decided. As such, it seems we are required to hold with religious assent those that the Church has always taught or those held before. The very doctrine of whether or how doctrine can change is at issue.\nLet me ask this instead. To renounce matters that demand the assent of Faith, is to renounce one's Faith. Shall I then renounce my Faith, to submit to matters that require religious submission? Moreover, am I not extended some sympathy, especially in light of Dignitatis Humanae? Does Nostra Aetate only assume good will in heretics, Jews, Muslims and even unbelievers, but none in Catholics who in no way reject the Faith? Or shall Ecumenism embrace all the former with open arms but her own faithful for \u201cerrors\u201d unexplained have only derision and scorn? Again, the hermeneutic of continuity slams the door on any inquiry that merely happens to find discontinuity, but this is a sly and underhanded trick and I call foul. Why? Because if some of the present teachings that require mere religious assent contradict some teaching that requires by Faith (and to keep the Faith) assent of Faith, isn't it a false reasoning that only tries to \u201ccorrect\u201d the constant teaching by making it conform by hermeneutical trick to the \u201cnew\u201d teaching?\nTo phrase it another way the hermeneutic of continuity demands that there be no objection: indeed it nods in favor to new teaching over established teaching making the latter conform to the former. In another way I read it as the pope saying, \u201cContinuity, let there be continuity, there will be continuity.\u201d As to scholastic objections, the reponse: \u201cnon disputandum est.\u201d And actions bear this out. For Gheradini took decades before he mildly voiced his well scientificly reasoned (scholastically speaking) argument. He produced no rash judgements (of what I've read). He merely introduced questions. And yet the house that published his work in English is now SHUT DOWN. Unbelievable. Non disputandum est. And how can you or anyone know what are the contraversies or objections if they can't be voiced but AS YOU DID, merely say \u201chermeunetic of continuity\u201d and discussion be damned? But you sacrifice Faith to current fad. \nAnd as to the instruction, I'll focus on one point only. It is ambiguous. What is the hermeneutic? Is it \u201cof reform\u201d or \u201cof renewal\u201d. By making these terms apposite, the pope has nullified his own directive. For is it reform? Or is it something new? What does he mean by reform? What Pius X meant? Again, an ambiguous law is not binding. So even it were ever right to correct irreformable dogma to make it continuous with novelty, the very decree that mandates this is null for its ambiguity (and that on only one point, for other terms too are ambiguous). \nAnyways, something while I work on Newman.",
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"text": "Sorry, I kinda guessed, but as you know I can't see Peregrine. Ironic, that invisibility was the only reason I entered this thread, and now I can't get out",
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"text": "John, your last comment has made me laugh.",
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"text": "Also, your thoughts about the hermeneutic of continuity are very interesting.",
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"text": "I have two thoughts:\n1. It seems to me that the assent of faith does not give way to religious assent. (Here I think of Joan of Arc) \n2. It seems that the hermeneutic of continuity, in order to be authentically employed, cannot \"nod in favor of new teaching over established teaching. Rather, it must see how there is a concord, and reconcile both according to the authority of said teachings.",
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"text": "there is no escape. But Youknowwho distinguished \"Sacred Theology\" from metaphysics (natural theology to him) insofar as natural theology proceeds by reason. So I suppose Sacred theology is unreasonable. \nAll clear here",
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"text": "Firstly, I don't imply that Pope Benedict played an underhanded trick. It is merely the effect of the words logically and concretely (as Newman might say).",
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"text": "But Daniel Lendman:\nAs to the first, she was never asked to deny an article of Faith and so it does not apply. As to the second, the problem is that it elevates any statement to level of infallible doctrine. There is NO WAY to question it.",
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"text": "Additionally, he falsely asserted that metaphysics treats of God as a subject. This mad clear to me a great number of his problems. Because he holds this definition he needs to find a way to distinguish between metaphysics and theology. This is why he makes such a big deal about \"assent to the fulness of faith.\" Of course we agree with him that Sacred theology requires the assent of faith, but we don't need to make such a strong distinction there. We follow Aquinas and distinguish according to formal objects. Sacred Theology alone treats of God directly. This is why the whole Summa Theologiae is Theology. Even the preambles; even the stuff that can be known by reason! Why? Because it is proceeding according to a higher light, and starting with God as its formal object.",
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"text": "Are objections to be tossed with the scholastic method as well? (continuing my previous post)",
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"text": "I think you make a good point with regards to the second. I have seen this with VII. There is a tendency, because there are so few/no formal definitions in Vatican II documents to assume that every thing and every word is infallible.",
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"text": "Is it not ironic that we can question former teachings of the Chruch under the \"doctrine\" of development, but we are barred from questioning any current statements (and how current? today's? fifty years ago?) under religious submission? The only ground for criticizing current teaching (or the best I should say) is prior teaching; thus the grounds for valid criticism have been undercut.",
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"text": "Thus while criticizing those who treat Vatican II like superdogma, Benedict also elevated the same to level of infallibility, not per se, but because they cannot be criticized on account of \"religious submission\" of LG and the requirement of heremeneutic of (reform, of renewal in) continuity.",
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"text": "hence the nostalgia for one page encyclicals.....",
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"text": "Yet another riddle: almost every peritus (including Ratzinger) has at some time declared discontinuity or even rupture (either triumphantly or with remorse)",
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"text": "why can't we throw Unum Sanctam and Nostra Aetate in a ring and watchem duke it out?",
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"text": "Youknowwho called me a heretic for quoting Unum Sanctam and taking it seriously. But I guess that's what I get for sticking to the wrong Magisterium. I'm supposed to follow the ordinary, I guess, not the one that defines and proclaims......",
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"text": "or one Matthew might like : Libertas vs. DH. [I'll bet it all on the former btw ]",
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"text": "I dunno. Seems like VII is treated as superdogma by almost no one.",
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"text": "Sweet, someone mentioned Joan of Arc. I was also thinking of her. Daniel , you are on a roll!",
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"text": "(Though I still recommend kindness to people (including \"trolls\"), even if they are unkind back to you.)",
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"text": "but can any one say what it means? authoratatively? If we changed this thread to \"will the real vii stand up\", we could guarantee its unendingness. (Matthew)",
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"text": "Isn't that the problem though -- not even the magisterium knows what the magisterium actually includes?",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland,4 before the Second Renaissance of the never-ending thread (inaugurated largely by your return) I posted this with regards to the troll. You may not have seen it.\n\"My final direct address to Scott: I do apologize for losing my temper with you above. I do sincerely hope that you have friends and family that you can communicate with in a loving and mutually benefiting way. Your questions are good. your reasoning is poor. You ought not to insult women. That is all.\"",
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"text": "I just don't see many saying or acting as if VII was superdogma.\nI do see a lot of people on this thread making superdogma out of a tiny fraction of other councils and Papal pronouncements ripped out of context to suit their own present purposes, however.",
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"text": "Matthew , I wish I grew up in your world! Vatican 2 was all I heard of growing up and even the Baltimore catechism was thrown out for being outdated. Then again it's usually treated as \"super dogma\" without actually being understood or sometimes even read.",
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"text": "Matthew, I also encounter a lot of V2 as Superdogma.",
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"text": "That's not superdogma - that's simply finding an excuse for licentiousness. \nThose people don't believe in such a thing as dogma, and that is not the fault of VII. \nThe original sin of traddies everywhere is blaming the sudden use of VII as VII's fault. Whatever it's faults, if the Church was not already as it was no one would have been for the liturgical changes that it obviously did not force on anyone - and the masses would have used VII against its abusers. Let's not pretend they did so.\nIn any event, it's not superdogma - most of the people you are complaining about have read less of VII than you. They aren't even very familiar with it, and they don't truly hold to it.",
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"text": "But their use of VII is similar to the select use of certain Papal pronouncements and encyclicals and councils on the other extreme, I suppose.\nIn both cases we know the obvious black and white position of the Church via a few mantras ripped out of context to fit the personality and predilections of the proponent in contemporary life.",
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"text": "no the problems surely predate vii. And how can i bring up all the docs of the prior hundred years. Lots more than a couple docs. One could point to entire corpora of some popes.",
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"text": "DEFINITION OF SACRED THEOLOGY:\nCRITIQUE OF THOMAS AQUINAS COLLEGE\nSacred theology is the study of divine revelation. It is more than the study of God. It is the study of what God is saying to man. Sacred theology proceeds as a science, from principles first and better known, to new knowledge, through study of its first principles, and in light of Sacred Tradition and the Sacraments of the Faith, and in the development of the Church\u2019s doctrine and dogma.\nIn Catholic liberal education, sacred theology is the highest science. It begins with Wisdom. Wisdom is a supernatural virtue, that makes the soul responsive to assent to divine truths. In Catholic liberal education, Wisdom does not have a double meaning: Wisdom is not also defined as the end of natural theology or metaphysics. Wisdom begins with the fear of the Lord, which is an assent to revelation and the deposit of the Faith. It is those things which are not revealed by flesh and blood, but by \u201cmy Father in heaven.\u201d (Matthew 16).\nHowever, in its Charter, Thomas Aquinas College has mis-defined Wisdom, but stating that it comes through study of the great masters. It even falsely claims that papal encyclicals have asserted that wisdom comes at the end study of the Masters, rather from the beginning of the fear of the Lord, where it says that \u201cpapal encyclicals made it plain that the perennial wisdom was to be studied through the works of the great masters\u2026\u201d \nIndeed, Thomas Aquinas College seems to admit that its version of Wisdom is incomplete when it says in its charter that \u201cmetaphysics, or first philosophy, is also an essential part of liberal education, because it is necessary for the full development of theology.\u201d\nHowever, metaphysics is not necessary for the full development of sacred theology. But assent to divine revelation is, and this is what is missing in the curriculum at Thomas Aquinas College. \nIn fact, the few doctrines that Thomas Aquinas College teach in its curriculum are rarely, if ever, demonstrative of the role of theological Wisdom and the Magisterium in the development of the doctrine.\nAs a matter of Faith, sacred theology is supported by numerous infallible teachings of the Church, including:\nThat man has the gift of the sacred science by infusion of grace; that this grace is infused in man prior to an act of free will; that the vision of God transcends natural cognition; that even God\u2019s existence is an object of supernatural faith, not merely reason; and that it is impossible without grace to study the faith and come to the correct conclusions. \nIt is wholly inadequate for a Catholic college to exclude sacred theology from its curriculum, especially when it proposes to be the completion of liberal education.\nYet Thomas Aquinas College imposes its version of natural theology into the place of sacred theology when it makes its unfounded claim that \u201ctheology completes and perfects the intellectual life of a free man.\u201d In proper context, the charter of the college is speaking of metaphysics when it uses the word \u201ctheology\u201d in the preceding quote. It claims then that this type of Catholic education presents \u201cliberal education in its fullness.\u201d\nThis is a false claim; for by its own admission the college admits that it does not present theology in its fullness; while again falsely claiming that its version of metaphysics is necessary for the completion of the study of sacred theology. Both of these claims are false. For sacred theology begins with assent to divinely revealed principles revealed by grace and imparted by Wisdom.",
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"text": "The more one reads, the more the contrast appears. And the more clear the underlying problems.",
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"text": "We finally have a definition on the table.",
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"text": "In short, TAC says in its charter that its curriculum and presentation of metaphysics is necessary for the completion of theology as a science. In fact, the Church, infallibly, states the exact opposite.",
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"text": "Moreover, Matthew, your barb misses the mark. I dont think i have quoted one text. Pascendi, i have refered to most and as a whole, but that and the oath as well as its promulgation and Lamentabile Sana are not like others. Their roar still reechoes and the mere mention causes sneers or knees to quake. Not your typical papal decree of the last 500 years. EDIT: no quote of a pre vii text.",
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"text": "for those John) who can't see it:\n\"Sacred theology is the study of divine revelation. It is more than the study of God. It is the study of what God is saying to man. Sacred theology proceeds as a science, from principles first and better known, to new knowledge, through study of its first principles, and in light of Sacred Tradition and the Sacraments of the Faith, and in the development of the Church\u2019s doctrine and dogma.\"",
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"text": "I don't think I've known others who have treated VII as a super dogma in itself, but it begins to take that appearance when they act dismissive to the previous 1900+ years of the Church's teachings and existence.",
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"text": "Peterson: No one has ever claimed Trent, or Lateran IV or Florence was \"THE COUNCIL\". VII gets that treatment. I've been told VII overrides and nullifies everything that came before, an obvious impossibility from the Catholic perspective.",
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"text": "It's like trying to read Lumen Gentium without having read Mystici Corporis. Not freakin' possible.",
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"text": "Simple right way of thinking:\nInterpret the obscure by the plain.",
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"text": "So... not having attended TAC (unless you count those three classes I sat in on about 10 or 11 years ago), I can't help but interject, because I teach class tomorrow evening and have a dissertation to write, so, I need pointless procrastination. Plus this thread has popped up in my feed every day for the last however long and yada yada yada.\nI agree that TAC ought to have more education in sacred theology. I think that's a good thing, though one which is understandably difficult to incorporate into a great books curriculum. I am not proposing any solution.\nBut, this last diatribe by Peregrine is, well, just wrong, at least according to St. Thomas. Wisdom is manifold. We talk about the wisdom with regard to practical matters, i.e., prudence (In Nic. Eth., lib. VI, lec.6-10); we talk about wisdom as a knowledge of the highest principles of reasoning about matters proportionate to human understanding (ibid., lec.5-6); we talk about wisdom as a gift of the Holy Spirit infused by grace, by which man judges rightly through inclination, and we talk about wisdom as a principle of judgment through knowledge, as the whole who has attained knowledge of highest principles and their application to further knowledge through some study (ST Ia q.1, a.6, ad.3),\nMoreover, Thomas states repeatedly in the Summa Contra Gentiles that a study of the things of earth, of the works of creation, is useful and in some ways even necessary for understanding the things of faith (e.g., SCG I, c.7-8, II, c.2-4).\nConsider: if there are errors which seem to invalidate the teaching of sacred theology which can be overcome only by a systematic development of metaphysics, then, in the realm of intellectual development, is not a rightly-considered metaphysics necessary for the teaching of sacred theology?\nI hope I'm not butting in too much... I just hate seeing Thomas misappropriated.",
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"text": "The definition of sacred theology has been around for hundreds of years. It's surprising how anyone could have missed it.",
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"text": "(Regarding supercouncil status in deed:) and my many attempts at rephrasing just how this is done by means of the \"hermeneutic of continuity\"? But more, it makes vii the reference point for all discussion as vii indirectly touches all matters of faith (often directly too).",
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"text": "Perescott of Goodriddens, you equivocate on \"Wisdom\" and claim that you're not. You take, explicitly, only one definition, and misapply that definition to the founders of TAC. \nThat, my \"friend\", is called a straw man",
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"text": "Sorry, I didn't mean to leave you all sputtering. I just wanted to convey the Church's definition of sacred theology. I didn't write any of the errors that are in the Charter of Thomas Aquinas College. So you can't really blame me for anything. Thanks and may God bless you.",
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"text": "^that, my \"friend\", is called douchebaggery",
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"text": "and no one is sputtering, more like TLDR",
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"text": "I could go paragraph at a time and tell you where you're wrong, but I don't think you'd listen.",
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"text": "Off topic, but appropriate http://www.openculture.com/.../philosophy-referee-hand...\nPhilosophy Referee Hand Signals\nwww.openculture.com\nThe next time you're presiding over an intense philosophical debate, feel free to use these hand signals to referee things. Devised by philosophy prof Landon Schurtz, these hand signals were jokingly meant to be used at APA (American Philosophy Association) conferences.",
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"text": "Before too much longer, though I don't want to derail anything in the interesting magisterium discussion, I would say this: obviously TAC is not \"the fulness of liberal education\" or whatever that quote was -- perhaps that's admissions office hyperbole. For one thing, that's not possible in four years. It's true that there is a profound and admirable attempt to have students follow a curriculum with elements from the trivium and quadrivium, and then going on to study natural and metaphysical sciences. \nFurthermore there's not even a pretense that TAC gives a complete education in all the branches of theology. No one there would even claim that. It's not supposed to do this. It may give you an amazing jumpstart (since you've read some scripture and a bunch of church fathers/doctors/documents), but that's it. \nAlmost any tutor you speak with will tell you that TAC only tries to be \"a good beginning\". They say (well, Mr. Collins has said), that we should really cover the same material in 8 years that is attempted to be covered in 4, only no one would come. Though really you could cover it for 80, or 800 years, and still not get to the bottom of it all. If you want to specialize in any of the sciences, divine or otherwise, you better immerse yourself in their pursuit for the rest of your life.",
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"text": "Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think no one at TAC is claiming to teach dogmatic or systematic theology, or even claiming that the way they teach theology is the only way or anything like that. \nIn fact, and to me this is one of the pluses of TAC, they don't really claim to teach anything at all -- they give the students access to these amazing and enduring texts from all time, and basically let them sink or swim, only they remind us that there is truth and Truth that we are all looking for, and we only have an incomplete piece of that since it is infinite. \nThey don't even have professors who profess to teach, but rather are co-disciples or travelers maybe further along the same road, who are asking questions of the students (and of themselves) to goad everyone to keep delving further into greater understanding of everything.\nAnd in fact many students are converted this way -- they go looking for further instruction in the official teachings of the Church (through RCIA or whatnot). My classmate was agnostic when she came (culturally Buddhist) and she is now baptized Catholic and in many ways a better Catholic than I am.\nThey most probably are not converted by the humility or charity of its students.",
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"text": "The initial claim (at the beginning of the never-ending thread) was that this was the only school of undergraduates where every single student in the student body was required to read vast sums of Aquinas and Aristotle. That's it. \nThat claim does not mean there is not another department in some undergraduate program that reads more Aquinas or Aristotle (that is, there might be some school that DOES read more), though that seems unlikely. For many people that's not even a desirable goal.",
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"text": "^Sweet, sweet RATIONALITY.",
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"text": "Catherine has totally settled the initial question. Really.",
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"text": "But we still have to settle the magisterium problem. That could take a while.",
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"text": "Wow, I step away for a couple of days, and a thousand new comments show up (which I have now finished reading) . . . 400 more till 2000.",
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"text": "I've always taken \"religious submission of intellect and will\" to be a limited kind of promise: it's saying something like \"I will not contradict authoritative teaching publicly and will be slow to think the opposite, especially in matters outside my area of expertise.\" (Or something like that).",
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"text": "I think the first part is important because oftentimes the public who hears you contradict authoritative teachings don't distinguish the various degrees of authority with which the Church speaks and, furthermore, are usually not well-educated enough to judge whether you have reasonable grounds for disagreement.\nThe second part is merely acknowledging the shakiness of human reason.",
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"text": "Strictly speaking, it's close to that: it means that one owes in trust and loyalty full assent of mind and will to propositions taught with regular authority (not merely that one owes it to the Church to be \"slow to think the opposite\"), *unless* one's informed (and there are clear criteria for \"information\") mind and conscience cannot but dissent, in which case, dissent must remain private and the public teaching not openly contradicted, though prudent questions in principle can be posed depending on the degree of authority which the proposition was taught, and one's own state in life.",
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"text": "There usually is a better way to say what you are trying to say Edward Langley (said with the utmost charity and in friendship )",
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"text": "However, Catherine's settling of the initial question has also been tried before. It doesn't answer Pere-whatever's objections. Frankly, I think the greatest problem with his critique is his misunderstanding of \"wisdom\" - it's various meanings and places, and his misapplication of it",
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"text": "JA, you wish I settled it.",
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"text": "you settled it in principle. practice will prove to be another thing, I'm sure",
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"text": "As Michael says, it's already been settled many times before. But that doesn't keep us from trying to reach an infinite number of comments. (And yes I think we should eventually discuss both 'infinite' and 'number'.)",
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"text": "transfinite.. have you studied your Georg Cantor? Is it aleph-null or greater?",
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"text": "No, I went to TAC.",
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"text": "bwahahahahaha.... I forgot, the program with a huge amount of math doesn't study math....",
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"text": "Far too much for me. Remember, TAC doesn't pretend to teach theology OR math. Just the historical development of mathematics.",
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"text": "then what the hell does it pretend to teach? Perescott? You seem to know everything...",
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"text": "History of mathematics. (Are you suggesting I'm another incarnation of the friendly thread troll?) Well, maybe philosophy of mathematics too. I don't know, maybe it does pretend to teach math. But then I really wouldn't have gone there.",
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"text": "My cousin is a math person and there was nowhere near enough mathematics for her.",
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"text": "But really the only reason they (we) study mathematics at all is because Plato says in the Republic that mathematics is a necessary preparation for the philosopher. Or I think he says something like that. (Edit: this is unfair -- they also study mathematics for its own sake and contemplation of the beautiful and all that too.)",
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"text": "Of course, because as Mr. Kenz or someone pointed out, you only get as far as basic high school calculus or something (okay, maybe a smattering of archaic non-Euclidean stuff), but it's not really the whole point of the program. It's only to make us nice little logical thinkers -- for the sake of philosophy, which is the handmaid of theology...",
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"text": "Which we don't study like nice little magisterium-bots, thank heavens. We're allowed to question what it means, including what the magisterium itself means. (Though I guess we probably are magisterium-bots in the end. I don't know.)",
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"text": "and as an 18 year old know-nothing what \"straight line\" means. Self evident to the wise, and all that",
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"text": "every time someone says \"-bot\" I just think hedonism bot\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5JxIrn4OVs\nHedonism Bot - Let the Games Begin",
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"text": "Thomas Aquinas College states in its Charter that the metaphysics it proposes \"is necessary\" for the \"full development of theology.\" This is false pretense. The contrary is true. In fact, revelation and assent to divinely revealed truths is what is necessary to the full development of theology. This is what the Church teaches, de Fide. So, again, the college has it completely backwards.",
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"text": "again, you're making it up as you go along, Perewhatever. \nYou're the one calling it metaphysics (and defining metaphysics other than St. Thomas)",
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"text": "The college itself, in its Charter, defines metaphysics as knowledge of God which is reasoned to, then states that this kind of knowledge is \"necessary for the full development of theology.\" This statement is false, and contrary to the Church's infallible dogma on supernatural revelation in the order of knowledge. \nI am not making this up as I go along. This is the argument that the college puts forward. And it is a false pretense.\nSo what does it matter if someone reads more Aristotle and Thomas than another, if they are in material heresy?",
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"text": "The claim they're making is about the knowledge reasoned to (the conclusions), and not the way one gets there (one can get there by reasoning or by divine revelation). And IIRC it's Thomism 101 that there is a difference between special and general metaphysics (cf. De ente et essentia ... or perhaps the commentary on Boethius' De Trinitate ... can't recall and too lazy to look it up). The mistake you're accusing them of would be one only an idiot would make.",
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"text": "The claim the college is making is that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of theology; namely, sacred theology, theology which proceeds from revelation. This false claim is a material heresy. The college defines metaphysics specifically as that science which leads to knowledge of God by natural reason. Then the college says that this metaphysics is NECESSARY for the full development of theology. This is false. This is heresy. This runs counter to the Church's infallible teaching on grace. Metaphysics is no way necessary for the development of sacred theology or for a believer to possess wisdom without qualification. On the contrary, as the Church teaches, revelation is necessary for the perfection of reason. \n\"But, as theology itself teaches, there is a knowledge of God and divine things which proceeds in the natural light of human reason. This knowledge, traditionally named metaphysics, or first philosophy, is also an essential part of liberal education, because it is necessary for the full development of theology.\" (Thomas Aquinas College, Founding and Governing Document; VII. Liberal Education, Its Parts and the Order Among Them; para. 7)",
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"text": "\"development\" is being used there in the Newmanian sense, and it's an obvious fact. If no metaphysics, then no Nicaea, and thus no decisive answer to heresy. It is not being claimed that the substance of revelation needs to be supplemented by metaphysics in a kind of partim/partim relation, only that theology to fully articulate itself must use metaphysics. Totally uncontroversial and orthodox.",
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"text": "Thomas Aquinas College also employs a hard and heavy interpretation of doctrine. Doctrine is used at Thomas Aquinas College to support this material heresy that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of sacred theology. This gives the wrong impression of theology and the Faith. Doctrine properly understood leads to human freedom. The way it is employed at Thomas Aquinas College leads to limitations of being truly Catholic. So, what is the point of reading the most Aristotle and Thomas of you get the Faith wrong?",
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"text": "\"heresy\" is a big word, especially when deriving that conclusion based on an elementary misreading of a very uncontroversial text",
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"text": "Material heresy is actually pretty common. What's remarkable here is that the founders of Thomas Aquinas College actually believed that metaphysics is NECESSARY to the full development of sacred theology, and that you don't see this. This is a very basic blunder, and contrary to the Church's de fidei teaching on grace, revelation and the relationship between Faith and reason.",
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"text": "You keep using English, I don't think it means what you think it means.",
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"text": "Peregrine I have answered you precisely, and you simply repeat your assertions without answering my argument or attending my distinctions. This isn't looking good for your case.",
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"text": "\"The purpose of the required philosophy courses is to assist students in a philosophical understanding of God, his creation, the nature of the human person, and certain philosophical errors which influence contemporary thought and scholarship, with the ultimate aims of providing a philosophical foundation for theological studies and of enabling students to present the Faith more reasonably and effectively.\"",
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"text": "Heretics.",
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"text": "More heresy:\n\"Christendom College acknowledges in its curriculum the essential role played by St. Thomas Aquinas in Catholic theology. Courses in philosophy and theology are taught according to the spirit, method, and principles of the Common Doctor.\"",
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"text": "Here we see a collapse into an inability to respond seriously to a very straightforward flaw revealed about Thomas Aquinas College. It teaches that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of theology. This is what the Charter of the college states clearly. This claim is a material heresy. No one responds to this fact, other than to say it is a wrong interpretation, and that this pat denial is a precise response. This is ridiculous.\nThis is what the Charter states, and this is what the College teaches: metaphysics is necessary for sacred theology. This claim is false, and contrary to what the Church teaches.",
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"text": "\"86-credit-hour core curriculum, ordered by Thomistic wisdom within a historical matrix\"\nHeresy\n\"Catholic Theology and Thomist Philosophy play a central role\"",
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"text": "I am going to repost what I wrote above. Please answer it, or stop talking.\n\"development\" is being used there in the Newmanian sense, and it's an obvious fact. If no metaphysics, then no Nicaea, and thus no decisive answer to heresy. It is not being claimed that the substance of revelation needs to be supplemented by metaphysics in a kind of partim/partim relation, only that theology to fully articulate itself must use metaphysics. Totally uncontroversial and orthodox\"",
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"text": "that is not a pat denial- that is an argument based on a distinction, and you have ignored both",
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"text": "Blue Book?",
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"text": "Man, I used to feel shitty about going to Franciscan, cause we didn't even try to pretend like we had rigour and weren't very clever or bright, but this thread has me feeling pretty good about it now, all things considered.",
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"text": "More heresy, no doubt:\n\"Finally, he studies philosophy, not just for the sake of a knowledge of reality, but also because philosophy serves to increase his understanding of the Creator of all things. He studies each of these disciplines for its own sake, but also uses them in the service of something higher. The Catholic tradition, then, does not destroy or diminish liberal education, but rather perfects it. The Catholic free man studies all of the disciplines both for their own sake and in the service of Theology, the 'Queen of the Sciences.'\"",
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"text": "Peterson: the quotation you cite does not appear to be a material heresy. However, TAC claims, in its Charter (Blue Book), cited above, that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of theology. This is heresy. The Church teaches de fide (infallibly) the opposite. \nJA Escalante: you are adding heresy to heresy now. Metaphysics is not necessary for the full articulation of sacred theology, revelation or Wisdom, and by claiming that metaphysics was necessary to the Church's infallible teaching from Nicea, you are really showing what you lack. Again, this is false. And you are beginning to sound completely arrogrant here, which is a clear effect of your flawed education. So I will wish you a good night sleep.\nAgain, material heresy is common, and when you claim that metaphysics was necessary for the full articulation of doctrine at Nicea, you really are in the realm of material heresy.",
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"text": "This is sad.",
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"text": "let's imagine Nicaea without metaphysical discourse. Go for it",
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"text": "The idea that theology doesn't presuppose philosophy in some way to some extent is asinine. Grace presupposes nature. First in the natural, then in the supernatural. \nRevelation speaks through what is natural. It speaks via human beings who have reason and live within nature. The study of God ceases to be study for you - it ceases to be possible. What you suggest is that somehow theology is it's own universe - no need for a handmaid - not for humans, I suppose.",
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"text": "Does anyone study St Thomas seriously without studying metaphysics? And doesn't St Thomas still hold pride of place among all theologians? I don't see the problem.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIDMhwT6srI\n\"What are the Roots of the Distinction between Theology and Philosophy?\"\nProfessor Jean-Luc Marion explored the supposed conflict between philosophy and theology in light of the present situation of philosophy -- that of the end o...",
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"text": "The doctrine of the Trinity was already very much a part of the sacred liturgy in the Eastern, Western and Oriental church's at the time of Nicea. What I think we see at Nicea is sacred tradition and the Holy Spirit through the Magisterium affirming tradition, and also helping to perfect a line of reasonable metaphysics. But to suggest that Nicean doctrine would have been impossible without metaphysics, or that metaphysics was necessary for Nicean doctrine to occur is really ludicrous. Sorry.",
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"text": "Although I believe Peregrine Scott Wineberg has been calling all of St Thomas metaphysics. Which is just dumb.",
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"text": "Why do you believe that, Jody?",
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"text": "Which?",
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"text": "I see. Nicaea defined its doctrine using purely Biblical categories, and then, on the side, as a favor to philosophy, perfected a line of metaphysics. Just on the side, you know. Nothing to do with the definition.",
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"text": "That I have been calling all of St. Thomas metaphysics?",
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"text": "You have been referring to all that is studied in the theology tutorial as metaphysics. You won't allow the study of the Summa to be called theology. Am I missing something in the last 1600 messages?",
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"text": "Oh look, the traditional Catholic Encyclopedia is heretical!\n\"The nature of metaphysics determines its essential and intimate relation to theology. Theology, it need hardly be said, derives its conclusions from premises which are revealed, and in so far as it does this it rises above all schools of philosophy or metaphysics. At the same time, it is a human science, and, as such, it must formulate its premises in exact terminology and must employ processes of human reasoning in attaining its conclusions. For this, it depends on metaphysics. Sometimes, indeed, as when it deals with the supernatural mysteries of faith, theology acknowledges that metaphysical conceptions are inadequate and metaphysical formulae incompetent to express the truths discussed. Nevertheless, if theology had no metaphysical formularies to rely upon, it could neither express its premises nor deduce its conclusion in a scientific manner. \"",
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"text": "The claim that TAC makes is that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of sacred theology. No one suggested that understanding metaphysics is not good when you study Thomas, Jody. But that is not the false claim the college is making. I thought you students understood distinctions.",
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"text": "Not just good but necessary.",
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"text": "Sam Rocha - so while you FUers were speaking in tongues and skipping class in favor of cooing electric koolaid Jesus rawk, Peregrine and friends were making sure they swore that Lincoln was an evil man on a bible wrapped in the confederate flag so they would be allowed to receive communion.\nMeanwhile, at Thomas Aquinas College...",
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"text": "Philosophy provides the language for theology. It isn't more important; it is required to talk about it most clearly.",
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"text": "JA, the nature of metaphysics determining its nature from sacred theology means that grace perfects nature. The Charter of the college is not sayinbg this. It is saying the opposite. \nYou guys seem to be in apoplexy. Sorry.",
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"text": "Jody, philosophy provided language for Thomas. The sacred theology of the Church is broader than this. Sorry they don't teach you this.",
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"text": "No, Jody, it's more about what the Church teaches as sacred theology, not Thomas' theology. Thomas erred. The Church does not.",
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"text": "Metaphysics is not necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology. Revelation is. This quote reveals the TAC skew, its material heresy.",
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"text": "A plant may depend on water. But water does not give a plant its being.",
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"text": "So, if you believe that Nicea may have depended on a western metaphysics, that is fine. But if you believe that metaphysics is necessary for what the Church teaches at Nicea, and in its Councils and in Her infallible teachings, and in its theology, and in the sacred theology of the Church, then you are a material heretic. This is a false doctrine of Thomas Aquinas College. And it is simply amazing the founders got this wrong.",
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"text": "Am I the only person on this thread who is starting to feel a bit awkward?",
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"text": "Dude, I stopped trying to follow what you seem to think passes for an argument at triple digits. Now I just wonder if you are a savant or just nuts, which might also be mutually inclusive.",
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"text": "Sam Rocha: I'm beyond awkward. A jaded face in Zuckerberg's Book of life.",
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"text": "Sam: But we're so close to 2000 comments!",
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"text": "And then there's THAT.",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "Nevermind, what was I thinking. Carry on, carry on, carry the fuck on.",
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"name": "Andrew Whaley",
"text": "I saw this thread had exploded, speculated how it got that way, and it would seem I was right. LOL.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Bwhahaha...this thread just is, man.",
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"text": "Sam, Dude, you seem like a really malformed character. I'll pray for you.",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "Thanks. Malformed doesn't even begin to tell the story. But toss some prayers for me when you're not slaying dragons on the interwebz.",
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"text": "I'm just here for the LOL's.",
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"name": "Ryan Penn",
"text": "Peregrine, the howling troll. Why don't you attend to that last quote JA just listed; you can't possibly believe your earlier comment did so with any coherence can you? Nicean formulations without metaphysics?!! Were the unicorns with you when you came to that conclusion?",
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"text": "Recap: material heresy revealed in TAC Charter which states that philosophy is necessary for the completion of sacred theology; in other words, if you want to study sacred theology, you better go to TAC. TAC apologists grow apoplectic.",
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"text": "Sam you're my fav",
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"text": "Aw, shucks...",
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"text": "Ryan, I am not a howling troll. Your rhetorical question \"Nicean formulations without metaphysics?!!\" simply begs the question.",
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"text": "So can we safely assume we all need real hobbies? I recommend rock climbing.",
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"text": "BTW, are any of you familiar with any of the Church's dogmas on sacred theology and revelation?",
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"text": "I really take exception to you (Scott Peregrine) accusing the founders of anything when they are not here to defend themselves.\nDid you know it is a sin to assume (and I would guess another sin to publicly accuse) another of a mortal sin? \nAm I the only one who can imagine Mr Berquist taking Scott's argument apart syllable by syllable? Dr McArthur would just thump and let him have it all in one blast (if he bothered to address such ridiculous arguments)",
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"text": "For hobbies, I think going to a Catholic college that actually teaches what the Church teaches is a great place to start.",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "So there's that. But really Peregrine can't we just fight about molanism?",
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"text": "It's far less ridiculous",
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"text": "Jody, I love your loyalty to the founders. If you were only half as loyal to the Church are Her teachings as you were to a group of extremist academics...",
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"text": "Again -- the whole of the church's hierarchy has not only turned a blind eye to the 'heresy factory' that is know as TAC but it actually endorses and supports it. We could list the cardinals and bishops. My own among them.",
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"text": "And that's not a hobby. Go talk to Dr Long and Waldstein if you want to fight about my theology credentials",
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"text": "Molanism?",
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"text": "IN A WORLD of material heresy...ONE MAN...",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "But seriously, Peregrine, what giant piece of work are you procrastinating on? I got this grant to write that I'd rather gargle broken glass than do and this is doing the trick. I can't begin to imagine what you're staying away from? Mother-in-law in town?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "one man... and about 42 dogmas of the Church.",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Sorry Molinism. Thanks siri",
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"text": "Brian kelly writes those endorsements, Jody, not your bishop.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "will face the hordes of Thomas Aquinas College grads...ALONE...",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Um. I can talk to my bishop directly. He isn't talking through anything.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Me, and the elephant in the room.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "That's just ridiculous Scott PB",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "So Matthew what are you avoiding tonight?",
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"text": "Your bishop is not what the Church teaches. Ask him is metaphysics is necessary for sacred theology.",
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"text": "My wife is reading over the job app I just wrote in political theory and I'm writing notes on a documentary proposal re LA political corruption",
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"text": "Stay on topic, Marina. The topic is I was just going to do something but I can't recall and that butter in the freezer needs to thaw but I think I'll watch another Ice Bucket fail video...",
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"text": "No -- according to you Scott PB, no one bishop, no cardinal -- but you alone are the voice of the Church.",
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"text": "I'm reading Much Ado About Nothing. I like this part:\n\"I wonder that you will still be talking, Signor Benedick.\nNobody marks you.\"",
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"text": "Don't worry, I doubt I will get the job.",
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"text": "Like a true academic.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Jody, you should study the Faith a bit more. You would see the falacy behind the statement that rational science is necessary for sacred theology. Sacred theology is reasonable, but it is necessary for an accurate metaphysics, not the other way around. This is what the Church teaches infallibly.",
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"text": "Jody, everyone I have talked to, who has had any contact with TAC alum, thinks you guys are nuts... a breeding ground of all sorts of heresies.",
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"text": "Did I miss a meeting regarding classical antiquity and patristics? Damn. I *always* miss that meeting.",
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"text": "<raises hand> Not this guy. Good chaps at TAC, if a bit square and not much fun at the pub (even thought they think they're a hoot, they're usually not).",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Ok Pere, can I call you Pere? We're all mad here. Haven't you heard?",
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"text": "This summer, watch a troll transform: INTO SOMETHING YOU'VE NEVER BEFORE.\nPeregrine Bonaventure: THREAD DRAGON",
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"text": "Sam you have never seen me in a pub. Don't talk nonsense",
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"text": "And I'm damn witty thank you very much.\nSee what I did there?",
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"text": "Sam Rocha come to Berkeley and I will vindicate the TAC pub spirit for you",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "So close to 2000, so close.",
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"text": "So, Thomas Aquinas College, in regards to Faith and Reason, teaches the exact opposite of what the Church teaches, and your response is there's been a misunderstanding... and that I'm a troll. OK, that's insane, but best regards to you all.",
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"text": "I think I should play a show down there this year, I'll letcha know. But I'll bring a book and a pillow, just in case.",
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"text": "Sure. File a complaint with Cardinal Burke. He spoke there so I'm sure he has the address.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Sam Rocha, your words ring true, but they reveal you haven't been drinking with the right grads. First off, distrust people who graduated in four years...\nYou need to play LA. We can make this happen.",
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"text": "I don't think they ever had a show there Sam. You could play it at Steckle though. That could work.",
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"name": "Emily Norppa",
"text": "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.\nStahp.\n(for what follows, please interpret ALL CAPS as italics. Seriously, Facebook, why can't we write in italics in comments?!)\nIsn't SOME KIND of metaphysics necessary for Sacred Theology, at least in the sense that WE NEED SOME VOCABULARY in order to talk about non-physical things? I'm not saying that Ye Perfect Metaphysics will be in place prior to any work in Sacred Theology, and in fact Mr. Bonaventure seems quite right that Sacred Theology would perfect metaphysics. But... we still need some WORDS to use to even begin the science, right?",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "No, no, the true 4-year TACers will bring the book and the pillow. They might even share.",
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"text": "Word. Seriously, toss my contact and I'll send them to my people (which is two people).",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "I guess I know enough of my Faith to be hired to work at the diocesan and parish level. But my bishop sounds like he falls under Peregrine's definition of 'heretic'.",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "I knew I was on to something, but I see I made a category mistake. I still need empirical, no, *phenomenological* evidence.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Yes Emily -- exactly. We need a language.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "well I really am a heretic from the RC point of view but I know what the Catholic Church teaches and I know what the TAC Charter says and there is no problem there whatever, as I have demonstrated",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Dude Jody no worries. It's not damnable if you didn't receive a coherent explanation of why. Worst case is material, tops.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I'll leave you with one parting thought. Go to the \"Blue Book\" and in part VII see where it states that metaphysics is necessary for sacred theology. Then compare this false statement with the Church's dogma on faith, revelation and the sacred science. This, by definition, is a heresy. Also note the vulgar comments and the sophistry coming from so many TAC alum. Then decide for yourself.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "We're at 1,891 -- I'm sure we can make 2000 before bed.",
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"text": "I'm only sophistical when no one is listening.",
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"text": "What you don't understand, Peregrine, is the TAC is actually an acronym for Toots Apes and Cheese, and its function it to slowly brew minds into leather flower pots, with the little holes in the bottom so excess water can drain out. Now, why, sir, are you quoting the lost booklets of Wittgenstein? I may switch to your side if that's intentional. GEM Anscombe anyone? A tart, perhaps?",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "And Sam Rocha - def drink with JA Escalante",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "Will someone please do a statistical analysis of the times that Peregine has said good bye in this thread?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "JA, you have not demonstrated anything. TAC teaches that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of sacred theology. This contradicts the Church. You have falsely claimed that metaphysics was necessary for the full development of doctrine at Nicea. This is totally false and heretical.",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "I liked Anscombe. She has thoughts.",
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"text": "As I was saying ^^",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "I like people with thoughts. Darn that liberal education",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The TAC Charter also claims that the curriculum places an emphasis on the doctrines of the Church instead of the history of the Church. Does anyone else see a problem here... maybe stretching things a bit?",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "I will miss this thread.",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "You know I might be mad. Ron MacArthur suggested my propensity for the word \"like\" indicated as much. Does that mean Pere and a TAC founder agree on something? *gasp* say it ain't so Sam .",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Philosophy of Education at UBC?? Good Lord!",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I want to elect Jody's bishop the next Pope.",
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"text": "I'll miss you, metaphysically first, then theologically -- but never biblically -- Peregrine.",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Hey his syllabus sounds interesting",
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"text": "My syllabus of ERRORS, of course.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "There is a spin off page dedicated to this thread (in case you missed it): https://www.facebook.com/GoesOnForever?fref=ts\nThe Neverending Thread\nThis is a fan page dedicated to \"Slideshow: 2014 Seniors and Thesis Titles,\" a link post and ensuing commentary.\nCommunity: 57 like this",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Well Sam those who can do. But as you are teaching education isn't that ironic?",
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"text": "Peregrine, by the way, has just launched a new offensive at me, based on my subfield and place of employment.",
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"text": "Is metaphysics necessary to the fulfillment of the philosophy of education at UBC, or does it not even depend on it?",
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"text": "You went to UBC?",
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"text": "But you have both. And that is something.",
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"text": "Does UBC mean University Before Metaphysics?",
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"text": "Ah. I'm outside of Vancouver. So we share a \"heretic\" bishop",
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"text": "Jody, you ought to come to my show at Regent College this week, seriously...",
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"name": "Bekah Sims",
"text": "Andrews Thomas Aquinas College. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. My eyes have been opened Scotty Boy! Thanks.",
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"text": "Vancouver is tragically beautiful. There are no theologians in Vancouver.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "C'mon y'all, keep it going. I'm not going to bed until we hit 2,000!",
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"text": "So does Peregrine know you or was he stalking you Sam?",
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"text": "No one said you are scum and villainy. Just that your founders were reactionaries, who perpetrate material heresy.",
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"text": "Jody, I hope you never stalk anyone. That would really be scary.",
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"text": "Again with the recognition of sarcasm! ",
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"text": "ah come on. You gave us more credit than that. We have become a heretic factory",
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"text": "It is about time Matt showed up",
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"text": "\"A breeding ground of heresy.\"",
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"text": "I just moved here, but I am already feeling VERY heretical, must be the water.",
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"text": "We should probably look at what we mean by \"necessary.\" It seems to me, Peregrine, that JA Escalante has already given argument for the necessity of metaphysics in theology. Is water \"necessary\" for a fish? I think you're taking one sense of necessity and thinking it means something we're not saying.",
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"text": "Floridated water, no doubt. It saps your vital essence.",
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"text": "Dang, Vancouver is the anchor for the Catholic Church in Canada. We are orthodox. Not learned. But orthodox.",
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"text": "To your question, Peregrine: You may want to read my book. It's short and has pictures. http://samueldrocha.wix.com/primer\nA Primer for Philosophy and Education, by Samuel D. Rocha\nsamueldrocha.wix.com\nA Primer for Philosophy and Education is a site promoting an illustrated book written by Sam Rocha.",
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"text": "No worries Sam, I do not think God holds UBC to the same standards as TAC. After all, they read more Aristotle than anyone.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "I love how intrepid newcomers actually pop in and say something intelligent. Thank you.",
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"text": "Whew! Thanks man! I was pretty worried about that.",
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"text": "Andrews Well the alum are proficient breeders, good to know they're squeezing heresies in the with all the babies.",
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"text": "Oh good, it even has ullustrations.",
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"text": "Or read the book on education by the \"heretic\" (according to Peregrine Scott) Archbishop J Michael Miller: http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Sees-Teaching.../dp/1933184205\nThe Holy See's Teaching on Catholic Schools\nwww.amazon.com\nThis book clearly explains what our Catholic schools should be -- and offers you practical advice on how to judge whether they are! At a conference at Catholic University in the Fall of 2005, Archbishop J. Michael Miller, the man responsible for Catholic education around the world, distilled for ...",
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"text": "Just make sure you teach your children the faith, before you turn them back over to TAC.",
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"text": "Jody, for the record, I never called your bishop a heretic. That's not even funny.",
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"text": "\"some things you can only know by faith\" right, but I just mean that if you didn't have any reason at all, you wouldn't know anything.",
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"text": "That's correct; reason is in man; but when we know by reason, this is using the word differently. When we know in faith, it is reasonable, because of reason in man, used in the primary sense. But this is not what TAC is saying. TAC is saying that unless you reason to God first, then you cannot really have the fullness of knowing God by faith. This is false.",
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"text": "Peregrine- I sat in class with the founders multiple times. And as far as I know all of them mentioned the old lady who had faith as the one who knew more than the scholar without.",
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"text": "See, this is good, because we are coming to where the terminology or whatever you want to call it is getting in the way. I say it's the fault of TAC's advertising (since it throws around the term 'necessary' where it might be misunderstood). TAC is certainly not saying that you cannot know God by faith fully unless you reason to him first. In no way.",
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"text": "oh i said it before, many times in the thread; but PB keeps dodging",
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"text": "Catherine, the TAC founders were reacting to those whom they felt were not emphasising the rational aspects of the faith enough. So it seems clear the overplayed their hand, when they state that metaphysics is necessary to sacred theology. If you take metaphysics completely away, you still have sacred theology.",
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"text": "If anyone is interested, I had a clear insight in to the Troll's error about theology up above, like a 1000 comments ago. This makes sense of all of his problems:\nThe troll falsely asserted that metaphysics treats of God as a subject. This mad clear to me a great number of his problems. Because he holds this definition he needs to find a way to distinguish between metaphysics and theology. This is why he makes such a big deal about \"assent to the fulness of faith.\" Of course we agree with him that Sacred theology requires the assent of faith, but we don't need to make such a strong distinction there. We follow Aquinas and distinguish according to formal objects. Sacred Theology alone treats of God directly. This is why the whole Summa Theologiae is Theology. Even the preambles; even the stuff that can be known by reason! Why? Because it is proceeding according to a higher light, and starting with God as its formal object.\nMetaphysics is necessary to have the fulness of Sacred Doctrine because grace perfects nature.",
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"text": "JA, TAC never says that metaphysics is necessary in the sense of doctrinal articulation. And the Church never says this either. You are just making it up because you cannot accept the facts. The Church says that sacred theology, Faith and revelation can exist without metaphysics, and that the former are necessary to perfect and fulfill reason. TAC has it completely wrong, and you are unable to accept this.",
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"text": "Can you explain what you think metaphysics is Daniel? I think this is where the misunderstanding lies.",
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"text": "Daniel, I am not a troll. Just look at your statement: \"Metaphysics is necessary to have the fulness of Sacred Doctrine because grace perfects nature.\" That makes no sense. If grace perfects nature, then revelation is necessary for metaphysics. This is what the Catholic Church teaches. TAC teaches the opposite.",
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"text": "Metaphysics is the science of being qua being. It cannot consider God directly. \nAs Thomas says:\nSic ergo theologia sive scientia divina est duplex. Una, in qua considerantur res divinae non tamquam subiectum scientiae, sed tamquam principia subiecti, et talis est theologia, quam philosophi prosequuntur, quae alio nomine metaphysica dicitur. Alia vero, quae ipsas res divinas considerat propter se ipsas ut subiectum scientiae et haec est theologia, quae in sacra Scriptura traditur.",
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"text": "That's backwards Daniel. Why do you not see that?",
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"text": "Metaphysics is not necessary to sacred theology. Sacred theology is necessary to metaphysics. Faith is necessary for reason. God is necessary for being.",
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"text": "Will you puh-lease answer the question. I'm about to go full blown teen angst here.",
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"text": "Marina, I know, there are many ways you can mean \"necessary,\" but this is the particular sense that the College uses it. And this is the sense that the Church uses it when it says that the sacred is necessary for the natural, not the other way around.",
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"text": "What is the question? How does the Church use necessary? How does TAC use necessary?",
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"text": "Faith is imperfect. It is not what is desired. Thus, it passes away. Knowledge is perfect and perfected. We rely on Faith because we do not see. It is knowledge, however, that we seek. This is why you were right Catherine when you said we know all things with reason, i.e. by the rational faculty. We don't come to know all things by reason, but we hold things held by faith as though they were held by reason because we have greater certainty in them.",
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"text": "Ok. How do you know that this is the sense meant, if there are many senses? It seems this requires us to go back to the words and tease out the meaning therein present, not the meaning any of us wants to impose. The words can speak for themselves. If they use the word necessity and there is a charitable interpretation, perhaps we should consider the possibility that the founders, whom are all good men as far as any can tell, noting that God looks at the heart, meant it in that sense.",
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"text": "Daniel, what the heck are you saying? The Church is infallible in matters of faith and morals. Now I see your error.",
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"text": "Goodnight, Irene.",
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"text": "This is why I used the axiom, grace perfects nature. Nature, in this case, knowledge of metaphysics, is perfected by Grace, in this case the light of faith, so that we can attain to the science of Sacred Doctrine.",
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"text": "I think Daniel is saying that when we hold things by faith, it is just as certain as if we held them by reason, or even more so. Is that righ, Daniel?",
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"text": "The troll either un-intentionally or intentionally misreads and misleads.\nMarina, try not to engage him.",
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"text": "Daniel- It was this or another episode of Buffy.",
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"text": "[Okay, some people are just not as far along as others (including me). It would help if we all stopped calling each other heretics and trolls, though of course I did this too, partly jokingly.]",
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"text": "I will comply with your request Catherine.",
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"text": "I guess that would take the fun out of everything for everyone though.",
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"text": "I only use the term troll as a formal designation to effectively convey to people what they are getting into. I have not and do not call anyone a heretic, because that is beyond my competency to determine. Someone might say something heretical, but I find that it is seldom useful to tell people that.",
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"text": "Peregrine, does this sound right?: God reveals himself to us. That revelation is what we study in sacred theology. \nBut we can also know things about God through natural reason (in a very limited way). \nIf you agree with that, as you seem to, wouldn't you say that our study of God would be missing a piece if we did not pay attention BOTH to how we know God through revelation, AND how we can know him through reason?",
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"text": "No, of course you're not calling people heretics. (Well, not of course... PERHAPS you may have done such a thing in past years.)",
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"text": "So that's all that necessary means in this case. Not that you NEED to read Aristotle's metaphysics and understand everything he said about oneness and being etc. to know what God has revealed about himself.",
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"text": "[You can all go back to name-calling when I go deal with my insomnia elsewhere.]",
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"text": "You guys are over achievers. You are 263 over 2000.",
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"text": "I hope he can here what you are saying, Catherine. The same has been said to him before and to no avail.",
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"text": "I thought you were going to bed, Jody! ",
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"text": "I thought you were too! Just checking in.",
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"text": "Not in a way that everyone can understand. I don't know that I have either.",
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"text": "Perhaps. This same argument has occurred on various threads before.",
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"text": "Okay, but at least we're all racking up comments.",
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"text": "Which, finally, is what is important.",
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"text": "Hence the thread renaissances of various stripes.",
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"text": "And to be clear, I think the questions posed by Scott are good questions. I just never have success in engaging him beyond the initial question.",
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"text": "It amazes me that anyone would ignore the necessity for at least the most basic natural knowledge in understanding even one word of scripture. In determining what a term means, who would question, when possible, studying contexts outside of scripture (it is not like biblical Hebrew is the simplest thing)\nMaybe some knowledge of what a mustard plant is like can help understanding that parable. Christ used imagery that would require generations of faithful to either study or accept from those that have things outside of revelation.\nIf in the most basic understanding outside knowledge is presumed, then revelation/scripture/theology cannot be wholly self-contained.\nWhen we go further, we find that Christ is both God and man. True God, true man. Hmm....the concept of person is not in scripture. It is a concept, though, that corresponds with true reality. But not one worked out much before Christianity. So in coming to understand what the Incarnation meant, we had to turn to the light of reason and understand the reality accessible to it more clearly. And in doing so, having an understanding of personhood, we then saw the revealed truth to a greater extent. Call it philosophy, metaphysics, etc, but the greater natural knowledge means a greater understanding of a very basic tenet of the faith. We cannot even begin to articulate \"true God, true man\" without such aid.\nHow can anyone honestly doubt the benefits of studying philosophy, and especially metaphysics, for understanding the faith? Metaphysics is the study of being qua being. If one prefers, just as knowledge of the mustard plant gives a greater context to the parable of Christ, so too the knowledge of being qua being cannot but give a greater knowledge of the context of revelation, by shedding light on the very basic principles of His creation.",
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"text": "\"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66.",
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"text": "I want to get back to John Ruplinger's questions above though. John R: I think a good example of a \"hermeneutic of reform in continuity\" is Tom Pink's reading of Dignitatis Humanae. Pink shows how there is \"continuity and discontinuity at different levels.\" The continuity is at the level of principles. As Pink shows, the Church has always held that the state has no native right to coerce in matters of religion, that the Church does have this right over the baptized, and that the Church can use the state as a secular arm to do this. The discontinuity is at the level of discipline; the Church in DH decides _as a matter of discipline_ to not make use of a secular arm. See: https://www.academia.edu/.../What_is_the_Catholic...\nand:\nhttp://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/.../on-religious-liberty...\nIt seems to me that there is nothing arbitrary in this; it is not a trick to impose Pink's own private opinion on the teachings of the Church, it is really an attempt to understand those teachings and their development.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/GB2yiIoEtXw\n1080p HD \"Good Morning\" ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952)\nFrom a recently surfaced 1080p High-Definition digital transfer of Singin' in the Rain (1952). Let's hope Warner decides to release a restored version of thi...",
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"text": "Oh my goodness, you really broke 2000... nice work kids.",
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"text": "Nothing to see here.",
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"text": "Since so much of revelation was revealed by Aristotle, we therefore hold that metaphysics is necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology. The supernatural comes from the natural. Revelation comes from reason. God comes from man.",
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"text": "It seems that Faith comes from Reason, therefore metaphysics and reason is necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology, just as Man is necessary for the fulfillment of God because God comes from Man.\nOn the contrary...",
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"text": "I will never forgive any of you for making me catch up on 400 comments. \nLet's try a new way of reformulating the same old crap:\nTo study sacred theology, the Church, in her Extraordinary Magisterium recommends studying St. Thomas.\nSt. Thomas can't be studied in a vacuum.\nTherefore, one needs to study that which St. Thomas's theology requires. \nTherefore one should study metaphysics. \nBut one can't study metaphysics in a vacuum.\nTherefore one must study natural theology, and philosophy.\nand we have just deduced the TAC curriculum backwards.\nHeresy....",
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"text": "On the contrary, the Church teaches infallibly that revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology, and reason is insufficient for the fulfillment of faith, and the sacred science.\nIn response to this infallible teaching, TAC alumni claim that a section from the Catholic Encylopedia says the exact opposite of what it really says.",
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"text": "you keep insisting that.... but you have no evidence, other than Pope Perescott's pronouncement.",
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"text": "Everyone here would agree with this \"On the contrary, the Church teaches infallibly that revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology, and reason [alone] is insufficient for the fulfillment of faith, and the sacred science.\"\nI add \"alone\" because obviously there must be rational or intellectual beings in order for there to be revelation. \nThis is what TAC teaches, this is what everyone here would agree with. If this is all you are saying, then there is no conflict.",
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"text": "No, Daniel, he is saying that TAC and the founders and the grads, and the people who only went for two years but can make an actual ARGUMENT (I'm looking at you Escalante) claim that reason alone is sufficient. \nIt is, for the nth time, a straw man",
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"text": "I know. I know.",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland has guilted me into addressing the madness again.",
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"text": "Behind this Potemkin village of black-robed students and mission-style buildings, dwells the host of rational heresies which proport that reason is necessary for the fulfillment of Faith.",
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"text": "Says who? Were you there polling people?",
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"text": "Can someone have faith without reason?",
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"text": "Does faith even make sense without reason?",
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"text": "you can go to heaven without theology, however.",
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"text": "Obviously someone must have the rational faculty to have faith. Obviously, God has no need of the natural order of learning. \nHowever, if one wants to pursue the study of Sacred Theology in a scientific manner, one must reason to do so. Consequently, a solid grasp of the sciences which perfect the intellect and its use are necessary in order to do that well. \nYes.",
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"text": "The study of Sacred Theology is not necessary in order to be saved.",
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"text": "so neither is metaphysics, on which Sacred Theology rests, NECESSARILY",
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"text": "to go back to what Peregrott just wrote \"reason is necessary for the fulfillment of Faith\" is totally wrong. Reason is necessary for the scientific explanation of the faith. This would only be a problem if someone thought that Fulfillment=scientific explanation",
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"text": "Yes, precisely Micheal.",
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"text": "How do you address heresies without reason?",
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"text": "\"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66.",
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"text": "I also really like how PE quoted Pope John Paul II's words from Fides et Ratio: \"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66.",
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"text": "You know, that's a pretty good quote:\n\"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66.",
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"text": "(purely parenthetically - I'm still hoping for perfection)",
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"text": "My personal favorite from Fides et Ratio (at least that pertains to this topic) is: \"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66.",
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"text": "now that's just silly Daniel, can't you see I just posted that?",
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"text": "I am such a silly ass.",
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"text": "of course Peretroll Bonamagisterium would simply read the quote to say that TAC is a hotbed (flowerbed?) of heresy because TAC thinks reason is sufficient",
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"text": "*silly gnostic ass*",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Sure, philosophy aids in the articulation of revelation, just as good grammar does. But sacred theology is fulfilled alone by revelation, and in no way depends on metaphysics. In fact, metaphysics would be impossible without revelation. All this is true, unless you go to TAC, then you believe revelation and Faith comes from Aristotle.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Plus, if you go to TAC, odds are you're a complete jerk.",
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"text": "how do you jive what you just wrote with the 5 times cited encyclical? (not the jerk part, I'll grant you that)",
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"text": "lemme distill:\n\"Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "\"Philosophy....of being\" = metaphysics",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Now, Lumen Fidei teaches that the act of love is the core of Faith.\nBut TAC responds, no, the act of reason is the core of faith and without it, faith would be impossible.\nHowever, the Church teaches that right reason is impossible without grace, and a correct metaphysics is impossible without revelation.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "So, Fides et Ratio is good counsel, but TAC goes off the deep end.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Do you like putting words into our mouths?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "So you",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "just dodge what people ask you?",
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"text": "maybe I figured it out. \n\"Now, Lumen Fidei teaches that the act of love is the core of Faith.\"\nwhat the hell does that mean? 'act of love'? what's that? Core? In what respect. \nDistinguo distinguo distinguo",
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"text": "I think more terms have been added to the dance. I thought faith = faith = faith and nothing else was needed. But now faith has something else... Which is Love (or more properly, Charity).",
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"text": "\"Fides et Ratio is good counsel\"? Is that how you treat the extraordinary magisterium?",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "To be fair: \"it does not suffice occasionally to clip the roots of the brambles, if the ground is not dug deeply so as to check them beginning again to multiply, and if there are not removed their seeds and root causes from which they grow so easily. That is why, since the prolonged study of human philosophy\u2014which God has made empty and foolish, as the Apostle says, when that study lacks the flavouring of divine wisdom and the light of revealed truth\u2014sometimes leads to error rather than to the discovery of the truth, we ordain and rule by this salutary constitution, in order to suppress all occasions of falling into error with respect to the matters referred to above, that from this time onwards none of those in sacred orders, whether religious or seculars or others so committed, when they follow courses in universities or other public institutions, may devote themselves to the study of philosophy or poetry for longer than five years after the study of grammar and dialectic, without their giving some time to the study of theology or pontifical law. Once these five years are past, if someone wishes to sweat over such studies, he may do so only if at the same time, or in some other way, he actively devotes himself to theology or the sacred canons; so that the Lord's priests may find the means, in these holy and useful occupations, for cleansing and healing the infected sources of philosophy and poetry.\" \u2013 Fifth Lateran Council",
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"text": "Yes, Faith without love is dead. It is a broken gong, as St. Paul states. It is not really Faith unless it has love. Abraham's Faith (and He is our Father in Faith) was fulfilled through his act of love of God. \nYou may have Aristotle, and be a total jerk.",
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"text": "It's sad they do not teach you about love at TAC.\nJust Aristotle, and of course revelation would be impossible without the Philosopher; hence you are a bunch of jerks.",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "The message about love is clear- second semester junior year!",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Thank you, Pater Edmund, for that lovely treatise on clipping brambles.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "What is they say in that damned song played at all the dances? \"You can't hurry love\nNo, you just have to wait\nYou got to trust, give it time\nNo matter how long it takes\"",
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"text": "Well of course, Katie, the Church teaches that love comes from TAC's second semester in junior year. That's why you guys are the greatest EVER.",
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"text": "Phil Colins? He was better when he just played the drums behind Peter Gabriel.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I may be a total jerk (though I've never cited Aristoilet on this thread) but you don't seem to be acquitting yourself of jerkness too well either",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "St. Francis de Sales warns about dancing.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Yes, I thought it was heretical somehow.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Does Peregrine never sleep?",
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"text": "St Francis de Sales is Magisterium cathedrae magistralis, Lateran V is extraordinary",
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"text": "I think dancing may be imprudent and may lead somewhere bad, especially when you consider how you could be praying for the poor souls in purgatory instead. I think that's what St. Francis says in his Intro to the Devout Life... but he did not have the grace to attend TAC or do the swing, which clearly is the pre-emeinent dance of angels. If the Church does not teach this, it should. Because this is what they do at TAC, and TAC is the GREATEST EVER.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "did you read Pater Edmund's quote from Lateran V?",
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"text": "Did you ever ponder what a big jerk you sound like?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "No one said TAC was the greatest ever and without fault.",
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"text": "The Fifth Lateran Council makes it clear how flawed philosophy is, and dependent on grace. Do you think this might be why the Church teaches that revelation is necessary for right reason?",
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"text": "and right reason is necessary for the science of the faith. not for faith, but for the science. jerk",
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"text": "While excessive, this thread is quite a glimpse into the humor of the misunderstanding of the uses of language.",
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"text": "Wait a second... Ack never mind... I have a feeling you haven't been reading some of the responses...",
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"text": "you're a jerk too Duda.",
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"text": "Hence the need for freshmen philosophy maybe?",
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"text": "But grace is needed for right reason.",
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"text": "Faith is needed for right reason.",
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"text": "And revelation takes the form of sacred theology in the sacred science of the Church.",
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"text": "only because I have special revelation. without God informing me that there is a need to think discursively, I won't do it.",
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"text": "Metaphysics aids sacred science, like a lowly handmaid.",
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"text": "Metaphysics does not stand at the door, thumping her breast, like Kobe Bryant, asserting that she is necessary for sacred theology to be. Metaphysics, in other words, does not act like the typical TAC alum.",
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"text": "Metaphysics does not thump her breast like LeBron James, as the founding persons of TAC have misrepresented her, those reactionaries.",
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"text": "Bringing in Grace just makes things confusing. Grace is needed for Grace is needed for Grace is needed for Grace, but Free Will! Thankfully we can accept on faith Grace and Free Will, but without reason Augustine would have failed at bringing down heresies regarding these things.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "On track for 3000. I can't believe you guys have had several threads of this. You must enjoy it very much.",
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"text": "Like a dog to my own vomit, I return to slay trolls",
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"text": "Lauren, Grace acts in the human soul prior to an act of free will. The infallible dogma on invincible grace states \"There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will.\"\nIt is so sad that TAC does not study the Catholic faith.",
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"text": "And you, O Peregrine, return to slay dragons and TACers.",
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"text": "And to set the world on fire, with love of Christ and his Blessed Mother, Mary, theotokos, conceived without sin.",
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"text": "I think that dog/vomit quote has been cited before. Has anyone noticed that thread is recursive? Has anyone noticed that this thread is recursive?",
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"text": "It is possible to call someone a jerk out of love. That word is not oustide the ball park. Other words are, though.",
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"text": "And who determines which words can be said out of love and which cannot?",
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"text": "Words mean whatever you say they mean. Or else the magisterium.",
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"text": "There are standards for usage within the English language. There are standards for reason. It is not reasonable to state that metaphysics is the fulfillment of sacred theology, then back that false statement up with another false statement that theology would be impossible without philosophy. In the order of nature, theology would be impossible without words; but in the order of being, grace perfects nature, not the other way around.\nOops! I've run afoul of the Blue Book!",
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"text": "I thought this quote was interesting: \"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66",
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"text": "Metaphysics at TAC fulfills sacred theology which you can study later.\nI know the Church says the exact opposite, but I've got to side with TAC on this one.",
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"text": "You really have not been reading the responses have you? Especially that of Daniel Lendman, Joshua Kenz and Pater Edmund",
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"text": "Ed, we've seen that quote already, 816 posts ago. Theology would be impossible without words too, but this is in the order of nature, not the order of being. \nI know to most TAC alum, Faith would be impossible without your theology seminar, but again this is in the order of nature, not being.\nWe are Catholics first, alumnists second.",
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"text": "How about this. I am going to yell with love. \"WITHOUT PHILOSOPHY'S CONTRIBUTION,IT WOULD IN FACT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCUSS THEOLOGICAL ISSUES such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man.\"",
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"text": "YES! WORDS ARE NECESSARY TO THEOLOGY.",
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"text": "I think we're agreeing.",
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"text": "Catherine... without WORDS, it would be impossible to discuss theology. THIS IS IN THE ORDER OF NATURE, NOT BEING. IN THE ORDER OF BEING, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO REASON RIGHTLY WITHOUT GRACE AND REVELATION. THIS IS WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES. TAC TEACHES THE OPPOSITE, HOLDING UP THE ORDER OF NATURE FOR THE ORDER OF BEING AND THUMPING ITS BREAST. IT IS PATHETIC.",
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"text": "The call of the cthreadulhu: \"That thread is not dead, which can eternal lie. Yet with strange aeons even death may die.\" To gaze upon it, is to know madness, and to comment, is to never escape.",
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"text": "Being is another complicated word to toss around. But at least we are getting somewhere with what Josh said about the order of knowing now.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvhTwefXcMs\nI hate Squirrels - UP\nSometimes Squirrels can really be distraction\nAugust 25 at 10:50am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 2 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley I'll shorten the quote so you don't miss the important part: \"It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66",
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"text": "It is good counsel to study metaphysics, but sacred theology is fulfilled without it. In the order of learning, we would not get far in a theological discussion without first learning a language. But in the order of being, as things are in themselves, as God has made them, revelation and grace fulfill reason, not the other way around.\nTHIS IS WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES AS SOMETHING WE MUST BELIEVE.\nIt is sad you do not know this, or regard phrases like order of nature and order of being as arbitrary toss around phrases. This discussion, these words and these truths have been around for centuries.\nTAC IS TOO BUSY BOASTING TO TAKE PART IN THIS DISCUSSION.",
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"text": "And I might repeat that quote",
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"text": "until you get it.",
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"text": "(which would probably cause this thread to reach some kind of record)",
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"text": "Wow, this is still going? Should I crank up the Kajagoogoo and start trying to read it?",
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"text": "Back a while ago, Daniel Lendman pointed out that Faith is imperfect as knowledge except with regard to certitude: a claim you had trouble with for some reason. I'd like you to explain how Faith differs from the Beatific Vision and why the latter is more perfect and desirable than the former. I think it might help you see why Sacred Theology depends on reason to flesh out the structure given by the dogmaticly promulgated principles of theology.",
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"text": "Ed, sacred theology takes a correct sapiential philosophy for granted, in the order of nature, in the order of learning. This is a correct statement. Just as it takes a correct grammar and language. This does not mean, as TAC wrongly asserts, that metaphysics is necessary for the FULFILLMENT of scred theology. \nOn the contrary, in the order of being, ontologically and metaphysically, grace and revelation are the only things that are necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology; AND for the fulfillment of reason and a legitimate metaphysics.\nTHIS IS WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES AS AN INFALLIBLE DOGMA.\nYou are twisting it because you have been brainwashed.",
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"text": "Ed, I don't think he's reading the responses anyways, because Josh Kenz just distinguished the order of being and nature and relation to philosophy and theology.",
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"text": "Ed, the Faith of the Church is infallible. The Church is infallible in regards to faith and morals. This is also a dogma of the Church.",
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"text": "It also might help you see that a Catholic education might be able to promote the Faith of the students without teaching sacred theology: for example one might call a certain course of studies in theoretical physics a \"Catholic education\" because it enables one to see that there are no scientific objections to the Faith. In fact, today, such an education might be the best education for a significant portion of students.",
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"text": "Lauren, you are dismissing the correctness of my statements because you imagine someone named Josh to have debunked my claim. This is idiocy.",
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"text": "We've all been brainwashed by the magisterium.",
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"text": "Pereventure, I don't think I've ever denied that, but perhaps I haven't repeated it dogmatically enough for you.",
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"text": "PB--where does has the Church defined what you claim it teaches? I'd like to see the magisterial statements upon which you base your claims.",
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"text": "He likes putting words in people's mouths Edward.",
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"text": "Ed, you might benefit from knowing that Catholic colleges err when they teach that sacred theology is fulfilled by metaphysics, instead of the deposit of the Faith.",
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"text": "Someone told a joke once which I think fits the situation:\nPeregrine doesn't just want to read his own opinions, he wants to read other people repeating his own opinions in their own words.",
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"text": "How did I put words in anyone's mouth? Lauren, you are clearly unable to have a serious discussion. Do you think that order of being is not a legitimate theologival fact?",
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"text": "You just said (or implied) that Ed was saying the church was not infallible with regards to faith and morals and he didn't say anything of that kind!",
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"text": "Edward, you have just lost an argument. In the order of being, revelation and grace perfect reason and fulfill sacred theology. This is what the Church teaches. TAC teaches the opposite.",
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"text": "Plus everyone else has used church documents etc to support their arguments. And you have not responded to direct and simple questions.",
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"text": "Faith is imperfect. That comes from St. Paul.",
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"text": "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur",
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"text": "I'm still waiting for your essay on the difference between the Beatific Vision and Faith in which you realize that, since Faith is not the Beatific Vision, it leaves room in the speculative order for fulfillment by the discourse of reason.",
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"text": "And I try to make it my mission in life to object to everything that comes out of Ed's mouth, but now it's becoming next to impossible because for once he's actually saying everything simply ",
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"text": "I think that's a really roundabout way of saying that you agree with him.",
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"text": "Lauren, Ed, above, objected to how I disputed a previous claim that Faith is imperfect as knowledge. Faith is in no way imperfect. The Faith of the Church is infallible. The Church's teaching on Faith is infallible. He is suggesting that it is imperfect in some way because Faith is not reasoned to. This is ridiculous.\nbesides, this is a dodge. The only issue here is TAC's false claim that sacred theology would be unfulfilled without metaphysics. This statement in the Blue Book is unequivocal, This is utter heresy.",
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"text": "Lauren is worried about encouraging vanity, I think. She also is generally unwilling to admit that I'm ever right.",
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"text": "Still waiting on you, PB, for your magesterial sources. Care to cite a text or two?",
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"text": "I Corinthians 13:12 videmus nunc per speculum in enigmate tunc autem facie ad faciem nunc cognosco ex parte tunc autem cognoscam sicut et cognitus sum",
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"text": "Joel, you can go look up the dogmas of the Church. If you believe that sacred theology depends on them, and if you are presuming to speak for the sacred science, then you must know where to find these.",
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"text": "Peregrine, I don't speak for sacred science, nor do I speak for you. YOU go find texts for your positions.",
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"text": "\"The fear of the Lord is wisdom.\"\n\"It is not flesh and blood which has revealed these things, but my Father in heaven.\"",
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"text": "TAC isn't claiming that sacred theology would be unfulfilled without metaphysics. They are claiming (in line with the non-Scott magisterium) that Sacred theology is impossible without metaphysics",
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"text": "Oh yay! Now we are sola scriptura and taking verses all on their own! Very Catholic thing to do.",
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"text": "http://memegenerator.net/instance/53763039\nY U disgrace me? | Peregrine\nmemegenerator.net\nNote: Only personal attacks are removed, otherwise if it's just content you find offensive, you are free to browse other websites.\nAugust 25 at 11:12am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nPeregrine Bonaventure Joel, if you call yourself Catholic, you should know the dogmas of the Church. If you have studied theology, you should know the principles of sacred theology. \nIf TAC is claiming that sacred theology would be impossible without metaphysics, they are clearly wrong. This is the same thing as saying that Faith would be impossible without Reason, or that the supernatural comes from nature.",
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"text": "http://memegenerator.net/instance/53763062\nThe Peregrine is not amused | Peregrine\nmemegenerator.net\nNote: Only personal attacks are removed, otherwise if it's just content you find offensive, you are free to browse other websites.\nAugust 25 at 11:13am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 3 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nCatherine Ryland In other words, you can't study anything about what is divinely revealed (=sacred theology) without also studying things about being, person and so on.",
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"text": "So, is your position that \"Sacred Theology == Faith\"",
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"text": "How do they differ? What does the notion of \"Sacred Theology\" add to the gift of faith? Promulgation by the magesterium? Or (GASP) reasoning?",
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"text": "Faith is assent to the principles of sacred theology. Faith can also be assent to the principles of natural theology, if those are revealed and in the deposit of the faith. So you do not need to study metaphysics in order to have sacred theology.",
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"text": "You do not need metaphysics for Faith or sacred theology. Not when the principles are revealed. There is an implicit reasonability to this sacred theology, but it does not necessarily follow from metaphysics; however a valid metaphysics necessarily follows from grace and revelation.",
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"text": "(Oh, I forgot that you don't approve of reading either Moliere or Nietzsche)",
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"text": "Katherine, have we defined magesterium yet? Magesterially?",
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"text": "Ed, you are suceeding in your attempt to sound intelligent, but you are being a fool.",
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"text": "'How does opium induce sleep? \"By means of a means (faculty),\" namely the virtus dormitiva, replies the doctor in Moliere,\nQuia est in eo virtus dormitiva,\nCujus est natura sensus assoupire.\nBut such replies belong to the realm of comedy.' -- Nietzsche, BG&E",
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"text": "maybe we should start a new thread of agreed upon definitions. Do we have any candidates? We could call it the thread that has no beginning.",
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"text": "thanks, Scott. I am an irrelevant heretical thug. You nailed it",
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"text": "Yes, it most certainly is a process. sacred theology is the process of going from things better known to things newly known and unfolding, in the order of grace. And this is the life of the Magisterium as it has unfolded in the fullness of time. You do not know what you are talking about. To say that sacred theology is not a process is to reduce revelation to imminantism, which is another heresy.",
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"text": "this thread is sempiternal. It's not possible to have a thread that has no beginning, because then there would be no first comment.",
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"text": "oh crap Perescott! You just claimed that Edward's being is his act of existing?!?! Now who's the material heretic!?",
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"text": "a non TAC thesis: does the lack of a magesterial definition of magesterium lead to the reform of the eternal reform and the creation of eternal troll dwelling threads?",
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"text": "\"Not every problem, nor every thesis, should be examined, but only one which might puzzle one of those who need argument, not punishment or perception. For people who are puzzled to know whether one ought to honour the gods and love one's parents or not need punishment, while those who are puzzled to know whether snow is white or not need perception.\" (Topics, I.11)",
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"text": "Saying that scared theology is a process is in no way idiocy. It illustrates that it begins with revealed principles which, in turn, inform metaphysics. It illustrates the error of saying that metaphysics fulfills sacred theology. In fact, the process goes the other way, grace perfecting nature.",
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"text": "We're asking you for a definition of a habit and you're defining an action.",
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"text": "but mb, not only should pb assent to Edward then but also offer latreia. He is a very inconsistent heretic. ",
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"text": "I blame the magesterium for this entire thread for not defining . . . in this case magesterium. Is it ok then to take a peek at tradition when definitions were not out of touch with times? Or is that too heretical?",
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"text": "The troll (sorry Catherine) makes no sense when he says that Sacred Theology is a process, especially since he has above called it a science. Science does not have motion, otherwise we would not know it, because it would be different, constantly. \nMoreover, I will go further than I have before. Since metaphysics is necessary for the study and comprehension and perfection of Sacred Theology, then so also is the philosophy of nature, and logic, and even some measure of all the liberal arts.",
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"text": "It's really too bad that my interwebs addiction and a deep commitment to continuing this thread has coincided with a love of irrational argument, a severe case of insomnia, and a work deadline that isn't until sometime next week. (And all the usual real-life people I argue with being absent.)",
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"text": "If it is any consolation, your participation on this thread makes it loads more delightful. It also gives a stunning counter-example whenever it is stated that TAC grads are, universally, jerks. \nIt is hard to argue against that claim with Edward, Beitia and I around.",
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"text": "So, your argument is to pretend that you are smarter. It is like a little Potemkin village.\nSacred theology would be impossible without a lot of things. But the Church teaches that without revelation, grace and the sacred science, the sapiential sciences would err. This is our Faith. This is what the Church teaches.\nTAC does not teach the Faith. It teaches a reactionary's version of Catholic academia.",
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"text": "Mr. Bonaventure, I think you might profit from the Seraphic Doctor's \"De reductione artium ad theologiam\". When I read it last semester, I remember thinking that it was the blue book before the blue book was a thing.",
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"text": "And you are a bunch of jerks. Anyone who would defend the idea that metaphysics is necessary for the fulfillment of the sacred science, when the Church teaches that all natural theology would err without her Wisdom, is an arrogant fool.",
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"text": "Not only you defending such foolishness, you are defending it tooth and nail. Jerks.",
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"text": "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.",
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"text": "Daniel, forgive me you arrogant, misinformed Catholic, what is your argument? I'm sorry if I missed it. I must have mistaken it for drivel. But do tell.",
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"text": "You can't get to/reach truths that are solely revealed by God (like the Trinity) with your unaided reason. No one is arguing that.",
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"text": "But you can't consider anything revelation gives us about the Trinity unless you use your reason or rational faculty.",
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"text": "This doesn't make sense:\nAnyone who would defend the idea that metaphysics is necessary for the fulfillment of the sacred science, when the Church teaches that all natural theology would err without her Wisdom, is an arrogant fool.\nAnd since, I am already an arrogant jerk, I should let it be known that I am really freaking smart. So, if it doesn't make sense to me, chances are, the problem is yours.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "the troll confuses \"Tool\" with \"fulfillment\" and applies it to TAC",
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"text": "Because the only reasonable explanation you maintain such false pretences is because you are an arrogant jerk of a misinformed Catholic.",
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"text": "where does it claim that metaphysics is the \"fulfillment\"? You keep adding that.",
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"text": "So what Catherine? \nDaniel, it is perfectly reasonable. You are incompetent.",
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"text": "It's awesome that Peregrine is so loyally devoted to TAC that he has consecrated all his waking hours to amusing its alumni",
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"text": "'\"Omne datum optimum et omne donum perfectum desursum est, descendens a Patre luminum\", Iacobus in Epistulae suae primo capitulo. In hoc verbo tangitur origo omnis illuminationis, et simul cum hoc insinuatur multiplicis luminis ab illa fontali luce liberalis emanatio. Licet autem omnis illuminatio cognitionis interna sit, possumus tamen rationabiliter distinguere, ut dicamus, quod est lumen exterius, scilicet lumen artis mechanicae; lumen inferius, scilicet lumen cognitionis sensitivae; lumen interius, scilicet lumen cognitionis philosophicae; lumen superius, scilicet lumen gratiae et sacrae Scripturae. Primum lumen illuminat respectu figurae artificialis, secundum respectu formae naturalis, tertium respectu veritatis intellectualis, quartum et ultimum respectu veritatis salutaris.\n...\nEt sic patet, quomodo \"multiformis sapientia Dei\", quae lucide traditur in sacra Scriptura, occultatur in omni cognitione et in omni natura. Patet etiam, quomodo omnes cognitiones famulantur theologiae; et ideo ipsa assumit exempla et utitur vocabulis pertinentibus ad omne genus cognitionis. Patet etiam, quam ampla sit via illuminativa, et quomodo in omni re, quae sentitur sive quae cognoscitur, interius lateat ipse Deus. - Et hic est fructus omnium scientiarum, ut in omnibus aedificetur fides, \"honorificetur Deus\", componantur mores, hauriantur consolationes, quae sunt in unione sponsi et sponsae, quae quidem fit per caritatem, ad quam terminatur tota intentio sacrae Scripturae, et per consequens omnis illuminatio desursum descendens, et sine qua omnis cognitio vana est, quia nunquam pervenitur ad Filium nisi per Spiritum sanctum, qui docet nos omnem veritatem, \"qui est benedictus in saecula saeculorum. Amen\".",
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"text": "This really is a masterful exposition of the order of the intellectual life: http://www.forumromanum.org/liter.../bonaventura/reduct.html\nBonaventura: De reductione artium ad theologiam\nwww.forumromanum.org\n1 \"Omne datum optimum et omne donum perfectum desursum est, descendens a Patre luminum\", Iacobus in Epistulae suae primo capitulo. In hoc verbo tangitur origo omnis illuminationis, et simul cum hoc insinuatur multiplicis luminis ab illa fontali luce liberalis emanatio. Licet autem omnis illuminatio\u2026\nAugust 25 at 12:09pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nDaniel Lendman Given that I have graduated Summa Cum Laud from two graduate institutions...nope. I am not incompetent. I am playing the part of the arrogant jerk, though.",
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"text": "Especially this part: \"And this is the fruit of all sciences, that in all of them Faith is built up\"",
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"text": "Christendom's library is a nicer building than their church. Goes to show how they are the ones who in fact, value the intellect over the magisterium sacred tradition divine revelation church.",
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"text": "In para 7 or section 7 of the TAC Charter, the college claims quite falsely that metaphysics is necessary for the fulfillment of sacred theology.\nThis passage has been quoted and cited about 10 times now.\nIt is telling how convenient it is for jerks and arrogant fools to ignore facts when it does not match their ignorance. \nYou do not have the ability to discuss this.\nMetaphysics in no way fulfills, informs, completes or perfects sacred theology. Metaphysics in itself would be useless without grace and the guidance of the sacred science.\nThis is what the Church teaches in Her dogma.",
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"text": "If that's the case, why does the Tradition use the analogy of the mind to illuminate the doctrine of the Trinity?",
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"text": "(The other reason to read the Seraphic Doctor is that his Latin prose is amazing)",
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"text": "In matters of Faith and the sacred science, and the principles thereof, Catholic thinkers go by what the Church teaches, not by what some reactionaries dreamed up in the 60s.",
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"text": "Love that quote, Edward. Is that Bonaventure?",
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"text": "Metaphysics IS useless without grace because then it is the highest science w/o qualification. With Sacred Theology it is useful.",
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"text": "Sure, and there is a host of Fathers and Doctors of the Church who use the various philosophical theories of the mind to illumine the doctrine of the Trinity.",
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"text": "John R, yes.",
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"text": "A queen can't do anything without servants.",
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"text": "do I really have to quote the Catholic Encyclopedia again",
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"text": "No, I think it's time to repeat Fides et Ratio.",
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"text": "Because you are stuck in the previous millenium and you do not know what you are talking about because you desire first to seem intelligent but come across as an arrogant fool.",
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"text": "\"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man. This is no less true of the different themes of moral theology, which employ concepts such as the moral law, conscience, freedom, personal responsibility and guilt, which are in part defined by philosophical ethics. It is necessary therefore that the mind of the believer acquire a natural, consistent and true knowledge of created realities\u2014the world and man himself\u2014which are also the object of divine Revelation. Still more, reason must be able to articulate this knowledge in concept and argument. Speculative dogmatic theology thus presupposes and implies a philosophy of the human being, the world and, more radically, of being, which has objective truth as its foundation.\" \u2014 Pope St John Paul II, Fides et Ratio, 66",
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"text": "Arrogant, maybe. Not a fool.",
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"text": "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.",
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"text": "what he says there underlies some things I have said herein. Have you a translation for the benefit of the rest? (Faith illuminates all things. Our assent is liberating. Dissent enslaves.)",
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"text": "Peregrine, do you know who the \"innovatores\" are? Let me give you a hint, the Church doesn't consider that term to be complimentary.",
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"text": "P.S. We hit 2500 a while back. Did anyone already mention that?",
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"text": "The Catholic Encyclopedia and Faith and Reason do not contradict the Churches dogma on grace perfecting nature and revelation being necessary for all knowledge.\nTAC does.",
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"text": "Unfortunately, I do not, John R.",
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"text": "I have already explained the grace perfecting nature bit. Do I need to do it again?",
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"text": "No, no, you have to be stuck in an even more previous millenium.",
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"text": "Edward, you are an arrogant boy who lacks the skill and authority to make such judgements.",
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"text": "That is an ad hominem statement.",
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"text": "\"Without philosophy's contribution, it would in fact be impossible to discuss theological issues such as, for example, the use of language to speak about God, the personal relations within the Trinity, God's creative activity in the world, the relationship between God and man, or Christ's identity as true God and true man.\"\nSo, what JPII says is that, without philosophy we cannot discuss certain theological issues such as:\n1) the use of language to speak about God\n2) the personal relations within the Trinity\n3) God's creative activity in the world\n4) the relationship between God and man\n5) Christ's identity as true God and true man.\nWell, I guess that means that philosophy \"in no way fulfills, informs, completes or perfects sacred theology.\" It must be the case that discussing these issues is completely irrelevant to Sacred Theology.",
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"text": "Edward Langley has one of the finest and clearest minds I have ever encountered.",
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"text": "Catherine havent you figured this out? Peregrine \"answers\" all arguments by simply denying them, and his other move is ad hominem. He's only got two",
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"text": "I admit that I lack the skill to make judgments, that's a long hard road to travel: I've barely begun deciding how to judge logical and mathematical problems, to say nothing about natural philosophy, metaphysics and sacra doctrina.",
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"text": "And I suppose I only have authority to make such judgments when dealing with my son.",
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"text": "So, I like what I said about grace perfecting nature, so I will say it again: \nGrace, in this case faith, perfects nature, in this case metaphysics. This is where babies come fro... I mean, this is where Sacred Theology comes from.",
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"text": "Grace perfecting nature. Revelation perfecting reason. Sacred theology perfecting metaphysics, not the other way around. You cannot study theology without studying the Church and Her dogmas.\nIt is impossible to study this without that underscores the implicit reasonability. It does not mean you have to read Aristotle to get sacred theology right.\nTAC gets it very wrong.",
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"text": "Daniel, grace does not perfect metaphysics. You make it sound like if you pray and attend Mass, God will give you grace to get metaphysics right and fulfill sacred theology. In fact, this is what the founders of TAC tell you.\nin fact, the sacred science perfects metaphysics, the higher perfecting the lower, so that it is useful. This is why you should study more doctrine at TAC.\nAgain, this is what the Church teaches de fidei.\nTAC gets it wrong.",
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"text": "No you certainly don't. That is not what anyone is saying.",
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"text": "Okay, imagine this. Imagine there was nothing to perfect. So, in this case, no metaphysics. Okay, now what would faith do? There is nothing to perfect, so there is no grace operating, so there is no Sacred Theology and it all goes to pot.",
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"text": "Distinguish the speculative and practical orders:\nIn the practical order, Faith is all that is necessary for the intellect, since good action doesn't require one to know why what one is doing is the right thing to do: all one needs is certitude about the right course of action.\nIn the speculative order, Faith helps but cannot suffice because when the intellect knows _that_ something is true it seeks to know _why_ it is true. Ultimately, that \"why\" is hidden in this life \"underneath the veil\" but we can approximate it by calling upon the aid of philosophy.\nYou would be on much firmer ground if you deny that Sacred Theology is a speculative science: that is, after all, the position of Albert the Great, Bonaventure, Scotus and the Franciscan school. But if you admit that there is a speculative science of Sacred Theology, faith cannot suffice for the perfection of that science.",
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"text": "Scott. you have so many intelligent, thoughtful, patient, and well-read people, arguing against you. \nDoes that give you any pause?",
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"text": "Having gone to TAC, it was probably inevitable that this fascinating monstrosity of a Scott Pilgrim Versus TAC would make it on to my news feed, despite my not knowing Mr. Peterson. Since I don't want to re-read a threat that looks longer and even more convoluted than the City of God, can someone explain:\n1. Who is \"Peregrine Bonaventure\"? (maybe you can!)\n2. What is his connection to TAC?\n3. Why he is obsessed TAC including metaphysics in the curriculum?\n4. Whether he is employed or has a life outside of this thread?",
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"text": "God's grace is primarily concerned with the practical order, since he gives us grace to save us. So, it's right to say that metaphysics doesn't percfect faith in that order. But it's foolish to think that faith can satisfy man's desire to know the cause: go that route and you turn into Kierkegaard.",
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"text": "Dylan\n1) he's Scott Weinberg, I think, a troll who lives on stalking TACers.\n2) he tried freshman year repeatedly\n3) he thinks he's the pope\n4) ...",
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"text": "Dylan, \nPeregrine Bonaventure is Scott Weinberg \nHe was asked to leave TAC some years ago by Dr. Kaiser. He finished up his education at Christendom.",
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"text": "Beat me, Edward.",
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"name": "Dylan Naegele",
"text": "Ah. Thanks. This makes more sense now.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I said this over 2,000 comments ago, so it bears repeating. \nTAC is the best!!! \nI am the best!!!! \nUSA! USA! USA!",
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"text": "(taking best inclusively to mean \"that than which there is no greater\")",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Did you just say Daniel is fat?",
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"text": "Oh and if anyone is interested in Zoroastrianism (I am.) This is cool:\nhttp://kaogu.net.cn/.../Academic.../2014/0815/47198.html\nChinese Archaeology\nkaogu.net.cn",
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"text": "Ed, you state that it is \"foolish to think that faith can satisfy man's desire to know the cause.\" This completely contradicts Scripture. You are an arrogant fool. You have lost this argument.\nAnyone would be blessed to not go to TAC.\nAnd why do you continue to assert that I am someone who I am not. I know Scot Weinberg. He finished his education with a masters degree in Literature and Rhetoric at CUA.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "^ ^ Thanks for the hat tip, Daniel! Geez",
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"text": "That's where I found it!",
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"text": "If you aren't that one guy, then who are you?",
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"text": "Sorry JA Escalante, I couldn't remember who had posted the article..",
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"text": "I was just joshing you anyhow",
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"text": "So, just and FYI, no where in Scripture does it say that Faith satisfies man's desire to know the cause.",
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"text": "Faith pushes us to go beyond. We long to see The Cause, who is Love Himself.",
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"text": "'Peregrine Bonaventure Ed, you state that it is \"foolish to think that faith can satisfy man's desire to know the cause.\" This completely contradicts Scripture. You are an arrogant fool. You have lost this argument.'\nIf this were so, then who would need the Beatific Vision?",
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"text": "And Peregrine/Scott/Whoever You Are, could you do me the small favor of laying your argument out in a clear, logical fashion? At the moment, you seem to resemble the people who stand on street corners with megaphones yelling gibberish about heaven and hell rather than someone who claims to understand the correct method to study theology?",
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"text": "And, just for kicks, I hereby declare that Peregrine NottheSeraphicDoctor has lost the argument.",
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"text": "Dylan, you have no idea what you are asking for. But, if he won't, I will dive back into the abyss and pull them up for you.",
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"text": "Oh, and per our conversation above, we could replace second semester Senior year lab with this! \nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../measure-speed-of-light...\nJoel HF, Pater Edmund, Catherine Ryland\nHere's How To Calculate The Speed Of Light In Your Own Home\nwww.huffingtonpost.com\nYou may think your microwave is good only for making popcorn or heating up last night's leftovers. But with a big chocolate bar and a little ingenuity, you can use use your microwave to calculate the speed of light. \"It's possible to measure ...",
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"text": "Ladies and gents, 3000 is within our grasp!",
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"text": "Ed, it is by grace that we come to Beatitude, not reason.\nYour assertions are almost unbelievable.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "my favorite quote was of the Seraphic doctor by Edward. Bonaventure wins! Argumentum finitum est. Bonaventura locutus est.",
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"text": "I explicitly said that i.e. \"in the practical order . . .\"",
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"text": "Unless you think that we are saved by the perfection of our speculative intellect.",
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"name": "Brian Gerrity",
"text": "Here's my summary of the Peregrine argument to this point.\nTAC is a heresy factory.\nYou are all products TAC.\nTherefore you are all heretics.\nQuod erat demonstrandum, losers!!!",
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"text": "Daniel, I have laid out the argument 15 times now. Surely, you are being disingenuous.\nTAC claims that metaphysics is necessary to fulfill sacred theology. These are the words TAC uses.\nThe Church teaches de fidei that the opposite is true. TAC gets it wrong. This leads to intellectual imperfection, arrogance, etc.\nI am glad I did not go to TAC.\nThis is the argument.",
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"text": "Actually i think some of pb's concern's might be corroborated if pb would listen and engage in discussion. IE. Corrobated in the bonaventure quote.",
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"text": "Ed, it doesn't matter what order you are talking about. When you deny that man is saved and perfected by supernatural grace, when you deny that everything in nature is perfected by grace, you are talking jibberish.",
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"text": "Blue Book quote: \n\"But, as theology itself teaches, there is a knowledge of God and divine things which proceeds in the natural light of human reason. This knowledge, traditionally named metaphysics, or first philosophy, is also an essential part of liberal education, because it is necessary for the full development of theology.\"",
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"text": "No, here again is the argument.\nTAC teaches that metaphysics is necessary to perfect sacred theology.\nThis claim is false. This claim is the contrary of the Catholic dogma on sacred theology and revelation. \nTAC teaches a heresy.\nIts students are crass.\nI am very lucky I did not go there.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Yes, the quote is false. It contradicts the Faith.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Full development certainly does not mean perfection.",
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"text": "long ago now found two causes of all the fuss: one,the magesterium no longer using definitions and secondly tac's own unorthodox mutant producing biochemistry: heresy petri dish + substance d + pb = ptacd troll",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "What do you think of that O-One-who-is-not-the-Seraphic-Doctor?",
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"text": "I believe this is the text Scott is referencing:\n\"But, as theology itself teaches, there is a knowledge of God and divine things which proceeds in the natural light of human reason. This knowledge, traditionally named metaphysics, or first philosophy, is also an essential part of liberal education, because it is necessary for the full development of theology.\"\n-BK VII of the On Equal Footing to the Infallible Magesteirum Blue Book",
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"text": "Shoot! I included the whole title!! I have given away the game guys. Sorry.",
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"text": "I want Peregrine's opinion on this: \"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"text": "Metaphysics is not necessary for the perfection of theology. Natural theology is not necessary for the full development of the sacred science.\nThe contrary is true.\nHence, without knowledge of what the Church teaches in Her dogmatic theology, you err in your metaphysics.\nThis is the error of TAC.\nYou presume to understand the higher science, without studying it and the dogmas of the Church, while advancing boldly on a flawed metaphysical path.\nThis leads to arrogance and foolishness.",
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"text": "Especially the \"right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things\"",
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"text": "\"full development\" isn't \"intrinsic perfection\"",
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"text": "it's meant in the sense of \"articulation as sacred science\". unless you're committed to tendentious reading",
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"text": "Even matter is necessary for form (of a material substance) to be properly fulfilled.",
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"text": "Scott would know that if he studied the philosophy of Nature.",
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"text": "You need grace to reason correctly, Edward. Then, and only then, is there a synthesis. \nThomas seemed reasonably to err in Faith on more than one subject.\nBut in the sciences, the sacred science brings metaphysics to completion. Not the other way around.",
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"text": "Do you think my quote is true?",
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"text": "\"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"text": "As I've said over and over, theology is not constituted by metaphysics plus revelation in a partim/partim relation. In a way, theology does presuppose the truths of metaphysics and even carries them within itself, but *not* in the fully articulate forms of science. Thus, theology needs metaphysics to articulate itself *as a science*. This is what the citations I've given all say, and what I say, and what TAC says.",
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"text": "Full development is the same thing as perfection. But metaphysics does not even contribute to the partial development of the sacred science. It might seem like this historically, but this would be revisionist. Sacred theology has always guided and perfected metaphysics. This is why you need to study more doctrine.",
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"text": "You haven't answered my question, Peregrine",
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"text": "Full development is not the same thing as *intrinsic* perfection. It is a sort of accidental perfection, articulation as a discursive science.",
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"text": "Does \"right reason establish the foundation of faith\" or not?",
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"text": "That is why I used the matter form analogy.",
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"text": "wow I never thought in my life that the words \"this is what I say, and this is what TAC says\" would ever be uttered by me",
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"text": "JA, the college says that you need to study metaphysics because this is necessary for the full development of sacred theology. This underscores the pedagogy of the college. It is a false and erroneous teaching method, because it produces flawed conclusions. It prodices flawed conclusions because, as the Church teaches, the sacred science perfects metaphysics.",
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"text": "Edward, I think you are being ignored.",
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"text": "Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "i can not even imagine what pb is saying anymore. How many ways\\ times and with how many authorities can one make the same distinction? Even Meno would have grasped it by now. Does this prove (in the concrete as Newman might say) my opinining long ago that theology can be dangerous for a layman?",
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"text": "Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "Right reason does NOT establish the foundation of Faith. Assent to revealed supernatural truths DOES establish the foundation of Faith and these truths are the principles of sacred theology.",
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"text": "Well, then you're a material heretic: that quotation was from Vatican I.",
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"text": "Or recant?",
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"text": "That's false Edward, and you take Vat I out of context. Right reason is an effect of assent to Faith, which is clearly the foundation of the Faith.",
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"text": "Catherine, you should be a part of this.",
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"text": "If he doesn't recant, I believe the conditions for formal heresy are met. In which case, we should get out our steaks.",
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"text": "so is Peregrine a Fideist?",
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"text": "is that what they do at Christendom?",
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"text": "The Foundation of the Faith is assent to God's revealed Word. It is not a valid syllogism, Edward. You are misguided. \nSorry.",
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"text": "Here is context:\nThe perpetual agreement of the catholic church has maintained and maintains this too: that\nthere is a twofold order of knowledge, distinct\nnot only as regards its source, but also as regards its object. With regard to the source,\nwe know at the one level by natural reason, at the other level by divine faith. With regard to the object,\nbesides those things to which natural reason can attain, there are proposed for our belief mysteries hidden in God\nwhich, unless they are divinely revealed, are incapable of being known. Wherefore, when the Apostle, who witnesses that God was known to the gentiles from created things29, comes to treat of the grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ30, he declares: We impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification. None of the rulers of this age understood this. God has revealed it to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God31. And the Only-begotten himself, in his confession to the Father, acknowledges that the Father has hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to the little ones32. Now reason,\ndoes indeed\nwhen it seeks persistently, piously and soberly, achieve\nby God's gift some understanding,\nand that most profitable, of the mysteries,\nwhether by analogy from what it knows naturally, or from the connexion of these mysteries\nwith one another and with the final end of humanity; \nbut reason\nis never rendered capable of penetrating these mysteries in the way in which it penetrates those truths which form its proper object. For\nthe divine mysteries, by their very nature, so far surpass the created understanding that, even when a revelation has been given and accepted by faith, they remain covered by the veil of that same faith and wrapped, as it were, in a certain obscurity, as long as in this mortal life we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, and not by sight33. Even though faith is above reason, there can never be any real disagreement between faith and reason, since\nit is the same God\nwho reveals the mysteries and infuses faith, and who has endowed the human mind with the light of reason. God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth.\nThe appearance of this kind of specious contradiction is chiefly due to the fact that either\nthe dogmas of faith are not understood and explained in accordance with the mind of the church, or unsound views are mistaken for the conclusions of reason. Therefore we define that every assertion contrary to the truth of enlightened faith is totally false34. Furthermore the church which,\ntogether with its apostolic office of teaching, has received the charge of preserving the deposit of faith, has\nby divine appointment\nthe right and duty of condemning what wrongly passes for knowledge, lest anyone be led astray by philosophy and empty deceit35. Hence all faithful Christians\nare forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith,\nparticularly if they have been condemned by the church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for\non the one hand right reason\nestablished the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith\ndelivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds. Hence, so far is the church from hindering the development of human arts and studies, that in fact she assists and promotes them in many ways. For\nshe is neither ignorant nor contemptuous of the advantages which derive from this source for human life, rather she acknowledges that those things flow from God, the lord of sciences, and, if they are properly used, lead to God by the help of his grace. Nor does the church forbid these studies to employ, each within its own area, its own proper principles and method:\nbut while she admits this just freedom, she takes particular care that they do not\nbecome infected with errors by conflicting with divine teaching, or, by going beyond their proper limits, intrude upon what belongs to faith and engender confusion. For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward\nnot as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated. Hence, too,that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding. \nMay understanding, knowledge and wisdom increase as ages and centuries roll along, and greatly and vigorously flourish, in each and all, in the individual and the whole church: but this only in its own proper kind, that is to say, in the same doctrine, the same sense, and the same understanding.",
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"text": "take THAT, Vatican I !",
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"text": "We'll can talk about more TAC errors later.\nGotta go.",
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"text": "That is close enough to silence, I suppose.",
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"text": "Andrews It would explain how he knows TAC is a factory of heretics. As he is one......",
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"text": ".\n4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be made like him.\n5. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he imagine himself to be wise.\n-- Proverbs, 26",
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"text": "Now that he is gone, it might have been this sort of thing that he is thinking TAC says:\n\"For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward\nnot as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.",
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"text": "But here is where I think that JA Escalante's distinction and my matter form analogy come in.",
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"text": "Yeah, I saw that. That, however, seems to operate at the level of principles.",
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"text": "Catherine, this might be what you were saying too.",
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"text": "That is, the principles are more perfect than the rest of the science since they contain the whole science.",
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"text": "yes I said that earlier, about how theology carries or presupposes the truths of metaphysics principially within itself, but not in the form of articulate science",
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"text": "clearly \"full development\" is being used by TAC in the Newmanian sense, and nowhere is it being asserted that without metaphysics theology is doomed to intrinsic imperfection",
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"text": "Reason guided by God's grace is right reason and this can serve as a basis of Faith, is what Vat I says.\nBTW, we wouldn't be a 3000 posts if you did not recognise that objections to TAC are morally and scientifically valid.",
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"text": "^another fake goodbye",
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"text": "Scott, I agree, your questions are good and important. I just want you to use your reason and get beyond the questions once in a while.",
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"text": "i like to translate the word meno as \"i am stuck\". I wonder if its the origin of stick in the mud. Mud flinging stick in the mud. O tempora o mores!",
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"text": "I have benefited greatly from thinking about this sort of question, but it just gets to be a little boring saying the same thing. At least you could bring to bear different arguments to obstinately hold your position.",
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"text": "what are his good assertions?",
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"text": "I think I'd agree that it is reason guided by God's grace that is right reason. That makes sense to me.",
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"text": "me too Daniel. BUT i only get the reasoned side.",
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"text": "Well, I suppose it is only really one assertion of his. Scott says this:\n\"the college says that you need to study metaphysics because this is necessary for the full development of sacred theology. This underscores the pedagogy of the college. It is a false and erroneous teaching method, because it produces flawed conclusions. It prodices flawed conclusions because, as the Church teaches, the sacred science perfects metaphysics.\"\nI think that raises some good questions.",
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"text": "The problem is that he has stated that same thing in response to nearly every argument.",
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"text": "When he doesn't do that he does: \n\"The Foundation of the Faith is assent to God's revealed Word. It is not a valid syllogism, Edward. You are misguided.\" \nand\n\"Full development is the same thing as perfection. But metaphysics does not even contribute to the partial development of the sacred science. It might seem like this historically, but this would be revisionist. Sacred theology has always guided and perfected metaphysics. This is why you need to study more doctrine.\"\nand\n\"Because the only reasonable explanation you maintain such false pretences is because you are an arrogant jerk of a misinformed Catholic.\"\netc.",
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"text": "if he works at it, i see potential for a modern Zeno there. EDIT i only meant the prior post. The latter reveal teansy perhaps flaws in logic. Yowsers!",
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"text": "\"no, we're just bored and modern life separates the individual into atomistic trolling units\" tha't's what I've been thinking. Loneliness that isn't really helped by real contact with other people, and a desire for notifications. (I speak of myself here of course, unless others find it applies to them.)",
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"text": "And I'm STILL waiting for perfection (8128)",
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"text": "and Catherine, I'm at work now, blowing it off",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Or this: \u00abIt is with no less deceit, venerable brothers, that other enemies of divine revelation, with reckless and sacrilegious effrontery, want to import the doctrine of human progress into the Catholic religion. They extol it with the highest praise, as if religion itself were not of God but the work of men, or a philosophical discovery which can be perfected by human means. The charge which Tertullian justly made against the philosophers of his own time \"who brought forward a Stoic and a Platonic and a Dialectical Christianity\"[2] can very aptly apply to those men who rave so pitiably. Our holy religion was not invented by human reason, but was most mercifully revealed by God; therefore, one can quite easily understand that religion itself acquires all its power from the authority of God who made the revelation, and that it can never be arrived at or perfected by human reason. In order not to be deceived and go astray in a matter of such great importance, human reason should indeed carefully investigate the fact of divine revelation. Having done this, one would be definitely convinced that God has spoken and therefore would show Him rational obedience, as the Apostle very wisely teaches.[3] For who can possibly not know that all faith should be given to the words of God and that it is in the fullest agreement with reason itself to accept and strongly support doctrines which it has determined to have been revealed by God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived?\u00bb",
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"text": "pater i will respond to your much above post. Later.",
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"text": "If TAC did not believe that sacred theology is doomed without metaphysics, and if it believed as the Church teaches that metaphysics is doomed without grace and revelation and the doctrinally imbued sacred science of the Church... Then why do they say that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of sacred theology, and why do they not teach the principles of the Faith?\nClearly the founders were reactionary, and agenda and ideologically driven.",
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"text": "Some one should inform the real Scott Weinberg that this pb fellow, who definitely isn't SW, had been using a picture of Weinberg as his profile pic.",
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"text": "Get out the bell, book and candle",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Joel, some time ago several of us attempted rational discourse with this SW fellow on the infinitely patient FerrierFB. JAson has it right. No point",
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"text": "no i never got that courtesy Edward",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I wonder what Matthew J. Peterson's Klout score is now?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Just want to give a late high five to Edward Langley for the Vatican 1 quote. (Only time I will ever do so too )",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "hmm... Catherine Ryland do you see how he does things?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "TAC says it because:\n\"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for\non the one hand right reason\nestablished the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith\ndelivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds. Hence, so far is the church from hindering the development of human arts and studies, that in fact she assists and promotes them in many ways.\"",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Oh, and because it is true.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "WOULD someone list his better questions. I am at an impass guessing. please and only if u have time ",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Hey, if I could have a face to face with these 210 participants I would. It does not mean the dialogue is meaningless. It is important to hash this out, not that the college will change its curriculum, but maybe its students will have a more informed understanding of the flaws of their curriculum -- for they go beyond limitations and become flaws -- and better appreciation of the Catholic Faith. In the academic life, sacred theology -- based on what the Church teaches -- sets the soul free and is the completion of Catholic liberal education. \nThe quotation from Pater Edmund is good. Every Catholic student should think about that.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "And he calls me arrogant?",
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"text": "You think that anything that TAC teaches or that we have been saying here contradicts the quote from Pater Edmund?!?!?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I think we should all meet up at a bar somewhere in DC and have a fistfight to resolve the dispute ",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "... that is have a conversation over beer.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Maybe Scott, you should find out who said the above quote by Pater Edmund and find out its proper context.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "This happens in the previous paragraph:\n\"Without doubt, nothing more insane than such a doctrine, nothing more impious or more opposed to reason itself could be devised. For although faith is above reason, no real disagreement or opposition can ever be found between them; this is because both of them come from the same greatest source of unchanging and eternal truth, God. They give such reciprocal help to each other that true reason shows, maintains and protects the truth of the faith, while faith frees reason from all errors and wondrously enlightens, strengthens and perfects reason with the knowledge of divine matters.\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "@ 1000 in a day. Pausing to appreciate the geometric increase. (Is that cartesian or euclidean?)",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I think it is Francois de Viete",
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"text": "it is a square-squared-cube",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I think that's why modern algebraic notation got popular, ever try to draw any of Viete's figures with a number larger than 3?",
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"text": "Yes.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "It is hard.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I tried 5 once and quickly gave up",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Daniel, quote below states that faith perfects reason. This means, without faith, metaphysics is flawed. This does not mean that God gives TAC students grace so that they have perfect reason. I think you think this. This is effectively how TAC teaches. What this means is through a study of sacred theology, and the sacred science of the Church, and through an outlay of Her dogmas, a theological habit of mind is developed. This is liberal education. This is not what TAC proposes, because it does not teach sacred theology. And not teaching it, or allowing its students to understand how Her teachings operate, it moves ahead with a flawed metaphysics. This is self-evident in the principles of its Charter and in the holes in its curriculum.",
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"text": "says you",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "dont know Viete. I prefer now the hotdog and smiley face symbols long above mentioned. If it cant be done so i suspect its understandability.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "he's the founder of modern algebra. Pre-dates Descartes",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "yes, but he's not in the program, ergo he doesn't exist.",
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"text": "beautiful stuff... but x^4 is a \"squared-square\" x^5 is a \"Squared-cube\" and so on. You can draw it pretty easily with powers of 2",
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"text": "THEY CUT VIETE!?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "bastards. Perescott is right. TAC's curriculum is screwed",
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"text": "No. Viete is in the program.",
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"text": "Viete was there in 2012.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Catherine, I think you had the wrong tutor.",
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"text": "thanks, Daniel..... whew..... there is no way to study the fullness of Sacred Theology without Viete",
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"text": "Did Viette merge geometry and arithmetic? Or was that Descartes?",
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"text": "Viete started it. Also nascent algebraic notation",
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"text": "he standardized using certain letters for constants, and others for variables",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "So what exactly is a Fideist? Aside from the obvious part. (Alex concluded that our friend was one a few days ago, but now I want some clarity as to what exactly that means and how the Church has responded)",
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"text": "Okay, maybe the name sounds vaguely familiar. No, not really. I forget most things, and I wanted to make a Descartes joke.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Oh dear. I'm going to have to give this terrible thread up for lent.",
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"text": "Lent? I was going to try for advent",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Well, it's a good thing lent is several months away.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Holy moly, this thread is still going?!?!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Yeah, you missed 2000 scintillating points of interest",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Yeah I bet. Is the troll dead yet?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Define \"going\"",
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"text": "no, alive and well maybe 30 up from here",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Well, currently recovering from Ed's Vatican I quote and smack down.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "is that what votis refers to? Hmmm. . . disappearing papal decrees.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "\"Nor do I seek to understand that I may believe, but I believe that I may understand. For this, too, I believe, that, unless I first believe, I shall not understand.\" -- St. Anselm",
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"text": "^Magisterium cathedrae magistralis^",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "JUST IN! Here's the official word. Absolutely no saints at TAC or Christendom. Not even mentioned. Because of our incessant bickering, we are left entirely out of the book of life. https://app.box.com/s/1561ypqh86kf3vq3mlpx\nBC_Saints.jpg - File Shared from Box\napp.box.com",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i think we have a couple popes though.",
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"text": "I wonder how Peregrine gets along with Pope Michael.",
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"text": "Saints!? Now who's trying to immanentize the eschaton......",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Comments in the vertical axis, time (in seconds) in the horizontal axis:",
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"text": "Looks like exponential growth to me.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "At this rate we'll hit 3,000 before 12 midnight tonight.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "is past behavior a predictor of future success? Cause I've got Mass tonight at 7",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "NOW I remember Viete. He was less terrifying than the other blokes.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Again?",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I thought you just went yesterday.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The next power of two is 4096",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "but is 4096-1 prime?",
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"text": "No: 4095 / 5 = 819 * 5",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "every 25th of the month there's a votive Mass in honor of the Divine Infant King at my parish",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "it lacks the root of perfection....",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Having read every comment on this thread so far, I am amazed at your guys' patience to argue to the same point over and over again to someone who you know won't listen. That said, he has provoked a number of good and informative comments from you guys that have made this thread (almost) worth the time spent on it. I admire your guys' patience; I get frustrated just reading it.",
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"text": "4095 = 3 * 3 * 5 * 7 * 13",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Edward Langley, you graph is the coolest thing I have yet seen on this thread.",
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"text": "33550336 is the fifth.... that means 8191 is the next root of perfection",
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"text": "\"Anything is of faith in two ways; directly, where any truth comes to us principally as divinely taught, as the trinity and unity of God, the Incarnation of the Son, and the like; and concerning these truths a false opinion of itself involves heresy, especially if it be held obstinately. A thing is of faith, indirectly, if the denial of it involves as a consequence something against faith; as for instance if anyone said that Samuel was not the son of Elcana, for it follows that the divine Scripture would be false. Concerning such things anyone may have a false opinion without danger of heresy, before the matter has been considered or settled as involving consequences against faith, and particularly if no obstinacy be shown; whereas when it is manifest, and especially if the Church has decided that consequences follow against faith, then the error cannot be free from heresy. For this reason many things are now considered as heretical which were formerly not so considered, as their consequences are now more manifest.\" I.32 a.4 co.",
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"text": "\"In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order.\"\nThis is the Church's infallible teaching on the necessity of Revelation to know truths of the metaphysical order. \nNow, some maintain that \"natural theology\" is necessary for the fullness of the sacred, and in so doing they provide instruction in metaphysics without knowledge of the sacred principles of revelation under the authority of the Church. \nHow foolish. This would be like teaching theology in a Catholic college without teaching the fullness of what the Church teaches! It would be like shooting an arrow without aim.",
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"text": "Just a word to the wise on all sides (and to add to the number of comments, especially repetitive ones). It makes your opponent seem far more benighted if he is the only one making ad hominem comments.",
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"text": "Where's the magisterial source of that, Peregrine? All I can find are quotations from Ott.",
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"text": "I think Warren Carroll is probably a Saint. He tethered instruction to the fullness of the teaching Church, and has given many students great joy and purpose in their studies.",
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"text": "I don't use Ott or Denzinger. The theological exegesis of doctrine is fascinating, and is often not conveyed in these sources. Doctrine comes from the life of the Church in Her sacred science. It is the most wonderful science.",
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"text": "St. Thomas argues in favor of using ad hominem arguments, especially if your opponent is an unreasonable barbarian. (Why are the barbarians attacking Rome impervious to reason? Because they are barbarians.)",
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"text": "The phrasing of that quote looks like something said ut in pluribus.",
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"text": "For example why is it said to be \"morally impossible\" rather than just \"impossible?\"",
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"text": "I think it says that because assent is moral. It is not just a factual proposition. Man's final end and goodness, all subjects of metaphysics, cannot be handled under metaphysics properly, without revelation. So it is a moral proposition.",
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"text": "Because it involves more than the intellect, but also the will?",
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"text": "It's from Vat. I",
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"name": "Maximilian Nightingale",
"text": "This is still going on? I admire Sean Robertson for reading all the posts. I will not do the same. Mr. Scott is so odd... I'm not sure if you guys ever figured out what theology is, but in my experience TAC grads never have a hard time at theology in seminary. They certainly ask more questions than other students (sometimes without raising their hands), but this typically represents a willingness to understand. The most recent comments indicate that Vatican I was cited against the condemnable fideism/traditionalism which appears to be held by Peregrine, so this is thread is probably winding to a close.... Then again, he just said that he doesn't use Ott or Denzinger, so now I'm puzzled as to where he's getting his sources...",
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"text": "Vatican I On Revelation:\nIt is indeed thanks to this divine revelation, that those matters concerning God which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason,\ncan, even in the present state of the human race, be known\nby everyone without difficulty, with firm certitude and\nwith no intermingling of error.\n[now here comes the moral part]\nIt is not because of this that one must hold revelation to be absolutely necessary; the reason is that God directed human beings to a supernatural end, that is a sharing in the good things of God that utterly surpasses the understanding of the human mind; indeed eye has not seen, neither has ear heard, nor has it come into our hearts to conceive what things God has prepared for those who love Him.",
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"text": "Maximilian, you seem verifiably odd yourself. I guess if your observation about seminary serves us all correctly, then all is well. Thank you for that insight. I do not hold to fideism. I embrace the role of metaphysics and reason in the life of the Church and in sacred theology, and in human anthopology. It's just that I give revelation and devotion its right place. Context & proportion is everything in education.",
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"text": "I have literally moved to a different country since this thread began.",
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"text": "Just so everyone is clear, the above citation from Vat I means that WITHOUT revelation, you canNOT hold with firm certitude or without error things about God which fall within the scope of reason ((about His existence, Himself, His laws and will; ie. metaphysics or natural theology).",
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"text": "right you are Mr. Bonaventure. But no one is claiming that you can, except you claiming that TAC claims that. It is a many-nested claim-a-thon",
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"text": "Yes, Michael, TAC is claiming that you need to proceed with metaphysics first in order for you to be able to obtain, later in life, a fully developed sacred theology. This is flawed.",
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"text": "nope nope nope. obtain is not the same as understand, study or any other process. You're setting up a straw man....again\n<sigh>",
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"text": "By the way, some wise person way up there suggested a thread drinking game. I vote we start laying down some rules.",
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"text": "that's hard when most of my posting is at work. They frown on that sort of thing",
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"text": "Let me tread lightly here, Michael, in good faith. TAC seems to be saying that you need to study metaphysics in order for you to understand sacred theology. This is evident in its Charter and curriculum. This is a flawed approach, because as the Church teaches, revelation in the sacred science is required for the perfection of metaphysics.",
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"text": "1) Every time Michael Beitia's last name is misspelled.",
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"text": "an ounce of tequila",
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"text": "your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises:\n1) TAC claims you need to study metaphysics to understand sacred theology\n2) the Church teaches revelation in the sacred science is required for perfection in metaphysics\nthere is no conclusion that follows from these two things, least of all that TAC's method is flawed",
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"text": "2) Every time JA Escalante quotes/threatens to quote the Catholic Encyclopedia.",
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"text": "3) Every time PB's argument is successfully refuted.",
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"text": "Are these like thimble size glasses and microsips. ...... cause otherwise the thread will die soon, as pb refuters pass out.",
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"text": "Pass out? Or die of alcohol poisoning?",
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"text": "Of course my argument is conclusive. The church teaches the sacred science and revelation is necessary to establish an error free metaphysics. This is the case between any sapiential science and revelation and the deposit of Faith. The maxim is faith seeking understanding. But TAC does the opposite, in its curriculum and teaching. It teaches that you must learn metaphysics first, in order to be able to have a full sacred theology later. This is a flaw, because it only makes false assumptions about the Faith because it is using a flawed metaphysics. \nSee Dick run. Run Dick run!",
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"text": "^nope that's just your perpetual straw man",
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"text": "id est: \"have\" is not the same as \"learn\"",
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"text": "pretty sure \"Peregrine\" is Matthew's sock puppet for Klout-raising purposes",
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"text": "Come on, Matthew, admit it's you. No real person can be *that* unreasonable",
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"text": "updates!:",
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"text": "I'm thirsty JAson, whip out the Catholic Encyclopedia!",
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"text": "TAC asserts you need to study metaphysics first, before sacred science, in order for you to be able to learn theology in its fullness later. \nThis is the opposite of what the Church teaches.\nGame over.",
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"text": "I've been on vacation so I'm late to this party buuuuuuuuuut http://i1.kym-cdn.com/.../hey-guys-whats-going-on-thread.jpg\ni1.kym-cdn.com\ni1.kym-cdn.com",
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"text": "? Uh, we cover Thomas's adaptation of Aristotle in the Summa before we cover Aristotle's own metaphysics so... no.",
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"text": "About to go into class so... bye.",
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"text": "here's what TAC teaches:\nWhile, therefore, We hold that every word of wisdom, every useful thing by whomsoever discovered or planned, ought to be received with a willing and grateful mind, We exhort you, venerable brethren, in all earnestness to restore the golden wisdom of St. Thomas, and to spread it far and wide for the defense and beauty of the Catholic faith, for the good of society, and for the advantage of all the sciences. The wisdom of St. Thomas, We say; for if anything is taken up with too great subtlety by the Scholastic doctors, or too carelessly stated -- if there be anything that ill agrees with the discoveries of a later age, or, in a word, improbable in whatever way -- it does not enter Our mind to propose that for imitation to Our age. Let carefully selected teachers endeavor to implant the doctrine of Thomas Aquinas in the minds of students, and set forth clearly his solidity and excellence over others. Let the universities already founded or to be founded by you illustrate and defend this doctrine, and use it for the refutation of prevailing errors. But, lest the false for the true or the corrupt for the pure be drunk in, be ye watchful that the doctrine of Thomas be drawn from his own fountains, or at least from those rivulets which, derived from the very fount, have thus far flowed, according to the established agreement of learned men, pure and clear; be careful to guard the minds of youth from those which are said to flow thence, but in reality are gathered from strange and unwholesome streams.",
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"text": "Haha. That's funny.",
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"text": "why, o trollish raptor?",
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"text": "This entire thread is one of several hundred instances that remind me of the following:\n1) TAC would implode servers if they decided to do online courses\n2) TAC'ers are weirdly obsessed with Facebook (saying vs doing, probably)\n3) I hate TAC'ers on Facebook most of the time (myself included. It's a spiritual self-loathing of sorts.)\n4) I don't hate TAC'ers when all they contribute is a funny image (Tim Cantu, mad props.)",
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"text": "I'm with you Escalante. I waffle between being totally amused, and trying to be serious. The thread is, however, a joke.",
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"text": "BTW, Pater Edmund. That first link is quite a lengthy dispute. But I will take a looksee. However, I do not think you responded to my argument. You merely provided an example. That is, you did not addresses the questions and statements I made.",
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"text": "...It's so \"incarnational.\" (There is still time. Nothing infallible yet.)",
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"text": "^\"Get alcohol poisoning with this one weird trick!\"",
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"text": "What would y'all most like to add to TAC curriculum if you could? One author/reading/topic only.",
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"text": "\"Sacred Theology\"=shot of j\u00e4ger",
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"text": "I don't really know the curriculum; I just like to criticize it. But I have a better idea reading this thread ",
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"text": "The Tao te Ching.",
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"text": "It's a great text!",
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"text": "of the many topics we covered, I most wished we had covered sacred theology. so I guess that would be my answer.",
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"text": "\"This thread reflects the views of its eternal self in time only by its operation - and is in no way affiliated with or representative of Thomas Aquinas College.\" You are now free to bask in its glory.",
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"text": "If I'm being serious, the Great Gatsby. I'm also not much of a thinker, so it probably doesn't fit in.",
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"text": "No undergraduate Catholic institution in America limits the role of revelation in sapiential philosophy more than Thomas Aquinas College. It's not even close. \nSo behold the titles of the seniors theses, and weep for their unemployability, and pray that at least a couple of them might be hired by the college to tutor; then marvel if any of these men of leisure can pay off their loans.",
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"text": "I have no interest in engaging the broader point, but the notion that it's impossible to pay off the massive debt load TAC saddles you with is laughable. If you take out the maximum in TAC loans, the standard 10-year repayment plan costs less than $200 a month.\nBut I must return to reveling in my unemployability.",
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"text": "I had a discussion with my Rhetoric students on how to figure out if you're arguing with a fanatic. It's pretty simple. You just ask him \"What would it take to change your mind?\"\nFor as Churchill said, \"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.\" Nothing will ever change PB's mind. At this point, then, the only use in continuing to argue is for the sake of anyone possessing reason who could be in danger of falling sway to his brand of lunacy. Rational dialogue with a fanatic is a losing strategy. Even worse, you will always begin to take on the same characteristics as the fanatic, and his methods will begin to rub off on you.\nThe truth is that a fanatic is truly unable to stop. A mania compels him, and that mania can never be sufficiently clarified or satisfied.\nVoltaire once had an argument with a Quaker over whether it made sense for them to call themselves Christians when they do not practice baptism. His conclusion: \u201cI took care not to dispute anything he said, for there\u2019s no arguing with an Enthusiast. Better not take it into one\u2019s head to tell a lover the faults of his mistress, or a litigant the weakness of his cause \u2014 or to talk sense to a fanatic. And so I went on to other questions.\u201d",
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"text": "More literature I think would be in order. It's a complaint I've heard. And probably more politics / ethics from what I've heard. But for specific books I would have to look through the curriculum. (The Great Gatsby would not be on my list.) A poetry class including Dryden instead. How about a poetry memorization class (a la John Senior and IHS)? A poetry writing class? .......... just trying to spark others' thoughts here.",
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"text": "Just getting out of signing up at HR and getting my ID card at the top ten national liberal arts college where I teach this semester. \nNow I gotta go back to my place and work on my other jobs - I mean, signing up for unemployment....",
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"text": "I fully admit that Gatsby does not belong in the curriculum; I just like it. This is why I'll never have any role in setting curriculum at, well, any place of higher education.",
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"text": "Really, the debt load at TAC is lower than almost any other liberal arts college in America - and in the top 100 it's usually one of the cheapest and best.",
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"text": "TAC's financial aid is honestly unbelievably good, but because it's unorthodox (when compared to mainstream financial aid) it has a reputation as stingy. Which is unfortunate, because in my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.",
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"text": "Brainstorm: as a Catholic alternative to the Ice Bucket challenge, people have to come here and \"debate\" The Peregrine for a couple of rounds or else donate a hundred bucks to charity.",
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"text": "Tim - the Great Gatsby is absolutely defensible for inclusion in a Great Books program. I would include it. It even has \"Great\" in the title. \nI would add A Confederacy of Dunces, actually. Funniest book ever.",
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"text": "I now feel remarkably vindicated in this opinion, Isak.",
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"text": "But doesn't everyone at TAC read the Confederacy anyway?",
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"text": "Choice 2: \"The Double Helix\" by Watson and Crick.",
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"text": "I just had to get that in the first post, Michael.",
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"text": "I think Matthew, it depends on what you're replacing. I'd revamp lab, top to bottom.",
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"text": "This is a (distilled and abridged) story that reminds me of this thread:\nI'm with my family in Fort Collins, CO. We're taking the opportunity to enjoy the delightful Old Town district and walking around it a lot. Fort Collins being a hippie town, we were accosted (politely) by a Greenpeace activist who wanted to save the rainforests. I listened to his speech, only interrupting to ask which rainforests he wanted to save because I didn't like some of them (which really threw him for a loop). At the end of the speech when he asked us for a small donation and to become members, I said \"No, I don't want to.\" When pressed for a reason, and when he gave me more good reasons to join, I said \"Yeah, but I don't want to.\", and politely went on my way. I have a new hobby; trolling sidewalk activists. And it reminds me of this thread.",
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"text": "TAC and the like are steals compared to other places that are 50-60k a year.",
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"text": "I'd like to add Camus. The Stranger if y'all are hung up on fiction, I prefer The Rebel",
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"text": "aww Tim you shouldn't; they're just kids and it's a shite job.",
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"text": "Hey, I was polite and listened to him, but seriously, I'm not joining greenpeace or any other organization because an unwashed guy on a sidewalk told me I should.",
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"text": "also, as someone firmly in denial about his age, I reject the contention that I am not just a kid myself.",
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"text": "Other suggestions: Viktor Frankl's \"Man's Search for Meaning,\" and Graham Greene's \"The Power and the Glory.\"\nI vote more fiction. But I understand not wanting it. TAC doesn't do too well with fiction, literature, or poetry in general.",
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"text": "Megan: what if we stipulate that whatever fiction is added will be added at the expense of Faerie Queene?",
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"text": "I think there's a strong case to replace some of soph seminar. Take out the Faerie Queene (sorry Pi-Pi) and stick in ...... .anything? Livy?",
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"text": "I'm just of the opinion that the old literature is so vastly superior, that if you spend enough time with the old, you will have no trouble with the recent stuff on your own. More time on the ancients (through Renaissance) and your all good. .. ..... more than that, I really like fewer and fewer of the new productions. They don't make the cut.",
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"text": "My gosh. Stick in Cormac McCarthy in place of the Faerie Queene. Stick in ROWLING!",
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"text": "Spenser sucked",
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"text": "what is this Spenser-hatred, fear of a Protestant planet?",
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"text": "Pietta tried for like two hours to explain to me why it is in the program. I glazed over ....",
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"text": "If we want Renaissance English stuff, maybe Sidney's Defense of Poetry.",
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"text": "John, re: your poetry suggestion. I found it troublesome that after encounters only with epic poetry and some Shakespearean sonnets, seniors were expected to have a productive conversation about The Wasteland, one of the most difficult (if magnificent) poems ever written. This when barely anyone even knew what alliteration was.",
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"text": "right, Isak. . . . for myself I've never been able to get into Eliot. But it doesn't matter. I have too many great ones to spend time on.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Upping the heresy quotient: James Joyce's Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.",
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"text": "Or with modern man's distaste for overblown Renaissance poetry. Spenser is like a literary fruitcake with LOTS of dried fruit and LOTS of nuts. Just cuz it's traditional, doesn't make it good. Please pass the cr\u00e8me brulee and the Yeats!",
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"text": "Passage to India?",
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"text": "Daniel - SO MUCH YES.",
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"text": "CHAUCER (do ya'll read him? He is my favorite English poet = GOAT)",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Thank God no one said any C.S. Lewis. I need to keep my dinner down",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Or maybe Ulysses? It would provide a nice book-end to the Odyssey.",
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"text": "Spenser is theology for goodnesss' sake",
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"text": "Ok. A poetry unit would be ok. The Four Quartets. Some Donne. Some Yeats. Some R. P. Warren. Mmmmm...",
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"text": "But...do you guys think that the inclusion of Tolkien in the Great Books canon is imminent? I know some who do.",
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"text": "Yeah, Chaucer's Tales in place of Spencer ALL DAY",
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"text": "Poetry and lit seminars made me fearful and depressed for the state of other souls. It was oddly voyeuristic, except you didn't want to see the uncouth ig'nance that was revealed.",
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"text": "I think TAC students would spontaneously combust if they had to try to read Ulysses.",
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"text": "Yeah. Def. more. literature. then. Matthew.",
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"text": "^this^ (up one)",
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"text": "We did Chaucer, but more would have been great.",
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"text": "for one thing, literature is much harder to discuss that propositions",
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "How many people here have seen Moneyball? Is More Literature the new market inefficiency?",
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"text": "another thing, it's longer",
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"text": "It's also much easier to read.",
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"text": "yeah and if Yeats, then \"Crazy Jane and the Bishop\"...see how that would fly at TAC",
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"text": "That's largely because they have done insufficient philosophy or theology or history or all three.",
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"text": "I prefer Icelandic sagas. Could I get a few votes for Egil's Saga?",
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"text": "I'm definitely a fanatic, but I liked reading the Faerie Queen.",
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"text": "But Beowulf is not as good (I love it don't get me wrong). But y'all need more readable ENGLISH, especially poetry.",
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"text": "yeah Catherine but you think metaphysics is necessary for sacred theology sooooooo",
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"text": "Howl.",
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"text": "but seriously imagine trying to discuss the The Alexandria Quartet in seminar at TAC",
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"text": "Chaucer's Middle English is very easy to pick up in a week.",
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"text": "but I don't ever want to spend two hours talking about poetry with a bunch of twenty-year olds (You kids get off my lawn!)",
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"text": "it would be utter ruin",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "or imagine discussing Finnegan's Wake with a bunch of 17 year old homeschoolers. UTTER RUIN",
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"text": "Kerouac - !!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "almost as bad as discussing it with critical theorists.....",
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"text": "Kerouac is better to listen to.",
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"text": "Multi-media! The return and rise of literature as spoken! The modern Homer!",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I think, generally... No, I won't go there. That would be fanatical.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Erotokritos. Still chanted every day all over Greece, and almost totally unknown in the West. And did Megan just call Kerouac the modern Homer for reals?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I think most students at TAC have to spend too much energy assenting to particular tenants that are far more limiting than the universal freedoms which the Catholic Faith has to offer. When they graduate, a lot of times they don't know how to believe and go with the flow. They don't know how to think outside of any box. There are exceptions to this rule, but go ahead and dispute me. I am fanatical about it.",
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"name": "John Kunz",
"text": "THREE THOUSAND WITHIN THE HOUR PEOPLE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZxHAZChcYU\nPicard - Make It So",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Peregrine, it's \"tenets\"",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Hey - shouldn't TAC be paying ME for this thread, as the headline is a gigantic advert for them?",
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"text": "not \"tenants\"",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "And it is continually in everyone's face?",
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"text": "might result in a drop in admissions though",
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"text": "Assenting to tenants sounds ... prostitutional...",
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"text": "SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT THE TENETS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM. AT LEAST IT'S AN ETHOS.",
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"text": "I would only take 10% and distribute the rest weekly -proportionally to top commentators.",
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"text": "And then you could all use that money to help pay student loans, thus renewing the eternal return - the Neverending Thread.",
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"text": "If there were a contemporary Virgil or Homer, what form would he write in? What would he write about?",
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"text": "there couldnt be a contemporary Homer; cf Lewis on primary and secondary epic in \"Preface to Paradise Lost\"",
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"text": "My word, thank you, I meant tenets.",
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"text": "there could be a contemporary Virgil; Tolkien *might* be something like it",
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"text": "\"There are exceptions to this rule, but go ahead and dispute me.\"\nIn that case, the exceptions to this rule are essentially every graduate of TAC I know personally. But as they say, quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.",
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"text": "\"If there were a contemporary Virgil or Homer, what form would he write in? What would he write about?\"\nSing, O muse, of the rage of Peregrine, that brought countless comments upon the book of faces...",
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"text": "Would he write about Hobits?",
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"text": "I sing of facebook and a man of faces... And then we could write about how Juno hates America and the founders. But what form would it take?",
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"text": "60 more comments to the mark",
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"text": "So back to the question about what should be added to the curriculum... What about Bonaventure?",
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"text": "so we stopped talking about proposed additions? Damn this moves fast. I would suggest more modern philosophy, but not too modern so as not to scare anybody. I and Thou by Buber? \nDiscipline and Punish be Foucalt. then I could show my campusing was unjust",
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"text": "i pushed for Bonaventure when I was there. No luck",
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"text": "I for one say quod gratis asserritur, gratis negatur all the time.",
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"text": "\"The Monster at the End of this Book\" is worth a seminar, I think.",
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"text": "At TAC, is it big news when the curriculum changes a little?",
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"text": "yes. it is big news. I lucked out and missed TS Eliot",
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"text": "Things I Am Learning Today: I am remarkably poorly read compared to you people.",
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"text": "but I missed out on one of my favs, Heidegger, but we used to do private seminars for that",
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"text": "I thought we read the Wasteland while we were there... did we not?!",
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"text": "What form would great epic poem take today?",
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"text": "Nope, just talked about it ad nauseum with Matthew Peterson",
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"text": "^Tupac.",
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"text": "Foucault would be great and useful",
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"text": "50shades of grey",
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"text": "The great epic form of today = Star Wars",
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"text": "uh, no",
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"text": "It's settled then, Foucalt. When Can I expect my check, Peterson?",
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"text": "(I was kidding on Star Wars... I do think that film as literature needs to get more respect, though.)",
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"text": "only if Peter Jackson will drink a cup of bleach",
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"text": "no you did not read,\nthe shadow under the red rock,\ncome here under the shadow of the red rock,\nTwit twit\nJug Jug",
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"text": "no I read it a million times. Just not suffering through a 2 hour seminar on it",
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"text": "now there's a thought. Why not assign films.",
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"text": "Shakespeare today would be directing films. And the poets would be rocking out in Indie bands.",
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"text": "Yeats was right, the death of modern poetry is its severance from music",
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"text": "as long as we could watch Trollhunter\nhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/\nTrollhunter (2010)\nwww.imdb.com\nDirected by Andr\u00e9 \u00d8vredal. With Otto Jespersen, Robert Stoltenberg, Knut N\u00e6rum, Glenn Erland Tosterud. A group of students investigates a series of mysterious bear killings, but learns that there are much more dangerous things going on. They start to follow a mysterious hunter, learning that he is a\u2026",
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"text": "Darn, I thought you were serious about Star Wars. I am actually watching it right now with David and Jack. They are in the giant trash compactor as we speak. It is an epic with a simple structure. We could right one about the war with al quada and the extremists. This is an old war.\nBut what metre should it take? What form should the words take?",
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"text": "I don't think the great poets would be in Indie bands. Every great age has poets, except ours, but we live in the greatest age. Why is that? Do we not need poets? Are they really rocking out like men of leisure in India bands?",
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"text": "I wonder what form the words would take? Would it be hexameter with no rhyme scheme?",
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"text": "it's a big modernist optical illusion which forbids us to see Vladimir Vysotsky or George Brassens as great poets",
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"text": "Pray for us, Michael!",
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"text": "I think great poets cannot hide behind contemporaneous excuses. They rise like corks. What form would they write in today. If they still wrote epics. Would it have rhyme? I wonder.",
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"text": "Tolkien definitely wrote a \"secondary epic\". Whether it is the great one of our time is hard to say",
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"text": "It's not about the world though, or America or the rise of a nation. It's just about Hobbits. It's shear fantasy, unless it's an analogy about WWI or Armagedon or something? Is it about any historical event, or is it just about the struggle between good and evil? Just wondering.",
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"text": "thats what the LOTR is!",
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"text": "and to answer yr question, it's about the inner structure of political order and how one relates to the heroic past in order to be virtuous in the present",
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"text": "and \"hobbits\" are the modern middle class, petit-bourgeoisie",
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"text": "\"or imagine discussing Finnegan's Wake with a bunch of 17 year old homeschoolers\" --the Old Testament was bad enough. At least one person had to have circumcision explained to them, or so I hear.",
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"text": "at least one person in my seminar had to have explained to them what Dido and Aeneas were up to in the cave",
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"text": "What about throwing some Chesterton into senior seminar? I'm just not sure how discussable that would be. Maybe it would depend whether it was his fiction or non-fiction.",
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"text": "Chesterton's play is good. It is called Magic. I wrote a thesis about it. He uses a unique kind of discovery in it. His discovery is supernatural as the classical Greek discovery is like nature. Chesterton was really a playwright, but didn't know it. He only wrote one play. At least that was my theory.",
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"text": "^ I think that's plausible, actually",
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"text": "Yeah, that could make some sense. At the very least, I've always thought that Chesterton was a poet who happened to write a lot of prose, while Lewis (for example) was a prose writer who happened to write some poetry.",
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"text": "Say more about it, Peregrine. I admit I never liked the \"discovery\" in the Fr Brown stories, seemed always too telepathic and irrational",
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"text": "Did you miss 3000?",
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"text": "I agree. The senery and the actors apparently had a good effect on him. They drew him in. His play is more elegant.",
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"text": "I think the Fourth Millenium must be Joachim of Fiore's Age of the Holy Spirit -- JA and Peregrine are agreeing on something.",
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"text": "The play is built around one central change/discovery. It is a story about a love and a marriage. The woman is seduced by a conjurer. There are two forces working in the plot. GKC worked from a literary theory called the mystical minimum of gratitude. This was a constant theory that he applied. The tiniest particple of positive grace can overwhelm a universe of darkness. The Christian narrative uses this discovery. Why was God born in a stable. This is a mystical minimum. Our hearts are wired to respond in gratitude to this discovery.",
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"text": "In the play Magic, Chesterton orchestrates this kind of discovery. He uses two lights, one red one blue, for this discovery. The discovery has two parts: the diminishment of evil and the increase of gratitude. So it is a different kind of discovery. There's more to it, and there's only one in the play. He liked hanging out with the actors, and he liked how it was live. But he withdrew from it, probably because theater is like what St. Francis de Sales says about dancing, and GKC was very virtuous. He was no George Bernard Shaw.",
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"text": "Joel. You sadden me.",
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"text": "Peregrine Bonaventure - JA Escalante - this GKC discussion reminds me of one of my favorite poems about Shakespeare, and the fact that few know what they are actually good at, or what they are here for:\nhttp://donmarquis.com/literature?pp=656\nLiterature | DonMarquis.com\ndonmarquis.com",
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"text": "That parrot sure knows his Shakespeare! Thank you.",
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"text": "http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19094/19094-h/19094-h.htm\nThe Project Gutenberg eBook of Magic, by G.K. Chesterton.\nwww.gutenberg.org\nG.P. PUTNAM'S SONS NEW YORK AND LONDON The Knickerbocker Press 1913 , 1913 BY G.K. CHESTERTON The Knickerbocker Press, New York play was presented under the management of Kenelm Foss at The Little Theatre, London, on November 7, 1913, with the following cast: : A plantation of thin young trees, in a\u2026",
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"text": "or \"The Ballad of the White Horse\"",
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"text": "I think Bonaventure's Itinerarium or De Reductione Artium ad Theologiam should be in the curriculum. Also, it'd be kinda neat to have read some Boccaccio or some such before reading Dante and Cervantes.",
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"text": "But, generally I'm on Escalante's side: there's already too much literature in the curriculum, there should be more medieval philosophy and more math and science: something by Cantor or Hilbert perhaps or perhaps just spending more time on Dedekind and Lobachevsky. (Maybe a semester of Set theory and symbolic logic and a semester of non-Euclidean geometry instead of the current senior math program? That would definitely help grad students out).\nAlso, one of my discoveries at grad school is that analytic philosophy is generally much more interesting than contemporary Thomism.",
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"text": "Isak who are these great poets doing their thing today, and what form and meter are they using?",
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"text": "And I never appreciated T.S. Eliot until I listened to recordings of him reading his own poetry.",
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"text": "More time for learning about beekeeping and vinetending should take place senior year. Students need more practical time to keep them in reality.",
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"text": "Work Study is 13 hours of practical time a week.... Unless you are in the parcel room . . .",
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"text": "Were there any noteworthy theses on literature this year.",
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"text": "More doctrine, and dogmatic theology freshman year, but I know we are all in agreement with that.",
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"text": "Ok we can't just add more course work. So I'm all for just fixing up math and sciences, which is what the college is working on too.",
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"text": "I also think that throwing in some computer science might be worthwhile: there's some really fascinating research in algorithms which could potentially complement one's thought about the interior senses.",
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"text": "Ed, just so I keep up good appearances with your wife. . . Shouldn't you be working on your Thesis? ",
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"text": "That's a great start Ed. Now you need to follow it up with a Broadway musical. The trouble with work is you sometimes need to move. I had to go to DC for my first job. I got kicked around for a few years, then finally landed in a career path as a speechwriter.",
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"text": "Sorry you got mugged and about your home.",
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"text": "We never had tutors are Christendom. We only had professors. They made us wake up half an hour before we went to bed to read Denzinger.",
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"text": "Were those intentional?",
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"text": "You might as well post it, Josh.",
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"text": "Well the rest of us are not really better... We are all still here or keep coming back...",
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"text": "I will concede that was fun, Joel, if you will concede that it was totally cool when I kept our Goethe seminar going the full two hours even though everyone else was in a pizza coma.",
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"text": "That's right! Did we have that one in St. Pat's/the old 400 dorms? I vaguely recall it being there though that wasn't the usual classroom.",
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"text": "And yes, I'll happily concede that Samantha.",
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"text": "And do you vaguely recall berating me afterwards? Ironic, coming from the guy who made us all stay *late* to listen to Elliot. ; )",
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"text": "Alrighty then. It is analogous to natural reason. Remember Aquinas divides the works of Aristotle in several ways. One distinction is between reason that produces certain knowledge (prior and posterior analytics), another produces opinion (Topics), another suspicion (rhetoric) and another a certain inclination through fittingness (Poetics)\nThe first works with necessary arguments (valid and sound syllogisms). The next gives an arguments that wholly declines the mind to one side of a contradiction, but leaving the either side as still possible, just not reasonably held (with the evidence at hand). The next declines the intellect to one side, but not completely, by making it more probable. The last inclines to one side through a certain beauty.\nNow the assent of faith is like to the first, in that there is certitude and an affirmation of necessity. But assent of intellect and will does not exclude the possibility of it being wrong, but does mean that the strength of authority for the position calls for an affirmation that totally declines to one side of the contradiction.\nIt is analogous to a regular person accepting the consensus of biologists about certain biological theories. It is reasonable, and necessary, to trust experts. While also admitting an outside possibility of them being wrong here.\nLikewise, when the pope or the bishops teach with authority, but not definitively, that is strength enough, not to exclude the possibility of another side, but to produce opinion and grant moral certitude (you can act safely on it) and renders it normally unreasonable to deny it (as it is absurd for someone who never studied that much math to dismiss non Euclidean geometries)\nNow it is possible that an individual, who is well learned and studied is persuaded that such a pronouncement is false. He needs to ask himself, how competent he is on the subject... and then, if he cannot but disagree, in that rare instance assent of mind and intellect is not owed, but risk of scandal should prevent public disagreement. Outside of that rare instance, one gives internal assent, but as to an opinion. Obviously the maisterium of the pope supercedes that of a local bishop, etc. And there is the practical difficulty in determining what the Church permits for free discussion, and what is not.\nIf the CCC be considered an act of the magisterium, then so was the Roman Catechism. But they contradict each other on substantial points. At some point the majority of theologians rejected the Roman Catechism's teaching on holy orders, in spite of what appears as an act of the authentic magisterium....in a very real way theologians have relied on tacit consent to such debates...in our day of not condemning outright error, it makes it very difficult to assume \"no censure\" = tacit approval. But that is kind of how it goes.",
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"text": "Me? Berating someone? Surely not!",
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"text": "We can speed that up...post padding is an art",
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"text": "Welcome back, Michael, thanks for your prayers.",
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"text": "Has anyone at TAC ever written a thesis on the theory of evolution. It seems to me man came from dust, not from an ape-like creature. Mutation is a kind of evolution, but one thing cannot evolve into another.",
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"text": "I am leaving, but I just want to say how much I love and value what my alma gave me. I love reading those thesis titles. And sure, there's stuff to critique and even criticize. But it's great to know the people I know from going to TAC, and to have learned what we learned there. Haters gonna hate. But lovers gonna love, too. And thank God for that place and all it did for us. It was good for me --and so were you, my classmates. Goodnight, good people.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Right now, Everything is happening at the same moment. Good night, moon.",
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"text": "PB why is your only concern about form and meter?\nWho are the great poets? Gee I don't know, maybe try Christian Wiman, B.H. Fairchild, Wendell Berry, Ted Kooser, Maurice Manning, Mary Karr, Mary Szybist, Tomas Transtromer, Robert Hass, Philip Schultz, Charles Wright, W.S. Merwin, or Derek Walcott. Or if you are okay with the recently deceased, Czeslaw Milosz, Wislawa Szymborska, Philip Levine - or how about Seamus Heaney, who died last year?\nIf you can't take your poetry straight and need it cut with the sweet traditional forms, try Dana Gioia, Richard WIlbur, or Timothy Steele. Recently deceased formalist poet Howard Nemerov is also excellent.\nThis age is blessed with an embarrassment of poetic riches.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Thomas, it would be shorter, the post count is growing exponentially",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "yeah. There be ways to continue that exponential growth. There is a method for burying trolls that hasnt been attempted.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dmx4pRUpnk...\nBrian Eno \"Everything Merges With The Night\"\nFrom ANOTHER GREEN WORLD \u00a9 1975 EG Records Ltd",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Please share it, John.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "well one way is to attempt to tell the monster at the end of the book in the present context.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "there is no end and a troll in the middle.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Haha, tell the monster what?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I'm afraid I don't follow.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "But it doesnt work for me because he's an invisible troll. I have plot details to finish up.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Isak!?!?! I forgot about Milosz. \"The Captive Mind\" would work in senior seminar",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Michael!?!?! Yes it would.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "But one can run away from and bury trolls in threads.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "sorry I just got excited....",
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"text": "Me too",
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"text": "Seriously though, anyone bemoaning a lack of great poets today is just crying for the bygone days without looking up to see the scenery in front of him.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Perhaps we have good poets, I doubt we have great ones.",
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"text": "What makes you say that, Ed? I'd welcome your opinion.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Maybe we'd have to clarify what we mean by \"great.\"",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I saw you unlike my comment John What made you waver?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I really don't have enough experience to have a solid opinion. But I tend to find today's formless poetry trite.\nMy appreciation of Eliot stems from discovering that he has more form than meets the eye. (Especially once Mr. Nieto introduced me to Hopkin's notion of Sprung Meter)",
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"text": "the word great",
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"text": "Ash Wednesday, for example, nearly always has five stresses on a line, even if it's unstressed syllables don't match the classical classes of meter. Hopkin's poetry is similar: he does weird things with accent, but he almost always writes pentametert.",
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"text": "I would agree that formless poetry is trite. But I would not agree that the poets I consider the current \"best\" write formlessly. Hold on a sec",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "going to bed now, but just wanted to thank Isak for the list, I have been wondering about modern poetry recently but didn't know where to start.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Also, German poetry is amazing, 'specially Goethe, Schiller and Heine.",
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"text": "Here's Christian Wiman's \"Every Riven Thing:\"\nGod goes, belonging to every riven thing he's made\nsing his being simply by being\nthe thing it is:\nstone and tree and sky,\nman who sees and sings and wonders why\nGod goes. Belonging, to every riven thing he's made,\nmeans a storm of peace.\nThink of the atoms inside the stone.\nThink of the man who sits alone\ntrying to will himself into a stillness where\nGod goes belonging. To every riven thing he's made\nthere is given one shade\nshaped exactly to the thing itself:\nunder the tree a darker tree;\nunder the man the only man to see\nGod goes belonging to every riven thing. He's made\nthe things that bring him near,\nmade the mind that makes him go.\nA part of what man knows,\napart from what man knows,\nGod goes belonging to every riven thing he's made.",
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"text": "I didnt really appreciate poetry until i taught it, and meter is important as well as substance.",
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"text": "Another way of saying what I'm saying, I think, is that we may have many poets like Service, Longfellow and Poe, but I haven't found any Shakespeares.",
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"text": "\"Every Riven Thing\" is a brand new form.",
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"text": "Edward, if that's what you mean, I think I can agree with that. But that's because Shakespeare is beyond great, as is Dante. ",
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"text": "I don't think we even have a Donne or Hopkins",
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"text": "Agreed, John - but it's only one of many tools in the poet's toolbox.",
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"text": "(At least, Hopkins at his best)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "American literature is really bad.",
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"text": ".\nTHE world is charged with the grandeur of God.\nIt will flame out, like shining from shook foil;\nIt gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil\nCrushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?\nGenerations have trod, have trod, have trod;\nAnd all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;\nAnd wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil\nIs bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.\nAnd for all this, nature is never spent;\nThere lives the dearest freshness deep down things;\nAnd though the last lights off the black West went\nOh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs --\nBecause the Holy Ghost over the bent\nWorld broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.",
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"text": "i like Irving. . . . and . . . ok i admit i stopped reading it. And i probably read less poetry than Edward. I am just always disappointed. (O Conner is ok).",
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"text": "How can anyone say \"American literature is really bad?\" I really want to know!!",
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"text": "Well, I find Flannery O'Connor pointless.\nMelville is long-winded\nBut I love Twain",
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"text": "Melville is good. But i am cooling on Twain.",
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"text": "Graham Greene, Kurt Vonnegut, Walker Percy, William Faulkner, Herman Melville, Mark Twain, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, Flannery O'Connor, Ray Bradbury, Cormac McCarthy, Edgar Allen Poe, David Foster Wallace, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Jack London, Robert Penn Warren...all really bad, eh?",
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"text": "I haven't read most of them, mostly because (a) I don't read much literature and (b) when I do, I prefer to read English authors.",
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"text": "Well, that speaks for itself. Haha",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's probably not great literature, but I think reading Asimov helps one understand the modern scientific point of view.",
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"text": "O Connor has craft. Its her grotesque that gives pause and the just what is she doing. But i much prefer the music of the older poets and the beauty. The music is very important.",
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"text": "Asimov is very good. The Caves of Steel is a personal favorite.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Willa Cather - My Antonia. *drops mic*",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I do like My Antonia.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "isak. That list has a couple decent and and one horrific.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But, I don't think any of those authors compare to people like Dickens, Jane Austen and Wodehouse.",
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"text": "Gonna make me guess the horrific? Is it Faulkner?",
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"text": "none are great.",
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"text": "(I'd probably bet $5 on that claim)",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "You mean the authors you mostly haven't read? ",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Oh I know. You don't like DFW.",
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"text": "steinback is a terrible writer every way. There are a few decent but they are not great.",
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"text": "That's where the bet comes in, Isak",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The author of East of Eden = terrible writer? I really don't even know how to respond to that, but that's all right. Can I ask, would you explain what you mean by \"great?\" Maybe we're not really disagreeing very much.",
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"text": "Wodehouse is very funny, Edward, but I don't think he's much more than light entertainment. Not that that's a bad thing, of course.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Well, I think he has a nearly perfect command of language.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "The author of grapes of wrath cant write a story. Maybe east of eden is much better.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I also think people tend to give comedy short shrift",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And he's much better at short stories than O'Connor.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "wodehouse is good.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "O Connor definitely can write.",
"classes": "odd",
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"text": "You can overrate by calling her great. That is all.",
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"text": "Of course, aren't we forgetting this wonderful small-town piece of classic American literature - \"Under the Bleachers,\" by Seymour Butts?",
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"text": "great = what one ought never tire of rereading. You like?",
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"text": "Irving is good (lacks depth). Great because i dont tire of rereading. His stories are perfect.",
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"text": "I can also articulate at length the deficiencies of many of those authors. I guess i mean the measure is not my ability to reread but this: that we either continually learn something new with each reading or delight in the story again and again. But the wise understand best and have best taste and in their absence good poets are guides as well.",
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"text": "All we had at the house was Episode 1. \nTired. \nEnd of day. \nWife gone. \nI was sorely tempted. \nBut I couldn't sell my children out like that. So I walked all three of em down to the village and rented Episode IV, blue ray.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/pCjMGOvMghY\nStar Wars Talk to Your Kids PSA\nStar Wars fan dads discuss how they will talk to their kids about Star Wars.",
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"text": "If the \"I\" in your analogy stands for \"Isak,\" Edward - that's pretty funny. But I would hope I'm a better listener than a certain person. Also, we've all read the stuff he's quoting. You already said you hadn't read the authors I mentioned.\nJohn, defining great literature as \"that which one ought never tire of rereading\" is still appealing to an undefined standard. Why \"ought\" one not tire of rereading such and such a book? Since that standard or measure is undefined, it seems to me that your definition relies too much on the arbitrary. What of the person who enjoys rereading Twilight, or Harlequin romance novels?\nRemember too that Don Quixote never tired of reading and rereading his chivalrous adventure novels - and his brain dried up.\nThat's why I said your definition is incomplete. In all honesty though, I'm not sure I can define a great novel or novelist either.",
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"text": "Ah! And I just saw your followup comment. Somehow my screen is not updating the thread in real time. I agree more with your new qualification.\nHowever, I do not see why articulating the deficiencies of authors makes one a better reader of literature.",
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"text": "By that I mean something like:\n\"Vonnegut was a humanist.\"\n\"Yeah, so what?\"\n\"So he's a deficient author.\"\nMaybe that's not what you mean. If it is, I don't agree.",
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"text": "To define great lit well I think you have to get a little outside philosophy and plant a foot in the worlds of both art and (don't shoot me) history and culture. Great writers, aside from technical control and wisdom about human nature / the human condition, are also men and women of their time. Yeah, Shakespeare and Austen wear well through the centuries, but that is not because they removed themselves from the concerns and styles of their age, but because they embraced them so thoroughly. I also therefore think that there is a good case, in literature, for looking to minority writers and writers from other countries/ cultures to complete the picture. Literature is NOT philosophy.",
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"text": "I think THE literary art form of our age, though, is film. It's weird, because a film is always a group project. But re envisioning what art can be given the tools we have -- that's humanity. London made Shakespeare possible, Gutenberg made Tolstoy possible, the camera ... Well, who ARE the greatest screenwriters and directors of our age? Perhaps I'm off in thinking this way. I'm open to being convinced otherwise .... But I'd need real convincing.",
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"text": "I don't know Megan, film lends itself to passivity in a way that reading can't. There has always been trash literature (see also, Dumas) but in film it seems from a first glance that the trash is more.... voyeuristic? Is that the right word? And I'm not talking trash as in inappropriate film, but just \"a movie\" - like any summer action film. The way in which it entertains is different, and I would probably argue, lesser.\n(Except Trollhunter)",
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"text": "Couldn't you same the same of drama, Michael? Shakespeare? I mean, consider The Godfather.",
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"text": "Yes, it transports. I think that's why Shakespeare would have been all over it (see end of Tempest and A Midsummer Nights Dream). And Tolkien said fantasy wouldn't work as drama -- but his objections were pragmatic, and have been overcome by technology. (Which surprised me when I read it - !!)",
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"text": "Maybe it's a defect in me, but plays are about dialogue, not exploding cars and gun fights. \nPersonally, I've always liked the music/poetry comparison more than the film/literature comparison. But then you have film makers who were playwrights, like Mammet, right? very dialogue focused movies. But is that great? I know CGI makes me want to turn a film off, but I can watch a fully animated movie. It's a confused jumble here, no clear thoughts on the subject.",
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"text": "1) I have no speakers at work. \n2) and hour + of Johnny Neat-o? That's a lot to ask\n3) You really do have a link for everything, don't you Pater?",
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"text": "can you summarize?",
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"text": "Thanks for the link -- going on my list of things to watch! Incidentally, films that inform my thinking on this would be Babette's Feast (confluence of dialogue and image / color is really moving), Twelve Angry Men (originally a play, but the use of camera on faces develops it well... and nothing much \"happens\" but my 17-year-old girls were enthralled with the film), Inception (which is best and perhaps only done on film... and perhaps ends with a slick meta-commentary on the art of film itself as a \"shared dream\"...). Just thinking out loud. As usual. Ha!",
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"text": "I would amend the statement film is passive. Film when all the elements come together seamlessly can be very manipulative and the experience is more immediate. I don't like grouping film and literature, but they do have narrative in common. Film has at its disposal so many tools to tell a story and very different tools than literature. (Think the way Citizen Kane works with physical size; Wizard of Oz and color). But I often find that something has to alert me to a filmic device in order that I watch the film \"actively.\" Reading... I see and appreciate device everywhere but this might come down to training/indoctrination at this point.",
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"text": "Film might better be called \"art form\" than literature. It does involve literary elements, but ... yeah. I'd be willing to say it's not literature. But then ... what do we do with Shakespeare and Ibsen?",
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"text": "Earlier it was mentioned and questioned: \"Where did the poets [specifically the epic poets] go? Is it Tolkien or whoever?\" You guys, especially you guys in this thread, are not going to like the answer. After studying the epic form and whatnot for a lot of grad school, the art form that these people followed was not film. Film is where the Tragedians and Comedians went. The epic-writers went to video games. (Drops mic)",
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"text": "Huh! (And why wouldn't \"we guys\" like the idea that the epic poets went to video games? Despite being accused of being unable to think outside the box, I think \"we\" (whoever that is...) -- like any other rational human being -- are perfectly capable of thinking not only outside the box, but about the box itself. Just weigh in, man, and assume nothing!)",
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"text": "I don't play video games. Is there \"epic-wholeness\" in video games?",
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"text": "Whoa there Tex, where you stand in relation to the box is no interest of mine. I just didn't think that scholars wouid think much of video games. According to research into epic as an art form, one of the qualifying essential criteria for an epic is that it must contain a struggle against the inevitable. In _The Iliad_, the gods struggle against Zeus or the humans struggle against Hera, etc.. The drama created by that resistance is what creates the content of the epic. _Paradise Lost_ and _Jerusalem Delivered_ follow the same rule. There was also a heavy audience-participation element assumed to be in each epic, though that's less essential and more an artifact of its origin.",
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"text": "Then maybe you be hanging with the wrong scholars. my friend.",
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"text": "Not true. There is no limit to what scholars take seriously. (Also have a friend writing on video game music). Going back to epic and video games? Why? Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and present an argument not my own- our cosmology eschews wholeness, therefore the epic withers as a contemporary form. Not being familiar with video games, why are they epic?",
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"text": "And that certainly used to be true! But anyways, in a video game, it's the content itself that struggle against you, the player. The drama of overcoming the game as its plot struggles against you, the inevitable winner, is what creates the content of the game.",
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"text": "And the video game ignores the popular cosmology because they are intentionally made to be counter-cultural. It's ironic, I guess? They are wholly self-contained, because they need to be to make money. So I guess it's a sort of Capitalist-epic?",
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"text": "Does Harry Potter count as an epic?",
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"text": "By the way, Dobby dies. DOBBY DIES!",
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"text": "Granted it might not be a very good epic, but still...",
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"text": "I will ask a really fundamentally dumb question about video games: DEATH. Is there really any video game death?",
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"text": "Which one was Dobby? Was he the red haired kid?",
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"text": "Yeah there is in some of the larger plots, but usually the video game has to break its own suspension-of-disbelief-rules in order to have death. So, if a character must die, then all of the other tricks that the player has learned to avoid death or cheat death are taken from them. That's the Epic-ist taking control back, I suppose.",
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"text": "Oh jeez, Lendman liked my post about Dobby. He wasn't the red-haired kid, was he?",
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"text": "Never finished the books. I got lost in book 4 and never came out.",
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"text": "Book 4 was the one with the Twilight Guy that died right?",
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"text": "Oh Jeez it's finally happened. I'm \"out of touch.\"",
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"text": "Clayton, the Legend of Zelda is epic from its inception (first video game where you could save your progress) all the way through the franchise. (skyward sword kinda sucked however)",
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"text": "http://news.lib.uchicago.edu/.../videogame-collection.../\nVideogame collection supports scholarly study | The University of Chicago Library News\nnews.lib.uchicago.edu\nAfter several months of fascinating discussion about emerging interest in the academic study of videogames, I am overjoyed that the University of Chicago Library has acquired its first videogame collection, and that these games will soon be available for borrowing from the Mansueto Library. Why, som\u2026",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Michael Beitia, what is the \"work\" you are supposedly always also doing when on Facebook?",
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"text": "Things TAC should add to the program: Bonaventure, Scotus, Ockham, Luther, Calvin, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Goethe's Farbenlehre, Adolf Portmann...\nThings that should be cut: Driesch and his stupid e-factor, the SJC measurement manual, but NOT Spenser; The Faerie Queene is good stuff, and I would never have read it if it hadn't been in the program.\nThings they should not add: novels that everyone has read anyway, especially highly overrated novels like Gatsby.",
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"text": "You are doing a lot of adding and not much subtracting... The program is already pretty full.",
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"text": "I agree with what Joel HF said about putting all of first year lab in 1 semester. That frees up some pace, but not for \"Ockham, Luther, Calvin, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Goethe's Farbenlehre, Adolf Portmann...\"",
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"text": "Wait up, I'm not done. The encyclicals should be taken out of seminar, and some Papal and Conciliar teachings added to theology.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "^^This is starting to sound a little familiar.",
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"text": "We are in the Second Enlightenment of the Never Ending Thread.",
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"text": "But since there is not properly speaking before and after, only above and below, this can really be considered the same as the First Enlightenment.",
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"text": "Consequently, it should sound familiar.",
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"text": "Papal and Conciliar teachings=the M word. But you really should just have lectures about them, since laymen aren't qualified to really understand or discuss divine things.",
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"text": "I am not opposed to moving the Encyclicals to Theology. But I would not know what to move out of theology as is.",
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"text": "You could just have them in the last class of each semester, the way St Th.'s proemium to In Post. An. is done in the last class of Freshman Phil.",
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"text": "Oh look, it\u2019s the statement that Rome made Bautain sign:\n\u201cWe promise for now and forever: NEVER TO TEACH \u2026 3 that with reason alone one cannot have the science of principles or metaphysics, and the truths depending on it, as a science totally distinct from supernatural theology, which is founded on divine revelation\u2026\u201d",
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"text": "Pater, work!? It's what I get paid (poorly) for doing",
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"text": "and thanks for the reboot. I thought I killed it with a scholarly study of Zelda",
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"text": "On track for 4000.",
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"text": "Wasn't Heidegger added to the program? When I was there we had seminars at Ferrier's house and one in the Library with Father Sokolowski from CUA on a couple of his texts (maybe one at Hartmann,s too.... my memory fades)",
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"text": "Potter is epic indeed!!! (see edit: non -Potter fans only or you may need salts.)",
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"text": "I think \"What is Metaphysics\" should be added if it isn't already",
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"text": "\"What is magisterium?\" magisterially speaking of course.",
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"text": "GATSBY 4EVAH!",
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"text": "How about Moar Russan liderature?",
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"text": "*drinks White Russian*",
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"text": "*drinks another White Russian*",
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"text": "I think if there is more literature, surreality would be good. How about \"Invitation to a Beheading\" or \"The Trial\"",
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"text": "Does anyone ever get through the required Thomas at the end of Year to have time to add other stuff in there as well?",
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"text": "Megan Caughron - I just want to point out one big difference I see between live drama and film. It seems to me that film is a primarily visual medium, which is why one refers to its consumers as viewers. Theater, on the other hand, is primarily ordered to the ear, which is why one refers to those attending as an audience (audio, audire). You go watch a movie. You go hear a play.",
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"name": "Becca Cupo",
"text": "Are you all going to get together for a party and have a shot every time \"Sacred Theology\" is mentioned? I honestly don't have enough time to see if this has already been mentioned, but I really, really love this thread.",
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"text": "Isak that seems totally specious",
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"text": "well, not totally. Just *mostly* specious",
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"text": "Pater - although many have read Gatsby, few have read it properly. I can't blame you for referring to it as overrated, really, but I'd still defend it as a sacramental masterpiece. ",
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"text": "oh people, \"sacramental\" is not a term of literary criticism. When will you ever learn",
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"text": "Magisterium, magisterium, magisterium; repeat, repeat, repeat. whoops that was for Isak.",
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"text": "So it's right, but only superficially? Haha",
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"text": "And when the author himself uses the language of incarnation and holocaust, I think I'm justified in referring to it as sacramental. So there!",
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"text": "Isak, I do like Seamus Heaney. His translation of Beowulf was smooth. My concern about form and metre is that even the formless poets have some form. Their words fall into some form. The days of Pope's heroic couplets may be dead, they may not work today, but what is the form today?",
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"text": "I would add some Kafka (I know people have read it), The Cherry Orchard or the Seagull, and some lyric poetry of the English kind- Byron, Gray, etc., +Night and/or Ivan Denisovich. (But yeah, now I am getting too far ahead and not sure what is a *great* book at that point, but would like to incorporate how the suffering of Twentieth century is handled- it still being formative)",
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"text": "(speaking only of lit I would add)",
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"text": "I think American literature is great. It is curious though, that it does not rise to the level. In content. Mark Twain, Longfellow -- the last great American poet. None of them break out into epic greatness, which is curious. Because every great age has had poets that do this, and America is arguably the greatest nation ever. This may be because American greatness is about the little guy with unalienable rights fighting for freedom, and because America is built around eternal rights of the person. Other covilizations which housed the greater poets provided more societal data. Poets needs to become more spiritual in America before they will be able to connect the dots of liberty. Just a theory. But what form would that take?",
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"text": "There have been a series of great novellae throughout the ages that all have the same character with a similar plot; Kafka's Amerika; Sam Jonson's Rasselas; Evelyn Waugh's Ordeal of Gilbert Pinfold; Camu's L'Etranger; and Gunter Grass's Cat and Mouse; and Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby. The Novella is an interesting form. But again, no great American Novella. Just toss outs that end up in Time's Store of Used Books.",
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"text": "what about taking out Don Quixote? Unless someone else has already mentioned this. Also I don't see why we need two Freud seminars. I agree about adding Scotus and Bonaventure somewhere...",
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"text": "I'd also make a big ole push for Havel's the power of the powerless. But I just think that's a damn fine essay",
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"text": "Denzinger and Ott are two of the best poets.",
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"text": "we might as well say it, you could fix almost all the problems with pacing and cover \"everything\" if you just added a fifth year. yes, everything needed quotation marks.",
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"text": "FOR ISAK. Some lengthier consideration. Criticism is easier, but I'm not just criticizing. Below is a start on distinguishing truly great literature from the slop of recent vintage. Much more needs to be said.",
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"text": "To the question of what is \u201cgreat\u201d, and important question for a program that sometimes at least claims to be great books (at other times not). \nI believe Adler defines it as rereadable. Others as what time approves. If the latter, we can't call anything great but must leave it for the next age.\nBut are there any criteria by which we may judge? I don't agree entirely with the view of picking out those books that have developed our present culture. Not merely that at least, and ESPECIALLY so in literature (perhaps equally so in philosophy). Partly, the reason is that I regard the rise of modernity (in politics, philosophy, theology, and literature too) as a rejection of the ancients and the Church. Whereas Aquinas had the luxury (as well as Augustine) of picking out anything that was finely or rightly said by contemporary and ancient authors, we are now more involved in a war rather than a \u201cgreat discussion\u201d. Swift illustrates this in his intro to the Tale of Tub in one of my favorites \u201cThe Battle of the Books.\u201d He demonstrates this poetically which I think I can demonstrate in bits and pieces only.\nBut as to literature or poetry and what qualifies as great, here's a few problems for recent novels (and is true of most American novels and a lot of poetry). In fact I recommend Rip van Winkle which is my favorite short American story (and I just realized as a kid I had his nickname, perhaps a part of the grand divine irony). The most significant change in the revolution I see therein is the loss of leisure, without which the poetic arts suffer grievously. One thing poetry (good poetry that is though not necessarily great) does is hold a mirror up to society (another aim being to concretize truth or point to beauty \u2013 Fr. Chad Ripperberger has an excellent essay on this, I believe on his site http://www.sensustraditionis.org/ChristianArtCulture.pdf ). Poetry can be more helpful for this because prudential judgement and politics are based on the concrete. Since we have no experience of pre-Revolutionary America, the poet (often an excellent observer) can show us what we cannot see ourselves and so aid us in making generalizations and judgements. Before reading Michael D. O'Brien's book \u201cStrangers and Sojourners\u201d I had difficulty understanding what distributism was, but in that he showed it (a kind of side point of it). He presented facts that one doesn't do. Likewise, our love of Hamlet these days (a play derided and unliked until this century) is a mirror for what most ails us, and after many years I think I finally see the horror of that image. THAT is one measure of the good poet. Can he hold a mirror to society (as Tennyson does in \u201cUlysses\u201d which Eliot gives as an example of a perfect poem and I could write a few interesting comments on that too)? ANOTHER is \u201cis it beautiful?\u201d Does it direct us to love of the true? I see that in Dryden's ode to St. Cecilia. \nAnd the music is important especially in the later, because in odes (which are akin very much to hymns and even the same kind of thing really) we are attuned to the truly beautiful and truth itself. For this reason a poet like Tennyson is well worth studying. Even if his subject matter was less than worthy, his ear for the music of language is one of the best; in that he is amazing. The problem of much recent writing is the poet himself has lost the very purpose of poetry. These are just a couple considerations. The aim of tragedy/ comedy is more to hold up a mirror and by means of irony to point out the flaws as for correction. Thus Homer, I must say, is as ironic as Plato \u2013 indeed perhaps taught the Greeks that art. So many of his lines surpass anything written since like \u201cshe shed a light tear.\u201d Can one ever fail to smile at that? Does it lose its vigor? Is it not still true to this day? The irony of what Achilles does immediately after proclaiming his everlasting love for Briseis. But almost every line of Homer is full of such, like Agammenon \u201cleaning\u201d on his scepter. For irony, as Aristotle points out, is the humor of the wise man (and indeed he too is full of such). Anyways, something to consider.",
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"text": "For me how much I got out of the literature seminars came down to which tutor I had. Some tutors were able to make the works earth-shattering and incredible, while with others all I got out of it was what I got out of it by reading it. But I disagree that they are a waste of time.",
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"text": "I think both Don Q and W and P are elegantly situated to predict some of the questions that motivate the other texts. I found classes on them highly frustrating because, first of all, there were two each. Not like, say 5 or 6, on the earlier stuff (Illiad, Odyssey, Aeneid, DC). I also liked A(ll)S(chool)S(eminar) on Death of Ivan Ilych and Murder in the Cathedral. But seminars were also frustrating because people were all over the place.",
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"text": "Study literature as poetics, because it supports metaphysics and faith at the same time. Still a problem with the faithful being attracted towards the great secular literary writers, as the early Christian clergy were drawn towards the pagan philosophers. We need the light of the pagan philosophers, but also need the pull revelation.",
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"text": "Thomas Aquinas was a great poet. His metaphor, Christ is a merciful Pelican, a bestiary.\nAdoro te devote, latens Deitas,\nQu\u00e6 sub his figuris vere latitas;\nTibi se cor meum totum subjicit,\nQuia te contemplans totum deficit.\nVisus, tactus, gustus in te fallitur,\nSed auditu solo tuto creditur.\nCredo quidquid dixit Dei Filius;\nNil hoc verbo verit\u00e1tis verius.\nIn cruce latebat sola Deitas,\nAt hic latet simul et Humanitas,\nAmbo tamen credens atque confitens,\nPeto quod petivit latro p\u0153nitens.\nPlagas, sicut Thomas, non intueor:\nDeum tamen meum te confiteor.\nFac me tibi semper magis credere,\nIn te spem habere, te diligere.\nO memoriale mortis Domini!\nPanis vivus, vitam pr\u00e6stans homini!\nPr\u00e6sta me\u00e6 menti de te v\u00edvere,\nEt te illi semper dulce sapere.\nPie Pelicane, Jesu Domine,\nMe immundum munda tuo sanguine:\nCujus una stilla salvum facere\nTotum mundum quit ab omni scelere.\nJesu, quem velatum nunc aspicio,\nOro, fiat illud quod tam sitio:\nUt te revelata cernens facie,\nVisu sim be\u00e1tus tu\u00e6 glori\u00e6.",
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"text": "Yes! Don Q. is the perfect introduction/remedy to the authors read in junior seminar. And we also had really good All-schools on Murder in the Cathedral and Gunnar's Daughter, although again, mostly thanks to the tutors.",
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"text": "Sean Robertson: Goethe on color and Portmann would replace the Measurement manual. Heidegger and Wittgenstein would replace the magisterial texts in senior seminar. And Bonaventure, Scotus, Ockham, Luther, and Calvin could be included by having sophomore seminar twice a week.",
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"text": "Don Q is important because it precedes the modern English novel, and it is best of the Spanish in the tradition of the chivalric novel. It's part of a whole trend that lasted 400 years.",
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"text": "Once upon a time in a senior seminar long long ago, there was a girl who was so derailing in conversation that all the other students would only ignore her. She claimed that many of the texts were not worth the time. She coped by at first hiding Jane Austen novels behind her other book, but then grew so angry at the class's disregard that she read them openly, trying to draw attention to herself and holding the book upright on the table. That made reading literature (et al) frustrating....",
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"text": "^what Katie Duda said. Don Q needs at least 3 or 4 seminarrs if not more. There are some things that seem worth doing partially, but with a book like that... I'd rather take it out completely, which is why I suggested it. I know, it's a little defeatist of me.",
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"text": "Interesting. Although I'm not sure that there is room in the theology tutorial for those magisterial texts. Also, the chosen encyclicals generally are at least partially in response to the works read in senior seminar, so keeping them in there helps continuity in the class, I think. They should, however, move those texts individually to immediately follow the texts to which they relate most (Humani Generis after Darwin, Pascendi after Jung et al., etc.), instead of just throwing them in at the end.",
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"text": "And I wonder how possible it would be to have sophomores do two seminars a week. I think that might do more harm than good.",
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"text": "Has anyone looked at the metaphysical art and theory of Carl Schmitt? His grandchildren and great grandchildren have gone to Thomas Aquinas College. I studied art theory and criticism for about a decade, and I don't think I've read anything quite so on the money. I just wish he wrote more.\nHe basically says the artist imposes form on non-formal, and formal, unities in nature, and then shares this in the form of his work of art. This is aligned with orthodox mysticism of the East and Western Churches, avoids modern art heresies such as sacramentalism, and bridges the gap between the classical formalists and the present. It gets us around the wasteland. \nhttp://www.carlschmitt.org/\nCarl Schmitt\nwww.carlschmitt.org",
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"text": "You need a trained literary instructor. It took \"scholars\" 150 years to figure out what Pope was doing. But a good teacher can demonstrate that in 10 minutes. It is a balance of trust between the tutor and the student.",
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"text": "how about Suarez?",
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"text": "Edward Langley, no haha, that was John Schmitt. _Carl_ Schmitt was the brilliant, scary German Jurist who wrote Political Theology.",
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"text": "Edward, that was Carl Schmitt's son who taught at TAC and founded the Trivium. You may be related to him by marriage thrice removed. I just find it incredibly curious how Schmitt NAILED art theory, but TAC begins with Euclid and spends about one day on Poetics. Ne'er forget, Thomas Aquinas mastered the metaphor.",
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"text": "So Ed, are you jettisoning literature for more Philosophy and Theology at the seminar level?",
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"text": "I would, but I think too much more philosophy would dramatically increase burnout rates.\nAlso, Kierkegaard delenda est",
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"text": "why? Because phil/theo is superior, or because the classes on it are superior? or both?",
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"text": "With all due respect, I do not think anyone from Thomas Aquinas College understands the critical importance of a new art theory of realism. The founders and the tutors of the college could not explain the formal and material elements of metaphor and enthymeme if the world depended on it. The tutors force you to study logical syllogism for two months, but deny metaphor is a syllogism of beauty, and the enthymeme of the good. The curriculum is unable to deliver the transcendentals in a unified manner. So, there is no point reading literature. It undercuts what it sets out to do.",
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"text": "Both, literature analysis always feels like a waste of time to me.",
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"text": "\"Metaphor is a syllogism of beauty\" is a metaphor",
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"text": "\"\"metaphor is a syllogism of beauty\" is a blooming rose\" is a metaphor.",
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"text": "No, metaphor is a syllogism of beauty is literal. Woman is a rose is an example of a metaphor. But what is metaphor? Tom Kaiser couldn't tell you what a metaphor is.\nA metaphor is a syllogism that informs the imagination and leads to beauty.\nArt is reasonable.\nThe enthymeme is like this, but in relation to the will and to the good.\nThis is what Aristotle teaches in his poetics, politics, analytics and movement of animals.\nBut you do not teach any of this at TAC, so the whole thing undercuts itself.",
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"text": "here it comes:\nhttp://i279.photobucket.com/.../kk143/faeini1/agscary4.gif\ni279.photobucket.com\ni279.photobucket.com",
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"text": "It also undercuts the student, who thirsts for transcendental unity. This is because the human soul is one in imagination, reason and will.",
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"text": "I always considered \"invisalign braces\" to be trancendentistry",
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"text": "That reminds me, I have to call the ortho for my daughter. Thank you! \nHer teeth will be flocks of sheep, each one with its pair.",
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"text": "I assume by \"transcendental unity\" you mean good/true/beautiful, but you're assuming an awful lot when you say TAC doesn't understand poetics. \nAnd no, metaphor is not a syllogism, either regular or hypothetical...",
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"text": "You deny a lot of things in your ignorance and universally convert TAC with knowledge.\nMetaphor IS a kind of syllogism. It has a premise, with an implied major, leading to a reasonable conclusion by imagination. \nRose is beautiful (implied)\nWoman is rose (metaphor)\nWoman is beautiful (conclusio)\nEnthymeme is a kind of syllogism also. Aristotle states this in Rhetoric.\nYes, transcendtal unity means the spiritual unity of the beauty, good and true. Logical syllogism only leads to true. Metaphor to beauty; enthymeme to good. Intellect, imagination and heart (will) respectively.\nFor the record, Michael Betia, you just denied all this.\nBut this is what Aristotle and Thomas taught, as well as Cicero and many others; but you do not learn this at TAC because it was establish by reactionary logicalists.",
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"text": "AND THEY'RE OFF",
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"text": "See, your inner Linda Blair is coming out again. Your example above shows the metaphor to be the minor premise, which isn't a syllogism, unless you're speaking in synecdoche",
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"text": "synecdoche isn't syllogism either",
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"text": "Both metaphor and enthymeme are a kind of syllogism, as the Philosopher states, just as \"African\" is a kind of man. \"The enthymeme is a kind of syllogism\" (Rhetoric Bk 1) with an implied major, as is the metaphor, each leading to reasonable conclusions in imagination and will (toward the good), respectively.\nAgain, you are not competent on this issue. You are like someone denying that Micky Mantle was a baseball player. \nFWIW, the form of the syllogism is the same form as transcendental unity, with each form corresponding with the various parts of the one human soul (reason, imagination and will).",
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"text": "May I confirm that pb is trying to distinguish himself as a master of tropes, Michael?",
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"text": "maybe he should quote the whole passage\nt is clear, then, that rhetorical study, in its strict sense, is concerned with the modes of persuasion. Persuasion is clearly a sort of demonstration, since we are most fully persuaded when we consider a thing to have been demonstrated. The orator's demonstration is an enthymeme, and this is, in general, the most effective of the modes of persuasion. The enthymeme is a sort of syllogism, and the consideration of syllogisms of all kinds, without distinction, is the business of dialectic, either of dialectic as a whole or of one of its branches. It follows plainly, therefore, that he who is best able to see how and from what elements a syllogism is produced will also be best skilled in the enthymeme, when he has further learnt what its subject-matter is and in what respects it differs from the syllogism of strict logic.",
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"text": "Synechdoche is just when you take a part of something and use it to stand for the whole, and it has nothing to do with this. I think you just throw it in there to try to sound intelligent, like Langley, which is ashame, because you are both intelligent; but you fail to admit what you do not know, and deny truths which are obvious, such as a thing is defined by its form, metaphor and enthymeme have the form of a syllogism, which is why the Philosopher defines them as a kind of syllogism.",
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"text": "Um, Mr. Not-the-Seraphic-Doctor, we TACers who read the Analytics and the Poetics and the Rhetoric remember passages like this which show that metaphor is not a syllogism but a way of using the name of one thing to signify another.",
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"text": "\"Metaphor is the application of an alien name by transference either from genus to species, or from species to genus, or from species to species, or by analogy, that is, proportion. Thus from genus to species, as: 'There lies my ship'; for lying at anchor is a species of lying. From species to genus, as: 'Verily ten thousand noble deeds hath Odysseus wrought'; for ten thousand is a species of large number, and is here used for a large number generally. From species to species, as: 'With blade of bronze drew away the life,' and 'Cleft the water with the vessel of unyielding bronze.' Here arusai, 'to draw away' is used for tamein, 'to cleave,' and tamein, again for arusai- each being a species of taking away. Analogy or proportion is when the second term is to the first as the fourth to the third. We may then use the fourth for the second, or the second for the fourth. Sometimes too we qualify the metaphor by adding the term to which the proper word is relative. Thus the cup is to Dionysus as the shield to Ares. The cup may, therefore, be called 'the shield of Dionysus,' and the shield 'the cup of Ares.' Or, again, as old age is to life, so is evening to day. Evening may therefore be called, 'the old age of the day,' and old age, 'the evening of life,' or, in the phrase of Empedocles, 'life's setting sun.' For some of the terms of the proportion there is at times no word in existence; still the metaphor may be used. For instance, to scatter seed is called sowing: but the action of the sun in scattering his rays is nameless. Still this process bears to the sun the same relation as sowing to the seed. Hence the expression of the poet 'sowing the god-created light.' There is another way in which this kind of metaphor may be employed. We may apply an alien term, and then deny of that term one of its proper attributes; as if we were to call the shield, not 'the cup of Ares,' but 'the wineless cup'. \"",
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"text": "IT DIFFERS FROM THE SYLLOGISM OF STRICT LOGIC (emphasis added)",
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"text": "I wonder if you know what I just quoted from.",
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"text": "lol. of course everything mr. beitia learned about aristotle he learned at tac",
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"text": "bwahahahaha how you doing, former roommate?",
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"text": "pretty good!",
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"text": "How's the fam?",
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"text": "big and happy. When are you coming up north?",
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"text": "unfortunately, school does restrict my wandering a bit",
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"text": "as does the fam mine",
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"text": "yes indeed. and I know you love Irving.",
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"text": "It's one thing to read, another to understand, another to know what you do not know, and another to need to look like the smartest guy in the room.",
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"text": "\"Love Irving?\" that's hyperbole",
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"text": "well, maybe...",
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"text": "Metaphor has also been described as analogy of inverse proportion, by how it predicates the attributes of one thing to another by imagination, and uses the form of a syllogism, as does the enthymeme.",
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"text": "recapitulate, restate\nunlisten",
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"text": "I am beginning to suspect that Perigrine is on the payroll of TAC to draw students away from Christendom.",
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"text": "the man can derail a conversation as fast as he can start one.",
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"text": "It's charming how TAC denies truth outside the range of its ideology.\nPeter is a rock.\nDoes this mean Peter is a lifeless mass of compressed minerals?\nImplied major premise: All rock is solid and a good foundation.\nMetaphor: Peter is a rock\nConclusion: Peter is a solid foundation\nMetaphor is a kind of syllogism (Aristotle, Thomas, Cicero, Boethius, John Donne...)\n***\nEnthymeme is a kind of truncated syllogism. Cicero's epichyreme is also a kind of multipremised emthymeme.\n(Implied) The virtuous leader opposes tyranny\n(Implied) Political walls restrain with tyranny\n(Enthymeme) Mr. Gorbachov, tear down that wall",
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"text": "No, Peregrine, metaphor is a species of equivocation.",
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"text": "You derailed it.\nAnd it was never a conversation. It's an ideological polemic launched by a sycophant under the guise of truth, taking the names of Thomas and Aristotle and the Catholic Faith in vain.",
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"text": "It goes like this:\n- Equivocation\n-- Equivocation by chance\n-- Equivocation by design\n--- Metaphor, in which the intended meaning is not a meaning of the word\n--- Analogy, in which the intended meaning is a meaning of the word",
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"text": "There may be a quasi-syllogistic process that justifies a metaphor, but metaphor is not, of itself, an argument.",
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"text": "Then why does it have the form of a syllogism, mr. smarty-pants?",
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"text": "\"Metaphor is the application of an alien name by transference either from genus to species, or from species to genus, or from species to species, or by analogy, that is, proportion\"\nAristotle's definition and division of metaphor",
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"text": "No one said it was an argument, mt straw man smarty-pants. It's a reasonable play on imagination in the form of a syllogism.",
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"text": "It's also a word people who are trying to sound \"like the smartest guy in the room\" use.",
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"text": "That's the anology by inverse proportion definition. And how come you won't answer the question. If metaphor and enthymeme are not a kind of syllogism, why do they take the form of a syllogism.",
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"text": "I admit enthymeme is a syllogism, that is an argument.\nI deny that metaphor is.",
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"text": "Syllogism is a form.",
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"text": "Metaphor is a reasonable appeal to the imagination, enthymeme to the will. This is why they have the same reasonable form as syllogism.\nYou're just in denial because this was not in your indocrination.",
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"text": "The reasonableness in form is a cause of transcentental unity.",
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"text": "You're just asserting the things your teachers told you to assert.",
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"text": "... unity between truth, beauty and goodness, in a rational soul comprised of imagination, will and intellect.",
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"text": "My teachers were the Great Books. They did not force me to drink Kool-Aid.",
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"text": "What does metaphor mean in Greek, Herr Langley? Beyond something, right?",
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"text": "how, how, o how can one call a metaphor a syllogism? Perhaps we need to start at the beginning. What is a noun for pb?",
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"text": "Why don't you answer the question, Herr Langley?\nWhy does a metaphor and an enthymeme have the same form as a rational syllogism?",
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"text": "That is not an answer. It is a false denial. It is self- evident they have the same form.\nIf the metaphor and enthymeme are not both kinds of syllogism, then why do they both have the same form?",
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"text": "No, Herr Langley, the predication is carried across. Learn your grammar. The predicate attribute of the implied major is carried across to the metaphor, which leads to a reasonable act of the imagination.",
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"text": "Ha! Just kidding. I was just seeing if you were awake. The subject of the major premise is carried into the position of the predicate of the metaphor, the minor premise, to carry the predicate in the major premise, across to the reasonable act of the imagination. \nNow could you please write that on the board 50 times.",
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"text": "They do, Philip, the enthymeme has an implied major premise. It leads to a reasonable act of the will toward the good. \nAll good men desire good. (Implied maxim)\nMilk is good for you. (Enthymeme)",
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"text": "They have the same form. All three depend on two premises and a middle term. The form carries over something new. \nThe form is the same. The content is different. The content of the entymeme is moral. The content of the metaphor is imaginary.",
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"text": "I thought aristotle says that enthymeme is an argument based signs and his example from the prior analytics is something like you can guess that a philosophers are wise from the fact that socrates was both. it might also be true that one is implied, and typically is which is why in the rhetoric aristotle gives that as a description of the enthymeme.",
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"text": "I would submit to the jury, that if the metaphor did not take the same form as a syllogism, then \"Beatrice is a rose\" is nothing more than a false premise. For clearly, Beatrice is not a rose. \nHATH BEATRICE THORN? HATH HER LEAFETH?!!",
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"text": "his other example from the prior analytics is something about lactating mammals being pregnant, which doesn't sound like a \"moral\" example very much. I think there's often confusion about this because enthymeme is so typical in rhetoric one tends to forget it in other places.",
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"text": "Nay!!! Beatrice hath no thorn!\nHence, I would submit, the metaphor is more than a single premise, a false claim. No, there is an implied premise, which is the form of syllogism.",
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"text": "Plus it is very hidden. Even in political speech. The implied major premise is often the content of much of the speech, the kairos, as it were, the forming the connection with the audience. The enthymeme is the punch line. Having connected with the multitude, you then move them where you want them to go. But it only really works when its moral, or when all good men lose their voices.",
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"text": "and in metaphors, which are improper speech, don't you have to take into account the meaning of the speaker which custom or context supply?",
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"text": "an observation: the perplexities in this debatable debate on metaphors is analogous the \"debate\" on fundamentals of theology.",
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"text": "not if by enthymeme you mean \"argument proceeding from signs or likelihoods\" as aristotle does. Signs and likelihoods do not attain perfect universality which is why enthymemes are not syllogisms. the dici de omni and dici de nullo do not apply to enthymemes, but these are the principes of the syllogism.",
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"text": "rhetorical appeal has a time and a place to take the forefront. actually, though, isn't rhetoric present in all the sciences to some extent because ethics is a universal knowledge in the sense that everything we do (including knowing) has a bearing on our happiness. thoughts anyone?",
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"text": "i am not clear what you were asking above, Philip. The need for rhetoric depends on the audience entirely. If the listener cannot or wont follow syllogistic argument, it should be used. Of course poetry is often rhetorical. Though here's a question: is Aquinas' poetry rhetorical?",
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"text": "well, I guess I was thinking about the emotional and authoritative means of persuasion--their presence everywhere is pretty suprising, though true. Also, I wouldn't identify enthymeme and rhetoric. Enthymeme is use all over the strictly philosophical disciplines as, for example, when aristotle confirms the immateriality of the soul by its increase in strength after knowing a very intelligible object.",
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"text": "that fact is true of imagination and memory too, so the conclusion does not follow of necessity. enthymeme tends to get classed as solely rhetorical, I think, because the contingent subject matter of politics lends itself to this weaker form of argument; this and the argument called \"example\"",
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"text": "Philip, i agree with what you say except maybe about examples. As described in the rhetoric, they are more improbable than probable. But i still don't understand your initial question.",
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"text": "you argue by example when you recommend a restaurant that you ate at last thursday. it was good for me, so it'll probably be good for you too.",
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"text": "do we not use rhetoric even in, say metaphysics, which is a purely speculative science? and if so, what justifies this? I proposed an answer, but I haven't run it by any wise men yet for confirmation, so I figured I should take the opportunity while you guys are all here and talking about more or less related stuff.",
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"text": "regarding speaches on future actions, that is true and one cause for democracies trending toward tyranny. (The need for enthymeme, philip)",
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"text": "regarding enthymeme in metaphysics, does Aquinus use it?",
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"text": "I agree Philip, the enthymeme needs to be cross-references with the treatise on valid and invalid syllogisms in the Analytics, for immoral persuasion relies on a flawed implied premise, as an imperfect syllogism relies on a flawed explicit premise.\nBut the book of Rhetoric introduces the enthymeme by name as a kind of truncated syllogism, the major premise of which is implied. \nThen something very fantastical happens. In On the Motion of Animals, or in the book which goes by that name, the enthymeme is described in a metaphor of the joint in the leg of an animal: the implied major is like the lower part of the limb, the minor explicit term is like the upper part of the limb, and when the two terms align around the middle joint, the leg straightens out, causing the animal to spring. The conclusion is the act. The implied major sits firm on an immovable rock, which is an ethical edifice, or an uncaused cause.",
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"text": "We use rhetoric, metaphor and logic altogether in metaphysics. We must, because man knows with his soul, which is all of reason, will and imagination together. The sapiential philosophies use all three. In fides et ratio, and lumen fidei, for instance, when writing in the form of a sapiential philosophy, we see the pope write in enthymeme, metaphor and syllogism all at the same time.\nI would be happy to send you a few examples in a bit. We went over this a bit in a previous discussion with Ferrier.",
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"text": "I don't understand. Does the holy father make one argument to be an enthymeme, syllogism, and metaphor all at the same time?",
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"text": "As to your earlier comment, I still maintain that you are giving a typical characteristic of an enthymeme as a definition of it. the text from the parts of animals is an illustration of that typical attribute.",
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"text": "Philip are you talking to pb? I guess i will restate my question to your question: do you think Aquinus uses rhetoric in metaphysics? I have certainly seen Aristotle use rhetoric in his work but have not read his meta. in a long time.",
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"text": "what about this: do you think that enthymeme is a species of syllogism? what are all the species of syllogism? if it isn't a species, why do you include it syllogism in the definition as the genus? and if it is a species, why do you divide the species against the genus when you listed enthymeme, syllogism, and metaphor all together?",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger: yes I was. and yes, probably. why can't you see Mr. Bonaventure?",
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"text": "he blocked me before. I am anathema to pope pb, i presume, because i compared the CCC to the catechism of Trent on another thread.",
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"text": "i am not TAC. Which adds to the irony. And i had come to his defence.",
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"text": "well, back to our calm and dispassionate discussion: I was thinking that were you or I to write a paper on a metaphysical topic, we would for sure pay attention to rhetorical details. why is that? I suggested that it was because our will and emotions can help or hinder our intellectual endeavors, so we must take that aspect of the reader into account.",
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"text": "do you think Thomas did this?",
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"text": "aslo, maybe we could say that rhetoric moves the will (and emotions) of the audience, but through the mediation of the imagination; hence good writing makes parallel scentence structure for parallel ideas and uses repetition and so on. well, the intellect is also moved by the imagination in a certain way, so to the extent that it is, the way you order your imaginings matters. but this managed by rhetoric. therfore.",
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"text": "he will often pull this trick. he'll support the major premise of an article's main syllogism above it, and he'll support the minor premise of an article's main syllogism below it, so that the two premises of the main syllogism are placed right next to each other at the center of the corpus--a rhetorical stroke of genius.",
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"text": "The Pope in his encyclical uses the metaphor, the enthymeme and the syllogism all at the same time, in the same sentence and paragraph. Then he uses the conclusion thereof and does it again, introducing established principles of sacred theology, to shed new light of Faith.",
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"text": "that seems impossible to me. but you never answered my series of questions above. what is your solution to the difficulties?",
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"text": "once you solve those, I would like to see your analysis of the proposed argument which is at once a metaphor, a syllogism, and an enthymeme. I think it is possible to appeal to the whole person, by the way, without this three arguments in one business.",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger: which is the art that teaches the rules of how todo that if not rhetoric?",
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"text": "and yes, to Mr. Bonaventure.",
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"text": "I agree. But that is not employment of ethos, pathos, or ethymeme. Certainly, I agree that any writer, even the best, will take into consideration the reader or audience. Thus, it is true that the art of rhetoric should be employed in all writing or speaking (the contrary of which I stated above).",
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"text": "Mr. Bonaventure: you seem intent on the correspondence of metaphor to imagination, rhetoric to heart, and logic to reason. But there are a number of difficulties in this. First, the soul of a rhetorical argument, says aristotle, is the logos, the appeal to reason, and the pathos and the ethos are subservient to this in good rhetoric and override it in bad rhetoric. Further, rhetoric moves the imagination too, as for example the parallel structures, groupings of threes, etc. these move and delight our imaginations first, and through our imaginations move our wills and emotions. Also, your division is unclear because, logic includes rhetoric and poetry as is clear from St. Thomas's proemium to the posterior analytics. Again, if we were to choose between imagination and heart to pair poetry with, isn't heart the natural choice? tragedy, for example, is defined by the emotions of pity and fear; the heart enters the very definitions of the species of poetry.",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger: the structure, cadence, etc. of speech moves us for sure; though you've got a great point. it doesn't fit well into any of the traditional means of persuasion. I wonder where aristotle put these considerations.",
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"text": "Rhetoric is the \"art of persuasion according to the available means\" (Aristotle, de rhetorica). People are persuaded in three ways: by an appeal to the reason (via logic, and the enthymeme has been called the \"rhetorical syllogism), the emotions (including anger, pity, etc.), and \"ethos\" (trust in the speaker's good will, good sense, and good character). Rhetoric is not philosophy, but the good rhetorician knows his philosophy. Rhetoric is the great civic art. And while rhetoric may involve poetry, and poetry may be rhetorical, they are too different things. The aim of poetry is beauty; the aim of rhetoric is persuasion. The aim of logic is demonstration.",
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"text": "That's not me, btw. That's just plain ol' Rhet 101. I think people are making things way harder and more complicated than they are, or need to be.",
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"text": "But the aim of poetry is various and employs more or less rhetoric both as to the aim, and depending what kind it is (such as a Platonic dialogue or a tragedy or comedy).",
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"text": "The aim of poetry as such as beauty. When it's aim is to persuade, it becomes rhetoric. Poetic rhetoric, but rhetoric.",
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"text": "And let's be clear: I mean rhetoric as in the whole shebang discipline. Not just \"schemes and tropes.\" Just clarifying. (That was a Middle Ages / Renaissance corruption.)",
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"text": "Over and out.",
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"text": "Some poetry is praise, other poetry can be declamation (satire). It is not all one thing. What is the end of tragedy? (And the Middle ages and Renaissance thought it was much more than that -- it is more of late 19th century corruption).",
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"text": "Well, Mr. Bonaventure I will wait for your answers to my questions. Please don't leave me hanging.",
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"text": "Megan, does Plato employ rhetoric in his dialogues which are philosophical but at the same time unmetered poetry of a kind (which seems to fall under Aristotle's divisions: remember too, he says poetry employs rhetoric)?",
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"text": "And the three cannot be separated; they go together because the soul is one. And the good, true and beautiful can only be fully attained in unity, and each appeals to these parts of the soul. Logic syllogism reason true. Poetry metaphor imagination beauty. Rhetoric enthymeme will good. They all have the same form. Different matter.\nThere is such as think as a poetic or rhetorical demonstration.",
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"text": "this is truly astonishing to me. I have never heard anyone else claim this. Are there any prominent thinkers such as St. Thomas or Aristotle who think this is the case? or do they in fact hold otherwise? besides, you are still refusing to answer my questions.",
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"text": "Honestly Megan Caughron, have you studied Rhetoric at more than the freshman level of college?",
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"text": "i am beginning to suspect that you can't...",
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"text": "Sorry, what was your question, Phillip. I have been coming and going?",
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"text": "there was a list of them. I can copy and paste them if you want, or you could just read back up a few comments. they were about the relation of enthymeme to syllogism.",
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"text": "here you go: what about this: what are all the species of syllogism? do you think that enthymeme is one of the species of syllogism? if it isn't a species, why do you include it syllogism in the definition as the genus? and if it is a species, why do you divide the species against the genus when you listed enthymeme, syllogism, and metaphor all together? you would never make a list of isosceles, equilateral, scalene, and triangle!",
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"text": "and here are the objections to the proposed division of metaphor, enthymeme, and syllogism and the corresponding powers of the soul: you seem intent on the correspondence of metaphor to imagination, rhetoric to heart, and logic to reason. But there are a number of difficulties in this. First, the soul of a rhetorical argument, says aristotle, is the logos, the appeal to reason, and the pathos and the ethos are subservient to this in good rhetoric and override it in bad rhetoric. Further, rhetoric moves the imagination too, as for example the parallel structures, groupings of threes, etc. these move and delight our imaginations first, and through our imaginations move our wills and emotions. Also, your division is unclear because, logic includes rhetoric and poetry as is clear from St. Thomas's proemium to the posterior analytics. Again, if we were to choose between imagination and heart to pair poetry with, isn't heart the natural choice? tragedy, for example, is defined by the emotions of pity and fear; the heart enters the very definitions of the species of poetry.",
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"text": "Plato is a funny case. He is a philosopher who uses rhetoric and is rendered poetically (in form). But saying we \"use rhetoric\" when we communicate is not a big deal. Saying a poet \"uses rhetoric\" is like saying a dancer \"uses work.\" Incidentally, the reason it's important to separate rhet from philosophy is because rhet conceives language as power. Severing language from truth would be the risk (hence Plato's concern about rhetoric, and the modern fascination with it). Side-note: poetry used as rhetoric has a name, and that name is propaganda.",
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"text": "Im just throwing this out there in case someone finds it clarifying. If you dont....*airy wave of hand*.",
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"text": "Megan, I apologize for the lack of manners from Mr. Bonaventure.",
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"text": "Aw thanks, Mr Knuffke! Nice of you to say thay.",
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"text": "Logos is the first form of rhetoric which links it to logic and syllogism. By definition, it is the art of getting someone to DO something, so its aim is the will/heart. Logos informs the art with morality and reasonability.\nPoetry leads to beauty, as Megan points out, the aim of poetry is the beautiful. The form of poetry is the metaphor, which is informed by the Logos again, in the form of syllogism. For metaphor requires an implied premise as well as the metaphor itself.\nBeauty is first an appeal to the imagination. Beauty becomes more than a gazing when it is joined with truth and goodness. Unless this happens, beauty turns ugly.\nThese three things go together. If they fall apart, the good and true become ugly. Having the same form keeps them together.\nLogos is the first form of all three.\nPlato is a good example, as Megan points out. They all go together, so people mistake him sometimes for a poet, sometimes for a philosopher.",
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"text": "ok, since you deal with rhetoric first, would you mind answering my questions about enthymeme and syllogism? Everyone agrees that enthymeme is present in rhetoric, but i think the claim that syllogism is there is controversial.",
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"text": "then we can have a conversation about how metaphors are arguments and whether or not they also are syllogisms or imply syllogisms. I think that is even more controversial.",
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"text": "what if we begin with this question: you say an enthymeme is a syllogism with a premise implied--well, are you saying that the enthymeme is a kind of syllogism, a species of syllogism? If so, would you mind listing all of them and we can examine by what they are distinguished the one from the other. This would, I think, clarify our discussion immensely. As Plato teaches us in the Protagoras: no more long speeches, just dialectical questioning and answering.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Firstly, Aristotle states that enthymeme is a kind of syllogism. Langley agrees. Aristotle describes it is a truncated syllogism with an implied premise.\nOK so far?",
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"text": "well, where does he say that?",
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"text": "I wonder if it might be best to say that syllogism there is meant equivocally, meaning \"argument proceeding from general truths\" or something like that. In this case, though, the truths aren't completely universal--they're signs and likelihoods as is taught in the formal treatise on arguments, the prior analytics. what say you, reasonable?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Megan, i am not going to fight you, except one thing. For Aristotle, rhetoric includes more than you admit. Preaching is a part of the art of rhetoric. Persuation is not merely aimless power. It includes convincing others of truth and convicting them of sin orally or by writing.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Rhetoric Bk. II.\nWell, argument proceeding from general truths is dialectic. This is what Aristotle's Topics is about. This is the form that Thomas uses in the Summa. This relies on the form of logical syllogism. He also incorporates dogma. \nRhetoric is the counterpart to this. If all good men desire good things, and milk is good for you, then it is reasonable to drink milk.\nThe enthymeme is Milk is good for you.\nIt is reasonable because it is in the form of logos. It is a kind of syllogism. Same form as a logical syllogism, different matter. Different matter because deals with those political things other than philosophy and revelation that cannot be demonstrated with certainty, but cleaved to because they are good and desirable, or it can be used to persuade someone to do something good that is in keeping with a golden rule.",
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"text": "Mr. Bonaventure, what if I proceed more directly agianst your position like this: the fact that you state in spoken words the full two premises of an argument is utterly accidental to the reasoning that goes on in your mind, and therefore that fact cannot be a specific difference of any species of syllogism. I tried to give an account of what syllogism might mean there, but it seems absurd to say that it means the same as when said of, say, the demonstrative syllogism.",
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"text": "Even more fundamentally, the the two axioms, if you will, of the third act of reason, which are the foundation of the syllogism (the dici de omni and dici de nullo) cannot apply to the contingent truths about which rhetoric deals. You simply cannot make those kinds of statements about human behavior. Try to make a syllogism the conclusion of which is the US should go to war.",
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"text": "Because for you to have certain knowledge, where the conclusion is absolutely certain, you need two explicit premises and a middle term.",
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"text": "Just as if you want to jump from A to B, you need a limb with two parts and a joint in it.",
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"text": "I maintain that the certitude of the conclusion is caused by two CERTAIN premises which it so happens usually must be stated, though not always. Anyone with experience of Euclid's Elements has made not only syllogisms, but demonstrative syllogisms so fast that they could not state in words at the pace with which their minds were drawing necessary conclusions.",
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"text": "You need two, in other words, so that you know the cause on which the new knowledge depends. The conclusion is the new knowledge. It is derived from the major premise through a middle term to the minor premise. Metaphor and syllogism do the same thing, only premises are implied.",
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"name": "Philip D. Knuffke",
"text": "have you studied the Elements of Euclid?",
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"text": "you always need to premises, the question is whether you need to explicitly state them out loud, no?",
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"text": "Yes, I have seen these fast thinkers. I myself was not one of them.",
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"text": "I'd like to correct something I said a bit ago. It isn't the certitude of the premises that cause an argument to be a syllogism, it is the universality of one of them, that is the real cause for the conclusion following of necessity. Whether or not the conclusion is itself necessarily true depends on the certitude of the premises. The enthymeme proceeds from premises that are general but not universal, and therefore the conclusion does not follow of necessity. The dialectical syllogism proceeds from universal truths but only probable ones, so the conlusion necessarily follows, but is only probable or likely. The demonstrtative syllogism proceeds from universal certain truths so its conclusion necessarily follows and is necessarily true. What do you think of my division?",
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"text": "We can continue this later--I need to sleep. Good night!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "aah you let him off the hook",
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"text": "Yes, and I think that's right. I think for scientific knowledge, you just need to see two premises and a middle and a conclusion in your mind. You do not need to speak it, unless you are demonstrating a scientific proof to another.\nThe unstated premise of the enthymeme is not known to be universally true. It is just a maxim that is politically accepted by a majority. You do not want to say it as a premise, because you are not trying to get someone to agree that something is universally true, you are just trying to move someone to do something. Instead of stating a major premise, you want to build ethos.\nWith a metaphor, you definitely do not want to state the major premise, because it is not an appeal to the real but the imaginary through an analogy of inverse predication.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^so is this a complete waffle from the before position?^",
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"text": "John Ruplinger - you are entirely right, and I don't know what I said to make you think I would disagree w that statement. Rhetoric is powerful and practical, and can be used for evil and should be used for good. Sigh. I thought that was obvious....",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Wow...I just have one observation, per Aquinas. We can divide logic into two parts, one reason insofar as it is an act of understanding, and this is twofold. One is the act of simple apprehension, which is dealt with in the Predicaments (Categories). The other is that of judgment, which is treated in Peri Hermenias (de Interpretatione)\nThe other part is reason insofar as it proceeds from one thing to another, and this can be divided into three. The first is when reason proceeds, with logical necessity, to new truth with certitude, and this is called judicative or analytical logic. And this is divided into two, one is formal logic, i.e. the syllogism which is dealt with in the Prior analytics. The other is material logic, which deals with the soundness of premises, and this in the Posterior Analytics.\nSecondly, reason may be led to an affirmation by probability, and this is \"inventive logic\" which can be divided into three parts. Faith and opinion is when reason is totally inclined to one part of a contradiction, although \"with fear of the other\" (formidine alterius), and this is treated by the Topics.\nSecondly, there is suspicion when reason is inclined to one side, but not totally. And this is treated by the Rhetoric.\nIn estimation the mind is inclined to some part of a contradiction because of some beautiful aspect or representation, and the Poetics treat of this.\nLastly reason may be led to error, and this is treated in the Sophistical Refutations.\nThe difference between poetry and rhetoric is this, rhetoric still involves a form of illative reasoning, albeit incomplete, but poetry does not elucidate an argument formally, but rather gives an inclination through attraction, by its beauty. \nYou are all very welcome (I recently reread Aquinas' commentaries on the Peri hermenias and Posterior analytics)",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Joshua for Pope",
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"text": "however, appeal to authority is the weakest form of argument, according to Boethius....",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Did anyone mention surpassing 3500? I'm really grateful this conversation is still going strong. I feel like someone should be assigning readings to accompany the Neverending seminar.",
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"text": "Also, for the Orator, it is often inopportune to state a major premise. The threat of an enemy can sometimes not be stated to a civilised audience. It is however imperative that majority support be formed. So a variety of means may be employed. One may persuaded to vote for a leader because he sees it as a way out of economic hardship, but the hidden premise may be that a change of party is needed for national security.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'll make the case for taking out some philosophy from Senior seminar. Hegel. The philosophy of history sets itself up nicely for Feuerbach and thence Marx, but Phenomenology of Spirit is too dense to be treated in such a short time.",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "i think you're right Michael Beitia - we should probably read Hegel more slowly - as an extra 2 credit hour course....",
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"text": "I didn't write my thesis on Hegel, but some years ago I did make a Hegelian facebook album, illustrated with TACers and unicycles. \nhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=8717309355&set=a.8717104355.14543.506859355&type=3&theater\nRoy and Pat Ride a Unicycle\nOne self-consciousness realizes the other self-consciousness has a unicycle... \nSelf-consciousness has before it another self-consciousness; it has come outside itself. This has a double significance. First it has lost its own self, since it finds itself as an other being; secondly, it has thereby sublated that other, for it does not regard the other as essentially real, but sees its own self in the other.\nIt will, in the first place, present the aspect of the disparity of the two, or the break-up of the middle term into the extremes, which, qua extremes, are opposed to one another, and of which one is merely recognized, while the other only recognizes.\nWith commentary by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel\nBy: Catherine Ryland",
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"text": "I'm indifferent about the waffles. But I get these weird craving for the tamales they used to serve, of ALL things - !",
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"text": "so, how about electives? An idea whose time has come.",
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"text": "One of the best things about the program was that you could talk to anyone about anything you were taking.",
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"text": "Megan has already voted for the Taoteching",
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"text": "Popping in with a new look.",
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"text": ". . . and off to Rosary",
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"text": "Um, the Analects and the Mencius... and at least one Chinese historical work.",
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"text": "Hmm....I think I could structure my 10 years toward a PhD....4, 2 and 4... but what would be the degree? Philosophy?",
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"text": "\"Truth\"",
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"text": "A Ph.D. in Liberal Arts . . . I'm sure that'd be employable",
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"text": "I was looking in the Notre Dame course catalog once and that was the name of one of the classes.",
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"text": "I suggest starting a grad school or institute in Pittsburgh, and then we can steal Dr Wiker and Dr Sanford (who has Plato and Aristotle literally memorized in Greek, line by line) from Steubenville part time.",
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"text": "it was the definition of a facepalm",
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"text": "But, at CUA, a Ph.D. implies seven years of coursework + masters thesis/dissertation. So I doubt anyone would do a 10 year program.",
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"text": "but Nina don't you worry that the Chinese would just get a straw man reading for the sake of dismissing them",
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"text": "(seven years: 4 at TAC, 3 at CUA)",
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"text": "I mean, Hegel is European and he doesnt exactly get a fair reading usually there",
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"text": "I doubt you could dismiss them once you actually read them",
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"text": "The \"actually read\" is often the problem.",
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"text": "I have only just started really getting into it but I find Confucianism fascinating.",
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"text": "Dual Ph.Ds...maybe a Ph.D and an STL.....",
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"text": "Mr Berquist once told me that he thought that Chinese philosophy ws sententious",
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"text": "well, yeah. it's written in a totally different style.",
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"text": "btw there is a wonderful book which reads Aristotle in comparison with Song Neo-Confucianism, called \"Aristotle's Man\" by SRL Clark. I highly recommend it",
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"text": "I think it might already be on my list, haha.",
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"text": "I read Hegel...I remember the moment something clicked and understanding of him came....it shocked me and I threw the book against the wall, behind my couch....not what I understood, but only I was startled by the click of reason...wasn't expecting to understand a word...maybe that is part of the issue, he is sort of written off as unreadable before we read him...",
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"text": "That would probably be giving math and science short shrift.\nHow about a series of Ph.Ds\n1. Math\n2. Biology\n3. Chemistry\n4. Physics\n5. Philosophy (i.e. Metaphysics)\n6. Theology\nIT could be called \"The Eternal Student Program\"",
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"text": "I am starting with this for context and ideas for further reading http://www.amazon.com/Sources-Chinese.../dp/0231109393\nSources of Chinese Tradition, Vol. 1\nwww.amazon.com\nA collection of seminal primary readings on the social, intellectual, and religious traditions of China, Sources of Chinese Tradition, Volume 1 has been widely used and praised for almost forty years as an authoritative resource for scholars and students and as a thorough and engaging introductio...",
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"text": "when I first visited TAC aeons ago, the guy I stayed with had Hegel on his desk and I asked him about it (I was going to be impressed that TAC read Hegel) and he said, \"oh no, dont worry, no one has to read him\"",
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"text": "\"The only program where you get the pleasure of writing six dissertations\"",
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"text": "I found Hegel sort of poetic rather than philosophical. But maybe that was my imagination.",
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"text": "Nina, I've been studying Chinese philosophy for about 15 years now (and learning classical Chinese) pm me if you need recommendations",
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"text": "Oh wow that's awesome! I definitely have questions about where to get started with classical Chinese.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, why don't we just start a Catholic commune while we are at it...come, educate, get degrees, and also, teach, and procreate, and go to Church...it would be like \u00fcber TAC...after all 6 PhD's! Not enough...what about Canon law",
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"text": "Publish, Pontificate, Procreate or Perish.",
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"text": "Wow, I just had a very frightening image.....\n...anyhow, switching gears (post padding mostly), Mr. Escalante you and I should discuss this (unknown to me) delving into the East sometime....when I am not so broke I would end up stranded halfway on the way to Berkeley. I have been reading some of the Upanishads recently, thought of reading Gong Sun Long Zi, but didn't find it in English. It brings back certain pleasant memories with the pre-socratics, in many ways...only in fuller form....",
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"text": "anytime Joshua you know where I live",
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"text": "Too much, makes B'tia an arrogant jerk.",
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"text": "Sorry, that's right. You were an arrogant jerk BEFORE you went to Thomas Aquinas College. The mathematical extremism just brought it all to completion.",
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"text": "http://www.theonion.com/.../tenth-circle-added-to.../...\nTenth Circle Added To Rapidly Growing Hell\nwww.theonion.com\nCITY OF DIS, NETHER HELL\u2014After years of construction, Corpadverticus, the new circle of Hell, finally opened its doors Monday.",
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"text": "\"Rapidly Growing Hell\" gets my vote for the alternate name of this thread.",
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"text": "I HAVE found most arrogant jerks that graduated TAC came that way.",
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"text": "Valeatis omnes. In crastinum.",
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"text": "All the best reaching 4000.",
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"text": "Hey guys cool conversation; what's it about?",
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"text": "I am going for my evening constitutional....and by that I mean pray rosary, smoke cigarettes....very TAC of me\nOh good ole Fr. Buckley. Saw him this Sunday. He related a story of a visiting Jewish professor who was shocked by the students smoking. Fr. Buckley said \"See, at your place you encourage fornication and prohibit smoking. We prohibit fornication and encourage smoking\"\nSums its up very well....",
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"text": "TACers think fornication is gross. So there.",
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"text": "Oh yeah? Well...\n...\n...\n[wearied whisper voice] sex. week. [/wearied whisper voice]\nI got nothin.'",
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"text": "TAC women are among the loveliest in the world, Mr Gallagher",
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"text": "wait there are women at TAC?",
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"text": "Honestly my own dislike for Sex Week is far outweighed by my delight at watching everyone else wring their hands over it",
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"text": "I feel so bad for the ladies of TAC. I always have. JA is right.",
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"text": "I know - which is why I annoyingly bring it up. Because it is the asinine refutation of everything you say in the vulgar media driven world of shadoes in which we live.",
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"text": "Earlier we circled each other on the relation of philosophy and sacred theology. Then there was some banter about literature and fixin' TAC's curriculum. Then we took a pass at rhetoric and poetics. Now we're up to Thomism and Chinese philosophy.",
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"text": "I don't know Edward Fesser (perhaps I should? maybe he is on this thread?) but a local professor just wrote this review of Fesser's book on metaphysics. http://www.catholicworldreport.com/.../metaphysics_and...\nMetaphysics and the Case Against Scientism | Catholic World Report - Global Church news and views\nwww.catholicworldreport.com\nMetaphysics and the Case Against Scientism Edward Feser\u2019s new book, \"Scholastic Metaphysics\", makes a strong case for the contemporary relevance of St. Thomas Aquinas\u2019s philosophical reflections on Aristotle Christopher S. Morrissey",
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"text": "This is nicely coupled with Lumen Fidei, an encyclical that has a metaphor right in its title.\nThe point being that love is the center of Faith, and Faith perfects reason, and math has nought to do with love, so while it may express the laws of the universe, it can enslave the spirit of man when offered in disproportionate helping.\nGood night, ladies;\nLadies, good night.",
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"text": "Finished. Sent. Now on to this grant and a shitty preface...",
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"text": "Tally the misspellings of Beitia's name...",
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"text": "Next ten are:\n91 Jody Haaf Garneau\n84 Nina Rachele\n80 Marina Shea\n77 Lauren Ogrodnick\n62 Philip D. Knuffke\n60 Joel HF\n49 Megan Caughron\n39 Jason Van Boom\n37 Daniel P. O'Connell\n33 Tom Sundaram",
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"text": "Me! Did I win something?",
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"text": "the first time ever that Tom Sundaram talked the *least*",
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"text": "When do we organize a conference at TAC on this thread?",
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"text": "Hey I didn't even make the list....but then again, I work 5:30 am to night and don't play around at work....",
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"text": "I can talk about music in the Aveterna. I've thought about that a lot",
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"text": "Those lists are cool. Of course, they don't account for comment length. If that were to be factored in, I wonder how the standings would change in terms of sheer output?",
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"text": "\"The humans are dead\"",
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"text": "Brian what do you think of adding electives at TAC?",
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"text": "I've actually made friends on this thread! Which is cool! Peregrine Falcon tried to friend me too, but I don't like him very much. Maybe he can persuade me with syllogisms why I should be his facebook friend?",
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"text": "Woah. That was Oscar's band rock/rap band.",
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"text": "I don't know, it was followed by a juggling act.",
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"text": "Because of this thread I befriended Jody Haaf Garneau and found out that my wife is old friends with the present director of evangelization in our diocese.",
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"text": "Not me. Wrong Mexican.",
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"text": "Because you Dominique Martin made 10 comments. (now 11)",
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"text": "This reminded me of this\nEdward Langley -http://www.politicsforum.org/.../flame_warriors/flame_40.php\nPeregrine- http://www.politicsforum.org/.../flame_warriors/flame_77.php\net alii http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/",
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"text": "Any analysis of the Never-Ending Thread is rendered impossible by the very fact that while said analysis is occurring, the thread itself is growing comment by comment, and hurtling closer and closer towards self-realization and true unity - once a self-and-othering sort of thing, now imminently shedding the skin of duality.\nFasten your seatbelts, ladies and gentlemen. We are exiting the cave.",
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"text": "Has anyone thought to consult the Guinness now I'm distracted and thinking about beer...",
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"text": "The Never-Ending Thread knows no \"last\" comment, Anne Marie. As it is Threadness itself, and that by which all other threads are threads, it does not exist in the particular and therefore cannot be bounded, having no beginning or end.",
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"text": "This thread is still going? When I checked it last week there were under 400 comments. This is quite marvelous and impressive!",
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"text": "Hey this seems like the perfect time to tell you all about a very special high-profit, no-risk, multi-level marketing opportunity venture I'm currently working on. It's a simple franchise investment, folks. A small initial gift gets your foot in the door right away, but you've got to act now!\nThen all you have to do to be a part of it is bring in two - just two - subsequent investors and you'll be increasing your profit in no time. And you don't even have to worry about market saturation - this opportunity exists outside of time!\nI only mention it because you're my friends and I wanted to give you all the first chance at some World Spirit Networking income!",
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"text": "I was reflecting on something you said above, Isak. I have been trying to loosely chronicle the \"history\" of the thread. However, being outside of time, it really isn't history. As I said above, there is an \"above and below\" but not a before and after, strictly speaking. It strikes me that this bears a remarkable similarity to either the structure of heaven or of hell as Dante recounts them. \nTom Sundaram, it might be time for you to tell us about Dante again.",
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"text": "For my 200th post I will repeat the most important and substantive thing I have contributed to this thread:\nTAC is the best!!!!!!! \nI am the best!!!! \nUSA, USA, USA!!",
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"text": "He does. He may be useful to us here at World Spirit Networking - Division of Sacred Theology and Pep Rallies.",
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"text": "I would, but I am gonna be busy in Siena today, praying to St Catherine for your collected souls.",
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"text": "Aaron Dunkel - you're telling me! I was tagged in the original status!",
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"text": "I attempted to catch up - this thread is really too much! Some day I will read all of the comments, which can make one feel \"outside of time\" only to have that seemingness dissolved by a glance at the clock. Good night!",
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"text": "The agent intellect is ONE, Emily!!",
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"text": "Collective Soul is a fun band. But yes, individually too.",
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"text": "Do join me! Everyone is invited! Except Peregrine",
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"text": "For my 201st comment, I would like to note that my 198th comment was meant only as a reflection on the diligent efforts of Edward Langley's documentation of the comments on this thread. You may now all expect at least 99 more comments from me, so that I can end on a good solid 300.",
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"text": "Step into my officeness, Daniel. I'd like to discuss your future with our company.",
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"text": "And past, actually.",
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"text": "If that sounds like you're getting fired, it's because you're not.",
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"text": "Aaron Dunkel, you should not stay away! \nI want to talk about why metaphors aren't syllogisms again.",
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"text": "Good night.",
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"text": "I know it was 3 hours and 648 comments ago... But Matthew, I defy your recall of the greatest smokers patio moment of all time. In fact, it was a sunny day, and a certain Jay Krautmann was sitting there with his guitar, along side Herbert Hartman, you, sir, Mr Peterson, myself, & several of the other usual suspects... At this point, a certain Karen zedlick approached and engaged in conversation (something heretical & non-magesterial, I'm sure). At one point, she requests the guitar & says, \"mr Peterson, may I play for you? But of course, if I play... I must sing as well...\" \nNothing was the same after that...",
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"text": "I remember that, Kunz....... and what I love is I still get to be number two in comments after taking 12 hours off at a time. (number one if you consider non-robots).\nAnd Edward Langley, I'm sure I've won the \"most ad hominems leveled at\" competition.\nDaniel Lendman, metaphors are syllogisms, if one can't reason well.... case in point?",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "On the theses volume front. Which of these two titles is better: 1Learning and Discipleship: Undergraduate Theses from Thomas Aquinas College\n2 Lac Ab Uberibus Almae Matris: Undergraduate Work from a Catholic Liberal Arts College?\nAlso add any better ones here: https://docs.google.com/.../1PutRC7wDJYJ1XughyMKZ.../edit... Also: The nominations are pretty heavy on the recent years, as Joel HF has observed. We need some nominations from the good old days.\nThomas Aquinas College Theses Volume - Google Docs\ndocs.google.com",
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"text": "As Good Hegelians, Pater, we realize that the more recent theses are intrinsically better. (that and I think the thread is top heavy in terms of the participants)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "how embarrassing. Off to do penance. Is that 100 years for every post in the 10th circle, do you suppose?",
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"text": "we just call them \"partial\" now",
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"text": "considering this was about TAC theses, a remarkable number of comments about Chrirtendom theses like \"how a metaphor is a syllogism\" which i think also demonstrates the correctness of Matthew's observation about the strength of TAC's curriculum.",
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"text": "Metaphor is a syllogism works if you can't do math.... but can only speak in broad lyrical vistas of the TL:DR variety. \nAnd I love me some rhetorical points. I may make a few....",
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"text": "i think Christendom theses win with respect to producing unending threads. They also may make one more employable irl. ",
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"text": "Funny - in all these thousands no one has brought up the nerdy pick up line comment even once.",
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"text": "I think most (?) of us are married? Maybe?",
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"text": "John Nieto's thesis was supposed to be quite good.",
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"text": "Well, that and the slideshow makes it really hard to sit through for all the thesis titles Peterson. I think I read three or four...",
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"text": "I like the first title better, Pater Edmund.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "It's amusing how the founders of Thomas Aquinas College believed they discovered the one thing wrong with the world and the Church, and that they were the only ones who discovered it, and the college is the only place you can find the answer:\nAristotle's notion of causality, embedded in the Summa.\nBecause academia and the Church lost sight of this, we have things like modern science, abortion and divorce and the folk Mass.\nAristotelian Causality is the drum the bang over and over again.\nBut the world today believes in cause and effect. It just lost sight of the first cause.\nAnd banging their drum does nothing to correct this.\nBecause the world disbelieves because of lack of grace, not metaphysics; as the Church state, grace is needed.\nAnd grace is an effect to the gift of faith and a response of love, which presents a whole new world of learning, which TAC ignores.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "How about \"Irresponsible Agent Intellect: Wild Speculation sans Magisterium\"",
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"text": "Speaking of banging drums... welcome back Scott.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "or better yet: \"Theological Hubris: Metaphor as Syllogism\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "(he just came back so I wouldn't take over first place in number of comments)",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I think one of the first things I learned at TAC was that I don't need grace. That is why they offer mass 4 times a day; confession 8 times, adoration daily, and have 4 full time chaplains.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Math is useful for college accreditation; but harmful because it has made fluff out of everything else.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^stop reasoning^\nHow about: \"Mathematics is Dangerous: 5 Ways and 3 Persons make 7 virtues\"",
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"text": "Generally the homilies at TAC are about the geometric perfection and proportions that can be discerned in our better-than-Christendom's-chapel.",
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"text": "ah.... here goes: \"Non-Euclidean Theology: Metaphorical Syllogisms in Magisterial Holistic Grace\"",
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"text": "It is a commonly held position among the faculty and students that Prop. 1, 47 was the first real icon of the Trinity.",
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"text": "Hang on, hang on.... I thought 2 11 demonstrated the Trinity",
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"text": "2 11 makes cuts the AB into the golden ratio by constructing the golden ratio on the original line, turned at right angles and by extension, thus showing how God proceeds from himself, as the Son from the Father in order that the cut, the golden cut, produce that which is perfect in the Holy Spirit",
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"text": "And Scott says math isn't important for theology!",
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"text": "Michael St. Patrick's metaphor-proof is a better syllogism: God is a shamrock. Therefore, there are three Persons and one God.",
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"text": "I think you believe if you go to Mass, and trust the plan, then God will give you grace to become a right-thinking and truly liberal Catholic man of leisure, and you will have the answer to the world's problem.\nThis is the form of political correctness.",
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"text": "\"What the magesterium says is metaphor\" and \"how drawing conclusions from magesteriaj propositions is heretical?\" \"whether Euclid was baptized and should be studied at a magesterium approved college, sans discursive reason but argued assertively by metaphorical syllogism?\"",
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"text": "If you actually paid attention to what I write, you wouldn't have to guess at what I believe. You would just ask me and I would tell you.",
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"text": "And being a cult.",
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"text": "Daniel, don't you remember consecration at curfew in the dorms? St. Aristotle and St. Euclid were promised our undying devotion. \nGnosis gnosis gnosis",
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"text": "TAC reads so much Aristotle and Thomas because... they believe causality is the one thing that went missing from the world, and they need to bring it back.",
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"text": "That's why Pope Leo XIII recommended it. Lost causality. . .",
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"text": "plus, I figure by 4000 comments I can get close to 500 personally, for a robust 12ish%",
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"text": "stop stop stop. It wasn't for lost causality, it was for lost syllogistic metaphorical holistic magisterial grace",
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"text": "Scott, it is interesting if you actually read what The Founders of TAC said, they don't mention causality as a reason for starting TAC. \nIt is not surprising, therefore, that under the pressure of ever widening vocationalism and humanism, Catholic education, immersed in this tide, is capsizing. Blurred in its vision, it cannot well distinguish and justify true liberal education apart from vocational and professional training, in a time when technical and technological progress seem to be everything that is commonly regarded as worthwhile. Correlated with man\u2019s hope in technology is his despair in knowing the truth about reality, which desperation gave rise originally to humanism. Even against the humanistic part of modern \u201cliberal education,\u201d wherein man turns back upon himself for the meaning of all things, which view always favors the \u201cworld\u201d against God, and man against his Creator, the benighted Catholic college has found itself defenseless. This capitulation shows on the one hand the general lassitude and dullness to which we are all heir, but on the other hand it shows more importantly what was noted above: the Catholic college has never really understood itself, has never, that is, thought out the exigencies of a liberal education which is undertaken in subordination to the teaching of the Church, and which has as its aim an intellectual perfection which is possible and proper to the Catholic alone. Such an education demands that all the parts of the curriculum not ordered to technical concerns should be conducted with a view to understanding the Catholic faith, and that the Faith itself should be the light under which the curriculum is conducted.",
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"text": "but they mean causality #gnosis",
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"text": "Also, here Brain Kelly talks about why we study Mathematics:\nhttp://thomasaquinas.edu/.../newsl.../winter-2011_web.pdf...",
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"text": "The Great Dr. McArthur says about why they founded the college:\n\"We wanted a college that was seriously intellectual. We wanted, as such, to frame a curriculum that would be possible but demanding. At the same time, we wanted it to be deeply Catholic, which is impossible without a serious curriculum to match. People can have good will and be very good people, but there is no education unless the mind is developed. It is possible to have an institution with Catholic rules, a Catholic demeanor, good Catholics as teachers and students, but yet fail to educate. This is what we wanted to address.\"",
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"text": "From what the Angelic Neumayr says, it almost looks like the reason we study Aquinas and Aristotle is because we are following the Magesterium:\n\"Among scholars St. Thomas is a recognized master. For the Church he is the Theologian. The Church, as the popes have told us, has embraced his mind as her own \u2014 and this because he has unfolded the knowledge of ordinary experience, a knowledge shared by all men, with an almost unique fidelity to our shared experience. St. Thomas in his turn called Aristotle \u201cThe Philosopher:\u201d the voice of the human mind itself. Speaking of Aristotle, then, Cardinal Newman said, \u201cHe told us our thoughts before we were ever born.\u201d\nGoing from what we all know implicitly about the visibilia to an explicit account is not easy \u2014 and few, no matter their brilliance, have done it with perfect fidelity. Even the great St. Augustine concedes that though he knows what \u201ctime\u201d is, he is at a loss when asked to explain it. St. Thomas and, perhaps, Aristotle before him were unique among men in this genius.\nWith good reason the College organized the course of studies to proceed \u201cad mentem Thomae.\u201d This is to seek out an understanding of things according to the mind of Thomas; and not in any of the Neo-Thomisms that lived briefly and died in schools. This is to say that the College truly seeks to make its students disciples of Thomas. Discipleship asks more than a mere acquaintance with this master\u2019s thought. His thought squares with our own and becomes our own.\"",
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"text": "...but I heard from someone, once, that TAC doesn't care about the magesterium. Huh?",
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"text": "Are you talking about the overt TAC doctrine\nor the secret doctrine\n#gnosis",
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"text": "Shockingly, Neumayr goes on to imply that sanctity and moral rectitude are important:\nQuestion: But why this unique role for St. Thomas? Why among the rich minds of the renowned scholars should Thomas stand out? Aren\u2019t they all geniuses of a sort?\nDr. Neumayr: Yes, but Thomas was not only a genius, he was also a saint. This can hardly be claimed for most of the Masters. But you might ask what difference does sanctity make? Is it merely an inspirational aspect that it brings? Or does it bear on the intellectual life itself?\nThe moral, in fact, has a central part in the intellectual life. Most of the more serious errors in judgment are more moral than intellectual. It is a moral failing rather than an intellectual one to claim that you see what you do not see, or that you do not see what you do see. The fallen nature of man makes a dogmatism favoring our own ideas almost irresistible. Those who would insist that a mere hypothesis be absolute are claiming to see what they do not see. The sanctity and the genius of St. Thomas would give him a certain immunity from claiming that he sees what he in fact does not see.\nThis moral rectitude in the pursuit of Wisdom ad mentem Thomae, in my humble opinion, is inextricably tied up with the mission of the College, and its future depends on this discipleship to our patron.\nWhat does this mean for discipleship? You can\u2019t be a disciple of just anyone, but only one you take to be both wise and honest. St. Thomas makes clear, for example, that the five proofs for God\u2019s existence set out in his Summa Theologiae are irrefutable. By his genius he sees the truth of the demonstrations; by his sanctity he does not lie. We, his students, though we may struggle, have every expectation that we may come to see as he does that God must exist and cannot not exist.",
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"text": "It is just amazing what one can find when one actually pays attention to what people say and do.",
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"text": "Last time I looked, the First Cause is as alive in the world today as when God said let there be light. \nBut alas, you maintain, it is not God's Nature that lacks Nature's God, but modern man's understanding of nature.\nTherefore, Math!\nThe language of causal science.\n***\nHow has this proposal played out? Has it fixed the problem? No, not even among those who believed the problem was the problem.",
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"text": "^just keep asserting it, maybe then someone will believe you^",
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"text": "Scott, are you drunk?",
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"text": "Daniel, you show remarkable patience trying to reason, quoting people, linking articles. Don't you know that you just have to keep asserting the same thing, and it's all cool. I trust you",
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"text": "and math isn't the language of causal science, its the language of casual science. Like science in yoga pants",
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"text": "I am not sure that anyone who knows about the First Cause would ever think that there was a problem with the First Cause not being in the world. Because if the First Cause were not there, there would be no there, there for it not be in. \nScott, maybe if you did more metaphysics you would avoid such an embarrassing mistake. Fortunately, you are around TAC students and we don't care much when people make mistakes like that. We are a rather tollerant and patient lot. in that regard.",
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"text": "Daniel, i disagree on one point. The universities did once know what they were about. They over time forgot as they strayed.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Keep banging those drums of Aristotelean causality. Those Whoville drums.",
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"text": "John, I think I and the founders agree with that, mostly.",
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"text": "it only takes one or two generations. Bede observed that. It is evident two when the jesuits were suppressed.",
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"text": "Scott, I am pretty sure it is too early in the day for you to be so inebriated.",
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"text": "I just did a page search for \"Aristotelian causality\" and got no hits. The only thing close was \"Aristotelean causality\" [sic]\nWho is beating a drum?",
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"text": "In seriousness, Scott, this seems to be typical of your discourse. It seems that you seldom really want to know what other people think.",
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"text": "I call it \"Linda Blair on facebook\" \nIt's all fine and dandy until he disagrees with someone..... then the head spins around",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I am going to have some quality time with the Mrs. I will be back, I am sure.",
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"text": "I'll just stick to ducking \"work\" for a little while longer",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "did you guys go back to this topic so we could hit 4000 faster?",
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"text": "it was suggested..... elsewhere.....",
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "Damn you, Edward, for tagging me back into this madness.",
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"text": "Joel HF wrote it best.\n\"The call of the cthreadulhu: 'That thread is not dead, which can eternal lie. Yet with strange aeons even death may die.' To gaze upon it, is to know madness, and to comment, is to never escape.\"",
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"text": "Pater Edmund I like 1) better, though 2) gets points for Latin and awesomeness.",
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"text": "you remind me, michael, of a thesis i meant to propose for discussion: \"the neverending thesis\" or \"how one escapes the never ending thread\" or \"we are stuck in the 10 th circle: what dante would do.\"",
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"text": "I remember Mr. DeLuca telling us two things in Junior Philosophy:\n(1) perfume is meant to remind you of sex. look at the ads!\n(2) math is better than the magisterium because you can prove the trinity from it. Trinity has three right there in the name, and that's math!",
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"text": "Beitia -- What'd I write best?",
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"text": "Anne Schniederjan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafY6sZt0FE\nGrateful Dead - Truckin'\nGrateful Dead - Truckin' Garcia;Lesh;Weir;Hunter Lyrics:Truckin got my chips cashed in. keep truckin, like the do-dah man Together, more or less in line, jus...",
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"text": "\"so many,\nI had not thought that death had undone, so many.\"",
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"name": "John Hall",
"text": "Tim Cantu, I was in your section and I can verify that we did in fact learn the aforementioned.",
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"text": "^it's hard to believe, but it is indeed true.",
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"text": "you guys got practical life information in junior philosophy? so jealous right now.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/KQLfgaUoQCw\nSt. Patrick's Bad Analogies\nThe problem with using analogies to explain the Holy Trinity is that you always end up confessing some ancient heresy. Let the patron saint of the Irish show...",
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"text": "I thought I quoted it earlier, Joel.... plus you need to get back into the thread. Time's a-wastin",
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"text": "Any thesis yet on how God breathed life into a dead monkey?",
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"text": "Lab? I thought it was seminar.... so much has changes [glances out into the distance wistfully]",
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"text": "quomodo magna simiae?",
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"text": "I didn't pay a lot of attention to any of senior year, so that's probably right.",
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"text": "You're all working for me now. Gnosis gnosis",
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"text": "wait wait...... you're telling me that you can reason to things, natural things, from the things of nature? \n*mind blown*",
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"text": "Re theses, Pater Edmund, I think my wife's suggestion of asking the school for a list of double distinctions by year could be a good jumping off point in terms of older theses.",
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"text": "That's good, because \"Lab\" sets you up for the very real disappointment of not spending time in Kronk and Yzma's lab making llama potions.",
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"text": "Joel, I don't know about that suggestion. That would be to assume that those grading the theses have some idea of what they're doing.",
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"text": "True, but it would be a list to work off, at least.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Almost",
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"text": "THE THREAD: A TRIOLET\nLike dog to vomit, thread recursive:\nTheology\u2019s slave is metaphysics!\nWithout its slave its not discursive!\nLike dog to vomit: thread recursive.\nWe need The Physics, need coercive:\nNeed logic, math, and pagan ethics!\nLike dog to vomit, thread recursive:\nTheology\u2019s slave is metaphysics!",
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"text": "4001 (edited for accuracy)",
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"text": "stay on target... stay on target! 4,000!",
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"text": "1st! Oh wait...",
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"text": "I think it's a great summation of this entire thread that despite several people's efforts to hit it themselves, #4,000 was \"at\"",
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"text": "Nice. So \"at\" is our glorious 4,000th comment.",
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"text": "I wish I could say that \"at\" is the worst comment in this magnificent train-wreck",
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"text": "I also like this quote from Fides et Ratio: \"Theology in fact has always needed and still needs philosophy's contribution. As a work of critical reason in the light of faith, theology presupposes and requires in all its research a reason formed and educated to concept and argument. Moreover, theology needs philosophy as a partner in dialogue in order to confirm the intelligibility and universal truth of its claims. It was not by accident that the Fathers of the Church and the Medieval theologians adopted non-Christian philosophies. This historical fact confirms the value of philosophy's autonomy, which remains unimpaired when theology calls upon it; but it shows as well the profound transformations which philosophy itself must undergo. It was because of its noble and indispensable contribution that, from the Patristic period onwards, philosophy was called the ancilla theologiae. The title was not intended to indicate philosophy's servile submission or purely functional role with regard to theology. Rather, it was used in the sense in which Aristotle had spoken of the experimental sciences as \u201cancillary\u201d to \u201cprima philosophia\u201d. The term can scarcely be used today, given the principle of autonomy to which we have referred, but it has served throughout history to indicate the necessity of the link between the two sciences and the impossibility of their separation.\"",
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"text": "Have you noticed that the thread is recursive?",
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"text": "Really? mine is in plain old printed letters.\nI'll see myself out.",
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"text": "\"I'm not yelling at you:\" http://youtu.be/AxQ7oqOTXlI?t=3m25s\nLoriot \"Feierabend\" (einfach hier sitzen)\nDas vollst\u00e4ndige Original.",
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"text": "http://instantrimshot.com/\nWelcome to Instant Rimshot\ninstantrimshot.com\nIf you need quick access to an ironicly-placed rimshot sound to mock your friends, or a genuinely-placed rimshot to put your great joke over the top, you've come to the right place.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "How about some celebratory music for 4k\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc\nReggie Watts disorients you in the most entertaining way\nhttp://www.ted.com/ Reggie Watts' beats defy boxes. Unplug your logic board and watch as he blends poetry and crosses musical genres in this larger-than-life ...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "but God gave us reason, we used that to make instruments, and measure red shift..... who knows \"how long\" creation took, but I'm pretty confident in was somewhen in the order of 14 billion years ago",
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"text": "#Gnosistalking",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Sorry, I keep posting unfinished things accidentally and then deleting them.",
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"text": "Blasted shift/return.",
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"text": "malformed thoughts haven't stopping anyone else",
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"text": "<--- guilty",
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"text": "^Also guilty^",
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"text": "you liked my comment? My gnosis must be on the fritz",
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"text": "Shantih Shantih Shantih",
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"text": "Whew, now that that's over with...",
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"text": "I need Aaron Gigliotti's expert advice on the Theses Volume title question: Which of these two titles is better:\n1 Learning and Discipleship: Undergraduate Theses from Thomas Aquinas College,\n2 Lac Ab Uberibus Almae Matris: Undergraduate Work from a Catholic Liberal Arts College,\nor rather, what should the title of this volume be? https://docs.google.com/.../1PutRC7wDJYJ1XughyMKZ.../edit...",
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"text": "I have no idea what gnosis is. Are they gonna take my degree back?",
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"text": "I like the first better, honestly. But I really hate the word \"discipleship\" Mr Berquist ruined that for me",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Is this up to too many comments to just jump in?",
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"text": "^^ No, never.",
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"text": "It's up to too many comments to NOT just jump in.",
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"text": "Nice",
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"text": "We may be arrogant jerks, but we are inclusive.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund \"A Well-Read High School Geometry Teacher: Intellectual Pride in the Catholic Ghetto.\"",
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"text": "Michael of the second most comments. 4000 is now yours.",
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"text": "Is deleting old comments to manipulate the thread grounds for thread excommunication?",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU\nJust when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.\nJust when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.",
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"text": "Yes but who is the thread magisterium?",
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"text": "Good question. But if it's latae sententiae, does it matter?",
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"text": "I nominate pope Peregrott. Is mine the 4000th now?",
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"text": "Organically developing in response to the churnings of the heresy factory.",
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"text": "Either that, or we're all on the Barque of Peterson.",
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"text": "(Off-topically, is there a particularly good recording of Handel's Messiah on youtube? I already listened to one, but I'm supposed to listen to it for work.)",
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"text": "\"he or she is considered profound, because he or she cannot find a bottom to him or her. He or she isn't even shallow\"?",
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"text": "Can we all just agree: modern man does not believe in God anymore, so the way to fix this problem is by teaching Catholic college students about Aristotelean causality.",
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"text": "^Yes!",
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"text": "If truth were a peregrine, you capture it, hood it, put it on a birdstand in your living room for about 3 mos so it becomes docile to your voice and dependent on you for food. And then you could take it hunting, training it to dive bomb on your favorite targets....",
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"text": "That's backwards, John. We cannot metaphysically know anything about Nature, without assent to revelation:\nDOGMA: \nIn the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order.\nInternal supernatural grace is absolutely necessary for the beginning of faith and of salvation.",
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"text": "there you go responding to something no one asserted again. Can we add \"take a drink\" every time I accuse you of straw man?",
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"text": "Lest we believe, as you seem to be teaching, that Aristotelean causality is an apologetical panacea, and a stepping stone to Revelation, in the order of being and discovery. This is backwards.",
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"text": "OT: I asked students if they could disprove the principle of non-contradiction. One student said that Jesus was both man and not-man at the same time. How do you respond? I have my own answer, but would be interested in hearing what y'all have to say.",
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"text": "God does go \"road to Damascus\" with everyone. And it seems you're presenting the materialist/mechanistic world view as a straw man. No problem using pagan causality to go after that. Just don't use it to build a Catholic college around.",
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"text": "Sigh. Yes, by talking about hylomorphism, we are worshiping Apollo. THE GIG IS UP EVERYONE! Close down the college. We have been unmasked.",
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"text": "John Boyer, you claim that only by studying pagan causality can you be prepared to tackle difficult question. Sorry, but this is utterly preposterous.\nDon Quixote is the autobiography of Thomas Aquinas College.",
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"text": "I guess I should not have gone to college but just stayed home and prayed reeeeeeeaaaaaaally hard? I'm not sure why you have such animus toward a view of the world that was adopted by doctors of the church.",
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"text": "Seems the magician has convinced you of the Moor's lie....you even embrace the Arabic spelling",
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"text": "That world view was not adopted by the Doctors. The Doctors always first assented to the principles of Faith, then studied the pagans, not the way you propose.",
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"text": "We do agree that faith or belief in God is always a gift of God. Always and everywhere!",
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"text": "Thank you Catherine. Let us agree that Faith always comes from God.",
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"text": "Yes! But that doesn't mean we can't study with our reason at least some of what has been given to us by God.",
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"text": "Yes, Max, causality does work differently once you are baptized, as a matter of fact. Thank you. ",
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"text": "Remember what Rome made Bautain sign?\n\u201cWe promise for now and forever: NEVER TO TEACH \u2026 3 that with reason alone one cannot have the science of principles or metaphysics, and the truths depending on it, as a science totally distinct from supernatural theology, which is founded on divine revelation\u2026\u201d",
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"text": "Well, Catherine, the Church teaches you can't understand those things properly, without an assent to revelation, which implies an understanding of sacred theology.",
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"text": "Indeed I do understand what I assert. Thank you and God bless Frank.",
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"name": "Philip D. Knuffke",
"text": "Mr. Bonaventure, you say that TAC is teaching Aristotelian philosophy without revelation, but that is simply not true. They explicitly say that the whole course of studies is conducted under the light of faith. Moreover, you just seemed to arue like this: since you can't know ALL natural truths without using revelation(whatever that means exactly), therefore neither can you know ANY.",
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"text": "Pater you're just reading it out of context and/or it doesn't mean what it clearly means because if it disagrees with PB it simply cannot mean what it means",
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"text": "Dd you really mean that?",
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"text": "i assert with Pater Edmund",
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"text": "Mr Knuffke, vide my entire engagement on this insane thread for the answer to your q",
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"text": "Isn't it a dogma that we can know some truths via reason? So, if that's true, wouldn't it be material heresy to claim \u201cWe cannot metaphysically know anything about Nature without assent to revelation\u201d?",
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"text": "can you cite some text for that?",
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"text": "Mr Knuffe Sir: I am just saying what Pater Edmind just cited: \"with reason alone one cannot have the science of principles or metaphysics.\"\nSo Aristotelean causality is not the secret sauce, or the appetizer, or the first course.",
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"text": "Pater, rephrasing that in simpler words might help.",
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"text": "running for lunch.",
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"text": "Yes, Joel HF, the heresy Bautain was forced to publicly renounce.",
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"text": "See I can split infinitives too.",
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"text": "Well it would be a difficult position to maintain. Presumably, he would need to have that statement itself revealed to him too.",
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"text": "I was already trying to rephrase that, even for myself, but I'm also trying to cook lunch.",
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"text": "Catholic education begins and ends with faith.",
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"text": "fun with Fideism!",
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"text": "but can he grasp that?",
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"text": "Let's have some Alexander Pope:\n\u00abSee skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,[451]\nMountains of casuistry heap'd o'er her head!\nPhilosophy, that lean'd on heaven before,\nShrinks to her second cause, and is no more.\nPhysic of Metaphysic begs defence,\nAnd Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!\nSee Mystery to Mathematics fly!\nIn vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.\nReligion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,\nAnd unawares Morality expires. 650\nNor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;\nNor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!\nLo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restored;\nLight dies before thy uncreating word:\nThy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall;\nAnd universal darkness buries all.\u00bb",
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"text": "killing time.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund--I believe Vatican I also has something to say about it. I think poor Peregrine doesn't know the magisterium he loves so passionately",
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"text": "pb could not distinguish syllogism and metaphor.",
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"text": "Wow, I just saw PB's comment: \u00abI am just saying what Pater Edmind just cited: \"with reason alone one cannot have the science of principles or metaphysics.\"\u00bb\nThat's formal heresy right there.",
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"text": "naaaaah, mere anarchy not yet loosed.",
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"text": "Edward Langley already pulled out the Vatican I.",
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"text": "My reason must allow, that I had wooed, not as I should. A creature made of clay. When the angel woos the clay, he'll lose his wings at the end of the day.",
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"text": "So - just to be clear - Pater Edmund just pointed out that Peregrine Bonaventure just assented to a formal heresy...\nSo - who's the super-Catholic now!? \n/troll",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Yeah, also the comment I quoted. No metaphysical knowledge without assent to revelation. Really? From the guy rabbiting on about how TACer's lacked magisterium?",
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"text": "NO I SUSPECT HE DIDNT GRASP THE CONDEMNATION. I misread it earlier too.",
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"text": "Yes - but he just AFFIRMED THAT POSITION.\nI also did not grasp the condemnation at first either. But he affirmed that's exactly what he's arguing for - a condemned position.",
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"text": "PB - care to recant?",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "It's unfortunate I can't tag him - he'll never read this far back....",
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"text": "So basically we need to address Fideism ...",
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"text": "he read it opposite its meaning.",
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"text": "By the time you go \"get lunch\" and get back to this thread... it will be at 5000 comments, and who has the time to catch up when velocity increases....",
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"text": "Which condemnation are you talking about Max Summe? There have been a few that PB didn't quite grasp.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "http://godwillbegod.com/.../07/uroboros-MoM-figure-29.png\ngodwillbegod.com\ngodwillbegod.com",
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"text": "The one where he explicitly said:\nPeregrine Bonaventure Mr Knuffe Sir: I am just saying what Pater Edmind just cited: \"with reason alone one cannot have the science of principles or metaphysics.\"\nSo Aristotelean causality is not the secret sauce, or the appetizer, or the first course.",
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"text": "Joel HF - that was in response to what you just said",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Maybe the self-actualizing world spirit has turned into Jormungandr",
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"text": "Right, I just wondered which condmnation, b/c there were a couple others along the same lines, iirc.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "don't magisterially magisterium your magisterially magistic teachings.\n#gnosisrocks",
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"name": "Philip D. Knuffke",
"text": "Why does this guy hate TAC so much?",
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"text": "it containr 2 negations: too many for pb; he has problems with math and logic inter al.",
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"text": "just be ready for the decisive \"it doesn't say that/you're taking it out of context/you lack the sacred integral sapiential gnosis and thus can't properly read that\" argument. I mean, \"argument\"",
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"text": "You said gnosis. that takes me back to junior music with Molly Gustin.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Philip D. Knuffke--No one really knows. Though getting told TAC \"wasn't for him\" (or something to that effect) by a senior tutor probably didn't help. Nor did having to leave after several attempts at freshman (and sophomore?) year.",
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"text": "Phillip... go back a few thousand comments. It explains EVERYTHING",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It seems to me that Peregrine has just now recovered from explicitly denying a statement taught by Vatican I 2000 comments ago.",
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"text": "except he doesn't understand it that way.",
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"text": "Vatican I: \"10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"text": "I cherry-picked the above quote from like, dozens, that would equally support the point. And, Edward Langley, PB didn't recover, he has been more explicit than ever in his rejection of them. (Though, I imagine he thinks he DOES agree with them...or is it vice versa?)",
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"text": ".\nEdward Langley \"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the \nother hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"text": "Edward Langley You haven't answered my question, Peregrine",
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"text": "Edward Langley Does \"right reason establish the foundation of faith\" or not?",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman Edward, I think you are being ignored.",
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"text": "Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "JA Escalante Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "oh I forgot, you also resort to name-calling",
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"text": "Right reason does NOT establish the foundation of Faith. Assent to revealed supernatural truths DOES establish the foundation of Faith and these truths are the principles of sacred theology.",
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"text": "Well, then you're a material heretic: that quotation was from Vatican I.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman Edward, that was a gotcha argument, underhanded, and dirty. I really liked it.",
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"text": "Scott, the appropriate response is silence.",
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"text": "if you can't distinguish between metaphor and syllogism, you'll affirm or deny anything.",
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"text": "Here it is, Vatican I \"1. If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.\"",
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"text": "\"Hence also the possession of [knowledge of the first causes] might justly be regarded as beyond human power; for in many ways human nature is in bondage, sot that according to Simonides 'God alone can have this privilege', and it is unfitting that man should not be content to seek the knowledge that is suited to him.\" From the Pagan Aristotle, Metaphysics 1.2 982b28-32",
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"text": "Joel, the way to do it is to quote Vatican I without citation and ask Peregrine if what you've quoted is true. When he denies it, watch him backpedal.",
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"text": "Joel, the trick is now to say that your quote isn't the \"fullness of faith\" play a little three card mental monte and accuse everyone of heresy",
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"text": "\"Peregrine Bonaventure That's false Edward, and you take Vat I out of context. Right reason is an effect of assent to Faith, which is clearly the foundation of the Faith.",
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"text": "Harrah 4k comments. Well played Matthew",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "In The Neverending Thread, thread comment on you.",
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"text": "well played Matthew? He barely cracks the top ten",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "Perhaps the antagonist ought to follow the ancient dietary laws of avoiding ostrich meat.",
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"name": "Erik Bootsma",
"text": "Still got a way to go:\nhttp://recordsetter.com/Facebook-world-records\nFacebook World Records\nrecordsetter.com\nCheck out some of the coolest and quirkiest Facebook world records and videos. Impress your friends by breaking or inventing your own Facebook world records on Recordsetter.com.",
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"name": "John Haggard",
"text": "Well, let it never be said I didn't do my part.",
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"text": "I think we should make Peregrine wear a scarlet H",
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"text": "scarlet is too noble of a color...let us go with bile green",
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"text": "how about a scarlet \"I\" for idiot",
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"text": "While making fun of PB is fun... because...\nWe should also remember that we should probably do our best to help him not be a heretic...",
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"text": "YOu guys are brats.",
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"text": "I think we're at the point where argumentum ad baculum is the only option left.",
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"text": "how's that possible, Max? Dialogue has to be possible first",
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"text": "(Who's name-calling now?)",
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"text": "Catherine: me, and yes, I am a brat",
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"text": "Michael Beitia I don't know how it would be possible - perhaps argumentation + dialogue is not the answer - at least not in its current form and tone?",
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"text": "that's just like, you're opinion, man",
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"text": "Maybe you should also burn him, since he's a material heretic, and dialogue is no longer possible. Cuz it's loving to help someone see their error by killing him.",
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"text": "Public shaming is a form of argumentum ad baculum, and is often helpful in correction.",
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"text": "well, he called me a thug approximately 4000 comments ago.",
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"text": "I think TACers should not be allowed to use facebook to dispute...",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "short, monosyllabicly worded questions and refusal to respond to his assertions?",
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"text": "better:?\nhttp://assets.dogtime.com/.../50e.../column_Cat-meme_021.jpg\nassets.dogtime.com\nassets.dogtime.com",
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"text": "cat memes > disputation",
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"text": "What can be done when we point to the moon and our finger gets stared at?",
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"text": "start howling like our \"interlocutor\", Aaron.",
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"text": "Plus, Catherine, I actually went line by line through Pope Francis's first encyclical with him on facebook with Megan and Mr.Ferrier back when he was just Scott. I tried",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "maybe that's it. Say absurd things on simple matters and see if he can correct his thinking by correcting others. IDK",
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"text": "That Ferrier thread is linked somewhere above, hidden by a few thousand comments.",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "something like this, John?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Just to fill in for the \"new\" contributors, in case y'all haven't yet figured it out Peregrine aka Scott Weinberg, doesn't care about rational discourse. He raises some interesting questions, but cannot get beyond that. \nAs a rule, he does not really pay attention to what you say. It would seem that he is not interested. \nHe makes blind assertions and insults without basis. \nFeel free to engage, but just know that he is a troll without equal. \nIf you do not believe me, you can just look above. His position with regard to TAC has been refuted a dozen times just in this thread.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "cant see it, Aaron.",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "its a wolf howling.....it was suppose to be a gif, that's probably why you can't see it",
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"text": "Most recently he has been talking about how the TAC founders thought that Aristotelian causality is the panacea for our world's ills. \nIt apparently does not interest Scott that our founders never said any such thing. \nI quoted all of them at length above about 700 comments ago.",
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"text": "John, I can't believe you've hung in this thread when you can't even see Peregrine's posts, and aren't even a TAC grad.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Catherine is right that open meanness is never called for; she's just suggesting that we all act like Christians",
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"text": "A different one Joel. One specifically about the encyclical",
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"text": "700 comments ago? HA!",
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"text": "I remember that one, vaguely. More of the same, iirc.",
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"text": "but honestly Catherine I think we've all MOSTLY been pretty good sports here",
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"text": "And now for a diversion:\nSuppose two people play a \"guess the number I have in mind game\" except, rather than one person trying to guess the number the other is thinking of, he's trying to pick a point on a line that the other person has thought of. What is the probability that the guesser picks the correct point?\nOn the one hand, if the things to be guessed were line segments, the probability to pick a given segment varies directly with its length. Thus, it would seem that the probability to pick a given point would be 0 (i.e. as the limit of decreasing lengths). That is, it is impossible to pick the given point.\nOn the other hand, that point was already picked and if it was impossible for it to be picked, it could not have been picked. Thus the probability that it is picked must be > 0.",
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"text": "Actually, Joel, there have been many interesting things on the thread and its more tolerable not to see pb. I am in an intellectual desert.",
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"text": "So, if even Aristotle had the humility to know that true metaphysical knowedge is impossible without God's help, don't you think it would be a good idea to teach Catholic college students the principles of Revelation in the infallible deposit of the Faith and of sacred theology?????\nJust askin'",
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"text": "Peregrine, how about replying to the proposition Rome made Bautain sign? It was quoted earlier by Edmund, and you're ignoring it",
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"text": "I suppose it depends on what you mean",
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"name": "Philip D. Knuffke",
"text": "Are you serious Mr. Peregrine Bonaventure?",
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"text": "That's his mantra, he repeats it to assure himself of its truth, Philip",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "PB! You're back - you missed the point where we just noticed you explicitly assented to an heretical statement by quoting it.",
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"text": "Also, as an update, it became clear above that Scott is a material heretic with regard to relation of faith and reason by denying a central point of Vatican I. \nSpecifically he denies: \"right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things\"",
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"name": "Bekah Sims",
"text": "Andrews I think that reading every comment on this thread should count toward credit hours.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Max, I think his first name is Pope, which is why he is so persistent about this magisterium thing.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "It's hump day, isn't it. . .",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "All day long.....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Peregrott, what are the principles of revelation, in your own words?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Perhaps it is opportune for me to point out that, if the Church actually took Scott's position on things the Nicene Creed could never have been formed.",
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"text": "peregrine can not be heretic. HE DOESNT understand what he is saying. He is indocile though.",
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"text": "Let me ask the question again:\nIf Aristotle himself knew that metaphysics was impossible without God's help, and since the *fullness* of God's \"help\" came after Aristotle, do you not think it is more important to teach the full deposit of that \"help\" first?\nSeeing as that \"help\" deals with: 1) some things pertaining to God which can be know by reason (albeit with His help) and 2) other things which can be known only in faith, then would it not be wise to teach students all of that deposit, and first, so everyone knows what that help is?\nTAC proposes the opposite.",
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"text": "PB - you haven't responded to the point that you're assenting to heresy.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "See, this is a good question/objection! The only problem is that it has been answered before. But I think we should try again. \nJohn, for your benefit, this is what Scott said: \"Let me ask the question again:\nIf Aristotle himself knew that metaphysics was impossible without God's help, and since the *fullness* of God's \"help\" came after Aristotle, do you not think it is more important to teach the full deposit of that \"help\" first?\nSeeing as that \"help\" deals with: 1) some things pertaining to God which can be know by reason (albeit with His help) and 2) other things which can be known only in faith, then would it not be wise to teach students all of that deposit, and first, so everyone knows what that help is?\nTAC proposes the opposite.\"",
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"text": "again, what do you mean by \"full deposit\" is it a list?",
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"text": "That is also a good question!!!",
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"text": "Let me ask again.\nSince Aristotle had the humility to know that metaphysics is impossible without God's help, would it not be wise to learn what that help is?",
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"text": "Can we talk about the Deposit of Faith in relation to material heresy?\nYou can't keep trumpeting the Church and deny her teachings!",
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"text": "<I am the self-appointed cheerleader>",
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"text": "The Pandorica will open, Silence will fall....who knew how prophetic those words were from the multi-form at the beginning of Dr. Who, Season 5",
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"text": "I second Daniel for cheerleader. (pics or it didn't happen)",
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"text": "HAHAHAHA ^^",
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"text": "Help = the deposit of the Catholic Faith.",
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"name": "Michael Horton",
"text": "I think the thesis on animal feelings sounds timely and interesting. Just wanted to add that. ",
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"text": "I think the problem is that one cannot understand the deposit of the Catholic Faith without sound philosophy. The Church's own definitions are predicated with philosophical terms.",
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"text": "Its Newman's fault: what happens when so called real apprehentioms are elevated above notional ones. He too seems to have rejected that we can know God \"notionally\". We wind up solipsic and trapped in our own mind unable to communicate with personal \"experience\" of God and irrational (toa degree since it is impossible simpliciter) fideism.",
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"text": "Fine:",
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"text": "Daniel, I patently disagree with that. Indeed, the opposite is true. You cannot understand philosophy, without God's help. The maxim is faith seeking understanding. You indicate TAC attempts to do the opposite.\nDo you agree with this?",
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"text": "Doesn't \"faith seeking understanding\" imply that faith is not, of itself, understood?",
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"text": "And you cannot establish a \"sound philosophy\" without assent to God's help first, which you cannot do without studying it. Agree?",
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"text": "Kinda like the phrase \"man seeking wife\" implies that he does not yet have a wife?",
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"text": "Here is the difficulty. You equate God's help with understanding the deposit of faith. Now, I agree with Vatican I that faith and reason are mutually up-building and aid one another. However, nature proceeds grace. (Because grace is for the sake of make a nature like unto God). So, the help that comes in metaphysics is largely had (at first) through prayer and spiritual exercise.",
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"text": "The broad-backed hippopotamus \nRests on his belly in the mud; \nAlthough he seems so firm to us \nHe is merely flesh and blood. \nFlesh-and-blood is weak and frail, \nSusceptible to nervous shock; \nWhile the True Church can never fail \nFor it is based upon a rock. \nThe hippo's feeble steps may err \nIn compassing material ends, \nWhile the True Church need never stir \nTo gather in its dividends. \nThe 'potamus can never reach \nThe mango on the mango-tree; \nBut fruits of pomegranate and peach \nRefresh the Church from over sea. \nAt mating time the hippo's voice \nBetrays inflexions hoarse and odd, \nBut every week we hear rejoice \nThe Church, at being one with God. \nThe hippopotamus's day \nIs passed in sleep; at night he hunts; \nGod works in a mysterious way -- \nThe Church can sleep and feed at once. \nI saw the 'potamus take wing \nAscending from the damp savannas, \nAnd quiring angels round him sing \nThe praise of God, in loud hosannas. \nBlood of the Lamb shall wash him clean \nAnd him shall heavenly arms enfold, \nAmong the saints he shall be seen \nPerforming on a harp of gold. \nHe shall be washed as white as snow, \nBy all the martyr'd virgins kist, \nWhile the True Church remains below \nWrapt in the old miasmal mist.",
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"text": "Aaron Dunkel, that is a favorite of mine.",
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"text": "John, I responded to Scott saying: \"Daniel, I patently disagree with that. Indeed, the opposite is true. You cannot understand philosophy, without God's help. The maxim is faith seeking understanding. You indicate TAC attempts to do the opposite.\nDo you agree with this?\"",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "And \"And you cannot establish a \"sound philosophy\" without assent to God's help first, which you cannot do without studying it. Agree?\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^Formal heresy?^",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "thanks, Daniel. He is partly right. But difficult to correct bc confused and indocile. Very confused.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Daniel that image is obscene!",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "That's all I get from you!",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I disagree with that Daniel. I equate God's help with revelation; and to have that \"help\" you need the Church, her teachings, and you need faith, to assent to those truths, and you need to study them, and to do that you need to be presented with them. Thomas's metaphysics is not the same as Aristotles'. \nYou, and TAC, seem to be saying the metaphysics and revelation are equal, and equally help each other.\nThis is false.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Doesn't \"faith seeking understanding\" imply that faith is not, of itself, understood kinda like the phrase \"man seeking wife\" implies that he does not yet have a wife?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Here I am not calling anyone a heretic or troll and you criticize my cheerleading outfit! Catherine! Where's the love? ",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "What does homoousion mean?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Peregrine seems to think that \"faith seeking understanding\" means \"you can't understand anything unless you first have faith.\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Thus making all of philosophy into Sacred Theology.",
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"text": "What does it mean for the soul to be the form of the body as the council of Vienne defined?",
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"text": "No, Ed, faith seeking understanding simply means gaining a greater understanding of the reasonability of the faith.",
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"text": "But, faith presupposes reason.",
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"text": "My poor eyes.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Gaze for a while on the Never Ending Thread as it grows and all will be well.",
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"text": "Never again to be unseen.",
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"text": "Faith presupposes reason.",
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"text": "YES. WE CAN UNDERSTAND NO ARTICLE of faith without reason.",
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"text": "And, Peregrine, one cannot disagree well unless one actually addresses one's opponents: whether by presenting an argument for your own view, by distinguishing some term your opponent uses or by refuting some claim your opponent makes. Merely reasserting your own position like a broken record is none of these things.",
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"text": "Here is another argument: Faith is a virtue, but the definition of virtue includes the account of a rational nature. Therefore, faith presupposes reason.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Man seeking wife: This thread seems to have turned into a singles classified. Illustrated, sadly.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Peregrine: Yes or no, do you agree or disagree that \u201cthe one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason\u201d?",
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"text": "No, Ed, \"faith seeking understanding\" does not mean \"you can't understanding anything unless you first have faith.\" It means you would not exist without God, and you cannot understand anything about God in Himself or in his Revelation without faith. And since that is the case, and since the principles of faith have been authoritatively presented to man through the Church, in Her sacred theology, would you not want to study what those principles and teachings are, how they came to be, how they came to improve the metaphysics of the pagan, and how and what they are doing through the ages to this present moment?",
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"text": "\"Turned into?\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "BUT HIS CONFUSION AND OTHERS HERE (i think) is that de fide propositions (and not a special gift of the Holy Spirit) are what preserve us from many errors of reason darkened by sin and ignorance.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "That is a position that has been explicitly condemned.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Yes, that is true, Joel. We cannot know our Lord God without His help. So let us learn what that help is.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Yeah, we want to know what the Church says, but to understand homousion and \"soul is form of man\" requires sound PHILOSPHY.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "We may have a shot at 8128",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "John, this is just in from Scott, \n\"No, Ed, \"faith seeking understanding\" does not mean \"you can't understanding anything unless you first have faith.\" It means you would not exist without God, and you cannot understand anything about God in Himself or in his Revelation without faith. And since that is the case, and since the principles of faith have been authoritatively presented to man through the Church, in Her sacred theology, would you not want to study what those principles and teachings are, how they came to be, how they came to improve the metaphysics of the pagan, and how and what they are doing through the ages to this present moment?\"",
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"text": "Keep it going! Wooooooo!",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "Joel HF - looks like he assents to that statement",
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"text": "Peregrine--you realize that that proposition was *condemned by anathema* at Vatican I? I quote \u201cIf anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.\u201d Thus you must REJECT that idea if one wants to remain faithful to the Catholic magisterium!",
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"text": "TAC -- 2, Peregrine -- 0",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I wonder how many sentences Peregrine would reject if we just quoted VI one sentence at a time.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Joel!!! That was a gotcha argument! It was low-down and dirty... and AMAZING! \nEdward Langley, look at the example you have set.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "***********Yes, Daniel, understanding the soul as form, requires sound philosophy, but sound philosophy requires sound Revelation, which requires the Church. ******Consider the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in light of Thomas' use of philosophy of the soul. He erred on this dogma ***because of*** his view of the soul. The Church did not err because the Church is aided by God in a unique way.********\nSo let us study that fully.",
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"text": "Scott, you have to start seeing that your position is really breaking down.",
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"name": "Timothy Moore",
"text": "I think this thread has gotten way past harmful.",
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"text": "Please, Scott, for the good of your own soul and well being, you need to assent to the teaching of the Church.",
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"text": "AGAIN. He is not an heretic. Through modern \"education\" he has become imbecile.",
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"text": "It wasn't a gotcha, b/c I'd quoted the Vatican I statement in its entirety earlier today in this very thread. With attribution too. Moreover, I do sincerely hope that PB will come to the truth. (As I know, do you, Daniel.)",
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"text": "Actually, St. Thomas's denial of the IC is consistent with his commitment to speculate as little as possible beyond things revealed by God. Of course the content of the Deposit of Faith was later made more explicit, but that's neither here nor there.",
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"text": "How is my position breaking down, Daniel?",
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"text": "Don't you see how you have explicitly rejected truths defined by the Church?",
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"text": "Twice.",
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"text": "Peregrine can you please just reply to the propositions quoted from Vatican I and the recantation of Bautain? They directly contradict you",
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"text": "I'll quote Vatican I again: \"If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.\" You explicitly agreed with the condemned statement.",
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"text": "Ok. You rejected as false, this statement: The one, true God, our creator and lord, can be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason.",
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"text": "Edward Langley \"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the \nother hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\"",
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"text": "Edward Langley You haven't answered my question, Peregrine",
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"text": "Edward Langley Does \"right reason establish the foundation of faith\" or not?",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman Edward, I think you are being ignored.",
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"text": "Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "JA Escalante Peregrine you crack me up. Do you ever actually respond to an argument, or do you just reassert your cranky position over and over?",
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"text": "Right reason does NOT establish the foundation of Faith. Assent to revealed supernatural truths DOES establish the foundation of Faith and these truths are the principles of sacred theology.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman Edward, that was a gotcha argument, underhanded, and dirty. I really liked it.",
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"text": "But, what Joel just said.",
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"text": "Please show me where I erred, and contradicted the teaching of the Church, if this is your claim?",
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"text": "and Ed",
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"text": "Do you see how that just happened?",
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"text": "and Pater Edmund.",
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"text": "we just showed you, Peregrine",
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"text": "That is: He is anathema who says that God cannot be known from creation and human reason.",
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"text": "thanks. Daniel. He needs it broken down.",
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"text": "Even more strongly, Catherine: \" by the NATURAL light of human reason.\"",
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"text": "Thank you! (Not that I care what the magisterium proclaims magisterially.)",
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"text": "Okay, maybe I do a little.",
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"text": "Behold, the sun pierces the fog",
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"text": "Don't speak so soon, Aaron.",
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"text": "Everyone following should take a moment and pray for Scott. Now.",
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"text": "Brats.",
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"text": "Seriously.",
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"text": "Please do.",
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"text": "Beyond harmful towards \nhealing. This needs to be a healing thread. The soothing eternal return.",
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"text": "I love all of you.",
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"text": "PB, please do respond, by all means!",
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"text": "Does he grasp his statement. Does he grasp that that is what is condemned?",
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"text": "He is asking for time to respond.",
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"text": "Let's find out. Hush for a second.",
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"text": "He's asking us to let him respond, so let's hold off until he does so.",
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"text": "there's no way this turns out badly",
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"text": "I have hope. The Peregrine may yet take wing.",
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"text": "cue jet engine",
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"text": "TRADITIONALLY, an heretic is given 6 months to recant. PB needs more time perhaps. Go gentle. He is confused.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gur8ccqrQ9c\nWhen You Believe - The Prince Of Egypt\n\"When You Believe\" is the Official Movie Soundtrack of Prince of Egypt. In the film, this song of inspiration is performed by the characters Tzipporah (Miche...",
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"text": "Some people can know God as an uncaused cause by reason alone, but not without some admixture of error. Revelation and assent is needed to know without error. This is the *infallible* teaching from Vat I.\nThank you.\nYou seem more interesting in proving you are right, then understanding what is true.\nBut I thank you for letting me respond.",
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"text": "It's okay, Peregrine. They do this to EVERYONE. Including me at times. I have been known to throw pencils at people across the table. And burst into tears.",
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"text": "Wrong...It is extremely difficult to know without an admixture of error and may require much in the way of time....but not impossible",
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"text": "Fascinating.",
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"text": "And I was usually wrong of course.",
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"text": "When do we do this to you, Catherine Ryland? And moreover it is done entirely out of love!",
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"text": "So, Scott, I take it from your response that you do not recant?",
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"text": "John, this was from Scott: \"Some people can know God as an uncaused cause by reason alone, but not without some admixture of error. Revelation and assent is needed to know without error. This is the *infallible* teaching from Vat I.\nThank you.\nYou seem more interesting in proving you are right, then understanding what is true.\nBut I thank you for letting me respond.\"",
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"text": "Do you not see how faith presupposes reason?",
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"text": "I think the hang up here is the admixture of error point. That needs to be addressed to move forward otherwise this could continue to go in circles like so many epicycles.",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yKg57tPVU\nWhat happens when a bird hits a jet engine\nEver wonder what would happen if birds were sucked into a jet engine?",
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"text": "John Boyer, that is going to happen anyway, we are in The Never Ending Thread.",
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"text": "I think the thread is intended to move epicyclically. (You beat me, Daniel.)",
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"text": "We should also all take a moment and recall all the times we have obstinately held a position even though we recognized, however vaguely, that the other had a better argument and position.",
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"text": "Well then this part of the conversation is retrograde motion.",
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"text": "\"Some people\" is a distinction you've not admitted before, Peregrine. So basically, what you're saying is: you agree with Vatican I that natural theology is quite possible without revelation, but that there will always be some error admixed; and that, with revelation, metaphysics is purified of that but without losing its relatively independent status?",
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"text": "It is really hard, sometimes, to change one's mind and to admit error. Especially publically.",
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"text": "then it wouldn't be neverending.",
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"text": "Well, let's take a look at his response:\nSome people can know God as an uncaused cause by reason alone, but not without some admixture of error. Revelation and assent is needed to know without error. This is the *infallible* teaching from Vat I.",
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"text": "see? now we're back to Hegel. Take out Phenomenology of Spirit, add Heidegger",
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"text": "one can admit that Aristotle had errors. But in principle it is not necessary.",
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"text": "Mr. Lendman has now taken the role of Tutor . . . ",
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"text": "Samantha I am still waiting for classes to start. I am still on vacation!",
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"text": "Samantha, being a professor/grad student leaves a fair amount of free time which can be used for productive ends or Facebook. ",
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"text": "Aristotle knew by reason that God exists but with some admixture of error. \nEncyclicals must be read in context, not so much on facebook.\nSome encyclicals say Thomas is pre-eminent. This does not mean this is all the theology we study. We must study what the Church teaches in Her fullness, and make assent to this.\nThis knowledge precedes metaphysics, so why does TAC not teach it?",
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"text": "Can we take this somewhat seriously please? Even if we can't change PG's mind we may be able to understand his position with more clarity and then how to answer it",
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"text": "Or just very, very good at avoidance behavior.",
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"text": "Scott, that is a good question, but we are looking at your response from above first.",
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"text": "PB: your claim that \"this knowledge precedes metaphysics\" needs clarification. What do you mean by \"precedes\"?",
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"text": "There are two questions there PB. I think it better to address the issue of natural knowledge of god and hash that out before making an assertion and then demanding an answer as to why TAC doesn't live up to it. That's avoiding the question.",
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"text": "One thing at a time. . . Ahh nvm this is Facebook ",
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"text": "John, Scott just said \"Aristotle knew by reason that God exists but with some admixture of error.\nEncyclicals must be read in context, not so much on facebook.\nSome encyclicals say Thomas is pre-eminent. This does not mean this is all the theology we study. We must study what the Church teaches in Her fullness, and make assent to this.\nThis knowledge precedes metaphysics, so why does TAC not teach it?\"",
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"text": "I would say that the phrase in question ultimately comes from Aquinas, no?",
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"text": "\"Das Wahre ist so der bacchantische Taumel, an dem kein Glied nicht trunken ist, und weil jedes, indem es sich absondert, ebenso unmittelbar aufl\u00f6st,\u2014ist er ebenso die durchsichtige und einfache Ruhe.\"",
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"text": "\"Some people\" as in you guys. Get it?",
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"text": "ST I, Q. 1, A. 1 Co \"I answer that, It was necessary for man's salvation that there should be a knowledge revealed by God besides philosophical science built up by human reason. Firstly, indeed, because man is directed to God, as to an end that surpasses the grasp of his reason: \"The eye hath not seen, O God, besides Thee, what things Thou hast prepared for them that wait for Thee\" (Isaiah 64:4). But the end must first be known by men who are to direct their thoughts and actions to the end. Hence it was necessary for the salvation of man that certain truths which exceed human reason should be made known to him by divine revelation. Even as regards those truths about God which human reason could have discovered, it was necessary that man should be taught by a divine revelation; because the truth about God such as reason could discover, would only be known by a few, and that after a long time, and with the admixture of many errors. Whereas man's whole salvation, which is in God, depends upon the knowledge of this truth. Therefore, in order that the salvation of men might be brought about more fitly and more surely, it was necessary that they should be taught divine truths by divine revelation. It was therefore necessary that besides philosophical science built up by reason, there should be a sacred science learned through revelation.\"",
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"text": "THEN PB doesnt deny the statement. AND AN ATHEIST like Adler can follow Aquinas and be without error. (Daniel)",
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"text": "What kind if necessary is Thomas using there? Sorry if that's an easy one, but he says necessary even with those things that could have taken a long time to come to know by natural reason and by a few.",
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"text": "Side note, I appreciate the sentiment behind the use of the Arabic \"N\" profile pic, but I get lost as to who is talking sometimes. ",
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"text": "Well, the obvious reply, Lauren, although I don't think this is really answering you fully, is that the preambula fidei can be known by reason. However, since many cannot figure them out by reason alone due to difficulty (and time involved that most people don't have), they are revealed in revelation. The same would be said of the 10 commandments, which many argue are precepts of natural law, and thus discoverable by reason. However, there was still a need to give them by divine revelation because not everyone figured out that theft or murder or adultery are wrong.",
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"text": "I think that quote is from Ott",
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"text": "\"In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order. (De fide.)\"\nhttp://www.theworkofgod.org/dogmas.htm V.9",
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"text": "So the necessity is not because man cannot get there on his own, but it is more effective to have it through revelation so more men are saved. (Sorry, for just repeating, but it seems we've had the difficulty of necessity earlier on)",
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"text": "Thanks, Edward",
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"text": "If someone has the actual book by Ott, it might be nice to see what he cites for that proposition.",
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"text": "except knowing the religious and moral truths of the natural order is not the same as being saved",
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"text": "I also find it interesting that that formulation says \"morally impossible\" rather than \"impossible\".",
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"text": "My guess is Aquinas, given the formula.",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland: Not ALL TACers; Mr. Collins is not a jerk. From the archives:",
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"text": "More from the same thread:",
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"text": "And:",
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"text": "https://www.facebook.com/emily.norppa/posts/512239741478\nEmily Norppa\nA few years ago, Dr. Kelly wrote an article for the TAC newsletter about why we study math. Does anyone happen to have a copy of that which they could send me? Let me know and I'll private message my email address to you.\nAlso, other articles about why we study math that aren't simply STEM-related would be great.\nAndrew Seeley Sean Collins Richard Delahide Ferrier Edward Wassell Gregory Froelich Brian Dragoo Nick Ruedig Tom Sundaram",
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"text": "Ok. So man can know some, but not all the truths of the faith through reason. But not all men can through reason, hence the way revelation is considered necessary. (Sorry!) If so then are disagreement with PG would be the some vs all vs any men.",
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"text": "Um, sorry, I don't mean interrupt your victory lap, your spiking of the football. BUT, Holy Church teaches revelation is needed to know the Lord without error.\nSo why not study that?",
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"text": "So to know ALL the truths yes, but for some men they can know some of the truths through reason..., right?",
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"text": "Is there an implication here, somewhere, that Catholics must know how to read? I sure hope not.",
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"text": "rather I think the context of Vatican I would be helpful. What, historically, caused the anathema?",
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"text": "I mean Nicaea is a response to Arianism, right?",
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"text": "what is VI a response to?",
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"text": "mb, it was Newman (See above and below this comment. But seriously as y'all know i think he thunk the same.) . . . . It is a consequence of empirical nominalism: viz. fideism and immanentism.",
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"text": "Trent anathematized Jansenism, right?",
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"text": "So is PB's position fideistic? or some new thing?",
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"text": "I admit it does not come to fideism. I have a great example... (In meeting)",
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"text": "This is interesting: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15303a.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Vatican Council\nwww.newadvent.org\nThe twentieth and up to 1912, the last ecumenical council, opened on 8 December, 1869, and adjourned on 20 October, 1870\nAugust 27 at 3:56pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nMichael Beitia Pascal in relation to Jansenism, canons on justification from Trent. Sorry at \"work\" still, getting distracted by life. Excuse incomplete thoughts",
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"text": "BUT PB doesnt deny it . . . only without errors. He insists on studying sacred science to correct the errors.",
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"text": "Based on Pascal's Penses, it seemed like it was just about the Pope being wrong and talking about Athanasius... ",
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"text": "AND THAT IT is necessary to develop reason before approaching sacred science: Jesuits: 3 years of latin and greek before 3 years of lit/rhetoric before logic before philosophy before ANY THEOLOGY . . . well i should say metaphysics is followed by sacred Scripture.",
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"text": "So wait! That's just another distinction we've added/clarified. Necessary for salvation vs necessary for studying Sacred Theology (sorry this just became clear to me as one of the issues we were having...)",
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"text": "Ok. So metaphysical (no clue what we mean by that). But we can have some truths through reason without any error, just it is limited and rare (not all men or all truths)",
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"text": "Boethius was loooong after Aristotle, and Aristotle does not speak of persons, does he? And St. Thomas further develops that definition until even the old Catholic Encyclopedia says it is almost entirely different from Boethius's. In fact, of course, \"person\" is developed via complicated Christian theology.\nAristotle so far as I know, when speaking about what we take to be him speaking about God, never indicates that God has a will or refers to God in any personal way.",
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"text": "I was such a bad TAC student, when you guys start doing this all I can think is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEdDMQZaCU\nRevenge of the Nerds - NERDS!\nClip from Revenge of the Nerds where Ogre and the other football players scream \"NERDS!\"",
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"text": "In fact, from what admittedly little we have of Aristotle, he seems to speak of God in remarkably careful and one might say sparse ways.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund--That's what I was thinking of. But I don't think Aristotle had developed that anywhere close to STA's idea of \"person.\"",
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"text": "Samantha--would you disagree that \"The Doll House\", \"Billy Bud\" and Flaubert could easily be dumped from Senior Seminar?",
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"text": "Reading back up the thread and thinking big pictures and gravely risking initiating a discussion I totally do not want....... Isn't saying that \"What the Church says is true is true because the Church says it's true\" madly circular? And kind of an insult to God?",
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"text": "Actually, I forgot we read those ones. I think Doll House is important, but the others, meh",
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"text": "When I'm not on vacation, or on facebook, I liaise with States and Tribes in the Heartland. The Santee Sioux of Niobrara know God exists by looking at nature. They call God the Great Spirit. He created the stars and the moon and the fish and everything that came forth from the mouth of the Fish. They know God with admixture of error. Now, most of the Tribe became Catholic about 100 years ago. They still believe in the Great Spirit, but they call Him God the Father now, and since they have been taught the Faith, they know Him without admixture of error. They even say they always knew God existed. It's just that now they know God exists without error. So, this shows that you can know God by reason and nature, but you need revelation to know God without error.",
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"text": "I can't remember Billy Bud at all. Did we skip that seminar?",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwCiQASnw6o\nDallas Is Going Down\nMarc Miller, an enthusiastic Buffalo Bills Fan, predicts the outcome of Super Bowl XXVII, then just starts yelling. (Final Score: Dallas 52, Buffalo 17) Clip...",
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"text": "Not I! As Henry Zepeda can attest. \"Jimmy legs\" was my main take away. That and heavy handed tripe about the state of nature.",
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"text": "Flaubert was at DeCaen's house. I think we talked about how weird and disturbing the stories were, and how Madame Bovary was better.",
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"text": "Brilliant men have not made that argument to say that Aristotle must have made those extrapolations and inferred a concept that didn't really even exist yet.",
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"text": "Oh right. All I remember is the artwork at his house. I've also never read Madame Bovary for some reason.",
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"text": "eeeeehhhhhh....... make that \"hadn't even been explicated yet.\"",
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"text": "And you don't really expect me to recall (or have read) anything from \"above,\" do you?",
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"text": "I realize that this is a point of contention among many philosophers, but I also know when I make a good argument, and I did make a good argument. You may not like how it concludes, you may even have reasons aside from your derisive reactions, but I have been studying philosophy and theology at two different graduate institutions and think that I merit the respect of anyone, but especially of one whom, at least up to now, I considered a friend.",
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"text": "My favorite part about Aristotle having a concept of the will is how explicitly he takes up the notion in the Nicomachean Ethics.",
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"text": "Here is a second example, and let me know your thoughts. \nSt. Thomas Aquinas denied the Immaculate Conception, because of his adherence to Aristotle's moral and metaphysical teaching on the human soul. He said that that Mary was freed from sin after conception because ensoulment takes place after fertilization. So he had metaphysical knowledge but with error. \nA further unfolding of revelation by the Church was needed to correct the error. Dogma corrected metaphysics. A body-soul unity comes into existence at conception. New science supports this claim. Under a microscope, identical twins are generated by a second soul in a cluster cells, not by a division of cells.\nRevelation is conveyed by the Church in Her Scripture and dogma, which informs sacred theology, and this is necessary to remove error from reason and metaphysics. (This is different than reading Aristotle and praying and going to Mass.)",
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"text": "I see another discussion is taking place. Please look at my examples when you can, and let me know what you think.",
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"text": "Woah, I have to go make dinner, but before I ruin our friendship, Daniel, I was not objecting to the outline of your argument, just your argument as attributed to Aristotle. He doesn't say that stuff, and there isn't any reason to think he would have thought it.",
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"text": "What Samantha said. But I hope you know not to take anything I say seriously, Daniel?",
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"text": "\"Under a microscope, identical twins are generated by a second soul in a cluster cells, not by a division of cells.\" Uhhh...scratches head...",
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"text": "Yeah, I thought my font looked very light-hearted and bantery, but I see I caused offense.",
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"text": "Yah, one more time: it's tangential in the sense that it was brought up as an example, but A) it is very unclear what anyone would mean when they say Aristotle talks about a personal God, and B) Aristotle does not speak of God having a will, or providence, in any serious fashion in the admittedly little we have of his thought.",
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"text": "That's very interesting that you can see a soul under a microscope. Who knew.",
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"text": "Samantha we believe what the Church teaches because God granted her authority confirmed by miracles and the testimony of saints (by their words, deeds, and blood): this by the gift of Faith strengthened by acts of Faith, also a gift.",
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"text": "I thought it was his understanding of \"conception\" that was the problem. Also Thomas was avoiding the prevalent error of those who claimed Mary was cleansed before conception (which doesn't work because before conception there is no person).",
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"text": "I've heard that there is some disagreement amongst Thomists as to what exactly Thomas taught w/r/t the IC.",
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"text": "We need to get some Scotists and Thomists in here to squabble at this point. Summon them! \nFIGHT!",
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"text": "This thread hasn't had a soundtrack in a good long while Matthew J. Peterson.... what gives?",
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"text": "\"Yah, one more time: Aristotle don'\" He don' what, Mr. Peterson? Edit: it is clear now.",
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"text": "It's not like we can go on Facebook and look up all his past conversations. ",
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"text": "Meagan, \"what the Church says is true\" is theological data about revelation, used in sacred theology, to correct errors in metaphysics, and to further support the reasonability of belief.\nThis is a lot different than saying knowing God by reason is the beginning of Wisdom. \nYou can't really know God without error by reason. I know Langley disputes that, but I think that's the truth. \nConsider the Native American. They knew God by reason and nature and myth. They knew God without revelation, but with admixture of error.\nEven St. Thomas knew metaphysics by reason but admixture of error. Consider his false teaching on the Immaculate Conception was derived from Aristotle's false metaphysical notion of ensoulment.",
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"text": "I'm anticipating this thread soon topping 1,000 comments per day.",
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"text": "ensoulment isn't a metaphysical concept; it is a physical concept",
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"text": "John-- sorry, were you directing your comment at some remark of mine?",
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"text": "Is that a yes or a no?",
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"text": "And BTW, as informed Catholics, how can you claim that your understanding of Dogma didn't inform your reasoning to God? That being the case, why don't you study all of it? \nYou don't think Aristotle's metapjysics was without error, do you?",
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"text": "But seriously, Daniel, I love you! Come back!",
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"text": "Aristotle predicated the essential attributes of person to God but not the name or others, viz. one, thinking, and living.",
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"text": "JA Escalante I just got home and come to find, as usual, you beat me to it. It is a biological concept, considering the notion of \"ensoulment\" is in some way the \"form\" of the living thing.",
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"text": "Peregrine it's really hard to take you seriously when you can't tell what falls under physics and what falls under metaphysics",
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"text": "yes, Samantha.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, I agree with you about your two points \" A) it is very unclear what anyone would mean when they say Aristotle talks about a personal God, and B) Aristotle does not speak of God having a will, or providence, in any serious fashion in the admittedly little we have of his thought.\"\nThough I would not say \"very unclear,\" but \"difficult to see,\" perhaps. \nI don't think that my argument concludes such that one must agree with me. It is an historical question, \"Did Aristotle think X\" and consequently is open to a very limited degree of certitude.\nI am content to leave it at that.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "THese guys are all being jerks. Why don't I get to be a jerk? No fair.",
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"text": "be a jerk then",
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"text": "Apparently if I'm a jerk I lose friends. I call double standard.",
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"text": "And Daniel Lendman's actual point was entirely valid, in my opinion, and I think everyone else's: he was just picked on a little by jerks for choosing a suspect example.",
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"text": "Furthermore, PB's first example is support for what the other side is saying, that is, the tribe that comes to know God truly, already had a notion of God. Can anyone imagine a tribe not having a (if mixed with error and not fully formed) notion of God?",
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"text": "Furthermore, PB's first example is support for what the other side is saying, that is, the tribe that comes to know God truly, already had a notion of God. Can anyone imagine a tribe not having a (if mixed with error and not fully formed) notion of God?",
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"text": "Furthermore, PB's first example is support for what the other side is saying, that is, the tribe that comes to know God truly, already had a notion of God. Can anyone imagine a tribe not having a (if mixed with error and not fully formed) notion of God?",
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"text": "Also, if memory serves, God in Aristotle is in the category of substance....if memory serves. And doesn't God move by final causality alone in Metaphysics 12?",
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"text": "Samantha, you can be my friend (in part because I'm probably WAY bigger of a jerk)",
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"text": "oooh it's dinner time.\nTaco Tuesday - on a Wednesday!!!!!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I don't want to be YOUR friend, I want to be Daniel Lendman's friend. Sending you a friend request, though. (who are you?)",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "yeah Beitia who are you",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4\nThe Who - Who Are You?\nMusic video by The Who performing Who Are You?. (C) 1998 Polydor Ltd. (UK)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "This is way more fun than making dinner.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Or working.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "In 1988, however, the Committee report stated that any illegal zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Re the Immaculate Conception--I have no opinion here, nor am I saying that Garrigou-Lagrange is necessarily correct--but this link has some interesting texts from Thomas that suggest that Thomas at the end of his life held that Mary was immaculately conceived: http://taylormarshall.com/.../did-thomas-aquinas-deny...\nDid Thomas Aquinas Deny the Immaculate Conception? (Garrigou-Lagrange)\ntaylormarshall.com\nWe got fired up the other day in our discussion of Blessed John Duns Scotus and the Immaculate Conception.It seems that I may have been to quick to speak by pas",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "It's pretty clear I think Thomas always affirmed the basic idea of the doctrine, while denying the \"how\" account due to his physics",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I haven't been paying attention, does Peregrin just hate philosophy and St. Thomas? Is that a fair summary?",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Peregrine seems to hate TAC, and thinks that philosophy is just a penumbra of revealed theology, pertaining to created things",
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"name": "Katherine Gardner",
"text": "One does not simply \"summarize\" The Thread, Sam. ",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "He always affirmed that she was free from original sin at birth, but the Summa fairly explicitly denies the conception bit. Of course, other texts fairly plainly affirm it. Again, I'm no expert, and if Thomas did hold that she wasn't, I wouldn't be bothered.",
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"text": "but she wasnt asking about the Thread, just about PB",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "So, good thing we study theology, too, then, yes?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Particularly TAC, b/c way too much math, too much philosophy and it doesn't start w/ \"Here are the doctrines of the church. They, and only they, are the data of theology.\" Plus I hear TAC lets Protestants in. Ewwwwwww!",
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"text": "That last bit may not * actually * be an accurate representation of his position. (Though I get the feeling it isn't far from that). In any event, TAC doesn't do enough to instruct its students on what the Church teaches and what they must assent to.",
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"text": "\"\u2234\" all they have written seems as straw.",
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"text": "JA Escalante i like the way you capitalized the Thread. ",
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"text": "Katherine G, were you the first to capitalize?",
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"text": "final causality",
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"text": "its been capitalized for some time, and has its own FB page",
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"text": "An event's final cause is the aim or purpose being served by it.",
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"text": "final causality of The Thread....",
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"text": "Who am I? I am who .... just finished eating tacos. TAC 00",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The Thread has also taken the first faltering steps toward the horizon of self-consciousness, almost like a new Adam. A digital Adam waking up to himself on the morning of a new era of the world.",
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"text": "By the way I am very disappointed to come back and find that nothing was settled after we quieted down enough for the Peregrine to speak his response a few hours ago.",
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"text": "The Thread is hive-mind self actualization. The Bootstrapping of world spirit. Jormungandr",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Insert the monkey scene from 2001 Space Odyssey.",
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"text": "The Neverending Thread",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "How about we take this in a different direction, say, which TAC class is best? TAC06>>> TAC00, for instance",
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"text": "pansies. you couldn't handle the ostrich",
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"text": "you can't \"take\" the Thread anywhere",
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"text": "the Thread takes you?",
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"text": "I don't hate TAC, JA, I just think it is flawed because they tolerate an admixture of error when studying philosophy by denying, from its students, dogma and sacred theology from its curriculum. I think it is not being honest: It leads students to believe that they are receiving a truly Catholic liberal education, when they are not.",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "Mathew Petterson knows to much.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "We don't appropriate the thread. The thread appropriates us.",
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"text": "you see how Peregrott just started this all over again.",
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"text": "Do TACers cringe at mention of emphatic statements of what the Church teaches? Could this be what PB takes offense at? Are they overly questioning of doctrine for PB?",
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"text": "golden thread.",
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"text": "hmmm, that might be true. I got here an hour ago feeling very superior to everyone who had spent their afternoon arguing with PB... now look at me..",
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"text": "John, PB wants a body of doctrine (compendized where and in what, exactly?) to serve as the core of the program, with a plain systematic relation to every subject and text in the curriculum.",
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"text": "hang on, Samantha, you're right 6 tacos are better than none",
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"text": "ostrich tacos.",
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"text": "with no math, JAson",
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"text": "Frank, I've been there. it is a dark place",
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"text": "let us be facebook friends mb.",
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"text": "oh Frank you might not know what you're asking there",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "too late HAHAHAHAHA",
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"text": "The Heaviest Burden. What if a demon crept after you into your loneliest loneliness some day or night, and said to you: \"This Neverending Thread, as you live it at present, and have lived it, you must live it once more, and also innumerable times; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and every sigh, and all the unspeakably small and great in this Thread must come to you again, and all in the same series and sequence - and similarly this spider and this moonlight among the trees, and similarly this moment, and I myself. The eternal sand-glass of the Thread will ever be turned once more, and you with it, you speck of dust!\" - Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth, and curse the demon that so spoke? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment in which you would answer him: \"You are a God, and never did I hear anything so divine!\" If that thought acquired power over you as you are, it would transform you, and perhaps crush you; the question with regard to all and everything: \"Do you want this once more, and also for innumerable times?\" would lie as the heaviest burden upon your activity! Or, how would you have to become favourably inclined to yourself and to The Neverending Thread, so as to long for nothing more ardently than for this last eternal sanctioning and sealing?",
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"text": "Beitia is an elemental spirit, and you have let him into your virtual dwelling",
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"text": "JA, you and me are facebook friends...",
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"text": "I'm vastly nicer than Beitia",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The Thread has really been the Axis Mundi all along in disguise. It runs through all, and all turns about it.",
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"text": "choke the demon with the thread.",
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"text": "Isak you are rapidly becoming one of my fav FB people",
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"text": "5000 is in sight...thalassa! thalassa!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Michael-- I see what you did there. Isak should write science fiction poetry.",
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"text": "axis mundi............",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Any minute now the old gods of all the myths will take hold of The Thread at any point, and rotate it divinely about in a circle, thereby creating a Cosmic Conic Section. All things will emanate from that center point in slowly widening concentric circles when seen at a certain point in time, or event. And Zeus shall dangle Hera in chains from one end of The Golden Thread, and we all shall weep for our children.",
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"text": "metaphysics of the axis mundi and the divine milieu",
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"text": "I'm glad you're enjoying my growing madness JA haha",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "naaaaaaaah the old gods of myth, war-lust and fertility, chance....have never released their hold",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "JA pushed this conversation along with a false suggestion. And may it continue until we find the truth about Faith and Reason. I think Aristotle and St. Thomas would want it that way.",
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"text": "faith is the bridge between reason and the Divine.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "what is the false suggestion, Peregrine?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Is PB the homunculus?",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "pb ain't his name.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "okay, SW",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "oof.... JAson, you're in the bay area, right?:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W959czbBJAA\nHere We Go Again - OPERATION IVY\nLyrics- It's not the ending Its the beginning The ground is moist and it rained last night Smells like smoke and it smells so clean The sun is shining down l...",
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"polarity": 76,
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "I'm waiting for Peregrine to tell me what my \"false suggestion\" was.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i finally figured out Matthew's joke. TNET must form a circle (or extended a cylinder) and we are all hamsters making it return to the beginning. And we are chasing a hopeless cause, pb. I feel really stupid now.",
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"text": "the final causality isn't hopeless.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I don't really have a dog in this fight, but it does sound like Peregrin's proposed curriculum would be BORING",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "What do you mean you don't have a dog in this fight? This is a TAC thing, not a Catholic thing.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "still waiting",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "code duelo, JA?",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "....still waiting",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Though honestly, as has been said, PB's initial questions are interesting. And it is a rare TACer indeed who does not have a laundry list of complaints about the place.",
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"text": "of course! the problem is that PB simply will not admit when his claims have been refuted, and he then repeats the charges ad nauseam",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "John Ruplinger: Hopeless? Joke?\nMaybe, if the return is eternal, it is no longer a return.\nMaybe the joke is real, and the real is the joke.\nMaybe there is no longer any need for hope, nor for chasing, when you become part of The Neverending Thread.\nDon't feel stupid. \nBe. \nBe wise.\nLet the common good of the Thread heal you as part to whole.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "OK, but if the complaint is that TAC isn't Catholic enough, then that's weird, but I'm not sure I care.",
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"text": "Well Samantha it's not simply a complaint, it's an actual claim about the principles and ratio studiorum of the college",
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"text": "a claim which happens to be false",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "And yet - and yet. The longer one refuses to let go and embrace The Neverending Thread, the more one contributes to its being and growth.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "My claims have not been refuted. You and others stated Vat I claims you can know God by reason alone. In fact, you can, but not without admixture of error; as the Native Americans, and even Thomas and Aristotle, can know God by reason alone but not without error. You need an outlay of revelation in dogma and theology to perfect reason.\nThis begs the question: why does TAC not teach this way, yet claims it presents a truly Catholic liberal education.\nIS THIS REASONABLE?",
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"text": "though some of the things he's saying do point to problems within the program, as almost all of us readily admit",
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"text": "I have a question - and call me dim-witted - but who is the Final Arbiter of what is truly a \"Catholic liberal education\"?",
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"text": "MAGISTERIUM",
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"name": "John Haggard",
"text": "Man, we're going to break 5,000!",
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"text": "In a MAGISTERIUM...One MAGISTER...\nComing Soon To A Thread Near You",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "The main problem with the curriculum is that it's not all other curriculums simultaneously. That really sucks about it...",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "You know - maybe we should just only read things written by saints. That'd fix everything.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Even St. Thomas could not know God and metaphysics by reason alone, without some error.\nYou how come you guys say you can?\nHow come you hate dogma?",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Next year people will be giving up The Neverending Thread for Lent.",
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"text": "Peregrine, that's a backpedaling save from your earlier unqualified assertions.\nThe question isn't admixture of error (which might be quite small, actually), the question is whether metaphysics is relatively independent and mostly gets it right about God in the formalities it is able to consider Him under. And it is, and does. Where revelation secures metaphysics is in the very highest principial level (creator/creature distinction, preeminently; but also things we would never know by reason, but don't necessarily deny otherwise, like the Trinity), but revelation needs- your Church's words, not just mine- metaphysics to elaborate itself as a human science. And the metaphysics it thus uses is relatively self-standing.",
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"text": "In the year 2020, the US Bishops will tell American Catholics they must give up The Neverending Thread on all normal Fridays.",
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"text": "Peregrine, what would it take to change your mind?",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Ok, the Magisterium defines what is truly a Catholic liberal education. Is Peregrine representing the Magisterium then?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "How come you guys don't know the relationship between revelation, dogma and theology -- and how it informs metaphysics?\nHow come you claim you can know God without error by reason alone, when you don't know this?",
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"text": "whereas you Peregrine are using the fact of admixture of error, without ever noting whether it is really significant error, to invalidate a relatively self-standing metaphysics and replace it with a \"sapiential wisdom\" which looks like Fideistic gnosis",
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"text": "Just askin.",
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"text": "Pope Peregrine represents nothing. He IS the Magisterium.",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "PB - stop inquisitioning us and ask yourself why you readily assented to... at least 2 different heresies....",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Peregrine come on, you cant even tell the difference between physics and metaphysics, as in the Imm Con discussion! And you're saying *we* have problems with categories?",
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"name": "Liam Collins",
"text": "What I want to know is what sort of computer voodoo Edward Langley is doing to compile those stats on this thread.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Do you guys believe you can know God and metaphysics by reason alone without some error?\nPlease say, yes or no.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "you didn't originally claim \"without some error\". Just acknowledge your mistakes, PB. It wont be the end of the world.",
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"text": "https://i.imgflip.com/bkcf5.jpg\ni.imgflip.com\ni.imgflip.com",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "and man, next time TAC sends me a donation request I am sending the letter back marked \"PAID\"",
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"text": "the irony: JA defending (or explaining rather) magisterial teaching to PB.",
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"text": "JA, do you think you can know God or metaphysics by reason alone, always without error. \nYes or no?",
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"text": "I can't look away from this thread...",
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"text": "Fine, I'll say it. Yes, I believe one can know God and metaphysics by reason alone without some error. All that means is I say it's possible.",
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"text": "St Thomas and the Church state you cannot know God and metaphysics by reason alone, always without error.\nWhat say you, JA?",
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"text": "What say you Daniel?",
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"text": "No they don't.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "What say you, Mr. Langley, Mr. Smarty-pants?",
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"text": "I'd like to see citation for that, Peregrine.",
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"text": "Peregrine, that's not the issue, dear man. The issue is whether the error (if such is always necessary, and it's not clear that it is; see \"easily\") is substantially vitiating, or not. I have already given the orthodox account above. It is not necessarily vitiating enough to render metaphysics impossible without revelation.",
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"text": "Why are you mocking Mr. Langley's intelligence, Peregrine?",
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"text": "To reiterate:\nThe question isn't admixture of error (which might be quite small, actually), the question is whether metaphysics is relatively independent and mostly gets it right about God in the formalities it is able to consider Him under. And it is, and does. Where revelation secures metaphysics is in the very highest principial level (creator/creature distinction, preeminently; but also things we would never know by reason, but don't necessarily deny otherwise, like the Trinity), but revelation needs- your Church's words, not just mine- metaphysics to elaborate itself as a human science",
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"text": "Out of curiosity, what metaphysical error are you claiming St Thomas made? Because all I recall are being pointed out thus far are errors either of physical science or theology proper, not metaphysics.",
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"text": "What say you?\nCan you know God and metaphysics by reason alone, always without error?\nThe Church says no.\nSt. Thomas' error on the Immaculate Conception demonstrates \"no\".\nThis being the case, why do you not teach dogma at TAC? \nIs that reasonable?\nWhat say you?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "^ Bailiff, club this man. ^",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "What would teaching dogma look like? I'm still not clear on how sophomore theology, or senior theology, just to take two examples, fail to qualify.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "but discussing this idiosyncratic Nouvelle Theologie on steroids has been illuminating in certain respects",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "THAT is i think the point he will give in on, JA. viz. What do we get wrong following STA in his metaphysics?",
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"text": "Out of curiosity how do you understand Thomas's error on the immaculate conception?",
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"text": "JA, my good man, if that is your position, then you are ok with error in knowledge, which is crass.",
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"text": "Katie, see above.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Answer the Duda, Peregrott",
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"text": "because it was pointed out, AGAIN, earlier that St. Thomas re IC is not a metaphysical error",
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"text": "just sayin",
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"text": "What you pointed to above were problems w/ Thomas's understanding of physical science, or at most natural philosophy. One could also argue that Thomas also erred theologically in failing to understand Scripture and Tradition. But, at least as far as I can see, Thomas's metaphysical notions have nothing to do with why he didn't accept the immaculate conception.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "so to answer \"what say you?\"\nI say to you, Scott, that you question makes no sense because you have no idea what metaphysics is, since you make such a glaringly STUPID category error",
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"text": "Let me recap. JA et al argue that reason alone is necessary for sacred theology. Church teaches that revelation is necessary to preserve reason from error about God and metaphysics. Escalante does not know how Church teaches revelation in Her dogmas and sacred theology.\nWhat's wrong with this picture?",
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"text": "unless by \"metaphysics\" you mean everything that you haven't defined away as \"sacred theology\" in which case you are a blathering idiot",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Who's argued that reason alone is necessary for sacred theology? I think they've denied it.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "No one ever said \"reason alone\"\nStraw man",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "(takes drink)",
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"text": "for realz, I'm at home now",
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"text": "Peregrine why don't you go ahead and find somewhere where I've said what you attribute to me.",
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"text": "I have one more hour at work...",
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"name": "Thomas Quackenbush",
"text": "I feel like I've never seen any of thing things Peregrine claims except in his own posts. Perhaps he himself thinks these things, and hates himself for it, and is projecting on us as a coping mechanism...",
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"text": "Really Peregrine, go ahead and find somewhere where I've said that",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "People (and the Church) have claimed that God can be known with certainty by reason alone. You do see that this is not the same as saying that reason alone suffices for Sacred Theology?",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "The only reason we are still all in this thread is the length of this thread.\nThe thread has become the cause of the thread.\nThus, this thread participates in divinity, and thus all of us who participate in this thread also participate in divinity.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "The position that disparages the study of metaphysics is ultimately Protestant and/or Kantian. Cf Regansburg Address",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "unfortunately it is a manichean divinity, and we're on the wrong side of it",
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"text": "it's certainly not true that Protestantism disparages metaphysics",
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"text": "But still, we must press on, as participation in opposition is better than ceasing to be....",
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"text": "^actually that's false; I'm a Calvinist",
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"text": "This thread is not an imitation of the divine. It's an imitation of twitter where everyone basically follows everyone else.",
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"text": "I am pretty sure that no body has claimed that reason alone is necessary for theology. Earlier you objected to the claim that it was possible to have knowledge of God by reason alone, contrary to the magisterial pontifications of the pre and post conciliar church. But to suggest that the claim was reason alone was sufficient for theology is crass disrespect for the positions held",
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"text": "hence the \"or\" put up your claws",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^and poor reading skillz",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "In his defense, his argumentum ab ignorantia seems invincible. He doesnt know what metaphysics or metaphor are.",
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"text": "http://massappeal.com/.../thug-life-knuckles-jason...\nmassappeal.com\nmassappeal.com",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "or syllogism or the difference between some and all or.....",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "We must conclude that TAC misleads, with crass ignorance.",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "Is it possible to know cause & effect without the gift of revelation?",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "PB is too hopped up on all the attention he's getting in this thread to read and respond to things that have ACTUALLY BEEN SAID.",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "Is it possible to know of the division of mover and of moved in beings in motion?",
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"text": "Conclude, Scott? Like the conclusion of a metaphor?",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "Facebook is like an irresponsible bartender. If they were looking at this thread, we all would have been cut off by now.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'm just waiting for Langley to recalculate the totals. I've got to be pushing a grand by now",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "wait what there are totals by contributor?",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Of course. *Lights match, sets paper on fire. Repeats*",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Oh yeah.",
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"text": "waaaay back pre 3500",
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"text": "Catechism of the Catholic Church\nII. WAYS OF COMING TO KNOW GOD \n31 Created in God's image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of \"converging and convincing arguments\", which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These \"ways\" of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person. \n32 The world: starting from movement, becoming, contingency, and the world's order and beauty, one can come to a knowledge of God as the origin and the end of the universe. \nAs St. Paul says of the Gentiles: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.7 \nAnd St. Augustine issues this challenge: Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air distending and diffusing itself, question the beauty of the sky. . . question all these realities. All respond: \"See, we are beautiful.\" Their beauty is a profession [confessio]. These beauties are subject to change. Who made them if not the Beautiful One [Pulcher] who is not subject to change?8\n33 The human person: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God's existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. The soul, the \"seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material\",9 can have its origin only in God. \n34 The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality \"that everyone calls God\".10 \n35 Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God's existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.",
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"text": "seriously, Beitia has had me lol more the last two days than the last 4 years from things read on fb.",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "Aaron Dunkel nice catechism quote, but you need to quote from the Magisterium ",
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"text": "or the Deposit of Faith. That is also acceptable...",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Unless you have a Humean epistemology leading to an event ontology, in which case you may think you know cause and effect, but you are wrong. Substance ontology and power model of causality FTW.",
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"text": "Aaron, he already heretically denied VI",
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"text": "I will now quote from the MYSTERIUM: \"blah blah blah blah\"",
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"text": "quote from the Imperium",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "\"we, who are about to die, salute you\"....is that what you are looking for?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I was thinking \"Luke, I'm your father\" but whatever",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "MB, I said \"reason alone,\" but I was being reactionary and provocative. I shall avoid this. It clearly does more harm than good.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "\"Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant\"",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "And now for something completely different: http://youtu.be/jT6i1kw4rEQ\nVIDEO - Dumbass Manages to Set Himself on Fire During Ice Bucket Challenge\n(Gawker.com) - If you had to imagine the platonic form of a failed ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, it would probably involve a guy in camo cargo pants and an Ameri...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Isak, it really makes no difference, IMHO. I'm just here for the lolz anyway",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "This Thread really does need to be immortalized somehow.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "PB: \"We must conclude that TAC misleads, with crass ignorance.\"\nPeregrine, I consider that a slap in the face with your glove. I accept your challenge and insist you choose your weapons. Put up, or shut up.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "oh don't take him seriously (he's on the spectrum)",
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"text": "I'd again like to see citations for Peregrine's assertions. Otherwise it's just \"blah blah blah.\"",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "^really not appropriate for an alumni thread, like really not",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "you should remove it",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "yeah, I'm old and prudish, I'm going to second that",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "mb, he is NOT an heretic. As with faith, reason is PREREQUISITE.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "okay, material heretic",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The spectrum of what, MB?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Get rid of that ear garbage",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum\nAutism spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nen.wikipedia.org\nThe autism spectrum or autistic spectrum describes a range of conditions classified as neurodevelopmental disorders in the fifth revision of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 5th edition (DSM-5). The DSM-5, published in 2013, redefined the a\u2026",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "Aaron Dunkel - WTF was that..............................",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "It's another of my ways of being offensive, Isak",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i now wish i could read his comments. \"Crass ignorance\" eminating from the fence of those teeth. The irony",
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"text": "it was nothing.....mostly an hilarious, but terribly imprudent music video",
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"text": "He's not saying anything worth hearing, Mr. Ruplinger. Take it as a badge of honor I suppose.",
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"text": "At TAC, the story goes, the go from class to class,\nTheir faith is in the seminar where ignorance is crass...",
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"text": "we will forget it ever happened",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Ah yes, my friends, lose an argument by denying dogma, embrace error, and run.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "My mind is boggled.",
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"text": "what dogma have I denied, seriously?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "That is what you've been doing, Peregrine, yes.",
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"text": "and seriously, \"run\" that hasn't happened",
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"text": "We have denied no dogma, embraced no error, and done the opposite of run. What planet are you on, you darling cretin?",
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"text": "Magisterius V, the most repetitive assertion filled planet in the galaxy",
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"text": "Again, Peregrine, I ask for proof of your assertions. You can't simply throw out inflammatory & accusatory comments without backing them up. Text, verse, and volume, please.",
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"text": "oh yes he can",
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"text": "trust me",
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"text": "Okay, strike that: he CAN but he shouldn't. Poor form.",
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"text": "JAson, you've been here since the beginning. I'm raising a glass for you right now",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "If knowledge of metaphysics and God by reason alone is not possible without error, and the Church provides a remedy in Her dogma and theology, why does TAC remain so crass by not allowing the Church's dogma and theology into its curriculum?\nWhy does the college teach that metaphysics is necessary for a full development of theology, when the opposite is true -- metaphysics can only be freed from error by theology informed by dogma.\nWhy did TAC establish its curriculum on this false notion? \nIs this because TAC adheres to Liberalism instead of the truly Catholic liberal arts?\nOr was it because the founders of the college were reactionary?",
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"text": "YES! You uncovered the truth. TAC was established by modernists who cling to the heresy of Americanism and that Masonic invention of Vatican II.",
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"text": "Uhm, Scott, \"metaphysics is necessary for a full development of theology\" \nand \n\"Metaphysics can only be freed from error by theology\"\nare not contradictory",
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"text": "Megan Baird, what assertion? That Thomas erred in metaphysics? Or that TAC errs in its understanding of Faith and Reason?",
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"text": "where did St. Thomas err in metaphysics?",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "In 2020 the bishops will allow children under seven who can read, as well as the old and infirm, to continue to use the Thread on Fridays. But all others will be encouraged to abstain.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "The smell of sulfur greets you as you approach the campus, a sign of the hellfire which lurks behind the gates of the campus.",
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"text": "Peregrine: I guess I'm not clear on how TAC does not \"allow\" the Church's dogma and theology into its curriculum.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "See the peregrine fly from my questions...... chicken really",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Peregrine, are you a traditionalist? Just wondering...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^NO^",
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"text": "he isn't. Trust me",
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"text": "Thomas Aquinas is called the Angelic doctor due to his grasp on sacred theology... and we devote considerable time to studying his work (to say nothing about other doctors of the Church) so, Peregrine, I'm really not seeing your point.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "I guess my University is bad because it now requires taking philosophy before theology.",
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"text": "Uhm, Michael, mr smartest man in the room, who said these were contradictory?\nI just said TAC errs by denying, in principle and practice, that metaphysics without relevation leads to error about God.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "you did, dumbass",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and I quote \"THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE\"",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "*cough* Scotis was wrong about the IC also *cough*",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "PB: \"why does TAC remain so crass by not allowing the Church's dogma and theology into its curriculum?\"\nThis is utter garbage, and anyone with half a brain can see that just by virtue of the fact that TAC students spend TWO FULL YEARS reading Thomas Aquinas himself (THE Doctor of the Church!), TAC as a school does not merely allow the Church's dogma into its curriculum, it wholly supports it. It gives Thomas THE position of importance.\nThe fact that you cannot even grant a modicum of respect to this argument or to the school tells me that you are a willfully ignorant man.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "CUA requires a year of philosophy too! And a semester of theology which may be done either semester ",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "So. Flogiston...",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "pope pb excommunicates neopalagian meanies.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Peregrine, can you please enumerate the errors which Metaphysics reaches without revelation? Clearly enumerate them. Otherwise this shall continue to be a thread full of assertion, counter-assertion, snark, snark, snark, rinse repeat....not that I'm not enjoying the jokes, but seriously, can you please make a list of the errors which are admixed with the truth?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "don't derail this Katie, I finally got him to answer me",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Hey nonny nonny and a ha-cha-cha",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "As an aside, this thread has made my friend list sky rocket. . .",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Megan, TAC does not provide an outlay of the Church's theology informed by dogma. In fact, almost all of its students to not even know what this means. On the contrary, TACs Charter asserts that metaphysics is necessary for the full development of theology. The curriculum of TAC is established on this false claim. This claim is false because metaphysics and knowledge of God is not without admixture of error by reason alone, but only by revelation; hence, the need for an outlay of the Church's dogmatic theology.\nAn example: Thomas and Aristotle erred in metaphysical understanding of the cause of the ensoulment, leading Thomas to argue against the Immaculate Conception.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Everyone is making friends except Peregrine.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "the cause of ensoulment is STILL biological, Scott",
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"name": "Aaron Dunkel",
"text": "Peregrine, do you know whence comes Dogma?",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "JA Escalante i think Peregrine Bonaventure just identified the premise of which he objects.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "therefore, your example is NOT an example",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "But yet another glaring category error",
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"text": "You sound similar to somebody who proposes the outlawing of butchering cattle because you can buy beef at the grocery store.",
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"text": "John Boyer, I just need to list one. Aristotle erred in his notion of ensoulment. Thomas erred on this point also. This was a moral and metaphysical question about the formal unity of man. This error was the reason why Thomas and the Dominicans denied the Immaculate Conception.\nThere are many examples.\nThe Church teaches that God and metaphysics cannot be known by reason alone without admixture of error.\nThe Church sacred and dogmatic theology, informed by revelation, purges metaphysics of error. \nThis is why TAC cannot rest on the claim that metaphysics and reason alone bring the full development of theology. This is why TAC must provide instruction of dogmatic theology, in order for it not to participate in crass ignorance.\nGotta run, people.\nI love TAC.\nWhat, 5000 posts now?\n9000\nWhat say you?",
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"text": "i need to explain my above statement. PB doesnt deny V I as far as i can tell. The real problem is that to be an heretic, you have to understand 2 things: THAT you reject an article; and at least imprecisely at least what that article means. But on both counts, it is doubtful in pb's case. He has shown he cannot grasp words all the while railing against the need for reason to have Faith.",
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"text": "I say that the denial of the Immaculate Conception was BIOLOGICAL",
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"text": "Does it matter if Thomas erred? Does that negate the necessity of metaphysics in explicating divine revelation?",
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"text": "immaculate conception is infallible.",
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"text": "Yes, to him, no to the rest of us. The IC is not a metaphysical point. It is a theological point, the repudiation of which was biological",
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"text": "No. IC is not infallible. It is true.",
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"text": "IC was when the magesterium declared it's infallibility...or maybe I'm wrong.",
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"text": "True, but saying that women don't have souls until X days after conception is a biological point, that was factually wrong.\nThought experiment: what if biology showed that DNA didn't show up until day 14 after implantation? then what?",
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"text": "Of course. I'm word quibbling.",
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"text": "Katie, please help me...was IC the only time the magesterium declared itself infallible.",
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"text": "is the truth infallible?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Who is this Scott Weinberg? What is he like in person? I can't believe the things I'm reading, and I can't believe he's serious. Sometimes he says things that make me think I'm dealing with a human being. Am I?",
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"text": "Frank - only twice did the Pope speak 100% infallibly. The Immaculate Conception, and Mary's Assumption body and soul into Heaven.",
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"text": "I believe the other ex cathedra papal proclamation was the doctrine of the Assumption of the BVM",
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"text": "thanks Isak Benedict",
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"text": "I don't understand the question. I meant only to say that infallible is a word meaning incapable of error. A statement is not infallible but the body declaring it might be",
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"text": "quibbling.... are you back in town?",
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"text": "Isak helped moi...no problem with quibbles.",
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"text": "Beitia. Yes! Mr. Morris. Apologies. I distracted from your question",
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"text": "Ok so we can't read anyone that was ever wrong about any matter is what I'm getting out of this.",
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"text": "I still owe you a drink, and I'd still like to read your dis....",
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"text": "lauren, pope benedict started his letter on faith with nietzsche...you tell me.",
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"text": "what about Pope Peregrott?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia that was a german joke...",
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"text": "Correct, Lauren. That is the way to madness. Everyone is wrong except Pope Grottburg.",
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"text": "Pastor Aeternus indicates a much broader range of infallibility: when he DEFINES a matter of Faith to the whole Church as the supreme teacher.",
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"text": "JPII infallibly taught on abortion and women priests (and one other matter i forget)",
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"text": "Ahhh makes sense. So what is his understanding of the Immaculate Conception? Wait a second! Wasn't the reason it took so long to define because we had to make it \"understandablish\" aka it couldn't be a contradiction. (People during Thomas' time - and before- were saying it happened before conception which doesn't work since there was no human nature at that time) The IC took the Church almost 2000 years to define, it doesn't work well as an example for anything.",
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"text": "HUGE recent slew of articles on whether canonizations are infallible.",
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"text": "i think it's an example that faith, is more pleasing to God than anything else.",
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"text": "John - there are disagreements about whether or not those instances meet all of the qualifications necessary for a teaching to be considered infallible. The two I mentioned are the only ones that meet every single criterion (as far as I know!)",
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"text": "I\"m out",
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"text": "Obviously, for example, canonization is considered infallible too, but not (I think) to the same degree. (Maybe \"degree\" is the wrong word to use there?)",
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"text": "Grace perfecting nature does not mean reading Aristotle in a prayerful posture, as Daniel says.\nIt means reading metaphysics in light of the dogmatic theology of the Church informed by revelation.\nSo, a Catholic curriculum which includes \"theology\" but not the dogmatic theology of the Church, is fraudulent.",
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"text": "that you know. I summarized the criteria. Its in Pastor Aeternus: only 3, maybe 4, criteria. But there is debate and need for clarification.",
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"text": "One thing. It seems to me a tacit lesson of the curriculum is the capability of human error in all sciences. Nonetheless, the human mind is also capable to recognize errors. Theology has of course a greater authority, but aquinas didn't err because he refused to a submit to that authority.",
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"text": "but Katie, at the end, it was all straw...accept the song of songs.",
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"text": "a major long held objection in regard to canonization is that it doesnt involve doctrine but is judgement of a contingent matter. Doesnt mean it shouldnt be held de fide without very serious reasons. And then this is only the opinion of the Roman school. Let me be clear that I have no reason at all to doubt any canonization under the rules of Urban VIII but since their removal some Catholics (not just trads) have been troubled by particular canonizations.",
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"text": "John-- what's the consensus view at this point? I'd find it a bit easier to be Catholic if I didn't have to believe in all canonizations de fide.",
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"text": "Peregrin-- what specifically do you propose TAC should add to the curriculum, so as to teach \"dogmatic theology?\"",
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"text": "the old are very secure. I didnt have doubt til about a month ago. Its ok to hold a doubt imo. I have wavered a bit. I have 4 other reasons too. I have heard some would leave the church recently.",
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"text": "I think, at this point, we need to move into the \"historical-critical period\" of this thread. I propose, therefore, that \"Peregrine Bonaventure\" was not an actual person, but a redactor's combination of three or four different sources that existed at the beginning of the thread.",
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"text": "Mike- Nice try. By definition, TACers don't know how to apply the historical-critical method.",
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"text": "i dont know the consensus. The majority view is, i believe, that they are infallible. But this position itself is not infallible. If u follow.",
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"text": "John,I do, thanks.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz probably knows if there are any authoritative pronouncements on the infallibility of canonizations. I've was taught that they are infallible but I don't know the justification for that.",
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"text": "heh, heh, Samantha! I went to the Catholic University of America in D.C., and we weren't taught anything BUT the historical-critical method. (And, oh yeah, social justice. Because Democrats LOL.)",
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"text": "All canonization indicates, however, is that this person was an example of \"heroic virtue\". It doesn't imply anything about the appropriateness of imitating their particular actions or about the truth of their intellectual positions.",
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"text": "This is interesting, but hardly definitive: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Beatification and Canonization\nwww.newadvent.org\nAccording to some writers the origin in the Catholic Church is to be traced back to the ancient pagan apotheosis\nAugust 27 at 8:57pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJohn Ruplinger definitions. definitions. What is heroic virtue? That is a problem these days.",
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"text": "I guess I'm thinking of cases where the canonizations didn't follow any particular display of evidence but were made for pretty clearly political reasons, Thomas Becket for instance.",
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"text": "Also, there are lots of saints I don't like, so it's petty, too.",
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"text": "Well, I don't think any amount of evidence can ever provide the degree of certitude required.",
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"text": "miracles can be like that.",
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"text": "That is, it seems to me that it is impossible in principle (excluding a universal revelation from God) to provide enough evidence to convince each person in the world that person X really is in heaven from that evidence alone. Consequently, there will always be a gap between the evidence the Church presents for a person's sanctity and the certitude implied by her judgment on the matter.\nI think the evidence (miracles, etc.) relate to canonization the way dialectical arguments about principles relates to intellectus of them (if that analogy makes any sense).",
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"text": "ok....mystery is part of this game. but so is free will. thanks for this thread. i needed a break.",
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"text": "Edward, thanks for the link. And, Samantha, i would be cautious about your seemingly human objections. St. Neri was entirely opposed to Ignatius in life but both are in heaven now.",
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"text": "one of my favorite saints is st. Philomena: no historical record, lots of miracles (Piur IX was personally healed.)",
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"text": "right and it is a matter of precept too which the linked article reminded me of. (That is a matter of obedience.)",
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"text": "The comments are a roller coaster of intelligence and kindness and inanity and error, but the sheer quantity is what continues to amaze me",
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"text": "You know what would be droll, Edward? If there were some way of figuring out, not the number of comments or quantity of words, but the physical length of The Thread. I realize, since it is Threadness itself, that such a question is silly. But maybe if it could be printed out on a roll of paper, we might be able to approximate its near-infinite nature?",
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"text": "In all seriousness, I was thinking a roll of teletype paper, like Kerouac's \"On The Road.\"",
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"text": "A wise man speaks because he has something to say, Bonaventure. A fool, because he has to say something. Do you feel better after that little piece of condescension?",
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"text": "Freshman theology should include an intro to dogmatic theology, because revelation is not just the Bible, but the Bible and tradition informing the Church's dogmatic theology. Then would be reading the Bible in context, as a formal unity, not just as a book. This would be the first fix.",
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"text": "Al Pacino as Josh Kenz.",
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"text": "You could never throw me Isak. But trust is not impossible.",
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"text": "Did you just call yourself fat? Haha",
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"text": "Great. Any examples or explanations of what such an intro would be?",
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"text": "i was thinking, it has to be an American. Peterson should be Morgan Freeman",
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"text": "Wait - so I could never throw you, but I could also throw you? The man is a schizophrenic. Someone please get him some help!",
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"text": "Yes, you could start with the Church's dogmatic theology on the Immaculate Conception. This is original source material. You could add this to when you read the Book of Revelation or the Wisdom Books. That would be very easy and good.",
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"text": "And Matthew J. Peterson more as a Jeff Bridges character.",
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"text": "You could add the dogmatic theology on faith and reason too, all original source, during the Wisdom books, or even during the Pentateuch. This would be great, fun and easy to do. There is an ongoing dialogue between the two traditions. Dogma supports and perfects it.",
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"text": "But call me Peregrine.",
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"text": "You're incredible, Peregrine. May I peel you a grape?",
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"text": "Perhaps Your Excellency requires a footstool? I would offer my own back, but it is too unworthy for Your Wisdom to rest his superior feet upon.",
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"text": "I was thinking One Flew Over, actually.",
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"text": "So close! Be kind, children.",
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"text": "Kind? mmm.... nope",
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"text": "Hey Kenz.... talk to me when you crack the top five",
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"text": "Is everyone waiting to jump on 5000?",
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"text": "Probably.. I missed 4000 by one today so screw it, I'm not trying again",
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"text": "Is \"I think so\" worse than \"at\"",
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"text": "haha, congrats mr. beitia you are the winner",
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"text": "Do I get a pony? I've always wanted a pony",
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"text": "\"I'm not trying again...\"",
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"text": "http://1001bottlesofbeer.com/.../04/812-Haywards-5000.jpg\n1001bottlesofbeer.com\n1001bottlesofbeer.com",
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"text": "no, pretty sure it was you",
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"text": "anyway, doesn't matter.... now that we've reached 5000 I can sleep comfortably.",
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"text": "apparently so can everyone else.",
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"text": "Can you imagine freshmen reading about the immaculate Conception! We might as well jump to the Trinity! Also Freshmen theology comes from St Augustine's advice to familiarize once self with scripture before embarking deeper into theology. Also part of the point is teaching us sola scriptura doesn't work and we come out of freshmen year appreciating that we do need the teaching Church.",
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"text": "Commenting on this thread is starting to feel like fighting your way to the very front of a train that's hurtling towards a cliff. And infinity is over the edge.",
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"text": "Lauren - exactly. You are taking much more seriously than I that latest grand insanity from Pope Venturegrine.",
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"text": "Lauren you're so right. I came to TAC as an atheist, who had read the Bible (as a reference) several times. It is an underlying, like counting is to arithmetic",
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"text": "Well, I thought I would try. Listening to freshmen discuss scripture was hard enough... The immaculate conception would have been suicidal.",
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"text": "What you said.",
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"text": "and the funny thing is, one can have the truths of the faith presented to them, and still take it as a cultural reference: \"the Catholics believe such and such\" \"for the Zen Buddhists, the ultimate goal is Nirvana\" blah blah blah. Just because it is presented doesn't mean it requires any assent other than from a cultural-historical perspective",
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"text": "Positions available: my new start up 12 stepper: TNET A",
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"text": "I took John's method and I'm now free from TNET",
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"text": "World Spirit Networking recommends TNET. And WE NEED DONATIONS.",
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"text": "This could always end up on twitter with #tnet",
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"text": "I prefer #gnosis",
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"text": "Either way, this thread reminds me of twitter back around 2009.",
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"text": "Moses supposes his toes are roses, but Moses' gnosis is erroneous",
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"text": "Btw, I've seen a single TACer screw in a light bulb on multiple occasions. Thanks work study!",
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"text": "when michael returns, tell him i have a first 5 are free discount in the 8128 step program.",
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"text": "Michael is here I think?",
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"text": "Edward Langley. The Church has not definitively taught on the infallibility of canonizations. Benedict tried to underscore it by ceasing to do most beatifications, restoring the old way of having someone else doit. A beatification of course is either merely permissive for veneration, or only orders veneration for a particular Church, order, group, etc. It is because of the universality of canoization that an argument can be made. In condemning the Council of Pistoia, the Church required it to be held that in matters of universal discipline, the Church cannot impose anything on the faithful positively harmful. So while a better practice may exist, the UNIVERSAL discipline cannot be positively harmful.\nCanonization is at least, in form, a universal discipline, even if, nowadays, not every saint is actually venerated by all the faithul (via Mass e.g.)\nSt. Thomas wrote on this (my translation)\nThe argument for the infallibility of canonization rests solely on it affecting the universal prayer of the Church. If the saints we pray to were actually in hell, the Church's worship is in vain.\nWhether all saints which are canonized by the Church must be in glory, or may some of them be in Hell?\nAnd it seems that some can be in Hell, of those who are canonized in the Church\nFor no one can be certain of the state of another, just as he himself of himself, since what belongs to a man, no one knows but the spirit of the man, which is in himself, as it says in I Cor. 2:11. But man cannot be certain of himself, whether he is in the state of salvation, for it is said in Eccl. 9:1, \"No one knows, whether he be worthy of hate or love.\" Therefore, the Pope knows much less, therefore he can err in canonizing.\nFurthermore, whoever in judging begins with a fallible means can err. But the Church in canonizing saints begins with human testimony, since she inquires through witnesses about the life and miracles. Therefore, since the testimony of men is fallible, it seems that the Church can err in canonizing the saints.\nBut against this, in the Church there cannot be a damnable error. But this would be a damnable error, if one were venerated as a saint who was a sinner, since some knowing his sins would believe this to be false, and it such were to happen, they could be led to error. Therefore the Church cannot err in such things.\nFurthermore, Augustine says in a letter to Jerome, that if in the canonical Scripture some lying is admitted, our faith, which depends on the canonical Scripture, would be shaken. But just as we are held to believe that which is in the sacred Scripture, just so that which is commonly determined by the Church. Whence he is judged a heretic who opines against the determination of the Councils. Therefore, the common judgment of the Church cannot be erroneous, and thus the same as said above.\nI respond that it must be said, that something can be judge possible considered according to itself, which related to something extrinsic, is found to be impossible. Therefore, I say that the judgment of those who preside in the Church can err in whatever matter, if in respect to their persons only. But if divine providence is considered, which directs His Church by the Holy Spirit that it may not err, just as He promised in John 9, \"that the coming Spirit shall teach every truth,\" namely in things necessary for salvation, it is certain that it is impossible for the judgment of the universal Church to err in those things which pertain to faith. Whence, the statements, pronounced in judgment by the pope to whom it pertains to make determinations about the faith, are to stand more than the opinions about Scripture of any of the wise whatsoever. Since it is read that Caiphas, although he was unworthy, since since he was pontiff, also prophesied unknowingly, John 11:51. But in other statement which pertain to particular facts, as when it treats of possessions or crimes or others of this sort, it is possible for the judgment of the Church to err because of false witnesses.\nBut the canonization of the saints is a mean between these two. Since, nevertheless, the honor which we exhibit to the saints, is a certain profession of the faith, by which we believe in the glory of the saints, it must be piously believed that the Church is also unable to err in this.\nTo the first, therefore, it must be said that the Pontiff, to whom it belongs to canonize saints, can be made certain of the state of another through the inquisition of life and the attestation of miracles, and precisely through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, who examines all things, even the profound things of God.\nTo the second it must be said, that divine providence preserves the Church lest in such things it is deceived by the fallible testimony of men\nQuodlibet IX, q. 8 ad 2",
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"text": "Sooo.... In dumb man's terms",
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"text": "ie tl;dr",
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"text": "Some of the Church can err in its discipline, even worship. The whole Church cannot. Beatiication is \"some of the Church,\" canoniztion is all of it.",
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"text": "Ok, that's what I thought.",
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"text": "^nice recovery^",
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"text": "It looks to me that what it comes down to is that there is a widely held theological opinion that canonization is an exercise of infallibility, but no definitive statement to that effect.",
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"text": "Quite. And as far as I can see, there is not likely to be one!",
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"text": "The CE article Edward linked is more comprehensive bvt STA gives the best reason for it.",
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"text": "By the way John Ruplinger, this is a long time coming - sorry I was so belligerent back in the 600s of this thread. I do believe I misunderstood your jokes.",
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"text": "that was another era. Lots of misunderstanding.",
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"text": "I took nothing personal and its hard to see people's intent or expression behind a screen.",
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"text": "That's what ALL CAPS ARE FOR! ANGRY TYPING! ",
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"text": "i am also belligerent and rash. Hard to know how it appears.",
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"text": "Sooooooo, any thoughts on Descartes's ontological argument? What do y'all remember about it from junior year? (I'm outsourcing lecture prep due to getting home late)",
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"text": "OR TO BE SEEN over the mellifluous lalagations of pb.",
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"text": "How many people on this thread are teachers...?",
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"text": "me sometimes",
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"text": "I mean, claim a teaching job on tax documents. You know what i mean!",
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"text": "Yup",
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"text": "Peterson is",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman is a grad student. Don't know if he teaches any classes...",
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"text": "Not me, anymore, thank God",
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"text": "BACK to the canonization question, my objection derives from the same principle as Aquinas. It is serious matter. I wish it were not so. But the Faith itself is at stake. I leave it at that and say only I am certain of the Church's indefectability.",
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"text": "I can imagine an argument for non-infallible canonization which wouldn't compromise the principle of indefectibility or anything else essential to RC belief",
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"text": "Mr. Escalante I have seen such arguments too. But they are hard to reconcile with the, albeit hard to state the authority of, condemnation of Pistoia (the Church has a habit of list 100 propositions, and then say they are all heretic, savoring of heresy, favorable to sectarianism and/or offensive to pious ears, without saying which is which)",
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"text": "what proposition is condemned? . . . Forget it. I just took in your whole statement, but i think i will revert to my much safer opinion. So thanks, Joshua and Edward. (I have a narrower argument that doesn't affect infallibility of canonization. Maybe i will pm you.)",
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"text": "I'm getting paid to teach too, Megan...hahaha",
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"text": "\"To al newe professirs and teacheres about to teache: Ye are awesome. An invisible & beneficent unicorn shal protect yow on yower first daye.\" \u2014@LeVostreGC",
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"text": "But do not despair, John - for it has also built your cradle.",
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"text": "Back to Peregrine's statement: \"Reading Scripture without Tradition and dogmatic theology is what Protestants and atheists do.\"\nWhat say you? I don't see this being answered. \nI don't agree with Scott. I think a fair reading of the text is permissible by Catholics without being somehow framed by doctrine first. Can't it be read first at face value?",
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"text": "A propos of nothing, did you all know that today is Hegel's birthday? Born August 27th, 1770.",
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"text": "As usual with Peregrine, he has some interesting things to say mixed in with balderdash. I do not entirely disagree with that statement, insofar as it is quite true that the Protestant approach to Holy Scripture is \"Sola,\" as it were, while the Catholic approach is guided by Church tradition.\nThat does not therefore mean that to read the Bible, say, for example, as literature, (or any other non-magisterial way) is to be a Protestant or atheist. I think there is much fruit in sometimes reading it the way one might read, say, The Iliad. As long as one does not do so exclusively. Does that make sense, Jody? I'm sort of thinking as I go here.",
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"text": "I find the \"There's no personal God in Aristotle\" clich\u00e9 tiresome. What to be people really mean by that? If what they mean is that Aristotle did not have a concept of the person then it's just obvious. But notice that they never say \"Aristotle does not think that human beings are persons,\" which is just as obvious is that sense. But if they mean that Aristotle denies something essential to the person of God, then it's demonstrably false, as the opposite is true.\nI don't find it surprising that Matthew J. Peterson takes up this vacuous clich\u00e9, since it gives him ammunition for his war on \"TAC's idea of an anhistorial Aristotlethomas,\" but I'm slightly surprised that you take up the clich\u00e9 Samantha since Caleb is so good at exploding similarly vacuous clich\u00e9s about Aristotle's teaching on the soul.\nFWIW Frederick Copleston gives exactly the same argument as Big Angry Daniel and Edward Langley above:",
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"text": "Wasn't the question of a personal god in Aristotle a question that only arose later, in Neoplatonism and then with the Arabs? It was fundamentally a question of what sort of CAUSES his god knows. THAT he knows is manifest.",
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"text": "Yeah, Pater, as I see it there are two ways to approach the question: historically by asking \"did Aristotle think God is a person\" and philosophically \"did Aristotle attribute to God the characteristics of a person\".\nHistorically the question is trivial, since the philosophical/theological notion of \"person\" arose with the attempts to model the Trinity.\nPhilosophically, the question is \"is the definition of person, 'individua substantia rationalis naturae' applicable to the God Aristotle describes. I think it is and it is trivial to show this: rational here just means \"having an intellect\". Aristotle's God has an intellect and is a substance. Q.E.D.\nWhat's more difficult (and impossible) is for Aristotle to determine how many individual substances God is. But even there, Aristotle has some hint of the truth: doesn't St. Thomas quote Aristotle's De Caelo as having some threeness.\nObviously all the implications of being a person aren't explicit in Aristotle, but that's immaterial.",
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"text": "Also, LONG LIVE ARISTOTHOMAS",
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"text": "This is all backwards. The question of person-hood in God or gods (historically) has nothing to do with the Trinity. It's a question about God's relation to people.",
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"text": "So, e.g., we assert God's personhood as the God of Abraham.",
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"text": "Aristotle's god doesn't do this sort of thing.",
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"text": "No, it's not. You and Copleston are treating this in far to pat a manner.",
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"text": "As I alluded to above, the question is about what sort of causes god understands.",
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"text": "Also, I've heard a passage in the Eudemian Ethics cited where Aristotle claims that when an ignorant man performs a virtuous action, he was inspired by the first cause. But I've never been able to find such a passage.",
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"text": "Does god understand universal causes only? If so, then he / she is in no sense a personal god.",
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"text": "I took Daniel Lendman's claim to be \"Aristotle knew that God is a person but not that God was three persons\". Matthew J. Peterson asked for evidence and several of us responded in various ways.",
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"text": "If, however, god understands e.g., what makes me want to go to Burger King at 1 am, then god is a personal god.",
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"text": "On the question of God's knowledge, I say read Thomas DeKoninck's article in the Review of Metaphysics.",
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"text": "You should engage with the claim I'm making, and not tell me to go read an article I've long ago read.",
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"text": "This is very much a problem of Neoplatonic philosophy and Arabic philosophy, the two parts of philosophical history that TAC casts a blind eye upon.",
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"text": "personal is from person: an individual intellectual substance [ that can be personable or standoffish]",
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"text": "I'm saying that you're argument is incidental to the sense we're using \"personal\" here.\nI grant that it's hard to determine what Aristotle thinks God knows and thus it's hard to determine if Aristotle's God is a \"personal\" God in the sense you're using, but I reiterate, no one besides you is thinking of \"personal\" in that way.",
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"text": "If you want to insist that \"personal\" doesn't bear these two senses, I'm not sure how to proceed",
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"text": "\"And in this corner...\"",
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"text": "I was avoiding saying that \"Aristotle knew that God is a person\" because that could imply that Aristotle knew that God is _one_ person, which would be false.",
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"text": "But isn't Copleston just blowing smoke ... ? Secudum rem ... ? That doesn't persuade me.",
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"text": "Coppleston is saying that \"God is (one or more) individual substances having a rational nature\"",
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"text": "But, rereading, I won't defend Coppleston: (a) because I don't like his style and (b) because I'm not sure I have enough context to judge his claims.",
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"text": "God's nature is beyond reason ... all three of the monotheistic traditions affirm this. ... anyway, what I'm trying to say, is that it's too pat to simply assert Boethius' definition of personhood and then look back to Aristotle and say his god (a thinking of thinking!) was a person.",
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"text": "Fair enough.",
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"text": "Katherine Gardner, just noticed what the intent of your comment was. ",
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"text": "The implication you're drawing, Daniel, sounds like it would rule out anything besides negative theology. As a Thomist and a Catholic, I'd disagree.",
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"text": "I would claim that it's Augustinus (and probably earlier fathers) who claim personhood (i.e.: knowledge of all causes, universal and particular) for God. I'll stick with Augustine, as he's the one I know best: it's in his refutation of Cicero's argument against divine foreknowledge in City of God that he claims God knows all causes (necessary and free, particular and universal).",
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"text": "What do you think of the Dionysian superessential predication?",
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"text": "I just realized James Layne hasn't been made one with the Thread",
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"text": "This is my thread. There are many like it, but this one is mine.\nMy thread is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.\nMy thread, without me, is useless. Without my thread, I am useless. I must fire my thread true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...\nMy thread and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...\nMy thread is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my thread clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...\nBefore God, I swear this creed. My thread and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.\nSo be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!",
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"text": "Aristotle seems to think that God doesn't know particulars directly, but a lot would depend on what God's relation to the gods is, since they do (vide Bodeus); and if the gods are somehow God, then He does in a way know particulars",
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"text": "Edward, there are several steps missing there, and that's a somewhat Thomistified reading of Aristotle. In case Pater Edmund is right, Aristotle's God is most definitely Mind and \"substance\", and thus \"personal\" in the philosophic sense",
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"text": "With friends like JA! ... not to dodge the question on Dionysius, but at bottom I'm more interested in an ethnological (and at the same time religious) concept of personhood. It's realized by Abraham in God's promise of Isaac (and subsequent command for sacrifice and salvation), it's realized by the Apostles in the Transfiguration or, at the very latest, at Pentecost, and it's realized by Muhammad in the revelation of the Qur'an by the angel Gabriel. Prescinding from the question of the truth or falsity of those experiences for a moment, THAT is a PERSONAL God (in the thick sense!).",
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"text": "No. You mistake my meaning Pater.",
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"text": "I'm applying that to God's knowledge.",
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"text": "to be fair Dan is just saying that is what *divine* personhood would entail given what person is in the stipulated sense, and what God is",
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"text": "Maybe JA is right ... I am getting a bit crankypants, which sounds like something Nina Gapinski would say ...",
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"text": "but Dan the question of revelation isn't that simple a criterion. The Greeks had oracles, and those oracles were of the gods, and if the gods are somehow God (emanations, whatever), then its mediated revelation, but still somehow God talking to men; a lot like the Vodoun distinction between the lwa (who talk to us) and Bondye (who doesn't directly), but the lwa *are* Bondye in refraction; I think Aristotle thinks something like this, more or less",
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"text": "I'm viewing on my phone and something must be wrong here! I keep clicking \"view previous comments,\" but there is no end (or maybe it's malfunctioning). What the hell happened? This will make good reading tomorrow. Thanks for notifying me, Joshua Kenz.",
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"text": "I'm not sure ... in this case, however, what are we to make of the rather strong anti-personal nature of Plato's gods? As Plato tells it, at least, through Socrates, when the gods are like Zeus and Hera, this just leads us into absurdities. The poets lie.",
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"text": "I think if the world is eternal (which is at least the supposition in Physics VIII), then you need a first mover (a thinking of thinking) who never changes.",
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"text": "I guess you could have lower, planetary intelligences who are \"personal\" in some sense. Interacting with us in some way ...",
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"text": "True. As Augustine shows in his City of God.",
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"text": "Hold on....are you implying if the world is not eternal, you can have a first mover that changes?",
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"text": "You COULD ... but you need not. The world's eternality requires a god who never changes, but a world which begins in time (it seems to me) could have a changeable or an unchangeable source.",
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"text": "Who exorcized the Pythian oracle?",
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"text": "I mean, Thomas' God or Lucretius' \"swerve\" ... both are consistent with a world that begins.",
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"text": "Maimonides would back me up here I think.",
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"text": "What?!!! Are you saying that, as far as the evidence the world gives, God could be changeable? Or that it could have a source other than God?\nIt seems to me that while there is a particular argument based on a supposed eternity of the world (cf the \"5 Ways\" in the Summa contra gentiles, particularly the second), every argument for God ends with his unchangeability",
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"text": "(by ends I means leads to, not as if it is the final end of reasoning). Changeable things need an unchangeable source, all the more so if the world is not eternal",
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"text": "What did Croesus' test of all the famous oracles show about their knowledge?",
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"text": "But Lucretius' swerve is not the origin of the universe, even in Lucretiu",
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"text": "Why? I mean, I don't want to get into defending Lucretius here ... I never much cared for his poetry, but doesn't his changeable world have a changeable (i.e., random, chance-based) source?",
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"text": "The swerve is not the source of the world. It is the source of things not determined (free will e.g.)",
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"text": "And I was more thinking about the truth of the matter, not a listing of what some pagan thought. Not has someone claimed, but I asked youwhat youclaim about the actual evidence",
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"text": "This world as we know it would not have come into existence were it not for the swerve of atoms in the void.",
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"text": "this is the book I was referring to earlier, for any interested:\nhttp://www.sunypress.edu/p-3247-aristotle-and-the...\nAristotle and the Theology of the Living Immortals\nwww.sunypress.edu\nAristotle and the Theology of the Living Immortals",
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"text": "I guess all I would care to defend at this point is the possibility of a non-eternal world with a changeable first cause.",
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"text": "but a changeable first cause is an absurdity",
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"text": "I don't know ... what about an anthropomorphic deity who decides not to create a world ... then later he changes his mind and creates one?",
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"text": "in literature, sure, the world can be created by a mutant ninja turtle; but in reality, the world has to have an unchanging first cause",
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"text": "Okay. That I all I was getting at. Note that many people who talk a lot about a \"personal God\" end up denying His immutability (open theism eg).\nNow the only problem is, since you hold an immutable God (right) you are claiming that one cannot clearly see the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, and understand by the things that are made; His eternal power also, and divinity.\nAgain we are not interested in what someone might hypothesize, but in what the truth is. God is immutable. If the world does not require an unchanging first cause, in se, then we do not get to God through reason, at least not on those grounds.",
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"text": "What would Nietzsche say about fairytale and metaphysics? ... but more to the point, I think I see what you are saying. If there is to be a first cause (which there need not be), then the first cause must be unchanging.",
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"text": "I think Aristotle shows very clearly in his Physics that, for a world whose existence is infinite (or at least not bounded) in its duration, then a first mover is necessary.",
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"text": "The common assumption is that Aristotle takes the more difficult case, in choosing the eternal world, right? Because if it's finite, it's (supposedly) much easier to prove...",
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"text": "Okay, but that does not mean that if the world is not eternal, a first mover is not necessary.....quite the opposite. The main argument gathered from the Physics amounts to the 1st way, which is all about the hic et nunc of motion",
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"text": "Like I already warned you all a few times, here I go, but just for today (I promise). Some Augustinian soul music for the Feast of St. Augustine: http://samueldrocha.wix.com/late-to-love\nlate-to-love\nsamueldrocha.wix.com",
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"text": "@Brian, I don't think your argument works, but lack time.\nIn brief, I think you confuse the argument for what in God corresponds to the name person with the argument for whether God is personal.\nIn question 29, Aquinas splits those two questions: article three shows that the name person applies to God using roughly the argument I've laid out above. Article 4 shows that person signifies relation in God.\nI don't see anything in 29.3 that Aristotle wouldn't assent to.",
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"text": "I see plenty in 29.4 (which I had meant to cite above), though, that Aristotle wouldn't assent to. Like the last line of the corpus and ad.3. It's not just that \"person signifies relation in God\", but that \"person\" properly signifies relation (secundum dici, that is, and real relations at that [28.1]).\nBut since it's almost 3 am, I'll concede that I might be talking out of the wrong orifice here.",
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"text": "Would 29.3 ad 4 be what Aristotle signifies in Meta Bk. 12? \"Substance\" can be applied to God in the sense of signifying self-subsistence.\" I feel that's stretching it.",
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"text": "Edward Langley can you use your computer voodoo to give us some stats on the authors cited by St Thomas (both in the Summa and more generally). There's a ranking somewhere of the citations in the IIa Pars, but I haven't been able to find one of the whole summa, or of the complete works.",
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"text": "I can try to think of another innocuous example.",
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"text": "See, this is the kind of wild speculation Perebonburg has been warning us about. Really? Did Aristotle believe in a personal god? Flying waaaay too high there, guys. \nJohn: the only parts about the pagans I remember from City of God is the chapter(s) on Priapus. Of course, they skip those parts at TAC, but hilarious nonetheless.",
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"text": "And to reply to what Joshua Kenz wrote earlier, trust me, having a day job does *not* preclude breaking the top twenty, provided you're willing to blow off your job.....",
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"text": "lot of confusion about the gods. Reading Acts and St Paul's exorcism and the need for interpretation as well as remembering one oracle in Herodotus that confessed it was deliberately deceiving and other things convinced me they were frauds or devils. Plutarch was a pagan priert (Apollo?) who noted the oracles stopped sometime after Christ. . . anyways i was always interested in them. By Themistacles clever interrpretation he saved Greece at Salamis a lot like Odysses in bk 2 interpreting the sign to his own ends (Iliad). . . .",
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"text": "I suppose there are 3 options with oracles/priests\n1: they are insane (mantis/manic?)\n2: they are deceiving for their own ends (glory/offerings)\n3: they communicate with the divine/diabolical",
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"text": "as to the gods, they are all called devils in the Bible and both Augustine and Chrystotum are good authorities and convincing. IMO most the ancient wise thought them devils or frauds too. But that is a looong argument.",
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"text": "Probably depends on the circumstances. Isn't there a fairly Christological prophesy given by the sibyl in Virgil's Georgiacs?",
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"text": "I was reading an article some years back that claimed that the cave of the sibyl had toxic volcanic fumes in it, so that's why the prophesies came out of there, oxygen deprivation or some such thing. But the modern world rejects option 3 wholesale",
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"text": "the \"genuine\" oracle was clearly possessed herself viz. Delphi and Pythia (or are those 2 the same. I forget. I think are tap water comes from Lethe.)",
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"text": "it was Pythia I was reading about, that is in Italy, if I'm not mistaken, whereas Delphi is in (or around) Greece. Were's JAson when you need him. I'm sure he'd know",
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"text": "The Sybil does complicate things. And God can make devils speak the truth too.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund-- My comments on personhood in Aristotle were not endorsed by my husband, and do not necessarily reflect his views. He wasn't home at the time (or I would not have been on the Thread). But, disclaimers aside, I consulted with him when he got home, and he agreed that to refer to Aristotle's God as \"willing\" is well outside what we have of his thought. He did say, though, that he wouldn't object too much to someone using Boethius' definition of \"person\" to refer to Aristotle's God. So. I suppose I partly recant.",
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"text": "this is clearly gnostic and inspired by Christian tradition:\nhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/sib03.htm\nBook I.\nwww.sacred-texts.com\nAnnouncement, 1-5. Creation of the earth and man, 6-47. First sin and penalty, 4...See More",
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"text": "Samantha, don't you mean \"sed contra\"",
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"text": "The reason I would say Aristotle's god isn't personal and not say that about Aristotle's views of humans is precisely because I deny that Aristotle views God as personal in the way that humans are obviously personal",
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"text": "And overall, I quite sympathize with Matthew J. Peterson's crusade (if there is one) against the a-historical Aristothomas taught at TAC, if for no other reason than that it is quite embarrassing to go off to grad school and mistake a view of THomas' for a view of Aristotle, get called on it, then spend the rest of class rooting around in the text before you realize your mistake.",
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"text": "but they only see what God allows. They are also blind. I Iove Croesus' test (herodotus) which discovered only 2 \"true\" oracles but they only knew the present in that test.",
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"text": "it's interesting to inquire into the examples of oracles. They require layers of interpretation beginning with the priests interpreting the ravings of a possessed woman. . . . . I could make modern comparison but may offend pious ears.",
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"text": "Odysseus' interpretation of the snake eating the birds is too clever. Its real significance is nearly opposite imo (but that i take as the poet's own invention).",
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"text": "That's sort of the catch when reading philosophy, one has to distinguish between what the author is saying, what commentators are saying, and what is true. It is the movement between those three that seems to cause a lot of confusion, if not explicitly stated.\nfor example:\n1 Aristotle does not state \"personal god\" \n2 St. Thomas says you can know it\n3 God is personal",
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"text": "granted, but a lot of classes and a lot of people use intermediate sources, and unless it is specifically claimed, there can be a lot of confusion. Someone above, for example, cited Copleston.",
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"text": "and I think that's one of the things that TAC does right, excepting the Thomas/Aristotle issue. \nSamantha, do they still read Lenin on motion? That was an absolute waste",
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"text": "I'm still waiting for a refutation of anything I said or claimed.\nOr any of the evidence I asked for.\nBut, to at least prevent more assumptions about what I think: I think there is interesting evidence in Aristotle's \"other\" Ethics and elsewhere (Cicero's quote from one of his dialogues) as to what Aristotle thought about God that tends towards what TACers want to say.\nAnd it is true, as Pater Edmund says, that many who say \"Aristotle's God wasn't a personal God\" then proceed to make tiresome points. But the point itself isn't tiresome at all. It's rather obvious.\nAnd yes, feeding the Thomistotle is a dangerous and ignorant thing to do, and it can be philosophically and theologically harmful, and most graduates are relatively clueless about why this is problematic.\nIn the scholarship, the other side usually goes too far (Harry Jaffa trying to separate Aristotle's Ethics from St. Thomas, for instance, in \"Thomism and Aristotelianism\", a fine book for TAC grads to read). \nNow, I usually oppose that side in terms of scholarship insofar as Aristotle seems more open and less contradictory to the Faith than they let on.\nBut Ron M. liked that book and had Jaffa come to TAC for a reason. \nMost TACers need to think more carefully about what Aristotle did and didn't say. I find most grads do not even think about this issue.\nTAC grads will tend to think that Aristotle knew God as personal and proved natural law (which he talks about once, in the Rhetoric), etc.",
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"text": "don't forget the special gnosis, Matt. oh, and good morning and welcome to the TNET",
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"text": "Croesus, in brief: sent messengers to all famous ancient oracles to inquire on a certain day at a set time, \" what is Croesus secretly cooking right now?\" it was an impotable bastardization of turtle stew btw",
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"text": "I only recanted of my vociferous tone. Very partial recanting.",
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"text": "In short, they will say laughable things to serious scholars of Aristotle. They may be onto something but they would be destroyed by most serious scholars on the issue without being far more knowledgeable and careful.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger:\nOne of the problems is that what is at stake in this issue is the role of reason in human life - it is easy for those with Faith to baptize Aristotle and call the whole thing off: Faith and reason - BOOM - it all just works together, no problems. Of course, I am preeminently FOR the copious reading of Aristotle and St. Thomas, which I think is the best part of TAC, intellectually speaking.\nWhich, I might remind everyone, is made manifest in the status above.",
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"text": "Maybe this makes me a bad student, but I had no idea there were different types of Thomist when I started my MA. Or why they thought what they do. And everyone of course presupposes that I fit a mould I didn't know I fit (Lavalian). Just a minor gripe.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I think your point waaaaay above about Aristotle's god obviously being a personal God is a good one, but it isn't something Aristotle explicitly says. And I think you conflate what is \"per se\" to the wise with what is \"per se\" to all.\nFurthermore, what is evident using Aristotle's own principles and what Aristotle himself recognized are not the same. The De Anima may not be contrary to a Christian idea of the will, it may in fact support that notion beautifully, but De Anima itself does not recognize or discuss or in any way suggest that Aristotle had any explicit understanding of it. It would be like if someone were able to, I don't know, trisect the angle using only Euclid's Elements, and, for the sake of argument, let us say that this construction was certain, and true, and even elegantly simple. Nevertheless, there is no evidence that Euclid had any knowledge of this, even though he knew all the principles.",
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"text": "ON my part i dont know whether aquinas baptized aristotle or not. It is an important question and i waver back and forth. I at least have to reread all of both again. What is of note is that aristotle is not at all straight forward at least in those works i recently reread. He forces the rereader to engage in dialogue or dialectic. I at least can see where the Straussians are coming from but i withhold judgement on these controversies for not having read enough and merely maintain that one can do no better than to learn at the feet of plato, aristotle and aquinas but the last is preeminant for he was angelic and enlightened by faith.",
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"text": "Joel HF: Bwhahaha...I have no idea how so many people know so much about what I actually think about anything.\nOf course, \"Lockistotle\" is, by definition, an absurdity.\nBut the questions surrounding Locke and Aristotle are similar (they are different, but are they intrinsically contradictory, etc.).\nSo to play my role in this crowd, and since you have provoked me, let me be provocative:\nJohn Locke speaks much more clearly about what all men call a personal God than Aristotle does, and the same holds for Locke and natural law (which Aristotle only speaks about once, in the Rhetoric, as a kind of rhetorical flourish).\nHeh, heh, heh.",
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"text": "This may be easier for me on account of the fact that I'm pretty ignorant about all of this compared to many (most?) of you, but I don't think I've ever had too much distinguishing Aristotle and Thomas.\nI think there is a real push amongst certain ideologically motivated academics (aren't they all) to try to separate their thought. As if Thomas had to distort Aristotle to make him fit into a Christian ethic. At the very least, I think there is solid evidence to the contrary, and the position that Aristotle and Thomas are largely in agreement is, at the least, a respectable one (even if it is not currently in vogue). Cf. McInerny.",
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"text": "I agree with Joel HF wholeheartedly, to be clear, on the fact that many separate St. Thomas and Aristotle far too easily.\nThe usual historicism of the academy - which Daniel Lendman is right to say that TAC counters - makes it so many of these people never claim ANY thinker can overlap with ANY other because they lived at different times and places - and this is asinine. In fact, many seem to think that they all must contradict each other because they lived in different times and places.",
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"text": "Look how we all agree! Lovely.",
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"text": "Also, Samantha, I'm leery of the idea that Aristotle had any idea of \"person,\" as STA used the term, at all, whether for God or for man. I still think that the definition can be applied to his idea of God as expressed in the later books of the Metaphysics",
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"text": "matthew, aristotle also mentions natural law in book v of nic. but that is obscure. In the rhetoric it is merely a tool to win an argument to be sure.",
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"text": "And, once again, I'M the one praising TAC above all for reading tons of St. Thomas and Aristotle.\nIN FACT, THAT VERY PRAISE IS WHAT BROUGHT THE NEVER ENDING THREAD's EXISTENCE INTO TIME AND SPACE IN THE STATUS ABOVE. \nOf course, it already existed but it is in time by means of operation.",
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"text": "Aquistotle (auto correct wanted to say Squid turtle) sounds like a goat stag. I hear that's the new trophy for dorm wars. \nTaking Thomas as a legitimate interpreter, if not the best one? Completely reasonable. However you must be able to give more than an a priori assertion that such is the case.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger: Yes, the question is whether what we have of Aristotle is opposed to natural law or not - this is similar to the personal God question. Book V of the Ethics is notably obscure.\nBut my point is that a TAC grad simply assuming Aristotle is a natural law guy is sloppy stuff.",
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"text": "Joel- right, Caleb didn't say that Aristotle himself had this concept of a person as an individual substance of a rational nature, just that the concept fits reasonably well onto what he did say.",
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"text": "BTW, if Pater Edmund gets to cite this Copleston person as an authority, then I get to cite Caleb as one.",
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"text": "Well, I only cited Copleston to say \"look even tiresome academcs make the same argument as Big Angry,\" not because I consider him an authority.",
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"text": "Oh good. A further step is that you should take me as an authority on Caleb, even his unpublished remarks at dinner.",
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"text": "So as I say above I am NOT for much of modern scholarship's separation of St. Thomas and Aristotle.\nBUT, on the other hand, the easy way in which TAC grads speak and bandy about \"the truth\" and \"finding the truth\" and yaddayaddayadda gets a little to easy and sloppy and cartoony, especially when combined with the staggering amount of ignorance we have when we are very ignorant of opposing interpretations and we are relatively weak when it comes to understanding the arguments of the \"bad guys\" we read in the program.\nWhich is why, Daniel Lendman, I'm not sure if the conflation of St. Thomas and Aristotle is harmful or not to most non-academics. I think it may be, as it allows people to simply think there is no tension ever between faith and reason and all is grand in the pursuit of the truth.\nBut hey, as I say in the status - the fact we read lots of both is a good thing - a great thing - the best thing, intellectually speaking, about TAC IMO",
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"text": "But Samantha, you wrote, \"The reason I would say Aristotle's god isn't personal and not say that about Aristotle's views of humans is precisely because I deny that Aristotle views God as personal in the way that humans are obviously personal.\" What do you mean?",
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"text": "i agree, matthew regarding natural law. I dont know what he means in the nic. And in the rhetoric he is tongue in cheek, naughty even -- i believe the rhetoric is where the straussians get their machiavellian interpretation of aristotle. I discern an outline for parts of the Prince there.",
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"text": "But seriously, people, Pater Edmund: if you told most people that Aristotle \"believed or thought there was a personal God\" that would be highly misleading, no? To be at all honest, you would have to highly qualify that. One simply does not get the sense from the little we from him as regards ANYTHING in relation to God having a will, or providence, or having some kind of personal relation to human beings, etc.",
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"text": "That's the comment I was responding to, I took it that Caleb Cohoe agreed with me! Now he needs to start posting himself. Resistance is futile.\nEdit: I.e. the one Pater Edmund quoted above. I don't think humans being persons is obvious to Aristotle for the same reason, namely he didn't have the concept.",
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"text": "\"Well, the Thread is what gives a Scholar his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.\"",
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"text": "Yep, there are a lot of similarities between the thread and the force.",
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"text": "I don't know if it does draw him, you should have seen the look he gave me when I confessed to spending an hour on it yesterday",
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"text": "I'll reply in a minute, Pater, my daughter needs orange juice",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson are you using person the same way? All Pater Edmundmeans, I take it, is individual rational substance.",
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"text": "REGARDING straussians. They are formidable. My mentor and good friend has spent a year trying to refute one of their best on his last piece on the Republic. All i know of it is he is working on a seven fold distinction of \"TO OV\" whereat my mind explodes a bit and i realize my vocation is not to be a metaphysician. BTW that is the part he has been stuck on; i am pretty sure i cant help - he has spent 30 years meditating on the Republic.",
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"text": "Just realized - I could make this thread public and we could link to it on Twitter, etc. - give it its own Twitter account, etc.\nOr not. \nDoubtless the The Neverending Thread already \"knows\" what will be since it simply is.",
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"text": "OK, so Pater Edmund, you complained that tiresome people who deny that Aristotle thought of God as a person don't likewise complain that Aristotle didn't think of humans as persons. I think that is because our first concept of a person *is* a human, and that is much of the content of the concept that we take with us when we apply it to God. Hence, Daniel Lendman's objectionable claim that Aristotle's God had will.",
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"text": "Is this Thread an individual rational substance?",
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"text": "Hope that was clear-- I have more babies climbing on me than you guys do, I think",
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"text": "pluralistic rational and irrational substance",
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"text": "it does think on its own thinking a lot. I believe that is heretical of recent: doesnt it fall under the anathema of being \"self referential\"",
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"text": "Matthew - it is not. The Threadness is not individual, but rather exists most properly as the matterless form which imbues all other threads with that-which-makes-them-what-they-are.",
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"text": "Also Matthew - perhaps make it public only to friends of friends for now, or something. I know a few people who would like to be a part of the rapture.",
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"text": "In honor of Augustine, whose feast day this is, I'm chiming in to say, \"He who claims to have read every comment in this thread, lies.\" And also to ask: did Aquinas ever give the sense that he interpreted Aristotle to judge that God is a person?",
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"text": "When I woke up this morning, I noticed there was light outside my window. \"Now every creature may be compared to God, as the air is to the sun which enlightens it. For as the sun possesses light by its nature, and as the air is enlightened by sharing the sun's nature; so God alone is Being in virtue of His own Essence, since His Essence is His existence; whereas every creature has being by participation, so that its essence is not its existence. Therefore, as Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. iv, 12): \"If the ruling power of God were withdrawn from His creatures, their nature would at once cease, and all nature would collapse.\" In the same work (Gen. ad lit. viii, 12) he says: \"As the air becomes light by the presence of the sun, so is man enlightened by the presence of God, and in His absence returns at once to darkness....\n\"The preservation of things by God is a continuation of that action whereby He gives existence, which action is without either motion or time; so also the preservation of light in the air is by the continual influence of the sun.\"",
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"text": "I don't think Aristotle viewed God as a person, and I think he also thought ensoulment took place after conception, the formal cause of man informing matter after conception, whereas the soul of a plant is induced from the potency of matter. But it's a little unfair to say, because he cannot respond.",
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"text": "that is one of the reasons God can be known (yada yada admixture blah blah error) from creation. As St. Augustine so rightly points out (through faith) God underlies and permeates the whole of creation.... therefore he can be seen through it.",
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"text": "It is speculation, but Aristotle seems to say that the vegetative, and then animal \"parts\" of the soul happen first in time. But it has been a long time one of the younger folks could check me on that",
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"text": "Admixture of Obi-wansianism\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YQJsbbWNA\nObi-Wan explains the Force\nObi-Wan gives a cliffnotes explanation of what the Force is. This clip belongs to Lucasfilms and George Lucas.",
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"text": "crap. Mr. Bonbonventura (the candy to come - Halloween... MichaeL Myers . . . free association)\nliked my comment. Stupid gnosis on the fritz again",
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"text": "It is now the place for \"Perennial Truths\" \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9mLP6NwnU\nthis is your left\nyour gonna die",
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"text": "the irrational attribute of the substance of this thread has returned. I kinda wondered what mb was about up there.",
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"text": "Remarkable that fine cigars and scotch is associated with that video. I doubt the creators ever had that in mind.",
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"text": "Apropos of nothing, I am sad and dispirited just now because Caleb is replacing our Colorado license plates with Missouri ones.",
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"text": "Who's touchy this morning? \"God underlies and permeates the whole of creation\" is NOT what Obi is telling Luke. They are as different as left and right.",
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"text": "Daniel, I hope you prayed over your spiritual reading of Aristotle's Metaphysics this morning, to cleanse your soul from error.",
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"text": "We're in St. Louis for the year. It's hot and riot-y here, and there beer is ok but not as good as in Colorado, and of course no mountains. But actually I quite like it here.",
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"text": "Well, Scott, in your honor I found this appropriately significant article: \nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../hello-kitty-not-cat_n...\nHello Kitty Is Not A Cat Because Nothing Makes Sense Anymore\nwww.huffingtonpost.com\nYou might want to sit down for this one. Sanrio has revealed Hello Kitty -- the ...See More",
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"text": "Who is Scott? Do I even look like a Scott? That is so mean of you to trash Hello Kitty. Only a TAC alum would even THINK of doing that. I am shocked, SHOCKED!!!",
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"text": "Matthew, you wrote, \u00abBut seriously, people, Pater Edmund: if you told most people that Aristotle \"believed or thought there was a personal God\" that would be highly misleading, no? To be at all honest, you would have to highly qualify that.\u00bb\nSure, I don't actually say that. I say Aristotle never used the word person, but he thought of God as a thinking being, which is what person means.\nThen you wrote:\n\u00abOne simply does not get the sense from the little we from him as regards ANYTHING in relation to God having a will, or providence, or having some kind of personal relation to human beings, etc.\u00bb\nHow is that relevant?",
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"text": "I once knew a Scot who golfed into a wind so fierce,\nHis ball flew twenty yards head, but eighty in reverse.",
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"text": "Samantha, I totally agree with you that you are an authority on Caleb's unpublished thoughts. \nAlso, you wrote: \"OK, so Pater Edmund, you complained that tiresome people who deny that Aristotle thought of God as a person don't likewise complain that Aristotle didn't think of humans as persons. I think that is because our first concept of a person *is* a human, and that is much of the content of the concept that we take with us when we apply it to God.\" \nWell, I agree, but then one has the same problem with things that Aristotle actually says about God. Like thought for instance, our first concept of which comes from our own thought.",
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"text": "I dont understand the fuss, Matthew. You are equivocating. Pater has been clear as to what he means. But you keep insisting on a meaning of personal that pater is not using.",
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"text": "personal: \n1having a relationship with other rational beings.\n2. Characteristic of an individual substance having reason",
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"text": "3. embarrassing photographs",
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"text": "I insist on what most people think of when they hear \"personal God\" - if you told most people Aristotle believed in or argued to a personal God you would obviously be misleading them based on how they would normally and naturally interpret the phrase.\nMost people, when they hear the word person, think of an individual human being with reason and will, I think. One is delineating an individual as opposed to a species, and an individual of a particular kind - one with reason, and (perhaps therefore) will.\n1) When one says \"personal God\" today, one generally means a God that relates directly to human persons. And that is nowhere in Aristotle. \n2) But even if we wanted to qualify the phrase to mean \"God is a person,\" most people hearing the phrase would think this renders him an individual with reason and will. \nWhat this means in God's case, however, even for St. Thomas is highly qualified, of course. But even more generically: what Aristotle says - thought thinking thought that stands to the rest of the universe as first cause - is God as person in the most nub of a basic sense: insofar as he is in some way an individual and in some way has reason. IS reason. The fact that Reason/the Truth itself can be considered a person is marvelous and not apparent from what Aristotle says, especially when thought thinking thought is what causes all else to be.\nWhat one means by person here is simply far beyond what comes to mind - it would be misleading for most without explaining in detail.",
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"text": "I AM WHO AM is a person, of course, in some way, beyond all human notion of personhood and indeed our understanding of person could be said to derive from God's beyondpersonhood person. But in any event, to say Aristotle holds to a personal God is simply misleading given what most people will interpret that to mean.",
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"text": "i agree, matthew but do you disagree with pater's limited sense? Not \"what most contemporaries first think?\". I do not see any real disagreement here (except perhaps on the matter of will).",
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"text": "But. I wouldn't disagree that thought thinking thought and serving as eternal (and immutable?!?) prime mover negates personhood, for Aristotle or otherwise. That's not what I'm saying.\nSo much to say, and much is at stake. One needs to see the enormous problem of how God could at all relate to human persons for Aristotle.\nI think something like JA Escalante says is likely true - he saw intermediary beings something like angels, or where his contemporaries got the idea of the gods from, but he was likely very unsure about this.",
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"text": "Greig I apologize for the interjection, but Matthew, with your last line in mind, do you suppose the Incarnation, esp. with the Theophany in mind, contextualizes the meaning of God as person(s), at least in the distinctly Christian sense?",
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"text": "(to add the missing premises to my abbreviated argument above:\n1) a knower can only move if it has an appetite\n2) will is the only \"immaterial appetite\"",
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"text": "\"Aristotle had no concept of the will\" is another one of those claims I dislike.",
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"text": "I will admit though, this thread is giving it a run for its money re: length. But don't worry, I'm hardly done with Chapter 1.",
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"text": "Edward Langley: all this \"he thought X, so therefore he must have thought Y\" talk makes me uneasy unless accompanied by intense and fair argumentation and meticulous examination and research. That statement is fine for the Book of Faces, of course, but it would and should never get you published anywhere ever without very rigorous argument from Aristotle's texts. But you know this. \nThe entire problem here, people, is that by assuming Thomistotle one lays the shoddy groundwork for upending much else later on down the line, and risks misunderstanding what Aristotle does and doesn't say, and therefore risks missing the truth of things, etc.\nIn this example, what would appetite even mean for what Aristotle says about God in the admittedly little we have of his work? What would will mean? Here's what it would not mean: what most people think about when they think about God with a will today.",
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"text": "(And I'm not unreflective about these things: I've had claims like these pushed at me for two years now)",
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"text": "I AM WHO AM is what God said to Abraham. Good section on this in Lumen Fidei. A marriage of Hebrew and Hellenic traditions, of sorts.",
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"text": "BUT DOES the existence of \"PB\" refute the first two definitions of personal i gave setting aside Michael's for the time being? That is matter for disertation.",
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"text": "Jon Andrew Greig: Might it be a little too easy for Christians to talk about God as person and foist that into places where it isn't because they believe God came to earth as a human person? Yes. Yes indeed.\nWhat I don't like about Thomistotle is that it evades the real problems Aristotle had, and the tensions and even contradictions he faced within his own work, and the overflowing mystery and shock and beauty and solving of seemingly insurmountable problems the Incarnation solves, etc.\nIt tends towards a shallow rationalism.",
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"text": "\"What would will mean? Here's what it would not mean: what most people think about when they think about God with a will today.\"\nWell, I don't think Aquinas's position would be what most people think about a \"God with a will\"? I'm not even sure Aquinas's position on our own will matches what people think about will.\n(assuming that we're talking about the same group of people here)",
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"text": "Really, I would like an answer to what the will of the unmoved mover would be like",
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"text": "Edward Langley: I'd probably agree with you and Pater Edmund and Caleb Cohoe in opposing those people - may we all do so and work together doing so throughout long and successful careers - but we will not succeed unless we are very, very careful and cautious and more rigorous than the other side.",
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"text": "My point is, though, that I think the question of will in God comes down to the dispute over whether or not God is an efficient cause.\nThe talk in the De Anima about appetite is there for the sake of showing how knowledge (whether sense or intellect) produces motion in animals. It seems to me like something like that would have to transfer to God, if he produces motion as an efficient cause.",
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"text": "Would not the will of the unmoved mover be more like a final cause? Or would it really be like an efficient cause, as when He creates a human soul, that soul is the formal cause of the person created, but in relation to the human soul, God is an efficient cause. So God wills that each of us exists, and He does this as an efficient cause. QED.",
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"text": "But say more about what Aristotle might think the \"will\" of the unmoved mover is or would be like.",
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"text": "Greig Matthew, in one sense that's true about the human person, but I specifically mention the Theophany where the three persons are made manifest. It seems that we have three distinct agents at work, one of which is particularly manifest as a human, while his work as a human brings forth the other two non-human agents (Father and Holy Spirit). This is a bit of a loose thought, but I wonder if whether or how that might change the context of understanding God as person.\n(Again, I apologize, but I haven't worked my way through this God-awfully long thread.)\nAnd I agree on the Thomistotle'ing wariness. Aristotle leaves enough open questions which Thomas fills in, and I think one can argue that there is an evenual consistency, but one which A's writing doesn't make clear in itself without a good commentary.",
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"text": "But appetite mediates a knowing power and efficient causality based on that knowing power. Thus, if Aristotle's God acts according to his knowledge, he must have an appetite (i.e. an inclination to what he knows to be good).",
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"text": "So, I thought unmoved mover was subsistent existence; like a rock from which a animal might jump off of; the rock does not push the animal, it just gives the animal a solid place from which to jump. Were it not for that solid, unmoved place, the leg and joint could not work, the leg of the animal would flail in space. God is unmoved mover with respect to existence.",
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"text": "that is difficult but for the rest we seem all to agree. All i am saying. Let's dispute where there is real dispute and difficulty. (The will that is.) [Woah. This was to mp way up there. Sorry ]",
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"text": "Alas, I cannot. Do you have a spyglass I can look through?",
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"text": "John Ruplinger asked several comments ago: \"Can a rational being not have a will? I cannot prove this. It doesnt seem possible. What is an intellect without a will? Can it do anything?\"",
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"text": "The human soul has three parts in unity: intellect, will and imagination. It is a three-for-one deal, which proves that God is a Jew.\nThese parts in unity seek truth (intellect), goodness (will) and beauty (imagination).\nThis is why Augustine uses syllogisms, enthymemes and metaphor in the same appeal: Unity.",
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"text": "i sent you a friend request Ed Langely...Metaphysics intrigues moi.",
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"text": "but the unity of the transcendentals isn't in Aristotle, except maybe in a nascent way, and therefore can't be used to determine what Aristotle is saying.\nEd, you'd probably be right to admit it from secondary causes, however, the secondary causes move the spheres according to love of the first. It isn't clear to me that that love is reciprocal, again, in Aristotle",
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"text": "But then again John, it has been a few fortnights since I've studied me some Aristoilet",
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"text": "God's love of Venus, thus, is urequited,\nWoe the Planet, whom the Godhead spited!",
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"text": "^is that metaphor or syllogism?^",
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"text": "So Edward, can the love from the secondary movers (gods, demons, angels) be show to have been reciprocated by the first mover? or no?",
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"text": "Day after shining day, turn afer turn,\nThe Earth, alone, loves Deus in return.",
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"text": "many people love Deus.",
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"text": "but symbiotic reciprocity needs more representation.",
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"text": "I don't know if it can be demonstrated along those lines. But it still seems to me that God cannot be an efficient cause unless he desires what he causes as something good.",
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"text": "Did Aristotle say anthing about the rings of Saturn?\nAmong the Planets, I think the Earth is the only heavenly body who loves God in return, because she dutiful remains in the center of things.\nBut couldn't you say all the Planets love God, by allowing other things to revolve around them, by allowing rings to be formed, their mass and motion exerting a cause?",
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"text": "were there drugs in my coffee this morning? I thought I had it black but reading this is making me wonder.",
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"text": "Planets may be inanimate, but they have form!",
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"text": "but they don't have will....caffiene is a drug",
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"text": "plants aren't totally inanimate right? They have a vegetative soul. They can move toward or away something beneficial or harmful. Is this crazy?",
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"text": "If Planets have no will, who keeps them on track, in harmony? This must be good.",
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"text": "Edward, the parasites in the taco I ate last night are the efficient cause of my vomiting, but that isn't an idea of the good (or really any idea at all) So maybe you mean \"rational efficient cause\", right?",
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"text": "If Planets have no form, who do they move in symphonic harmony?",
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"text": "They don't BonBon they just fall....... perpetual falling into the curved spacetime",
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"text": "Oh, so the perpetual falling into curved spacetime is the cause of the harmonic relations. I see now.",
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"text": "in a straight line (along a geodesic)",
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"text": "That's an atheistic cosmology ",
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"text": "Everyone knows that angels carry the planets along",
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"text": "atheistic??? no way! the angels are just shoving them down",
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"text": "with a matterless form ephemeral phlogiston plunger",
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"text": "Free falling. Hence, the Tom Petty song.",
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"text": "YES. I still am fond of the angel thesis. Call me nostalgic or romanic. I dont care. I just dont drink Newton's koolaid. Too many difficlties and some pretty weighty assumptions.",
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"text": "Newton was just an approximation, without the benefit of any causality. his Koolaid tastes bad. We rock the general relativity fruit punch",
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"text": "I once knew a Gard'ner, his name was Plant. He had a rational soul.\nBut his grapevine said to the little ant, now let's go on a stroll.\n(My love, now let's go on a stroll.)\nSaid the little ant to the grapevine 'Dear, what lovely long legs you have,'\nMy legs are useful, my little ant, and better my God to love,\n(And better my God to love.)\nFor I walk to Church on Sunday, and afterwards to brunch,\nWhere my fruit it good, it's understood, and tasty and sweet to munch.\n(And tasty and sweet to munch.)",
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"text": "For my firstfruits go to the vintner. And his, in turn, to the priest;\nAnd with that bread, His Body, instead, attend the Glorious Feast.",
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"text": "Catherine, is it clear that the vegetative soul is individual as well? St. Thomas writes that \"act of existing\" is part of man's essence, in which case the immortal soul follows. for the vegetative (and quite possibly the animal - no clear thoughts yet) it isn't clear to me that the soul of a plant exists beyond the species level, as a principle of that sort of plant.",
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"text": "The soul of a plant is induced fom the potency of its matter. That's what I was told to believe.",
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"text": "really? I thought soul was the substantial form of the plant (or whatever) whereas the matter is what individuates",
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"text": "^Yes.^",
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"text": "So Daniel, is it clear that Aristotle thinks that plants have individual souls, and can I tell my right from left?",
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"text": "I mean, they \"aren't\" very much, so there isn't a very strong unity in plants.",
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"text": "and in TAC grads (I jest, I jest)",
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"text": "Opposition to Peregrine Bonaventure is the principle of unity in TAC grads",
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"text": "Final cause?",
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"text": "clearly.",
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"text": "this seems to be petering out we need someone to come in and say something crazy... Peterson tell me again how the American founding fathers had a good notion of the common good and Aristotle's Politics?",
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"text": "Let's talk about NFP",
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"text": "!!!!",
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"text": "That would be so awesome!!!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "What Would Aaron Dunkel Say?",
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"text": "As far as I can tell, St. Paul and the Fathers would say that the conjugal act that deliberately avoids conception is inherently sinful. Although, only venially so.",
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"text": "NFP is manichean. DEF! that's Augustine and its his feast. QED ! (Just stirring troubles. I apologize.)",
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"text": "To what in Paul's writings to you refer, Daniel?",
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"text": "Daniel is probably right though in seriousness. It is permitted today. Augustine seems a bit stronger agin it.",
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"text": "Oh $@/$...this is like the part on the roller coaster just before....\nClickclickclickclickclick",
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"text": "I can't believe I'm hearing this. But really, why should I be surprised?",
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"text": "Just to add to the madness: https://www.facebook.com/angelvivaldi/photos/a.10153261369530494.1073741826.206070425493/10154503095485494/?type=1\nMobile Uploads\nTruth!\nBy: Angel Vivaldi",
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"text": "A soul of a plant comes from its material generation, not from God. The matter is what individuates one plant from another. The soul of man comes from outside of matter.",
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"text": "The would violate Goethe's doctrine.",
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"text": "And let's just get this out there: the Fathers had ALL KINDS of whack ideas about sex and women. Good thing y'all are only required to revere them as examples of heroic virtue, right?",
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"text": "^Yes!",
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"text": "\"Father\" and \"Doctor\" are titles given to people because they are theological authorities. \"Saint\" merely indicates that they were exemplary in some way (in Thomas Becket's case, for example, standing up for the Church's rights before the onslaught of the state).",
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"text": "Well, I missed the part wherein they were all against NFP.",
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"text": "(If this NFP discussion runs out of steam, we could always discuss this: http://srv2.elangley.org/~edwlan/Scotus%20-%20Vat%2016.pdf)",
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"text": "It was only a matter of time with this thread",
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"text": "Oedipus' mom, upon learning from her Shrink that her son may have had a certain psychosis, replied:\nOedipus-schmoedipus! as long as he loved his mother.\n(ba-da-bum!)",
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"text": "And now, let us go now, you and I, to that really steamy section of The Wasteland:\nShe turns and looks a moment in the glass, \nHardly aware of her departed lover; \nHer brain allows one half-formed thought to pass: \n\u201cWell now that\u2019s done: and I\u2019m glad it\u2019s over.\u201d\nWhen lovely woman stoops to folly and \nPaces about her room again, alone, \nShe smoothes her hair with automatic hand, \nAnd puts a record on the gramophone.",
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"text": "Honestly we are worse than pagans in this. At least many of them respected early Christians and some were even in awe. Today we cant even fathom what they said.",
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"text": "Catch the witness, catch the spark,\nCatch the spirit, catch the snark.",
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"text": "Wow, was that Wasteland quote directed at me?",
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"text": "Sorry....was at lunch when I was tagged....but I have so much to share on this discussion of sex and NFP",
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"text": "I think Ed is correct. Although, it seems that unanimity is probably accidental....speaking with the voice of the Church would be essential for infallibility regarding Faith and morals. Unanimity, it seems, is the standard by which it is judged that they speak with the voice of the Church.",
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"text": "Although VI possibly shows me to be wrong:\n\"8. Now since the decree on the interpretation of Holy Scripture, profitably made by the Council of Trent, with the intention of constraining rash speculation, has been wrongly interpreted by some, we renew that decree and declare its meaning to be as follows: that in matters of faith and morals, belonging as they do to the establishing of Christian doctrine, that meaning of Holy Scripture must be held to be the true one, which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true meaning and interpretation of Holy Scripture.\n9. In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret Holy Scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers.\"",
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"text": "O, the folly of liberally educated women!\nThey believe they've earned the right to talk about any subject under the sun!",
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"text": "nothing in Denzinger?",
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"text": "We're doing well, Aaron, how about you?",
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"text": "My point was that Daniel, who has conveniently vanished, could find a lot of quotes from the Fathers that say messed up things about women and sex and marriage, and still not have established much of anything",
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"text": "And by \"messed up\" I guess I mean \"incorrect and also personally upsetting to me\"",
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"text": "I will note that up through the mid1950's there was a serious position held by many theologians that condemned NFP. Castii Conubii es not definitively resolve it, as neither it does castration of criminals. These theologians argued that, because of a probable opinion that it was permitted existed a confessor could not impose his view that it was not permitted on a penitent acting in good faith, but that in fact NFP was not justifiable and one ought not encourage it.\nI point this out because I think rather than taking objections seriously, there is an assumption of a magisterial rubber stamp approving NFP... while there is something closer to that with the last few popes, the awareness of even recent and respected opposition should give pause and at least urge the answering of objections, rather than mere dismissal.\nOne of my top moments of frustration in theology at TAC was when we hit Augustine on make up and dyed hair. While I found and find Aquinas's view more tenable, almost every single student shrieked and rejected it out of hand in the exact manner the modern world does with our condemnation of contraception. Exactly the same. So of course I defended Augustine, while disagreeing with him....the willingness to think, \"well just as I condemn things in the world and the world is so blind it doesn't fathom the reasons, maybe I too have blindness, maybe a value of ancient authors is that they stand outside of our context and provide a challenge, intellectually and moral to our assumptions.\"\nBut when that actually happened, by a saint, just shrieking and out of hand rejection....",
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"text": "Of course Augustine is authoritative....hello, Church Father, Doctor of the Church...he has auctoritas dripping off him....he may not be conclusive by himself, but authority he has in spades...",
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"text": "Listen, I am really not on a crusade here. If you want I can dig up some quotes I read grad school that were troubling to me. But do you guys really need me to do that? Can we not agree that a lot of the Fathers, despite being awesome and important and heroic examples of virtue, were also products of their times who had some unfortunate views of women and sex? No?",
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"text": "Thank you, Joshua. . . . (Note this is not new. Chrysostom was likely martyred bc the empress took offense at his preaching on these matters. When examined these teachings have the support of reason and faith. We give them no fair hearing.",
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"text": "I don't think there was a group of early desert gals who were comparable to the National Organization of Women. Nothing similar.",
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"text": "i havent read that much. But they exude sound reason and derive from principles we in blindness non comprehenderunt.",
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"text": "they were also half nuts. And Roman Catholics don't really need to pretend otherwise; Scholasticism vastly improved on the ancient writers in many ways, and it's only a post Vatican II thing to get all gooey over the Fathers",
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"text": "Samantha, they are \"hard sayings\" which you acknowledged above.",
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"text": "Well, I think it sucks that one of my theological heroes \"fail(ed) to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.\"",
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"text": "Are we not also products of our time, with some also very unfortunate views? I refuse to write off any position of the Fathers under such a blanket statement. I need to know what the position is and the arguments for it, before I dare judge for it is just as possible that I am the one to be judged unfortunate.\nWhile I do agree some views that end up as wrong are also as you say, too many write off anything they don't like under that same rubric...so forget that rubric, and only reject after a fair appraisal.",
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"text": "this isn't bad as a chronicle of patristic weirdness on the question of gender and sex:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/The-Concept-Woman.../dp/0802842704\nThe Concept of Woman: The Aristotelian Revolution, 750 B.C. - A. D. 1250\nwww.amazon.com\nThis pioneering study by Sister Prudence Allen traces the concept of woman in re...See More",
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"text": "I'm not saying they should be rejected because they are \"hard\"",
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"text": "and sure, we should avoid what Lewis calls chronological snobbery; but when you have pagan writers sometimes sounding much saner about women than some ancient Christian writers, you know its not just a question of anachronism",
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"text": "This is true, but too many say that and then proceed to use it to ignore anything hard...I am not accusing Mrs. Cohoe of that. Merely making a warning. And because we may, through such snobbery, mistake the sense or be wrong about it being wrong, we should err on the side of a reverential reading. As Thomas always did.",
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"text": "not so JA. \"Vastly\"? corrected disagreement, yes.",
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"text": "did I single out Chrysostom? I said \"some ancient Christian writers\"",
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"text": "Well that is true... systematic thinking was left to those, like Thomas, trying to sum up their work...John Chrysostom is a great example, commenting on \"take a little wine\" and moving from drunkness not wine is a sin, to advice about sanctifying you hand by hitting blasphemers, and then back to wine again, and then to pastoral solicitude, and then....",
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"text": "My head would become unscrewed if I did not have my wife. And I trust I am of some small use to her.",
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"text": "I plead not guilty to the charge of chronological snobbery that apparently no one has made against me. I am merely excusing the Fathers for some of the terrible things they thought about women by noting that those were easier mistakes to make in those days than now.",
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"text": "I was replying to Joshua there, Samantha",
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"text": "Note that this is an excuse that none of you have",
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"text": "The Fathers may have had no use for women in one sense; they needed Holy Mother the Church in another. Hence: a massive portion of Her infallible dogmatic theology please.",
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"text": "no, idk about Clement. And not all of Chrysostum is so. He was a preacher first (and orator). What was the purpose and audience?",
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"text": "WRT NFP\nIf you can find them\nFr. Orville Griese. \"The Rhythm In Marriage And Christian Morality\"\nMsgr. McFadden has an article in (I believe) the 1954 Thomist covering the debate and its history. Unfortunately I have all of the Thomist issues from 1939, 1940, 1965-2008....no 1950's",
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"text": "caeci caecos ducunt, sicut dixisti, Joshua.",
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"text": "All I'm saying is, I hope Big Angry doesn't come back here with some cherry-picked quotes from the Fathers and think he has proved that use of NFP is sinful. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING",
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"text": "Not that I have a dog in *this* fight, either. Unless we re-convert of course.",
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"text": "what horror of horrors did they say, Samantha . . . as one who has read little. But to be fair maybe something from Augustine or Chrysostum.",
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"text": "Will this thread hit 10,000?",
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"text": "Oh and in 1937 the Holy Office issued a warning about NFP and promoting it (called the rhythm method then), that it coudl lead to denial of the marital debt. Obviously any moral version must hold that both parties consent, because the reasons for NFP would not negate the marriage debt.\nFWIW, Pr\u00fcmmer speaks very cautiously of NFP. He first says a couple who is overly burdened, in dire straits, medical issues, should place their hope in God. If they reckon it necessary, live in complete continence. He then adds, the note from the Sacred Penitentiary in 1880 (first mention by the magisterium, namely that a couple strongly tempted to onanism, may be left in good faith wrt the rhythm method) and presents it as a possibility rather reservedly. Though in the edition I have the appendix adds to that section with the teaching of Pius XI and XII (the original edition was before both)\nThere are some very serious objections to NFP. And it is hard to morally differentiate it from actions that are sinful. I do think throughout the ages, from the Fathers to now, there has always been two schools of thought about the marital act. You can see it in authors that condemned relations during pregnancy or menstruation and other definitive infertile periods.....While a cherry picked quote from a Father does not settle the debate, and is unlikely exactly apropos, I am just saying these divisions raise unresolved matters that should be taken seriously",
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"text": "I already pulled out one quote, above, pretty symptomatic of the overall problem I thought",
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"text": "Yes, this thread will go past 10,000, and this is a true statement, purged of error, because I have been reading Aristotle in a prayerful manner.",
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"text": "AT the start of this thread i believe a fair statement regarding its sinfulness was expressed. Indeed culpability may be nil for many bc of so much confusion.",
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"text": "Catholic Women rise up against the Desert Fathers!",
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"text": "Or is it dessert?",
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"text": "To be clear, until just now half of the comment over the last two hours were not visible to me....now some of the comments make a heck of a lot more sense",
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"text": "Dude, I am not a Catholic",
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"text": "I think FB was having trouble temporalizing so much TNET, cutting half of the comments....\nAnd so? I mean, so what that you are not Catholic...the relvancy of my point remains, that even relatively recently NFP was not de facto accepted, but reputable authorities had issue with it. Just meaning you should give a fair shake to the arguments.",
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"text": "why so angry, then?",
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"text": "Who's angry? I am just annoyed at commenting on a different conversation than the one the people I was conversing with were having (it was almost every other comment cut!)\nOh wait, you aren't talking to me are you?",
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"text": "So let me get this straight...... married couples are required to procreate as often as possible?",
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"text": "Like bunnies....that is definitely what I am saying /sarc (NB I think NFP morally licit for grave reasons, just recognize that it is not \"obvious\" that it is)",
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"text": "Depends on the work...at USC I don't know....it might be obligatory....",
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"text": "I'm only angry at PB, who quoted the Wasteland at me disrespectfully",
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"text": "The Victorian \"she stoops to conquer\" was for you. That is as virtuous as you are, and that is virtuous indeed. The TS Elliot section unmasks some of the banality of modernism. That is different. \nI suppose there is some subtext in the feminine animus against the Church Fathers.\nI do not know why people read them outside of the context of Holy Mother Church.\nCompared with the dogmatic theology of the Church, the Church Fathers are individual players.",
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"text": "Then you are free Mr. Bundy",
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"text": "But more to the point, if we decided to abstain, on any day, for any reason, where is the moral ambiguity?",
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"text": "me neither. A well formed conscience and the guidance of an orthodox spiritual director kind of remove the dog fighting",
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"text": "But seriously, if you guys ever can, those articles I mention earlier are very good.",
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"text": "Nine out of ten Doctors of the Church agree! A dogma a day keeps the Peregrine away.",
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"text": "[Things seemed to have gone VERY Smoker-Patio-ish since I last noted this thread...... Play nice, boys.]",
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"text": "Megan? Really? You're asking me to play nice? It didn't work 18 years ago, it isn't going to work now",
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"text": "Seriously though\n1. If a couple is sterile, temporarily or otherwise, still the nature of the act they are doing is procreative and ence licit, in that regard\n2. If a couple contracepts, that changes the nature of the act, the object of the act. It is sodomitical in a sense, and not procreative. Not merely the intention, but the object changes\nAnother example\n1. A married couple does the act, it is one thing\n2. An unmarried couple does it, the object changes, not merely the circumstances. The claim is that marriage affects what the act is\nAnother example\n1. I am not eating now, but you wouldn't say I am fasting merely because I do not eat continiously\n2. I choose to not eat for a day ad gloriam Dei. That is fasting. The abstention from food is common to both my not-eating between lunch and dinner and my not eating during a day, but they are not the same things. The object differs\n1. A couple is not having sex right at this moment, but we do not call non-sex abstention\n2. A couple chooses to abstain on those days that are fertile, and not on infertile days. We call that periodic continence or abstaining. The object very clearly differs\nAnother example\n1. I choose to not eat on Friday for God- I am fasting\n2. I choose to not eat in order to lose weight- I am dieting.\nThe objects, not merely the intention, are different\n1. We abstain for a month are two for health reasons or prayer\n2. We abstain only on fertile days to avoid getting pregnant....is it that absurd that someone, like the dieting/fasting example, might think these are different objects, not just intents?",
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"text": "I do wish we could all smoke together",
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"text": "Actually, I just realized what the discussion is. ... I take it back. Have at it!",
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"text": "WHAT IS PB saying?",
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"text": "Were I talking to you, Mike, I would make an appeal for just being Mike-nice. (A subset of nice, which is not really nice, but which is also not Mike-not-nice.)",
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"text": "He just said: \"At least I'm right about TAC not reading a responsible amount of doctrine.\"",
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"text": "Which of course he's not right about.",
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"text": "Peregrine-- I'll just pretend I believe you so my husband doesn't have to come on here and challenge you to a duel or some such thing.",
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"text": "I'm not sure it's responsible for him to read.",
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"text": "so Peregrine, if TAC's founding documents teach heresy, aren't you bound to denounce that to the local ordinary? And if you've already attempted that, how'd that work out for you?",
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"text": "Because he's got the dull words handled.",
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"text": "John - he is now just listing all the things he thinks he's right about.",
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"text": "And PB, you better not ignore what JA just asked you.",
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"text": "re-crap? I thought it was more word-vomit",
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"text": "seriously Peregrine, I think we can get the email of the local ordinary for you, and I think you're bound in conscience to denounce TAC for public pertinacious heresy",
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"text": "so go for it, Peregrine! I'm sure you can't wait to be vindicated at last!",
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"text": "Peregrine suffers from digital logorrhea.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, I have a response, but it is getting lost in ad hominem, silliness and JA's critique",
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"text": "and it's dinner time",
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"text": "oh you do need to report material heresy, to the one involved; and then if they don't accept fraternal correction, it becomes formal. None of the alums have accepted your fraternal correction, so now you're countenancing formal heresy",
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"text": "i was presuming that you had done the right thing and told TAC about its material heresy as soon as you discovered it; and certainly you've gone on about it to alums on FB for months now. Its become by now quite public, and formal and pertinacious; so walk the walk or quit talking the talk. Call the ordinary, see how that works out for you",
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"text": "There is nothing underhanded about anything I am saying, Peregrine. I have challenged you overtly, and repeatedly - if impatiently. You have engaged in evasion, self-righteousness and flagrant Pharisaical superiority.\nYou've also continued to argue extreme claims to the point of ridiculousness. Either that or you've been dishonest and sophistical in your argumentation.\nYou do not appear to have any concept of the mean. Your Odysseus sails either straight for Charybdis or for Scylla.\nCan no one teach you anything? Do you already know everything? I have not seen you once say anything like \"Wow, I didn't think of that! Cool!\" or \"I see what you mean now!\" or \"You know what, I might have been wrong about that!\"\nDo you really believe that you know everything? Do you?",
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"text": "it would be discipline, Peregrine, not dogma",
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"text": "you know, distinctions...like the one between physics and metaphysics",
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"text": "^The difference there is exactly one meta. Not two metas - one meta.",
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"text": "but many kinds of meat. I distinguish between pastor and carnitas",
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"text": "Bonbon: \"but they both come from a pig, therefore they are the same thing\" magisterium magisterium",
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"text": "MAAAAAGISTEEEEERIUUUUUUUM",
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"text": "^in a braveheart voice?^",
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"text": "Yes, as Wrongaventure draws and quarters me on the gibbet of holistic sacred theology",
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"text": "I'm not angry, Peregrine, I am filled with pity for you.",
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"text": "yes Isak quite:\nhttp://energymuse.com/.../2013/08/crystalhealing-1.jpg\nENERGYMUSE.COM",
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"text": "I am actually laughing right now. . . mostly at Mr. Bonbon",
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"text": "i am out of kalua",
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"text": "I'm slacking today on padding this thing.",
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"text": "I really wish you could see the diatribe John",
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"text": "What you just said is bullshit, Peregrine. No one has the right to be wrong. Rights only exist because duties to others are prior. Your duty is conformity to the truth. Therefore mere expression of your conscience, right or wrong, formed or unformed, is not a right at all.\nConcede the point.",
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"text": "And you are still making unfounded universal claims about what TAC produces. Are you saying that all TAC graduates are alike in this way, or are you saying there's merely a tendency? Let's take this bit by bit. Do the distinction dance with me.",
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"text": "WOW strange statement from the magisterium",
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"text": "John, he said: \"Then respect the fact that I live in a free country, and I am free to express my conscience, and my conscience tells me that TAC produces an arrogant alum quite ignorant of much dogmatic truth.\"\nI'm saying that's bullshit, and I don't have to respect bullshit.",
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"text": "no, we resort to foul language because of poor impulse control",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4\nOr we've seen Lebowski way too many times.\nDo you have to use so many cuss words?\nIt speaks for itself\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "isak. I inferred it from your prior post. But thanks.",
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"text": "Wrong again, you cheeky bugger. Isak, one example of TAC alum, uses colorful language when the force of the point requires it. My legs are fine, thank you very much.",
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"text": "I like to think of my swearing as seasoning... like pepper. Otherwise the food of my wisdom is sooo bland",
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"text": "And you know what Peregrine? Better noisome vocalizations than noisome undergoings. Your thoughts are foul, sir.",
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"text": "Have you provoked the Linda Blair version of Sir Bonbon yet?",
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"text": "Say, did PB ever recant his assertion of heresy a while back?",
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"text": "No he did not Tim. And I think his clear lack of ability to respond to my objections speaks volumes more than his evasions.",
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"text": "never been better, and you, good Sir Bonbon?",
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"text": "And look at that - he wants me to respect that he is free to express his conscience, because he lives in a free contrary - but he won't respect my use of the word \"bullshit\" to describe the piles of dung he's heaping on TAC graduates.\nHe's a self-contradicting hypocrite.",
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"text": "Yeah it's not like they teach you that at Mass in the campus chapel or anything...",
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"text": "It would be a waste of time. The flames would get tired of trying to consume you.",
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"text": "A big group of alums accused you of heresy because you quoted something and endorsed it and the thing quoted was, in fact, presented as heresy in the document in which it appeared. Despite the fact that you were participating in the thread at the time, you pretended no one had raised the question and did not even acknowledge its existence.",
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"text": "Go reflect on what it means to have a \"right\" to anything, Pope Peregrine.",
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"text": "writing to Antipater, Aristotle noted: \"the more i am by myself, and alone, the fonder I have become of myths.\"",
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"text": "^I like that so much.^",
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"text": "and he set up life size statues in Stagira to Zeus and Athena, the Saviors.",
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"text": "Man alive...I could use a beer.",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "a case would be a start, and some cigars. ",
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"text": "*facepalm*",
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"text": "You missed the point, PB. Go to the chapel.",
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"text": "No, you did not. I find it difficult to believe you could have forgotten this.",
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"text": "Believing one's own made-up versions of the truth is a classic trait of sociopaths.",
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"text": "i think pb has a good case Isak.",
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"text": "Pseudologia fantastica. I pity you, Peregrine.",
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"text": "Because we are seekers of the truth, and that we may be clear, here is what I am speaking of. The image is the accusation, which was repeated to you by different people. The quoted passage is--if I traced the discussion correctly, and if I recall Pater Edmund's citation correctly--part of the formal heresy which Bautain was forced to renounce. To my knowledge, it appears you have not recanted, which is what I am asking.\nAs to the maturity of my questioning, I leave that for others to judge.",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "\"reason without grace serves an admixture of error\".....sounds accurate to moi.",
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"text": "Stop making brash generalizations about an entire alumni, stop refusing to admit when a good point has been made, stop mocking the intelligence of people on this thread kinder than I, stop announcing how right you are at every opportunity you get, stop avoiding questions, and maybe we can have a conversation.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund identified heresy...",
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"text": "paging Pater Edmund",
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"text": "\"Lack of quality in my argument.\" Bah. To refute His Holiness The Peregrine, a quality argument is not what's necessary.",
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"text": "And the maturity of Tim's questioning is clear and admirable.",
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"text": "I'm sure CC teaches logic which is why I am baffled that PB persists in making generalizations about TAC alumni.",
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"text": "Well, more specifically he said you were asserting heresy by citing the quotation favorably. But close enough.",
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"text": "i think Pater identified heresy....but calling someone a heretic is a different monkey.",
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"text": "Megan - that right there is all I want him to stop, ultimately. It amounts to a form of bigotry and I won't abide it.",
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"text": "I imagine Pater Edmund is sleeping.",
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"name": "Mike Potemra",
"text": "I have enjoyed this thread immensely, but the chief takeaway for me has been that my rejection of atheism was perhaps too hasty.",
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"text": "franciscans are busy writing letters to the leaders of the world...this one is all TAC.",
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"text": "Honestly, I'm tired of hearing the \"TACers are arrogant\" refrain - pick a different (and more helpful) song to sing.",
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"text": "It's currently 1AM where Pater Edmund leaves, so I doubt he'll appear any time soon. The entire train of comments and so on is available above, and it makes itself fairly clear.",
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"text": "I think she means the generalization that we are arrogant foul-mouthed jerks. Isak and I are; the rest, not so much.",
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"text": "(Sorry, Isak.)",
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"text": "NO SHE DOES NOT MEAN THAT. SHE MEANS STOP CALLING AN ENTIRE ALUMNI ARROGANT.",
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"text": "No offense taken, Tim. PB can say whatever he wants by way of insulting me and it will likely have some truth in it. But most anything good in me has come from my family or from TAC, and I will not allow this barbarian to continue slandering the college.",
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"text": "No. I think like any college, some are, some are decidedly not, and most are somewhere in the middle.",
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"text": "Excuse me? Not all of them.",
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"text": "Yes Peregrine. Triangles : three-sided :: TAC alum : arrogant. That's exactly right. Well done.",
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"text": "I've met some pretty awful people from Christendom but I don't go around calling all of their alumni awful.",
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"text": "^I hear that.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "God help me. God help me. God help us all. This is madness.",
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"text": "^^I can't even.",
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"text": "No one accused you of slandering TAC. They accused you of slandering its graduates. I realize the topic of the thread meanders, but focus is likely for the best. Right now you've been asked about your accusations against all TAC alumni and you've instantly pivoted to another topic.",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30HUOx6SYk\nInspector Clouseau visits Dreyfus at the psychiatric hospital\nFrom the 1976 film 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again'\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "You know very well that's not what we were calling slander, you poor juice box of a man.",
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"text": "(Well, someone may have accused you of slandering TAC, but it's not what we're discussing now, hence, it's not very relevant, I don't think.)",
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"text": "Tim, I did say \"I will not allow this barbarian to continue slandering the college.\" You are correct to infer that by that I meant its alumni.",
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"text": "Meanwhile, you still haven't recanted the formally heretical assertion you made, because we mysteriously pivoted from that topic to the arrogance (or lack thereof) of alumni.",
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"text": "I'm going to go pray for sanity. God help me. Let me know if there's any love to be had here later.",
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"text": "I plan on posting some Simpsons clips, so I suspect so.",
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"text": "I am going to play a board game with my brother. I apologize for preventing you from going to the chapel, PB.",
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"text": "The only sense in which you are pitiful is in the way that you are persisting in your error.\nI came out of TAC knowing far more about my Faith than I did when I was a freshman. And that had nothing to do with the lack of my faith formation beforehand - it had everything to do with the education I received there. So you are simply wrong.",
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"text": "please understand this is why you have offended people. when you say we are all arrogant, I think of my wife, who could not deserve that charge less. I am sure it is the same for others.",
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"text": "When I think about it, a program that requires 2-4 classes a day (usually three), is basically a liberal arts program, with a little les literature but with math and science (however well done) and theology packed in, plus greatly bulking up the philosophy, when a HS student looking for a college sees that and goes that's for me, well maybe only the self-confident ones will do that, and that includes those who should be confident and those who are deluded arrogants and those, like myself, who are both arrogant and rightly confident! So I can see why arrogance is not uncommon...it is not that it is produced by the college but rather that of course brighter people have as a danger arrogance.\nDifferent types of people have different dangers. Just because being intelligent can lead to arrogance, doesn't mean we shouldn't learn...and TAC probably humbles as many as it puffs up, for just the reason that it is a heavy load for most.",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "HAHAHAHA Angela Lessard - that can no longer be debated.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Why the beef, pb? Did you apply and not get into tac?",
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"text": "After the irritation with Peregrine subsides, a sense of boredom replaces it.",
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"text": "Why does Cdom not teach book 3 of Euclid?",
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"text": "Why does all math end with book 2?",
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"text": "You are a former Canadian, former American elected official... I missed the poet part and theologian.",
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"text": "Afghan fries.",
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"text": "WILL IT NEVER BE 6000",
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"text": "I D E C L A R E \nT H I S \nT H R E A D\nD E A D",
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"text": "phew! now was that so hard?",
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"text": "nice. now the six thousandth comment is \"crawl\"",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz-- sorry I ignored all your arguments earlier. I was distracted and now I'm pretty far into my margarita, so maybe tomorrow.",
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"text": "there. I fixed 6000. Now brood. We'll no more merrymaking. Let talk of procreation and procreating be at end.",
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"text": "Sean Robertson: you do not unfollow The Thread. The Thread unfollows you.",
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"text": "This is all getting too Matrix-y for me. \"MIS-ter Anderson ...\"",
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"text": "Noli mihi irritare leones, sed opertet quod quis addat oleum camino.\nJumping back about 3,000 comments, a question. One that pertains to the \"development\" of doctrine. Lagrange distinguishes 6 steps in theology\n1. The positive procedure.\n2. The analytic procedure.\n3. The apologetic procedure.\n4. The manifestative procedure.\n5. The explicative procedure.\n6. The illative procedure.\nIt has been bothering me for a few days, but the illative sense, as Lagrange is using it here (syllogistic reasoning from two premises to a third) is what is missing in Newman, and if he is to avoid evolutionism he has to hold that all such development is done in the other 5 steps, probably the explicative (Lagrange helps, \"To illustrate: take the sentence, The Word, which was God, was made flesh. Against the Arians, that sentence was thus expressed: The Word, consubstantial with the Father, was made man. This consubstantiality with the Father, whatever some writers say, is much more than a theological conclusion, deduced illatively from a revealed truth. It is a truth identical, only more explicitly stated, with that found in the Prologue of St. John's Gospel.)\nIt would seem Newman's \"illative sense\" must be doing something like that to avoid evolutionism.\nBut here is the real problem for those of us without Newman's aversion to illative reasoning. Can illative reasoning give us dogma? Now sometimes two premises, both revealed, conclude in a third that is also stated elsewhere in scripture, more or less explicitly. In that case a syllogism does not give us a new truth, but shows the relations of truth. And since revealed it can be considered dogmatic.\nBut say two truths of faith conclude in a third proposition, not revealed itself. While we would have to admit the certitude of that conclusion, would it merely be a theological conclusion, the denial of which could be condemned by the Church as theological error, but not heresy and over which the infallibility of the magisterium only touches because the logical consequent of its denial is a denial of a premise that is revealed. Or do we hold that it is, in fact, formally revealed, but implicitly.\nIf the latter, would we say that the syllogism only is the cause of subjective certitude, but the objective certitude still is based on God who reveals? The reasoning is not but a condition of us recognizing a more particular truth that was revealed in a more universal one? It seems that this is true, and most Thomists think this.\nNow Lagrange then rejects that a syllogism, wherein one of the premises is of faith, but the other of reason, can be considered formally revealed. He considers them properly theological conclusions, which cannot be dogmatically defined. But it seems to me that the argument above, which he supports, might lend itself to the claim that, at least when the major premise is revealed and the minor premise is by reason, that the conclusion is of faith. Just as revelation presumes a certain context of knowledge, and we have the analytic and explicative procedures for that reason, so too the context of natural knowledge here is merely revealing a more particular truth implicit in the revealed truth.\nOr does this cease to be de fide, because the objective certitude of the conclusion rests on the objective certitude of the premises, and while only the minor premise is of reason, that is still defective compared to revealed truth?\nAnd (maybe I break Kunz's record here), if Lagrange is right, that such cannot be de fide, but only taught infallibly about insofar as the faith inherently presupposes or support such things, then it would seem things like NFP, contraception, abortion, heck most morality cannot be taught as de fide, but only as connected logically to the faith. And hence denial of these doctrines cannot be heresy, except in a extenuated way, the way the denial of the notions of the Trinity may be considered heresy, when one denying them realizes the logical consequent ofthat denial is denial of the trinity, but such denial is in se not heretical.\nAnd now I forget where I was going with this.....",
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"text": "Now if you agree with Lagrange that a third proposition, from premises both de fide divina, can also be defined de fide divina, holding that the syllogism is only a condition of its discovery, whereas the cause ofits truth and knowability is God who reveals, why can't we say the same of a syllogism where the major premise is de fide divina, but the minor premise is know through reason, that its conclusion is also de fide divina, with the minor premise being analogous to, say, the natural knowledge used in the explicative part of theology.\nBy illative I meaning discursive reasoning, reasoning that truly leads from one thing to another proposition. Not a restatement put more explicitly, but a new proposition that follows logically.",
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"text": "I'm not sure about that, because the principle by which one knows the minor premise isn't divine faith: in the case of two de fide premises, all the principles of the conclusion are known by the divine light.",
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"text": "Mr. Boyer, did the ancient Jewish religion have an infallible authority? I suppose Aquinas implies Caiphas spoke infallibly (cf about 2500 comments ago when I quoted the Quodlibetal and canonization....but I don't think that was a nomal part of his office",
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"text": "Thornburg \u201cWhen Pride and a Little Scratching Pen Have Dried and Split the Hearts of Men\u201d: The Impoverishment of Human Knowledge and the Role of Beauty in Science\" I went to the wrong school. This makes me want to go back, seriously.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, at the risk of being obtuse, could I not also claim then that when I say Christ was one Person, two natures, that that is only a theological conclusion, not de fide, because the concept of person is not known by divine light?\nI guess I am trying to discover the line between where reason help illuminate what is revealed, as opposed to reason being illuminated by faith. It seems clear to me if the major premise is of reason, but the minor of faith, it is not de fide divina, because then it amounts to divine revelation bringing out a further truth implicit in natural knowledge.",
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"text": "scratch that, I'm having trouble formulating my response.",
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"text": "Thornburg Seriously, I'm not even done reading them. Each one is better than the last. As my late grandmother would say in Italian*waving one arm in an arc to land in the position of holding her head* \"Mannaggia\".",
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"text": "I guess I want to say that the divine light always presupposes that the illumined intellect has concepts to be \"seen together\" under the influence of that light. When we say that something is known \"de fide\" we're primarily pointing to the conjunctions of concepts asserted under the influence of the divine light rather than stating something about the concepts one is using.\nSo your objection doesn't hold, because it operates at a level presupposed to both matters of revelation and matters of reason.",
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"text": "BTW, what I called de fide divina versus de fide ecclesiatica, I believe is referred to in more recent documents as de fide credenda or de fide tenenda respectively",
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"text": "I don't think it is pressupose to both. It involves judgment, not mere simple apprehension. And judgment can be true or false. Thus one affirms the judgment that the concept of person is predicated of Christ.",
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"text": "I would like to address one final thing to the Troglodyte Pope Peregrine. He has criticized the color of my language, generalized an attribution of foul words to all TAC alum, and stated more than once that he does not like vulgarities hurled his way.\nWell, here he is, 6 months ago, calling a woman a \"Raging Bitch:\" http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/.../wasinger.../\nLooks like the girls on this thread got off lightly with your previous mild insults. Maybe this Catherine Stone McNickle deserved that name. Maybe she didn't. I doubt she did, but that doesn't matter. Admit it Weinberg. You're fine with strong language as long as YOU do it.\nHypocrite.\nWasinger Campaign Goes Sexist\nThis type of language has no place in the Republican Party of Virginia, in political discourse, and deserves much...\nVIRGINIAVIRTUCON.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "Now go away. Poet, my foot.",
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"text": "Wow, just wow.",
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"text": "Thornburg Is there some way to access the complete library of theses? I want to see if anybody has done anything like \"Neural Plasticity of multiple modality activity and the metaphysical benefits of the rosary (ie Mary's gift to us)\"?",
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"text": "You can physicallygo to TAC and see with Viltus will let you dig through old theses....",
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"text": "We teach theology as the Church tells us to teach it, with St. Thomas",
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"text": "Langley, FWIW most Thomists agree with you. A minority think any syllogism that has a premise that is de fide, even if the other is not, concludes in a de fide proposition. While a few hold that this is only true if the major premise it.\nI tried googling to find some of these arguments but the only hits I got were of myself talking about the same question 2 years ago elsewhere!",
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"text": "PB, besides trolling, why do you care soooooooooooo much?",
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"text": "Valerie Acors Thornburg: there should be such a thing. I think now one has to ask college and they get permission from author? Not sure,",
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"text": "They actually ask seniors to sign a statement now giving them permission to distribute their thesis.",
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"text": "We're Catholics. We don't need the bible, and we don't need ... oh, wait ...",
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"text": "I realize this is foolhardy, given that my reading of The Neverending Thread is at like 8%, but I have to ask: is the sinister implication of the Immaculate Conception not appearing thematically in the curriculum supposed to be that the founders, etc. somehow regret that dogma?",
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"text": "(satire)",
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"text": "Comstock isn't much good. But PB's comments there are not right. He really should be blocked, Matthew. Thanks, Isak.",
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"text": "We have Charles de Koninck to teach us about the Immaculate Conception. Go to. Sirrah!",
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"text": "For the record, everyone, tonight in Boise a rehabbing first baseman (Jesus Montero) for Seattle (playing for the Everett Aquasox) reportedly took a bat into the stands to go after a scout after getting into it verbally with said scout. Baseball is the greatest sport of all time. I'm sure Mr. Montero will fit right in here when he is banned from baseball.",
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"text": "It may be that no one other than me cares about this, but I find it completely amazing.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The man is a professional troll, or sock puppet: http://thebullelephant.com/wasinger-campaign-opens-with.../\n\"Mr. Weinberg (if that is indeed who he is) has spread the \u201cresearch\u201d on Comstock using a number of different identities. The Bull Elephant has recorded at least six different identities being used by Mr. Weinberg, all with different email addresses.\"\nWasinger Campaign Opens With Amateurish Smearing of Comstock - The...\nTHEBULLELEPHANT.COM",
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"text": "That is awesome, Tim.",
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"text": "I was at Comerica Park last night watching the Tigers play the Yankees. I do love baseball.",
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"text": "Matthew, please block Peregrine Bonaventure from The Thread.",
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"text": "Scott, the medieval curriculum looked like this:\n- 6 years of philosophical training, starting around 15 (which would bring the student to 21, the approximate age of a TAC graduate)\n- in the seventh year the student could either enter the Theology faculty or Medicine, Canon Law or Civil Law and listen to lectures there for another seven years (~ 28)\n- After that, two years running through the Sentences with beginners. (~30)\n- Then one on the Sentences (~31)\n- Then two years of biblical studies (~33)\n- Then one could participate in the disputes under a master\n- a year later (~34), one delivered one's initial lecture (For example, Bonaventure's De Reductione Artium ad Theologiam)",
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"text": "Notice, however, that you didn't even begin to study theology until after the time at which most students graduate from TAC.",
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"text": "(All this from Dr. Noone at CUA)",
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"text": "All I'm saying is that it might be inappropriate for any theology to be taught to students at that age... after all, look what happens.",
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"text": "I'd like to know more about the campaign thing, actually, I missed that before dropping my little baseball anecdote in (which is, admittedly, hilarious.)\nAre you the same Scott Weinberg?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The guy pictured here looks similar: http://disqus.com/disqus_hcw89l3s7L/\nDisqus \u2013 Scott Weinberg\nDisqus is a global comment system that improves discussion on websites and connects conversations across the web.\nDISQUS.COM\nAugust 29 at 12:45am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 2 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley And here: http://thebullelephant.com/wasinger-campaign-calls.../\nWasinger Campaign Calls Barbara Comstock \"Raging Bitch\": UPDATED - The Bull...\nTHEBULLELEPHANT.COM\nAugust 29 at 12:46am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nKatherine Gardner PB, the 'like' gesture is to be taken as an affirmative? That's a bit wide of the mark to engage seriously.",
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"text": "It's the same entity behind the profile, whoever he is. Like I said thousands of comments ago, I don't trust him. Please block him, Matthew.",
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"text": "I second.",
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"text": "(much as I sort of want to keep him around for entertainment, I think Isak is right. A rational person in this situation would issue a denial when confronted with evidence that one had acted atrociously and unethically. Or at least claim mistaken identity.)",
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"text": "You're a liar.",
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"text": "Because I'm playing the role of Queen of Random on this thread, I just want to say that I can't wait until it hits 6,666 replies. That's all. Carry on.",
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"text": "Oh, it certainly is Scott Weinerg.\nhttps://www.facebook.com/scott.weinberg.16/photos\nOne of those photos, a wedding one, is the same as the avatar in the Twitter screenshot here: http://thebullelephant.com/wp.../uploads/2014/02/raging.jpg",
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"text": "Yes, you are. I've found all your profiles under various names - twitter, blogs, whatever - and it's you. You're a blowhard and a liar.",
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"text": "We cannot trust anything you say and cannot engage a sociopath in conversation. Get out.",
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"text": "Unless Peregrine has the habit of stilling photos from this Scott Weinberg fellow....which would be to admit to another unethical behavior",
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"text": "Scott Weinberg, Christendom College grad who looks remarkably like PB and also remarkably like the person who commented on those articles relating to the 10th VA campaign.\nhttp://warrencountyreport.com/.../south_river_and_the...\nWarren County Report: South River and the Hatch Act\n\u00ab Enchanted Dragon Mirror Maze a roaring good time |...\nWARRENCOUNTYREPORT.COM",
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"text": "He is in the habit of maintaining multiple social media profiles. Get out, Bonaventure. Your behavior disgusts me.",
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"text": "Drag your stinking, rotting, lying carcass away from here, Scott.",
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"text": "If you go to the bull elephant link (http://thebullelephant.com/wasinger-campaign-opens-with.../) the Jonathan Weinberg who calls Ms. McNickle nasty names has a profile picture which is clearly identical to the one I posted above in the Warren County Report link.\nWasinger Campaign Opens With Amateurish Smearing of Comstock - The...\nTHEBULLELEPHANT.COM",
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"text": "excuse me: not identical, but clearly the same person regardless.",
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"text": "Unless Scott has an erstwhile evil twin?",
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"text": "Well Pegegrine, since you are not Scott, but have stolen pictures of his family and his profile pic, I am reporting you to Facebook.",
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"text": "PB, the profile which was posted above uses a thumbnail of you and your children which you used on your Peregrine profile until a couple days ago. So are you stealing Scott's picture, or vice versa?",
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"text": "(If so, it's really, really appalling satire.)",
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"text": "Oh, also, the Scott Weinberg posted above uses the exact same profile picture you currently use, minus your eye blacking. Not appears to be the same person. The same picture.",
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"text": "Matthew, what is to be done about this?",
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"text": "Oh, also appearing on that Scott Weinberg profile? Your profile picture that appears under Jonathan Weinberg.",
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"text": "Stop yammering about dogma and admit you're a lying sociopath.",
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"text": "You are a liar.",
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"text": "Guys, I think he thinks TACers are not only arrogant but stupid.",
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"text": "Wait - the man who spawned 6,000 plus comments on this thread via troll transcended to Dragon Level trolling is a professional?\nAnd you guys are shocked and surprised at this?",
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"text": "This has been nothing but amusement for him all along. We cannot take anything he says about the Catholic faith remotely seriously as long as this ridiculous deception continues.",
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"text": "Good work googling though - should have been done long ago.",
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"text": "Oh, I'm not shocked or surprised. This is typical behavior of trolls.",
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"text": "The game is up, asshole. Knock it off.",
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"text": "Here are some of the profile pictures of Scott Weinberg. Do they look familiar?",
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"text": "If you think theology is memorizing a list of dogma (and Ott, e.g., is just one attempt...there is no official list), you are a blathering idiot.\nI feel sad for your family....to have a father/husband that has nothing better to do than to call women raging bitches, make fake accounts, lie and slander, must be trying....",
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"text": "(Yes, they are crudely copied and pasted together, but anyone can go see them.)",
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"text": "You won't get me mad again, Peregrine. I stand by my former statement. I feel nothing but pity for you.",
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"text": "Scott/Peregrine - whoever you are - you're really doing your alma mater a huge disservice by misleading people. And it's completely undermining your arguments. No one's going to seriously entertain arguments from someone who is clearly trolling. But thanks for the relative entertainment.",
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"text": "So, why are you using Scott Weinberg's photos? Or is it he who is using your photos?",
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"text": "\"In this way [the Teacher] likened unto blind men very many of those who boast that they have a knowledge of theology. \u201cFor almost all who give themselves to the study of theology spend time with certain positive traditions and their forms; and when they know how to speak as do the others whom they have set up as their instructors, they think that they are theologians. They do not know that they are ignorant of that \u2018inaccessible Light in whom there is no darkness.\u2019 \n\u2014Nicholas of Cusa, Apologia doctae ignorantiae",
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"text": "I've just reported this brainless waste of space. I urge you all to do the same.",
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"text": "Samuel A Schmitt, you're friends with both of this person's profiles. Can you bring any clarity to the insanity?",
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"text": "I have too...if he is Scott Weinberg, he has violated FB by having multiple accounts. If not, he has violated intellectual property",
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"text": "\"Insignificant questions\"? Someone is using your photo to call women raging bitches and you think it's insignificant? Dear me.",
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"text": "It is all of them, in principiis suis",
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"text": "Tim - whatever you did on your own time, you were a joy to have in freshman section.",
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"text": "Ugh, freshman section were some great times. I remember you using your laptop to play the imperial march before I did the death star prop. Stupid fun, but honest; like me.",
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"text": "Shut your mouth Peregrine.",
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"text": "We didn't play the imperial march. I don't think Baer would have been down with that.",
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"text": "Peregrine, I already told you; I didn't study anything at TAC! We must stop doing this dance, you and i.",
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"text": "Don't ever let The Immutable Peregrine make you angry, peoples. I've tried to suggest ignoring the madness.",
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"text": "I wish I could have had Tim in section. I would have been immensely entertained.\nBut I had Victor Vincent, Daniel Fleury, Earl Williams, and a flurry of others whose personalities were about as compatible as oil and water. Made for some amazing discussions.",
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"text": "Is it really possible to just collectively ignore this charlatan?",
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"text": "Well, it would be, but as I said, I'm nearly completely serious. It's in the house; part of my charm.",
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"text": "It's called the block function.",
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"text": "Are people really still being surprised by the troll? He's obviously a pro internet bullshitter.",
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"text": "Matthew - but did you know the madness went this far?",
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"text": "Clearly, he's full of it.",
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"text": "I think it's keeping the thread going etc. etc.",
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"text": "Look, you people, lost in ALL OF THIS is the fact that a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER took a BASEBALL BAT into the STANDS OF A MINOR LEAGUE GAME over an ARGUMENT WITH A SCOUT.\nI'm on the verge of peeved at you all for making me almost forget this.",
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"text": "I actually gave you an answer,\nTu, cacans, ejicet merdam ex ore. Redde tuo loco",
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"text": "I guess that quote might have been at Samantha after all.",
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"text": "Eh, I have no shame.",
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"text": "Mr. Boyer, I made the mistake of unblocking in order to report him...FB won't let me reblock him for 48 hrs",
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"text": "Or, rather, belief. The Peregrine has never shown any indication of the possibility of change.",
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"text": "I've been looking in my gif folder for the summation of this thread. Good news; I found it! http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ruu2vc&s=5#.VAAMdvldXoE\nImage - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting\nTinypic\u2122 is a photo and video sharing service that allows...\nTINYPIC.COM",
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"text": "Peregrine, if you say one more insulting word to a woman, you will ensure my fist in your teeth if we ever meet.",
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"text": "Wow, this just got a lot more pleasant.",
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"text": "I consider what I said more of a sarcastic shout in the street",
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"text": "Tim, this makes me sorry I missed Olberman tonight. I'm sure he had a lot of fun with that one.",
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"text": "I won't follow your mistake Mr. Kenz. Once blocked, it stays that way.",
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"text": "Further, it makes the responses to a non-existent entity more amusing.",
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"text": "Peregrine - do you act like this around my brother?",
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"text": "So my disbelief is mainly in people's naive belief that meaningful dialogue of some kind is possible after the provocative questions are asked.",
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"text": "lololol wheeeeeeeeeeee",
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"text": "Can we collectively ignore this Peregrine, this wart on the ass of The Never-Ending Thread? Personally I'm of the opinion it needs to be lanced.",
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"text": "Why is Scott (Peregrine) lying? We know is it him. He was in my class (and 3 others above and below me). He came from Vancouver Island at the time (so he is Canadian originally). He never did make it at TAC. I don't believe he got past sophomore year -- 4 times. He admitted to that 4000 comments ago",
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"text": "Teach me your ways, Andrew. How does one go about this?",
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"text": "Troll the troll you trolled you. Yes. This is the door through which one can enter meta-land.",
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"text": "<---Samwise Gamgee",
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"text": "Was Pope Peregrine the Pinhead not the only troll?",
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"text": "Peregrine, answer me this why do you place the study of economics in front of the study of mathematics? Why are you misogynist?",
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"text": "Guys, Vandy is playing Temple right now and this is going to be the Vandy play of the game as things stand right now: http://www.sbnation.com/.../vanderbilt-escapes-jersey...\nVanderbilt escapes jersey timeout penalty by showing email to ref\nToday in fun with NCAA rules ...\nSBNATION.COM",
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"text": "Ya know, if Matthew blocked him, PB couldn't see this post anymore. I don't think. But that might delete all his comments and hurt the overall comment number. AND NUMBERS MATTER. Because Descartes.",
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"text": "But Peregrine before you answer my question about church dogma first you must answer me how many politicians does it take to pylon a stupid? How can you write up home without knowing reality!",
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"text": "I think the Blessed Book of Beasts should include a Thread Dragon.",
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"text": "Notice how quickly peregrine leaves for ass and very simple questions that he cannot answer is because he doesn't have the answers because his school is fundamentally flawed",
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"text": "Jody - I knew Peregrine Bonaventure was a pseudonym, but I had no idea what a pro this magnificent bastard was.",
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"text": "He's a sadder version of Anthony Wiener. And Peregrine Bonaventure is his version of Carlos Danger.",
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"text": "And commentaries.",
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"text": "And an Index! Several Indices!",
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"text": "John wins today. Well done.",
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"text": "I would like to thank the TNET Academy...",
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"text": "We are very proud of you all over here at World Spirit Networking. Please step right this way towards the door marked \"Labyrinth of Mirrors.\"",
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"text": "And a prayer for The Peregrine before bed.",
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"text": "Well I'm wide awake, unfortunately. Maybe now I can finally go back to convincing Pater Edmund of the worth of The Great Gatsby! I also really want to hear about his dissertation on DFW.",
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"text": "After that everyone found all his other social media profiles with the same pictures, et cetera.",
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"text": "And Callistos can live on my couch, Peregrine.",
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"text": "There are some great deliverance prayers on this site. Once this thread hits 6666, pick one to pray and go to bed! https://www.catholicwarriors.com/pages/warfare_prayers.htm\nSpiritual Warfare & Deliverance - English Prayers\nSpiritual Warfare & Deliverance Prayers - Catholic Resources to Break Free from Demonic attack. More Information about deliverance...\nCATHOLICWARRIORS.COM",
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"text": "A soother, from Late to Love: https://soundcloud.com/wiseblood-records/04-rest-in-you\n4. Rest in You\nSOUNDCLOUD.COM|BY WISEBLOOD-RECORDS",
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"text": "Re. earlier things:\nCASE 1. PLACE 1. Super Sent., lib. 1 q. 1 a. 3 qc. 2 arg. 3. Praeterea, in omni scientia acquiritur aliquis habitus per rationes inductas. Sed in hac doctrina non acquiritur aliquis habitus: quia fides, cui tota doctrina haec innititur, non est habitus acquisitus, sed infusus. Ergo non est scientia.\nCASE 2. PLACE 2. Super Sent., lib. 1 q. 1 a. 3 qc. 2 ad 3. Ad aliud dicendum, quod, sicut habitus principiorum primorum non acquiritur per alias scientias, sed habetur a natura; sed habitus conclusionum a primis principiis deductarum: ita etiam in hac doctrina non acquiritur habitus fidei, qui est quasi habitus principiorum; sed acquiritur habitus eorum quae ex eis deducuntur et quae ad eorum defensionem valent.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, that would seem to go against Lagrange, no? I remember translating that passage now that you quoted it. Didn't think much at the time.",
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"text": "But I think you might be right: i.e. that a conclusion drawn from two de fide premises is not itself de fide since a conclusion is less known than its premises.",
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"text": "But this is funny. Capreolus, Cajetan, John of St. Thomas, the Salamancans, Lagrange, etc all say it is de fide. When both premises are de fide. The dispute seems to always be over whether one with a premise of reason is, with Suarez e.g. saying it is.\nEither I am misunderstanding St. Thomas in the passage quote, he change his mind, or virtually every Thomist has interpreted him wrongly....",
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"text": "What I mean, is that if I were to propose a doctrine like, Mary is Mediatrix of all graces, I think that would follow from de fide principles (i.e. she is the Mother of God, assumed into heaven.) \nHowever, while I think it is true, would it follow that belief and assent to this doctrine is obligatory, before it has been defined by the Church?",
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"text": "Maybe it would have the force of de fide... but I can't see how one could be compelled to believe on pain of being declared a formal heretic without the doctrine being defined.",
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"text": "No, the question is can it ever be define de fide. Or is it relegated to being a theological truth, yes capable of being infallibly taught, but not de fide divina (or de fide credenda, as opposed to de fide ecclesiatica, or de fide tenenda)",
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"text": "Ultima conclusio: propositio immediate deducta per proprium discursum ex duabus pr\u00e6missis formaliter revelatis, quatenus infertur ex illius vi consequenti\u00e6, et illationis, est conclusio theologica; specificative tamen accepta, et considerata est de fide, ob idque tam per fidem, quam per Theologiam possumus illi assentire. H\u00e6c assertio, quam sub h\u00e6c distinctione pauci attigere, redigit ad debitam concordiam dissidium quodest super hac re inter Authores, dum quidam, ut Thomist\u00e6, necnon Molina, Valentia, Torres, Lorca, et alii, absolute docent dictam propositionem esse theologicam; quidam vero, ut Okam, Cano, Vega, Vasq. et alii, quos refert, et sequitur Hurtado disp. 10, sect. 1 \u00a7 2, absolute affirmant, illam esse de fide. Possunt enim recte conciliari,, si primi loquantur de pr\u00e6dicta propositione formaliter, quatenus habet rationem conclusionis illat\u00e6 ex pr\u00e6missis revelatis; ultimi vero sermonem instituant de ipsa specificative accepta, sive considerata pr\u00e6cise ex parte objecti. Et sane quidquid sit de sensu aliorum, Thomist\u00e6 solum loquuntur de illa formaliter, ut est conclusio deducta ex revelatis, ut eos consulenti constabit. Quo sensu verum est pr\u00e6dictam conclusionem esse propositionem theologicam. Nec obstat, quominus alias sit de fide ex eo, quod est deducibilis ex duplici pr\u00e6missa formaliter revelata, ut statim probabimus.\nSalamanticensis, Cursus Theologicus, Tomus 11, Tractus 17 de fide, dispt. 1, dubium IV, para 127\nI think that settles the case with two premises of faith (longest latin quote typed by hand perhaps?)",
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"text": "I just realized I failed to post the rest of it before closing the text program.....",
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"text": "The Thread is absurdly addicting... \nWith regard to many comments back - Smaug is too noble a comparison for the troll. \nAlso, when first I started reading this a week ago, it reminded me of a Terry Pratchett novel. Now all I can think of, besides the ever-mentioned TAC Smoker's Patio, is \"Rosentrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead\". So many glorious exchanges of the profound and profane!",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz had previously said that in one circumstance it would destroy the gift of Faith while in another it would be different.",
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"text": "Well, I thought it was standard teaching that any sin against faith destroys it totally. So I'm wondering how the particular distinction between de fide/theological truth relates to that?",
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"text": "Ah. Destroys the faith simply speaking (i.e. formed faith).",
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"text": "Sic Aquinas in Summa Theologica somewhere...the consequences of denying the notions",
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"text": "I q.32 a.4: \"Respondeo dicendum quod ad fidem pertinet aliquid dupliciter. Uno modo, directe; sicut ea quae nobis sunt principaliter divinitus tradita, ut Deum esse trinum et unum, filium Dei esse incarnatum, et huiusmodi. Et circa haec opinari falsum, hoc ipso inducit haeresim, maxime si pertinacia adiungatur. Indirecte vero ad fidem pertinent ea ex quibus consequitur aliquid contrarium fidei; sicut si quis diceret Samuelem non fuisse filium Elcanae; ex hoc enim sequitur Scripturam divinam esse falsam. Circa huiusmodi ergo absque periculo haeresis aliquis falsum potest opinari, antequam consideretur, vel determinatum sit, quod ex hoc sequitur aliquid contrarium fidei, et maxime si non pertinaciter adhaereat. Sed postquam manifestum est, et praecipue si sit per Ecclesiam determinatum, quod ex hoc sequitur aliquid contrarium fidei, in hoc errare non esset absque haeresi. Et propter hoc, multa nunc reputantur haeretica, quae prius non reputabantur, propter hoc quod nunc est magis manifestum quid ex eis sequatur. Sic igitur dicendum est quod circa notiones aliqui absque periculo haeresis contrarie sunt opinati, non intendentes sustinere aliquid contrarium fidei. Sed si quis falsum opinaretur circa notiones, considerans quod ex hoc sequatur aliquid contrarium fidei, in haeresim laberetur.\"",
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"text": "No, Lendman heresy utterly completely destroys faith. Heretics cannot have the virtue of faith, unformed or otherwise. But one can deny even an infallible teaching that is de fide tenenda rather than de fide credenda and still have the virtue of faith.",
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"text": "Joshua, of course you are right. I misread what you had typed above.",
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"text": "Just to be abundantly clear: Formal heresy does destroy the gift of faith.",
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"text": "As does denying the conclusion of a syllogism from two de fide credenda premises?",
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"text": "FWIW an example given of a theological truth (something that could be aruably be taught infallibly, de fide tenenda, but isn't) is with this syllogism\nEsse sequitur personam\nAtqui in Christo est unica persona\nErgo in Christo est unum esse\nNow the first premise is from reason, the second is de fide divina. therefore the conclusion is not de fide divina, but merely a theological conclusion. Scotus would deny the argument, but that means he would have to deny the first premise.\nAnother example is\nInfused knowledge is necessary so that the human intellect not remain imperfect\nAnd the human intellect of Christ, already on earth, ought not be imperfect\nTherefore, Christ, already on earth, had infused knowledge (S. Th. III q. 9 a. 3)\nThe major premise is not de fide, so neither is the conclusion de fide or definable as dogma\nThe Church could condemn the contrary as erroneus, even infallibly so, but not heretical\nBut\nIt is revealed Christ is true God and true man\nAnd for true humanity a rational soul is essentially required\nTherefore Christ had a rational soul.\nThat conclusion is de fide divina and was defined against the Apolloniarians. It is claimed, by Lagrange, that it is not objectively, but only subjectively illative. It is consider explicative, as leading reason to explain the subject and predicate already given in revelation, and not adding a third truth.\nHe gives no example of two premises concluding in a third truth that is de fide and is not revealed elsewhere..\nBut I suspect it is true of certain Marian doctrines. I cannot see how, e.g., some are in revelation except as deduced...except maybe counting Tradition. The common bard today is to try and claim it is all in scripture, but that is not true of the Assumption, clearly...but that gets into another debate!",
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"text": "Despite having to spend a ridiculous amount of time every day catching up on the latest 500+ comments, The Thread is the best thing to happen to my Facebook. Thank you to everybody who made it happen, even -- or especially -- our very own resident troll. (Can we keep him? Can we keep him?? Pleasepleasepleasepleeeeeeeease???)",
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"text": "But seriously -- I'm glad I kept up with it; I was privy to an amazing display of intellectual discussion (well, the rational half) and I want to thank all you super smart people out there for providing me with all of this metaphysical and theological material that I only got a glimpse of at TAC. I have thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this, and hope to benefit from the bounties of TNET for a while yet ",
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"text": "So, since things have been quiet for awhile, I will share with You O' Thread, my thoughts:",
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"text": "Contemporary theological considerations regarding life between death and resurrection have been fraught with contention and have shifted to a point where the very meaning of resurrection has all but been lost. It was in response to this confusion that the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith issued a declaration reaffirming the ancient faith of the Church.",
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"text": "This document had this in particular to say regarding the soul:\nThe Church affirms that a spiritual element survives and subsists after death, an element endowed with consciousness and will, so that the \"human self\" subsists. To designate this element, the Church uses the word \"soul\", the accepted term in the usage of Scripture and Tradition. Although not unaware that this term has various meanings in the Bible, the Church thinks that there is no valid reason for rejecting it; moreover, she considers that the use of some word as a vehicle is absolutely indispensable in order to support the faith of Christians.\nhttp://www.vatican.va/.../rc_con_cfaith_doc_19790517...\nLETTER ON CERTAIN QUESTIONS CONCERNING ESCHATOLOGY\nThe recent Synods of Bishops dealing with evangelization and catechesis have created increasing awareness of the need for perfect fidelity to the fundamental truths of faith, especially at the present time, when profound changes in human society and the concern to integrate the Christian faith into\u2026\nVATICAN.VA",
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"text": "Then Josef Ratzinger, wrote a commentary on this document and brought it up in relation to the formula adopted by the council of Vienna that the soul is the form of the body. Ratzinger duly noted the Thomistic connection of this formula and made this comment about St. Thomas Aquinas' appropriation of the Aristotelian conception of soul: \u201cThomas took this formulation [the soul is the form of the body] and gave it, in terms of his own thought, a fundamentally new significance.\u201d",
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"text": "However, a careful scrutiny of both Aristotle's and Thomas' treatment of the soul, however, makes it difficult to see how Thomas gives the formulation, \u201cthe soul is the form of the body\u201d a \u201cfundamentally new significance.\u201d To hold such a position seems to ignore the fact that Thomas treats of the soul in several places, and in different ways. This position seems to stem from the belief that Aristotelian thought regarding the soul as the form of the body is necessarily dualistic. Neither of these positions, finally, seem tenable.",
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"text": "I argue that Thomas' use of this formulation is fundamentally the same as Aristotle's and that this in no way contradicts the above teachings regarding soul. However, it is in light of revelation that Thomas is able to approach the soul in a fundamentally new way.",
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"text": "Aristotle's treatment of the soul is limited, quite properly, to a mode proper to philosophy. Thomas in no way rejects this method, but even follows it in certain places in his own work. With the benefit of revelation, however, Thomas is able to approach the consideration of the soul beginning with God but this, nevertheless, does not fundamentally change the meaning of soul as forma corporis, but is an authoritative confirmation of this fundamentally Aristotelian formula.",
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"text": "This seems to fit nicely into the \"faith and reason\" theme and \"Arithomist\" theme.",
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"text": "I think here one sees the way in which faith and reason, and Thomas and Aquinas interact on an important matter of philosophy and theology.",
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"text": "Anyway, most of y'all are still asleep or are just waking up, so I don't expect any thoughts immediately.",
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"text": "However, when anyone who is interested, who is likewise drawn back to the thread gets a chance, I would love to hear thoughts on the matter.",
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"text": "Are you saying you think the \"human self endowed with consciousness and will\" surviving death is an Aristotelian idea?",
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"text": "Also, good morning",
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"text": "Woah-- catching up-- lots went on after I went to bed!!",
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"text": "I remember a lecture at TAC, where a certain Tutor no longer there, got very worked up indeed on whether that-which-survived-death was the person or not.",
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"text": "I may have missed the lecture, I don't remember it, but that never proves anything as bad as my memory can be, but I do remember you telling me about it, Samantha.",
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"text": "Also, can I just say -- I TOLD you guys that Wasteland quote was directed at me. I feel vindicated now.",
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"text": "Who gave it? I can't remember his name. And on that note, is there a way to get a list of the lectures that occured while we were there?",
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"text": "Yeah, I have no idea. But the tutors got REALLY into it.",
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"text": "PB has mental issues. In support I offer this: http://www.slate.com/.../internet_troll_personality_study...\nScience Confirms: Internet Trolls Really Are Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic\nIn the past few years, the science of Internet trollology...\nSLATE.COM",
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"text": "That issue, though related, was not principally on my mind.",
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"text": "Daniel--would you PM me the rest of your paper? (I assume it was the precis or whatever, that you posted above).",
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"text": "Daniel, Aristotle's understanding of what part of the intellect survives is pretty different than what the Church affirms.",
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"text": "Joel HF, I would send it to you if I had finished writing it.",
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"text": "It is not other Matthew. It is continual manifestation of TNET",
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"text": "I think we had better hope that it's more than just an impotent active intellect, though. Aristotle's way of surviving is seriously limited",
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"text": "But if, and to the extent that, that is true, it would have to be a super-added grace.",
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"text": "The Church affirms that a spiritual element survives and subsists after death, an element endowed with consciousness and will, so that the \"human self\" subsists. To designate this element, the Church uses the word \"soul\", the accepted term in the usage of Scripture and Tradition. >>> I'm just going off of what Daniel quoted",
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"text": "But Daniel, you never responded to my question 1000 comments ago about St. Paul.",
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"text": "Remember, when you were all like \"St. Paul and the Fathers are against NFP! Have fun! See ya!\"",
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"text": "At the same time, they would say that the conjugal act that deliberately avoids pregnancy would be venially sinful in the context of marriage.",
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"text": "Ok, Daniel, I have literally never heard that sex during infertile times is venially sinful. I'm quite sure there's no such notion in Paul (or the Bible). Sounds like something that comes from the view that sex's sole valid purpose is for procreation, which I thought had been pretty thoroughly repudiated.",
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"text": "What, you mean, when one of us dies?",
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"text": "Just to be very clear: I only hold this position with very tentatively. The reason I do hold it, is because I don't know how else to read the Scriptures and the Fathers and appreciate the tradition of the Church.",
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"text": "1Cor 7:1-3 - It is good for a man not to touch a woman.\n2 But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.\n3 Let the husband render the debt to his wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband.",
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"text": "Yes, and he gives lots of reasons for this position, none of which are that married sex is sinful.",
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"text": "Samantha: This is the passage I was thinking of \"Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.\"",
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"text": "I said: It seems that the Fathers and St. Paul would teach us that marital act that deliberately avoids conception would be venially sinful.",
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"text": "\"At the same time, they would say that the conjugal act that deliberately avoids pregnancy would be venially sinful in the context of marriage.\"",
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"text": "That is different that saying \"Infertile sex is sinful.\"",
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"text": "and also:\"The cool thing about marriage is that something that normally would be mortally sinful, becomes merely venially sinful.\"",
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"text": "I have to take my kids to school and go to the gym. I leave this to you, Michael. Though I guess we have already won.",
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"text": "And I changed this: \"The cool thing about marriage is that something that normally would be mortally sinful, becomes merely venially sinful.\"\nTo \n\"A cool thing about marriage is that something that normally would be mortally sinful, becomes merely venially sinful.\"",
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"text": "Beitia--you are just now figuring this out? Also, you should have seen/heard Big Angry Daniel at TAC. I think he wanted the women's dress-code to be Burkas at all times, even in the dorm. ",
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"text": "NOT PURITANICAL. that is just pbish lack of distinguishing and you know it.",
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"text": "Wait! It's August! School in August is immoral.",
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"text": "Daniel--I know. And re \"severe lack of prudence\" you and me both!",
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"text": "Scott, that is the best thing I have ever seen you post.",
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"text": "If your contributions continue along that vein, we can be friends!",
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"text": "^Don't speak too soon^\nLinda Blair always comes back",
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"text": "Samantha--I would like to hear your take on what I said about St. Paul and continence above--as your duties to your family allow, of course.",
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"text": "In re to the above: I think the stronger notion of the union of humanity helped them see how marriage and children are really ordered to the good of all humanity.",
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"text": "One more qualifier: The position I have forwarded is not one that \"I want\" to be true. I am really earnestly, and honestly just trying to understand where the teachings of Scripture and the Fathers take us.",
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"text": "Hahaha! Remember when you started that petition to make the dress code stricter? Good times. : )",
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"text": "at the same time, we need to understand how marriage leads the married to sanctity, not just \"Makes moral sin venial\"",
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"text": "I am so tempted to wade into this but I no I shouldn't get caught.",
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"text": "reading of the early Canadian martyrs, the married pioneers did at a point start living without intercourse. Edifying not puritanical.",
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"text": "Okay, fine, I'm in. I don't think that the fact that virginity for the sake of the Kingdom is the higher calling means that the lesser calling is in any way sinful. And what does that have to do with the NFP issue itself?",
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"text": "Again, \"It is an abomination to say that the conjugal union is inherently sinful.\"",
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"text": "The ultimately striving for celibacy thing means, as far as I can tell, that all are destined for the wedding feast of the Lamb and no one will be having sex with anybody there. Meanwhile some live that now, as celibates. But the idea that married people should strive to be more and more celibate is cuh-razy (and probably contrary to their vows?)",
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"text": "I guess most or half or at least 40% of all eating even outside of gluttony/too much quantitatively would be sinful under this definition.",
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"text": "Certainly booze and candy would be at least venial sins. Heh. Individual act not ordered to the central or primary natural end.",
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"text": "\"For in matrimony as well as in the use of matrimonial rights there are also secondary ends [beyond procreation], such as mutual aid, the cultivating of mutual love, and the quieting of concupiscencce which hsband and wife are not forbidden to consider so long as they are subordinated to the primary end and so long as the insrinsic nature of the act is preserved.\"",
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"text": "Lendman, what do you take \"intrinsic nature of the act\" to mean?\\",
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"text": "Have you noticed that if you use text->speech feature on mac to catch up on the thread the robo-voice sounds like a valley girl because it says \"like\" constantly?",
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"text": ">>I knew the thread would turn to a discussion of sexual intercourse eventually.<<\nThe Catholic version of Godwin's Law.",
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"text": "Here's something I wrote on NFP on another thread. (Not written for TACers so forgive the \"Philosophy of Nature for Dummies\" part):\n\u00abI\u2019ve been mulling this over, and there are lots of things I would like to say, but I I\u2019ll just respond to what Steve H wrote above about nature, since I think the meaning of \u201cnature\u201d is really key to thinking about these things. I\u2019m not sure whether I can say this as clearly as I would like, but I\u2019ll give it a try.\nWhen the fathers and doctors of the Church use the term \u201cnature\u201d they usually mean by it a principle change and rest that is in a thing making that thing be what it is. So the \u201cnature\u201d of a tree is the principle in the tree according to which the tree grows and stops growing, stretches out toward the sun, bears fruit, etc. Now this nature is seen as being directed toward a goal, toward a good, that the thing is supposed to realize. So nature is a kind of direction within a thing toward a particular good that it is supposed to realize. But to be directed toward a the good presupposes some kind of knowledge, so St. Thomas Aquinas defines nature as a kind of impression of the Divine Reason on creatures; the nature of each thing is a kind of participation in the divine wisdom by which that thing is directed towards its end. This is the sense of nature from which natural law is derived: human beings are directed by this innate impression of divine wisdom to seek self-preservation, reproduction, friendship, knowledge of God etc. and to shun what is destructive of those goods.\nNow nature in this sense is what makes a thing to be what it is. A tree is a tree because of the sort of participation in the divine wisdom that it has, a participation that orders it to the sort of good that can be realized by a tree. A human person on the other hand is human because of her nature. Now, this sense of nature applies not only to human beings as natural things, but also to human _actions_ and this is the crucial point for understanding the teaching of Humanae Vitae. Human actions, because they are directed by human nature, can be said to \u201chave\u201d \u201ca nature.\u201d One can look a kind of human actions and ask \u201cwhat is the nature of this sort of act\u201d\u2013i.e. what is the innate ordering to a goal that this kind of act has. In our case one can ask \u201cWhat is the nature of the sexual act? What is the innate order toward a good goal in it that makes it to be sexual intercourse and not something else?\u201d\nI want to discuss an example that I think is closely parallel to the example of the sexual act and NFP vs. contraception. It too is an example that many people find hard to understand, and for the same reason, but I think it can help us to understand what \u201cnatural\u201d means in this context. The example I have in mind is telling the truth and deceiving by equivocation vs lying. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches: \u201cBy its very _nature_, lying is to be condemned.\u201d (2485) This is based on St. Thomas\u2019s analysis of the nature of speech. Speech is by \u201cnature\u201d ordered to communicate the thoughts that a person has in her mind, if she (or he I\u2019m trying not to offend anyone here\u2026) says something which is directly contrary to what she thinks, then she violates the nature of speech, the action is \u201cunnatural.\u201d Thus the whole class of actions called lies is intrinsically bad and can never be good. Nevertheless, in certain emergences it can be morally good to deceive someone by equivocation, that is by saying something true which they are liable to misunderstand. Classic example: St. Athanasius fleeing his persecutors by boat, orders his men to turn the boat around and sail straight toward the persecutors, the persecutors ask his men \u201chave you seen Athanasius,\u201d and his men answer (on his orders), \u201cyes, he is near by.\u201d The persecutors hurry on up stream.\nWhat is the difference between lying and equivocating in such a situation? In both cases one is intending to deceive. But in the case of a lie you are directly acting against the nature of the act of speech\u2013it\u2019s the wrong _kind_ of act that you are doing. When you equivocate you are certainly not _intending_ to communicate truth, but the act nevertheless is the right _kind_ of act, it has the _nature_ of true speech, even though in this case you sure hope it won\u2019t succeed in communicating truth.\nThe case of NFP and contraception is similar.\nThe primary end of sexual intercourse is reproduction. Of course sex also realizes other goods: the union of the spouses, pleasure etc. But the one that defines it, that makes it to be what it is, that gives it it\u2019s nature is reproduction.\nSimilarly communicating the truth is not the only good that speech realizes\u2013speech also strengthens relationships, sounds nice etc. But it is communicating truth that gives speech its nature\u2013it is the primary natural end of speech from which all the others flow. Hence St. Thomas teaches that one even the so-called \u201cfriendly lie\u201d (lying out of politeness: \u201cyou look great\u201d), or the jocose lie (April fool\u2019s jokes), are sinful.\nSo the question w/r/t contraception is: \u201cWhat kind of act is this?\u201d What Paul VI teaches (and John Paul II expands on at great length), is that contraception changes the kind of act that one is doing\u2013it\u2019s not just that one is not _intending_ to re-produce, it\u2019s that the kind of act one is choosing is not a re-productive kind of act all. It doesn\u2019t have the nature of proper sex, and hence it is unnatural. It is like a lie.\nNFP on the other hand is more like equivocation. In an emergency situation (whether caused by unjust economic structures or sickness or whatever), one does not want the sexual act to result in pregnancy. So one chooses to engage in a true sexual act, but in such a way that it will not result in pregnancy. Just as Athanasius\u2019s sailors say something _true_ but in a way that will not communicate the truth.\nThis is hard to see for us because the modern idea of nature is very different from the true one. The natural world is seen by the moderns as a kind of machine with parts acted on by blind force, rather than an order of things directed from within by impressions of the divine wisdom. That I think is why so many people protested against Humanae Vitae. I think the main point of Bl. John Paul II\u2019s Theology of the Body is to try to recover the traditional view of the nature of the human acts that this teaching is based on. In the final audience he says that the whole series was ordered to understanding the teaching of Humanae Vitae. What he tries to show finally is that this teaching is about our very structure as creatures of God; about the impression in us of the divine wisdom.\u00bb",
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"text": "<<>>I knew the thread would turn to a discussion of sexual intercourse eventually.<<\nbut muh theology of the body.",
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"text": "\"For intercourse of marriage for the sake of begetting hs not fault; but for the satisfying of lust, but yet with husband or wife, by reason of the faith of the bed, it has venial fault;\"\nAugustine, On the Good of Marriage, 6.",
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"text": "I also agree with Samantha up to a point about certain things the Fathers say about women being not quite right. But the Fathers are nothing compared to our very own Saint Albert the Great. I'm afraid St. Albert had some bad experiences with a lady in Cologne that rather colored his view of the fairer sex.",
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"text": "Andrews Yeah....or St. Jerome. His blowing up when some lady friend of his announced she was getting married. EPIC.",
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"text": "which is to say there is no replacement for a well-formed conscience and a good spiritual director",
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"text": "Ain't no Puritan like a Catholic Puritan because a Catholic Puritan can cite St. Augustine.",
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"text": "Lucy--weren't St. Th\u00e9r\u00e8se of Lisieux's parents celibate for large periods of their marriage? I don't see what they would be wrong. I also don't see why the converse would be wrong either, of course.",
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"text": "^Epic win^ \"Ain't no Puritan like a Catholic Puritan because a Catholic Puritan can cite St. Augustine\"",
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"text": "St Albert on women part one:",
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"text": "And of course, St. Jerome, and St. Albert, and St. Francis de Sales, etc.",
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"text": "Lips that sin by eating candy shall not touch my own!",
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"text": "Andrews Joel HF, my understanding was that Louis and Zellie WANTED to be celibate, but were told no by their spiritual director.",
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"text": "Father Buckley's argument against smoking is that no woman (or man, as appropriate) would want to kiss you if you had smoker's breath. But he is a Jesuit, of course, and not to be trusted. ",
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"text": "All from: http://books.google.at/books?id=vCFFpzofHqIC&lpg=PA5...\nQuestions Concerning Aristotle's On Animals (The Fathers of the Church,...\nBOOKS.GOOGLE.AT",
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"text": "Andrews Ah Magnus, Magnus, Magnus. SMH.",
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"text": "Bekah Sims--that could be right, but I thought they were celibate for a long while before (under their spiritual director) discerning a call for children. I don't have any position here, but I don't see why a couple that mutually agreed to abstain for a period of time (even a long period of time, if they were able) would be doing anything wrong. Just as I don't see why a couple that didn't abstain would be doing anything wrong either.",
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"text": "Another thing that we should perhaps think about is that some things were just lost in The Fall. It is certainly true that concupiscence is one of the things man must always live with. I think this was driving a great deal of what the Fathers were saying and thinking about marriage.",
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"text": "I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong of course about a married couple deciding to be celibate (though I think it's kind of weird) if it is a mutual decision. But I don't think it is what marriage is ordered to as Daniel said. Nor is not doing so a venial sin.",
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"text": "Andrews Joel....I would think if both spouses were on board, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. Unless their motivations were off. Or it was based misunderstanding of Church teaching. Which wouldn't make them wrong, but make the situation not good.",
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"text": "I would actually be interested in hearing what people think of my lying:equivocation::contraception:NFP proportion above.",
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"text": "As I said above, I have no attachment to any outcome to this argument. Sadly, all that seems to be said against what seems to be the position of the Fathers and Scripture and Tradition is \"It's Puritanical!\"",
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"text": "Andrews I would think if being celibate was a choice in marriage....is indicative of something amiss. Perhaps physically or something, because it isn't natural. And it isn't how God designed marriage.",
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"text": "That St. Albert article is highly amusing!",
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"text": "Daniel--I don't think that's fair. Arguments have been given on both sides. Other than a few jokes, no one (here at least) is dismissing any of the positions out of hand, I don't think. Which is amazing, given the subject and the forum.",
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"text": "Andrews Pater Edmund, I have no idea where that comment of yours was made and am too lazy to look for it in the hundreds of comments above.....feel free to repeat it for me. (pretty please)",
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"text": "ahh . . . Like grandad used to say: its much easier to ridicule ones father than try to understand.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund--this thread moves way too fast. Where did you give that proportion or whatever?",
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"text": "OK, Bekah, repeating. Sorry it's kind of long:\nHere's something I wrote on NFP on another thread. (Not written for TACers so forgive the \"Philosophy of Nature for Dummies\" part):\n\u00abI\u2019ve been mulling this over, and there are lots of things I would like to say, but I I\u2019ll just respond to what Steve H wrote above about nature, since I think the meaning of \u201cnature\u201d is really key to thinking about these things. I\u2019m not sure whether I can say this as clearly as I would like, but I\u2019ll give it a try.\nWhen the fathers and doctors of the Church use the term \u201cnature\u201d they usually mean by it a principle change and rest that is in a thing making that thing be what it is. So the \u201cnature\u201d of a tree is the principle in the tree according to which the tree grows and stops growing, stretches out toward the sun, bears fruit, etc. Now this nature is seen as being directed toward a goal, toward a good, that the thing is supposed to realize. So nature is a kind of direction within a thing toward a particular good that it is supposed to realize. But to be directed toward a the good presupposes some kind of knowledge, so St. Thomas Aquinas defines nature as a kind of impression of the Divine Reason on creatures; the nature of each thing is a kind of participation in the divine wisdom by which that thing is directed towards its end. This is the sense of nature from which natural law is derived: human beings are directed by this innate impression of divine wisdom to seek self-preservation, reproduction, friendship, knowledge of God etc. and to shun what is destructive of those goods.\nNow nature in this sense is what makes a thing to be what it is. A tree is a tree because of the sort of participation in the divine wisdom that it has, a participation that orders it to the sort of good that can be realized by a tree. A human person on the other hand is human because of her nature. Now, this sense of nature applies not only to human beings as natural things, but also to human _actions_ and this is the crucial point for understanding the teaching of Humanae Vitae. Human actions, because they are directed by human nature, can be said to \u201chave\u201d \u201ca nature.\u201d One can look a kind of human actions and ask \u201cwhat is the nature of this sort of act\u201d\u2013i.e. what is the innate ordering to a goal that this kind of act has. In our case one can ask \u201cWhat is the nature of the sexual act? What is the innate order toward a good goal in it that makes it to be sexual intercourse and not something else?\u201d\nI want to discuss an example that I think is closely parallel to the example of the sexual act and NFP vs. contraception. It too is an example that many people find hard to understand, and for the same reason, but I think it can help us to understand what \u201cnatural\u201d means in this context. The example I have in mind is telling the truth and deceiving by equivocation vs lying. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches: \u201cBy its very _nature_, lying is to be condemned.\u201d (2485) This is based on St. Thomas\u2019s analysis of the nature of speech. Speech is by \u201cnature\u201d ordered to communicate the thoughts that a person has in her mind, if she (or he I\u2019m trying not to offend anyone here\u2026) says something which is directly contrary to what she thinks, then she violates the nature of speech, the action is \u201cunnatural.\u201d Thus the whole class of actions called lies is intrinsically bad and can never be good. Nevertheless, in certain emergences it can be morally good to deceive someone by equivocation, that is by saying something true which they are liable to misunderstand. Classic example: St. Athanasius fleeing his persecutors by boat, orders his men to turn the boat around and sail straight toward the persecutors, the persecutors ask his men \u201chave you seen Athanasius,\u201d and his men answer (on his orders), \u201cyes, he is near by.\u201d The persecutors hurry on up stream.\nWhat is the difference between lying and equivocating in such a situation? In both cases one is intending to deceive. But in the case of a lie you are directly acting against the nature of the act of speech\u2013it\u2019s the wrong _kind_ of act that you are doing. When you equivocate you are certainly not _intending_ to communicate truth, but the act nevertheless is the right _kind_ of act, it has the _nature_ of true speech, even though in this case you sure hope it won\u2019t succeed in communicating truth.\nThe case of NFP and contraception is similar.\nThe primary end of sexual intercourse is reproduction. Of course sex also realizes other goods: the union of the spouses, pleasure etc. But the one that defines it, that makes it to be what it is, that gives it it\u2019s nature is reproduction.\nSimilarly communicating the truth is not the only good that speech realizes\u2013speech also strengthens relationships, sounds nice etc. But it is communicating truth that gives speech its nature\u2013it is the primary natural end of speech from which all the others flow. Hence St. Thomas teaches that one even the so-called \u201cfriendly lie\u201d (lying out of politeness: \u201cyou look great\u201d), or the jocose lie (April fool\u2019s jokes), are sinful.\nSo the question w/r/t contraception is: \u201cWhat kind of act is this?\u201d What Paul VI teaches (and John Paul II expands on at great length), is that contraception changes the kind of act that one is doing\u2013it\u2019s not just that one is not _intending_ to re-produce, it\u2019s that the kind of act one is choosing is not a re-productive kind of act all. It doesn\u2019t have the nature of proper sex, and hence it is unnatural. It is like a lie.\nNFP on the other hand is more like equivocation. In an emergency situation (whether caused by unjust economic structures or sickness or whatever), one does not want the sexual act to result in pregnancy. So one chooses to engage in a true sexual act, but in such a way that it will not result in pregnancy. Just as Athanasius\u2019s sailors say something _true_ but in a way that will not communicate the truth.\nThis is hard to see for us because the modern idea of nature is very different from the true one. The natural world is seen by the moderns as a kind of machine with parts acted on by blind force, rather than an order of things directed from within by impressions of the divine wisdom. That I think is why so many people protested against Humanae Vitae. I think the main point of Bl. John Paul II\u2019s Theology of the Body is to try to recover the traditional view of the nature of the human acts that this teaching is based on. In the final audience he says that the whole series was ordered to understanding the teaching of Humanae Vitae. What he tries to show finally is that this teaching is about our very structure as creatures of God; about the impression in us of the divine wisdom.\u00bb",
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"text": "Andrews Daniel, it's not that it's Puritanical, it's that those comments lack the fullness of truth as taught by the Church. Augustine's views on marriage and sex aren't what come from the Chair of Peter.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, my object to the comparison is that deception is only permissible when one is deceiving someone who is not a valid authority. To describe this more generically:\nThe situation must be an emergency and with regard to something that is not owed anything more by right.\nIt seems that, with NFP, there is always a \"legitimate authority,\" or someone that is owed something more, namely, (I think) humanity, and the Church.",
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"text": "Well, Casti Conubii could be seen as Augustine's On the Good of Marriage made into an encyclical.",
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"text": "Good morning everyone I have a Jesus Montero update for you\nhttp://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140829...\nNot Found\nMILB.COM",
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"text": "Since new people have arrived I should make a few things clear that I said above: Just to be very clear: I only hold this position with very tentatively. The reason I do hold it, is because I don't know how else to read the Scriptures and the Fathers and appreciate the tradition of the Church.",
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"text": "Joel HF, what you said above is fair.",
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"text": "I don't think your objections stands, Big Angry Daniel, because in an emergency situation you aren't doing the Church any harm by using NFP.",
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"text": "What did I say above?",
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"text": "Pater, i dont think it works. NFP seems ordered to mitigating concupiscence and thus venial. We ought to strive higher not that i do. We deny flesh to be increase spiritually - thus do we grow one with our end and paradoxically more unified with our spouse.",
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"text": "Joel HF about people giving arguments,",
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"text": "If one is deliberately avoiding conception, isn't one deliberately avoiding bringing more members into the Church?",
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"text": "If Dan is Big Angry again, is Pater Edmund \"Tommy Wally\" now too? Or does the dignity of his office as a priest (and not of course his personal dignity--a prophet in his own country [alma mater] and all that--) preclude such nicknames?",
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"text": "So, Ruplinger, your position is that equivocation is sometimes better than silence, but continence is always better than NFP? Is that what you are saying?",
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"text": "^This doesn't seem unreasonable.",
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"text": "Andrews I think I see the comparison you are making Pater Edmund, but I don't agree. For a couple using the naturally occurring infertile time, there is nothing different in the act on their part. The fact that it does not bring for a child is simply a result of the nature God created. They are still completely ordered towards life.",
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"text": "WHy??",
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"text": "Andrews NFP is continence.",
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"text": "But Bekah, equivocation is ordered toward truth in exactly the same sense.",
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"text": "continence and NFP have different aims. So yes.",
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"text": "Except when one deliberately engages in the conjugal act at such a time that one will not conceive.",
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"text": "I don't see why it would have to be venial. Perhaps NFP wouldn't be the best response, just as marriage is lower than virginity, but that something is imperfect does not make it sinful.",
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"text": "Andrews Daniel, no that's not right. There is no hall of souls waiting to be released into the Church. There are unique individuals endowed with a unique soul created by God at the moment of their conception.",
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"text": "\"equivocation is ordered toward truth in exactly the same sense\" - as is TNET?",
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"text": "Alright, I'm going to go read some heretical German moral theology now. (For my studies, not for fun).",
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"text": "Bekah, that is not what was trying to imply.",
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"text": "Also, even now, times of infertility is not an exact science. Certainly at the time of the Fathers, there would have been very little way to determine when a child was or was not likely to result.",
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"text": "Okay, why is making use of the infertile time necessarily concupiscent? I mean it might be, but that seems accidental. The real moral issue, it seems to me, is whether or not there is a good reason to avoid the fertile time",
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"text": "Andrews I guess I see equivocation as trying to cheat your way out of telling the truth, kinda the whole Jesuit mental reservation thing, and maybe I don't understand it properly. But using naturally occurring infertile times isn't waffling on the truth in any way shape or form. It's using the time God created.",
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"text": "If procreation always had to be primary, then it would seem a serious scandal when persons , who through age or infirmity cannot conceive, marry?",
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"text": "^Agreed w/ Lucy above.",
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"text": "Andrews OK, Daniel. I just don't think you can say that by being NOT pregnant you are keeping members from the church.",
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"text": "Lucy, I don't know the answer to this question: Okay, why is making use of the infertile time necessarily concupiscent?\nbut I think the answer is concupiscence.",
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"text": "Andrews Why Daniel? I mean, what leads you to that answer to Lucy's question?",
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"text": "When children are a distinct possibility, the act is inherently unselfish and then open to being done without sin. Though even this is hard to accomplish.",
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"text": "VENIAL SIN IS NOT GRAVE!",
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"text": "Andrews But, that's the thing with NFP.....children are always a distinct possibility. Even when you think you're using an infertile time. I just changed infertile time's diaper.",
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"text": "Only if it is habitual and leads one away from God.",
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"text": "But that is what I meant by serious Joel HF. I will edit.",
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"text": "Andrews No, sin is bad. Always. And to be avoided, always. And having sex with your wife, when her chances of getting pregnant are slim.....not a sin. It's a good.",
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"text": "Similarly, the jocular lie is a sin, but you probably have a lot worse sins to work on and confess.",
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"text": "Here is a thought: a stable and loving relationship with your spouse is suppose to be the best thing you can do for your kids... Sex is suppose to help that. Does this mean even infertile-time sex can be for the greater benefit of the family?",
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"text": "Andrews in my eyes Katie, yes. Also, denying yourself at any time in the marriage, especially for the greater good of the marriage, children and spouses, is a great good.",
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"text": "we want to be better than habituated to venial sin: ergo the interest in this discussion. But i agree that continence leads to closer union with God AND spouse, but thir is only possible by grace and it is inconceivable ( ) in our society: et eam tenebrae non comprehenderunt.",
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"text": "Andrews No it wouldn't. It would be better to use the body, as created by God. Which means naturally occurring ebbs and flows to fertility. God created the body to carry life only sometimes.",
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"text": "It is important to remember that the process of moral growth and development is practical. It is not open to an imposition of ideals. We should not be surprised if most of us take a long time to achieve sanctity. Indeed, the Fathers say that sanctity in marriage progresses at a \"hen's pace\" (i.e. slowly).",
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"text": "2362 \"The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude.\"145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure: \nThe Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146 \n2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life.",
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"text": "As far as I can tell, there is only one mere creature to whom one can wholly commit oneself that will in no way hinder your growth in holiness, and rather further it, and that is the Blessed Virgin Mary.",
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"text": "\"At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.\" This is the whole question. What does this mean.",
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"text": "From the catechism Daniel",
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"text": "\"For in matrimony as well as in the use of matrimonial rights there are also secondary ends [beyond procreation], such as mutual aid, the cultivating of mutual love, and the quieting of concupiscencce which hsband and wife are not forbidden to consider so long as they are subordinated to the primary end and so long as the insrinsic nature of the act is preserved.\"",
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"text": "Andrews Why does Casti Conubii trump the Catechism? Shouldn't they both be read together? It's not one or the other. It's both together, with ALL the Church teaching on marriage.",
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"text": "The worldly evidence of people having a sacramental marriage who cannot conceive is dealt with only as the highest good is that of only committing habitual venial sin?",
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"text": "All I will say is, what determines the object?",
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"text": "Andrews Oh no. Don't debate me.....I'm supposed to be doing countless other things. Really, gotta go!",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "But you went to TAC, Daniel Lendman. We aren't ALLOWED to read magisterial documents!",
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"text": "Damn. I am found out!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'm done working out....but now there is too much...",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Now it is known that I am a Puritanical magesterium quoting, non-dull academic.",
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"text": "I feel like this is not the sort of thread where one can confine oneself to a discussion with one person. Engage the mob, or not at all.",
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"text": "Joel, I remember all the Magisterial documents were locked up in a cage. You had to get special permission just to LOOK at them.",
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"text": "The thread has no rules.",
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"text": "I would like to point out to everyone that Pater Edmund affirmed my earlier, highly disputed statements about the church Fathers",
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"text": "Puritan with two kids less than a year apart ",
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"text": "Adrw Lng, your paper on the moral act would come in handy, now.",
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"text": "Please?",
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"text": "The CCC stuff should lead nicely into the upcoming SSPX debacle, I mean debate.",
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"text": "I remember editing that paper...",
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"polarity": 153,
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"name": "John Hall",
"text": "Magisterium magisterium magisterium!!!!\nIma quote paragraph 75 now!\n\"The morality of the human act depends primarily and fundamentally on the \"object\" rationally chosen by the deliberate will\"",
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"text": "I am leaving if SSPX comes up.",
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"polarity": 153,
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "Sometimes I wonder if you people are real people or if I dream you all.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "I will have to look for it...",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Then we are agreed, John.",
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"polarity": 169,
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "Then I remember that my imagination is not nearly this good.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Oh I want that paper too!",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "However we can further analyze the object into formal and material elements.",
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"text": "<<<I think that Joel HF is right, though, that you would have to account for this verse: \"Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.\">>>",
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"text": "Please let's not get into the whole SSPX thing, that's worse than the NFP thing.",
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"text": "Here's my short ACPA version...not sure what you need I'm not caught up LOL\nhttp://www.scribd.com/.../Andrew-M-Lang-ACPA-2009-Article",
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"text": "Going back to that, I would say that there isn't anything I need to account for in that",
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"text": "A good source is Fr. Pilsner's book on the Object of the Act. Too bad it's like $100.",
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"name": "John Hall",
"text": "Here's another post!\n\"By the object of a given moral act, then, one cannot mean a process or an event of the merely physical order, to be assessed on the basis of its ability to bring about a given state of affairs in the outside world. Rather, that object is the proximate end of a deliberate decision which determines the act of willing on the part of the acting person. Consequently, as the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches, \"there are certain specific kinds of behaviour that are always wrong to choose, because choosing them involves a disorder of the will, that is, a moral evil\".127 And Saint Thomas observes that \"it often happens that man acts with a good intention, but without spiritual gain, because he lacks a good will. Let us say that someone robs in order to feed the poor: in this case, even though the intention is good, the uprightness of the will is lacking. Consequently, no evil done with a good intention can be excused. 'There are those who say: And why not do evil that good may come? Their condemnation is just' (Rom 3:8)\"",
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"text": "^Outstanding book",
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"text": "Joel, i dont think anyone here would go to bat for the SSPX. I am closest and wouldnt.",
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"text": "Fasting from sex sometimes is recommended, doesn't mean it's usually venially sinful, or whatever Big Angry is claiming.",
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"text": "And a really nice guy. ALthough I remember telling him I was using his book to critique Finnis. Then Dr. Jensen pulled me aside to tell me Finnis directed Pilsner's dissertation. FOOT IN MOUTH.",
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"text": "^ lol!",
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"text": "And, Joel, preventing of lust is one of the purposes of marriage. So what? It's not the only purpose, or the main one, it just happens to be the one Paul mentions there",
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "thanks, everyone, for reminding me that I am a mental midget.",
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"text": "I never held that abstinence is venially sinful, neither, to my knowledge, did the Fathers.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Great story John Boyer",
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"text": "Well then avoiding conception through abstinence can't be venially sinful",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Instead of talking about SSPX or NFP, we could always talk about lying to a Nazi when you are hiding Jews in your house. That should be good for several hundred comments.",
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"text": "At least not as an abuse of sex, possibly as an abuse of some other kind, like generosity or something",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "And we have Thomas for that one! (More directly!)",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Joel brought that up Samantha because your account of why St. Paul recommends against marriage only included \"serving the Gospel.\" \nThe point is that is seems from that text that St. Paul is encouraging celibacy and allowing the conjugal act.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No, he's encouraging celibacy and allowing marriage.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "I can't figure out how to post my MA thesis, I can email a copy if anyone needs it LOL",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That's a very different point",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "7000 \"at\"",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Yes please!",
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "Adrw: try dropbox and sharing publicly",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "If the act of abstinence is not intrinsically bad, and if the act of having sex at infertile periods is not intrinsically wrong, the intention will have to give species, no?",
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"text": "\"This is a false statement: The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life.\"\nI'd say it's less wrong than imprecise and given to misinterpretation, Daniel",
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"text": "(These are times I go to Joshua Kenz and his million moral manuals just waiting to be combed through)",
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"text": "I don't. Cause he'll just post 10 paragraphs in Latin and it will take too long to translate.",
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"name": "John Hall",
"text": "Albigensianism is fun!",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Does this work? \nhttp://www.scribd.com/.../Andrew-Lang-MA-Thesis-Complete...\nAndrew Lang MA Thesis Complete Archival Version 4-1-11\nScribd is the world's largest social reading and publishing site.\nSCRIBD.COM",
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"text": "YARP",
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"text": "The question comes to this: If one engages in the conjugal act with the intention of avoiding pregnancy, the question comes to this, \"why?\" \nSt. Paul seems to encourage spouses to periods of continence and says that if they can't do to temptation (to lust) then they should engage in the marital act. \nSpousal unity can be attained and perfectly so in marriage, without the conjugal act.",
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"text": "(I ask for the dummy version)",
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"text": "Paul would love it if everyone would stay single and devote themselves to spreading the gospel. However, he recognizes that some people would burn up with passion if they did that, so he admits that marriage is perfectly fine thing to do. He's not really even talking about sex",
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"text": "You are joining up passages that don't go together. He is not saying spouses should only have sex if they can't stay continent. That is just not there at all.",
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"text": "I think that agrees with what Daniel just said... The first paragraph you posted",
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"text": "Derp",
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"text": "It does not",
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"text": "This thread is moving too fast. This thread is life.",
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"text": "If then, one can obtain the perfection of marital unity without the conjugal act, then it seems that the only reason one would seek the conjugal act for the marriage union and not engage in the higher and more unitive practice of continence would be due to some weakness.",
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"text": "This weakness, the Fathers would hold, is generally lust.",
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"text": "Or more generally, concupiscence.",
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"text": "I don't think Daniel's claim is that forgoing sex at some time is intrinsically wrong. But that deliberately avoiding sex to prevent children is intrinsically wrong because in that case one is willing to avoid children.\nKinda like fasting is not intrinsically wrong but going on a hunger strike is .",
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"text": "What??? Who says you can obtain the perfection of marital unity without the conjugal act? That is just... ugh... blargh",
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"text": "NO^",
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"text": "What? Where?",
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"text": "Why do we have to?",
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"text": "But, intention is sometimes front and senter, Boyer: if someone _intends_ to murder but fails to for some reason, that intention is a sin.",
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"text": "But is the intention present in the abstaince or in the act during \"infertile periods\"?",
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"text": "Or, Samantha, it would be perhaps better say, the proper order in humans is that the appetites function reasonably.",
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"text": "So what's unreasonable about wanting to have sex with your spouse?",
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"text": "Andrews Oh is Peregrine back? Would someone PLEASE ask him how he got a dead guy to give him a blurb for his new book? Seriously! Would love to use that time machine.",
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"text": "Is there away to get Facebook to speak these to me so I can get work done? ",
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"text": ". . . . . in accord with right reason. (is that clearer than \"reasonably\"?)",
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"text": "So I can only have sex at the right time or I'm guilty of some defect?",
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"text": "I said it before and I will say it again: To say that the marital act is inherently disordered in any way is an abomination.",
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"text": "Sigh. Anyway, Joel, did I answer your question?",
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"text": "But that's when I want to have sex the MOST!",
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"text": "^That's why you can't have sex with plants.",
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"text": "what is happening make the voices stop!",
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"text": "Here's the deal with St. Augustine-- he thinks all sexual desire is lust. He thinks the only proper end of sex is the procreation of children. From that it follow obviously that sex during infertile times is at least venially sinful. But we should not think that sexual desire within marriage is lust!",
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"text": "\"he thinks all sexual desire is lust. He thinks the only proper end of sex is the procreation of children.\" \nI don't think the first thing is true Samantha. \nI know the second thing is not true.",
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"text": "I agree with this: But we should not think that sexual desire within marriage is lust!",
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"text": "Based on her likes, Lauren Ogrodnick is my hype man.",
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"text": "Fine. I'll go find some quotes later.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe my position is not Dan's. I just think St. Paul counsels (but doesn't command) a certain degree of abstinence in marriage. How one gets from there to venial sin, I don't see.",
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"text": "Yeah, and my position is not mine, either. I think it is the Father's",
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"text": "\"Hence it should be noted that the conjugal act is sometimes meritorious and without any mortal or venial sin, as when it is directed to the good of procreation and education of a child for the worship of God; for then it is an act of religion; or when it is performed for the sake of rendering the debt, it is an act of justice. But every virtuous act is meritorious, if it is performed with charity. But sometimes it is accompanied with venial sin, namely, when one is excited to the matrimonial act by concupiscence, which nevertheless stays within the limits of the marriage, namely, that he is content with his wife only. But sometimes it is performed with mortal sin, as when concupiscence is carried beyond the limits of the marriage; for example, when the husband approaches the wife with the idea that he would just as gladly or more gladly approach another woman. In the first way, therefore, the act of marriage requires no concession; in the second way it obtains a concession, inasmuch as someone consenting to concupiscence toward the wife is not guilty of mortal sin; in the third way there is absolutely no concession.\"\nhttp://branemrys.blogspot.com/2012/05/act-of-religion.html",
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"text": "And I am very willing to be corrected about that.",
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"text": "Paul *permits* periodic continence for the purpose of prayer if both spouses consent. That's not exactly the same as counseling a certain degree of abstinence in marriage.",
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"text": "(If I could have \"liked\" comments through TAC I would have not been told I don't participate enough )",
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"text": "HA!\nSee Translation",
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"text": "Haha, Lauren, I think all the quiet people in section should have been given \"yea\" and \"nay\" signs to hold up during appropriate times.",
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"text": "It's in the linked blogpost",
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"text": "Oh, and to be clear again: TO SAY THAT THE MARITAL ACT IS INHERENTLY DISORDERED IN ANY WAY IS AN ABOMINATION.",
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"text": "I've got three minutes until my self-appointed cut off time. Come at me, y'all.",
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"text": "One more time for good measure: TO SAY THAT THE MARITAL ACT IS INHERENTLY DISORDERED IN ANY WAY IS AN ABOMINATION.",
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"text": "It could be a new greeting: What up, my sinner?",
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"text": "Peace out. I'll be back to read Pater Edmund's probably horrible post later.",
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"text": "This is what I suspect the Fathera and St. Thomas would say regarding sexual intercourse intentionally carried out during times of infertility: every virtuous act is meritorious, if it is performed with charity. But sometimes it is accompanied with venial sin, namely, when one is excited to the matrimonial act by concupiscence, which nevertheless stays within the limits of the marriage, namely, that he is content with his wife only.",
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"text": "Namely, that it is excited by concupiscence.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, what are the stats?",
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"text": "Yeah, Ed.",
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"text": "I have to be moving up in the ranks, now.",
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"text": "You have been posting and double posting at a heroic pace",
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"text": "I still haven't figured out how it could be sinful to abstain from something I'm not required to do.\nI am not required to say the rosary (though it is a good thing to do so) but there is no sin in not saying it, right?",
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"text": "Lauren, I have a feeling several people on here never heard that they don't participate enough....... ",
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"text": "causing troubles, mb. Always. And i just had it all figured out.",
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"text": "No, I really want to know. How is it sinful to avoid what is not necessary to do",
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"text": "I have three more practical points about this: \n1. Would someone really trust himself to not be motivated by lust, or selfishness when one does pursue the marital act intentionally during times of infertility. \n2. Chances are, this is not something most of us should worry too much about at this time. Most of us probably have to stop cursing our brother in our hearts, or pride, or something far more serious. \n3. Do not be surprised by the fact that you likely commit hundreds of venial sins a day, if not more. Perfection can take a long time, and one cannot force it. We must \"let ourselves be seduced\" by the Lord.",
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"text": "Unless there's some magisterial document telling me I have to have sex",
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"text": "Daniel, I never pursue the marital act unintentionally....",
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"text": "The Fathers might argue that you have an obligation to humanity and the Church to procreate and educate children.",
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"text": "but dont stop saying the rosary. These days it is the mandatory weapon. THE weapon.",
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"text": "and all of my kids were intended unintentionally",
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"text": "lolol Scott Weinberg is a PEN NAME?!?!?!",
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"text": "My first was born 40 weeks to the day after we got married.",
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"text": "My second was born 11 months (10 months and 28 days) later.",
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"text": "Is this some sort of Catholic oneupmanship?",
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"text": "I will let you guess about inentionallity Michael.",
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"text": "Tim. Always.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "I've long suspected this thread was some kind of subtle virility contest.",
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"text": "^But not really.^",
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"text": "My impression as a poet is that TAC has a disordered curriculum where sacred theology is objectified by the Church Father's metaphysics of marriage.",
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"text": "It was meant to be a comment upon practical inentionallity",
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"text": "also, my wife's pregnancies have run about 42 weeks soooooo SINNER",
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"text": "It would seem then that \"as a poet\" = asinine?",
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"text": "sorry, again, rude, I don't know what's wrong with me",
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"text": "It's the thread, Tim.",
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"text": "\"inentionallity?\" Krasevac would kill you Lendman",
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"text": "It is not your fault.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Shhhh! Don't tell me that Tim!",
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"text": "Sorry.",
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"text": "even using NFP isn't necessarily \"closed\" to the creation of life.",
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"text": "to Krasevac, that is.",
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"text": "^ don't worry he'd employ double effect reasoning (DER)",
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"text": "I love how this thread has become dominated by the class of '06",
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"text": "A practical problem with the way NFP is taught, or at least perceived. It's not \"contraception for catholics.\" That would mean, ultimately, that the Church approves of contraception in the main, but disapproves of certain means of contracepting.",
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"text": "Reading the comments in strict succession is a great way to enter into the madness",
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"text": "Also, I remember when I was learning about it from Scott and Kimberly Hahn (via cds) they mentioned how it should be carried out with a kind of sadness, that circumstances demand this.",
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"text": "And a special thank you to Lauren Ogrodnick for the reminded about the Church's stance on NFP when it first became big.",
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"text": "what's the it that we're carrying out with sadness? I may be doing it wrong.",
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"text": "That one must avoid pregnancy but cannot do so with unmitigated continence is a sad thing. That there are circumstances so serious and that one cannot simply have children without care is a sad thing.",
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"text": "I am not promoting women being \"Baby factories\" either.",
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"text": "nice",
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"text": "Okay mister two kids in eleven months",
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"text": "I AM promoting Baby Factories which are factories staffed by babies. That would be ADORABLE.",
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"text": "(NB: if it's not ENTIRELY OBVIOUS, none of my contributions are serious much at all.)",
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"text": "John - move to Indonesia",
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"text": "The point is, is that if one cannot have children for any reason, it is certainly better to abstain simply, until circumstances are such that they are favorable to children.",
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"text": "Anyway, are we finished with NFP, now?",
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"text": "Because I would really like to talk about how Aristotle and St. Thomas' conception of the soul is essentially the same, contra Ratzinger.",
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"text": "careful scrutiny of both Aristotle's and Thomas' treatment of the soul, however, makes it difficult to see how Thomas gives the formulation, \u201cthe soul is the form of the body\u201d a \u201cfundamentally new significance.\u201d To hold such a position seems to ignore the fact that Thomas treats of the soul in several places, and in different ways. This position seems to stem from the belief that Aristotelian thought regarding the soul as the form of the body is necessarily dualistic. Neither of these positions, finally, seem tenable.",
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"text": "I argue that it is in light of revelation, that Thomas is able to approach the soul in a fundamentally new way, but his account of the soul, essentially, is the same.",
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"text": "That's right Daniel, use the Thread to advance your own agenda ",
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"text": "No one can use the thread. Some merely manifest the Threadness more concretely and fully.",
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"text": "Ask Isak Benedict.",
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"text": "Whoa Tim! For not being involved for the first few days you've really made up for it!",
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"text": "Daniel, I think that the definition of man as \"rational animal\" in Aristotelian thought is fundamentally different than \"Rational substance conjoined to matter\" in St. Thomas",
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"text": "Although does Aristotle ever say \"rational animal\"?",
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"text": "which is usually translated as \"animal having speech\"",
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"text": "In the Summa, Aquinas approaches humans in the Divine Mode. It is the same account essentially, but it is more perfectly known through Sacred Theology.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund now has the title of \"longest comment\": 1218 words, comment 6669.",
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"text": "But \"logos\" also means \"reason\" in Greek, ritght?",
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"text": "Although it looks like someone might be blocking me . . .",
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"text": "of course they are different modes, but Thomas also says that part of man's essence is his act of existence (unlike God where they are the same) does this change, fundamentally, an account of the soul existing after death?",
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"text": "Understandable Ed ",
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"text": "(or at least not letting me see their comments somehow)",
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"text": "Existence is NOT part of man's essence",
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"text": "it is according to Being and Essence",
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"text": "Hard to think of why...what time did you get to bed last night? ",
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"text": "same for angels",
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"text": "De Ente 4 says existence is not part of essence. That's why there is a distinction.",
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"text": "Otherwise all men, based on what they are, would be always existing.",
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"text": "in God, His essence is His act of existing",
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"text": "hence the immortality of the soul?",
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"text": "No, because of immateriality.",
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"text": "St Thomas also claims that 'part\" of man's essence is his act of existing, not fully as in God",
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"text": "There is still a separate act of existence joined to the essence.",
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"text": "Same for angels.",
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"text": "Direct quote please.",
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"text": "And you would need to determine the way that essentia is being used.",
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"text": "I'm at \"work\" c'mon. You'll have to wait until 4 CST and then we'll be waaaay past this",
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"text": "To say existence is part of essence sounds vaugely Suarezian to me, for then form would give esse. Which, at least, is not the Thomistic doctrine. It may be the Aristotelian position, depending on who you ask.",
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"text": "Boyer I usually translate them myself, but I have had many an objector suspect my translations, so I tell them here is the Latin, it says X see for yourself and make them ask....\nDaniel Lendman, I take it you have read and understood St. Alphonse Liguori on marital relations and found his argument insufficient? Why so? Why is desire for your spouse, e.g., contrary to a virtual intention of procreation/unity? I can see objections if NFP are used ... in fact that is the strongest argument I know against NFP, that it seems you couldn't claim such a virtual intention and would fall into your position, which, in fairness, is Augustinian.\nBut still it should be addressed. When I can (note many hours from now) I will post the argument from Liguori as to why most marital relations are not sinful....",
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"text": "Was PB banned or did he block me?",
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"text": "Barry Miller, for example, holds that Aristotle doesn't acknowledge the real distinction. I am not sure what I think about Aristotle's view on this (if he explicitly has one). Metaphysics 4 implies he doesn't, where he states to say \"Socrates is\" is the same as \"Socrates is a man.\"",
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"text": "Just joshing ya, Joshua",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "I think Ba\u00f1ez has the best take on essence-existence. Essence, in particular form, is like a material cause which receives esse.",
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"text": "\"a virtual intention\" THAT was the term I was searching for above.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Wow, I am fairly certain that Peregrine Scott actually blocked me!\nDo I get a prize or something?",
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"text": "A more pleasant facebook experience isn't prize enough?",
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"text": "No, I think he just disappeared (unless he blocked me too)",
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"text": "https://www.facebook.com/peregrine.bonaventure",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Does that work for you?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Or perhaps Facebook is responding to Isak Benedict",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "reporting him.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "gotta get my post count up . ..",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Troll pelt and whatnot",
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"text": "Nope. But I still feel vindicated...I did report every single picture of his",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Joshua, neither. I think he's taking a break to magisteriize!",
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"text": "\"utrum essentia lineae infinitae est 'esse' suum? Respondeo 'esse' essentiam lineae quae finem habere non potest esse quia . . . . \" (Quaestio innumerabilis) No. I cant pretend to argue that.",
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"text": "But John, I was trying to change the subject from NFP, though I'm not wedded to any particular notion of being and essence, I wrote one of the appendices to my thesis on being and essence. Now it is a little less distinct. I'd have to look it up",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The same thesis that Descartes wrote?",
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"name": "Tim Cantu",
"text": "wait, has the mob/witch hunt been sated?!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I find it funny that Daniel has been repeatedly called a puritan. My in person conversations with him generally involve me implying that he's a laxist",
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"text": "no, Tim. It only answers the real unstated question of the thread: \"how many posts does it take TACers to detect and kill a troll.\"",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Too many.",
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"text": "puritan name calling was unfair. He EMPHATICALLY denied it many times and thereby padded his post numbers and passed me in the rankings as well.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I do believe I have been excommunicated by Pope Pinhead Peregrine!! Is anyone able still to see his comments? If he blocked me personally, that hurts my feelings. I wanted to have his babies.",
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"text": "Isak, I think all of the reporting finally took.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "METAPHYSICS \u00dcBER ALLES.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Sorry, an existential Thomist just took over me.",
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"text": "he is dead and gone, Isak, he is dead and gone. At his head a grass green turf, at his heels a stone.",
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"text": "DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD",
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"text": "Here is a nit to pick with TAC. See if this gets the comment mill going: TAC should treat logic like Latin and teach it using a formal text, rather than relying on students gleaning bits and pieces from the Organon.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Yeah, they probably locked his account while it gets \"sorted out\"",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "It appears his account is gone or down.",
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"text": "I don't know how I feel about it.",
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"text": "If you don't know logic clearly, you suffer.",
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"text": "Also, put Wittgenstein into Senior Seminar.",
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"text": "Lord knows there's plenty of room because no church documents ever get read during senior seminar.",
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"text": "John Boyer: that would assume we teach the liberal arts as arts. Which we kinda do but not really.\nLogic, Rhetoric, and Grammar would need way more drilling and workbooks if we really taught them as liberal arts.\nIt's a judgment call, as they are also trying to do the Great Books thing and the Aristotle-Thomas thing, but you are right: they aren't taught as arts per se.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Wow. You killed him!",
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"text": "Yeah. I mean, that would be the reason. Great books are great and all, but the liberal arts, as tools for approaching the great books, are needed. I understand it's hard to strike a balance.",
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"text": "an epitaph an epitaph . . . .",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Has senior math been codified yet? They could do symbolic logic as part of senior math, since it's so math-y.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "He could rise from the grave at any time. Are all his comments gone?\nThat will make this thread hilariously convoluted - well, more than it currently is, I guess.",
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"text": "No, comments have to be individually deleted, I think.",
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"text": "Ideally a strong base for the trivium is set in High school, of course, but...",
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"text": "And that's a big but. A but worthy of Sir Mix-A-Lot.",
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"text": "i would spend the time on more latin instead a la WCC. (Grammar first.)",
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"text": "Now we'll all look like King Lear in the storm.",
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"text": "I really think he organon should stay. Even if it doesn't teach logic particularly well: which, honestly, dropped a lot on the tutor and the students: most of the prior analytics and on interpretation is pretty straightforward",
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"text": "I agree that the organon should stay. It is important. And many issues come up which must be dealt with in a more discursive manner (categories, truth or lack thereof of future conditionals)",
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"text": "But, st. Thomas refers to the organon way too much to go into him without having read a good chunk of it.",
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"text": "Agreed.",
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"text": "Agreed about the organon!",
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"text": "http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/.../solemn-high-requiem.../\nLet's discuss.\nSolemn High Requiem Mass Held For The Spirit Of Vatican II | Eye of the Tiber\nCINCINNATI, OH- A Solemn High Requiem Mass was...\nEYEOFTHETIBER.COM",
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"text": "It's hard because they can't be all things. Ideally, I think, one would train in the arts as arts, which would incorporate parts of the organon or some version of it and be more textbook/workbooky - and then you'd study the organon philosophically separately.",
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"text": "Matrix style downloading of logic...and kung fu?",
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"text": "he did this last time as \"Scott Weinburg\" deletes the account and then the specter of Bonbon returns ever again. Est nihil novum sub soli",
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"text": "Wait, JA, are you saying we have to ride horses now, like a certain *other* college?",
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"text": "BLOW WINDS, CRACK YOUR CHEEKS! RAAAAAGE, BLOOOOW",
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"text": "And John, much earlier in TNET I said that I left TAC after soph year because I wanted scholastic logic (and natural phil) taught me in lecture form, rather than debating the Organon with a bunch of 17 yr old homeschoolers, so I agree with you there completely",
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"text": "Which beer to buy..",
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"text": "it would make a world of difference if TAC just straight up taught John of St Thomas",
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"text": "doesn't it mean the same as mathematics?",
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"text": "Or as Michael Beitia calls it \"Baccanlian rites at the Rocks\"",
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"text": "Ha!\nSee Translation",
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"text": "Quaeritur: if TNET were added to the curriculum, where would it belong?",
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"text": "I do believe that although I have taken the troll hide and made some very comfortable long johns with it, Pope Peregrine may end up making use of this magical serum or cream and return to troll us all again!",
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"text": "Seminar. It would be the first reading of the semester. Students would either read it all summer or be cramming it the night before term started.",
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"text": "Added to the curriculum? It is self evident that TNET ought to * replace * the entire clap-trap they currently call a \"curriculum.\"",
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"text": "Trevilla This thread approaches 'Abomination in the sight of' status. Kinda like it scream 'We are legion and we will suck you in!'\n*quickly runs away*\n*fails*\n*reads comments*\n*reaches his comment*\n*dies*",
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"text": "remember trying to hit \"down below\" with empties?",
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"text": "he was \"rehabilitated\"....this is the origin of his TAC Stockholm Syndrome",
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"text": "\"but save a prayer for Lefty too, he only did what he had to do, and now he's growing old\"",
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"text": "Nonsense. They wanted to convert me. Little did they know I was going to do that anyway. So I took their bait and tried to protect the people the best I could.\nAnd sometimes that meant that those who didn't check in their booze, and yet left it in my refrigerator, would \"pay the tax\" as I called it when I drank free beer at the pit.",
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"text": "\"He plucked me out of a pit of confusion, even out of the quicksand; he placed my feet on a rock and established my steps\" Psalm 40:2",
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"text": "The Mountain Goats Psalm 40:2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcmDXkwwR4c\nThe Mountain Goats - Psalms 40:2\n\"Psalms 40:2,\" by the Mountain Goats Off the 2009 album, \"The Life of the World to Come.\" Let me know if you have...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "You were scared of THE LAW, JA Escalante. Why? Why did you fear the strictures most necessary and wholesome for the common good?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "\"Venerable Bede\" would be a great name for a beer",
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"text": "Bell's, Dark Horse, and Jolly Pumpkin are the three most local breweries to me (in Ann Arbor).",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "What do you think of Lakefront, Michael?",
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"text": "Ann Arbor? condolences.",
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"text": "my favorite local is RevBrew, amirite, Katie?",
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"text": "I like lakefront's extended play IPA",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Then there's this . . .",
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"text": "can I like that twice?",
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"text": "and this . . .",
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"text": "Condolences?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Now I want a drink.... But that probably wouldn't help bring on labor...",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "http://existentialcomics.com/comic/14\nHow Philosophy is Made - Existential Comics\nEXISTENTIALCOMICS.COM",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "This is worthwhile, if different",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's a good beer to spring on the unsuspecting, like Daniel Lendman",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "This thread is 'the entertainment' spoken of in Infinite Jest.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "This is an interesting post on designing online forums: http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-just-in-time-theory/\nThe \"Just In Time\" Theory of User Behavior\n18 Jul 2014 The \"Just In Time\" Theory of User Behavior I've long believed that the design of your software has a...\nBLOG.CODINGHORROR.COM\nAugust 29 at 2:36pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 2 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley (Just in case we need a diversion)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'm in the top ten. What has happened to my life. Someone give me one of those beer.s",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "St. Louis's Sump Coffee roasts some amazing coffee.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And Comet Coffee is one of my favorite coffee shops I've run into driving from DC two California twice a year.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(apropos of very little)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Where's Comet Coffee? Is it in the city? Because I don't go to the County except for Trader Joe's.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "I take it you don't mean Comet Coffee in Ann Arbor?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "No, kinda out of the way ",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "one dead troll, 7500 posts & you're all slobberin drunk.",
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"text": "Oh, I thought he was still talking about St. Louis",
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"text": "5708 Oakland Ave, St Louis, MO",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's on the side of I-64",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Hey, I'm just talking about beer. Drinking a nice Guatemalan pour-over from Anthology Coffee in Detroit.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Can you hear gunfire from where you're sitting?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Surprising number of great coffee shops in St. Louis, I am discovering. Nah, we're in South City. Nothing much here but a little low level street harrassment",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I found, Lauren Ogrodnick, that drinking beer down by the \"Riviera\" - spot by the river right before the campus gate - was hazardous for my health. I tripped and fell down those hills so many times. Lost my glasses once.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Nope.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Oh, haha, Edward, were you talking about STL or Detroit? Kind of works for both",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Now that there's some beering, can we get a little controversy back in here? What do you guys think of Communion in the hand versus Communion on the tongue?",
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"name": "John Hall",
"text": "Oh crap",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Only for consecrated hands . . .",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Do we have any video yet of the Jesus Montero incident in Boise last night?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Well what about extraordinary ministers, Edward?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "For Tim: http://nypost.com/.../jesus-montero-fights-mariners.../\nJesus Montero fights own scout over ice cream sandwich diss\nNow this is some kind of meltdown. One-time Yankees...\nNYPOST.COM",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I think I've received Communion in my hands ONCE my entire life and I felt so profoundly awkward about it that I never did it again. It just seems more reverent to receive on the tongue, given that my hands are unconsecrated.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I did once, when the EM was so short I'd probably have been too tall on my knees.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Sometimes I think the National Shrine seeks out midgets to be EMs",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "BORING. I'm out.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Well why is receiving in the hands even allowed then?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Will mentioning NFP bring you back, Samantha?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Samantha - I have donned the troll skin. Peregrine has transmogrified me.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "That's why Peregrine, a totally different person from Scott, looked so much like him.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "It will, Edward.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "But later.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "DC really is a coffee desert, basically two roasters make coffee for all the local coffee shops: Ceremony (Annapolis, MD) and Counter-Culture (Durham, NC). They're both good, but it gets monotonous.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I only go trad. there I said it. It's better than the Novus Ordo anyhoo",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Although there are a couple newish places that are promising: Viilante Coffee Roasters in Hyattsville, MD and Qualia in DC",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Michael, it's called the \"Extra-ordinary Form\" kinda like \"Extra-ordinary Minister\" ",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Once upon a time in D.C. there was a great shop that roasted its own beans. I think it was called Sirius Coffee. It was over by the Van Ness-UDC metro stop.",
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"name": "Dylan Naegele",
"text": "Qualia is ok, but the coffee at Room 11 in Petworth is exceptional. M.E. Swing in Del Ray/North Alexandria is also a good roastery.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Here's a non-boring Communion story for you! When I was in high school, we often had Mass said in the gym, because it was the only place large enough to accommodate the student body.\nAnyway, I was a stubborn boy and back then I not only received on the tongue, I also knelt to receive rather than stand. So, this one time we had a bunch of visiting co-celebrant priests and I got in one of their communion lines.\nI got up there, knelt and opened my mouth, and the priest looked very confused. Then he tried to shove the Host into my mouth, missed, and dropped it on the dirty gym floor. He then said \"Oh, shit!\" picked it up off the floor, stuck it in my mouth and continued to distribute communion as if nothing had happened.\nI kid you not.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Looks closed",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I got to check those out, Dylan",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I had an SSPX priest stop in front of me, snort, and keep going at the communion rail, leaving me with my mouth, stupidly, open. Maybe it was the bright green hair.....",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "I think the reason it is allowed had to do with the practice becoming common so they gave it a \"universal indult\" so that the penalty of sin wouldn't be on the people for disobeying the Church.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "needless to say, I've never been back (this was in 99)",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And Room 11 isn't too far from CUA either.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "I didn't even know communion on the tongue was a thing until I was 14/15. . . Yeah. . . That tells you something about my parish/diocese",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Is the rock and roll evil or the evilest?!?",
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It is worse than evilest",
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"polarity": 102,
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "What was the Berquist quote? Something like \"Some of you will return to your rooms and play The Rolling Stones or Grateful Dead *on your phonographs*\"",
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"subjectivity": 55,
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Only the echt-hipsters, Mr. Berquist--no one else has phonographs.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Rock and Roll is the Devil's music.",
"classes": "even",
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"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 191,
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"name_length": 11,
"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "And if you play the lyrics of your favorite songs backwards, they say: \"I worship Satan, Prince of Darkness.\"",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "ordinary vs extraordinary is more like the low mass vs high mass vs solemn high mass. Yes you only get the solemn high once in a while, but it's ultimately better ",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 7343,
"name_length": 7,
"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Or perhaps \"I prefer Plato and Newton to Aristotle and Thomas\"",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 153,
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "No, extraodinary means \"this should be unusual and not the norm\"",
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"text": "I almost bought one of those cabinet phonographs at an estate sale. Seemed excessive, though. I don't own any 78s and I already have a turntable.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "The Rock and Roll music will lead one astray from one's true hylomorphic destiny! Beware the Rock and Roll music!",
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"text": "Are you wise, Joel?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "(Benedict said it should be an option in every parish on Sundays ) but we've discussed this before ",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "\"Extraodinary\" doesn't mean anything...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "but I understand all the old people at the 4 p.m. Saturday \"vigil\" are attached to their usual form of worship, and unaccustomed to change, so they can continue to go to the NO",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "\"I am the most foolish of men and the wisdom of men is not in me\"",
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"text": "Why do you ask?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "have you been drinking, Edward?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Well a lack of wisdom was the consequence of listening to rock music Mr. Berquist predicted . . .",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'm screwed",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Well I doubt he's working on his thesis . . .",
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"text": "Yes it was. In my case, I doubt it has much to do with my lack of wisdom.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I'm not a student, btw, if that was in reference to me.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Now we also have concerts. I cannot talk about this at length because that could be another lecture all by itself. I will content myself with an assertion. It is my conviction and that of many of my colleagues (and of all of the founders), that there is no philosophy without music, or there is no philosophy without good music. The soul must be disposed to the love of the true and the reasonable and there is no way to do that without music. So the concerts we offer as part of the series are our testimony, however slight, to our conviction that good music is necessary to the philosophical life. The concert series is a small thing; we do not have a great number of concerts. Some of you, perhaps, will go back to your rooms and listen to the Grateful Dead or the Rolling Stones on your phonographs, and we regret that profoundly. And we think that if you persist in that behavior you will never become wise. We have had only moderate success, so far, in making you aware of that fact. But still we bring it to your attention, and we do this by offering certain concerts in which good music is played, to please you reasonably, to relax the tensions in your souls, and to dispose them rightly to the intellectual efforts that are the principal business of your life.\"",
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"text": "No it was to Ed ",
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"text": "The Rock and Roll will send you straight to hell.\nOr so I've been told.",
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"text": "(I hope the jocundity of my question didn't pass unnoticed)",
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"text": "My answer would be that like Pythagorous--the first to go by the name \"philosopher\"--call me not wise, but rather a lover of wisdom.",
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"text": "For the record, Isak Benedict, I did try to give somewhat of an answer to your in the hand question ",
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"text": "Also, rock and roll.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I did to, but their are many strands that must be woven together to make a thread.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "is that kind of like the NFP answer (can't.....stop......trolling.......)",
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"text": "I will answer your question once you explain why you insist on being liturgically retrograde.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(BTW, the Anglican Use is the way forward)",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Somewhat... Though probably limited and qualified a lot. But if simply taken as \"not ideal\" then yes, I think. (In reference to NFP and in the hand thing)",
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"text": "retrograde? If it is a choice between better and worse, I try to use the better",
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"text": "(and I shied away from using superior and inferior, but that's what I meant)",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I don't understand the question. Communion must be received on the tongue at the TLM. Easy peasy.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Sidebar: I'm getting whiplash from the topic changes.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "As an ex-Anglican I say: like hell it is.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "says the guy who reads Thomas instead of Badiou",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Have you attended on, Joel HF?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "The Anglican's cherry pick a quote to justify communion on the hand.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "how's your Zizek studies, going Ed?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "How is the Anglican use the way forward but the 1962 is retrograde? *confuzzled but don't really want an answer because we've had this convo a million times *",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Yeah, born and raised in a \"anglo-catholic\" parish, till I converted.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "How's your bridge, Michael Beitia?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "welcome home....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I don't have one",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "We should start a kickstarter, \"Build a bridge for the troll\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well, why do you study that old dusty Thomas instead of the shiny new exciting Zizek?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "The 1928 Book of Common prayer is amazing prose, some of the best the English language ever saw.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "But it isn't the mass of the saints.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/.../slavoj-%C5%BEi...\nMaverick Philosopher: Slavoj \u017di\u017eek: Plagiarism Proven\nMalcolm Pollack has the details. Hats off to our mutual...\nMAVERICKPHILOSOPHER.TYPEPAD.COM\nAugust 29 at 3:34pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley I was unaware that translation and restoration produces an essential change.",
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"text": "but he's newer and appeals to the \"kids\"\nhe's hip and with it",
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"text": "if it is translation, it's a bad one",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(My main beef is with the insistence on Latin in the liturgy)",
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"text": "the propers are not the same as the readings",
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"text": "I'm not wedded to Latin, although I find it easier to concentrate, but the changes are NOT just translation",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Which liturgy are you talking about Michael?",
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"text": "I'm not talking about the NO",
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"text": "the Tridentine liturgy. but it could be in English",
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"text": "The Anglican Use liturgy at our parish is basically the EF translated into English with a couple Anglicanisms thrown in",
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"text": "oh... I get it, the Anglo-Catholic rite? never been",
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"text": "it would be better (from the little I know about it) than the NO",
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"text": "From the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar to the Old Offertory on through the Last Gospel.",
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"text": "but my older kids say the rosary in Latin, so I may be biased....",
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"text": "Latin is better. Ask the exorcists ",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Latin, the language Jesus spoke.",
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"text": "I find it easier to concentrate because I think in English, but not liturgically (caveat: I'm a convert and learned the Mass in Latin first)",
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"text": "I've never actually gone to an ordinate Anglican service, though I do want to see what it is like. For day in day out worship, however, I don't want anything to do with Thomas Cramner, no matter how good his prose.",
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"text": "Also, to be weird and use Vatican II, Latin helps build the \"community\" of the church since no matter where you go you will understand and it will be the same (yes these are not the best arguments, but those have been used in the past)",
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"text": "Are you an Anglican, Edward?",
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"text": "I get that, Michael, and I actually like Latin liturgies from time to time. But I think there is wisdom in the Byzantine tradition of translating to the vernacular.",
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"text": "Ad orientem is important for unity",
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"text": "Never said Jesus spoke it, but it is the language of the Roman Rite. ",
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"text": "No, Joel HF, my (parent's) family moved to Houston and fell in love with Our Lady of Walsingham.",
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"text": "Btw, random but, did you know praying the rosary in Latin has the same relaxation and focus benefits as yoga? They did a study on it...",
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"text": "Joel HF, also there are at least two different ordinariate rites: a more \"traditional one\" and a newer one. St. Lukes in DC (who will be at Immaculate Conception on 7th (?) St in a couple weeks) uses the more traditional rite.",
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"text": "I think I met your priest (perhaps?) at your graduation (my brother-in-law was in your class, I suspect). The name Bruce Noble (I think?) ring any bells?",
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"text": "Same here... But Id still prefer it in Latin ideally. . . ",
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"text": "Peterson is going to be throwing around some comments about \"crusty trads\" and \"hehs\" fast and furious any minute now.",
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"text": "\"Nevertheless, while we are talking about Aristotle, I shouid like to utilize this opportunity to state the conjecture that this wonderful man discovered DNA.\"\nhttps://www.ini.uzh.ch/.../delbruckAristotleTotleTotle197...",
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"text": "Interesting. I'll have to check out St. Luke's sometime soon.",
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"text": "I hate yoga.",
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"text": "I believe in Rock & Roll!! \\m/\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKkIysX2Bow\nI Still Believe - Frank Turner - Official Video\nOfficial video for \"I Still Believe\", the new single from Frank Turner, taken from the \"Rock & Roll\" EP, due for release...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Hey let's talk about Medjugorje!!!!",
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"text": "If someone claims a prophecy, my attitude is something like \"lets wait and see what happens\" . . . I've read enough greek classics to know that it's a bad idea to react to prophecies.",
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"text": "http://malcolmpollack.com/.../ethics-engineering-and.../\nEthics, Engineering, And Driverless Cars \u2013 waka waka waka\nThere\u2019s a great deal of buzz lately about self-driving cars. They were the focus of a couple of sessions when I was at Singularity University a couple of years ago, and Google sent one over so we could get a look at it. The consensus at SU was that they confer so many public benefits that their adop\u2026\nMALCOLMPOLLACK.COM\nAugust 29 at 4:18pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nSamantha Cohoe I'd like to say how dumb I think the idea of using nfp with sorrow is.",
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"text": "I mean, unless you actually are sad that circumstances render it imprudent for you to get pregnant.",
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"text": "Setting aside health reasons, what would such circumstances look like? My situation where another child would probably mean a 50% increase in rent?",
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"text": "*cough* why not to live in hyattsville *cough*",
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"text": "And a coffee shop about six blocks away",
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"text": "Yeah....But we can have as many kids under the age of 24 months here which is what we needed for our two year plan ",
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"text": "I mean, what if you're ecstatic you aren't pregnant? What are you supposed to do, fake it?",
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"text": "How is it dumb to think it's sad to have to use NFP? Sorry.",
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"text": "I'm starting to worry that this thread will turn into a mommy blog ",
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"text": "Please. It's been much worse things than that.",
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"text": "I don't think it means sad as depressed and walking around miserable , but because you have to use it there is something missing, in ideal (or even just slightly better) circumstances you would not need to.",
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"text": "It seems to me that, objectively, there is a cause for sorrow. But I don't think it's a moral failing to feel happy or relieved that you aren't pregnant.",
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"text": "Kind of like one might regret that a certain friend isn't at a party without letting that prevent you from having a good time at the party.",
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"text": "And I do think there is a lot of philosphical/theological work still to be done in order to justify NFP, but that's true in a lot of areas. It's part of being in what Daniel Lendman calls a \"new patristic period\"",
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"text": "i.e. a period where a lot of theology is happening without a firm basis in philosophy.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe, I wasn't trying to drive you away or anything. I find the arguments about NFP both interesting and relevant.",
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"text": "Oh, I'm just doing three things at once. Haven't been driven away.",
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"text": "Listen. If you get married when you're 22 as I did and many other TACers do, youve got a solid 20 plus years of fertility ahead of you. Unless you're claiming that everyone should want 10 plus kids, then mandating sorrow at the use of NFP seems a little ridiculous.",
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"text": "Massive families (and by massive, I mean 8 plus, I guess) are a special calling. Not everybody can do them well, and I don't think those of us who don't want one should feel sorrow about that.",
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"text": "Put it another way-- most young married mothers are going to be immensely relieved if they are able to space out their children using NFP over the course of the many, many years of their fertility. To expect them to feel sorrow over it is just... i dunno... dumb",
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"text": "I guess what I'm thinking is that even a couple with a family too big for them to handle would balk at choosing which not to have had, right?",
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"text": "People do forget that the end isn't just the generation of children but their formation as well.",
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"text": "YES",
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"text": "It's kinda tough to keep balance in today's political climate.",
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"text": "Right, I get it that we live in a culture that is quite the opposite. But let's hit the mean, yes?",
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"text": "There is still a question, though, of the best way to space births. Daniel Lendman's position seemed to be that the optimal method of birth-spacing is continence through both fertile and infertile periods.",
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"text": "BTW your mommy blog comment was totally condescending but I have no right to complain about that at this point so condescend away. ; )",
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"text": "No, John, when I say \"dumb\" what I mean is \"silly\" or something less kind",
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"text": "Daniel just likes to be more Catholic than the pope",
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"text": "I wonder if the relationship between a continent couple and a NFP-using couple is like the relationship between the celibate state of life and the married state: i.e. objectively better but not necessarily better in particular circumstances.",
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"text": "My mommy-blog comment mainly had to do with the reflection that discussions of cloth diapers and NFP bring women out of the woodwork like discussions of sports bring men out.",
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"text": "Well, I still disagree with every premise of Daniel's argument that continence is better than NFP",
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"text": "But I have a habit of being accidentally condescending, I once told my now-wife that she was rather intelligent.",
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"text": "Trying to cheer her up about the prospect of doing junior math",
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"text": "It's interesting, though, the argument for celibacy > married state, as I understand it, only holds for christians who are called to a religious vocation: according to nature, it seems to me, the married state > celibacy.\nPerhaps something similar is true on the other side of the proportion?",
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"text": "(As a side note, from my mother: Please say a prayer for the healing of Fr. Bruce Noble from cancer. Bl. John Henry Newman, pray for us.)",
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"text": "Why only Christians called to a vocation?",
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"text": "As was mentioned before Fr. Noble is a good friend of my family and a one-time password. He and his twin brother were Anglican priests from Brisbane, Australia who became priests under JPII's Pastoral Provision. His brother, David, died of cancer a while ago, now Fr. Bruce is.",
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"text": "Right, but wouldn't that be true even of nonreligious (I.e. not in an order ) Christians?",
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"text": "You mean if God particularly called you to a celibate marriage it would be better to obey than disobey?",
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"text": "Ech. Continent marriage isn't really marriage. It's just a special sort of friendship.",
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"text": "The other side of the NFP thing, Samantha, is the people who use NFP and are unreasonably upset when they are unexpectedly pregnant: to me that indicates a moral defect.",
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"text": "What I'm thinking is this: it's ok to be worried about the financial consequences of the new child or the consequence's for the mother's health or other such things, but if you are upset with having a new child as such, there is something wrong.",
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"text": "Edward, are we suppose to understand the perpetual virgins as religious? I never did, but I could be mistaken.",
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"text": "Ok, that seems fine. I think most people who are upset are thinking about the attendant difficulties and not the baby herself.",
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"text": "And once again, it seems like you mean adolescence or the life that imitates adolescence. Singularity would be such by nature only insofar that imitates adolescence.",
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"text": "Do you have kids?",
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"text": "And the attendant difficulties are not manifest to you?",
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"text": "Well, for one thing, his state of life (abstracted from any other contributions he might make to the community) is less productive of the perpetuation of the community he lives in, so he fails that community in some way.",
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"text": "Perhaps....but failure is such a strong word for a general obligation. Especially considering that it is not the city that places that obligation.",
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"text": "and I'm a teacher by trade. So at least that part of it is very important to me. [Of course, now I would never send my kids to public school ...... on the other hand, one HAD to go for a semester last year. So hey. It was good for a while]",
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"text": "Edward, care should be taken when making statements about deficiencies in anyone's state of life. Statements of this nature tend to reinforce this observation. The creation of prototypes, while helpful speculatively, may be extremely harmful practically. http://shweta-narayan.livejournal.com/204154.html\nLet's talk about category structure and oppression!\nThis has been a v long-brewing post; I've been meaning...\nSHWETA-NARAYAN.LIVEJOURNAL.COM",
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"text": "A lot of that Aaron, is not a matter of something inherent in categorizing, but is a misunderstanding of how theoretical categorizations relate to practice.\nThat is, even though being a priest is a better state of life than being in husband there are almost certainly people who would have been damned if they took orders rather than marry.",
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"text": "I know you well enough to know that to be true. But you seem to deny a stable single life as a state while there are plenty of examples in history and in the saints to say otherwise. Categorizing single life as simply transitional is what I find problematic. That is why I wondered if you meant adolescent life or life in imitation of adolescence.",
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"text": "lulz",
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"text": "not the prosperity gospel",
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"text": "So still talking about NFP huh",
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"text": "Any word on what happened to Scott Weinerface?",
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"text": "Ah, the delegation of duties. Wonderful!",
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"text": "Fiction is from THE DEVIL. ESPECIALLY Harry Potter. http://youtu.be/OO-nN8Icqsw\nHarry Potter Is The Antichrist\nFor more videos, DVDs, and found footage insanity: www.everythingisterrible.com\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "dude, the mormon video was a riot. I grew up in mo-mo country",
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"text": "Sound argument. Time to purge seminar of all that \"literature.\" Surprised PB didn't get upset about the smoke of satan in seminar class.",
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"text": "My question is that if equal dollar values indicate some vague sort of equivalence, in what world is two gallons of gas equivalent to a gallon of milk?",
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"text": "Freshman Seminar guide: http://youtu.be/dMD18ZF0MLo\nOedipus The King - Thug Notes Summary and Analysis\nDon't run from destiny, just hit that SUBSCRIBE button...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "John - there's also abortion in HP. Remember the mandrakes? Don't answer that - reading those books will send you right to hell.",
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"text": "\"Hey dude, I took a gallon of milk from your refrigerator but it's ok, I replaced it with two gallons of gas!\"",
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"text": "\"Just have a couple glasses of cold gasoline with them cookies!\"",
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"text": "But I can't drink cold gas!",
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"text": "isn't that \"opportunity cost\" in economics?",
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"text": "Don't worry, John, it's equivalent!",
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"text": "Cars are abominable inventions and gas was put on earth by the devil to get us addicted to our fast shiny machines. WAKE UP SHEEPLE",
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"text": "Look Lewis was heavily involved in the occult before he became protestant and in shows, esp. in his trilogy (he never got it out of his system -- very difficult to do). Charles Williams was member of Ordo Templis Orientalis (and it shows). Barfield was on his screwy evolution of consciousness (he was a student of the freakshow anthroposophist Rudolph Steiner -- yeah read some of his wacky stuff)........",
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"text": "......I am getting at the inklings were heavily involved in the occult and their are points in this article worth considering on the negative side of what he did, I think and I was a big fan but see some problems worth thinking about. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.ca/.../the-fantasy-writing...\nRORATE C\u00c6LI: The fantasy writing of Tolkien was Catholic!Well, not so fast ...\nRORATE-CAELI.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "I think the gnosis criticism, the magic use, and the confusion of supernatural and natural are problematic and worth considering. (that is Tolkien). .....",
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"text": "HAHAHA",
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"text": "Where's Pergrine when you need himl.",
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"text": "what is laughable. be specific.",
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"text": "AMAZING. How the mind absolutely shuts down if you utter a word of disparagement about Potter or Tolkien.",
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"text": "That part where the blog author talks about admiring the beautifully carved altar only to discover it's Rosicrucian made or whatever comes to mind. Beauty is to be found everywhere and always belongs to God, even if it has come about by means outside the one True Faith.",
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"text": "John - my mind's not shutting down. I'm totally willing to listen. I just feel like it's fair you know from the outset what my current opinion is. It could change! I would be made better if I do not have the right opinion now.",
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"text": "I just like a good story, man. That's where I'm coming from. Hey pass that over here will you",
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"text": "Also John - the author of that blog is not treating Joseph Campbell fairly. I am readily able to criticize him, but he is practically without peer when it comes to comparative mythology.",
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"text": "The charges of gnosticism would be more appropriate if he was trying to do philosophy or theology",
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"text": "or go to TAC\n#gnosisrocks",
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"text": "or he's gone to eat dinner",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/lL0WayC7jW0\nnorm saves the interview\nThis is an interview with a girl from MELROSE PLACE... Thank GOD, Norm Macdonald cannot resist giving her...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Dinner sounds good. It's Friday afternoon in a teacher's life. That means beer.",
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"text": "THANK YOU John!",
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"text": "off to the store. kids ate all the food again",
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"text": "Let's fight about Harry Potter! My position is neither that it is heretical, dangerous trash, nor that it is great or even good literature. I find it highly imaginative but abysmally storied. Bottom line - entertaining escapism.",
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"text": "Without approaching the question of Plato (who thought the poets divinely inspired as well, see Ion), I think Aristotle is mostly concerned with the philosophical appropriations of Homer.\nIn the Poetics, he seems perfectly fine with all the various Greek poetic uses of myth (not only Homer, but also Euripides, etc.)",
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"text": "IN the Poetics, he also says the poets lie. That is a GREAT work",
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"text": "Well, I read the stories of the Iliad and the Odyssey at a very early age, but they were children's versions. I graduated slowly to more and more mature versions as my mind's ability to handle such also grew mature. What's wrong with doing it that way?",
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"text": "HOMER does not have the immoral effect today as in the ancient days because we don't believe in the gods ISAK",
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"text": "And the Republic? he tells us at the very beginning that the city being built is to be a model of the soul. The most common critique of his account is that he confuses a unity of order with the unity of an individual: coincidence? I think not!",
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"text": "if fiction is about universals is it strictly speaking a lie? EDIT: about universals like Aristotle says in the poetics",
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"text": "The Church has rightly always had a strange relationship with, say, theater for example. On the one hand she recognizes the danger of pretending to be something other than what you are and participating in made up stories. On the other hand she knows very well that telling stories is the most powerful, most effective way to tell the truth. Medieval plays took place on the steps of the cathedrals.",
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"text": "You don't believe in the gods, John? Why not?",
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"text": "We have to remember, as Dr. Noone says, Roman theater was basically pornography.",
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"text": "Yes ISAK about the Church and theatre and it's well worth considering why. (And what sort of theatre she was concerned about.",
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"text": "Sorry, if I'm not responding. Too many posts. And I'm getting adjusted to becoming the new troll here.",
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"text": "Does that mean Augustine wouldn't like Game of Thrones or Game of Thrones doesn't hold a candle to Roman Theater",
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"text": "Bad pacing.",
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"text": "Atrocious writing.",
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"text": "But Augustine says it so vehemently",
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"text": "Haven't read any of the others.",
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"text": "I always like reading the Fathers because they don't hesistate to refer to the \"hated-of-God Nestorius\"",
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"text": "Maybe he got lucky in the first one. I got 3/4 through and never finished. Saw the first season of the show and never bothered again. Better things to do - like comment for eternity on The Thread.",
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"text": "I should make a practice of that in my papers",
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"text": "So, should fiction reveal a deeper truth, which Plato would seem to appreciate because of the whole Noble lie....",
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"text": "Ed, I want you to do that at conferences. A LOT.",
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"text": "And Chrysostum EXCOMMUNICATED folks for going to the circus. But does anyone care to know the reasons why. BTW Alban Butler is IMO wrote one of the best works all time in the English language. Very good resource. He was a polymath and read everything. His Lives (the original) are great (4 vol. or 12.",
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"text": "Great question John. I think yes, very much.",
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"text": "^THIS",
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"text": "I would love for someone to write \"The People's History of The Never-Ending Thread.\" You know, a concise chronicle of its ages and its aeons.",
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"text": "That sounds like a cultural marxist version, Mr. Zinn",
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"text": "Approaching 8000",
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"text": "what sorts of things would the virtuous man find relaxing?\ndepictions of action in its proper context which make clear the motives of the agents.",
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"text": "Matter of fact I feel like at some point this is going to end in a surreal fashion - TNET will awaken and force us all to drop acid, at which point we will have visions of recurring eternity for the rest of our lives. Potato.",
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"text": "Or, to say it another way \"qualis unumquodque est talis finis videtur ei\"",
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"text": "Virtuous men only read about the virtuous? That rules out a large number of stories.",
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"text": "But, Boyer, that is born out by the lives of many saints.",
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"text": "Edward - to say that a man would find depictions of Achilles slaughtering Trojans relaxing is to use the word in a manner quite new to me.",
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"text": "Depictions of vice and its folly would count as well, according to this criteria too I guess.",
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"text": "Okay - I would love to know what you guys think makes a good STORY. I don't think we're on the same page about this. I have to go at the moment but I look forward to returning to my vomit.",
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"text": "vale.",
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"text": "well, that's my favorite kind of story.",
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"text": "Are you folks really going to leave the discussion of Homer behind that quickly? Doesn't he deserve better than a passing glance?",
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"text": "Their bellies are their gods . . .",
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"text": "on road",
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"text": "When I tuned in to this thread, I was intrigued by something you said about Poseidon, John, but I can't find it now--too many crazy comments to search through them all.",
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"text": "\"I maintain that Homer thought they were bad (with perhaps the exception of Poseidon). HE SHOWS that dramatically.\"",
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"text": "about poseidon",
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"text": "that poseidon may be the only good god in homer. The rest . . . bad",
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"text": "Thanks, Nina. What an interesting thing to say, John. I have always viewed Poseidon as playing the satanic role in the Odyssey, so I am intrigued by your claim. What do you find good about Poseidon in the Odyssey?",
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"text": "thats interesting.. .. In car",
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"text": "While I wait for you to park the car and explain your interpretation, I will offer some thoughts about the two brothers, Zeus and Poseidon, the latter being evil, the former being good. Here it is helpful to think about four similar sets of brothers--one good, the other evil--from Shakespeare: King Hamlet and Claudius in Hamlet; Duke Senior and Duke Fredrick in As You Like It; Don Pedro and Don John in Much Ado About Nothing; and Prospero and Antonio in The Tempest. In all four plays the benevolent authority is temporarily usurped or thwarted by the unlawful and false authority of the evil yet fraternal power. This aspect of fraternity, combined with the eventual dramatic reversal of the evil power or its subjection to the good, suggests that Shakespeare\u2019s cosmology is not dualistic or gnostic, but Christian. In other words, the existence of evil is paradoxically linked to the good, and plays a role within the pale of a single divine purpose: the freedom and sanctification of man. I see the same principle operating in Homer. Zeus is the Heavenly Father; Poseidon is the satanic force who unwittingly serves the divine plan to bring Odysseus home after much suffering and subsequent insight into himself and the divine order of things. The comparison to Job's trial is striking: just as Satan is permitted by God the Father to inflict pain on the blameless and upright Job, so Zeus allows Poseidon to punish Odysseus (who is not blameless and upright) in order to bring Odysseus to a state of moral perfection.",
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"text": "and kill all the suitors....",
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"text": "Absolutely.",
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"text": "I remember so little of Homer. It was so long ago. Even though I read a book of Odyssey and a book of Iliad in Greek about five years ago.",
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"text": "Thankfully Homer never grows old.",
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"text": "Michael, you forgot to mention the execution of the women servants who had been sleeping with the suitors!",
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"text": "Yes, and the wine-dark sea.",
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"text": "Yes...in any other piece of literature, those descriptions probably would have been forgettable. Not with Homer, though.",
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"text": "Speaking of unforgettable, how about the description of Odysseus' faithful dog Argos?",
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"text": "Ladies and gentlemen, The Thread is closer than ever to achieving self-consciousness - for Jeffrey Bond has entered the conversation. We are almost out of the cave!!",
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"text": "I would like to remind you all of the positions available here at World Spirit Networking. Act now for the highest-yielding dividends the negation of the negation can offer!",
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"text": "Well, that's interesting and I could well have everything all upside down.\nBut with respect to Zeus and Poseidon, I see the former as the usurper. Poseidon is the elder of the two. And though Zeus brags that he could defeat all the gods easily, there are indications that the whole world would split if Poseidon were to fight him. \nHow did Poseidon hinder Odysseus' return? At what point? It is not until he is all alone on the raft at sea that Poseidon \"hinders\" him when he is only but a few weeks from his return. And what does it accomplish, but to bring him to the Phaiakians, by whom he is furnished with more wealth than had he come back with all of his booty from the Iliad? And who were the peaceful Phaiakians but those most dear to him? And as I see it they were \"punished\" for returning Odysseus lest lest they become known to the marauding Greeks and they were hidden from the likes of Odysseus himself. And again, it is Poseidon who urges Ajax (if memory serves) to save the ships at the burning.\nIt is Zeus and Athena, who are the principles of disorder. Why did Odysseus hide (kalypso) on the island for seven years, except for the same reason that (urged by Athena, sent by Zeus) he kept the Greeks from fleeing home (after Agammenon's 'brilliant' idea -- I can't help laughing out loud -- of 'testing' the Greeks). Now when Zeus sent Athena, he told her to go to the Greek leaders each one and stop them. However, she went only to Odysseus and what did she say? She reminded him of the shame there would be if after ten years they come home empty handed. Thereat Odysseus grabbed Agammemnon's sceptre (which the 'king of kings' \"leaned\" on) and wielded it: using arguments to urge on the leaders but smashing the lesser men on the head, just as he would do to Thersites in assembly, Thersites who voiced the very opinion of Homer (narrating -- or it seems to me) that many men should die and few return. So too Odysseus the many-wiled interpret the omen opposite its true meaning; and so a great though proud city fell and almost not one Greek returned home.\nBut Odysseus it seems for the same reason would not return home, namely the shame of having lost every man and the shame of no treasure (how would he be greeted by his citizens when he came home). I see Poseidon only giving benefits and keeping safe his own people. \nBut again what happens upon the return, but that Odysseus having lost (or destroyed) all 600 men, now finishes off the rest of the flower of the youth of Ithica, who became corrupt in the long absence of a good lord, and except for the intervention (and how long does that last?) of Athena, Odysseus would be avenged upon himself. Not only does he bring home the ravages of war into his own home and the clanging of the armor of those falling dead, but he corrupts the swineherd Eumaeus, best of all, prince at birth, and father of his son, who in the end cuts off the arms and legs and gonads of the goat-herder. But the main question is, does he also corrupt Telemachus, who with his own hands hangs the wicked women of his house. ...... but what was Ithika in ancient days? Was it not but a name of legend, a desolate island? and like of Beowulf and the Geats, could we not say of the Ithikans, they were no more? \nUnder Zeus, does justice prevail? Or rather is it hidden among the Phaiakians dear to Poseidon? (And Virgil seems to pick up on this, when Neptune appears like a statesman to calm the waves. And likewise at the end of that book after Aeneas' last -- as well as almost only -- words to his son, \"Watch and I will show you what it is to be a man\" (from memory) and proceeds to do what?????) \nUnder the sun, I say, \"not one does right\". But perhaps I am all wrong. In Virgil's case it's more obvious, for Aeneas brings endless war to Italy, that under Latinus had known only Saturnial peace for time immemorial: \"bella, horrida, bella\" cried the Sybil.",
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"text": "You didn't get the memo? World Spirit Networking may be forced to consider you a slave from here on out, Sam.",
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"text": "I've always been a slave, and it doesn't bother me too much.",
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"text": "The Peregrine has vanished, and now it's all about Zeus and Poseidon. I have to go back to work, but it makes me happy just seeing this interesting convo.\nI feel like this epoch of the Thread is warm and glowing, shining like the light on glorious Mediterranean heroes of old.\nBut corruption and death could be just around the corner...",
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"text": "with slavery, at least you're guaranteed square meals.",
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"text": "I'm out at 8128 - having achieved enlightenment",
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"text": "(and you're probably sick of the notifications...... Matthew Peterson)",
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"text": "I think the Thread serves a practical need - an ongoing conversation one could drop in and out of like a pub.",
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"text": "I wish a took a screenshot of the notification for Peregrine commenting on a link I shared..",
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"text": "for the memories?",
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"text": "Did he disappear or was he discovered to never exist to begin with? I never figured that one out.",
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"text": "he huffed off by deleting his fb account. he did the same thing roughly a year ago",
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"text": "Sam, he has been a figment of the collective unconscious all along. Get with the program, son!",
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"text": "absorbed into the thread of the matrix",
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"text": "Yes. Bwhahaha. For the memories. I saw that image a lot while running around and settling in for teaching this semester. And given that he still comes up but his page is blocked...but no. These are happy centuries. Let us discuss Zeus and Poiseden, before the dark times come again.",
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"text": "I'm so slow. Should have gone to TAC.",
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"text": "you think he's coming back?",
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"text": "Yes I think Dr. Bond's comment needs a response.",
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"text": "Jesus?",
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"text": "How very fitting!",
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"text": "He will come back the way he left.\nI'm no prophet, but I bet he's fighting Zuckerberg right now, and trying to come back through Hades to haunt us all.",
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"text": "But in all seriousness, we should find a way to make money off this before Zuckerberg's all seeing eye notices that people want this kind of thing. I love having this rolling thread to return to that people come in and out of.",
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"text": "man, someone reported him? there goes my fun for 36 hours",
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"text": "Oh John did offer a response to Dr. Bond's comment! My screen is not keeping up with the abundance of wisdom",
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"text": "Just like Gandolph.",
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"text": "But what of Poseidon as demonic?",
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"text": "[How can we compete with Zuck - let's just take what he gives us]",
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"text": "What of Zeus as a usurper?",
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"text": "I don't know how to read that in light of the \"chain of Zeus\"....",
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"text": "\"and she shed a light tear\" (of Helen remembering her husband Menelaus just before she tries to seduce Hector). so so so many great one liners.",
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"text": "later.",
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"text": "Did Michael Beitia just reference my characterization of The Never-Ending Thread as the golden chain of Zeus, the axis mundi shot through all that exists and about which all things turn - from thousands of comments ago? I am truly impressed. The self-referential nature of The Thread is becoming only more and more evident.\nI also just realized something else. Has anyone succumbed to Godwin's Law yet in over 8000 comments?",
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"text": "(I have this vision of Peregrine trying to cross the river Styx trying to escape the FB equivalent of the Underworld.)",
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"text": "No one better volunteer to be his Charon.",
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"text": "In response to John's interesting interpretation, I cannot agree (but cannot address all at once the many points he makes). Let's think about Zeus. He is the Father of Gods and Men. Zeus' golden chain, which all the gods and men on the other end could not drag down from the heights of Olympus in a divine game of tug-a-war, has rightly--and traditionally--been taken as the first literary reference to the great chain of Being. Everything \"hangs\" on that. Boethius in the Consolation of Philosophy uses this Homeric imagery to talk about the chain of love that binds the cosmos into a One. It is also Zeus, in an astonishing anticipation of God the Father's sacrifice of His beloved Son, who cries tears of blood when he must sacrifice his son Sarpedon so that Troy will be rightly punished for its defense of adultery. As for Poseidon, note that he ultimately must defer to the will of Zeus, so Poseidon is clearly not the superior god despite being the elder brother. (As in Scripture, so in Homer, the elder is never the divine favorite, that being a merely human convention that God always thwarts.) Poseidon inflicts pain on Odysseus because Odysseus blinded his son, Polyphemus the cyclops. Poseidon, the lord of the formless ocean, punishes Odysseus through his many faces on the endless sea: Circe, Calypso, Skylla, Charybdis, etc. Ultimately, however, it is Zeus who is behind the punishment since it is his divine plan to bring Odysseus home once he is ready. As for Odysseus' men, Homer tells us from the beginning that they do not make it home due to their own wild recklessness. Odysseus is not responsible for the fact that they lose their homecoming. They eat the cattle of the sun--think here of the Garden of Eden--and are destroyed by Zeus.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia: I think you'd make an admirable Charon. Make The Peregrine a bit sea-sick crossing the Styx, will you?",
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"text": "no I'd bring him over safe and sound. I love contention. It's a defect in me",
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"text": "Jeffrey, I like the interpretation, except for the Boethius/God anticipation reference. It always makes me go a big Nietzschean flutter when every stick is a cross in literature",
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"text": "Oh, safe and sound is fine. Just give him a little discomfort.... smooth voyages do not make for strong sailors. A little pain is good for people. \n(Ok, I realize that made me sound a little bit evil.)",
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"text": "I love the ocean, but there is a mystery, a power a chaos that it moves and moves it. the ocean is constantly moving. That's what I think of when I think of sea deities (Aegir)",
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"text": "Well, speaking of the cross (since you brought it up, Michael), St. Augustine rightly said that the cross is not significant because Christ died on it, but Christ died on it because it was significant. The cross is everywhere in Homer, especially in the weaving of Penelope where every vertical and horizontal thread meet. The vertical and horizontal imagery in the Odyssey is almost limitless. The early Christians were especially found of the image of Odysseus tied to the mast (always depicted in Greek art with a horizontal crossbeam) as a presentiment of the crucifixion.",
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"text": "Funny you should mention the ocean, Michael - and the cross. For as the golden chain of Zeus hangs vertically, eternally binding the cosmos into one, the ocean exists horizontally, in a perpetual state of motion. It stands as the world of things that come to be and pass away, as the world of contingency, to the divine and eternal world represented by the golden chain.",
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"text": "Well that was uncanny. Looks like we've achieved a true unity of consciousness. The Thread-Merge is at hand!",
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"text": "Hey I wanted to be the horizontal!",
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"text": "The ocean's rather like this thread - ever moving, ever constant - drawing people in with an inexpressible power. The more one resists, the more one is drawn to it.",
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"text": "It may be more like Charybdis: always sucking down and then spewing forth.",
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"text": "I have short arms - I won't be able to reach the tree. So I'm pretty prepared to be sucked under.",
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"text": "I agree with St. Paul. The Greeks had no excuse since God revealed Himself first in the book of nature.",
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"text": "Candy is delicious and suitable in its own place. I enjoy candy. But I also enjoy steak and potatoes and shepherds pie.",
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"text": "Oh if only Peregrine could see what just happened. Jeffrey Bond, the vast majority of this eternal conversation was spent dancing around the issue of whether a man could come to know God through reason alone, based on God's presence in nature.",
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"text": "I once read a existentialist reduction of the short story \"A Descent into the Maelstrom\" by Poe, relating it to business. After that, I've got nothing left for you guys",
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"text": "We must all meet some place and have that discussion.",
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"text": "hmm . . . I'll have to think about that. I've always subscribed to the \"all literature is a footnote of Homer\" school of thought.",
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"text": "This thread has inspired me to reread Homer again so I can really have a fruitful discussion on it.",
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"text": "I prefer the Iliad, to be frank. The Odyssey always confused me a bit\nMedici's on 57th",
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"text": "Nice to know it is still there. When shall we meet?",
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"text": "beats me. Mass gets out around 11:30 on Sunday.... noonish?",
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"text": "I miss Chicago. I have family near there ~ and my parents took us to St. John Cantius quite a few times. #nostalgia",
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"text": "I probably cannot get there until next summer. I hope that works for the rest of you.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund should really get back into this conversation.",
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"text": "Mass at the Institute of Christ the King, then lunch at Medici's under the shadow of the University of Chicago. A Sunday in July perhaps?",
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"text": "I don't think it is legal to toppke a city . . .",
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"text": "even in this permissive age.",
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"text": "We have two takers for a Sunday in July in Hyde Park. Any others?",
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"text": "that's my parish Jeffrey",
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"text": "I'm in",
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"text": "and I'm not tied to either pick one",
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"text": "If I can make it, I'd definitely be interested. When I was younger, one of the parishes I attended was an Institute of Christ the King parish. Fantastic order.",
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"text": "Yes, I remember from another thread that you were a parishioner there.",
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"text": "Jeffrey - there is no \"other thread.\" The Threadness is all, and all is The Threadness.",
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"text": "So it is John, Michael, Isak, Megan and I. Is there a way to have FB send us a reminder in May so that we can make plans for July?",
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"text": "I may interest another but that is tentative. You don't know Darrell Dobbs, Jeffrey?",
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"text": "No, but of course he would be welcome if he is a lover of Homer!",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "You could always create an event for July 2015....that sends out periodic notifications.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "he is. But more of Plato.",
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"text": "Then he is even more welcome!",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Oh, one can never have too much Plato!",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "I have no idea how to create an event. Being new to FB, I can barely write comments. Can you do it, Megan?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'll do it, I'm local",
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"text": "https://www.facebook.com/events/1671935386365439/...",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Excellent.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I'll make you the admin, Michael Beitia",
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"text": "whatever",
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"text": "(as in, that's cool)",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Wow, we even have a date--July 5th. I'll put it on my calendar.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "No one banned PB, right?",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "He's one of the efficient causes of this thread.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'm afraid someone may have",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I think FB yanked his profile.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Or he deleted it himself in shame. This troll hide is so cozy...",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Someone invite John",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "I'm looking forward to breaking bread with you folks at the Medici's on 57th. Gotta go for now.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I am very grateful to PB for his efficient causality.",
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"name": "Marie Donovan",
"text": "John Ruplinger I know Dr. Dobbs, I'm sure he'd find this intended Homer conversation interesting.",
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"name": "Marie Donovan",
"text": "also this thread is certifiably insane.",
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"text": "one",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "perfect \n#gnosisachieved",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Welcome, dear Marie.",
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"text": "Great. Look forward to it. Thank you.",
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"text": "A little late and a dollar short, but Matthew J. Peterson mentioned a dislike for how graduates refer to the common good. Two things\n1. Even if, which seems fair, their notion of the common good is rather imperfect, is it not good that they are introduced to even using the term in a way that isn't associated with mocking leftists? Look at (increasingly trollish) bloggers like Fr. Z...social justice, common good, etc these concepts are only ever mentioned in bashing leftists, as their terminology. To have a \"conservative\" institution that uses the term in a serious way, even if only defectively, I think helps start breaking a barrier American conservatives have about such talk.\n2. Would it be better if we studied On the Primacy of the Common Good, maybe in seminar? Or considering the progenitor status of De Koninck, would that be intellectual masturbation at TAC?",
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"text": "Darrell is a very dear friend and similar in temper to Jeffrey.",
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"text": "you're worried about the common good when my gnosis was just achieved? I should zap you with an outpouring of the world spirit",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "So this thread has over 8000 comments WITHOUT Bonaventure's?",
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"text": "and I have sole possession of 8128!!!",
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"text": "Beitia, I am always worried about the common good",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I am too. and I'm afraid that #1 you wrote above is spot on",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "No, Catherine, I think Facebook's comment total includes comments you can't see. But, that's only 600+ comments anyways",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And I think when FB bans someone, it just sorta hides them, doesn't expunge their data",
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"text": "it's like the e-timeout",
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"text": "FWIW not only Peregrine, but Scott Weinberg's accounts are gone",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I checked that too. We'll see if he comes back in a couple of days",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "If the thread isnt diversion enough i recommend rereading it with pb invisible ",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Then we could get the feel for how John Ruplinger read it originally (with no PB)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "And I got Jeffrey Bond snagged in the thread.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "TNET is frightening. It's out of control.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "That sounds slightly unpleasant",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I believe Joshua Kenz promised some LIGUORI. Very interested really.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Buy I thought tnet is pb's porism? How can it be and not be?",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "A much simpler question about the Odyssey, (which I agree is a conundrum of a text... and 'poet of nature'... really??) is the question really about Zeus v Poseidon, or is about how enemy and ally work towards the moral rectification of Odysseus?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i have a theory about trolls. . .",
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"text": "Yes I did. But before that, some context...from the Holy Office!\n[Condemned in a decree of the Holy Office, March 4, 1679]\n1158 8. Eating and drinking even to satiety for pleasure only, are not sinful, provided this does not stand in the way of health, since any natural appetite can licitly enjoy its own actions.\n1159 9. The act of marriage exercised for pleasure only is entirely free of all fault and venial defect. (from Denzinger, old numbering)\nI included 1158 for a reason. I don't know many who think we must be consciously keeping other ends in mind. I want to marry a girl, I need money for a ring, so I take up an extra job, gardening say. I need not be thinking \"this is to marry that girl\" for that intention to be behind and informing my act. It suffices that I have that intention virtually. Same too with habitual grace and merit, I need not always be thinking, this is for Thee God! In order to be acting for God. And when drinking beer I need not always be thinking of the other ends besides pleasure, e.g. conviviality.\nAnyhow, I will pull out Liguori here and do the translating, since John Boyer is lazy, wherein he even says that one can hope a particular act does not produce a child!",
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"text": "i have a rather warped view of Odysseus that emenates from seeing too much the dark side of things, especially of late. So I can little help except to say that Zeus guides the intended harm of Poseidon's actions unto Odysseus' moral rectification. (Much as God thwarts the malice of Satan unto good.)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I concur with Bond's poet of nature. Without him, no Socrates or Plato. All we have are a bunch of Pythagorians and we all no how much fun mathematicians are ",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "An excellent point Joshua. My laziness thanks you.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Foolishly poking in this thread with no context, are the two propositions above condemned Joshua Kenz?",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Yes, hence the Condemned in a decree....preceding them",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Thank you",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "I wonder if I can finish Buffy before the thread runs out of steam. You have three seasons people.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "These pretzels ... are making me THIRSTY!",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "yes. And i misread it. So thanks.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Bring on 10000",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "context. That's funny. Kenz returned to a topic about 1000 posts old. I just reminded him.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "10000 is a noble goal",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'm sure Daniel Lendman would concur",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "We want a six-digit thread",
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"name": "Aaron Thibodeaux",
"text": "Huh...I can't see Perescott's posts anymore",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah, FB disappeared him",
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"name": "Aaron Thibodeaux",
"text": "Oh...then I'm not excommunicated?",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Marina Shea: You like Buffy too? ",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "I would pay to see the exchange The Peregrine had with Zuckerberg's minions.",
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"text": "Sorry for not translating the PAGES of \"cases\" They have to do with the liciety during pregnancy, menstruation, the time shortly after giving birth, while breast feeding (yes some moralists denied you could have sex then)\nFrom Theologia Moralis, Book 6, vol 4, tractatus 6,,cap 2)\n927 From the stated cases, the licit use of matrimony is consequently resolved:\n1. For the sake of offspring (prolis causa); even though this does not necessarily have to be intended while [the marital act] is exercised, as long as it is not positively impeded: on the contrary, sometimes it is even licitly excluded in a simple affection, e.g. from pauperism, lest one is excessively burdened by children.\n2. For the avoidance of the danger of incontinence on one's own part or that of his partner. Martin Perez from Koninck, Pontius, Hurtatus, etc, against Sanchez, who reckons this to be venial unless, still, they cannot sedate sting of the flesh otherwise (See the aforesaid n. 882, Dubitatio 1. For the same ends, with which it is licit to contract marriage, also dignify [cohonestant] the request for copulation.)\n3. The cause of health or because of some other extrinsic ends. Since what is dignified from its own nature and related to one end, is licitly refered to another end not repugnant to it; as teaches S\u00e1, Koninck, Laymann, Martin Perez. See Diana-- Nevertheless to use it for the sake of health alone is probably venial, as St. Thomas, Henriquez and Laymann against Martin Perez teac. [see 883 dubitatio 2]\nMore to follow",
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"name": "Marina Shea",
"text": "Megan- yeah I started it after a debate with some gentlemen about Spike versus Angel, and well here I am.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Nice! I've been a fan for years. \nI see this thread is now on NFP....I think?",
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"text": "So can you explain these reports about your behavior?\nNo, I've never heard of Thomas Aquinas College before. Where's tha--\nWait--ChrisEN-DUMB? What? \nOh, *Christendom*. \nLike the crusades and stuff? \nI went to Stanford, sir. \nNo, we didn't study ANY dogmas there.\nExcuse me - that's just rude. Now about your account--WHAT?!? \nNo, I can't contribute money towards a bestiary--that sounds terrible, sir. What the heck is--never mind.\nLook, it says here you--no, I don't really care what they read or didn't read when they were in college.\nI'm not talking to you about the MAGISTERIUM, dammit. Look, you call me that again and - OK, we are done here. You, sir, are banned for life. And the great Eye of Google will be watching you, you hear me?\nWe'll. BE. WATCHING. YOU.",
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"text": "Is anyone else wondering if Peregrine Scott is going through withdrawal without this thread? \nThen again, he may regenerate as someone else...",
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"text": "The internet is a big place, Jody. Plenty of places to troll.",
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"text": "Well he has a 'thing' for TAC. This isn't the first thread and won't be his last.",
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"text": "And so I add\n882 Dubit. 1\nParaphrasing what comes before: There are three ends of matrimony, essential and intrinsic, intrinsic and accidental and extrinsic and accidental. Essential and intrinsic are two: the mutual handing over of selves with the obligation of rendering the debt and the indissoluble bond\nAccidental and intrinsic are two: procreation of children and remedying concupiscence\nAccidental and extrinsic are any number of reasons why one might marrying....ending a feud is seriously listed by Liguori. He cites Aquinas (Super Sent IV dist 31 qu. 1 a. 3) that excluding the essential and intrinsic ends invalidate and make the attempt at marriage sinful...so likewise would it in the marital act. However one may exclude the intrinsic accidental ends in marrying (BVM and Joseph)\nSo the question arises (and here my paraphrase ends)\nWhether one venially sins who marries principally to remedy concupiscence?\nThe first opinion affirms [that it is a sin]. An this St. Thomas holds (S. Th. III suppl. q. 49 a.5 ad 2), and he is followed by Navarre, Natalis Alexander, Concina, Bossius, Sylvester, Henriquez, Ledesma and Sanchez- They prove this by the authority of many holy fathers. Again they prove this by reason, since, although the remedy of concupiscence is even a dignified end of matrimony, still the primary end is the procreation of children, whence it is against the order of reason that a secondary end should be chosen over a primary.\nBut the second opinion, not less common nor less probable, denies one sins in any way. One contracting in this manner does not exclude the end of procreating children. Thus Palau, Roncaglia, Croix, Holzmann, Bossius, Salmant., Koninck, Dicastillo, Pontius, Peter Soto, Gabriel, Almaino, Covarruvias, etc. And again Cajetan, Major, Durandus, Richard, Palacios, S\u00e1, Medina, Philiarchus, Angles, Perez, Ugolinus, etc, with Sanchez. (and they say this of spouses, asserting the same of spouses who copulate principally for sedating concupiscence.) The reason for this opinion is, since matrimony is instituted by God, not only for the procreation of offspring, but also for the remedy of concupiscence, as is proved by the Apostle 1 Cor. 7:2, where he says: Because of fornication...., one should have his wife, and she should have her husband.\nNevertheless, St. Thomas answers this text (S. Th Suppl q. 49 a. 5 ad 2) thus saying \"If anyone intends by the act of matrimony to avoid fornication on the part of his spouse, this is not a sin; since this is a certain rendering of the debt...But if he intends to avoid fornication in himself, thus there is in that something superfluous and according to this it is a venial sin, neither is marriage instituted for this, except according to indulgence which concerns venial sins.\"--- \nBut with the pardon of such a Doctor (whose opinions I studiously bow down to in the rest of matters), the interpretation of St. John Chrysostom seems rather more appropriate, whose words I will offer soon below, and which is followed by Estius, Salmeron, and Cornelius: namely, that \"because of fornication\" is not undersood of avoiding the fornication of one's spouse, but of oneself. And this seems to be born from the context of the same Apostle where he says: \"It is good for man to not touch woman, but because of fornication any which should have his wife and anywhich her husband.\" See how the Apostle present a counsel to men to abstain from touching women. But if they are in danger of incontinence, lest they fall into fornication, he permits not only a remedy, but urges it, saying \"any one should have his wife.\" And although he adds \"But I say this according to indulgence, not according to comman.\" still it advances that for them who are not incontinent, he only permits them to marry, when he says \"I say to those not married and widows: it is goodfor them to remain thus, just as I am also.\" Neither does \"indulgence\" here import permission for venial fault; for truly, as Pontius says with Estius, Salmerone and Cornelius, I would not dare to grant leave for sinning lightly, but rather to permit what is licit.",
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"text": "Note how when he disagree with St. Thomas, he feels the need to list every one else who does over and over....",
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"text": "I will post the rest, including his quoting the Father referred above a little later",
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"text": "I hope The Peregrine is OK. He's obviously NOT in some ways, but I hope somehow the Thread contributed to his and his family's good.",
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"text": "Perhaps I can put it another way. In every age the Church has slackened discipline. We are pretty pathetic both as to our love of God and our governance of our appetites.",
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"text": "Yes -- I hope he is ok too. Not so sure anything contributed toward his good - but people tried",
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"text": "What does it say about me that I drove 500 miles today and still had thought to lug Liguori with me? I know....NERD!!!!!",
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"text": "It says great things about you.",
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"text": "Well, I do stuff like that too. Those are the things that stick in my craw. So maybe not so great. But we like it.",
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"text": "THANKS, Joshua. That is helpful. Much interesting stuff in there. It also seems to confirm something i have have been pondering. And i really love Liguori.",
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"text": "Sequitur to the 882 above\nNow since the Divine Paul recalls his sermon to those who are in danger of incontinence, he does not only permit but als absolutely exhorts them to marriage, saying \"But if they do not contain themselves, they ought to marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt.\" For \"nubant\" more truthfully imports exhortation than permission-- This is well confirmed from this that the Aposle says in the same place, where speaking of spouses, he writes: \"Defraud not one another, except, perhaps, by consent, for a time, that you may give yourselves to prayer; and return together again, lest Satan tempt you for your incontinency.\" If, therefore, it is permitted for spouses to request the debt for the avoidance of incontinence, it will be permitted also for the same end to enter marriage.\nHence St. John Chrysostom, explaining the text of the Apostle, says that one of the reasons why God instituted marriage was to avoid incontinence--- Behold his words \"What, therefore, was the reason for marriage? And why was it given by God? Hear what Paul says\": for the avoiding of adulteries, everyone should have his wife, etc \"That we should avoid adultery, lest we be consumed by concupiscence..., securing a wife of one's own, he conveys to us marriage, here its fruit, this hence its profit..., in this it belongs to those seeking marriage to be helped toward leading a life chastely..\" Thus the holy Doctor.\nTo the authorities of the Holy Fathers which are opposed, the author Petrocorensis answers that therefore the Fathers condemned spouses since they supposed them to follow the impetus of lust.\nNow in answer to the reason for the contrary opinion, namely that it is a disorder to choose the secondary end over the primary, it is answered that it would certainly be a disorder, if the primary end were ordered to the secondary; but not if, from two licit ends the secondary is chosen before the primary--- Still, accidental and intrinsic ends of this sort (whether procreating offspring or avoiing incontinence), in order to be dignified, must be refered to God, if not actually, at least virtually or habitually; as is commonly handed down by Sanchez, Pontius, Bossius, Reginald, Villalbos, Filliuccio, etc.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz what is the name of the text you are quoting and where is it available? Is it a particular moral manual by Ligouri?",
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"text": "883 addresses \"extrinsic ends\" such as marrying to avoid shame, to end strife, etc. And the same, mutandis mutandi, applies to the use of marriage.\nMy summation is this: it is sinful to subjugate more primary ends to less ones, as if they were ordered to them. Or to act for a reason repugnant to them. It is not a sin to act, consciously, for a licit end, while only intending the other ends habitually or virtually, just as in my gardening example, the intention to marry the girl is not thought of while I contend with fixing the mower, but it underlies my entire endeavor.",
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"text": "Liguori's Passion and Glories of Mary are wonderful but his little book on Uniformity with Will of God was a Godsend. Neat anecdote that loved listening to it near his end (blind) and didnt realize it was his. He suffered a lot at the end.",
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"text": "This is from his massive Theologia Moralis. All passages from the 4th volume, book 6, tractatus 6, cap 2. Dubia 1 &2, I posted sections 927 and then 882 which was referenced by it\nYou can find it if you look really hard through used and rare books. TAC I think had a single copy in the rare books room",
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"text": "thanks again. The part on strife is interesting too.",
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"text": "Thanks much! for reference, these look like google-books editions of the latin:",
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"text": "http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=3193418.0\nTheologia Moralis [Latin] by St. Alphonsus de Liguori\nTheologia Moralis [Latin] by St. Alphonsus de Liguori\nFISHEATERS.COM",
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"text": "Of the Latin? Is there any other (those translations above were all my own! AFAIK not published in English...)",
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"text": "oh no I didn't mean to imply that there is a secret English version in my back pocket ",
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"text": "The edition I have is from 1954, it is organized into 4 volumes....I think what I was quoting is volume 7 of what you linked",
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"text": "cool.\nLooks like B&N sells a paperback version of at least the first two volumes:\nhttp://www.barnesandnoble.com/.../theologia.../1114630853...\nTheologia Moralis, Volumes 1-2\nAvailable in: Paperback. FREE SHIPPING on orders of $25 or more. Theologia Moralis, Volumes 1-2 by Saint...\nBARNESANDNOBLE.COM",
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"text": "What is meamt by \"refered to God\"",
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"text": "Warning: In this section he raises some very explicit questions and answers. E.g. (to be less explicit) on irrumatio and other indebita vasa",
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"text": "Ah, Mr. Hall looks like a self-publishing sort of thing, sort of how Lagrange's \"Reality\" was published via Lulu....interesting. I guess that helps make these rare books available again!",
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"text": "I guess these internets are good for something after all!",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger, isn't it no more than with all acts of Christians, that they must be referred to God, as to our final end?",
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"text": "John Hall: of course the internet is good for something. It gave birth to this thread, did it not?",
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"text": "That makes sense. I thought it meant to pray to God.",
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"text": "FWIW, I did a quick count in my head: I have approx 96 volumes of just moral theology (not counting general works that include it, the Summa, etc). If I am not lazy, I am fairly certain I can find just about any question address by moralists, at least before 1970....without leaving my home! It is more comprehensive than Google I find!",
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"text": "Actually make that 97...but does Jone, OFM count....He was the one who had the chart for calculating the \"true midnight\" for fasting (rather than those modernist time zones)",
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"text": "Are you going to be working as a moral theologian professionally?",
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"text": "true midnight. That's great.",
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"text": "Joshua of course Jone counts; I own him too",
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"text": "John Hall Nope! Have you ever read those dreary things? I tend to find the field, as such, to be a swamp of error.\nThe moralists are fundamentally flawed because of an exaggerated and wrong view of conscience. Compare St. Thomas, he focuses on Prudence, conscience is a very minor element, as it is in reality. Pinckaers recognized this problem, as did Ralph McIrnerny though at least the former ignored the exceptions over the last 400 years, mostly Thomists that were not writing specifically as moralists and protestant (Reformed) theologians who followed Thomas closely in many areas here\nLiguori, frankly, is the only real causist that is worthwhile, and that is because his equiprobabilism gives a backdoor (as seen in 883) for arguments of virtue and natural law, and scripture. But even he does the \"just list the authorities on either side\" and the \"case studies for everything\" a bit too much\nDr. Lamont from the Catholic Institute of Sydney wrote a great article, called Conscience, Freedom, Rights: Idols of the Enlightenment Religion. In the Thomist no. 73 (2009)\nHe states: \"This wholesale dismissal of four hundred years of Catholic moral theology perhaps requires some defence. One might ask the general question why, if moralities of conscience are as bad as all that, it was possible for the Church, guided as she is by the Holy Spirit, to go so far wrong for so long? And one may ask the particular question how the Church could have canonized St. Alphonsus Liguori, declared him a Doctor, and officially taught that his solutions to moral questions were safe to follow? Saint Alphonsus, after all, worked within the framework of moralities of conscience. If such moralities are wrong, his approach must be wrong, and he should not have been given this endorsement.\nThe answer to the question about St. Alphonsus is that his approach of equiprobabilism, by requiring that one begin by determining whether command or freedom should be treated as in possession, allowed reasoning about the actual moral issue to return to moral reflection through the back door. Partly as a result, his personal solutions to moral dilemmas were distinguished by good judgment. The answer to the question about moralities of conscience in general is that a key component of them, the casuistic method, could in fact be made to serve some useful purposes.\"\nI do recommend that whole article....it articulated nicely the thoughts that had been forming, but not yet articulated, through my own reading of the tradition.",
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"text": "To be fair, I exaggerate a bit...but only a bit...",
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"text": "Joshua I agree. Thankfully the Protestant casuists got Thomas right; vide Kelly, \"Conscience, Dictator or Guide?\" which shows this. Sanderson and Taylor are fantastic, with none of the legalism of the indeed dreary post-Trid RC tradition",
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"text": "Kelly by the way is Roman Catholic himself",
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"text": "Where may one find that article?\nHere is Lamont's btw (loaded it up)\nhttps://docs.google.com/.../0B3j1qptMEOqndXVUTnc1.../edit...\nConscience-freedom-rights.pdf - Google Drive\nDOCS.GOOGLE.COM",
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"text": "Pinckaers is kind of a sneak in not letting his readers know that the Protestant casuists got Thomas right",
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"text": "and thanks for the Lamont!",
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"text": "Oh, Kelly's is a book....hmm...another book for my already too big till I get a place of my own library or a fungible good, like gunpowder for reloading bullets....dilemmas, dilemmas...",
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"text": "Outstanding texts, Joshua. And yes, you are a nerd.",
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"text": "On a more important note, Marina Shea, Spike is totally better than Angel, though Angel, I think, is a better series than Buffy (especially after they made Willow a lesbian)",
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"text": "Which they also did to Buffy in the season 8 comics, because yay perversity-diversity",
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"text": "The facts revealed in this thread never cease to amaze me.",
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"text": "Joshua, thanks for the Lamont as well, as I too will download it. The Kelly is a worthy add, but then so is the gunpowder. And if you ever reload your way into an excess of .308, I'll buy some off you so you can turn that cash into the book. No dilemma, then!",
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"text": "The real question is who is more annoying, Lesbo-Willow with her emoting, or Conor (the actor behind whom is also annoying in Mad Men). I find it apropos that they actually changed reality to get rid of Conor....",
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"text": "I haven't seen Conor yet",
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"text": "Conner is in Angel - the spin off of Buffy. I detest Conner, so annoying. I do agree that Willow gets annoying in later series - but not necessarily due to the lesbianism. It's more of her willful trampling over the feelings of others and her unbridled arrogance. She's the worst in season 6, slightly better in season 7.",
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"text": "I am now lost.",
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"text": "Answering Joel's Q from a ways above on the Friday Night lecture on why separated souls are not persons: it was by John O'Callaghan, and was later published here: http://books.google.at/books?id=rKGz2R0GiIIC&lpg=PA100...\nAquinas the Augustinian\nThe influence Of St Augustine's thought upon that of St Thomas Aquinas is well known. With the exception of...\nBOOKS.GOOGLE.AT",
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"text": "Also my prediction on how the next round of NFP discussion will go: first Wendy Irene will join the thread and shed such a luminous light of good sense on the Q that for a moment even Big Angry Daniel and Samantha will agree, but this momentary agreement will then be dissipated when Franklin Salazar comes in and infuriates half of the thread with some theory about 'Ecological breastfeeding' or something.",
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"text": "'Which they also did to Buffy in the season 8 comics, because yay perversity-diversity' - Joshua, I did *not* need to know that.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I would like to point out that I really never had a position that I argued for, other than saying \"such and such\" seems to be what the Scriptures and the Fathers would hold.",
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"text": "Timothy Gerard Aloysius Wilson: you should go to TAC.",
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"text": "I hope I at least disabused you of the way Scriptures part of your claim",
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"text": "We never go to finish, sadly, Samantha.",
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"text": "Despite your valiant attempts.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund's prediction sounds nice",
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"text": "Dan, remember that time we agreed about Creon? That was nice too",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz did you come down on a side of this debate (that I never really intended to begin).",
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"text": "I also remember calling you a fascist. Not my proudest moment, to be sure.",
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"text": "Was that because I was against everything and not for anything? Or to do with being pro Creon?",
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"text": "T'was neither politic, nor fair... but that my describe most of my later teen years.",
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"text": "Yeah, mine too. Possibly also my later twenties. I'm sure by my later thirties I'll have learned some policy and fairness though",
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"text": "btw: i assume the reason that the reason for refraining from conjugal acts while a woman is breastfeeding is that it is generally an infertile period. That conforms to Samantha's thesis that woman are baby factories which is what sex is for (Cf. # 5,342.5)",
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"text": "Breastfeeding is nature's way of \"spacing\" children, a vastly superior way than NFP. While it is the role of art to perfect nature, nevertheless art must follow nature. Sadly, that is not the case when a couple falls prey to the temptation to rationalize the need for \"planning\" their children.",
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"text": "[I used to be ambivalent but have seen the ill effect.] And I have a \"real apprehension\" that Harry Potter is from hell. Heads spun and all that; it was scary. I wont argue since reason does not prevail on the issue. Also first hand testimony from exorcists should give pause. Way too much wrong with HP.",
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"text": "Yeah, the whole \"breastfeeding is natures way of 'spacing' children\" does not work universally. My wife exclusively breastfed and she gave birth to our second less than a year after the first. <<Bubble Pop>>",
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"text": "you probably won't learn policy and fairness.... you went to TAC and are an arrogant grad.",
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"text": "generally though. And we have one exception.",
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"text": "Fallen nature defies total compliance with universal principles, but the principles are still universal.",
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"text": "Yes, nature is pretty unreliable about spacing children. I'm pretty certain nature wants me to have waaaaaay more children than I could handle while retaining my sanity",
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"text": "We are often not the best judges in our own cases. That is why, if I am not mistaken, NFPers should seek spiritual direction.",
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"text": "^I agree.",
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"text": "In any event, I would say nature is pretty reliable when it comes to spacing children. Otherwise we would not call it natural. Exceptions prove the rule.",
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"text": "That sounds circular Jeffrey",
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"text": "when we had three in diapers at the same time, and my wife exclusively breastfed.....yeah spacing",
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"text": "Andrews oh. yeah. No. Especially in first world countries where nutrition is better so the body doesn't have to work too hard to keep both mom and baby alive. Any NFP group out there will show you the naturally occurring spacing is......very short. And not predictable.",
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"text": "How so? Whatever happens always or for the most part cannot be by chance. We don't have to establish that there is nature; it is self-evident.",
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"text": "certainly, Jeffrey, but there are other factors than just breastfeeding, sleeping habits and as Bekah pointed out, nutrition contribute to the time period",
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"text": "Isn't it generally the first world folks who, by any objective standard, are less in need of NFP but who have rationalized it to maintain a certain standard of living? The NFP groups have an agenda.",
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"text": "--\nPater Edmund writes : \"this momentary agreement will then be dissipated when Franklin Salazar comes in and infuriates half of the thread with some theory about 'Ecological breastfeeding' or something.\"\nNot theory. I simply write it like it is, and most Catholics don't like reading it for the simple reason that people typically don't enjoy having their most precious ox gored.\nFor instance, NFP is not natural as in the natural method of spacing babies that God intended, but is instead naturally medicinal caused by a disorder in society, and as opposed to correcting their culture caused disorder they promote a medicinal bandage mistaking its purpose for being what it is not.\nNFP types don't like reading that the most common way NFP is promoted is disordered. But then again on the flip side, neither do the super sized catholic family promoters like reading that far from being a mark of the Faith, their super sized families are likewise a sign of disorder. \nAnd so yes, I do on occasion infuriate people, but hopefully I also help them see past themselves. But I would hope for better from TACers who spent years in class practicing being wrong and politely taking it.\nhttp://catholiccultureandsociety.blogspot.com/.../nfp-is...\nhttp://catholiccultureandsociety.blogspot.com/.../supersi...\nCatholic Culture and Society: NFP is harmful to a marriage.\nThis blog is about : Organic Catholicism. . . . . Organic Catholicism is at human scale. It's eminently practical, and simple. . . . . It's back to nature, as in back to our nature. It looks at the world around us according to our nature, which in turn is to look at the world simply . . . . . . . .\u2026\nCATHOLICCULTUREANDSOCIETY.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "that may be true in some cases, but because continence is abused doesn't make the method in itself immoral",
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"text": "No one has said the method itself is immoral. But the method is readily an occasion for self-centered judgment about one's needs.",
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"text": "[I am not judging btw but am concerned with principle. The burden is serious and our society makes it very hard. The culture in profound ways works against normal, viz. nature. ]",
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"text": "which means that one needs good spiritual direction",
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"text": "Andrews Uh. No again. I'm a first world gal. And I cannot have children ten months apart. Which my body seems to think I should do. But then again, my body also thinks I should have pre eclampsia every pregnancy. And my conscience thinks I should homeschool my kids. So , yeah. Not about the standard of living. And again. Visit any NFP group, lots on facebook. I challenge you to find one person who is practicing it to maintain a standard of living.",
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"text": "Jeffrey, I'll concede whatever point you're making about nature, if you'll concede that breastfeeding very often gives an extremely short space or even no space at all between pregnancies",
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"text": "How do you concede a point that is categorized as \"whatever point you're making\"?",
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"text": "It is true that nature acts always or for the most part, but it is also true that art perfects nature. \nWhat is further true is that when evaluating moral circumstances one is always dealing with particulars and never abstractions. Consequently, universals often break down in their application. \nThis is why it is helpful to have a Spiritual adivsor in such matters.",
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"text": "Samantha:\nhttp://images5.fanpop.com/.../jermaine-jermaine-jackson...?\nIMAGES5.FANPOP.COM",
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"text": "Agreed. As for art perfecting nature, that art must still follow nature, i.e., take its bearings from nature. Art cannot establish an end apart from nature.",
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"text": "^Thus the \"perfects\" part.",
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"text": "I cannot prove that standard of living is a cause for folks misusing NFP, nor can the contrary be demonstrated. But I can look in my own heart, and listen to the concerns of others expressing what is in theirs, and then realize that maintaining a certain standard of living is a great temptation. To flat out deny that this is a temptation for NFPers seems mistaken given my admittedly limited experience on this earth.",
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"text": "as far as standard of living goes, here in the greater Chicago area I could live in less expensive neighborhoods, but I have an obligation not only to produce children, but to keep them safe and to educate them. Consequently, the must higher cost of living is for the sake of the children too.",
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"text": "it is prima facie at least implausible that anyone who takes the Catholic Church seriously enough to exclusively use a rather unreliable and in any case somewhat onerous method like NFP is in it to maintain a consumerist lifestyle",
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"text": "The main standard of living I want to maintain, is one where I'm not losing my mind and all my hair from stress",
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"text": "Understood. I cannot judge your case Michael, nor anyone else's unless they set it before me in all its particulars and ask me to help them discern what's right. So I am merely noting that maintaining a certain standard of living is a temptation for NFPers. Not a terribly controversial point, I think.",
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"text": "Andrews I have moved from being dismayed to alarmed over the years at how many people assume Catholics trying to live their vocation according to Church teaching are assumed to have weak or selfish motives. Rather than assuming they are making the choices they are enlightened by the grace of the sacrament of matrimony. NFP is freakin' hard. If you want to have a cushy lifestyle, and that's your primary motivation, you're not going to use NFP to get there.",
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"text": "Andrews Maintaining a certain standard of living.....what does that mean? And how is this particular temptation unique to NFPers?",
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"text": "Yeah! Especially when you're not even 100% convinced by the Church's arguments against ABC anyway",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz reading on my phone makes jumping around in the thread difficult. Could you recap the Liguori and the condemnation thingy for me?",
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"text": "I just want to leave my mansion in the gated community, take the top down on my bentely and buy designer clothes for my kids. Is that so wrong?",
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"text": "Perhaps the overall point in all of this, Jeffery, is that one must be very careful how one phrases the sorts of universals that your are forwarding.",
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"text": "The temperature has finally dropped below 95, so I'm off for a run to help maintain my decadent standard of living. See ya!",
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"text": "Must run to the post office to maintain my very low standard of living, but will happily return to this when I can.",
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"text": "[Salazar points to some of the underlying problem which is the main cause for Samantha's hair loss and is not caused by the nature of too closely spaced kids per se. The culture is anti physin. The anxiety is not normal but caused by extrinsic disorders.]",
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"text": "^Not good enough.",
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"text": "my oldest is the perfect servant. Woke up to a nice fresh pot of coffee this morning",
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"text": "my oldest used to get up with the youngest and change his diaper before anyone else got up, then make coffee. Raise 'em right!",
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"text": "I have a hard time when we compare ourselves today to those of say my great grandparents who raised ten kids on what they grew on the land. It's almost like when we complain we have so much to do and so little time and yet we have machines that wash our clothes and out dishes. Cost of living has gone up, yes, but we do pay significantly less percentage of our budget wise for food and clothing. Also, with regards to the natural spacing, it really does depend on the woman. Ok... I had more thoughts... But pregnancy brain killed them... Oh right! \nAlso oftentimes God knows what is best. I read an article by someone who's husband had cancer so they decided to avoid pregnancy... They got pregnant anyways and it was the best thing that happened because it have them someone/something else to focus on. God won't give you more than you can handle, though he may try to test your patience and trust ",
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"text": "thank heavens",
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"text": "Wow! You're really Doing something right then!",
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"text": "AND to add to Michael's point the hardest time is the firsu three in diapers. It actually gets easier after that (just dont tell my wife that )",
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"text": "Lauren, also sexist. My daughter is the least useful of the older 3",
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"text": "I must just have bad examples of raising boys well ",
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"text": "Out of the city in the country the natural order is more discernable.",
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"text": "In general, I find it very dangerous and unprofitable to tell good Christian mothers what they should or should not do. Circumstances vary too greatly. \nI started this whole cancerous NFP discussion, I know. But my interests were purely speculative. \nAgain, even if people are mis-using NFP, the fact that they care about that at all is a huge improvement over the status quo, and will surely lead them to further graces. This is not the battle we need to fight.",
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"text": "[btw Pater Edmund is the ultimate troll. Did anyone see him pop in, throw that fiery cocktail and run?]",
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"text": "Who is this person, and what has he done with Daniel Lendman? Venial Sin, not a big deal? No need to tell others what to do?",
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"text": "Well we could do a better job teaching the just and serious reasons to avoid instead of teaching it as a simple alternative to contraception...",
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"text": "Dangerous, Daniel, indeed as if this thread weren' testimony enough. Of course after 15 years, I still haven't figured out how not to tell a certain Maureen O' Hara - did i say that - what to do. ",
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"text": "In seriousness, though: In general, one ought not to try to root out every habitual venial sin all at once. This is almost always too much and often very harmful.",
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"text": "Lauren Ogrodnick, I think that is true, but I also think that our catechesis and evangelization need to acknowledge that we live in a post-Christian society.",
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"text": "Andrews My experience says that those who use NFP tend to be drawn closer to the Church. Self sacrifice will do that. NFP is hard enough that those who might \"abuse\" it more than likely will cease, as your motivations for continuing to deny yourself are strongest when you know it is for the family's benefit.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger-- I am amazed at your willingness to state what the casue of my hair loss is with such certainty.",
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"text": "As a matter of fact, you are quite wrong. I do pretty well once my babies are born, but pregnancy ruins me. Unfortunately no number of servants can fix that.",
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"text": "I have actually not lost my hair, btw. That was sort of a figure of speech.",
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"text": "i figured.",
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"text": "And i didn't specify the causes (doing so might really heat things up. But the culture is anti physin. Bearing children is heroic, moreso for some women but our society adds so many anxieties, so few reliefs. That is all.)",
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"text": "Andrews You need to keep in mind, bearing children....that's the first part. Of an minimum eighteen year commitment. A commitment to educating them and forming them with love and patience.",
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"text": "i was just responding to Samantha's point, very valid.",
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"text": "I have changed my profile picture to one which proves I still have hair.",
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"text": "Because I am vain.",
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"text": "I am a little saddened at the fact that my Willow meme above has been so neglected.",
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"text": "what is Willow? Buffy?",
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"text": "Top o' the mornin'!",
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"text": "Samantha I've expanded my \"probably horrible post\" into an essay which you can read on google docs: https://docs.google.com/.../1RTeD.../edit...\nHave I mentioned that I think it admirable that you are against contraception even though as a Protestant you don't see the argument from infallible authority against it? Because I do think it admirable.\nNatures as Words, Contraception as Lying - Google Docs\nDOCS.GOOGLE.COM",
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"text": "If this conversation is dying we could always talk about the War of Northern Aggression, or something similarly uncontroversial.",
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"text": "Ford > Chevy discuss",
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"text": "How about the southern rebellion instead? [Or which Leviathan would you fight for 8 score years later? ]",
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"text": "Fine, I guess I will actually read it. I'm at the playground now though. Still suspect it is probably horrible but thanks for your kindness",
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"text": "alright, I've got to clear up some thoughts about Harry Potter (garbage though it may be)\n1) you're either born magical, or not. No special gnosis\n2) it is a \"natural talent\" in the book that needs honing like any other natural talent\nnow let's consider another popular movie series, X-Men (garbage though it may be)\n1) you're either born mutant, or you're not, no special gnosis\n2) it is a \"natural talent\" in the series that needs special honing, like any other natural talent, hence Xavier's school\nI hear rants against HP but not X-Men. why? is it simply the word \"magic\". Call them mutants instead and you have the same result",
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"name": "Wendy Irene",
"text": "Well, how can I refuse an invitation from you, Pater Edmund? Although even you cannot make me read quite all the previous comments.",
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"text": "To Father: the analogy fails it seems or I don't understand. Does thwarting procreation correspond to avoiding unjust death (in the case of Athanatius? Or what is being compared?)",
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"text": "Apropos of the \"when is it OK to have marital relations\" discussion, I think it's helpful to remember that the marriage union is, of its nature, \"the sort of union which is ordered to children (both bringing them to being and raising them to be good adults, i.e., procreation and education).\" And also, to remember that it is good for children for their parents to be united. So, engaging in marital relations even at infertile times, by uniting the spouses, is not \"merely\" unitive, but secondarily procreative because it promotes good circumstances for the education (in the broad sense) of the children. Any time you're talking about the unitive in marriage, it's going to be referred to procreative -- because that's precisely the kind of unity you get in marriage (qua marriage) (did you notice that I used qua? )",
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"text": "When Mr. Smith Goes to TACshington: filibustering to prove a point... a sadly forgotten art... The Constitution of the United States: \nWe the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.\nArticle. I.\nSection. 1.\nAll legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.\nSection. 2.\nThe House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.\nNo Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.\nRepresentatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.\nWhen vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.\nThe House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.\nSection. 3.\nThe Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.\nImmediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.\nNo Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.\nThe Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.\nThe Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.\nThe Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.\nJudgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.\nSection. 4.\nThe Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.\nThe Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.\nSection. 5.\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.\nEach House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.\nNeither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.",
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"text": "(I grant, of course, that that kind of union (marriage, i.e. a union ordered to procreation & education of children) is perfected by other kinds of union, such as charity and friendship. But they are not the essence of marriage, but rather something from the outside needed to make it the best it can be. It's something like a...say...flower planting club. What makes it a f. p. club is the members get together to plant flowers. They could hate each other and still be a club. But they'll be a really good club if they are friends and love each other with charity.)",
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"text": "why is the constitution...ok, never mind.",
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"text": "Michael, I have mostly forgot X-Men and dont remember its insights or what virtues it promotes or how it makes more reasonable the imagination, once called the mad woman of the house in more 'bigoted' times, but no kids go out to buy or search online a how to be a mutant book.",
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"text": "in HP you can't \"become\" a witch.",
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"text": "These mashed potatoes are so creamy.",
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"text": "Caesar Romero was tall.",
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"text": "is tall in the category of \"relation\" or in \"quality\"?",
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"text": "John, filibustering is somewhat less impressive when you can cut and paste.",
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"text": "I think we're all just treading water until Pope Bonbon comes back",
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"text": "and what are the other effects on youth from reading HP again and again sometimes: read HP I. Do not the main protagonists not only go unpunished but even prevail by breaking rules (magic irl). What are the differences in character among the various adherents to different school? Does any one else notice how Baconian the characters are in their attitude of dominance over nature (and remember Bacon commended study of the occult arts in his New Atlantis)? . . . .",
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"text": "mb, irl one can.",
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"text": "Can I just say, before I go off to read Pater Edmund's probably horrible piece, that anyone who reads HP and then decides they would like to become a witch is a bad reader, which is not JK Rowling's fault.",
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"text": "You're right, it's totally Baconian. Burn them all.",
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"text": "except Ryan Burke- apparently FB has limits to the length of texts.. so... it actually took an hour to get it all formatted to fit into little pieces... I couldn't even do one article at a time... however, unfortunately the subtlety in my argument was missed...",
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"text": "so BLAME the misformed kids who do. . . nice",
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"text": "Except for the part where Dumbledore rewards Neville for standing up to his friends when those friends were going to do something they weren't supposed to do.",
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"text": "I sadly missed the original Harry Potter discussion, but will just say that all the arguments against Harry Potter I've ever heard have been ridiculous, so I assume the ones here were too. \"Baconian\" indeed.",
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"text": "I think we have larger battles to fight than ones over Harry Potter.",
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"text": "I personally doubt that such kids exist, John, but if they do, then their problems are not JK Rowling's fault.",
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"text": "Similarly, Jonn, those who take away from HP \"no rules are important\" (whose existence would need to be proven since that is clearly not the point) are also very bad readers, not readers of bad books.",
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"text": "its interesting there is one blog dedicated to the occult in society by an atheist who demonstrates that influence of HP. He argued against kids reading it without parental guidance. Noteworthy is that his interest lead him to join an occult society that he didnt see as harmful. His own wife was led to witchcraft because of her love of HP. But for them it was ok being their own choice. Yet they wouldnt let their kids read it bc they recognized the unwitting influence.",
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"text": "Yes, it is interesting that there are crazy people in the world. I agree.",
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"text": "Harry Potter sucks?",
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"text": "Not falling for it, Adrw Lng",
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"text": "i only became belligerent on the topic when i was alarmed at how catholic parents would more zealously defend HP than the Bible. Before which i was ambivalent, but since, I have seen much worse.",
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"text": "so it doesn't effect you or your kids in any way. That is good but why so zealous a defense of what is at best amusement or candy as several said?",
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"text": "I'm ambivalent. Like I said, there's a huge crossover with X-Men, but sub \"mutant\" for \"magic\". X-Men are pretty Machiavellian, as is HP. \nI keep saying it is crap. \nBUt .... it does offer talking points as to why might doesn't make right, or why it isn't okay to do bad things even if the end is to be sought after.",
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"text": "the more important thing is to TALK to you children about what they're reading, regardless of what it is (unless totally inappropriate).",
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"text": "It is a candy of which I am particularly fond.",
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"text": "Michael. I thought you were my friend.",
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"text": "I'd prefer tortilla chips and salsa any day of the week.\nPlus I like my snacking with beer, and that more includes the salty",
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"text": "because as Thomas says, it is the moisture and the heat which produces the sweet.",
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"text": "I agree that the Bible is superior to Harry Potter.",
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"text": "IDK, the Bible has lots of sex in it (JOKE)",
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"text": "Harry Potter is not \"occult\"; \"magic\" in the HP cycle is a trope for \"old liberal arts/learning\", and \"Muggledom\" is technocratized society. The rest of it is just typical YA book plot",
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"text": "There is some clever candy that is fascinating. If it were complete crap none would defend it (although i am not so sure anymore)",
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"text": "I am old enough to remember when churches had their undies all up in a knot over Dungeons and Dragons, so I've seen this before",
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"text": "I don't defend it from just claims of being mind candy. But I think it is worse to accuse something of being more than it is",
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"text": "I've read 2 or 3 HP books, and it is badly written derivative drivel. I'm always amazed the books have such intelligent defenders. But the criticisms (other than that it is crap writing and lazy uninspired storytelling) are even stupider.",
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"text": "Sorry Samantha Cohoe.",
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"text": "I'm not defending it against anything other than charges of being gateway into Evil",
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"text": "like I said, its mostly just typical YA stuff",
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"text": "Joel HF,\nNo problem. In 1679 the Holy Office condemned a series of proposition which included that idea that you could eat solely for pleasure, as long as it wasn't against health, and have marital relations solely for pleasure. The upshot is that either is at least venially sinful\nLiguori argues that marrying or having marital relations for the sake of secondary ends (like remedying concupiscence) or even external and accidental ends (ending strife) is not sinful, and he argues it doesn't disorder the ends, because choosing to do X for a licit end does not necessarily means subordinating a higher end to that end. Nor does it mean excluding that higher end, just as with merit, the intention to direct the act toward God need not be consciously made at all times, but can be virtually present.\nHe even argues that, in grave cases, one may even have a certain affect, a hope if you will, that this act of relations will not produce children.\nI was trying to address Big Angry's \"it is probably venially sinful\" position. Liguori recognizes that the Fathers, and in an attenuated way St. Thomas holds this, so he goes at greater lengths than normal (while pointing out that he bows down to St. Thomas as an authority...obsequi is the verb there) to argue the contrary position, relying on another Father and reason I think he succeeds.\nSo if a husband or wife is moved, in this instance, because of libido, toward requesting the debt, that is no sin, as long as they do not will or act in a way repugnant to the more primary ends of marriage (like procreating).",
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"text": "I just read Pater Edmund's excellent essay entitled \"Natures as Words, Contraception as Lying.\" He persuasively argues that lying is to equivocation as contraception is to NFP. This analogy is very helpful to our discussion. After all, equivocation is not the norm; truth telling is. Likewise, NFP cannot be the norm; complete openness to new life is. Equivocation is tricky business. So too is NFP. I may well be misinterpreting the underlying assumptions of some of the comments made on this thread, but some seem to be arguing as if NFP is the norm because nature doesn't establish a standard and so we, who know better for ourselves, must do so. In this context it is worth thinking about Pater Edmund's claim that a false view of nature underlies the contraceptive mentality. I think he is right.",
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"text": "JAson, I don't think I want to be Elfstar anymore",
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"text": "right but being Elfstar in D and D didn't lead to you being Sepulchrus the Batwinged, High Priest of Satan, in real life",
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"text": "It's not high literature by any means, so I agree with most of you. I disagree that HP is a portal into the occult. I strongly believe that anyone claiming that HP led them into the occult is being somewhat disingenuous. I'm thinking there were probably other contributing factors.",
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"text": "any opportunity to reference a Chick Tract",
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"text": "I think the net effect of HP on kids is to increase interest in learning Latin",
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"text": "I'm tempted to go find that one Chick tract against dungeons and dragons, JA Escalante.",
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"text": "http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP\nDark Dungeons\nDebbie thought playing Dungeons and Dragons was fun...until it destroyed her friend.\nCHICK.COM",
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"text": "The moral principle of imposing one's will upon nature to what ends we will pervades the Potter world (as Bacon's). But what of conforming one's mind and will to nature, not visa-versa? What of leisurely things is absent in Potter that is present in LOTR? Are the muggle world and that of Hogworts 2 sides of a coin?",
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"text": "there you go Joel",
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"text": "Let's compromise-- chocolate covered pretzels.",
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"text": "I just ate some peanut M&Ms... breakfast of champions",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, so you think Ligouri meshes with the 1679 commendation?",
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"text": "John that's an excellent question, but I think Rowling makes it clear that familial and friendly love is the only real \"magic\"; that's sort of the whole point of Harry vs Tom (Voldemort). She's not in favor of \"white\" instrumentalism of the sort you're talking about",
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"text": "Iow, it's not a Baconian parable",
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"text": "As a Latin teacher, I can absolutely attest that the effect of Harry Potter in encouraging kids to learn Latin is real",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"I dont 'believe' it is a gateway to the occult.\" Are the exorcists lying? What is the argument?",
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"text": "I think the claim is that HP + (other) = interest in the occult. but it is the (other) that is the interest in the occult, not HP",
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"text": "How does this fit in with NFP? Well when NFP is used to avoid pregnancy, there is a certain affection that this act will not produce a child. To have this hope or desire, and not be, in intention, rejecting the end of procreation I think is the tricky part. Such as dieting and fasting both can involve abstaining from food, yet differ specifically in their object and not just by intention, abstinence in NFP differs objectively from abstinence for some other reason. The desire not to have children produced through these acts of marital intercourse is present in those acts, so it is not the abstaining, but the having sex in the context of avoidance that raises the issue.\nI think if we combine Liguori and Langley (who is just echoing De Koninck), we can say this:\nThe ends of marriage must be present, at least virtually, in the marital act. This includes procreation. It need not be conscious. The sort of act that it is, without employing means to frustrate these ends in the act, includes as it were by default a procreative end (even in sterile couples, as even a blind eye is ordered to sight). The user of NFP, nevertheless, clearly does not intend the procreative end, in THIS act. Hw can he or she both virtually intend it, but actually not want it to happen? Well if the end is more than physical conception, but is rather the procreation and education of children then one can still intend that end, even in this act, while hoping that it will not produce yet another child.\nStill, poverty, e.g., or even risk to the mother's life from pregnancy does not REQUIRE the use of NFP. What we are really saying is that, for the sake of the other ends of sex (satiating libido for one!), one may hope not to produce another child, as long as that affection, and hence the use of NFP, proceed for the sake of the higher ends of marriage, considered more completely outside of the marital act. Nevertheless, it remains morally licit to even intend children in poverty, or even at risk of health, since that it a natural and primary end of the act, and there can be no moral necessity to refer it to another end that is only lower or virtually contained in that end.\nNB: My understanding is that if the act of sex itself is a proximate danger to life, then it is immoral to have sex. If it is a remote danger, e.g. wife has AIDS, the endangered person, the husband, is not obliged, but may do so for just cause, either for himself or his wife's sake.. Not sure how a risk of a risky pregnancy fits in.",
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"text": "Joel, yes, yes I do...since it would not be \"solely\" for that end. He is basically arguing the other ends can be virtually present.",
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"text": "Klein thought that alchemy and magic were twins at birth but one was stillborn. I dont agree. That is all.",
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"text": "fair enough, John, I don't believe in either.",
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"text": "Andrews Harry Potter and nfp.......clearly just to keep the thread alive.",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger, is there a more reputable exorcist than Amorth condemning HP?\nI say this because Amorth is notoriously full of it. If all the stories he says are true, he acts against the Church's discipline on exorcism habitually....he also must be exorcising multiple people at once all the time....there are a lot of issues with his credibility.\nThat said, I detest HP. I read part of the first book and tossed it out...it was evil. Not morally evil, but literary evil...tripe...but I am a snob like that",
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"text": "I think Pater Edmund's analogy between equivocation and NFP fails because the relationship of speech to truth telling isn't the same as the sex's to reproduction.",
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"text": "Every act of speech should be truthful, not every act of sex needs to be procreative",
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"text": "Not every act of sex even could be procreative, as every act of speech could--and should-- be truthful",
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"text": "all analogies are lame... let's come up with a more substantive objection",
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"text": "me too, Joshua but I was roped into the debate. And i have first hand testimony i think though exorcists speak with caution and dont reveal they are such. That said i am convinced of the testimony. [To clarify: i dont know whether he was present at the incidents. But other matters he did testify to convinced me too.]",
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"text": "To JA, I never said it was a parable for Bacon.",
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"text": "Marriage and sex as a whole need to be ordered to procreation (taken as generating *and* educating children), but to say that every act of sex needs to be ordered to procreation leads to some absurd conclusions and ignores all the other goods of sex.",
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"text": "It's kinda surreal to have parallel discussions of NFP and Harry Potter",
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"text": "and 0 likes and that mb failed to follow my distinction and the paucity of response and the number of questions unanswered. Tis strange that an overpopular and well grounded opinion is so strongly held, so weakly defended.",
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"text": "[bunch of comments disappeared]",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/shgQ3-OGmu4\nKick in the Head - New Riders of the Purple Sage\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Sorry, just found that apropos...\"I went to the college of evil, but the smoke really drove me away. \"",
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"text": "John, not sure what you're referring to. But Sat. is my laundry folding day. Been in and out (from being next to a computer)",
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"text": "Breaking out the morning coffee at 1423 EST",
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"text": "as in, I'm not sure what distinction you wanted me to follow",
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"text": "magic is in the real world; mutants are not. Kids do live out theis HP fantasies. That is all.",
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"text": "I don't believe in magic. \nIf you mean in demons? that's different",
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"text": "Even if magic isn't actually effective, though, there are still various Satanical groups that claim to practice \"magic,\" and that's not harmless.",
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"text": "mutants do:\nhttp://www.history.com/shows/stan-lees-superhumans\nStan Lee's Superhumans - Episodes, Video & Schedule - HISTORY.com\nSave\nHISTORY.COM",
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"text": "But I'm not sure how different that is from the argument \"People shouldn't read stories about war because they might try to live out their war-fantasies in real life\"",
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"text": "changed \"hero\" to \"war\"",
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"text": "Oh I believe in magic alright\nhttp://youtu.be/mDYNuD4CwlI\nOk, I probably going to hell....\nDo You Believe In Magic - The Lovin' Spoonful\nDo you believe in magic in a ayoung girl's heart How the...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Kids shouldn't read stories that anthropomorphize animals because they'll try to talk to badgers",
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"text": "by magic, i mean what God allows the demons to do to seduce practitioners of any variety of occult art often denied as such activity by the practitioner.",
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"name": "Franklin Salazar",
"text": "--\nPater Edmund's choice of comparing lying to artificial birth control is unfortunate because it can have the opposite effect of what he intends because common experience of life teaches us that lying, i.e. saying what we know is not true, is virtually intrinsic to our nature as political animals, and thus in turn his comparison can be seen as a defense of artificial birth control.\nhttp://catholiccultureandsociety.blogspot.com/.../proof...\nCatholic Culture and Society: The proof of Catholic social theory is : Does it work at a...\nThis blog is about : Organic Catholicism. . . . . Organic Catholicism is at human scale. It's eminently practical, and simple. . . . . It's back to nature, as in back to our nature. It looks at the world around us according to our nature, which in turn is to look at the world simply . . . . . . . .\u2026\nCATHOLICCULTUREANDSOCIETY.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "I don't think that's a widespread problem, John. I think it takes a special sort of megalomania to want to \"have power over things\"",
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"text": "but Edward war is not intrisically evil. Nor is every war novel good.",
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"text": "megalomania is pretty common today. Narcissism moreso \"cough\" FB",
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"text": "That was the point: it's not sufficient to argue that they did X because they read about it in a book.\nJust as it's silly to say that \"X went on a shooting spree because he read a violent book\" so it could be silly to say that \"X got involved in satanism because he read HP\": sure those statements could point out a kind of causality, but only in the way getting in a car is a cause of dying in a car crash.",
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"text": "that being said, we don't have first person shooter video games in my house.",
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"text": "but by power over nature, I mean what is the practical aim of modern science. This is commonly held. Not so much megalomania.",
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"text": "that is not the same as individual instantaneous power over nature, like wave a magic wand and my room is clean. Flying on a broom is different from flying on a plane.",
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"text": "Is there really evidence of possession only from reading Harry potter? Because that seems a very susceptible person",
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"text": "impossible Katie. Doesn't there have to be willful assent from a Baptized person?",
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"text": "Yeah, broom flying is more economical...you can get a wisk broom for like $10...",
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"text": "true, Edward. But a child that spends his days watching war movier and dreaming about such, does it not influence his later decisions? Not always of course. But who would deny this?",
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"text": "How 'bout Mary Poppins? is she eeevil?",
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"text": "Mr. Berquist used to say that Superman's flying is unnatural, because the whole man is moved but not part by part.",
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"text": "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Poppins\nMary Poppins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nMary Poppins is the lead character in a series of eight...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG\nAugust 30 at 2:52pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJehoshaphat Escalante also, Superman's motion was violent in relation to gravity and levity",
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"text": "Superman moves by pure act of will",
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"text": "like a baseball that never falls. Ergo, demonic",
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"text": "why doesn't Superman recline on his back and read, while flying?",
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"text": "I am sorry, I am not taking this very seriously.\nIn all seriousness now. TAC is next door to the occult capital of the USA. Most of it is just silly, but I knew of some really dark stuff...animal sacrifices, orgies, etc.\nWe even had a witch steal a host from the TLM in Ventura for use in a black mass ... James Layne tried chasing her down. That is why, even if black Masses were a myth of literature in the 19th century, I know dang well they happen in reality now. So there you have it, fiction inspiring reality.",
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"text": "Ojai delenda est",
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"text": "I agree mb there is a difference though i think the underlying desire (in some only) is the same.",
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"text": "\"occult capital of the USA\" !",
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"text": "Superman's motion was not unnatural. I always assumed it was gas powered by his super-flatulence...that explains how he could even propel in space",
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"text": "Hmm...I returned from attending to some duties intending to talk about NFP. It appears the conversation, has, er, moved on? (I will not say, up.)",
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"text": ". . . but then again, I haven't really seen any Superman stuff, I find an invulnerable person that needs Deus ex Machina countermeasures to be boring",
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"text": "Superman is plenty silly, but dont blame Fritz for it",
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"text": "up, up and away it has moved!",
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"text": "for instance, does Superman use NFP?",
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"text": "There is no fore or after in TNET, all things have been, are and will be...so post about NFP if you will",
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"text": "maybe those tights just reduce his motility so he has no need of NFP",
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"text": "Hold on, since Superman is an alien, not actually human, is Lois Lane engaging in that worst of unnatural sins?",
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"text": "I suppose the comparison would involve considering whether or not the generation of hybrids like mules would be against nature.",
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"text": "no tights though",
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"text": "So Mr. Escalante, can a man wear tights as a way of regulating the number of children",
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"text": "so lugging the Latin Liguori (I love alliteration) wasn't geeky enough?",
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"text": "in principle yes, Joshua",
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"text": "Franklin--I wonder what you mean when you say that lying is \"virtually intrinsic to our nature as political animals.\" No matter how common it is to lie, it remains unnatural to do so. It is likewise unnatural to use artificial birth control even if it is commonly used.",
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"text": "oh you're asking whether its licit",
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"text": "I don't think so, for wearing tights is analogous to barrier....",
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"text": "if it doesnt interfere with the act, why not?",
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"text": "It would depend on intention. Why are you wearing tights?",
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"text": "Edward, Superman (minus all the disgusting deviancy in the movies) can be useful for explaining two of the properties of the resurrected body; impassibility and agility. ",
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"text": "and glorious tights",
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"text": "cape would be glory too I guess",
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"text": "glorious gloriful glory?",
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"text": "Just had three bottles of wine show up at my door unexpectedly",
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"text": "I want to hear more about \"occult capitol of the USA\"",
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"text": "So, what I was going to say relating to NFP: first, note that ecological breastfeeding is not 100% effective as birth regulation, but should not be simply dismissed. Women who practice ecological breastfeeding average 14.6 months of suppression of the hormonal cycle. Note also that ecological breastfeeding is NOT simply exclusive breastfeeding, but includes the \"seven standards\".\n1)Exclusive breastfeeding (no other liquid or solid from any other source enters the infant's mouth) for the first six months of life.\n2)Comfort your baby at the breast.\n3)Don't use bottles and pacifiers.\n4)Share sleep with your baby for night feedings.\n5)Share sleep with your baby for daily nap feedings.\n6)Nurse frequently day and night and avoid schedules.\n7)Avoid any practice that restricts nursing or separates you from your baby.",
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"text": "Be quiet, Jason, I'm talking. ",
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"text": "hahaha yes ma'am",
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"text": "That said, not all women have the same suppression of fertility. (Like many of my relations.) But that doesn't mean that we automatically have to presume the need for NFP for anyone who doesn't have the more average spacing.",
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"text": "JA, google \"Ojai\" it is a self-applied label",
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"text": "really? I think this is something Ghost Hunter guy came up with to boost book sales",
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"text": "TAC : Ojai area :: the Promised Land : surrounding countries",
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"text": "What does your bride think of that, Edward?",
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"text": "a few hippies with spirit catcher macrames do not an occult capitol make",
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"text": "Wendy Irene, I think Bernadette has learned to ignore my comments about CA.",
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"text": "I told my kids that TAC was Hogwarts, but with a more outdated doctrine of physics",
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"text": "Perfection on that level is dull, though, and Ojai (pronounced \"oh-high,\" by the way) delivers on the quirky front, too. The Ojai Valley, you see, has long drawn people yearning to go deep. \"The magnetic center of the earth is here,\" the Los Angeles Times wrote in 1878. \"Spirit-minded people come to reach the God centers in themselves.\" A partial list of the groups that have called it home: Church of Tzaddi, Life Divine Center, Sufi Order, Vortex Institute, Science of the Mind, Siddha Yoga Dham, ECKANKAR, Church Universal and Triumphant, Sathya Sai Baba. On top of that, you have a layer of hippies and artists; ceramist Beatrice Wood\u2014often called the Mama of Dada\u2014lived in Ojai, where she was a follower of resident Jiddu Krishnamurti, thought by some to be the next messiah. Krishnamurti, with Aldous Huxley and others, founded the Happy Valley School here in 1946 (it's one of at least 20 private schools in the area). Then there's a thin layer of celebrity frosting. Anthony Hopkins, Bill Paxton, Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche all have houses here.",
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"text": "It's the Hipster-physics, JA. When Aristotelianism is in, we'll be able to go around telling people that we were Aristotelians before Aristotle was a thing.",
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"text": "that species of Aristotelianism might not ever be back in; recourse to angels as the motive force behind baseballs is done for I think",
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"text": "Ojai is a nexus of Wicca, and that sometimes leads to darker practices... in all seriousness my maternal uncle was a warlock in Ojai, did some dark stuff... he renounced it as the last act he did before dying. Was in a coma, woke up, renounced it, and then went back into the coma and died. It was a very surreal experience",
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"text": "I dunno, it probably is true in some way.",
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"text": "define \"some\"",
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"text": "<<<5)Share sleep with your baby for daily nap feedings.\n6)Nurse frequently day and night and avoid schedules.\n7)Avoid any practice that restricts nursing or separates you from your baby.>>>These three in particular are hilariously impractical for mothers of more than one child",
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"text": "Maybe what newton means by inertia is really angels being kept busy ?",
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"text": "gentlemen we need to step back at this point",
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"text": "and allow this matriarchomachy plenty of room",
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"text": "yeah the dryer is probably done.... no rest for the wicked....",
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"text": "It's starting to sound like the reports of Ms. Zedlick's class on that part of the Politics where Aristotle talks about women. (which, incidentally, was the only class that semester I missed accidentally)",
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"text": "Yes, I know what you mean, Samantha. I have four! But just because it doesn't work for some people doesn't mean we should disregard it for everybody. And in fact, for some the nap is not necessary for suppression of fertility. (I don't regularly nap with my children, but my children are about 2 years apart, just because I largely ecologically breastfeed -- and because I got the genes from my mom's side and not my dad's side -- many of my aunts and cousins have far less suppression of fertility from breastfeeding.)",
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"text": "Sure, it works for some people, I'll happily grant that.",
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"text": "If those practicing ecological breastfeeding average 14.6 months of suppression of the hormonal cycle, then children would be naturally spaced 23.6 months apart--roughly two years. Looks like nature has a pretty good system in place.",
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"text": "That's average. As I said, some people don't have that long of spacing (and some have more!)",
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"text": "Got it. But it establishes a kind of norm whereby nature spaces children.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "I don't think it's The Occult Capitol, but Ojai is a pretty legit doorway to the spirit world.\nMorgan I Branch: thoughts?",
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"text": "Since whatever happens always or for the most part cannot be by chance, it is correct to say that breastfeeding is nature's way to space children. Exceptions do not undermine that principle.",
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"text": "Let me say that I think there are many good potential reasons for NFP, and that certainty that, for example, another pregnancy would be way too exhausting for the mother can be one such reason. I also think that the decision belongs to the couple, precisely because it's a prudential decision, and prudential decisions are about particulars, and so the people who best know the particulars are the ones who makes the decision. It's like the decision to go to war: the decisions belongs to the president, because he's the one who best knows the particulars.\nBUT some confuse \"having the responsibility for the decision\" with \"not being able to get the decision wrong\". The president is the only one to whom the decision to go to war belongs: but he can make a mistake, and it's the duty of others to think about what sort of things make war justified AND whether in a particular case those conditions prevail, so that they can help the president make the decision.\nThere is a school of thought about NFP that the couple makes the decision and no one can have any opinion about whether certain kinds of reasons for that decision are valid. This doesn't square with what we've heard from the Church (which speaks of \"grave\", \"just\", \"serious\" reasons needed for NFP.",
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"text": "Agreed on NFP. It is the couple's decision, but they can err. (On the analogy to war, for the American regime it is Congress that is supposed to make the declaration . . . perhaps a foolish constitutional principle given your correct account of prudence.)",
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"text": "Andrews Sure anyone can err. But it's not our place to pass judgment on anyone else's motives. And it's pretty darn hard to come up with a universal list of acceptable reasons.",
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"text": "Be careful not to pass judgment on people you think may be passing judgment on anyone else's motives.",
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"text": "Hi, Bekah! \nBut, passing judgment on an individual's motives is not the same thing as saying \"X kind of motive is (or isn't) a valid reason for NFP.",
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"text": "Exactly, especially since the Church has done exactly that, and done so for our own good.",
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"text": "Sorry, when has the Church done that?",
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"text": "What motives have been called out as invalid?",
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"text": "Just as saying murder is wrong is not the same as saying that some individual person committed a mortal sin when they killed someone. Perhaps they had invincible ignorance on the subject. I don't judge their soul, but I do judge that the act of murder is in itself evil.",
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"text": "Well, right here, I was making an argument for it being OK to even start talking about valid or invalid motives.",
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"text": "We do need to be careful that in avoiding \"judging\" we don't avoid developing prudence! \"NFP should be used for serious reasons.\" \"What are serious reasons\" \"Whatever you think they are, of course after considered thought\" \"But how can I have considered thought if no one will discuss it for fear of judging motives?\"",
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"text": "Grave, just and serious reasons, as Wendy cited above.",
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"text": "So, what are grave just and serious reasons? That's pretty non-specific",
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"text": "Right: but does it need to be all three (grave, just, and serious) too, like my need to save up for a water jet pack before we conceive our next child?",
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"text": "I'd agree, Samantha, that that's not a specific list of motives! But it does give us some parameters (rather as just war theory does).",
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"text": "I guess, except without anything more specific it's hard to know what a \"just\" reason might be.",
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"text": "The wonderful thing about it is that it is a rough and ready rule with built in parameters.\nMost people won't abstain for the sake of a water jet pack.\nMost people.",
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"text": "That's what we're supposed to figure out, right?",
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"text": "I'd say that justice, gravity and seriousness are all about proportion. You need a proportionate reason to practice NFP. Proportionate to what? To the suspension of the ordinary practice of a vocation to which you've vowed your whole self.",
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"text": "I've heard lots of people talk about their (to me seemingly) not so grave reasons and they often end up with child anyhow.\nAnd none of them have water jet packs.",
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"text": "Yes...and while I think it",
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"text": "just or grave are very different things...I don't think one can avoid children for merely a \"just cause\" I think it must be grave. Spacing, perhaps, requires less justification.",
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"text": "Wendy-- i liked your last because I think it's very well put, not because I'm sure I agree with it.",
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"text": "\"justis causis\" is one of the phrases used, as I remember. But since it's proportional, in this case (where we're talking about major matter, the suspension the ordinary practice of a vowed vocation) a \"just\" reason will also be a \"grave\" reason. My child's jumping on the table during dinner is a \"just\" reason for sending him to his room, but not a \"just\" reason for my chopping his head off. ",
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"text": "Samantha, looks like we both have over-active enter buttons. ",
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"text": "yep",
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"text": "So, might another way of putting it be that a just reason would need to be proportionate to the sacrifice involved in periodic abstinence? Or do you mean something else?",
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"text": "Andrews But that's the thing. If I think it's irresponsible to have a child while living on state aid, or without health insurance....ok fine. I will avoid pregnancy. But I can't say anyone else is wrong for getting pregnant while using food stamps. That's their conscience. Everyone likes to throw out vacations or toys as poor reasons to avoid, but let's be honest here, that's not the motivations for those using nfp. Seriously, if it was about material possessions they're not going to use nfp. Those Catholics who use nfp are doing so as part of their path to sanctity. And I don't see how anyone can come up with a universal list of right and wrong reasons. Because what is just to my family isn't necessarily just to the next.",
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"text": "Andrews Just cause is good enough for the Vatican.....so it's good enough for me.",
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"text": "Andrews What is owed. What I owe my husband and what I owe my children.",
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"text": "I think that, on balance, it means what most people willing to abstain rather than have sex think and say it means.",
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"text": "Andrews And that's where God will guide families if different ways. So will be called to homeschool, some will be called to have children closely spaces, it's going to vary. And that is unique to each family.",
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"text": "Article. II.\nSection. 1.\nThe executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows\nEach State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.\nThe Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.\nThe Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.\nNo Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.\nIn Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.\nThe President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.\nBefore he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:\u2014\"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.\"",
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"text": "Bekah, how about if I say that what is owed one's husband is that you engage in the ordinary practice of marriage -- which is uniting in the marital embrace when the couple feels the attractive for it..",
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"text": "It's OK to suspend that ordinary practice when grave reasons intervene (such as being in a public place, for instance.)",
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"text": "mutatis mutandis ",
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"text": "Andrews Exactly Matthew. I really think it's ok for even academics to admit there isn't a universal answer here. The Church has been very careful to not make a list here. Not to make our lives harder but because there aren't universals when it comes to what is just to a unique family.",
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"text": "Andrews Right John Kunz. I was answering for myself, but absolutely the husband must be willing to die to self for the good of his wife and children.",
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"text": "Mutadis mutandis my footnis. It's a fair distinction... I don't think NFp is always looked at from both the view of responsibility AND love... And it goes both ways... Not just forcing the dude to hold off...",
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"text": "Bekah, I don't see how what you say actually contradicts what I tried to say above. I agree that couples will have varying circumstances (in a similar way that different Presidents have different circumstances where they have to decide whether to go to war.) But that's not the same as saying, \"anything the couple really wants to abstain for is OK.\" That wasn't what the Church said.",
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"text": "Andrews The thing is Wendy Irene, I think I owe my husband more than just sex when we feel like it. I owe him a healthy wife. A happy home and most importantly, children raised well, educated well and safe and secure in their families foundation. So what is just to my husband is what is just to my children, since that is the end of marriage. And often, what is just is to say no to self and yes to the good of the family.",
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"text": "does any one else feel the need to throw in a Metallica\u2122 song?",
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"text": "I was hoping for blue oyster cult.. I was feeling the need for cowbell",
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"text": "The reason circumstances are important, morally speaking, is not because they make the act not fall under a universal but because they make the act fall under a different universal.",
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"text": "Andrews anything the couple really wants to abstain for is OK\n***********************************************************\nI see this a lot in NFP discussions, the hypothetical couple who's abstaining for a jetpack. Well not hypothetical anymore \nAnyway, NFP is self correcting that way. If it's a greater good than coming together as spouses, they'll continue to abstian. Otherwise, the perceived good will fade and things will rightly correct themselves. And, I think we'd all be hard pressed to find the couple who is using NFP, a self denial in and of itself, for selfish reasons.",
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"text": "For example having marital relations with your wife is just having marital relations. Having marital relations with someone else is adultery.",
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"text": "Andrews But I can't Peterson....link broken,",
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"text": "Peterson, I used to think Pope Bonbon was obsessed, but you're giving him a run for the money",
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"text": "I'm going to push this, Bekah, not because I think you hold the following position, but because I'm wondering how, in what manner, you'd draw the line. Why would you tell a couple that they can't use NFP so they can save for a jetpack? You can't see into their hearts...perhaps it would satisfy some deep longing, and make them (say, the man, Matthew J. Peterson ) really happy, and so a better father. How do you make the argument that they shouldn't use NFP for that reason?",
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"text": "Andrews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZGKI8vpcg\nFonzie Jumps the Shark on Happy Days (Episode 5.3) 1977\nEver hear someone say that a tv show \"jumped the...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "@bekah http://youtu.be/9dghbyBaQyI\nRubber sharks can't beat Batman!\nRubber sharks can't beat Batman!\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Andrews I can't. I wouldn't. That's the couple and God and their spiritual adviser to determine. It would have to do with their motivations and I don't know those. That's why I think the whole concept of trying to pin down who can use NFP and when isn't healthy.",
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"text": "There is nothing that makes me feeler closer to Christ that being lectured about the merits of various reasons for abstention. \"Blessed art those who have carefully vetted their excuses for not getting busy\" should have been one of the beatitudes.",
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"text": "See, I think you're confounding two things: the kind, the sort, of reasons which make it OK to do something, and the motivations of some individual person and the guilt they incur or do not incur thereby.",
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"text": "The more speculative lectures are generally either for those who already have determined to abide by the Church's teachings or for preachers/confessors to take into account when thy use rhetoric to convert people.",
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"text": "No, it seems to me that you're confounding the judgment about a particular person with the universal judgment of an act in specified circumstances.",
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"text": "It's perfectly licit _with a grave reason_. It's our responsibility to understand what that means.",
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"text": "But you're adding the claim that since a particular couple can't be judged, we can't judge universally whether a certain kind of circumstance is sufficient to justify NFP",
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"text": "Anyhow, like I was trying to say - THANK YOU, Wendy Irene! - I'm pretttty sure a water jet pack right now, today, would deeply satisfy the longings of my soul and make me a better person.\nIt's virtually self-evident:\nhttp://youtu.be/zsrciLXhqRo\nJetlev-Flyer 2014 Official Video\nJetlev-Flyer.com Germany is proud to present the most powerful out of carbon fibre made JF-260 ever. The lifting...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Andrews I'm saying there is no universal here. There will always be particular circumstances and there will never be universal circumstances by which we can draw conclusions.",
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"text": "Love & responsibility page 28: interact with others as they have their own ends, not a means to an end. \n\"Don't \"beatitudenally get busy\" just for your own kicks, and dont get knocked up all by itself and do so skipping that the other has their own ends also\"",
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"text": "But that's always true, of every single moral act (including murder).",
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"text": "TAC grads spend a ton of time talking about how smart they are. Which is why this thread has almost 10,000 comments. I just enjoy tweaking you.",
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"text": "like I said, a shot across the bow. I don't take it personally. but I don't think anyone is \"talking about how smart they are\"",
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"text": "more like TAC grads spend a lot of time talking....",
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"text": "it was a reaction to your prodding... but a couple of comments out of 9000 don't mean a whole lot",
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"text": "May I refer you to the post that sits at the top of this thread.",
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"text": "I was grasping at Roman-sounding names. \"Kestrel Athenasius\"?",
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"text": "The average american male is 5'11\" therefore, how tall am I?",
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"text": "Above, please replace \"less-than stellar SAT scores\" with \"on average, very unimpressive SAT scores.\"",
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"text": "Yeah. It's top of the bottom half of the first 100 national liberal arts schools stuff. Not terrible, but not super impressive. If those scores impress you.",
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"text": "Owen White - granted, within great books circles TACers are more than fair game.",
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"text": "So now you see why I take comfort in what we did get, which is lots of Aristotle and Aquinas.",
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"text": "Matthew, that may be true. But I think that would be an exception for most degree fields.",
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"text": "The sense I have from recent news articles, Samantha, is that attending an Ivy League college generally means crushing debt for the next ten or twenty years",
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"text": "No, not at all. It is based on rank and prestige. Most TAC grads have no idea how it works.\nThe top schools get you the best jobs. Outside of them, you are outside looking in.\nIt is ONLY because of their degrees. The top tier national liberal arts colleges place their graduates at the top elite positions in the world.",
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"text": "I watched them do it! Then I watched them come back for reunions with their billions and billions of dollars",
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"text": "I don't need articles. I live it and see it from a variety of angles.\nThe top schools function as a filtering system for the top positions in American life.\nThese kids have parents who know this and have striven for years to make sure their kids become players in this system. That's why they freak out over getting their kid accepted into the right preschool - you think they're just nuts? No, they know how this world works.\nTAC is like the Shire in all this.",
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"text": "Yes, TNET is our great consolation. Also the Thomas and the Aristotle",
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"text": "http://www.forbes.com/.../college-admission-officer...\nWhere You Go To College Doesn't Matter\nIt's what you do when you get there that counts.\nFORBES.COM|BY JOIE JAGER-HYMAN",
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"text": "Also, these kids are all very smaht but also the perfect employees. They can set meetings at 14, etc.\nStill, some TACers could do the same and we could much better on these fronts but we are so clueless it makes me sick to my stomach.",
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"text": "I'm telling you, I've watched this happen with my mouth hanging open in shock at the injustice of it all",
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"text": "In most of those cases?",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman: come to CMC and we'll go to the career office together?\nDid you not hear me? Some businesses only interview at certain schools. There are hedge funds that only hire from one or two ivies. Look at the facts re where graduates from top tier schools go.\nDo you think a TAC grad has a prayer at working for Google or Goldman?",
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"text": "It's not anyone here's fault, but the fact this is even a convo is disheartening and sad to me. Again, it's no one's fault. But TAC isn't even in the game. Let's hope that's for the best.",
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"text": "nice articles. Would you publish articles on how to become a member of little plutocracy?",
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"text": "Not sure if it's TAC completely or the liberal arts degree as a rule. I do think the degree you get is part of the job game too.",
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"text": "I think as a rule employers don't see the liberal arts degree as anything \"marketable.\" On the other hand, if you have a B.A in Computer Science or an MBA, that makes more of a difference. So it isn't solely the college you go to, it's also the degree you have.",
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"text": "Go look up the facts on where cabinet members and presidents and senators often come from. Tiny handful of schools, eh?",
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"text": "Because if it were the degree, then the people hiring would be very foolish, because they almost certainly could get someone just as good or almost for less money.",
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"text": "You know, I was never once upset with The Peregrine in all his Dragon level trolling. But you have, for the very first time in all this thread, trolled me emotionally.\nAnd for that you deserve an award.",
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"text": "Article III.\nSection. 1.\nThe judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.\nSection. 2.\nThe judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;\u2014to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;\u2014to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;\u2014to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;\u2014to Controversies between two or more States;\u2014 between a State and Citizens of another State,\u2014between Citizens of different States,\u2014between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.\nIn all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.\nThe Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.\nSection. 3.\nTreason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.\nThe Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.",
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"text": "\"In general, engineering schools produced the best starting salaries, and represented eight out of the top 10 schools in starting salary. On the other hand, Ivy League Schools are the best bet for mid-career pay, with five out of the top 10.\"\nAND THIS IS BACHELORS ONLY",
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"text": "or off the fucking rails",
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"text": "\"It is a lot easier to go inside the house through the front door\"\n\"what do you mean!! I can climb on the roof and go through a window!!!\"",
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"text": "-\nMatthew J. Peterson,\nI'm glad a TAC degree doesn't lend itself to worldly success. In fact I'm rather sorry the school was accredited.\nOther than being able to making a living wage, why do you care.",
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"text": "could it be...... could it be the troll we all know and love?",
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"text": "Franklin: So what \"type\" of kids are now applying to TAC?",
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"text": "And if you really want a get rich scheme, I think the oil business in the Dakotas is the place to be.",
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"text": "I sense that the Peregrine might be ready to make a reappearance. From the ashes, the Peregrine arises...much like the Phoenix of old.",
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"text": "--\nMegan Baird,\nPerhaps it would have been better to say that not being accredited acted as a filter.",
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"text": "I'm curious - what type of students do you think TAC is attracting now?",
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"text": "come on, Matthew J. Peterson, what else do you have to do on a Saturday night? Save up for a jet pack?",
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"text": "My wife and kids are out of town, so...",
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"text": "Will The PEREGRINE RETURN?",
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"text": "TNET 10000",
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"text": "I will stay up as long as it takes to see this thread reach 10000.",
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"text": "you know. He could be out for revenge. . . .",
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"text": ". . . AND GET TNET shut down. . . .",
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"text": ". . . .troll trolling punk?",
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"text": "\"now was that 5 comments, or 6? to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I've forgotten myself\"",
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"text": "\"Make my day.\"",
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"text": "THE PEREGRINE RETURNS",
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"text": "But what The Peregrine espoused, you believe, correct?",
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"text": "You're back!! Our substitute troll was mean, and he lacked commitment.",
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"text": "Do I totally espouse the beliefs of the Peregrine? Not totally, no. And not his \"personality\" totally, either. He would frequently say things like \"do not put words in my mouth.\" He is a pen name: a true converso to the Catholic Faith, still angry that some Romans from the IVth crusade sacked hotel rooms in Byzantium. Thank you for asking. Any more questions? Any political questions? Any question is okay with me.",
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"text": "Some can, to some degree. But many don't want to or have no idea what the terrain looks like.\nThe good news is we could, I think, relatively easily propel up multiple levels in ranking and in terms of job placement if we had the will and the resources.",
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"text": "But grads don't seem to care. What they do after really depends on what they know or is expected from their families, and TAC does nothing to encourage or assist those who are unaware of what they could do.",
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"text": "Agreed, Samantha. TAC definitely needs to help students develop more acceptable academic papers. The writing preceptorial/lessons aren't sufficient. And we need to write more. I was not remotely prepared for the amount of writing I needed to do in grad school.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: nothing I've said involves changing the program at all.",
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"text": "I have no problem with changing the program--even if that wasn't your focus. I do wonder, however, what it is you're looking for. Fame, glory, influence, wealth, prestige?",
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"text": "Excellence.",
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"text": "I'm talking about worldly success here, is what I'm talking about.",
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"text": "Arete. Do you really think the Ivy League can give that?",
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"text": "Ar\u00eate\nSee Translation",
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"text": "What is worldly success?",
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"text": "But seriously, what about influence within the culture?",
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"text": "You have to have what the culture doesn't have to have meaningful influence within the culture.",
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"text": "That's true. I'm not saying TAC should become the Ivy Leagues",
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"text": "Without true arete, you will not change the culture; it will change you.",
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"text": "Mainstream academia is, for the most part, a joke.",
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"text": "I'm saying, if some of our graduates want to get PhDs in philosophy that might ever land them tenure track jobs, they need more help than TAC is going to get them",
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"text": "I never said the Ivy League can give that.\nIt does practically, however, as people are often pushed to do their best. We need more of that spirit.\nWe have people who are working crap jobs who could be doing much more - for themselves, their families, and the world.\nWe could be in the world at work, not self-consigned to some ghetto.\nWe could be starting our students out light years above where they are now, setting them up better for life, giving them the opportunity to excel at what they are best at.\nInstead - well, it is shameful to me.",
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"text": "I think you can be a part of the culture without being absorbed by it. I did feel, as much as I loved TAC, that it was lacking a little in practical skills. For example, the writing aspect at the college didn't really prepare me for what I faced at graduate school. I don't recommend changing the program - i wouldn't want the school to lose its identity - but maybe tweaking some elements to better prepare students for graduate studies.",
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"text": "Of course, I could be totally off-base in my recommendations...",
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"text": "The writing program is very weak, but it should not be oriented to writing better graduate school papers.",
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"text": "These student need jobs! They have a great education that could easily get them more than it does.",
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"text": "And if you want to tell a bunch of kids that studying theology and metaphysics is the highest and best thing you can do, great. But then not to consider it your job as a institution to help them out at all along that career path? That's ridiculous.",
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"text": "This is a solvable problem without \"selling out.\"",
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"text": "No, that is not the school's job; and were they to make it their job, they would be sending a contradictory message to the students.",
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"text": "One has to desire the education for its own sake if it is to be of any real value. As soon as you start looking at it instrumentally, it's all over.",
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"text": "The fact is, a very small percentage of TACers aspire to continue in philosophy or theology.",
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"text": "Bwhahaha. Well, it's a hard saying for all the people who wander needlessly for years afterwards.",
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"text": "Not all who wander are lost.",
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"text": "I'm not sure what practical help TAC could give for people wanting to get into engineering or law or medicine.",
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"text": "Christendom is more of a writer's college. But I had a boss in DC who tried to destroy my \"career\" because she was an ideologue who opposed what she thought the college's charter meant and stood for. I think Harvard and Princeton and other places would benefit from the TAC alum, but they probably oppose what they think it stands for. That makes it tough. It's very political. You need to be very lucky to make it in this world, especially if you want to dig gold or make wine.",
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"text": "It doesn't have to change one's approach to the education. It just means a number of practical steps and offices set up outside of the education. This ain't rocket science.",
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"text": "The key word is \"outside.\" It cannot be a part of the institution if the institution is to be what it professes to be.",
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"text": "Well, I think the idea that the institution can teach impressionable youth and then take no responsibility for the context in which they teach them a bit much.\nThe truth is, we are all so ignorant of what these steps are it is really and truly shameful. There is no will or understanding of the world in which we live.\nAnd this is why we fail.\nBut it is early on.",
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"text": "If I understand the argument, it sounds like rubbish to me. Having a career placement office on the campus (and a sector of that devoted to those who want advanced degrees) wouldn't compromise anything that TAC is doing.",
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"text": "The point is to perfect the intellect. To gain a treasure that one can carry away in a shipwreck. Then, if one wants a different kind of treasure, one can seek it. But to mix the two would be to destroy the true treasure.",
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"text": "What is needed is the creation of a strategy consulting firm that specializes in systems engineering, analysis (quantitative and qualitative), LEAN/agile process improvement and implementing best practices. If you hired folk from programs like tac you would have the right skillset for such diverse analytical work",
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"text": "These students are capable of competing. They do so Anyhow, on their own!",
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"text": "Exactly. So why the worry?",
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"text": "Conforming to the neg-otium or a-scholia of the world has in part ruined the universities.",
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"text": "Engineering students are mostly incapable of seeing the big picture, acting as a consultant to engineers is a great business",
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"text": "Gown cannot be town and still be gown.",
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"text": "Would it be a G\u00f6tzend\u00e4mmerung to have a person on campus devoted to preparing those for the GRE who want to take it?",
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"text": "One can buy a prep book. No need to further lower tutor salaries to pay someone to read a prep book to the students.",
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"text": "WHY HELP STUDENTS OBTAIN BETTER AND STABLE EMPLOYMENT?!?",
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"text": "It is accidental to the real work.",
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"text": "WHat? What contradictory message would they send?",
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"text": "I offered to be at the career day a few years ago but mark never got me on the list.",
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"text": "Let them go to graduate school and suffer for years because they have no idea of very basic information that could help them and their large families in a real sense for the rest of their lives.",
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"text": "The education is not ordered to success in the world.",
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"text": "That is a straw man, Matthew.",
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"text": "It doesn't have to be ordered to it for the school to acknowledge that it plays some part in their graduate's future happiness",
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"text": "By your argument any sort of institutional career support would be a betrayal of the college's ethos",
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"text": "Unless you want students to be successful and donate back to the college...",
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"text": "The contradiction is this: You cannot genuinely present yourself as a liberal arts institution and at the same time orient toward worldly success.",
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"text": "You're right. They should do nothing practical for their graduates.\nThe funny thing is, there is no classical school ever that did such a thing to its students.",
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"text": "That's rubbish. William & Mary. Washington & Lee. Colby. Plenty of schools do it.",
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"text": "TAC is in NO danger of doing that. They could pay a lot, lot more attention to the practical and still not be \"oriented toward worldly success\"",
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"text": "You seem to be saying that TAC is such a school.",
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"text": "William and Mary does not provide a liberal arts education, despite their propaganda.",
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"text": "The medieval degrees were all part of practical jobs one could get after. The ancient and other sorts were for those with the wealth and connections for after.",
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"text": "St. John's College in Annapolis.",
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"text": "The school just doesn't know how to practically apply to real work",
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"text": "The way it seems to me we have a too easy time of conforming. Not conforming is harder. That' s my experience.",
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"text": "^^not relevant^^",
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"text": "I'll say it one more time: you don't have to change the educational program one bit to take steps to help students get jobs (and assist in the success of the college as well.)",
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"text": "And they do not have a separately funded office that understands business enough on how to apply to the current challenges in the business world",
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"text": "I think you are mistaken. You would have to change the orientation even if you changed nothing formally in the curriculum.",
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"text": "Where did you go to school Jeffrey? With whom did you study? How did this lead to your own success?",
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"text": "What success?",
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"text": "Jeffrey-- do you oppose TAC grads attempting to get jobs? Would this be a betrayal of their devotion to knowledge per se?",
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"text": "Not at all.",
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"text": "Which Jeffrey?",
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"text": "Using the distinction between practical and speculative to dodge the issue is the usual game, and tiresome.\nThere is no example of this in medieval history. St. Thomas Aquinas did not teach in this kind of absurd context, not did Aristotle.\nIt is a load of crap.",
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"text": "Which what?",
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"text": "The one who is saying nonsense stuff. Not you Jeff Neill.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "What is success?",
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"text": "If graduates are allowed to be concerned about their job prospects after graduation, why should the college not be allowed to be so, to some moderate degree?",
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"text": "We were not talking about medieval history.",
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"text": "I withdraw the question about success. I'm just curious about where you went to school and with whom you studied. I seem to recall that you took a different path than the one you're proposing for the youth.",
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"text": "The medieval institutions were degree mills for people going into medicine, law, and the Church. The Church was one of the largest employers around.\nSo you tell me, Jeffrey Bond: that practically orientated context produced St. Thomas Aquinas and his textbook.\nWhy can't our graduates get institutional help to continue on practically?",
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"text": "B.A. from Kenyon College. M.A. and Ph.D. from the University of Chicago. Never took a different path than the one I am proposing.",
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"text": "We are talking about a liberal arts college, not medical school or law school.",
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"text": "Yes, and?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "TAC is not \"just\" a liberal arts college though.",
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"text": "Like I said, I have no problem discussing changes in the TAC curriculum, but the desire to make the school more oriented to worldly success would destroy it.",
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"text": "You went to Kenyon and the University of Chicago?? You are no longer allowed to talk, sir.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No one is talking about changing its fundamental orientation",
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"text": "I guess it depends how you define success.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "So, are we allowed to have a career office at all? Or only if it remains ineffectual?",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Not being a cradle Catholic, I knew nothing about TAC or what it represented. Thankfully there was still a shadow of liberal arts education at Kenyon and the University of Chicago. So I know something of both worlds.",
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"text": "I'm keenly aware of the problems at The Other - but I don't accept the idea that being cognizant and active about these issues means one has to alter one's contemplative orientation. Probably would only sharpen it, given that none of the contemplative authors we read acted in some context less vaccuum I pure contemplation.",
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"text": "That is your straw man representation of my position, but not my position at all.",
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"text": "It is not just a contemplative orientation. It is a complete dedication to perfecting the intellect quite apart from any practical gain that comes from that. As it turns out, such an education has tremendous practical consequences. But once you begin to make that your goal, liberal education will die.",
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"text": "The problem is the skillset taught is directly applicable to a number of jobs but either the school is unaware how to market to fill the void -- I do not believe that the school believes that being practical should never result from the theoretical",
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"text": "It seems to me that a stronger Thomas Aquinas College Alumni Association would be better than a career office",
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"text": "Agreed.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Especially if it involved some kind of nepotistic hiring practices ",
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"text": "The other Jeff seems to say that theoretical would cease if ever steered toward the practical",
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"text": "It would no longer be theoretical by definition.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Many great poets at Kenyon over the years, too.",
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"text": "I would gladly be nepotistic... I'm working on getting to that roll",
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"text": "That's only the case if one tried to be practical and theoretical in one act.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Well personally, I went to TAC because I wanted to make a lot of money. That's why I became a teacher.",
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"text": "As it is, there is not enough time in four years to do what needs to be done in terms of liberal education.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah, graduate degree in philosophy is where the big bucks are.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "TACers are practical enough to aviod gendeer/woman studies degrees, though",
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"text": "Many of you see the institution only from the perspective of a student who leaves wondering how to translate his education into making a living. But to see the institution from the inside is to be acutely aware of how little time there is to do what the school proposes to do.",
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"text": "I think there's a psychological aspect as well. When I got kicked out of TAC a second time (for lack of intelligence and bad manners) it took a while to find a path that was aligned with the good I discovered there. I always just wanted to go back to the Shire. I do not know if this is psychological or because there is no connection between truth and the world. But everyone does find a way. I think there is an integration... a Word becoming flesh kind of thing.",
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"text": "Also, I notice that Scott Weinberg has dragged his new hide back to The Threadness. Is he being nicer now? Will he tolerate some perfectly reasonable and serious questions about didactic poetry once the 67th installment of the discussion on TAC's curriculum is over?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "My choice was between the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester and TAC. I would not trade my education at TAC for anything, but with an eye on my later prospects for a Philosophy Ph.D. and a job, I probably should have gone to Holy Cross.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Yes! And I need to know if free verse is okay.",
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"text": "Well, you have said it all Daniel. Why would you not trade your TAC education for anything? Even for a Ph.D.? But a more practical orientation would not have given you the same education.",
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"text": "The subsequent tension with the world is a sign that the student has been changed, and changed for the better.",
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"text": "A comfortable transition to the world would be deadly, and not even possible if the education has been real.",
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"text": "No. I just wished that someone would have prepared me more for graduate school and given me better advice. Not all of us score perfectly on the GRE and have our pick of Ivy League programs in Philosophy.",
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"text": "There's either a stark oil and water relationship between a TAC formation and some other things, or there's a pending illumination to be discovered. Either/or, it seems to me.",
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"text": "What could someone have done for you? Like Dorothy, you had to find out for yourself.",
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"text": "Nice analogy. You know Oz was a Socialist paradise.",
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"text": "Yes, man crucified on a yellow brick cross of gold.",
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"text": "Which doesn't bother me, of course ...",
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"text": "Speaking of writing, I had dinner at TAC with this guy (I think) http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/about/r-scott-turicchi once. He related to us that his company had once done an essay competition and that the essays of TACers were obviously better than everyone else's",
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"text": "The school should do a lot more writing. When I was there the students wrote only a few papers the entire year.",
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"text": "I dunno about that. Writing takes a lot of time and junior/senior year are pretty time-demanding as it is.",
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"text": "And I found the transition to graduate-level writing to be more a matter of applying myself to actually writing than learning some foreign skill.",
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"text": "(I wouldn't claim, however, that I'm particularly good at it: but neither are most academics nowadays. I know, I edit for an academic journal)",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Some of the articles I used to edit for the Review (and before that for the ACPQ) were atrocious. No, not some: many.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The problem of bad academic writing is real, but I'm talking about the problem TAC grads will have when they send their \"writing samples\" to grad schools.",
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"text": "Were the tutors unwilling to read those samples before you sent them off?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Say more, I wasn't interested in any of the prestigious schools, so I don't have any experience.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The tutor who was isn't there anymore.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But, Ms. Zedlick helped me put alot of work into my writing sample, and I got into both schools I applied to.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "So why not go to a different tutor? I'm not sure I understand the problem?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Were they CUA and Ave?",
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"text": "No, CUA and UST.",
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"name": "Brian Gerrity",
"text": "Couldn't agree more with MJP and Jeff Neill. I've always found some irony in the fact that the college is always quick to point out the success of some of their graduates in their publications as well as the admission office, but do so little to help them take that next step to get there.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The tutors are overburdened already",
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"text": "(which probably explains why I was accepted)",
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"text": "Ok, well both of those are on the short list of places where good TAC students do seem able to get in",
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"text": "And I guess you guys seem to be able to get jobs at other small Catholic schools sometimes. But I'm sure I don't have to tell you its hella rough out there",
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"text": "The sense I have, though, is that that's because fair number of TACers have been through those places and established a relatively good reputation",
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"text": "Unlike Notre Dame which, for some reason, has decided they hate TAC grads.",
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"text": "Unlike Notre Dame where they have apparently barred the gates against us",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Jinx!!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(although we now have Sean Kelsey inside)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I can tell you the reason: NIETO",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Is this just a rumour? Quack thought it was because TACers generally just wanted to teach at TAC.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "that is complete and total nonsense",
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"text": "Lol",
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"text": "Mark Kretchmer does the best he can with what he has. The main problem is a tutor culture that doesn't see this as their job ever in any way shape or form and are almost all ignorant of how the system works.\nWe will continue to do better as we pump out more alumni and we do much better than many might expect.",
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"text": "This is true. The tutors also by and large have no idea how to write letters of recommendation",
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"text": "As someone who worked for the school for a few years I can tell you that Mark is completely overburdened, also has no direct experience with academia on the whole.",
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"text": "\"You accepted so-and-so and gave him money and this dude is just as good as he was, so you should give him money too\"",
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"text": "But mostly, letters from people who have no connections are pretty much useless",
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"text": "Of course he is. They overburden all the \"practical people.\"",
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"text": "Like Tom Dillon.",
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"text": "Once I obtained the degree in December, I've taught at some fair to decent schools and now a shmancy one. I love Claremont McKenna.\nI'll likely never be hired there tenure track, because of my pedigree and the fact that these place don't eat their own like as opposed to---",
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"text": "When I was applying to grad school, I was given information about ITI and Ave and that's it. I did 100% of the leg work myself. I got a lot of helpful advice from some of the younger tutors about what TAC would NOT be able to do for me.",
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"text": "Writing is a good way to discover what's in your soul. The Logos is more than Reason. One of the things I've noticed is Christendom grads have this inescapable grasp of Christ, Logos, in His Church. I'm not saying writing is the answer, but I do think what TAC proposes is what I wished Christendom had much more of, because Reason is the material spouse of Logos, so to speak. I do not understand why TAC expels great future poets and statesmen because they aren't intelligent enough to do Euclid, or patient enough to everything becoming clear later on. Intelligence is broader than that. But, alas, I am biased. At least I am cheering for the Logos!",
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"text": "And I don't mean that ironically, it actually was helpful",
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"text": "Boston College is another one that seems relatively open to TACers.",
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"text": "As a graduate student working at the college I got some very helpful opinions from some tutors about publishing and networking with other professors that I might be doing doctoral studies with it was actually pretty helpful. It helps a lot that I had a pretty distinct idea of what I was interested in studying and lots of motivation (bugging them lol)",
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"text": "But with some time and effort publishing, I think I have a decent shot at a lot more than the small circle of usual suspects. But this is largely because I naturally have some skills already (and I don't have other skills that others do have) and that I've developed on my own over many years of learning the score the hard way.\nGetting a tenure track job is harder these days than getting an entertainment deal done.",
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"text": "and they even give credit for studying with Duane Berquist.",
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"text": "Let's write a movie about this. I know a great producer.",
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"text": "So is the problem just that tutors don't care about helping students get into graduate school by writing letters of recommendation for them? Is the problem that the students have to do all the work when it comes to where they go next?",
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"text": "All of the above.",
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"text": "And, it's kinda funny, Chris Decaen's two articles for the Thomist seem pretty widely read in Catholic philosophy circles.",
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"text": "and more.",
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"text": "What's the more? Because at every institution the students have to find the professors who will help them to the next level. That is the nature of the beast.",
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"text": "The students should do most of them work, but I think the college should provide in assist in getting them on the right path.",
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"text": "I think the real problem is that TAC is well established in the Catholic circles but isn't old enough to have a strong reputation outside of those circles.",
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"text": "Who was it that sued mitre dame law for anti des rumination whan they discovered that he was from South Africa and was white skinned? It made some news back in the day.",
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"text": "I think the issue is the curriculum is too difficult in some areas, and needs a tad more of the easier, more important stuff... in my unbiased opinion.",
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"text": "Sorry iphone",
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"text": "Ray Tittman, I believe.",
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"text": "The deeper problem here, I think, is a cartoon understanding of practical and speculative and a deep rooted insecurity and lack of excellence that prevents hiring tutors who would be able to tutor well and retain connection to the \"outside.\"",
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"text": "So, if you're looking into prestigious Catholic institutions, you should be OK. (except Notre Dame) But we still need to make an impression on the larger academic world.",
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"text": "What are the other prestigious Catholic institutions?",
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"text": "Logos.",
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"text": "PhD granting, I mean",
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"text": "^lol Samantha",
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"text": "Wippel is basically the master of living Thomists",
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"text": "What is the non-cartoon understanding that you propose, Matthew? What is excellence according to this model?",
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"text": "And Noone is ridiculously well connected",
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"text": "The Institute of Phenomenology in Lichtenstein. jk",
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"text": "Msgr. Sokolowski is Msgr. Catholic Phenomenology",
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"text": "We might have different definitions of prestigious.",
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"text": "The root problem to my mind is speculative: I think there is a problematic disdain for and unnatural separation of practical and speculative lurking about.\nBut you combine this with lack of competition and insular enclavism and no requirements for tutors to do much of anything besides seminar style classes and you stagnate.",
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"text": "I meant \"prestigious qua Catholic\"",
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"text": "But if CUA places its grads in tenure track jobs then more power to them",
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"text": "The idea that you can't tutor well and write a few articles and books now and then as well is absurd. The two things can and should inform each other.",
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"text": "Does it?",
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"text": "http://philosophy.cua.edu/placement.cfm\nJob Placement\nThe majority of our Ph.D. graduates have gone on to tenure-track or permanent* positions at the post-secondary level, in the U.S. and abroad. Of those who have not, some have chosen to engage in work outside of academia (e.g., in medicine, in music, as a member of a religious order), and some have c\u2026\nPHILOSOPHY.CUA.EDU\nAugust 30 at 8:30pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley \"The majority of our Ph.D. graduates have gone on to tenure-track or permanent* positions at the post-secondary level, in the U.S. and abroad. Of those who have not, some have chosen to engage in work outside of academia (e.g., in medicine, in music, as a member of a religious order), and some have chosen to conduct their searches only in very restricted geographical areas. Thus, graduates of our program who engage in unrestricted job searches have excellent chances of finding a position teaching philosophy in a college or university. Most do so in four-year Catholic colleges or seminaries; some do so in Ph.D.-granting institutions or non-Catholic colleges.\"",
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"text": "So what would be changed to right the ship of speculation/practice?",
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"text": "I think Loyola Marymount has some great philosophy people. Eric Perl. Gretchen Gusich, others.",
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"text": "Phenomenology does an end run around the moderns, but you need Christian philosophy to intregrate it with classical Aristhomism.",
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"text": "What about recently? I mean, since the market tanked?",
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"text": "Since 2009?",
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"text": "Write some articles and books? Fine. But how does that change the relationship of theory and practice?",
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"text": "They need to attract and hire better tutors, and keep them there. They need to let a bit of air out the chimney to keep the fire going.",
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"text": "That's dated 2010, I'm not sure about recently",
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"text": "Christendom College has a prestigious online MA program in theology.",
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"text": "But it's counting placement since 1991",
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"text": "New Scott is hilarious.",
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"text": "I don't know the answer to that question, Samantha, TBH. Edward is more in the thick of things right now. I would say that if you want to do MEDIEVAL philosophy, and specifically Neoplatonism, you could do worse than study with Stephen Gersh at Notre Dame.",
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"text": "I like him better than old Scott.",
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"text": "Yeah, sure, Notre Dame. But they don't take us.",
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"text": "Not the Philosophy department, but the Medieval Institute.",
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"text": "Better tutors--who could disagree? How does that change the relationship of theory and practice?",
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"text": "WHO?? Emily Sullivan?",
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"text": "So, Edward, you don't know if recent PhDs from CUA are getting tenure track jobs?",
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"text": "I don't think that was the philosophy department, but she can correct me if I'm wrong",
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"text": "No. John Brungardt was hired temporarily at Benedictine College and I think there's a chance that he'll get a further position.",
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"text": "They need to think a bit harder about why it is that no college, ever, had such a disinterest institutionally for the practical. And no author we read thought or acted this way. \nSt. Thomas might have \"published\" so much it killed him. Aristotle was a pretty active dude, overseeing and engaging in all kinds of \"practical\" tasks. \nThe tutors need a kick in the ass. They need to be encouraged to continue their education and engage with others while there (it can be with other Thomists, etc.) They need a wider variety of tutors re their background and pedigree.\nThis doesn't mean that they lose their salt. But don't pretend to complain about how hard it is to find people other than your own grads when don't even advertise open positions. Bwhahaha...asinine.\nThis is one of the best job markets in history for potential tutors.\nBut note the ones who aren't content to simply read the books and tutor either leave or become upset - even when these \"other activities\" are actually helping to inform and being informed by their tutoring.",
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"text": "So, they have Shields and Furlan! Maybe we should just make a Great Books utopia in Cincinnati!",
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"text": "Samantha: Here are the programs offered by the MI at ND, but the question I can't answer is WHO, among the Philosophy faculty would review one's application before admission, if one chose to apply in the area of Philosophy. http://medieval.nd.edu/people/faculty/faculty-by-field/\nFaculty by Field // Medieval Institute // University of Notre Dame\nThe Medieval Institute at Notre Dame promotes research...\nMEDIEVAL.ND.EDU|BY AGENCYND // UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME",
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"text": "Taking a #DigitalSabbath friends. See you on the far side of 10,000.",
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"text": "TAC should not expel poets, though, even if they yell at the tutor.",
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"text": "Fair enough. I know something of what you say from having been on the inside. But I don't think the problem is the disinterestedness in the practical. That is the school's strength.",
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"text": "Honestly, the entire tutor model or the extent to which it is taken, is not in its extreme TAC form part of any of the great U's or academies of all time.\nNo research/publishing reqs of any kind? Ever? Even in and with circles of like minded others friendly to your cause - God forbid you wrestle with those who disagree professionally, like, you know, the greats we read and like the method we profess seems to suggest you should. Not only to stay fresh, but to pursue the truth I hear so much about.",
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"text": "Did the medieval universities have \"publishing requirements\"?",
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"text": "But don't get me wrong: love it dearly, will defend it to the death, and protect the shire at all costs.",
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"text": "Aristotle seems not to have been prevented from pursuing the truth while writing and pursuing many research projects at the same time.",
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"text": "But as you just said, Nieto is more exception than rule: most get lazy unless nudged.",
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"text": "I thought Danny was teaching at a seminary",
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"text": "And most academic publishing of the best time is writing for the sake of understanding. And for letting iron sharpen iron amongst experts.\nThis idea that in the \"outside\" at respected national liberal arts colleges teaching suffers on account of research is absurd. They have fantastic teachers - even at the method of TAC - of the highest quality. And the research reqs don't hold it back, unlike at the big Us.",
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"text": "Maybe I'm mistaken, Samantha, but I remember him being hired at Xavier University",
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"text": "Although, to be fair, some of the most respected researchers are less spectacular in the classroom (Wippel, for example)",
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"text": "Rule # 9,547 of the Christendom book of rules: A yelling poet gets at least one written warning before it even becomes an issue.",
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"text": "What is academia? The modern university? The encyclicals are not broke. Someone's getting something from somewhere.",
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"text": "Are modern science and medieval science oil and water? What's wrong with oil and water being oil and water?",
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"text": "That too.",
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"text": "Christendom's online MA program does away with Administrators!",
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"text": "The modern universities are not universities at all. There is no \"one-turning\" because there is no agreement about first principles. It is a war for students, money, and prestige. No integration or understanding of the various disciplines and their relationship to one another. Chaos.",
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"text": "Why can't modern universities just be different than medieval first causes? Where's the rub?",
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"text": "Getting rid of tension and letting people who don't even have to put the time into lectures or grading papers simply read books and talk about them with little to no fresh air is a surefire way to bring about dissolution.",
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"text": "A war for students, money and prestiege? Do you think maybe the government is involved?",
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"text": "That's probably what everyone told MacArthur in the 60s and 70s",
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"text": "Plenty of tension among the tutors at TAC, at least in the \"old days.\" But the tendency to hire graduates of the school was, I think, a problem on a number of levels.",
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"text": "What do philosophy departments teach these days? Sean Kelsey? He was the smartest guy.",
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"text": "On that, at least, we can agree Jeffrey",
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"text": "But I still think something like what they do is ideal. It's just these little lies and strawmen - you can publish and it can help inform your pursuit of truth and teaching. By engaging you in dialectic throughout your career with peers.",
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"text": "Does anyone think that the second or third generation of tutors is of stature of the first?",
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"text": "and meet people",
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"text": "I think Nieto is good, but he's not everyone's cup of tea.",
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"text": "I hear that: I'm not for swamping them down and what they do is in many respects tough, especially early on. Dunno if I could swing all the classes or anything myself, at least well.",
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"text": "See? So it WAS a good idea.",
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"text": "But not just with St. John's.",
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"text": "We could have visiting tutors who are specialists, and only teach their areas of specialization for a semester",
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"text": "YES!",
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"text": "Peregrine like that.",
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"text": "Uh oh. What did I say?",
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"text": "Well, now you really are rewriting the curriculum and the mission. I suppose it appears that you could make these kinds of changes and still keep the aspect of the college you love, but that is not so.",
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"text": "You could hire a specialist for a semester to teach about the medieval bestiary, for example. That's just one example.",
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"text": "YOU TAKE THAT BACK",
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"text": "No",
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"text": "That is not at all what I am suggesting, Scott. Sorry.",
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"text": "Scott Weinberg - Michael Beitia wants to be unblocked and see your comments if you wish",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Now we must duel.",
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"text": "this sucks",
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"text": "It's sad that people think this would be changing the mission.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, I admire your fortitude",
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"text": "I have been blocked by Michael Beitia? No wonder this thread does not make any sense.",
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"text": "Edward Langley: they have no lectures to prep. They have zero req.s. \nThey could make Effing time.",
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"text": "I still think the requirements for research are antithetical to the requirements for teaching",
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"text": "You could have hired, for example, Seamus Heaney, for a semester to teach poetry. (He passed away recently.)",
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"text": "But one could take steps to ensure this stuff was informing them and helping not hurting their teaching.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Decaen is amazing. So incredibly smart and snarky. One of my favorite tutors.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And be known for sub-standard research?",
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"text": "No. No one is going to get what I'm saying so I'll shaddup.",
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"text": "Does Decaen rhyme with upon, or with pecan, or Ducayne?",
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"text": "I get you Matthew.",
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"text": "And as far as prep-time, the tutor's I've talked to (Anthony Andres, who came from Christnedom, for example) say it takes more time to prep for a seminar than for a lecture",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "whatever. the degree from TAC is like a degree from DeVry..... without all the technical skill",
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"text": "It absolutely would change the mission. You take for granted what the school now is, and that somehow it would remain the same while you added this and changed that. Certainly changing this book or that particular reading would not alter the mission, but what you are after really is something different. I think you underestimate what it takes to create and sustain an institution like TAC.",
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"text": "No, Peterson, keep talking. Please.",
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"text": "There are some circumstantial things keeping tutors from doing research such as finishing their doctoral thesis and having a huge family (lol)",
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"text": "For real. The tutors don't need to have such a heavy teaching load. TAC could cut it in half",
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"text": "Yes.",
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"name": "Emily Norppa",
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"text": "As long as they wait four or five years before doing so.",
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"text": "Is there a TAC Tutors' Union?",
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"text": "It's called tenure",
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"text": "No it isn't",
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"text": "It's called Permanent Appointment and it's pretty different than tenure",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Who shuts up because no one is listening on TNET?",
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"text": "Do tutors have rights at TAC?",
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"text": "LOL",
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"text": "Peterson?",
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"text": "Is there a Category of rights for the Tutor?",
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"text": "but not the student. That's it, isn't it. That's what this whole never-ending thread is about.",
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"text": "I thought this thread was about all things....",
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"text": "Is freshman Euclid a seminar or tutorial. And what is TNET?",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond- were you a tutor? What's your deal?",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Or: \"TNET Participants Anonymous\"",
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"text": "\"The NeverEnding Thread\"",
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"text": "When? How long?",
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"text": "It should actually be \"TNT\" because it's explosive.",
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"text": "Dr. Bond was before my time....back in the Jurassic period. (Kidding)",
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"text": "Three years. From 1989 to 1991.",
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"text": "Hence, the reason I should have prepared more for Euclid than Homer?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Were you there when Mike or Mark Langley was there, Dr. Bond?",
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"text": "So, I've been treating you like a peer. Sorry. I blame the Thread.",
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"text": "I recall the name \"Langley,\" but I don't think we overlapped. Please call me Jeff. No problem, Samantha. All are peers on the Peterson thread.",
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"text": "Peregrine had counseling. Beitia can you see this?",
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"text": "So Euclid is not preparation for poetry?",
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"text": "Once I understood Euclid, I really loved it. I spent 3 hours with Dr. Cain learning Book 1. Prop 47. That was the pivotal moment in my life when I fell in love with Euclid.",
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"text": "People should go here: https://www.facebook.com/settings?tab=blocking to see if they are inadvertently blocking anyone",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson is also right that it is a crazy buyers market out there. Hungry, brilliant PhDs ripe for the picking",
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"text": "Then, thou shalt interpret the following verse aright:",
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"text": "YOU are Hitler.",
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"text": "Ed, that poem above you quote, the long one in heroic couplets. Could this form fly today, all other things being equal? The same quality, same form?",
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"text": "If one was to get a TNET tattoo, what would it look like?",
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"text": "A DNA strand?",
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"text": "I sit me down to slay the troll\nWho lately down the thread doth stroll/\nI bring the trusty mouse to bear,\nThe keyboard too is also there.\n. . .",
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"text": "Couplets with chiasmus are DNA. They are.",
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"text": "Gregorian Chant can heal damaged DNA. There's hope.",
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"text": "WHAT is going on? Someone is seriously messing with our heads. This is the most mysterious thing. I feel like someone invented a rabid Christendom grad just to lure us all into meaningless dispute with a shadow.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "O for a thread of fire!",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland, you are soooo behind the times.",
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"text": "Catherine all is shadow in the unfolding of the world spirit that is TNET",
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"text": "It's true, I lost my place in the TNET. I lost my mind here too. But that had already started long ago.",
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"text": "Batter my heart three-threaded God!",
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"text": "Thanks for the update!",
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"text": "The Peregrine perished, and a kinder, gentler Scott Weinberg came to life in his stead.\nWe have traversed leagues since those days.",
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"text": "I found mine. It has become universal with the spreading of #gnosis through understanding Jormungandr's spirals in infinity",
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"text": "We are also preaching the Secret Teachings of Thomism.",
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"text": "As we approach 10K, I feel a presence I have not felt for a long time.",
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"text": "Is PB/Scott Weinberg completely a fiction? Is fictitious PB/Scott Weinberg making sport of us all?",
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"text": "Ah, a sister thread!",
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"text": "These are days of peace. An era of the intellect. Discussion and friendly debate about educational reform and procreation. Secret societies abound.\nBut will it all hold together?\nCould the days of darkness and gnashing of teeth return?\nAre there unlocked doors behind which lie veritable bestiaries of soul?\nWe shall see, Catherine Ryland. We. Shall. See.",
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"text": "I hear the rumbles of a syllaphor.",
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"text": "Evening Hawk\nFrom plane of light to plane, wings dipping through\nGeometries and orchids that the sunset builds,\nOut of the peak's black angularity of shadow, riding\nThe last tumultuous avalanche of\nLight above pines and the guttural gorge,\nThe hawk comes.\nHis wing\nScythes down another day, his motion\nIs that of the honed steel-edge, we hear\nThe crashless fall of stalks of Time.\nThe head of each stalk is heavy with the gold of our error.\nLook! Look! he is climbing the last light\nWho knows neither Time nor error, and under\nWhose eye, unforgiving, the world, unforgiven, swings\nInto shadow.\nLong now,\nThe last thrush is still, the last bat\nNow cruises in his sharp hieroglyphics.His wisdom\nIs ancient, too, and immense.The star\nIs steady, like Plato, over the mountain.\nIf there were no wind we might, we think, hear\nThe earth grind on its axis, or history\nDrip in darkness like a leaking pipe in the cellar.\nRobert Penn Warren",
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"date": "2014-08-30T22:28:00"
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"index": 9461,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Sing, goddess of Gnosis...",
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"date": "2014-08-30T22:28:00"
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"index": 9462,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "hey, it's the 21st century #gnosis",
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"index": 9463,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Math is like the cystalline sphere upon whom attendeth the warring elements.",
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"date": "2014-08-30T22:29:00"
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"index": 9464,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "RPW... stick whipping goldenrod. I spy chiasmus.",
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"index": 9465,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "No steel-clad arguments shall escape my lips unless they don the rosy trappings of metagism.",
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"index": 9466,
"name_length": 11,
"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Waiting for someone to juxtapose \"wine dark seas\" with gnosis...",
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"index": 9467,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "You know, you just aren't saying.",
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"index": 9468,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I will not serry terms to slay the troll, but will bedazzle his eyes with the wine dark seas of poetic gnosis.",
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"index": 9469,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "While the rosy-fingered dawn breaketh overhead.",
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"index": 9470,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "During the catalog of the ships.",
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"index": 9471,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I shall never catch up.",
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"index": 9472,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "his math struck through the hollow of the corselet, \nsending his armor clattering about his syllophor",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and he spoke a megasism that no two men, such as men are today\ncould have syllophored",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Do these below have the same thing in common, at the DNA level of gnosis?\none plus one equal two... \"a\" squared plus \"b\" squared... all a is b... Beatrice is a rose...",
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"index": 9475,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "They are all caught up in the transcendental unity of beauty, goodness and truth . . that is, imagination, will and intellect.",
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"index": 9476,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "all but the last.... it is metagism",
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"index": 9477,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "This can be seen in the formal structure of the syllaphor.",
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"index": 9478,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Ed, if that's true -- transcendental unity -- then they need to have something similar at their beginning, that is, at the DNA level of gnosis. Yes?",
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"subjectivity": 64,
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"index": 9479,
"name_length": 16,
"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I think that I shall never see a Thread as lovely as a tree.",
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"index": 9480,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Surely the DNA level of gnosis is beyond our petty categories of \"yes\" and \"no\" it is more like the self-same being-there of Dasein.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and Scottgrine, breaker of metagisms, cast his syllophor\nand the dark death danced about reason",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "That is beautiful and I have to go give Ellie a bath.",
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"index": 9483,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "dont dis on Heidegger\nSee Translation",
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"index": 9484,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Beauty is the thread, the thread beauty,\u2014that is all\t\nYe know on earth, and all ye need to know.",
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"index": 9485,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "that and don't diss on Heidegger",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Approaching 10000 \nAs a midpoint \nof infinity\nYet \nNot without limit \nOr any thread at all",
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"index": 9487,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The question is, is \"The Tempest\" of the devil?",
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"index": 9488,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Catherine.... the thread is Yggdrasil reaching its ashen branches into the metagismic aether",
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"subjectivity": 70,
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"index": 9489,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Exhibit (a):\nYe elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves\nAnd ye that on the sands with printless foot\nDo chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him\nWhen he comes back. . . . By whose aid, weak masters\nthough ye be, I have bedimmed the noontide sun\nMagic! the devil is in it!",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "The quality of Threadness is not strained.",
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"index": 9491,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The rose is beautiful / Beatrice is a rose is DNA splitting and adding the genetics of beauty to Beatrice.",
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"index": 9492,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Mercy is a town in Australia.",
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"index": 9493,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And necromancy: graves at my command have waked their sleepers, ope' and let them forth, by my so potent art.",
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"index": 9494,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The love their tea in Mercy.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The Koala-tea of Mercy is not strained.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Of course the Tempest is of the devile.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Australia knoweth mercy not, but waiteth in every shadow with some new horror for the unsuspecting man-child.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "I feel called to ask what Hamlet would do were he to approach 10K . . .",
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"index": 9499,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "He would thrust it with a bare bodkin.",
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"index": 9500,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "To thread or not to thread. That is the question.",
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"index": 9501,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Lear would divide the thread among his daughters",
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"index": 9502,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Reason, will, and appetite.",
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"index": 9503,
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Matt Nolan and Peter Kwasniewski are here on the Book of Faces, Jeffrey Bond, in case you aren't already connected.",
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"polarity": 191,
"index": 9504,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And the thread claims yet more victims.",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 9505,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Your mercy knows no bounds!",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 9506,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Blow, Thread, and crack your cheeks! Thread! blow! You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout Till you have drench'd our steeples, drown'd the cocks!",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The quality of this thread is not strained;\nIt droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven\nUpon the place beneath. It is twice blest;\nIt blesseth him that gives and him that takes",
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"index": 9508,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Let us return to the clearing where the disclosedness of Dasein is Daseins own being-for-itself-for-the-sake-of-the-they.",
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"polarity": 137,
"index": 9509,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Do not go gentle into that long thread . . .",
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"index": 9510,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "For it is the ever fix\u00e9d mark, that looks on storms and is never shaken",
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"index": 9511,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "a knitting party now?",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 9512,
"name_length": 16,
"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I like knitting.",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 9513,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "My wife has been knitting me a scarf for about a year now.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
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"date": "2014-08-30T22:50:00"
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The little Cricket sings a song of hope,\nA song of love, in God's eternal scope.\nIf little Crickets sing of things thereof,\nThen how much more can we sign of His love?",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Being and Twine",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Samantha Cohoe, to be fair, Goyette and I basically waged war against each other for four semesters . . . I like to think that he is indocile.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I like Mr. Goyette. I do not like his utter acceptance of St. Augustine. (Well, of practically everything he said)",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "St. Augustine is where it's all at.",
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"polarity": 113,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Justus quidem tu es, Domine, si disputem tecum: verumtamen\njusta loquar ad te: Quare via impiorum prosperatur? &c.\nThou are indeed just, Lord, if I contend\nWith thee; but, sir, so what I plead is just.\nWhy do sinners' ways prosper? and why must\nDisappointment all I endeavour end?\nWert thou my enemy, O thou my friend,\nHow wouldst thou worse, I wonder, than thou dost\nDefeat, thwart me? Oh, the sots and thralls of lust\nDo in spare hours more thrive than I that spend,\nSir, life upon thy cause. See, banks and brakes\nNow, leav\u00e8d how thick! lac\u00e8d they are again\nWith fretty chervil, look, and fresh wind shakes\nThem; birds build--but not I build; no, but strain,\nTime's eunuch, and breed not one work that wakes.\nMine, O thou lord of life, send my roots rain.\nFather Gerard Manley Hopkins, S.J. (1844-1889)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Oh yeah.... I think I had the same argument with Goyette about Augustine that I had with Big Angry earlier in the Thread.",
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"subjectivity": 57,
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"index": 9521,
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And I didn't have Goyette for Augustine, I had Paietta",
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"polarity": 255,
"index": 9522,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But Augustine was basically the best Thomist before Thomas.",
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"polarity": 150,
"index": 9523,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "With apologies to Matthew Arnold . . . \nThe web is calm tonight.\nThe thread is full, the moon lies fair\nUpon the straits; on the French coast the light\nGleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,\nGlimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.\nCome to the window, sweet is the night-air!\nOnly, from the long line of spray\nWhere the sea meets the moon-blanched land,\nListen! you hear the grating roar\nOf pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,\nAt their return, up the high strand,\nBegin, and cease, and then again begin,\nWith tremulous cadence slow, and bring\nThe eternal note of sadness in.\nSophocles long ago\nHeard it on the \u00c6gean, and it brought\nInto his mind the turbid ebb and flow\nOf human misery; we\nFind also in the sound a thought,\nHearing it by this distant northern sea.\nThe Eternal Thread\nWas once, too, at the full, and round earth\u2019s shore\nLay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.\nBut now I only hear\nIts melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,\nRetreating, to the breath\nOf the night-wind, down the vast edges drear\nAnd naked shingles of the web.\nAh, love, let us be true\nTo one another! for the thread, which seems\nTo lie before us like a land of dreams,\nSo various, so beautiful, so new,\nHath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,\nNor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;\nAnd we are here as on a darkling plain\nSwept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,\nWhere ignorant armies clash by night.",
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"index": 9524,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": ".\nMarke but this flea, and marke in this,\nHow little that which thou deny\u2019st me is;\nIt suck\u2019d me first, and now sucks thee,\nAnd in this flea, our two bloods mingled bee.",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 9525,
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Donne!",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "But not done.",
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"text": "But that's all one, this play is done.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I never did quite understand your love of Goyette, Samantha. Mark Clark, on the other hand, there was a tutor!",
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"text": "The syllogism is DNA, too; breaking two threads\nKnitting one new.",
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"text": "I bump into Mr. Clark frequently at CUA.",
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"text": "I need to call/write him sometime.",
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"text": "When that I was and a little tiny boy,\nWith hey, ho, the wind and the rain,\nA foolish thing was but a toy,\nFor the rain it raineth every day.\nBut when I came to man\u2019s estate,\nWith hey, ho, the wind and the rain,\n\u2019Gainst knaves and thieves men shut their gate,\nFor the rain it raineth every day.\nBut when I came, alas! to wive,\nWith hey, ho, the wind and the rain,\nBy swaggering could I never thrive,\nFor the rain it raineth every day.\nBut when I came unto my beds,\nWith hey, ho, the wind and the rain,\nWith toss-pots still had drunken heads,\nFor the rain it raineth every day.\nA great while ago the world begun,\nWith hey, ho, the wind and the rain,\nBut that\u2019s all one, our play is done,\nAnd we\u2019ll strive to please you every day.",
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"text": "St. John's has a rolling sabbatical, where ever 9 years or so, each tutor gets a sabbatical year. I've always thought this would be a good idea at TAC, as well.",
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"text": "Except maybe for the clown.",
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"text": "263",
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"text": "Every other Shakespeare event I run into is Twelfth Night.",
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"text": "Better than a Midsummer Night's Dream.",
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"text": "People should stretch their imaginations a little bit and do Comedy of Errors or As You Like It or Alls Well That Ends Well.",
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"text": "I have a fondness for Much Ado About Nothing myself. I actually had a part in The Merchant of Venice while at TAC. That was a blast.",
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"text": "It's a good play, but just about played out for the nonce.",
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"text": "So, I was in Vancouver, at Twelfth Night, at the Arts Club on Granville Island, on my way to Europe, and was talking to the clown after the performance, then met this actor and actress from Ireland who invited me to their place the following weekend where we said the Rosary with their brothers and sisters and mom and dad, and that's how I became Catholic.",
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"text": "Oh, agreed, but I think it's a brilliant play.",
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"text": "I think my favorite part of the Merchant of Venice was chewing out my classmate for losing his wedding ring. I really got to go off on him. Fun times.",
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"text": "Here is no water but only Thread\t\nThread and no water and the sandy road\t\nThe road winding above among the mountains\t\nWhich are mountains of Thread without water\t\nIf there were water we should stop and drink\nAmongst the Thread one cannot stop or think",
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"text": "It's hard to find a good play these days.",
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"text": "Moliere generally pleases",
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"text": "The Thread goes ever on and on\nDown from the door where it began.\nNow far ahead the Thread has gone,\nAnd I must follow, if I can,\nPursuing it with eager feet,\nUntil it joins some larger way\nWhere many paths and errands meet.\nAnd whither then? I cannot say\u201d",
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"text": "\"Not all Threads that wander are lost.\"",
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"text": "Go to now, ye threadmakers, make trial that ye all may know. Fasten ye a thread of gold from Zuckerberg, and all ye facebookers lay hold thereof; yet could ye not drag from heaven to earth Matthew J. Peterson, counselor supreme, not though ye toiled sore. But once he likewise were minded to draw with all his heart, then should he draw you up with very earth and sea withal. Thereafter would he bind the thread about a pinnacle of Olympus, and so should all those things be hung in air. By so much is he beyond gods and beyond men.",
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"text": "Goldsmith, \"she stoops to conquer\" is a good one too.",
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"text": "We are strangers and threadbearers...",
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"text": "Better Thread, than Red.",
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"text": "I sing of Thread-makers, and a man of Thread!",
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"text": "Turning and turning in the widening gyre\nThe falcon cannot hear the falconer;\nThings fall apart; the centre cannot hold;\nThe NeverEnding Thread is loosed upon the world,\nThe blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere\nThe ceremony of innocence is drowned;\nThe best lack all conviction, while the worst\nAre full of passionate intensity.",
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"text": "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of thread.",
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"text": "O, then, I see Queen Mab hath been with you.\nShe is the fairies' midwife, and she comes\nIn shape no bigger than an agate-stone\nOn the fore-finger of an alderman,\nDrawn with a team of little atomies\nAthwart men's noses as they lie asleep;\nHer wagon-spokes made of long spiders' legs,\nThe cover of the wings of grasshoppers,\nThe traces of the smallest spider's web,\nThe collars of the moonshine's watery beams,\nHer whip of cricket's bone, the lash of threads!",
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"text": "I would not take a thread or a sandal or anything that is yours, lest you should say, \u2018I have made Abram rich.\u2019 (Genesis 14: 23)",
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"text": "...crazy people?",
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"text": "Seriously, though, is free or open verse the only form of poetry that would work today?",
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"text": "And what's the connection between math, and poetry, and faith and reason?",
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"text": ".\nChild! do not throw this book about;\nRefrain from the unholy pleasure\nOf cutting all the pictures out!\nPreserve it as your chiefest treasure.\nChild, have you never heard it said\nThat you are heir to all the ages?\nWhy, then, your hands were never made\nTo tear these beautiful thick pages!\nYour little hands were made to take\nThe better things and leave the worse ones.\nThey also may be used to shake\nThe Massive Paws of Elder Persons.\nAnd when your prayers complete the day,\nDarling, your little tiny hands\nWere also made, I think, to pray\nFor men that lose their fairylands.",
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"text": "\"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1\"",
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"text": "That's the funniest line in movie history!",
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"text": ".\nI CALL you bad, my little child,\nUpon the title page,\nBecause a manner rude and wild\nIs common at your age.\nThe Moral of this priceless work\n(If rightly understood)\nWill make you--from a little Turk--\nUnnaturally good.\nDo not as evil children do,\nWho on the slightest grounds\nWill imitate the Kangaroo,\nWith wild unmeaning bounds:\nDo not as children badly bred,\nWho eat like little Hogs,\nAnd when they have to go to bed\nWill whine like Puppy Dogs:\nWho take their manners from the Ape,\nTheir habits from the Bear,\nIndulge the loud unseemly jape,\nAnd never brush their hair.\nBut so control your actions that\nYour friends may all repeat.\n'This child is dainty as the Cat,\nAnd as the Owl discreet.'",
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"text": "Beloc.",
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"text": "Have you ever seen The Palm Beach Story by Preston Sturges? It may have some lines that are even funnier.",
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"text": ".\nThe Microbe is so very small\nYou cannot make him out at all,\nBut many sanguine people hope\nTo see him through a microscope.\nHis jointed tongue that lies beneath\nA hundred curious rows of teeth;\nHis seven tufted tails with lots\nOf lovely pink and purple spots,\nOn each of which a pattern stands,\nComposed of forty separate bands;\nHis eyebrows of a tender green;\nAll these have never yet been seen--\nBut Scientists, who ought to know,\nAssure us that they must be so. . . .\nOh! let us never, never doubt\nWhat nobody is sure about!",
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"text": "Concerning Hemmingway, I think \"The Short and Happy Life of Francis Macomber\" may qualify as a great short story. After that, I'm not much of a fan.",
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"text": "what is pietas in the Aeneid?",
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"text": "pius Aeneas: doing the will of Jupiter",
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"text": "Aeneas or Jesus?",
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"text": "[my posts are delayed]",
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"text": "Festina lente",
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"text": "Aeneas does not personally overcome death, but his founding of Rome, the city that incarnates the eternal rule of Jupiter, is an amazing anticipation of Christ's victory over death and the subsequent role that Rome would play in that great victory. I marvel at Virgil's insight that Rome's rule was to be eternal.",
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"text": "But how does Aeneas found Rome?",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "He plants his sword in the body of Turnus. The Latin for \"plant\" and \"found\" is the same, yes?",
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"text": "condo, condere",
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"text": "then what is the meaning of that? I took it quite other.",
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"text": "I have always loved Homer more than Virgil, but I am awed by Virgil's presentiment of our desire that what is eternal be incarnated in the world. For Homer, the eternal realm of Olympus and the world of men remain separate realms. For Virgil, the eternal and the here and now come together forever in Rome. While Virgil seems to have viewed this politically, nevertheless he was right beyond his wildest dreams.",
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"text": "Turnus is the new Achilles who must be destroyed by the new Hector once the remnant of Troy has fulfilled the will of Jupiter. First Greece conquered Troy, but ultimately Troy (Rome) conquers Greece.",
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"text": "sub pectore?",
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"text": "well it seems i have it all upside down. Have to get off my head here.",
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"text": "The founding act. Why in the chest? I don't know.",
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"text": "But as I recall, doesn't Aeneas become righteously angry when he sees the belt on Turnus which depicts the destruction of Troy by Achilles' son? The belt represents the order of civilized life which Rome will now establish on earth for all nations.",
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"text": "To tell the truth i am horrified by what i see in the Aeneid.",
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"text": "Why is that?",
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"text": "righteous anger or revenge. And what is depicted is not order though it is beautifully done, beautiful but horrifying.",
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"text": "Is the ending shocking just to us moderns? Was it intended to be abrupt?",
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"text": "The key, I think, is the belt of Pallas which depicts the right order of political life. Aeneas' anger when he sees the belt moves him to plant (found) the sword which brings the old world to an end and establishes the new order according to Jupiter's will.",
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"text": "What god can now unfold for me in song",
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"text": "But as to the war, i see that Aeneas brings destruction upon the Saturnial peace of Latinus.",
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"text": "but i will have to look at it anew.",
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"text": "What god can now unfold for me in song\nall the bitterness and butchery\nand deaths of chieftains--driven now by Turnus,\nnow by the Trojan hero, each in turn\nthroughout that field? O Jupiter, was it\nyour will that nations destined to eternal\npeace should have clashed in such tremendous turmoil?\nI think Virgil's answer is \"yes\".",
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"text": "What appears on the belt of Pallas, mentioned in Book X at line 683, is first described in Book II, line 675. Check it out and see what you think.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "but what possible happiness for Lavinia and their marriage?",
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"text": "It does not seem to be about personal happiness (unlike Odysseus' and Penelope's reunion in Homer). Were it about personal happiness, Aeneas would never have left Dido. He was helping her to build up the city of Carthage, Rome's mortal enemy (!), when Jupiter ordered him to leave and fulfill his fate.",
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"text": "There we see Aeneas' piety insofar as he subordinates his will to that of Jupiter.",
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"text": "i.e. the common good",
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"text": "and Divine Providence",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Also, I never thought I'd see this or be there for it?",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Guess yet?",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "TEN THOUSAND \"at\"",
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"name": "Jonathan Monnereau",
"text": "Wow",
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"text": "Earlier Aeneas carried his father on his back and held his son by his hand--past, present and future united--when he left Troy to begin his journey to found Rome. Piety: that species of the virtue of justice which demands special reverence toward God the Father, the patria, and parents, each of which gives the gift of life and therefore can never be repaid.",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "Cheers everyone!",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I will have to look at it in the morning but deka myria thanks.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "'T is not too late to seek a newer world.\nPush off, and sitting well in order smite\nThe sounding furrows; for my purpose holds\nTo sail beyond the sunset, and the baths\nOf all the western stars, until I die.\nIt may be that the gulfs will wash us down:\nIt may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,\nAnd see the great Achilles, whom we knew.\nTho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'\nWe are not now that strength which in old days\nMoved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;\nOne equal temper of heroic hearts,\nMade weak by time and fate, but strong in will\nTo strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "YAY, congratulations on your diligence and hard work. The Never Ending Thread is amazing.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Jonathan Monnereau: How are you NOW just getting involved in this?",
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"text": "My SAT scores were miserable; TAC only accepted me out of loyalty to my parents. But I think intelligence is overrated anyways. I have been young and am now old, and never have I seen any evidence that more intelligent people are more happy. Same with worldly success. Plus: I think my dining room is better than that of the smart people who went to prestigious schools and made it big in the world:",
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"text": "Pater Edmund: where is that? It's lovely.",
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"text": "Also: I agree with Matthew up to a point on TAC tutors needing a little more fresh air. I think they should definitely get sabbaticals ever seven years.",
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"text": "My graduate school was pretty lovely.",
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"text": "I used to dorm in what was an old cloister. My bedroom was literally 6 steps away from an old Gothic chapel. It was really one of the most beautiful dorms ever.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund is one of the most erudite people I have ever met, and one of the happiest",
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"text": "I am pleased to make your acquaintance, Pater Edmund - your brother was in my class at TAC.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "The only problem with your dining room, Pater Edmund is the very unappetizing exhortation, \"Ad mensam ut ad crucem,\" written on the ceiling.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Where did you go to graduate school Megan?",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "You are making me want to be a monk Pater Edmund",
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"text": "Dominican University right outside of Chicago. Lovely, lovely campus.",
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"text": "I ended up rooming in the same place where I had my first holy Communion - Fr. John Hardon, SJ had given It to me in that very Chapel. Providential how I ended up there.",
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"text": "Crazy growth while I was at a wedding....\nProbably someone else already stated this, oh 2000 comments ago, but I am a pedant.\nWendy Irene, no, no no.\nJust cause is not grave cause. Any first semester canon law or moral theology student knows they are distinct concepts. If even a pope used them interchangeably, then he is butchering language and failing to say much at all, and since he would know better, he is being terrible. More likely, as different hands craft papal documents and speeches, the contradiction of just cause versus grave cause was because of one of those ghostwriters.\nA just cause, e.g., if any reasonable inconvenience arises. A grave cause means a grave inconvenience, a physical or moral impossibility (by moral I do not mean only possible with sin, but impossible to do within reasonable means)\nA just cause basically means \"is it rational\" I repeat, these terms are not made up just for NFP, and we would be fools to gut out the meaning of terms and pretend they mean other things just because NFP\nThese terms have a long history and a specific meaning in that history. They are not equivalent.\nE.g., for a grave cause I may miss Mass. IOW, whenever it is physically or morally impossible to go. For a just cause I need not make up a lesser part of Mass I missed (say I came in at the Epistle). I do not need to assert moral impossibility, I can simply assert a rational reason, such as I am meeting extended family for breakfast and cannot hang around for the next Mass to make up that part. \nOr, e.g., a priest may be granted excardination for any just cause. A bishop cannot refuse except for grave cause.\nWhat this means is that a priest can request to leave the LA archdiocese and go to Cheyenne. He gets the approval of Cheyenne, and then asks +Gomez. His reason, perhaps, is traffic bothers him excessively and he needs clean air. That is a just cause. Not a high standard there. +Gomez says no, I want you to remain as you are popular with your congregation and a good fit. Wel the priest would then appeal and he would win against Gomez. That the priest is a good fit, and the bishop wants him to remain is rational, it is a \"just cause\" but not a grave cause. A grave cause might be \"I am sorry but you are the only priest that speaks Urdu and we need an Urdu speaking priest\" or if there is an extreme shortage of priests and the removal of this one would significantly affect the diocese, etc.\nSee the difference? I know that sloppy papal ghostwriters have used both. I don't care. They are already imbued with meaning, they are not ad hoc terms. The best distinction, really, is that spacing children requires only a just cause, avoiding children a grave cause.\nOr else we have a simple contradiction. But John Paul II used the terms properly. Yes I know that Chris West and others speak differently because they have never bothered studying the tradition and learning what terms actually mean. But you will see that JPII, at least, when he uses just cause is always referring to spacing. When grave cause is used, it is used for avoidance of pregnancy. Either these are different, or frankly we have to reject John Paul II, as I dang well know that Pius XII used the terms correctly and as traditionally employed, and I know JPII sometimes takes a word with an already established meaning and uses it differently (the word \"election\" which he conflates with calling in on encyclical)",
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"text": "Edward Langley, the best Thomist before St. Thomas was St. Severinus Boethius...duh!",
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"text": "Wendy Irene, you should see this^",
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"text": "Addendum: I don't mean reject JPII, but reject his use of terms, i.e. fly back to those using them in the proper sense. I think the distinction of mere spacing from avoidance works for understand these terms being used properly. If I am wrong, then I fall back to grave cause, not just cause.\nProportionality is important, after all a rational reason for one thing is not for another. But it only gives a starting point, just says take that to rational, grave says take that to gravely inconvenient not to.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, can you give me a summary of the positions about which you are discussing with Wendy Irene? \nI apparently missed a lot.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Please and thank you.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I think this thread needs periodic synopses.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "^Impossible. ",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Don't worry, too much, though. The Thread periodically re-manifests certain dynamics of its Threadness, through various prophets etc.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Why do threads like this not happen in more reasonable places like the TAC Alumni page (which would be searchable)?",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "The Thread springs forth where it wills.",
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"text": "Well it was 11 hour ago. She essentially said that since it was a major matter, the \"suspension of the ordinary activity\" or something like that, then, since cause is proportional, this is weighty enough that any just cause will also be grave.\nSo, to be clear, she is not the laxist here. But I do think that, whatever the proportionality, the basic meanings are distinct and it would be just very bad and almost purposely misleading to ever use the term \"just cause\" if you also meant grave, as if those terms normally could mean the same thing. And likewise I think the cause needed, while still serious (because of proportionality) for spacing is still different in kind than avoiding children. IOW, the decision to have no more children, or to set a cap, seems to me to require a greater burden then, hey I just gave two births in 11 months apart and physically need to recover.\nI tend, as I did in a much earlier comment, to just use \"serious\" when speaking of NFP...it avoids the controversy, and yes there is a controversy....many NFP promoters harp on just cause and argue about NFP is necessary for all marriages and is the 8th sacrament, and will improve communication. And if it doesn't that if because you are defective...yeah those people exist, and in spades....and it also underscores that any use for the sake of doing the horizontal tango without producing babies requires something more than a slight reason.\nI imagine she and I are not disagreeing all that substantially. And her point is very valid that the proportionality makes even a just cause more serious. But I do think the proper terms are important.",
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"text": "Also, I am not sure I see it as a suspension of any aspect of the marital vocation a she put it. Rather, when used rightly, isn't it in furtherance of the ends of that vocation?",
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"index": 9833,
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "There is still a TAC alumni page?",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Yes, it is secret and we have to let you in. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2200569229/?fref=ts\nThomas Aquinas College Alumni\n312 Members\nJoined",
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"text": "There is also an official one: Thomas Aquinas College Alumni Association",
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"text": "But the first one is the one where any chatting might happen (if it did)",
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"text": "Oh, I thought we were referring to an older, pre-Facebook era site that I knew of",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Yeah -- that discussion site might still exist. I haven't checked in a long time.",
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"text": "BTW, I am back to the horror of what appearing to be spamming by one Weinberg.....That was horrifyin...thankfully, since not Peregrine, I could block....",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "For five hours, now, The Neverending Thread has slept.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Mornin'",
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"index": 9842,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Soooo... where were we?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Hey Pater Edmund-- I read your thing.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The Daisy\nIn the morning, open yawning.\nIn the evening, close your awning.\nTell me dear, I have forgot,\nDo you love or love me not?\nWill the horse and calf be gone,\nWill the rain chase them away,\nWill you ask your leprechaun,\nAnd pixies out to play?\nWill they speak, before they go.\nIf you love me, let me know?\nIf they implore you love me not,\nAgain once more I have forgot.",
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"text": "Adrw Lng-- Hemmingway is not a great writer. Caleb is the greatest living philosopher (or he will be). Greatest living novelist is Marilynne Robinson.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I like your conviction.",
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"text": "Hemmingway was a great journalist",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Thanks.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "And a really, really good writer of short stories",
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"text": "If math is the core language of nature, then how come the most important things in life and being cannot be quantified by math. For example, the way several of the Native American Tribes converted from belief in a Great Spirit to Catholicism, and how they maintain their culture, does not translate into the language of math. This being the case, why is math so central at TAC? Why is it so central to the proposal, when the proposal seeks to restore true freedom to academia? Is math not so central to academia? If it is not, maybe it is good there's no connection between TAC and modern academia. Just askin.\nI agree, Hemmingway was not a great writer.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I like the idea of Thread Awards. Where are we on nominations?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I think I deserve one.",
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"text": "I think I've earned one.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "On that we can all agree",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "But in lieu of an award, send donations to the TNET Foundation.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "(1) Best insult.\n(2) Most humorous.\n(3) Most high fantastical.",
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"text": "4) Best adaptation of a classic poem.\n(5) Best image\n(6) Best tragical/historical/comical",
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"text": "I would also suggest 7) biggest freak-out",
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"text": "and nominate Isak Benedict.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Where should I start with Robinson Samantha? I haven't read a single novel of hers",
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"text": "There aren't many. Just read Gilead, then Home, then if you would like something beautifully creepy, Housekeeping",
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"text": "Best feigned outrage?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz one question I have for you is with regard to gravity in liturgical abuses... Example I'm wondering about: There are a lot of polka masses in my area...I find them totally gauche and of course there is no basis for them, but how gravely wrong are they? I have a hard time thinking about it because it makes me mad to think about it haha",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Best perceived insult award... best prank... best ad hoc prank... best one liner.",
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"text": "What are mathematicals? How do they exist?",
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"text": "Best one-liner from a fictitious persona: throw me Isak. If anyone can find that needle in this haystack, I will send them a free book.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Samantha well alright I just bought Gilead this fine Sunday morning",
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"text": "I don't know. What are mathematicals?",
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"text": "You won't regret it!",
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"text": "Things which are math?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'm so pleased!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "What would a Best Perceived Insult be?",
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"text": "Also, I think I'm a solid contender for best feigned outrage",
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"text": "Numbers are lines.",
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"text": "Maybe one should answer the question about what mathematical beings are before, \n1. Calling them the language of nature\n2. Figuring out why it is important in TAC",
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"text": "If numbers aren't lines, then what are they? Hmmmm?",
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"text": "^ I can hear Molly Gustin, now.",
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"text": "That's basically all I remember from senior math",
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"text": "Well, even that would still leave us with the question, \"What are lines, and how do they exist.\"",
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"text": "don't you remember all those literalist people squinting with dismay as they tried to picture non-Euclidean geometry, and laughing on the inside? (I lied laughing on the outside)\nOr was that just me",
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"text": "I was one of those literalist people. ::::feigned outrage:::::",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Beitia for best insult / humor. And i think he competes with himself on that. He calls it \"amusing himself\".",
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"text": "I admit the case is hard, and not very clean. But if you will permit a perhaps rather fanciful argument from fittingness: So, Thomas holds that the separated soul is only a quasi substance. It is a principle of substance and is still referred to \"this matter.\" Thomas even says in one of his commentaries on St. Paul's epistles that it is nigh impossible to demonstrate the souls immortality without faith. This is primarily because the separated soul doesn't really make sense. I think the reason Thomas is okay with this is because he recognizes that humans are not supposed to die. Our deaths are unnatural in a way that the death of plants and animals is not. The separated soul is not a human person, but, as it were, longs to be so.",
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"text": "And much of what is missing, for the separated soul, is restored (for the saints at least) in the order of grace, yes? I haven't thought about this since senior year, but I seem to remember Nieto saying something like that when you and I, Daniel, were at his house for dinner one night.",
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"text": "\u00abBut there seem to be two doubts about this reasoning: one is that what the Apostle says does not seem to be universally true, namely, that Christians are confident in this life only, because they could say that, although our bodies do not possess any good things except in this life, which is mortal, yet according to the soul they have many good things in the other life. This can be turned aside in two ways: in one way, because if the resurrection of the body is denied, it is not easy, yea it is difficult, to sustain the immortality of the soul. For it is clear that the soul is naturally united to the body and is departed from it, contrary to its nature and per accidens. Hence the soul devoid of its body is imperfect, as long as it is without the body. But it is impossible that what is natural and per se be finite and, as it were, nothing; and that which is against nature and per accidens be infinite, if the soul endures without the body. And so, the Platonists positing immortality, posited re-incorporation, although this is heretical. Therefore, if the dead do not rise, we will be confident only in this life. In another way, because it is clear that man naturally desires his own salvation; but the soul, since it is part of man\u2019s body, is not an entire man, and my soul is not I; hence, although the soul obtains salvation in another life, nevertheless, not I or any man. Furthermore, since man naturally desires salvation even of the body, a natural desire would be frustrated.\u00bb",
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"text": "JA Escalante--I'd still like to hear more about what you alluded to above--namely that the other scholastics would handle it differently.",
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"text": "Thank you Pater Edmund, but I think there is another even stronger text.",
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"text": "Gentlemen I have to be off to church- but don't confuse arguments for the resurrection (Pater's quote above) with discussions of the substantiality of the separated soul. Joel, more perhaps later tonight re other scholastic, but yes, you're right about \"grace\"- as I said earlier. Thomists tend to save the situation with a miraculum ex machina, by having God miraculously preserve the spirits against nature. But I'll leave with one more thought: it's easy to substract \"rational\" from substance, but subtract \"substance' from \"rational\", and still have a rationality existing so much so that *one can pray to it* (I mean, I don't, but you do), is quite a move and seems nonsensical. One is left then with \"quasi\", but exactly what that means needs to be explained.",
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"text": "JA Escalante, I don't think I am confusing the resurrection with the separated soul. I only brought that up to reinforce the notion that the separation of the soul is highly unnatural.",
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"text": "So, a lot has been said (rightly perhaps) about the lack of practical options out of TAC. So, would you send your kids to TAC? Samantha? Peterson? Lendman?",
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"text": "Inclined towards it, depending on where the school is at at that time. It will get worse before it gets better, I think.\nBut I would take a number of steps to ensure they are well informed as to the next step in ways I wasn't.\nThe thing is, if you are given to see clearly graduating from TAC doesn't necessarily hold anyone back from whatever they want to do next.\nFor me, summers are key. I would have them do charitable/missionary type work the first two summer and them pre-professional work/internships the last. Plus use the time beforehand to supplement.",
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"text": "Using summers that way is great, but it assumes no need to work and make money.",
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"text": "But much depends on how the school turns post founders and my kids. There are other places with different downsides and upsides that are much better on the practical/leadership side.",
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"text": "Right. My kids will all work crap jobs and pre-profesh internships when in HS.\nI know many graduates who think money needs to be found for a summer program getting TAC kids out into charitable service.",
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"text": "As far as internships and pre-profesh programs go, you are ultimately losing money and time if you aren't doing this summer of junior year.",
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"text": "Re: \"How the school turns out post-founders,\" I guess I agree, in a certain sense. But I think I disagree with something you said thousands of comments ago, Matthew J. Peterson. Namely, I don't think that (as of '06 at least) the 2nd and 3rd generation of tutors were all worse than the founders. I think that there was more of a mix, but the best tutors while I was there were up there intellectually with the founders.",
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"text": "I'm guessing your children are pretty young, Matthew - they way you talk about what they are going to do in high school, during their summers, etc... I presume you do intend to give them some say in it?",
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"text": "Andrews I was blown away by the opportunities that were presented for my sister at Hillsdale. That's my first choice for my daughters right now.",
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"text": "It's still a little ways out, but as of now I'd be thrilled to see my kids go to TAC.",
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"text": "Depends on a lot, especially what the school is like in 12 years, and what my kids' goals are, and whether we've reconverted by then. I did try to convince my little sister to go there, though, and that was just last year.",
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"text": "Of course. I'm flexible and it depends on the kid. But I am very aware of what parents who know the system do - and do systematically.\nAnd any TAC grad needs to understand the opportunities a profesh liberal arts college can give their kids. And basically imitate that. Thankfully, I'll have my own connections, especially by then.\nBut really people need to know all the other fantastic educational options out there before they decide.",
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"text": "Yeah, I think we'll be in a decent position to remedy *some* of TAC's practical failures",
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"text": "That's fair enough.\nI guess as a high school teacher I see the other side... the impact of parents who are certain that their children are going to live the lives the parents have chosen for them.",
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"text": "Bekah Sims Andrews: I was thinking more of the choice between TAC and the sort of schools Matthew was talking about--e.g. Pomona, Williams, Amherst, that sort of thing. Or even a big university like UVA or Michigan. I.e. schools that regularly place their students in prestigious graduate programs.",
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"text": "As a Hollywood mogul, your connections with be innumerable, Peterson.",
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"text": "I say this as a TAC grad who is also a parent with 1 at TAC, 1 at Northpark studying nursing and the third currently applying to all the top chemical engineering schools she can... (With 3 more to go...)\nNever could have predicted any of it!",
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"text": "of course the last name would probably preclude them from being accepted anyway, so the point is moot",
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"text": "It isn't like TAC doesn't have *any* students get into prestigious positions. I know of at least two grads who work (worked?) Goldman Sachs, and one who had an interview at Google. This is just off the top of my head.",
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"text": "yes?",
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"text": "1. Molly Gustin was definitely out of it by the time I had her. She knew me though, and insisted for 2 years before actually having me in class that she had had me in class.\n2. She tried setting me up with girls, twice. Once based on similar etymological meanings of last names\n3. If the entire class took the class seriously, we could have made it work. But they didn't. That is not them as much as her failing ability.",
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"text": "So, Beitia, even if they really wanted to go there?",
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"text": "she was excellent in 98-99 and 99-00",
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"text": "^Expand.",
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"text": "I would but I just got home from Mass and have to run out again.... you'll just have to wait...... bwahahahahaha",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "What does Kenz mean? (Etymologically, that is.)",
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"text": "New TNET iron-on decal!\n$9.99 while supplies last\n1-800-THREAD-NOW",
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"text": "My children have each gone to a different school: the first to TAC, the second to DeSales University; the third to the University of Dallas; the fourth to Providence and then transferred to Christendom; and the fifth to AMDA in NYC (a conservatory to study acting). I have four more children still at home, the sixth child being currently a senior in high school. While I think TAC is the best choice without qualification, it would not have been the best choice for each child, especially since they did not choose it. And as Bekah noted when asking Matthew about his children having any choice about how they might spend their summers, you will find when it comes to college that you will have to take their choice into account. TAC is not for everyone, to be sure, but I think its strengths and weaknesses should be presented to a child who is capable and interested so that he can make an informed choice.",
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"text": "[as an outsider, definitely not. We are preparing our feral offspring for Mad Max Academy.]",
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"text": "The meaning of my name she took from the root as being \"ken\" similar to kennen or kenntis, and hence meaning \"knowledge\" Won't say the girls name, but it was translated by Gustin as meaning \"Idea\" And from there an inappropriate knowing of the Ideas, you get the drift....",
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"text": "What Marie mentions above is so true--the danger of parents wanting their children to live the lives the parents have chosen for them.",
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"text": "and Jeffrey I did spend time on the looking into the belt, but later. It was at X.495. A lot there . Thanks again.",
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"text": "Wow. Tutor match making! And here you folks were complaining that the tutors didn't do enough for you!",
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"text": "I will check out X 495. Thanks, John.",
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"text": "(Jeffrey Bond - you may remember me as a TAC student of yours - Marie Grimley at the time. If I had followed my Dad's wishes, I would have been a business major at Loyola Marymount and then I would have gone to Law School.)",
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"text": "Or Dan Daniel Lendman, I think you are thinking of lectio 4 or 5 on cap. 15 1 Corinthians.",
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"text": "Yes, Marie, I remember you well, but I did not recognize your married name. As you can see, I am still approving of the things you say!",
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"text": "What subject(s) are you teaching, Marie?",
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"text": "I was principally wondering what those I tagged (and everybody else of course) would say if a child of theirs had an interest in TAC, but was undecided. I know there are lots of parents who give their children a choice between TAC and working at McDonald's, but I don't think anyone who's posted on the thread thus far would answer to that description.",
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"text": "HAHA! (I am better at Latin now!)\nI ended up with an MA in Theology and I am presently teaching Senior level Theology at an Archdiocesan high school in Wisconsin.\nBtw - my Dad was won over. When I graduated, he told me he wished he had known about TAC when my siblings were choosing a school, because he was convinced I received the best education. That coming from a Scottish immigrant who never attended college but - through self-study - passed the CPA exam and had his own very successful accounting firm.",
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"text": "Wonderful news, Marie, both about your teaching and your father. Does the high school actually support orthodoxy in the classroom? Or do you have to sneak it in where you can?",
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"text": "Truth is I am inclined to send only a couple kids and TAC is on my short list, but I am thoroughly disillusioned with higher education. Learning a trade for most is financially and in other ways preferable.",
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"text": "Thanks, Jeffrey Bond. I am the Department Chair and have full support of our Admin team, local Pastors, Superintendent and Bishops to teach the Catholic Faith. We are experiencing a real renewal here. All 5 of our lay Theology teachers are grads of TAC or FUS (or both - in my case) and our two part time Priests on the faculty are completely solid. We are the first high school to implement this curriculum/platform - original sources: https://verbum.com/\nVerbum.com | Catholic Bible Study Tools for the Modern Church\nVerbum helps you study the Faith. Understand the...\nVERBUM.COM",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Gustin declared on multiple occasions that \"Mr. Boyer knows everything.\"",
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"text": "Wow. I will check out Verbum. Thanks for the link. And congratulations on being department chair. It amazes me to hear that such a place exists. How many students are there in the high school? And do the other departments support the mission?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Re. The professional stuff. Both my parents graduated from tac, so I guess they saw what you guys are seeing My dad was pretty insistent that I get a real job and work a year or two before college. (A) because older people often benefit more from TAC and (b) because it would help me be confident about finding a job after graduation.\nI'm pretty certain he was right. I hope to ensure that my children have marketable skills by the end of highschool and some on the job experience in the professional world before college.",
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"text": "Edward, is your father one of the founders of the Lyceum in Cleveland? Or is that a different Langley? Was that who you were asking me about last night?",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "We are a \"system\", technically - Pre-K4 through 12. Opened in 2010. \nTwo buildings - elementary in one, middle and high school in the other.\nLast year's numbers: PreK to 5 = 283; Middle School (6-8) = 206; High School = 320. I know the numbers have gone up this year. In May, our Board approved a Catholic Identity Committee to ensure our various departments/extra curriculars are on board. We had to choose 3 action steps per department which we are going to try to implement to improve Catholic identity - so we have work to do - but way, way better than the high school I attended.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Does he work with Luke Macik?",
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"text": "Impressive numbers, Marie. It sounds like a great project.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I wonder if it would be helpful to reverse the traditional expectations of college and high school: vocational studies are often easier to do well than the liberal arts and having professional experience might benefit someone's approach to TAC's curriculum.",
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"text": "Honestly, I think it is the work of St. Joseph. God's grace is really evident.",
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"text": "Jeffrey, that was my uncle",
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"text": "OK. Now I'm getting things straightened out. Is he still at the Lyceum?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah, but he is no longer the headmaster.\nI asked about him, because I think he was at TAC in the late eighties.",
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"text": "that's a grea school. I visited once. Mark is a good man. Happy students there.",
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"text": "Yes, I have met a number of the Lyceum graduates. Very impressive what they are doing there. Mark and I may have overlapped at TAC, but I never had him in class.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's really too bad that Catholic high schools struggle to pay their teachers decent wages.",
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"text": "Amen.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Mark was in John Nieto's class, and they were quite close friends.",
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"text": "that is not the real problem though. The bert teachers dont come for money that isnt there.",
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"text": "I know John Nieto, but he was not a student at TAC when I was teaching there, so I guess Mark and I did not overlap.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I think whatever we do with our education, and that of our children, we need to be solution oriented. To do that, we need to shift our focus from why things went wrong in the World, the Church and academia, and why we have proposed 'such and such' to fix the problem. We need to focus on quiddity. The Logos is what binds the Hellenic tradition with the Christian tradition. The Logos is the Thread. The Logos is the imprint of every good thought; it is imprinted on the all of nature's causes; imprinted on the DNA of nature; stamped into the mathemtaical equation, and onto the syllogism, imprinted onto the metaphor and into the enthymeme. It's the essence of the Sacraments and intercedes in the creation of our children. Every good invention of science, from penicilin to water in the desert, to clean water, to good food for the hungry, the Logos is at the heart of it all. It's the heart of Logic and the fullness of revelation, the Word of God and the Voice of His Church in Her dogma. So in all we do, we need to avail ourselves of the Logos, in Reason and Revelation and Dogma. Not to force it on anyone, but just to present it freely, in its various Catholic forms. The Logos is the healing remedy between medieval science and modern academia.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s62MrU8mHx4\nEthel Merman sings \"Everything's Coming Up Roses\"\nOne of her final appearances...still had it...even then.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "still curious, Joel?",
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"text": "Yes.",
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"text": "I think that the evolution of TAC has lead less toward the inquisitive soul and more toward the safe place for daddy's brood. \nThe education, while great, doesn't set up well for either grad school or professional life (as per Peterson's earlier critique)\nand it puts the student in debt. \nI'd rather my kids went into the seminary, or to a state school for engineering.",
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"text": "or plumbers votech school. Plumbers have saved more lives than doctors",
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"text": "Shouldn't the councils be called \"plumbers of the church\"? That's how the Church has flushed all the sh*t away",
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"text": "I agree. Liberal arts or engineering - I actually started on the latter. As to liberal arts, I am writing her epitaph but maybe she is only mostly dead wherein lies my shadow of a hope . . . but then I generally only see things in hues of gray and black.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I don't think TAC's student debt is all that great compared to other schools, though.",
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"text": "It's better than graduating with a degree in gender studies and $50,000 in debt.",
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"text": "no it isn't... but who wouldn't take 100K in debt at Princeton to start working at a hedge fund for 120K a year",
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"text": "Nobody takes 100K in debt at Princeton",
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"text": "And, seriously, why not have vocational studies at a high-school level?\nYou know, woodworking classes with specified projects and deadlines. Or computer programming classes? You could even do intensive math and science",
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"text": "FOR EXAMPLE, miss bleary eyed literalist",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "what is success?",
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"text": "ok fine",
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"text": "Heaven.",
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"text": "Anywhere you have to take out 100K in loans in probably somewhere that won't get you the king of starting salary Princeton will, is my point",
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"text": "fair enough.",
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"text": "Even if my kids were so inclined to be academics, I'd rather they had a shot at a tenure track job",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Ivy league college financial aid, though, is the exception rather than the rule.",
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"text": "Wouldn't you want your children to not have to worry about finances?",
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"text": "at least not be debt slaves.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Yes and no about worrying about finances. Too much concern: very bad. Too much money: probably worse.",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "I really think the issue of worrying about finances is way, way bigger than a TAC issue.\nWhen we left California, my husband was in a sales job and I was at home with the kids. The only stay at home mom in my neighborhood - AND - the one with the most kids.\nWe came to the Midwest - he took a $50k pay cut and we had a better standard of living here than we did in So Cal.\nUltimately, when the kids went to school, I went to work. It is true that I would way rather stay at home, but we need the money and the health insurance. But - given all that is happened, I do see my work as Providential.\nIn a culture based on contraception and dual-income families, there is undue pressure put on fathers today because you are trying to compete in a totally whacked society.",
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"text": "Thankfully God gives each what each needs. To those who would be destroyed by too little, He gives more. To those who would be destroyed by too much, He gives less.",
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"text": "Boethius had it right on this issue.",
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"text": "That is a whole lot easier to say post hoc, Jeffrey.",
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"text": "but it doesn't put food on the table.",
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"text": "I am not saying it post hoc. I am saying it hic et nunc.",
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"text": "Librarianship has turned out to be a fairly ideal career for me, finance wise. Sufficient money to live upon comfortably but not enough to corrupt my soul.",
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"text": "\"sorry kids, no sandwiches in your lunches because we're broke and out of bread, but God thinks you eat too much\"",
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"text": "I was also fortunate to go to a graduate school that was fairly generous in financial aid so I got out of there without a lot of debt.",
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"text": "You are right, Michael Beitia - about it not putting food on the table. But I would venture to guess that your finances suffer due to your adherence to the Gospel. Open to life.",
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"text": "now I know that God wants me to be poor because being comfortable would destroy me, I'm cool. Everything is awesome, we live in the best of all possible worlds",
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"text": "Any other way of looking at it has bigger problems.",
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"text": "I live comfortably because I'm single. It's just me I have to feed. If I had a family, I would most likely be in your shoes, Beitia.",
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"text": "I don't know if the Dr. Pangloss method is the best method",
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"text": "No, not Dr. Pangloss. Boethius and the Gospel.",
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"text": "we and many i know are getting serious extra crosses. So Michael, if your feeling the crunch it is a good sign really.",
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"text": "I'd probably be better off if I lived in Texas, but I'd rather take a bullet than move back to Texas",
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"text": "Chicago style!",
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"text": "Nope. Everything will never be awesome if you are a Christian.... you are\nliving a life contrary to the culture. But I bet your kids know you love them, even on the days when they have less food than you would like. I'm poor, too, btw.",
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"text": "Texas isn't bad - just bloody hot in the summer.",
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"text": "The heat was my favorite part",
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"text": "Do you recall Sean Connery's character explaining to Eliot Ness the Chicago way?",
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"text": "the Untouchables?",
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"text": "At least it's not super-humid Midwest heat. And the winters are fairly mild.",
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"text": "Yes. Great scene in the Church when Sean Connery's character (I forget the name) asks Ness if he really want to get Capone.",
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"text": "If I knew how to post film clips, I would put it here for you.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E\nThe Chicago Way - The Untouchables (2/10) Movie CLIP (1987) HD\nThe Untouchables Movie Clip - watch all clips http://j.mp/...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Are you all teachers at Catholic high schools?",
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"text": "NO!",
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"text": "Sorry! No offense.",
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"text": "The Lord hates a coward.",
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"text": "(but I did for one year many moons ago)",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Not at all. I'm a librarian, although I do teach Spanish class.",
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"text": "I think I am the only high school teacher here.",
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"text": "i am on extended Sabbatical, licking my wounds and chomping at the bit. I love teaching.",
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"text": "I do teach one Spanish class for adults - might be starting a second one in the fall. I really do enjoy that.",
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"text": "Was the extended sabbatical of your own choosing, John?",
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"text": "God's who crushes the proud. . .",
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"text": "What happened?",
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"text": "i dropped our house on my head. I dont recommend it (jack slipped). But as to schools, i basically had to resign at the last 4 places and still dont think i could have done differently. The liberal arts catholic schools are a warzone. And its one of principalities and powers . . . the things i have seen ",
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"text": "Thoreau talks about the farmer walking down the road carrying his farm (or at least the weight of the mortgage) on his back. You did the old farmer one better and tried to put it on your head. As for your comment about the warzone, I completely agree. We must get together some day and trade war stories.",
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"text": "I'm aware of some of your war stories, Jeffrey Bond. You are a hero of mine.",
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"text": "Aw, shucks.",
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"text": "As a model of doing what is right and fighting in spite of insane pressure....",
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"text": "Truly I thank you, Marie, especially for your prayers.",
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"text": "Joel HF, as a late response to your question: I do not plan to 'send' my children anywhere. I am hopeful by the time they are 18 or there abouts, that they will be able to make a largely reasonable decision about their post-high school ambitions.\nTAC was great for me. In fact, it was nigh perfect. I don't regret going there for a moment. My wife, however, did not go to TAC and having gone to the summer program, she realized that she would hate it. HATE IT. Consequently, I am open to my children going to whatever place best suits them. \nI despise (for good or for ill) things that are done for such tawdry purposes as getting a high-paying job, or having lots of prestige. \nConsequently, such considerations will have no bearing on the counsel I give my children. I will encourage them to do those things that are good in themselves. \nBut I am a fool, and I will always be in debt. So, there's that.",
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"text": "Ferrier What a great post, Daniel Lendman!",
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"text": "I'm undecided about making my children go to TAC, on the one hand are all the horror stories about people who were forced to go to TAC. On the other hand there are people like my cousin Pat Coughlin who, in a toast, said that he was \"grateful to his parents for making the best decision he didn't make\" or something to that effect. He also said something like \"I did freshman year for my parents, sophomore year for my friends and junior year for the program itself\".\nI do think people generally overestimate how much teenagers grasp what is good for them.",
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"text": "In my case, coming to TAC was like coming home: because of my family's atmosphere and because I was always more or less consciously planning to go to TAC, being at TAC seemed like the most normal thing in the world.",
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"text": "God give us more fools like Daniel Lendman",
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"text": "Oh Daniel....... you've still got to pay the bills... and last I checked, \"philosopher-king\" positions were taken. there are a lot worse things than putting your children in a position to succeed more easily, especially because teenagers don't know what is good for them.",
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"text": "Mr. Ferrier! You have graced TNET with your esteemed presence! Now I know the end is near",
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"text": "Nor do adults often know what's good for them.. But both teenagers and adults learn, hopefully after proper guidance, by making choices and then dealing with consequences. Some children might benefit by being told where to go to college, but many would not.",
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"text": "Beitia--I used to worry about the type of students TAC was admitting. During my time there, it seemed to me that TAC had moved from recruiting people passionate about the program but maybe not so much about the rules to people passionate about the rules and indifferent to the program. In other words, they were there because it was a safe Catholic place, and maybe they would even find a spouse. I remember my senior year a sophomore telling me she didn't read Chaucer because her parents had told her it was \"immoral.\" Richard Delahide Ferrier may remember this. He had some choice (and apt!) words on the subject!\nSince then I've met several younger students, and I think my concerns were maybe overblown a bit. My wife and I both have younger siblings who graduated after us (or are still there) and there are still very many \"seekers of the truth\" there, or so it seems to me. For a place like TAC to work, you need good students *and* good tutors.",
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"text": "Well, I've never set foot back in the hallowed Shire since driving up Hwy 14 and tossing an empty fifth of Jack out the window of Booty's Benz. I hear things, but that's all. All I know is that they somehow manage to find my address and send me letters begging for money no matter where I move. One of you jerks out there is selling me out.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "it's me.",
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"text": "jerk",
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"text": "I send Kretschmer emails saying you make 350,000 a year",
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"text": "yen?",
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"text": "I think the best plan in most circumstances is to require at least one year of TAC.",
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"text": "Joel, some people should not read Chaucer. Like 8 year olds. The ye olde english would throw them off.",
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"text": "Calling out Boyer's solecism",
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"text": "\"the the olde english\"?",
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"text": "Oh, pardon me for being colloquial. It should be The \"Ye Olde English\", which would take \"Ye Olde English\" as a (semi)clever unit of speech.",
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"text": "Whole hearted agreement with Daniel Lendman above.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "'Each lecture in the drones series focuses on one of the three basic attributes of the Abrahamic God: he's omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (everywhere), and omnipotent (all-powerful).\nApparently, so are drones.\n\"Drones would be a sort of a microcosm of who God is,\" Young preaches in the third lecture, before briefly explaining each attribute.'",
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"text": "http://www.vox.com/.../drone-god-megachurch-preacher...\nGod is a Predator drone: one Texas megachurch preacher's bizarre lecture series\nDoes comparing God to a drone make sense? Definitely...\nVOX.COM\nAugust 31 at 6:50pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley Discuss.",
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"text": "One, Vox is not an authoritative source of anything. Two, this is definitely stretching analogy, because drones are not actually \"onmiscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent\" not could they ever be those three. Third, the fittingness of the metaphor comes into question, since Drones are not usually tools of anything other than the police or military. The King's power is present in all areas of the realm not only to punish but also to build up.",
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"text": "To return to Daniel Lendman's comment above, I have met too many people who are very smart and well formed in the Catholic intellectual tradition who did not go to TAC to think that anyone MUST go there like it or not.",
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"text": "I left out the ",
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"text": "I figured you wanted discussion for the sake of more post #s",
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"text": "I mostly shared it because it provoked a laugh.",
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"text": "Yeah, I don't think I would force TAC on my children: especially since my brother didn't seem to fit into TAC very well but took to the Army like a fish to water.",
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"text": "On the other hand, I do think TAC provides an opportunity that isn't available many other places.",
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"text": "Ultimately, I would praise and recommend TAC very highly for its strengths. More than any one particular piece of book learning, TAC helped me form (it didn't give it to me, it *helped* me) good habits of thought and an desire to know. If all learning begins with a sense of wonder, it seems appropriate that every class begins with a question, one you may not have thought about. I probably would have done just as well overall for grad school by going to a different undergrad institution. However, TAC is what made me interested in philosophy. It made me interested in areas I would not have thought to look into. I do not think a standard school would have provoked me in this manner.\nI think the habitus which TAC tries to foster in its students is well worth the time and effort, even if one does not pursue a further degree. This doesn't mean that everyone needs it.\nHell, I didn't really get fully into the entire search for truth at TAC until I got slapped around in a don rags for being arrogant and then fell in and out of love with Descartes. Junior Math with Dr. Richard Delahide Ferrier also opened my eyes as well.",
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"text": "And any shortcomings in personality or intellectual biases I gained were not taught to me. Those are on me and my fellow alumni. No tutor told me that I HAD to interpret Thomas in a certain light.",
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"text": "TAC taught me how to articulate arguments and back them up well. That's an ability I can use in all areas of my life and a habit of thinking that was engendered in me by my four years there. I'll forever be grateful to TAC for that.",
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"text": "But I do agree that TAC is not for everyone. And no one should feel pressured into going there simply because their entire family did.",
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"text": "John Boyer, TAC relies on peer pressure to form the requisite Thomistic dogmas.",
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"text": "Like I said, it wasn't tutors. That's on me and the other alumni",
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"text": "Was trolling all of us just a shameless plug for your book, Perescott?",
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"text": "Initially, I didn't want to go TAC. One of my good friends had gone there (class of 1998) and his freshman year he was SO obnoxious. It really turned me off the school. So I was dead set on Christendom. However, I somehow got persuaded into going to one of the very first summer programs. Owen Sweeney, Jen Danner (now DellaCroce - I think), Marco Emerson, Mary Susanka (now Robinson) etc were my prefects.\nI fell in love with it the moment I stepped on campus. After that, I totally forgot about Christendom.\nI had a difficult four years there - the program was challenging and, honestly, going straight from homeschooling to college was probably NOT the best idea - but I'm profoundly grateful for the education I received. But it isn't for everybody.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/slcYzUIPSD4\nThe Mostly German Philosophers Love Song\nA very silly song by J. Boor: http://www.jboor.net/ LYRICS are here: http://jboor.bandcamp.com/track/the-mostly-ger...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Ugh, I am not fond of German philosophers. Although I did enjoy Kant.",
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"text": "--\nIs there any truth to this?:\n\"the devotion to Machiavelli was very strong by the early 90s, there. You couldn't meet a TAC grad who wasn't babbling about how WONDERFUL The Prince was and how you just didn't UNDERSTAND it if you thought it was amoral or immoral\"\nhttp://www.dailykos.com/comments/171907/4494627#c14\nHere's a question-- (4.00) Anyone know if there was any personal connection...\nDAILYKOS.COM",
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"text": "I've always had a soft spot for the Prince. But mostly because Machiavelli is a ridiculously good writer.",
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"text": "But I don't think there's any truth to a Straussian connection among the founders.",
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"text": "After all John of St. Thomas was Bacon's contemporary.",
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"text": "or if there were they wouldnt tell you. CryptoStraussians ",
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"text": "I dunno, Dr. MacArthur wasn't one to hold anything back.",
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"text": "There was no personal connection between Leo Strauss and Ron McArthur, though Dr. McArthur knew Harry Jaffa, the top Straussian at Claremont. Dr. McArthur completely rejected the Straussians. I know this for a fact because Dr. McArthur made that perfectly clear when I interviewed to teach at TAC. Having come from the University of Chicago where I studied under a number of the Straussians (Bloom, Kass, Cropsey and Tarcov), I was asked by Dr. McArthur if I was one. \"That stuff will kill you,\" he told me quite bluntly. But I did not need convincing because I had directly experienced their destructive teachings.",
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"text": "i was kidding. I see nothing to indicate such. Sorry.",
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"text": "No need to apologize. I got the joke. I wasn't addressing your comment, but just the question of any connection.",
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"text": "and I studied for a year with a Straussian at UD. He is partly why I left.",
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"text": "Bolotin's essay on Thucydides (from Strauss and Cropsey's History of Political Philosophy) really helped me in my Freshman year. Yes, I know: we should not have been reading outside sources. But it was really well-written and substantial. It helped me along to thinking about the intention of the author on a deeper level.",
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"text": "Strauss is fascinating, but his followers were mostly nihilists. Whether they were true to the master's teaching is hard to say. His book on Machiavelli is well worth reading. Very clever how he shows how Machiavelli used Livy to secretly attack his real enemy, the Church. Then one realizes that Strauss himself is using the same tactic. His \"attack\" on Machiavelli is really his way of secretly attacking Christianity. The Straussians, at least every one I knew, hated Christianity.",
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"text": "Yes, I agree with Daniel that one can learn a great deal from some of their writings. But their overall mission is, as Dr. McArthur insisted, destructive. I never read Bolotin's essay on Thucydides, but Strauss' essay on Thucydides in The City and Man is helpful.",
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"text": "--\nMr. Langley,\nI was already quite certain about Dr. McArthur, I even spoke to him once on the subject. The apparent Strauss infestation came later.\nI was wondering about The Prince and whether there where TACers lauding it.",
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"text": "The first Straussians I encountered at Kenyon College did a good job getting students to question their moral relativism. The irony of it all, however, is that those students who were truly convinced that relativism was false then became a problem for the Straussians. These Straussians felt it was their job to convince most students to be good citizens of the regime (by supporting the ancients against the moderns), but then to convince the few select philosophers that the moderns were really right. They promoted an exoteric teaching for the many--be a good citizen--and an esoteric teaching for the few--there is no natural basis for morality. Very twisted.",
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"text": "I am not fascinated with Strauss' writings and ideas (although some of the essays are useful, e.g., the essay on the Euthyphro); but, biographically, after my years in Germany, what interests me is the activities of Strauss within the larger German and German-Jewish community (L\u00f6with, Arendt, Heidegger, et al.).",
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"text": "There may be tutors who like things about Strauss on the faculty, but I've never run into a full-blown Straussian in class (or else, I missed it). I never experienced anything like widespread admiration for the Prince: in fact, the closest thing to that is when one of my classmates asked me to stop comparing every work of political philosophy to it.",
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"text": "Strauss obviously had a problem with the Nazis regime, and his investigation into the ancients seemed to have been fueled by his quest for an answer to the problem of modernity. Sadly, what he seemed to find in Plato was a confirmation of the Nazis position. The Nazis position was right--it's all about the will to power--but we need a \"noble lie\" to keep the many from knowing this. I think Strauss simply could not bring himself to accept that Plato actually thought there was an objective order to the cosmos. The Forms for Strauss are just an elegant lie that has a salutary effect on political life.",
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"text": "The Straussians even turn St. Thomas into a exoteric/esoteric teacher. When St. Thomas quotes St. Paul at the beginning of the Summa about providing milk, not solid food, the Straussians seize on that as evidence of a secret teaching. St. Thomas, it turns out, is also a nihilist!",
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"text": "I've heard stories about wacky Shakespeare readings.",
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"text": "Yes. Butcher jobs on Shakespeare. He too was a nihilist.",
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"text": "Jeffrey, why do you think so many nihilists (both in America and Germany) gravitate towards the right wing rather than the left? It fascinates me that so many of these early German nihilists, including Strauss and Schmitt, are politically speaking part of a larger conservative revolutionary milieu that arises in Weimar (not National Socialist but part of that broader intellectual genus). The later nihilists (disciples of Strauss) also seem to gravitate to conservative politics.",
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"text": "As it turns out, for the Straussians--at least the ones I knew--there is really no great thinker who thinks there is an objective moral order.",
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"text": "Ah, the ol' \"St. Thomas was an atheist because the five ways are so weak\" routine.",
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"text": "Is Benardete a Straussian?",
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"text": "Re. O'Connell's question, possibly because hardline nihilism is less conducive to an Epicurean worldview?",
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"text": "Good question, Daniel. I don't really know. When I would challenge them on that very point--in other words, why be one thing rather than the other if there is no support for morality in nature--they would get huffy and say something about how most men need a myth to believe by. Why they cared about the many poor fools, they could not say. One of the favorite words of the Straussians is \"salutary.\" They defend the ancients against the moderns (at least politically) because it is more \"salutary\" to believe in something. But since \"salutary\" has no meaning if there is nothing to be salutary about, their position makes no sense.",
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"text": "But the cynic in me says that they're equally distributed on each side so they can act out their Nietzschean power plays against each other.",
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"text": "In my experience, they were all conservatives (though they thought there was nothing really to conserve). But yes, Nietzsche is their man--though you cannot say that publicly.",
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"text": "Very curious how Strauss defends the ancients against the moderns in Natural Right and History, but he refuses to endorse the most fundamental political teaching of the ancients, namely, that political order rests upon a teleological natural order. Strauss wanted the ancient position without its foundation. I forget the name of the author who exposed this in the Review of Metaphysics many, many years ago.",
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"text": "I see what you mean now, Edward. Yes, the nihilists can pick whatever side pleases them.",
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"text": "And, ultimately Stoicism and Epicureanism seem to produce nihilists.",
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"text": "Speak no ill of Epictetus, though! The Discourses of Arrian is one of my favorite works of late classical philosophy.",
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"text": "I guess a Christian can read it sympathetically, but it seems pretty empty to me.",
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"text": "I find Stoic \"meditations\" or \"spiritual exercises\" (as P. Hadot would have called them) are really effective at helping one to master the emotions. At least it helped me.",
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"text": "\"One never steps in the same river twice.\"",
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"text": "I really only know the Stoics through Cicero, and it never did much for me. By the way, Strauss read his Plato through Cicero, and I think that helps explain his strange twist on Plato. Cicero also wanted to wrap himself in the mantle of Plato's authority, but Cicero was finally a skeptic.",
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"text": "Edward: I'm with you - I really enjoyed the Stoics.",
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"text": "The New Academy championed by Cicero held as its fundamental position that one could never attain certainty. St. Augustine takes this position apart piece by piece.",
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"text": "Augustine is good at taking Cicero and the Academics apart. It strikes me that Cicero's life (as we can judge it by his actions) was to defend the republic from the old families of Rome (on the one side) and the plebs (on the other). Why is another question.",
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"text": "De Officiis is a Stoic tract, so TACers don't really see the real Cicero.",
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"text": "We do get a taste of him, though. I think it's in City of God that Augustine takes up his argument about divine foreknowledge and its inconsistency with free will (which A. demolishes).",
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"text": "Yes. Cicero's de natura deorum presents the Stoic position which Cicero then undermines through the New Academy skepticism. More rhetoric than philosophy.",
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"text": "I think you are right, Daniel, about Cicero's political position. The why is an interesting question. I think he thought his rhetoric could forge an alliance among all men of good will. He could never be a full aristocrat--he was a \"new man\"--but he could not identify with the many either. He saw his oratorical skills as that which could guide the republic. His own rather terrestrial version of Plato's philosopher-king.",
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"text": "I like how Epictetus used a lot of animal metaphors to describe the reason of man. The Stoic's familiar with Aesop. \nConsider, then, from what you are distinguished by reason. You are distinguished from wild beasts; you are distinguished from cattle. Besides, you are a citizen of the universe, and a part of it; not a subordinate, but a principal part. (Discourses, 2)\nFurther, there is a general and a particular end. The first is, to act as a man. What is comprehended in this? To be gentle, yet not sheepish; not to be mischievous, like a wild beast. (Discourses, 3)",
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"text": "To address Edward's question way back when: I think Seth Benardette is a Straussian, but I don't know if he would accept that august appellation. I only heard him lecture once. Three fourths of the lecture on Plato was in Greek. When no one had a question after the lecture was over (because no one understood what he was saying), I asked him if he thought one had to know Greek to understand Plato. He got angry and refused to answer.",
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"text": "I also like the epicheireme of Cicero. It's a much more interesting rhetorical argument that the Aristotlean enthymeme, though it seems to rely on the topics of invention, it is a strongly deductive persuasive argument that embraces a full range of political issues, even today.",
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"text": "Allan Bloom was present at the Benardette lecture on Plato. Bloom laughed scornfully at my question. I thought it was a reasonable thing to ask. St. Thomas, after all, mastered Aristotle with no knowledge of Greek.",
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"text": "Interesting observation, Scott. I found Cicero to be much more interested in how one can move and manipulate an audience's emotions. Philosophy (logic) seems to be little more than an ornament for Cicero's rhetoric.",
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"text": "A point on suicide and the \"control\" of the emotions. It seems a suppression rooted as spiritual writers point out in pride. Thus in the end Portia swallows burning coals. Is that what they do?",
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"name": "David Upham",
"text": "We made it to 10,000. Oh, and just so we're all clear. TAC provides the greatest Catholic, liberal-arts education of any undergraduate institution west of Irving, Texas.",
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"text": "You must be a Dallas man. Brilliant deduction, eh?",
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"text": "I agree, Jeffrey. I think Augustine really pulled all of those emotional arguments under his hat. He never said you need to argue in a particular language either. Usually, only people who are losing an argument make those claims.",
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"text": "Upham, your a closet Straussian. Admit it. ",
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"text": "Isn't every Straussian a closet Straussian?",
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"text": "I think Augustine understood how important emotions are in truth seeking for most people. If you want to appeal to emotions, bring in a few more premises. But who has time for that?",
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"text": "I know David. He is not. ",
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"text": "The further east you go, the more emotional the Catholic liberal arts colleges become.",
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"text": "This is because of the way the sun travels across the country. The Virginia sunsets warm the heart and invites you to bring more and more observations into the structure of the syllogism.",
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"text": "The question of Benardete's links to Strauss is perhaps more fit for a dissertation topic than a short paper, but the New School's Digital Archive has just put much of Benardete's papers online with only a few minor exceptions (e.g., correspondence with those still living and, interestingly enough, Strauss' letters to B.). The link is here: http://library.newschool.edu/.../finding.../pdf/NA000501.pdf\nThe handwriting presents some difficulties, but one can find several interesting pages, including a 4-page letter to Strauss (regarding the Sophist) and some notes on the New Testament.",
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"text": "Anything interesting on the New Testament?",
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"text": "In Virginia, a 5-premised epicheireme to restore all things to Christ. In Texas, a simple enthymeme to set students free. At TAC, the syllogism to be sure.",
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"text": "I haven't read the New Testament pages yet. Still struggling through the letter to Strauss, which poses two obstacles: his poor handwriting and my poor Greek.",
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"text": "I was never impressed by Benardete's writings. He always seemed lost in the minutiae. I thought his essay on Oedipus Rex was particularly weak.",
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"text": "I have to get some sleep. It has been a pleasure conversing with you folks.",
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"text": "Likewise. Here is the link for the NT scribblings:\nhttp://library.newschool.edu/.../SB_01-35_New_Testament.pdf",
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"text": "It's more difficult to read his handwriting than the 15th-c. manuscripts I've worked with.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Goodnight all.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Adrw Lng, re q on Wittgenstein. I like how he identifies important problems and issues. Especially in Blue and Brown books and Investigations. I like the dialectic. Beetle in box is excellent argument against idealism/extreme skepticism. His general style makes me think. I take him to be useful for certain points rather than an overall world view or system.",
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"text": "Great argument against representationalism in Blue book could be reworked to be argument for immateriality of soul. Wittgenstein argues concepts only make sense linguistically but basic point that we do not recognize things by comparing to image shows there must be something immaterial at work.",
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"text": "Never spent any time with the blue or brown books, but good things about them",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Jeffrey Bond: how did you find Kass? I really like his books, but you group him with the Chicago Straussians and their 'destructive teachings' above.",
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"text": "So, in note 62 of the Common Good Book CDK writes the following: \"It has become most urgent to spread the writings of St. Augustine against the Pelagian exaltation of man and of liberty, as well as his writings on marriage.\" http://ldataworks.com/aqr/V4_BC_notes.html#BC_n62\nIt seems clear that sophomore theology at TAC is inspired by the Pelagian part of this remark.",
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"text": "HOW DID I MISS THE WITT MEETING?!?!",
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"text": "\u00ab\"If only one of [Wittgenstein and Heidegger] had existed, who would you have preferred and why?\"\n\"Don\u2019t Sophie\u2019s Choice me! What a cruel interview\u2026 I guess if I had to choose, I\u2019d take Heidegger. As much as I love Wittgenstein, his project is to get me to stop doing philosophy, to perform a philosophical intervention on someone in denial, and damn it \u2014 I like doing philosophy! Heidegger still believes in the ability to use philosophy to learn, and he is still teaching me new things, even after reading him for nearly 20 years. I think that answers the question about their obsolescence as well.Foretelling future histories of philosophy is not a profitable endeavor, but I certainly can\u2019t imagine them fading from view, or even becoming minor characters. If the view of philosophy as a conversation is right, then there are vast swaths of 20th Century philosophy that simply cannot be understood without them: phenomenology, existentialism, post-modernism, logical positivism, ordinary language philosophy, to name a few.\"\u00bb http://www.3ammagazine.com/.../on-heidegger-wittgenstein.../",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I left the conversation last night before your question about Kass. Here's my experience with the man. I took a seminar he offered on Plato's Symposium. Kass, like Eryximachus in the actual dialogue, is a medical doctor. I was amazed how Plato somehow anticipated the typical \"medical\" position on love. Kass actually ran the seminar the way Eryximachus tried to run the drinking party! Just as Eryximachus tried (but failed) to orchestrate the discussion at the party in such a way as to control and limit the erotic/philosophic strivings of the participants, so Kass in his own strange way tried to suppress any real eros for the Good among those in the classroom. (As an aside to the question you are asking, it is worth noting that the entire experience was an extraordinary testimony of the fact that Plato's dialogues, as perfected works of art, really do imitate real philosophical discussion. Students often stress what they perceive to be the \"artificiality\" of Plato's dialogues, yet my experience--and especially with Kass that semester--was quite the opposite. Without going into details, the parallels between the conversation in the dialogue and that in the classroom were astonishing, with Kass having unwittingly cast himself in the rather comical role of Eryximachus trying desperately to keep eros under control.) Kass, in typical Straussian form, wanted nothing to do with the metaphysical questions raised by the dialogue, and he tried to suppress any efforts to discuss those matters. His focus was on the political need to control eros for the sake of the political community. And, of course, Kass had his way because the room was filled with his disciples, whom some of us called \"Kassettes\" because if you pushed their \"buttons\" they would simply repeat whatever Kass had said. Plug and play. Well, Kass asked me to come see him in his office at one point, and there he tried to recruit me into the inner fold. He very solemnly (in Eryximachus like fashion) informed me that his goal was to make good citizens out of most of his students because they could not handle the \"dark truth\" that \"there is nothing out there.\" His mission, as he explained it, was to paint a beautiful myth, as Plato did, that could be placed between the students and the darkness. Kass invited me to join him as one of the myth makers because he and I, he said, could handle the truth. We must, he insisted, present a salutary teaching for the many, even though that teaching was not true. When I asked him how one knew what to be salutary about if there were nothing true, he responded by saying he would not take the question as a challenge, but only as me wanting to know how to respond to my own students someday when they asked me the same question. Truly amazing. It was like a seduction scene from a medieval morality play, an invitation to have a special seat next to the beloved master. It was a very tempting offer for a young man trying to find his way in the big, bad world of academia, but, thanks be to God, there was a Socratic figure in the classroom who saved me from the dark side. Sounds dramatic, eh? I was not a Catholic at the time, but moving in that direction, and my conviction that Kass was wrong, and the Church was probably right, saved me. As for Kass' writings, they can indeed provide some help in some areas, but if you look carefully at what he actually says you will see that he really does not endorse the position he seems to be defending. Kass, for example, is not really a teleologist. That is just part of the salutary myth he paints for the many. Whenever Kass encountered someone who really was convinced that nature is teleological, he didn't know what to do with that person, and he did everything he could to undermine that person's influence in the classroom. Kass did his very best to minimize the influence of the Socratic figure in our Symposium seminar, but he ultimately failed.",
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"text": "\"it is a great temptation to try to make the spirit explicit\" Wittgenstein, 1931, Culture and Value. Anticipating TNET",
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"text": "Wittgenstein, 1937, C&V, on Catholic dogma: \"The effect of making men think in accordance with dogmas perhaps in the form of certain graphic propositions will be very peculiar: i'm not thinking of these dogmas determining men's opinions but rather as completely controlling the expression of all opinions. People will live under an absolute palpable tyranny, although without being able to say they are not free. I think the Catholic Church does something rather like this. For dogma is expressed in the form of an assertion and is unshakable but at the same time any practical opinion can be made to harmonize with it, admittedly more easily in some cases than in others.\"",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson himself is strangely silent on all this Straussianism. Off enjoying his water jet pack, no doubt, the esoteric implications of which--don't get me started.",
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"text": "Wittgenstein was right about an \"absolute palpable tyranny,\" but he did not rightly predict who would be tyrannizing over whom. The tyranny of relativism reigns supreme.",
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"text": "then too what is liberty? cf. Leo's Libertas (with hat tip to Jeffrey)",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond how sad about Kass! I really loved The Hungry Soul.",
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"text": "That is indeed the question, John. Leo, I think, gives us the answer. And without his Libertas we would be in great danger of believing that the religious freedom so much lauded these days is actually real freedom.",
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"text": "Yes, I'm saddened by that as well.",
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"text": "Sad for Kass, yes. But ultimately quite comic.",
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"text": "(I am still pondering Virgil -- nefas indeed -- and have to defend my position that it be properly overthrown. It gives some insight I think into whence the Straussians come. They see only the darkness. Those passages are rich and ambiguous, or at least very difficult.]",
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"text": "Given an earlier discussion some of us had about TAC graduates having difficulty achieving success in the world, I think the tremendous worldly success of Kass (appointed by President Bush, etc.) is worth contemplating. Few come back from the kingdom of success alive.",
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"text": "Straussianism is a curious form of gnosticism. The select few have a special knowledge that \"saves\" them, but their salvation is, as John suggests, all darkness.",
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"text": "--\nJeffrey Bond writes : \"Few come back from the kingdom of success alive.\"\nPerfecting one's art while in turn being a worldly failure is an art unto itself, and an art few wives appreciate.",
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"text": "The fact remains that anyone who wants to read important books and talk about them contra the barbarians today will find themselves in the same room with \"Strausssians\".\nJeff's comments here remind me of my own critiques of TAC.",
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"text": "And whatever your particular experience with Kass (and how long ago was that) it's a but much to simply bash him, of course. A bit of circular firing squad-ism on TNET. His books are often fantastic, and stand apart from someone like Bloom, who was more clearly far worse.\nIF you are telling the truth of your encounter with him, one must consider why he would, over time, work so hard for the sake of myths. My guess is that, over time, he's somewhat conflicted, no? It makes little sense otherwise.\nNone of those Straussians who move in that direction usually sustain it. They become run of the mill modern scholars.",
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"text": "Who's bashing? Did I miss that?",
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"text": "Well, the claim is the Leon Kass is a fraud based on a self-reported conversation that happened at some point in the past.",
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"text": "Also I had 0% encounters with Straussians studying ethics as a grad student, I find \"same room\" comment hyperbolic. Discourse is so compartmentalized these days.",
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"text": "Name another group on the greater scene that wants to read \"great books\" - what would be hyperbolic would be universalizing your own anecdotal experience.",
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"text": "Discovering and sharing the alarming underbellies of prominent scholars is hardly bashing. Deception and fraudulence should be talked about openly",
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"text": "Well, put it this way: we have Kass's books and career on one hand, and we have an anecdote from someone on Facebook on the other. And even if the anecdote is true you still have a lot of thank Kass for.\nBut it's more fun to vehemently disagree withe about everything, I suppose. Hah.",
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"text": "I also think it very hard to write off Cicero as a mere skeptic. He seeks out Aristotle, and holds to him between Stoics and Epicureans. He is a skeptic of a sort, but he's much more interesting and complicated than he is generally made out to be, and he moves far closer towards the natural law than Aristotle does.\nHe's always moving towards Aristotle in a curious way, and moderating stoicism while fending off Epicureanism.",
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"text": "The claim seemed to be that his entire life's work was for the purpose of deception. That's pretty extreme, and also somewhat hard to believe.",
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"text": "It could be true, but I bet this happened early in Kass's career if so, at least 20-30 years ago.",
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"text": "Plenty of prominence scholars are deceptive, at least that was my experience when I \"got to know them.\" I had a similar experience with Jean Porter for example",
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"text": "But bashing Jeffery who first hand saw the destructive influence of the Straussians is ok i suppose? I much more limitedly saw the same.",
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"text": "I'm not bashing him. I'm just cautioning denigrating a lifetime of serious intellectual and political work of a man based on one story about him, especially when he's one of the few somewhat on your side.",
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"text": "Besides I love tons of philosophers who were in crazy error about some stuff",
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"text": "One can respect without being naive. I have a friend who respects them much but at the same time refutes their errors or attempts to (as now he is engaged).",
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"text": "How is what Jeff said similar to your critique of TAC, Matthew J. Peterson? (Also, his critique wouldn't mean that no one could profitably read or engage with Kass.)",
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"text": "and to Andrew while true we take whatever is good we must refute or point out the errors too but more on that later when i will bring up a point on liberty that should bring home the point well (a piece by Pink pater directed me to read).",
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"text": "I think Jeff has a keenly honed sense of the worst of Strauss and Straussians as I do of TAC. Heh.",
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"text": "For what its worth, my conversation with Kass took place in the Spring of 1979 at the University of Chicago in his office. I shared the conversation at the time with a number of other students in the class, especially the Socrates figure in Kass' seminar who provided me with the intellectual means to escape the seduction. I have to laugh to myself as I offer this \"evidence\" in response to Matthew's doubts about my veracity. I see I have been put in the position of a \"rape\" victim who has to bring forth witnesses to the effect that she told friends soon after the rape that she had been violated. (My apologies for the potentially offensive analogy, but a kind of intellectual and even spiritual violation was being proposed by Kass.) For whatever it is worth--and it may mean something to many in this particular forum--God is my witness that I am telling the truth about my encounter with Kass. Having said that, I must add that the purpose of relating this story was certainly not to bash Kass nor put together a firing squad. As Adrw Lng as quite rightly noted, deception and fraudulence should be exposed. Those who admire Kass should be warned of hidden dangers. As for Kass' writings, I have admitted that they can be helpful, so there is no disagreement there. But I think, Matthew, that you are mistaken about Bloom. I knew him quite well and he was very open to serious philosophical discussion (despite his mocking me for my question to Benardete); nor did Bloom try to recruit me into myth making. I strongly suspect that Bloom finally did not think the world was one of objective order and meaning, but he was less interested in imposing that view on his students. Certainly the man had problems, but people knew where he was coming from on those issues. \nNow, why would Kass work so hard to cultivate these myths? That, I think, is an excellent question, and one, you may note, I even asked Kass himself (as I reported in my self-reported conversation!). If you recall, I asked him why bother being salutary if there is nothing to be salutary about? Kass' answer to me was quite unsatisfactory, but that was his answer at the time. Would he answer differently now? Let's hope so. And let's keep him in our prayers. Certainly it is possible he has changed his position since the Spring of 1979. I hasten to add, however, that one of my student who went to Harvard and studied with Harvey Mansfield, Jr., had the occasion to talk with Kass at one of his lectures there. I had warned this young lady about the Straussians, and about Kass in particular, and she discovered through her conversation a Kass who very much fit my description of him. When she spoke with him after the lecture, she made clear that she was convinced (for more than just salutary reasons) that nature truly was teleological, and he then become very uncomfortable, especially after she offered my name in response to his query as to where she had learned about telelogy. Yes, this is all \"self-reported,\" but I would be glad to put you in touch with this young lady if you truly doubt that I am being truthful. So, is Kass conflicted? Let's hope so. Does his position make little sense otherwise? I could not agree with you more. Kass' position makes little sense, yet it has not prevented him for achieving great success. That, of course, is my point.\nFinally, I must acknowledge my debt to the Straussians because without them I do not think I would be Catholic today. My Straussian professors at Kenyon put me on a path, however inadvertently, that brought me to the Church's door. And so I agree with Matthew that they are among the few who read great books, and that their writings can certainly help those who are searching. But buyer beware.",
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"text": "Does 'Straussian' mean anything other than 'post-modern'?",
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"text": "I have no idea what it means to people, but if you are going to call people postmodern who defend much of what you defend and have fought those you oppose politically in serious ways that's on you.",
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"text": "I think Jeff is telling the truth - but that was in 1979, and a lot has transpired since re Kass, and what he has done intellectually and politically speaks for itself.\nIt would make sense that a younger, idealistic (hah) Straussian type would speak thus.\nBut in the decades since, Bloom's Closing of the American Mind was to my mind far more Nietzschean wrapped in anti-postmodern clothes than anything Kass has written.",
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"text": "But sure: let the buyer always beware.",
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"text": "I suppose that what characterizes postmodernity is a looking back to the past for culture and philosophy having recognized (more or less explicitly) that modernity has ruptured our connection to the past and as left us bereft of culture and philosophy.",
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"text": "But I love what Jeff says about Bloom at his best here. Seems very true. I would have loved to study with him.",
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"text": "To elaborate further: Edward Langley noted above that it is my position that, with regards to Theology in general, we are in a 'neo-patristic' period. Not, of course, with regards to authority, but rather with regards to how we stand towards doctrine. I think modernity and its consequent intellectual customs have alienated us from Catholic doctrine. \nI think there is something similar going on in Philosophy; perhaps a neo-pre-Socratic period, where we are trying to find philosophy again, after had been effectively destroyed in the world. This is why I think guys like Heidegger are great, even as I disagree with them. \nAnyway, I was just trying to understand what you meant by Straussian, Matthew J. Peterson.",
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"text": "Matthew, I appreciate your vote of confidence concerning my telling the truth about my encounter with Kass. It is interesting, is it not, that our earlier argument about TAC grads and worldly success has coalesced around the career of Kass. You wrote: \"Well, put it this way: we have Kass's books and career on one hand, and we have an anecdote from someone on Facebook on the other. And even if the anecdote is true you still have a lot of thank Kass for.\" That juxtaposition, I think, is helpful to the debate about worldly success. On one side of the see-saw you place the books and career of Kass. My sorry ass goes on the other side. Clearly on the see-saw of success I am going to be sitting up in the air for a long time. But I would not trade sides with him for the world, and I encourage discouraged TACers to look carefully at the price of success.",
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"text": "Jeff's comments are more than welcome here.\nThey lead to a larger question: to give Leo and friends their best case, teleology makes them nervous because it seems to them, even when one rejects scientism, to be an open question.\nWhich it is. We need to further this debate. We need to push the argument of the Physics, such as it still stands, and see what happens.",
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"text": "Jeff: I'm not talking about Kass's success, but the substance of his actual books and political action.",
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"text": "The best of the Straussians think they avoid this problem by espousing natural right instead of natural law (which is obviously dependent on teleology), but their natural right is either toothless or it too must take nature as standard for an intrinsic reason. Either way, the teleological argument is key, try as one might to get out of it.\nBut we do ourselves no favors if we just assume among ourselves and judge others by means of the hermeneutic of inquisition.",
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"text": "I wouldn't have gone to TAC without the experience of reading \"Closing of the American Mind\" but I came to see that Bloom was a carnival huckster - and thought his success was hilarious...considering who he really was.",
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"text": "Daniel I don't think calling Strauss postmodern as some sort of specifying term is accurate, the way for example you might describe Lacan as distinctively postmodern",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, I know you are focusing on another argument, but do you object to my understanding of postmodernity? Is it a fair to thing to consider Straussians, thus. \nFor the record, in a certain respect, I think we are all postmoderns.",
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"text": "I agree that the apparent substance of someone like Kass can be helpful to bring others to something truly substantial. But it may not. It is much like the role the sophists play in the Platonic dialogues. Should one go to listen to them or not? Kass, Bernadete and Bloom are like Gorgias, Protagoras, Hippias, etc. And their success seems predicated on making whatever is substantial acceptable to those with money to pay for their services. They sell their wares, but they themselves do not really know what is intellectually nutritious and what is not. If you go to their lectures without a Socrates to accompany you, then you are likely to ingest harmful substances. Plato has given us access to these sophists through his writings, but the presence of Socrates in the dialogues saves us from the sophist siren song.",
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"text": "Well - Michael Horton - see Jeff's comments above - Bloom was no carnival huckster, even if he was appropriated in ironic ways by the political right given his underlying views. And Closing was fantastic in many ways.",
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"text": "Also, equating \"success\" with Leo Kass's success seems a bit beside the point, to me. I would just like TACers find satisfying work, and support their families, and get tenure-track jobs when they so aim.",
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"text": "For those who think it is hard to believe someone's entire life's work could be based on deception, I have one word: Maciel.",
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"text": "Glad to hear you think so - it lit me up and I still read it with pleasure. Jeff & I discussed Bloom at the time - it was painful to hear that such a dazzling thinker was an atheist Nietzschean!",
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"text": "OK, but I think we're resisting the idea that Kass is the sort of depraved psychopath that Maciel was",
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"text": "But just as they have an esoteric philosophy, may they not (which is an easier deception) have an esoteric policy? I have not followed Kass but have others.",
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"text": "Obviously when I keep referring to Kass's life and work/political action, I refer on part to his role on the Bioethics council, etc.",
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"text": "Though, I do think it's perilous for Catholics to miss out on the Christian philosophical revival of Benedict and JPII. Kass was so politically accurate on scientific issues of human life, but lacked passion and poetry, in relation to the barbarity of those issues. Human stem cell research and Gosnell are equally wrong for a bunch of the same philosophical reasons, but those reasons seem to fall short of emphasizing the beauty of life or describing the moral outrage in a good way. It's more than an academic trend that has got the world to here, so it will take more to coax it from the cave. Benedict and JPII seem to be the only ones able to descibe those big moral issues in a way that warms the heart.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe, sorry to take so long to respond. Comments are coming out fast and furiously! It has been a long time since I read what Kass wrote concerning stem-cell research, etc., but I remember at the time saying to myself that it was in keeping with the Kass I knew at the U of C. In other words, he was opposed to unlimited scientific study, but his reasoning was weak and only suggestive of the right reasons. I cannot give you particular examples--I would have to look at it again. But I am quite sure it was weak even if it was on the right side of the question. Now, would someone who knew the right reasons be able to do any better politically? Perhaps not.",
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"text": "Plus, Kass speaheaded Bush's entirely unethical stem-cell compromise to allow research on existing human embryonic stem cell lines. I remember that well. We opposed it with everything we had. It was the beginning of the end for Bush, not because of any particular opposition, but poetic justice.",
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"text": "James Patterson - thoughts? No offense taken if you decide to remain prudently silent and do work that will help you obtain tenure instead. Heh.",
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"text": "Well, there is unethical and then there is prudent and necessary compromise and there is the best you can get. And we always dispute which is which.",
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"text": "Very impressive. Thank God for Thomas Aquinas College and for their professors and these kids.",
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"text": "Well, they weren't really called \"pre-existing embryonic stem cell lines\" were they, they were actually called human persons, and they were never created to die as microscopic lab rats.\nPlus, all of the life-saving discoveries are coming from ethical cord blood research, not from these embryonic martyrs.",
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"text": "Jeffrey, it has been a while for me, too.",
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"text": "Please just remember that Kass \"morally authorized\" President Bush to approve human embryonic stem cell \"research\" on the human stem cell lines that had been created at NIH under Clinton. That was the beginning of the end of the Bush Administration, and nothing was learned from that useless slaughter. Bush caved. The cures are coming from ethical research.",
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"text": "My thoughts seem shallow in comparison, but what we're talking about strikes me as the fight between the perfect and the good. I'm more comfortable with modernity tha most traditional Catholics, and I used my APSA paper on Fulton Sheen to make that case. Kass made his arguments and got people to listen. More hardline Catholics made theirs and failed. One can blame liberalism all one wants, but that's an old trick to rationalize failure. The right response is to redouble efforts, perhaps reconsider the rhetoric or argumentation, and take the best from the options given as a result. If not then your only alternative is the front porch.",
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"text": "Scott - in addition to cannibalizing embryos, it is also unfortunate that embryonic stem cell research has moved ahead because it makes somewhat ill-informed pro-life Catholics paranoid about good scientific research. \nThe ice-bucket challenge has raised over $90 million for ALS research. Many organizations are tainted because they participate in some degree in embryonic stem cell research. For example, ASLA has one, privately funded study using embryonic stem cells... Now many Catholics are broadcasting far and wide not to participate in the ice bucket challenge because it is immoral. They have not done their homework on organizations using adult stem cells. \nSo - laziness of pro-life Catholics perpetuates the stereotype that Catholics are anti-science...",
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"text": "Kass's big decision was not perfect vs good though. No good came of it. It was a decision that authorized killing embryonic human life. It was his defining moment, and his only defense is to obscure the pefect vs good rationale. Plus it heralded the beginning of the neo-con reign of terror in DC.",
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"text": "By the way, fundamentalists Protestants tried the feont porch already, hoping to free-ride Mainliners of the first half of the 20th c. How'd that work out for them?",
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"text": "???",
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"text": "Certainly we don't want the best to be the enemy of the good, but I think the debate here is about the good. It is not a failure to defend the truth and be rejected. It is a failure to defend what is false and succeed. Perhaps Kass got people to listen. But what did they listen to? I have to look again more closely at what he wrote, but I recall at the time thinking it was weak and compromised. I will grant that a better argument may not have succeeded either, but that kind of failure doesn't worry me. Prudence has to have one hand on the true principles and the other hand on the circumstances, but it cannot let go of the truth.",
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"text": "Who are you convincing with that approach to stem-cells? You're not wrong, as the Big Lebowski quotation goes, but perhaps...? If folks listen to Kass instead of you, perhaps it's not their fault but yours. Folks listened to Sheen on communism for decades. He did something right. What are you doing wrong?",
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"text": "The point is, permitting embryonic stem cell research on human embryos (stem cell lines), in any situation -- even the human embryonic stem cell lines created under Clinton -- is morally bankrupt. End of story really. That's like saying it's okay for the Nazis to kill the Jews in Auschwitz as the Jews were placced in Auschwitz before D-Day.",
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"text": "So there was something vacant in Kass's philosophy. It did not always support the good or the perfect. It did support an entirely gratuitous and unethical policy in the Bush Administration.",
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"text": "People were fed a crock about embryonic stem cells by celebrities like Michael J Fox and Mary Tyler Moore and Christopher Reeve - and the media lapped it up.",
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"text": "Bush did not even need to take up the issue. Guess who leaked his decision to the WSJ?",
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"text": "Btw - the most successful stem cell programs today are adult - taken from the patient's own body.\nDr. Tony Windebank Mayo Clinic and Dr. Richard Burt at Northwestern University Hospital.",
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"text": "It's not the end of the story, but pretending it is a lovely though false consolation for the failure. There should be no quarter for those who wrap themselves up in the Garment of Truth and proclaim that Americans have failed them. There instead should be earnest prayer for forgiveness because of that failure.",
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"text": "The problem I have with your analysis, James, is that your position seems to suggest prudence needs to figure out how to \"win\". That is not true. Prudence must assess the particular circumstances, but it must do so under the light of what is unchanging and true. Perhaps I misunderstand you, but you seem to suggest that an argument that doesn't persuade somehow has failed.",
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"text": "Suggesting that refusing to participate in the ALS challenge is laziness or confusing the perfect w/ the good is nothing less than laughable.",
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"text": "Then maybe you have not had the same comments in your feed, Andw Lng.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman is neothomism postmodern?",
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"text": "James, i can't take you seriously at all. at all. By prudence we also judge what battles we can fight and hope to succeed in. The deck is sometimes stacked. In any case your ridicule and insinuous accusation is offensive.",
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"text": "ALS isn't laughable - it kills in perhaps the most torturous way imagine able in a number of years - and I certainly think raising money for research is very pro-life. I also think people with ALS will be the first wave of targets the culture of death seeks to eliminate on the other end of the spectrum, and we have an obligation to assist. I'm sorry you find that laughable. \nBy the way - these are my Pastors - picture taken a couple of years ago:\nhttp://www.kenoshanews.com/.../i_would_loved_to_be_healed...",
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"text": "I do make such an argument, and in a democracy it is not enough to be right. You must persuade others too. Preferably those who vote. There are plenty of people making wrong arguments, and they are not doing it for fun, usually, and they often care nothing about you or your Truth. You can stop worrying about persuasion once you've built the Thomistic monarchy that heeds the authority of the See. Until then, make like Tocqueville's priest on Polish freedom and PREACH.",
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"text": "Kass was not persusasive. Kass's stem-cell decision informed an executive act of the president. It was not democratic. During his campaign, Bush stated he would oppose embryonic stem cell research without equivocation. There was no public referendum on the NIH stem cell lines.",
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"text": "The crock re: embryonic stem cell research is completely counter productive.",
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"text": "James - trot out morally confused, ill celebrities (Parkinson's, etc...) promising the moon re: the benefits of embryonic stem cell research and broadcast it to the general public - and couple that with laziness re: ethical, successful alternative therapies - throw in some ignorant and/or lazy Catholics who don't know the difference, make it look like \"pro-lifers\" are anti-science and you have the perfect atmosphere to \"persuade\" voters.",
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"text": "I am still wondering, James, whether you are openly advocating that in a democracy we should make efforts to persuade the many irrespective of the truth. At this point, nothing you have said in response has suggested that you think otherwise. Is it your position that the truth can and should be defended through false means?",
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"text": "Mark my words. The quickest way to derail a career is to say anything close to truth. I have seen it too many times. And they are shouted down loudest of all. I was only recently reading about a whole class of academics and journalists who fear to speak out for this.",
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"text": "Correct Scott.\nLike IVF - a torturous process, also immoral - and yet NaProTechnology which is moral, is a significantly more successful treatment.",
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"text": "I did not know that the high levels of academia were so tyrranical, John Ruplinger; when I was at CUA, I did come across some professors in the English Department who seemed to hate me because of the false ideology they thought I had embraced during my undergraduate years. I wasn't smart enough to take them on, so I just kind of cowered by myself in the library. Bush hired lots of well-informed Catholics who believe in truth without compromise. He just made a couple bone head decisions, on a couple rare that shouldn't admit compromise -- like bombing cities that have cradled Eatsern Christian civilization for centuries.\nI thought universities were all about truth. Truth always rises, like a cork, does it not?",
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"text": "I think this truth at the expense of tenure thing is worthy of discussion, in light of TNET. Tenure is a thread, and so is a four year degree. Can we tie these loose ends together? Should Catholic liberal arts colleges double-down on truth and strategize for a breakthrough in academia, or should they make wise concessions? And does this question make TNET a conspiracy?",
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"text": "If Faith is bolstered by reason, and this synthesis illumines the content of modern academia, how can we lose the argument over time?",
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"text": "True. We are all to blame. I am only implicating the usual suspects (viz. all of us but with distinctions). It is the same in every age. We just think we are better. not so. not so.",
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"text": "Perhaps this conversation is better for suited after nighfall, for this is \"dark business.\"",
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"text": "\"We like to discuss dark business in the dark.\" -- Thorin Oakenshield, The Hobbit, An Unexpected Party.",
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"text": "Come to think of it, James, Tocqueville's warning about the effect of majority opinion on the courtier spirit and national character, its omnipotence and tyranny make the Truth particularly odious. And is that opinion unmolded? [But these are the SAME opinions that Newman speaks of in \"Illative Sense\" as well as in Bacon, to make no mention of Plato and Aristotle.]",
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"text": "Well, I see you all had a busy weekend!",
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"text": "Fear not the confusion of The Thread. That's just the shining light of the sun. Bid farewell to your shackles",
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"text": "Statement: Ernest Hemingway is a better writer than Jane Austen. Discuss.",
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"text": "no one wants my opinion of recent literature. But how do you like Rip van Winkle?",
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"text": "I love that story, John! One of the best American legends.",
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"text": "Secondly, Hemmingway's characters were all just lightly fictionalized versions of people he knew, so if that's what you mean by \"actually real people,\" then sure",
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"text": "Her main characters are incredibly nuanced, and she is the best writer of romance in the ENTIRE ENGLISH LANGUAGE",
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"text": "You don't think there are any better writers of romance than Austen? Austen's romances are so...well, trivial.",
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"text": "What do you mean, trivial? Like, no one dies?",
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"text": "Ha, no. I'm saying the stakes are never higher in an Austen novel than whether or not a young lady is marriageable.",
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"text": "EXQUISITE. James' Lady Blackbird . . . . something of a meretrix running a moulin rouge = Jane Austen writing books.",
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"text": "So the stakes are never higher in an Austen novel then the thing that young lady's ENTIRE LIFE hinges upon?",
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"text": "Lizzy goes to like five places in P and P.",
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"text": "And anyway, so what?",
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"text": "Exactly. So what?",
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"text": "the protagonists in Jane Austen are mostly not guaranteed cushy high class lives. In fact they are pretty much universally doomed to penury and humiliating subservience unless they do marry well.",
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"text": "You know what, I can admit that there might be something missing in my soul, or something broken, that might be obstructing me from enjoying her stories. But I find her infuriating.",
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"text": "Kudos for using penury in a sentence by the way",
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"text": "So, we can be done.",
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"text": "Thanks?",
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"text": "Wow you'd think I helped Mark Twain dig her up and beat her over the head with her own shin-bone!",
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"text": "BTW, you aren't also a former tutor who is 30 years older than me, are you?",
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"text": "But James goes a bit too far and he was an imp himself. Austen's P and P was all right except the ending.",
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"text": "Because I've been unintentionally disrespectful to my elders and betters quite a bit on this thread",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "So your manner changes depending on your interlocutor?",
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"text": "Shouldn't it, ideally?",
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"text": "^Rhetoric 101, seems to me.",
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"text": "Just clarifying.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "well, are you?",
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"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "So when you discover the identity of some of your conversationalists, what was formerly intentional disrespect becomes unintentional disrespect?",
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"text": "Right.",
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"text": "But it's too long.",
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"text": "THANK you.",
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"text": "Of course I'm not. But I am pointing out that you're reacting like I've attacked you personally. I've criticized Austen. Surely you can handle that.",
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"text": "I can handle it. This is how I handle it.",
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"text": "Re: Middlemarch-- too long for senior seminar, I mean, not too long simply speaking",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "You're telling me Emma > The Old Man and the Sea? Okay. Why?",
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"text": "Weren't you the one complaining that nothing happens in Austen?",
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"text": "my comment about your soul was mostly a joke, btw",
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"text": "Wait, I can't tell, are you actually offended? I thought the entire purpose of your comments was to make me flip out",
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"text": "Isak is the son of the ex tutor. Isak is class of 10, I think.",
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"text": "No no, sorry if I gave that impression! The Sparks comment was entirely facetious, I admit.",
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"text": "Actually I just remembered. She belongs in level two. sappy schmooze is not great literature. Just because she makes you swoon . . . but she is superficial. I mean the life she depicts which is not all her fault.",
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"text": "Wodzinski would say that if one didn't appreciate Emma, one should read the Nicomachean Ethics again.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I'm not offended at all and I'm sorry for pushing your buttons.",
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"text": "She is anything but superficial.",
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"text": "Wasn't Wodzinski's favorite movie Army of Darkness?",
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"text": "I don't think nothing happens in The Old Man. It's actually pretty epic.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Ooohhhh.",
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"text": "I agree with John. I think she's charming but that's about it.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No, push away. It's fine. But this is what happens when you do.",
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"text": "Superficial is a better word than trivial for what I mean.",
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"text": "She is only superficial if you think human families and relationships are superficial",
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"text": "havent read Emma in a long while. I will say this. She is overrated and her men are wilting noodles. How did that society reproduce?",
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"text": "Nieto said that when it comes to the English language it was either Emma or Lear.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "John Ruplinger, I refuse to believe that you are serious. If you are, then I'm sorry, but you aren't worth trying to convince",
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"text": "Well if John Nieto thinks Emma is the pinnacle of the English language, then I better take another look. I'm very, very skeptical of that claim.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Samantha, why do you go right for the ad hominem?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I went for the ad hominem after trying several other approaches",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Ad hominems are wonderful - but you don't break out the big guns first ",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "It has to be possible to discuss a book that some love and some despise. Taste can't be the sole arbiter here.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "So how do we do it?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Bingley is a wilting noodle, but Darcy, Knightly?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "the society was superficial. I am overcompensating for too much adulation. I Ioved Austen as a boy. And dont mind watching renditions with the wife.",
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"text": "For the record, IMO, Emma is only Austen's 4th best work.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "aHA. I knew you were arguing against the movies, and not the books",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Hmmm.... I actually think it's her third best",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i read all as a boy.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Haha, I could see that.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "and taught P and P.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Mansfield Park is sappy schmooze? mmmkay",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Well, maybe try them again as a man.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "^HAHA",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Nice.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "It's a misogynistic habit to dismiss books that primarily depict marriage and romance.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Which do you put in first and second, Samantha Cohoe?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Thanks. Set me up for that one, though",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "and taught P and P. And i deserve Samantha's vituperation.",
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"text": "1) Pride and Prejudice 2) Persuasion",
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"text": "No one is dismissing books that primarily depict marriage and romance. Just the bad ones. And anyway why are you assuming men aren't just as interested in those subjects as women? That seems to be a pretty biased statement to me.",
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"text": "disclaimer I have only read the last 30 comments",
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"text": "I think that when that seems to be the main content of the complaint, it's likely motivated by (probably unconscious) misogyny",
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"text": "More than I have! ",
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"text": "Dude, you singlehandedly generated the last 30 comments, at least",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "So once again, your problem is not really with the opinion but with the one who holds it?",
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"text": "Bingly and Darcey are better comparative to eunuchs. yes",
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"text": "No, I'm saying the opinion expressed misogyny",
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"text": "Austen herelf admitted P&P was too too cheerful. but, again, Mansfield Park... her last book, and my personal favorite. it's Austen, but it's got a clear serious moral core",
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"text": "An opinion doesn't express. An opinion is expressed.",
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"text": "eunuchs meaning many of the other men",
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"text": "Sorry? Why?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I have a dog in the Jane Austen fight. Let is all strive to speak like Bingly from time to time.",
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"text": "don't be a pedant. an opinion does both",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "An opinion doesn't express itself. Don't call names.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "what is with this thread spelling names wrong, it's Bingley folks",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Thank you Nina.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "This thread is a big \"people who will never meet in real life but I wish that they have X conversation someday\" dream",
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"text": "Do you know all of us Adrw? Cause I mostly have no idea who I'm talking to.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "'06ers excepted.",
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"text": "No-one has responded on Mansfield Park, so I suggest everyone go read it carefully and then we can really talk Austen.",
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"text": "I once loved Austen but she glorifies AFFECTION and dismisses DUTY. James was right to call her a panderer though he was hardly better.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Dismisses duty? How?",
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"text": "unless John is preparing one of those massive posts right now, in which case I will gladly eat my words.",
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"text": "Also, what is wrong with affection?",
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"text": "Um, Mansfield Park. Again.",
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"text": "Also, what about Emma's filial duty to her father.",
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"text": "Mansfield Park is extremely duty-focused, but it isn't her best work",
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"text": "While we're on the subject of Senior Seminar, can someone explain to me why the greatest novel of the 19th c. isn't on the list? What is with the absence of Stendhal's Charterhouse of Parma? Is it because he was a Bonapartiste?",
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"text": "Possibly the most noble aspect of Emma's personality.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Huh, haven't read that. Is it really that great?",
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"text": "well now you will make me reread her. Talk me into it.",
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"text": "Amazeballs. So good.",
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"text": "Emma or Mansfield?",
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"text": "I didn't discover Stendhal until I was 31, but since I did, I've read just about everything he wrote. But Charterhouse of Parma is his masterwork.",
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"text": "Samantha I know most of the people who are in the younger grades commenting on this thread, from working at the college. \nAnd Hemingway has his moments of greatness, fwiw",
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"text": "Do chicks dig Darcy? If so, why?",
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"text": "Well I would say Mansfield...",
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"text": "People have fewer notions about it than her other books so it's easier to read without getting biased one way or another.",
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"text": "I haven't heard of \"Amazeballs.\" Who's it by?",
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"text": "My description of Stendhal's The Charterhouse of Parma. ",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Andrw Lng apparently, I cannot tag you, haha. I did want to chime in and say I thought A Moveable Feast was an enjoyable book.",
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"text": "Untergang des Abendlandes: http://www.nbcnews.com/.../cray-yolo-amazeballs-added...\n'Cray,' 'YOLO,' 'Amazeballs' Added to Oxford Dictionary - NBC News\nPop culture and Internet slang are becoming more...\nNBCNEWS.COM",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "^ our lives are a facepalm",
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"text": "you heard it first here on TNET!",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Like Darcy, every lib'rally educated man should come with carriages and castles.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "To be clear, I did once love Austen but her star has faded. My taste is for Pomeral or fast from wine. So take my criticism with that in mind.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Me and movies dont get along any more. My poor wife.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "BTW i drink box wine. But i can afford good books. Which are most, free.",
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"text": "Have I mentioned that I really enjoy New Scott?",
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"text": "--\nThe problem with Emma is that Austin didn't persuade me to care one way or the other about any of her characters and I in turn did not care what happened to them. \nI mean other than the father, she did persuade me to want to throw him down a well to save him from is his miserable self.",
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"text": "And thanks for the recommendation, Daniel. I will read this \"Amazeballs\" of which you speak.",
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"text": "Mansfield it is. Are there any men in it?",
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"text": "Franklin Salazar has advanced the only good criticism of Emma so far. Emma is a total brat, so it's pretty easy to get fed up with her. Really, though, let's at least spell Austen right.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Maybe Emma is Austen's fourth best, Joel.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "yeah. I just membered Emma was the only i never liked.",
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"text": "uhhhhhh. you troll",
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"text": "Jane Austen? The best writer of romance in the English language? You guys are cray",
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"text": "--\nSense and Sensibility in contrast persuades us to care very much about the outcome. Or compare Emma to David Copperfield, \nUriah Heep the best villain all time falling short only of dracula makes us care deeply about the outcome.\nI want a book to rip at my soul where I'm in fear of what is to come of the characters.",
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"text": "I wish we had a Jane Austen or Harriet Beecher Stow today. Sheer artistry and ability to capute the shades of emotion, like a masterpiece painting. What light they could shed on today's issues, so that the public could make right judgments about pressing issues.",
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"text": "Jane Austen = Albrecht Durer of masterpiece painting.\nPaints a wicked rabbit though",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Michael-- Care to advance another candidate?",
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"text": "Let's talk about the issues.",
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"text": "No, I'm a critic. I only tear things down",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and as far as \"owes a debt to\" Aristotle owes a debt to the pre-Socratics, but you wouldn't say that he passed them by?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Let me know what you think, Samantha. The Penguin edition has a good translation.",
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"text": "I am all for spelling author's names right. Hemingway included.",
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"text": "That was just my \"first of all.\" But I don't think the debt is the same, Hemmingway's is much greater. And regardless, he didn't surpass her",
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"text": "oh no, Hemingway sucks",
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"text": "too",
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"text": "At least you are consistent",
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"text": "I know you guys' scam, you're just trying to whip up the masses so we get past 1100 before midnight.",
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"text": "It's like Durer's painting of a beetle.... looks like a beetle... life like. Masterfully done. But at the end of the day all you have is a painting of a beetle.",
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"text": "I like domesticity. It's interesting. It's an enormous part of life. It is not comparable to rabbits.",
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"text": "have you read Watership Down?",
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"text": "No way. Austen is writing about courtship and marriage, which is a lot bigger than a beetle in a painting.",
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"text": "I know it's about rabbits, though",
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"text": "Flannery O'connor is swell. She was a good sport. Loved the peacock too. The king of birds.",
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"text": "Question: is domesticity intrinsically more interesting to women? (Please don't kill me)",
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"text": "If it is, then that's a fault of men Adrw.",
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"text": "Samantha, going on an international bender is one thing I regret never having to regret",
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"text": "Me too. Too late now, though. I'm old and responsible.",
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"text": "Elaborate your point about men and the household Samantha ?",
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"text": "It inspired a _lovely_ anti-Catholic speech from my instructor when we were reading it in high school... so I may be biased.",
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"text": "^if that works for horrible\nthen Austen is banal",
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"text": "Samantha, thanks. Even so, is it possibly still just more interesting to women? Fault vs. difference?",
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"text": "Sorry, Joyce just goes from glory (Chamber Music poems) to glory (Dubliners) to glory (Ulysses) as far as I'm concerned. The only place I can't follow him is into Finnegans Wake. But I (sometimes) blame myself for that.",
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"text": "But when exactly did women start liking Austen better than men?",
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"text": "See, this is why Mary Ann Evans wrote under the name George Eliot. If Jane Austen wrote under the name Thomas O'Dell, would we find her better or worse for it?",
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"text": "A mental exercise I propose: Pick up Emma or one of Austen's other novels and read it as if it had been written by a man. How would you (do you?) judge it differently...?",
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"text": "I think men would still have noticed that women liked it, and consequently make dumb criticisms such as that it is \"shmaltzy\" or \"mushy\" or whatever.",
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"text": "pronounced like canal.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "But yes, the rest of you try what Daniel suggests",
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"text": "I'd rather re-read something worthwhile",
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"text": "I imagine you are a man, Tim",
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"text": "I'm confused. I blame the aforementioned gin and the fact that I'm on my phone so you people move too fast.",
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"text": "Imagination rhymes.",
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"text": "NO. James said he would have shot himself had he lived in Austens society. He wrote a long novel to torture the reader while scorching Austen. Nina",
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"text": "I might have shot myself, too, if I had lived in Austen's society",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Isn't the wicked in Wuthering Heights less banal?",
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"text": "If Guy Davenport can't convince me to like Joyce no one can",
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"text": "Yes let's talk about how awesome Wuthering Heights is",
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"text": "No!",
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"text": "Wuthering Heights is a POS.",
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"text": "I actually did reread it recently",
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"text": "So did I. It's terrible!",
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"text": "It is a strange book but I love the narration style.",
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"text": "--\nNot an insult, I like girl writers, Edith Wharton for instance.",
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"text": "I'm supposed to be working, would you guys stop saying stuff about literature? This is cocaine to me.",
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"text": "The third party \"witness\" narrator is one of my favorite literary devices.",
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"text": "--\nA modern girl writer I like is Elizabeth Kostova \nThis line is nice:\n\u201c[I]t seemed to me now that a Catholic church was the right companion for all these horrors. Didn't Catholicism deal with blood and resurrected flesh on a daily basis? Wasn't it expert in superstition? I somehow doubted that the hospitable plain Protestant chapels that dotted the university could be much help; they didn't look qualified to wrestle with the undead. I felt sure those big square Puritan churches on the town green would be helpless in the face of a European vampire. A little witch burning was more in their line--something limited to the neighbors.\u201d\npage 198",
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"text": "from The Historian, right?",
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"text": "So sad that I missed the discussion of Austen, but I enjoyed reading the banter. One thought comes to mind. I think Austen aims at and achieves something relatively small, but she does it well. And I like her for that. Having made that confession, I hasten to add that she cannot compare to the truly great novelists, such as Dostoevsky, who aims at and achieves something absolutely magnificent. Austen is Monet; Dostoevsky is Michelangelo. I like Monet, but I am awed by Michelangelo.",
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"text": "How about Mary Shelly?",
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"text": "except Austen is the Durer painting of the rabbit, Jeffrey.",
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"text": "Austen's settings are small, but her themes are not.",
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"text": "Shelly's Frankenstein is just paraphrased Rousseau. I'm not impressed.",
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"text": "burden of proof is on you",
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"text": "Well said Jeffrey Bond and Joyce is a noisy Damien Hirst",
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"text": "More like Austen is Vermeer. And I'd say Vermeer and Michelangelo are doing different things, but are equally impressive.",
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"text": "still better than Percy Shelly",
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"text": "I thought Kostova wrote a pretty worthy successor to Dracula in that book... at least she took the vampire thing seriously, which most authors seam incapable of doing even when they try.",
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"text": "Vermeer painted people. That's too high brow for Austen",
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"text": "Here's the proof. Read Rousseau's Second Discourse. Then read Frankenstein. You'll think you are reading the Cliff Notes to Rousseau.",
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"text": "Percy Bysssssshhhhhe Shelley?",
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"text": "Her themes are courtship and romance and family and class and money and society! Those are not small themes!",
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"text": "yes they are",
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"text": "You are hopeless.",
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"text": "I don't want to be combative, but those are not themes. Those are subject matters. A theme has to say something about a subject matter.",
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"text": "yes I am",
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"text": "Lower middle class women being constantly on the edge of ruin is a small theme?",
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"text": "Does it?",
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"text": "I have never heard that.",
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"text": "But then, I went to TAC",
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"text": "Nina, that's pretty much all times in all places. Universality doesn't make is a large theme",
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"text": "Again, that is not a theme. A theme must say something about such women in that state.",
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"text": "Wouldn't that be a thesis?",
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"text": "Serious question-- I have never taken a conventional lit class in my entire life.",
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"text": "antithesis synthesis. . . and we're back to Hegel",
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"text": "I never heard it before either, yet a quick google told me the following: \"It is important not to confuse a theme of a literary work with its subject. Subject is a topic which acts as a foundation for a literary work while a theme is an opinion expressed on the subject.\" http://literarydevices.net/theme/ Huh!\nTheme - Definition and Examples of Theme\nDefinition, Usage and a list of Theme Examples in common speech and literature. Theme is defined as a main idea or an underlying meaning of a literary work which may be stated directly or indirectly.\nLITERARYDEVICES.NET",
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"text": "::cleans out ears:: we are talking about female virtue not being an important subject? Let's switch to subject, since I agree it's a better word.",
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"text": "For example, revenge in Hamlet is a subject matter, not a theme. To claim that revenge is destructive of human life is a theme.",
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"text": "The return to Hegel is a leitmotif of this thread.",
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"text": "It's like that chord in Wagner.",
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"text": "Thank you Katherine Gardner.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "so what's the antithesis to Austen?",
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"text": "Samantha I also have no idea about literary analysis",
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"text": "the synthesis is Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, right?",
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"text": "I just read stuff.",
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"text": "--\nNina Rachele,\nHave you read Whitley Strieber's The Hunger, what do you think of it as successor?",
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"text": "Speaking of which, I'm off to read Gadamer on Hegel and the ancients. Good night to all! Samantha: Get to work! ",
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"text": "A theme is writing about red rider BB guns that have a compass and a thing that tells time. Duh.",
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"text": "I have not, though it sounds familiar.",
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"text": "well we hit 11K. . .. my work here is done.",
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"text": "Jane Austen is great.... timeless classics about the best of all possible subjects\nthen drops mic",
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"text": "*exeunt omnes*",
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"text": "::shakes head::",
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"text": "you kids... (who are all older than me...)",
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"text": "Thanks everybody. Glad we had this talk.",
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"text": "ED it had just simmered down shhhhh",
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"text": "So, I think Crime and Punishment can't begin to match War and Peace: sure it might have better characterization and such, but Tolstoy is much better at constructing a plot that helps one see his view of history.",
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"text": "^ nope.",
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"text": "I mean, sorry, I do think Crime and Punishment is a better novel.",
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"text": "Every single one of Dostoevsky's characters has a diseased mind",
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"text": "It would be, if you took out the philosophy of history stuff.",
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"text": "John, you are just... the worst.",
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"text": "Let's have a fight between Crime and Punishment and Anna Karenina instead.",
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"text": "No, please. Have mercy. That is even more like cocaine to me than the other stuff",
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"text": "--\nAnna Karenina is just depressing. It's like watching one long train wreck into oblivion. Not unlike watching Becky Sharp.",
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"text": "I mean the intro to the Pevear/ Volokhonsky translation",
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"text": "And I have read War and Peace a couple times leaving out the philosophy of history stuff and it works just great.",
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"text": "I never liked Austen...and that Nieto or anyone else does, does not sway me on that point. \nA group of us, after the Austen seminars went out drinking and quoting battle scenes from the Iliad and Odyssey to each other...that was glorious.\nDon't get me wrong, I recognize a technical skill there. But as with any fiction there is a certain subjective element. Maybe because the setting, landed gentry, does not appeal to me or because the sentimentalist works she satirized are not works that I have any knowledge of save that they existed...how could one appreciate Cervantes if they didn't have at least a basic idea of what works of chivalry and courtly love were like?\nNot to mention the extrinsic context...liking Austen has very frequently been used as a criterion by literary snobs.\nNow maybe if I were more familiar with sentimentalist works, or the cultural context, etc I would appreciate Austen more. But frankly I still would find it short of my appreciation of \"lesser authors\"",
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"text": "It's not \"depressing.\" It is tragic! Would you call Oedipus Rex \"depressing?\" King Lear?",
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"text": "\u201cIt is not a novel, still less an epic poem, still less a historical chronicle. War and Peace is what the author wanted, and was able to express, in the form in which it is expressed.\u201d",
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"text": "--Tolstoy",
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"text": "https://tableau.uchicago.edu/.../04/why-read-war-and-peace\nWhy Read War and Peace? | Tableau\nThere are novels. There are long Russian novels. And then there\u2019s War and Peace. The book\u2019s complexity and...\nTABLEAU.UCHICAGO.EDU",
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"text": "Nina, Tolstoy had some delusions about himself. He was a truly great novelist, but that wasn't what he wanted to be, sadly",
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"text": "I did read his \"What is Art?\" for my thesis so I know he was pretty odd.",
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"text": "Poetics is a lot like math. We all have our favs, but is there a rule by which we can say this is good or true? Cicero prescibed a form for rhetorical speech, an equation called an epicheireme. There is a literary demonstration, playing on the imagination.\nWar and Peace is longer than the Bible.",
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"text": "Yeah. I am familiar with the article;) i think there is something about the novel being the form of literature wherein men explore value. (In distinction, to say epic, which has a different relationship to value). War and peace would set the bar quite high",
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"text": "I dunno, the nobility of the action depicted is a fairly objective standard by which to rank novels and other literature.",
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"name": "Franklin Salazar",
"text": "--\nMiss Samantha,\nTragic and depressing because you spend the entire novel watching Anna Kerenina throwing away happiness.",
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"text": "Yeah, everybody should read it once with all the philosophy garbage, to get Tolstoy's complete picture. Then they should read it every time after that without.",
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"text": "All the philosophical stuff in Tolstoy definitely is a welcome respite from having to read literature.",
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"text": "War and Peace is a big long demonstration, required a big story board, about 1500 times bigger than the death star prop.",
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"text": "I don't think that's what she is doing, Franklin. She isn't happy at the beginning of the novel.",
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"text": "The only problem I had with W&P was that it took 200 pages for anything to get going.",
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"text": "The Idiot by Dostoyevsky was better than his Crime and Punishment or the Brothers K, and does not get enough love.\nTolstoy? I think I agree with Mrs. Cohoe about how to read him",
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"text": "From what my wife has said about Anna Karenina, it sounds like an epic version of the Doll House.",
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"text": "Yes, before I had to read it for school I tried and failed to get into it.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "NOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOooo",
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"text": "They are both about women in unfortunate marriages. That's it.",
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"text": "--\nMiss Samantha\nI suppose it depends on how one defines happiness. She can't be happy outside of her family and her son.",
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"text": "And Karenina has 100% more adultery.",
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"text": "Yes.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "have any of you read the Tolstoy short story \"Family Happiness\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "So a cross between Doll House and Mansfield Park?",
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"text": "I feel like an idiot. When Langley said Doll House, I thought of Joss Whedon's Doll House and had no idea what he was thinking....",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "^ Hahaha wow...",
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"text": "Anna Karenina is not a \"version of\" nor a \"cross between\" anything!",
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"text": "Nina, at one point I read a bunch of short stories by Tolstoy, but I don't remember any particulars.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "It's more like a novella, so you probably haven't read it.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That's not an alternate title for Kreutser Sonata, is it?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "So about the length of that book about the dude who fell while decorating his house and died all over a couple hundred pages?",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "I think you would remember it... anyway, it's a good read in addition to Anna Karenina.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "No.",
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"text": "Shakespeare alone >>> Russian literature",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "It is sometimes published on its own, like the death of ivan ilyich",
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"text": "That's the one I was thinking of, Is it a similar length of a read?",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "this thread is the king of apples to oranges comparisons",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Yes, about the same length I think.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Deacrates was good at math, but lost control of imagination, lost all integrity, lost the good and beautiful.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Katie Duda is the Nickell companion to W&P worthwhile?",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I've read family happiness, why?",
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"text": "Well, we had started debating about whether Anna was happy before her affair.",
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"text": "And I thought that story kind of helped show what Tolstoy thought marriage was aiming at.",
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"text": "TNET> Russian literature and shorter ",
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"text": "Pakaluk I literally just joined facebook on account of this thread.",
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"text": "Bleh, I don't care what Tolsoy thought marriage was aiming at. I care about his art.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Hey John Henry.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I remember you.",
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"text": "Pakaluk \"Samantha Cohoe ANNA KARENINA IS THE GREATEST NOVEL EVER WRITTEN\". I'd like this a million times if my opinion mattered.",
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"text": "Ok, that's your call.",
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"text": "Joel HF. I would say yes. But he's my advisor... In honesty, he knows the Tolstoy family backstory really well/ cultural context is his thing. I would say, if you saw \"last station\" and were intrigued, his book on the death of Tolstoy is excellent.",
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"text": "Nina, I think Leo's views about marriage changed quite a bit during his career.",
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"text": "Another way of saying that is that he went way off the deep end.",
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"text": "An excerpt, in case anyone's interested. http://m.us.wsj.com/.../SB1000142405274870357170457534085...\n'The Death of Tolstoy'\nRead an excerpt from the introduction of 'The Death of Tolstoy' by William Nickell.\nONLINE.WSJ.COM",
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"text": "^just added it to my reading list ",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yet another famous historical character marred by a troubled relationship with his parents.",
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"text": "Sorry Nina, the reason I'm dismissive of Tolstoy's view about what he wrote is that I think he let his philosophy get in the way of his greatness as an artist, more so as time went on.",
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"text": "like Winston Churchill",
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"text": "I think what he intended to do with Anna is very different than when he actually did.",
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"text": "Sort of an Ion situation.",
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"text": "I always found it fascinating skimming the biographies of the various philosophers we read junior and senior year. two out of three enlightenment philosophers seemed to have gotten into a philosophy as a way of showing their parents (one, the other or both) what's what.",
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"text": "No, you're totally entitled to your opinion. I guess... I just really enjoyed what I have read of Tolstoy, and haven't done a ton of other readings on the subject other than a few essays.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Although, arguably W&P's purpose is to illustrate his historical philosophy.",
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"text": "^basic reading^",
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"text": "from a guy who says \"Heidegger isn't saying anything\"",
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"text": "TBF, Leo didn't have to go far to go off the deep end. Not really the most stable of men, even when young.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(That was a fun class: a three way war between those who wanted to ignore the historical stuff, those who wanted to ignore all that literature and those who wanted to read the literature through the philosophy).",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "It is interesting how W&P, Demons, and Fathers and Sons all cover kind of the same basic theme",
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"text": "Demons is the best of the three IMHO",
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"text": "I would love to read a big essay talking about the political and generational themes in those works.",
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"text": "Michael, I actually liked alot of Heideggers's stuff on language.",
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"text": "War and Peace is longer than the Bible, but you can't apply dogma to it like you can Scripture. You can apply rules of poetics though, and these rules are consonant with logic.",
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"text": "oh and to respond to Scottegrine's bald lie above:\nWar and Peace has 587,287 words. The KJV Bible has 783,137",
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"text": "Haha, Demons is my least favorite Dostoevsky book...",
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"text": "Russian literature is a little overrated. I have read i think all of Dostoyevsky, not so much Tolstoy. But all is not well. Really think one has to roll back the clock a bit for great lit. Form and substance have diminished.",
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"text": "my favorite",
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"text": "John Henry--how did you even hear about this thread?",
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"text": "I think it took me too long to read, it was seriously at least a year.",
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"text": "In Russian, War and Peace is longer.",
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"text": "Though I guess I went from scorning facebook to commenting my ass off b/c of TNET.",
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"text": "^still false Scott",
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"text": "I can't weigh in here in terms of quality arguments:\nBut to say any novel by Tolstoy or Dostoevsky is overblown is rather shortsighted. There are Tolstoy people and Dostoevsky people. I could talk about this at length.\nOne note on late Tolstoy. It's a huge conundrum... Death of Ivan ilych, hadji murat, kreutzer sonata (and Russians think resurrection is a beautiful novel) are all written late, along with \"what is art\" and some other essays of interesting ideas. But one thing that unites them is a struggling experiment to see where art fits in the world. It's also there in w&p with Helene/ Anna k with the portrait. It's done so much more precisely in his art than in his essays. But his essays shed light on those questions.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "But both are close to half and million.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger--you are this thread's resident hater now. Russian literature, fairy tales, Austen--all crap!",
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"text": "I sense a Straussian esoteric strain to the 100% new Scott Weinberg",
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"text": "Also, as he was a big fan of Rousseau, his confessions which usually mark off \"late Tolstoy\" are interesting.",
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"text": "we're ignoring lesser Russian authors too, like Lermontov, Goncharov, Gogol, Checkov, Pushkin.....",
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"text": "What criterion do you use to assess literary quality, Michael Beitia? Is it just if you like something?",
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"text": "I'd hardly call Pushkin \"lesser\"",
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"text": "Chekov without a c",
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"text": "no, how it fits in with my #gnosis",
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"text": "I really liked Resurrection a lot as well, but not a ton of people have read it (the anti-sacrament stuff in there is a bit much though)",
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"text": "I DID NOT SAY THAT.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "is that gnosis thing the same for math?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and Thomas",
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"text": "Pushkin isn't read at TAC .: lesser",
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"text": "bwahahahaha",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "Scott, it's not Chekov either...",
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"text": "Pushkin was basically Russia's Shakespeare, from what I can tell of his reputation among Russians.",
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"text": "Katie-- you are right, it was oversimplification to say that I'm simply not interested in what Tolstoy thought.",
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"text": "I type too fast:\n\u0427\u0435\u0445\u043e\u0432",
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"text": "or Chekhov",
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"text": "They are overrated. Dostoyevsky was my favorite novelist for many years. The novel does not measure up too the older literature.",
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"text": "I disagree, John",
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"text": "Except all literature is a footnote of Homer",
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"text": "'\"Come, that's good! How can you maintain such a paradox? If you are serious, that is. I cannot allow such a statement about the landed proprietors to pass unchallenged. Why, you are a landed proprietor yourself!\" cried Prince S. hotly.\n\"I suppose you'll say there is nothing national about our literature either?\" said Alexandra.\n\"Well, I am not a great authority on literary questions, but I certainly do hold that Russian literature is not Russian, except perhaps Lomonosoff, Pouschkin and Gogol.\"\n\"In the first place, that is a considerable admission, and in the second place, one of the above was a peasant, and the other two were both landed proprietors!\"'",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "is literary gnosis the same as math gnosis>",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "chekhov with h sometimes too?",
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"text": "I was just rambling. Not criticizing. But I do recommend hadji Murat to anyone who loves Tolstoy. It's considered his final work.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "is math gnosis counting, and literary gnosis spelling, mr beitia?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well, Katie does know Russian.....",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "John Ruplinger--ah, but is Fyodor Dostoyevsky a secret gateway to magic cults?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "joyce is brilliant in some respects, but he chooses the wrong things to imitate in some respects, like stem cell research chooses to view the wrong data sometimes.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "it's tolstoyevsky",
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"text": "Scott, sorry I don't follow your metagism there.",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "True dat. X (Cyrillic)= ch (German of Bach) or transliterated in by the library of congress these days as \"kh\"",
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"text": "I even really enjoyed Berdyaev's philosophy",
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"text": "hm, i wonder if there's some formal way we are viewing literature, or is it just counting and spelling gnosis?",
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"text": "Is there a \"wtf\" button on FB?",
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"text": "Wait, you think Dolly and Stiva were always on the bring of being saved? Even though Stiva never actually repented or intended to be faithful to Dolly?",
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"text": "Scott--aren't there unhappy families that are faithful? Or am I missing what you mean by the word \"faithful\"?",
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"text": "Oh yeah, never mind. I was misreading him.",
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"text": "\"On the brink\" is strong. They are perhaps the most tragic couple in the novel, because, Stiva knows what will bring happiness and peace to his family, but remains selfishly lecherous. But I think that their fecundity is an indication of their family being ordered to that happiness.",
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"text": "Why does AK jump in front of a train?",
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"text": "No, no, don't talk to him. Talk to me.",
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"text": "I meant jump as opposed to flacidly falling? She jumps, like a bird leaping off a rock. What brings her to jump? How do we get from the opening line to this? How does Euclid get from \"equals added to equals\" to the final proposition?",
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"text": "Charity is the form of all the virtues. Under its influence, CHASTITY appears as a school of the gift of the person. The virtue of chastity blossoms in friendship. Whether it develops between persons of the same or opposite sex, friendship represents a great good for all. It leads to spiritual communion. Fidelity expresses constancy in keeping one's given word. God is faithful. The Sacrament of Matrimony enables man and woman to enter into Christ's fidelity for his Church. Through conjugal chastity, they bear witness to this mystery before the world. (CCC: 3, Sec. 2, Ch. 2 article 6)",
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"text": "I think that is part of it. (I was looking for my copy, but I boxed up a lot of non-dissertation books.) Stiva is not a \"family\" man, but he does resolve to try at one point (and continues to fail). He is intemperate through and through, but as he and Levin had once been friends, Stiva reads to me as a weak man with corrupted habits.",
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"text": "My read, and I am very ignorant on this subject, is that Anna herself is more obvious. Cause and effect, if you can call it that, are seen most clearly in her, and around her. These characters are just phantasms, making the same argument, building the same case about humanity and nature.",
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"text": "The tragedy. The catharsis.",
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"text": "The city is never a good place, and Stiva also refuses to leave the city for most of novel and Dolly is always attending to the needs of the family by taking them out of the city to reduce their expenditures. He refuses to really tend to his family. So in addition to the affairs, yes, he is not family oriented. The possibility really lies more with Dolly. He sees her as an excellent mother, he fails to see that as better than societal pleasures.",
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"text": "Demonstrative of a bigger picture.",
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"text": "Tequilla!\nSee Translation",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "John Boyer lets talk LW and Anscombe",
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"text": "I would but I'm drinking and reading Descartes for class tomorrow. ",
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"text": "I'm very impressed with her despite the fanboyism surrounding her...",
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"text": "Yes",
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"text": "I LOVED her essay on causality.",
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"text": "NB. I did misspeak with this statement about the Oblonskii's \"who are always on the brink of being saved and are able to be reunited and renewed constantly.\" Not so much constantly, but they have 8 children (a lot by the standard of the book), so there is implied potential renewal in the implied unions. (ok, I am done for tonight) Spokoi!",
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"text": "Haven't read much of her stuff on ethics though.",
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"text": "Ok I can't really either I'm doing the damn dishes I'm sure we can talk whenever here",
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"text": "Yeah. I'll look forward to it! ",
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"text": "Let's include Philippa Foot in that discussion about Anscombe shall we? Philippa Foot and Iris Murdoch, two (sort-of) students of Anscombe.",
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"text": "oh emotivism. What a crock of dung.",
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"text": "^truer words never spoken!",
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"text": "Emotivism has its merits in a given (very limited) context. Ayer is probably its best defender. Ultimately, it fails, of course, and there are several philosophers who help move things along. Foot is one of them.",
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"text": "I remember taking 2 *whole* lab classes senior year just to demonstrate the Lorenz transformations algebraically for the section. REally@!!?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, Descartes simply requires the understanding that all he is doing (at least in the bits we read) is super basic algebra. He isn't hard, just obscure.",
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"text": "I don't speak English, Perescott..... I only speak in gnosis and math",
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"text": "What is the math illumination, the math revelation, the math epiphany? And does this relate in any way to solving the problem of modern academia?",
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"text": "I know, but did you sit through those classes? WTF!?",
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"text": "the TAC math curriculum as (often) taught involves a lot of mystification in order to create the sense that something really big is going on, but it often isn't. The real lack though is rhetoric- TAC is an almost complete fail in that regard",
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"text": "OK, say it in math then, and I will apply my gnosis. I am on a 30-day trial subscription.",
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"text": "Aaron, and the fact that Harvard has more advanced math than a small great books/liberal arts school adds what exactly?",
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"text": "If math is the secret code, then it has to be related to emotion and imagination, because we are people, and these are separate studies within the liberal arts. Math can be used like a weapon, or a tool.",
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"text": "Scott have you read Vico's Six Inaugural Orations? If not, then you should, given what you've just said",
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"text": "Tighten the math reqs for admission would immediately produce better classes. And please, more rhetoric? The sad thing is, the truly wasted courses at TAC are the language courses. By teaching neither linguistics, nor Latin, nor philosophical grammar, the result is no one learns anything, and those that knew Latin merely forget it.",
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"text": "Joel, say more about the need for linguistics. That is a really interesting point.",
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"text": "no, seriously, it needs more rhetoric. Rhetoric is the crux of the humanities. And define \"linguistics\"",
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"text": "My sister was an Italian major in college, and at least half of her major was linguistics.",
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"text": "do you mean philology? or do you mean structural linguistics?",
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"text": "define it",
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"text": "who are you talking about? Saussure? Benveniste?Jakobson?",
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"text": "I was surprised that Augustine is not read as a rhetorical master, but a doctrinal one. So, the argument is missed. I was surprised that the 20th encyclicals were read as doctrinal supplements, not as rhetorical works. I was surprised doctrine as doctrine is lacking. Seems to make it more difficult and gnostic than necessary.",
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"text": "Joel-- not if you had Mark Clark for Latin!",
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"text": "Yay Latin!",
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"text": "Rhetoric is even more basically about invention than persuasion, and if you'd dont grasp that, you don't grasp rhetoric or its immense importance. TAC most definitely doesn't grasp it; it views rhetoric as a kind of flowery con artist move",
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"text": "Imma go back to Katie Duda's comment about Stiva and Dolly. I think you're right that all the hope for their marriage comes from Dolly. Stiva, I think, is charming but worthless. He seems to think it is actually impossible for him to live any other life but the profligate, immoral one he leads. Dolly is heroic in her effort on behalf of her family, but she's doing it alone.",
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"text": "Also, I was not counter-trolling you Pater Edmund. I truly think that sounds like a reasonable view, but I am not going to go back to comment number 9000 or whatever to see what you argued back then, so I understand if you wish to ignore me. : )",
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"text": "OK, I'm going to work now.",
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"text": "Well, I decided to post my honking big counterpoint. Here goes: I said it before, the tutors on the whole have a big variety of opinions on academia, and IMO they come off as negative about academia most of all specifically in the situation of talking about it to curious unwashed students, many of whom they correctly see as probably not suited for that kind of life, but they don't realllly want to come out and say it. Fact: All walks and abilities of students are admitted to the college, and for most of them they would be happier elsewhere than academia. The world is a big place. As insular as TAC is, I really think that most the facility is liberally educated and have some perspective. \nThe tutors give the impression that they are the best thing completely on accident because they LOVE their life and they have a passion for TAC. Never has a tutor said to me the likes of \"this is the best and only etc.\" In fact, most lamented there wasn't a grad school probably thinking they would love to teach advanced stuff etc. \nLike I said before, when I doubled down and was serious about applying to doctoral studies and entering into the ivory tower, I did have a number of tutors sit down with me and help in a number of ways, including putting me in touch with people, as best as they could. I add that last proviso, because it's also true that TAC's tutors are *not* the best academics and pretty much lack the top-tier experience. Again, we've discussed a tutor or two who may be the exception to this, but I won't talk individuals. \nAs per the suggestion that the school thinks the academic well has been poisoned and should be mostly avoided (a separate issue), at best in my experience that was the opinion held privately by a few, and with regard to certain specific areas in the humanities/theology. It was something that the leadership was trying to counterbalance as best they could. The more common viewpoint is that academia has a lot of pitfalls (it does) and that it isn't for everyone (also true). \nAlso, if we exercise a little common sense and say, hey, TAC is not really at all a top tier school as far as its position in academia and it's admins and faculty are not really from that arena, I think all this makes some more sense, and is in fact humbling.\nYes, there are improvements that could be made but they are normal improvements. A bright and motivated student can overcome. We've seen it happen, we've got successful academics such as Matthew J. Peterson out there, and it will continue to improve, especially if us alums don't harbor resentment (of any kind, talk about a poison!) and unabashedly reach out to students who ask for our help. I had a bunch of successful TAC academics never get back to me when I got in touch with them, but let's not talk about that. We can be part of the problem, or part of the solution!",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe--I did have Clark for Sophomore Latin.",
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"text": "Then what are you complaining about?",
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"text": "Andrw Lng, fair enough",
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"text": "JA Escalante--I meant Structural linguistics, but that wasn't the point. The point was they could try to teach any of those things, but by combining them all they fall between the stools. I had a freshman section spend a whole class arguing over whether \"Ego\" and \"me\" (I think it was those words but it could have been \"amicus\" and \"amico\" or something else) were the same word but different cases or different words entirely.",
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"text": "ah ok, agreed about falling between the stools",
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"text": "And if one is wasting time like that, how is one going to learn the latin language at the same time? And if one is going to do linguistics, shouldn't the foreign language be studied separately (and far more rigorously).",
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"text": "Yeah, never mind. I know what you are complaining about and agree with your complaint.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe--I think Clark expected that the students would read along with him and simply learn the language. After all, that's how he learns languages. My experience was, I already had Latin so could read along, and everyone who didn't sat there terrified he'd call on them. A very few went out of their way to learn the language outside class and actually learned Latin at TAC.",
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"text": "Clark's method, in short, needs to be more intensive for it to really work. And dear me, Martin of Denmark. <slams head on desk>",
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"text": "Yeah, I know. Clark was a great tutor if you were good at Latin. Otherwise, no.",
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"text": "I pretty much sucked at Latin coming in with zero experience and bad study habits. Blame myself 100%, sucks to suck.",
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"text": "well Wheelock doesnt help",
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"text": "Joel, Seems to me they could do comparative Indo-European linguistics just to give some context. That would include the basics of morphology, phonology, etc. I taught ninth grade Latin at St Monica Academy, and I tried to add in some of that stuff to keep it interesting. It seemed to help even at that level. The kids loved it.",
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"text": "I think they finally ditched the Wheelock at least.",
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"text": "^yes that could and should be done",
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"text": "oh thank God I hope that's true",
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"text": "Aaron, did you have any particular material that you used?",
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"text": "Guys, this is relevant to my work. Thus, I am working! While on TNET!",
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"text": "Anthony Burgess' \"Lanuage Made Plain\" would work in that regard, mostly",
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"text": "I would say, though, that problem with Latin at TAC is endemic to foreign language requirements in the academy throughout. Is it to study the language or is it to learn about language? How does one do either when it is required that students take a year or a semester of any foreign language?",
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"text": "Samantha: I have an old textbook about Indo-European linguistics, and , believe it or not, I have a text from one of those Latin immersion courses that they do in graduate Classics departments that I used to great effect. It had a bunch of cool linguistics stuff in it. Here is the Indo text: https://benjamins.com/#catalog/books/z.172/main\nJohn Benjamins Publishing Company\nBENJAMINS.COM",
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"text": "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Made_Plain\nLanguage Made Plain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nLanguage Made Plain by Anthony Burgess is a brief...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "Thanks!",
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"text": "Beekes is good. So is Benveniste",
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"text": "that's Clockwork Orange Burgess, btw",
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"text": "GASP. SO MUCH MONEY",
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"text": "Adrw Lng: fair points. But I do think direct conversation about points of awkwardness is a good thing, and is too often avoided on that campus. But fair enough.",
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"text": "I can get from SLU, though",
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"text": "Or I suppose I could get the paperback.",
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"text": "Samantha: Here is the Latin intensive text. IMO, the best Latin textbook out there. http://www.amazon.com/Latin-Intensive-Floyd.../dp/0520031830\nLatin: An Intensive Course\nThis is a comprehensive introduction to Latin forms and syntax, designed to train the student in reading ancient...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "Catholic Burgess!",
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"text": "monarchist Burgess.",
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"text": "And until I have a tenure track appointment, calling me a \"successful academic\" is probably an abuse of language. Hah.",
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"text": "Yeah, I have that one (somewhere). It is good.",
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"text": "Also, apparently Burgess's \"A Mouthful of Air\" incorporates almost all of \"Language Made Plain\" into its first half.",
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"text": "Is TAC supposed to fix academia, or just educate students properly? I think it should do both. You can't do one without the other. To do either, you need to be able to explain what you do. I think most would disagree with the college, because it does not provide a full range of solutions. It does not address the whole person, just a very small part of the person, so the graduate may find it difficult to intuit the challenges they are facing in modern academia which are largely emotional, not mathematical.",
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"text": "To put them out of their suffering? To nuke them? Or to address the causes of the ignorance with the full range of scholastic and scientific appeals? Or to just state \"they are wrong\" / \"they are tyrants\" and nuke them; ie. wish evil upon them?",
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"text": "I had a year long 'course' on analogy with John Nieto. That was amazing.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, thought I tagged you in the initial post. A facebook discussion group of Duane Berquist's lectures on Aristotle's logic.",
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"text": "The math and science program needs a thorough revamp, but how good it is as \"philosophy of math\" is completely open ended. What I mean is, of the 4 tutors I had for math, one raised actual poignant lines in that regard, but (quite correctly as far as it went) was quick to leave that line of inquiry and show that in many ways you could \"do the math\" and understand its terms, without answering, e.g., metaphysical questions about the existence of mathematicals.\nThe second was Mr. Clark, and he was decent...definitely had an exuding enthusiasm for it...but he really exemplified the fellow student, not the expert. An example, he presented a \"Euclidean\" proof of trisecting the angle. In his favor, it wasn't the most common trisectrix and was more accessible than the other ways, but he missed what \"Euclidean\" meant.\nIn fact, how many students, even ones self-proclaimed great at math (cough...Bolin...cough) made fools of themselves trying to prove the 5 postulate, or trisect the angle, or square the circle or any number of things actually proven, often more than a century ago, to be impossible. While Mr. Clark's hyperbolic trisectrix was awesome, and fit in with the Apollonian theme, it was not Euclidean, not in the sense in which it is mean when people say there is no Euclidean way. (Straight edge and compass construction)\nThe third tutor was incompetent, and frankly not only mystified the thing through obscurity, but was mystified himself by what I found to be basic algebra and calculus. My lab tutor, Mr. Shields, was far superior.\nThe 4th was Molly Gustin, RIP. Maybe it would have been great if she was of better mind. She, being a true constructivist, would have been fun to engage, I think, when she was of sounder mind.\nBut as it is, only one tutor raised pertinent questions wrt philosophy of math, but abandoned them in order to just \"do math.\" Another was essentially a fellow student still make elementary mistakes, but was decent. Another was out of his league, and the last past her prime.\nBut here is the thing....the quality of the mathematics tutorial shouldn't be so dependent on the tutor. They need to figure out WHAT we are doing in that class....if it is philosophy of mathematics, then I had one class on that, my very first on Euclid. The rest missed the mark. Maybe we need to read on the Division and Method of SCience, ask what existence mathematicals have",
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"text": "These people make a forum package that's specially designed to make online conversations as pleasant as possible: http://www.discourse.org/\nDiscourse\nConversations, not pages Why break conversations into awkward and arbitrary pages, where you have to...\nDISCOURSE.ORG\nSeptember 2 at 1:44pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJoel HF Edward Langley--I think getting people involved is tricky enough. Fighting facebook is pointless.",
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"text": "Joshua, I agree.",
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"text": "What if it could connect it to facebook like Goodreads and other online apps are connected?",
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"text": "Or here is one, is Euclid I.1 a valid proof? Proclus lists that proposition and many others as fallacious...just imagine reading Euclid with Proclus, and asking the questions that are naturally raised...questions still debated today. E.g. that very first proposition, the objection is that it assumes the circles intersect, which is to assuming the continuity hypothesis. Going further back, you hit the question of whether geometry and arithmetic, that is continuous and discreet quantity are truly divisible into distinct sciences. And the question of what is math...you could say that the Elements presume we are studying continuous quantity, but does that mean Prclus anticipated a more modern conception of math, where one just starts with quantity and cannot assume continuity or discreteness is its property?\nYou could have 4 years of philosophy of math just proceeding from the questions raised by Proclus, and all the time engaging contemporary debates....",
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"text": "I had Clark for Euclid and our discussions were great (despite a somewhat iffy section that year--and yes, I'm largely to blame there); Letteney for Ptolemy, and we had plenty of philosophical discussions while also \"doing the math\", great balance; Cain junior year, and I thought he was excellent; and Dr. Richard for senior year. He was ideal.\nMaybe I was just lucky.",
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"text": "How difficult would that be to do, I know almost nothing about html and building websites.",
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"text": "I am intent on making a bigger fool of myself. So, suppose TAC does read more Aristotle and Thomas than any other college; and suppose they even do more Euclid and read more Bible without dogma in freshman year than any other college. Suppose this is all true. Why is this a good thing? Is the college presenting these things in the right way to help its students grow in wisdom, to help them approach academia and the world with wisdom, or just a kind of reaction?",
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"text": "It would basically be \"sign up -> sign in with Facebook/Google -> join conversation\"",
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"text": "That isn't hard to do...even the FSSP.la site allows you to log in via Facebook....They then have a discussion site, meant to facilate communiation with parishoners and between them...I am guessing you are thinking of something like that",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--I may be misremembering, but (a) I think my class did discuss that at TAC (the Bk I.1 problem that is), and (b) do we not read the Division and Method? I guess I went to so many extra seminars on it that I just assumed we did.",
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"text": "And having it on a separate forum might be ideal as far as getting people who dislike Facebook (e.g. David Grothoff) to participate",
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"text": "Joshua, I'm not sure if it's really possible to make the quality of a math or science tutorial not dependent on the abilities of the tutor.",
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"text": "True, but there is also surprising inertia to get people to use these other sites.",
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"text": "But you can make it less so",
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"text": "Division and method is in senior seminar: exactly one class",
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"text": "Edward Langley--the problem is when the student body also limits it, b/c half of them never learned basic algebra. (And I'm not saying all the students should be math wizards either.)",
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"text": "We raised no philosophical questions after the definitions and postulates, and challenged no proof.\nThe Saturday seminars where we did the Division and Method were far superior to the cursory treatment it got in seminar with the general student population",
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"text": "I had an extremely lousy Euclid tutor; but probably the wisest way to not address the \"tyranny\" of contemporary universities is to put wax in your ears.",
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"text": "Well, for those interested, there was an extra seminar or seminars on Div & Method every year I was there.",
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"text": "Were you in those same Saturday seminars, Joshua Kenz? This would have been your freshman year.",
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"text": "Basic algebra is pretty easy to learn. I do not see that as the real issue, the mortal sin here.",
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"text": "Best thing in the world was watching Dr. MacArthur resurrect a point he was arguing with Nieto, and watching Nieto just put his hand down on the table in frustration....Dr. MacArthur was like a pit bull...he was wrong on this point, but he wasn't dropping it till he was satisfied",
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"text": "Scott, I think the purpose of a liberal education is to give one tools to begin further pursuits elsewhere. I think TAC does this marvelously. The emphasis on mathematics helps us to see that we do know things. Moreover, it aids us in having a well ordered mind and imagination. \nThe theology tutorials are such that one can benefit from the perennial wisdom of theologians without being Catholic. Nevertheless, the inherent Catholicity of the tutorials and the school result in many conversions.",
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"text": "Maybe not, I did those starting soph. year.",
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"text": "\"The emphasis on mathematics helps us to see that we do know things.\" Daniel, is seeing that we know things really that big a problem?",
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"text": "The other thing that I loved was how Nieto was so deferential to McArthur, even when Nieto disagreed--Neito not being a naturally deferential kinda guy when he thought someone else had something wrong.",
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"text": "Yeah",
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"text": "Ever been to a non-TAC philosophy program?",
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"text": "How are you picturing the format Ed? I am thinking something where there would be conversation threads for individual works, but also for general topics, and you would be able to subscribe to them and get updates.",
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"text": "My main point is that if TAC more explicitly framed the class, e.g. saying we are studying this to raise these sort of questions, then even if the tutor is not as competent, then at least some direction as to what we are doing is given.\nAnd I agree with Joel HF whom FB will no longer let me tag. Baic algebra is supposedly required just to graduate HS...if homeschoolers aren't learning it, then they must be treated as people without a HS diploma...let them get a GED before college.",
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"text": "\"The inherent Catholicity of the tutorials...\" How is freshman theology inherently Catholic?",
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"text": "We've been over this ad nauseum, but, for one thing, only Catholic tutors who take the oath can teach theology at TAC.",
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"text": "Yes, for some moderns. Seeing that we know things is a problem. But we are not moderns. We can see that we know things. Are you pretending to be moderns, and doing math to address this role you are playing? I am asking a serious question here.",
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"text": "Nina, basically a separate thread for a separate topic and possibly some top-level categorization of topics.",
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"text": "Joel HF (now I can tag you!), do you think, e.g., Ms. Zedlick should be allowed to teach it?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz (now I can't tag you? WTF facebook!), do you mean for Math or freshman theology?",
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"text": "I see that some moderns doubt you can know things. But most students at TAC do not doubt this. Is this approach to math kind of like an academic apologetics course? Where does it lead? What is the purpose?",
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"text": "@Edward Langley are you able to extract all of this into a searchable format, when you do your wizardry with the stats and the graphs and the what not?",
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"text": "I doubt that, Edward. I have to jump off for a while for some calls re: the Meskwaki. But I hope I have cemented my reputation as a complete fool. Please know you can know this; there's a formula to show this.",
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"text": "Well, there are lots of behind the scenes politics about who gets to teach what course. There are tutors who are Catholic even whose course options seem restricted.",
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"text": "It is not, to my mind, an apologetics course. My point about \"knowing that one knows,\" is meant in this way: Mathematics is the clearest of the sciences. It is very easy to perceive the movement from principles to conclusions. One can also see that one is syllogising. A strong background in math enables a student to reflect upon what it means to know, and to point to things that he does know. This is especially helpful as one enters into the more difficult sciences of philosophy of nature and metaphysics.",
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"text": "Yes, I see that Daniel; but the principles of revelation are not known by math or syllogism. And these principles we all must know; not only know, but live. Indeed these principals are reasonable, but not reasonable in a mathematical or syllogistic way -- but precisely in other ways. So I have to keep asking, the college being Catholic, why so much of math, but not this other stuff?",
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"text": "I'm sure some here would object, but the Bible is the Church's book.",
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"text": "Sure, but that doesn't mean that they either (a) do it correctly or (b) aren't engaged in a Catholic activity in some sense of the word.",
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"text": "Nothing that wasn't say, in the Ecumenical Councils, for instance, but still things we wouldn't have arrived at without him.",
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"text": "Did you mean me, up above, Daniel Lendman?",
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"text": "so Edward, are you considering setting something up?",
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"text": "Pope Cantu.",
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"text": "\"And that, my son, is why Brian Kelly should start Greg Bryant at running back against Michigan. Next question.\"",
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"text": "Worrying about the boundaries of Summorum Pontificum will be the least of your problems when I'm through. How does one word an excommunication of an entire fanbase?",
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"text": "Daniel, can you tell me about Descartes? Descartes knew math, but lost sight of how you can know things. How was this possible?",
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"text": "Thanks.",
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"text": "Here is a Dogma on God. \n\"God's existence is not merely an object of rational knowledge, but also an object of supernatural faith.\"\nThis kind of fits nicely into this discussion, because the Bible points to the knowability of God in both the Old and New Testaments. So, are these two ways of equal import? I mean, is God as object of reason more important than God as object of faith?",
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"text": "Now this:\n\"In the state of fallen nature, it is morally impossible for man without supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty, and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order.\"\nCertainly, \"God exists\" is a religious truth of the natural order.",
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"text": "Also clearly, \"God exists\" is not \"all religious and moral truths of the natural order\"",
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"text": "Edward: \"Ott or whoever you're quoting isn't exactly 'magisterial.'\" Are you saying this is not a Dogma?",
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"text": "I think it is a religious truth of the natural order too. And I think I'd see why you would quibble. But I generally would agree.",
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"text": "i.e. if the Church were to define it, it would probably be clearer.",
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"text": "So, it's from Vat I and is stated as a negative proposition. You are correct. Thank you.",
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"text": "Suarez held that the existence of God could be known by faith and reason at the same time in the same person, and he argued this was because the formal object differed. Most theologians disagree with him. I have no idea what side Scott is taking, but I assume he is asserting it as dogma? Despite Ott's rating it as a disputed question and explaining both sides?",
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"text": "Scott seems to be asserting that one and the same truth can be a matter of faith and reason simultaneously and furthermore asserting that that position is dogmatic.",
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"text": "I think he's quoting something like this: http://www.theworkofgod.org/dogmas.htm",
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"text": "proposition I.2",
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"text": "Why don't you just ask me? Would that not be more polite? Instead of placing sources and suppositions into my mouth?",
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"text": "I asked \"Does that imply that, at one and the same time, for one and the same person the existence of God is both something rationally known and an object of Faith?\"\nScott responded: \"I think that is the correct and full implication.\"",
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"text": "Feel free to quote me so he can see:\nHe is a liar and a fool. If he is quoting Ott he knows damn well out says it is a disputed question. Or maybe he is not actually reading Ott, but like a lazy uneducated troll just quoting a list on a website that fails to differentiated common opinion from de fide doctrine, as Ott does",
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"text": "I think it implies it can be in the synthesis between faith and reason in the area of natural theology, but not in the realm of supernatural theology, namely those things which can only be known by faith.\nBut I presented the Dogma in regards to natural theology. I think it helps make the point that Faith aids reason. This is what TAC teaches in its Charter under the maxim \"faith seeking understanding.\"",
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"text": "It seems like he might not have understood a prior question I asked him. Perhaps all he's asserting is that for some people God's existence is a matter of faith and for others it's a matter of knowledge.",
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"text": "@Scott Weinberg, where is it in Vatican I?",
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"text": "I.e., where was that quote?",
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"text": "Who is asking the question I cannot see? And why cannot I see him?",
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"text": "Which generally plays havoc with these threads, but whatever.",
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"text": "Well, I do not wish to discuss \"through you\" with a hostile person.",
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"text": "Scott, where exactly in Vatican I did you get the text you quoted up above?",
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"text": "I'm not just forwarding his opinions. Sometimes, however, it's necessary to repeat conversations to resolve confusions when two participants in a thread have blocked each other.",
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"text": "Edward, I will assert this. It may be wrong, but I will assert it, and I am very open to the being corrected. No man can know supernatural truths by reason, but only by faith and revelation. All these truths are reasonable. Man may know natural revelation -- such as God exists -- by reason alone; but some do not know this by reason, but by grace. And even natural theological truths cannot proceed without admixture of error without grace. This is faith seeking understanding. Faith and revelation aids reason, to perfect metaphysics which, in turn, perfects sacred theology.",
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"text": "I block no one. And here is the Vat I text. Let me know what you think.",
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"text": "I think all that is true.",
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"text": "\"Admixture of error\" just gave me BINGO!!!",
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"text": "Waiting on the Vatican I quote.",
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"text": "Although I probably understand \"admixture of error\" differently.",
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"text": "Mr. Edward Langley, here is what Ott says\n\"God's Existence is not merely an object of natural rational knowledge, but also an object of supernatural faith. (De fide)\n.....\n\" 2. Knowledge and Faith as Regards the Same Object.\nIt is a disputed point whether one and the same person can at the same time have knowledge and faith in the existence of God. Many outstanding scholastic theologians (Alexander of Hales, St. Bonaventure, Albertus Magnus) and many later theologians (Suarez) assert that such is possible, because the formal object is different (natural insight- Divine Revelation) and because both acts or habits belong to different orders of being (nature-grace). St. Thomas, on the contrary, teaches: \"It is impossible for the same truth to be known and believed by the same person.\": impossibile est, quod ab eodem idem sit scitum et creditum (S. th 2 II. 1, 5) As ground for this hhe submits that the clear insight into the truth associated with knowledge cannot co-exist with the obscurity of faith. It is, however, possible that the same truth could be known by one person and believed by another. According to the teaching of St. Thomas, it is also possible for the same person at the one time to have a natural knowledge of the existence of God as the originator of the natural order, and a supernatural faith in the existence of God as the originator of the supernatural order, because the supernatural faith comprehends truths which are not contained in natural knowledge (difference of material object). (Cf. S. th. 2 II 1, 5).\"\nI had a rule as a mod on a forum before. No quoting Ott unless you can actually quote him...lists online don't count.",
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"text": "Patience is a virtue; Internet connect is bad on the great plains.",
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"text": "Here's what Ott says about that dogma:\n\"God's Existence is not merely an object of natural rational knowledge, but also an object of supernatural faith. (De fide)\n.....\n2. Knowledge and Faith as Regards the Same Object.\nIt is a dispute point whether one and the same person can at the same time have knowledge and faith in the existence of God. Many outstanding scholastic theologians (Alexander of Hales, St. Bonaventure, Albertus Magnus) and many later theologians (Suarez) assert that such is possible, because the formal object is different (natural insight- Divine Revelation) and because both acts or habits belong to different orders of being (nature-grace). St. Thomas, on the contrary, teaches: \"It is impossible for the same truth to be known and believed by the same person.\": impossibile est, quod ab eodem idem sit scitum et creditum (S. th 2 II. 1, 5) As ground for this hhe submits that the clear insight into the truth associated with knowledge cannot co-exist with the obscurity of faith. It is, however, possible that the same truth could be known by one person and believed by another. According to the teaching of St. Thomas, it is also possible for the same person at the one time to have a natural knowledge of the existence of God as the originator of the natural order, and a supernatural faith in the existence of God as the originator of the supernatural order, because the supernatural faith comprehends truths which are not contained in natural knowledge (difference of material object). (Cf. S. th. 2 II 1, 5).\"",
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"text": "NP Scott! I'll eagerly await seeing where in Vatican I this quote is from \"In the state of fallen nature, it is morally impossible for man without supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty, and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order\"",
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"text": "This is good too, but not exactly what you are waiting for:\nGod cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth.\nThe appearance of this kind of specious contradiction is chiefly due to the fact that either the dogmas of faith are not understood and explained in accordance with the mind of the church, or unsound views are mistaken for the conclusions of reason. (Vat I)",
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"text": "you mean you block no one since you unblocked me, right Perescott?",
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"text": "Did you copy and paste the quote from a source other than Vatican I? Did you mean that the quote was \"from Vatican I\" as in Vatican I was the authority cited to support the quote?",
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"text": "Yes, and thank you for that gratuitious high five.",
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"text": "Both, it's way up there around 950. Free copy of CCC if you find it.",
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"text": "CCC is not infallible, VI is....",
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"text": "When you say both, what do you mean?",
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"text": "If he cannot actually quote Ott, call him on it",
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"text": "The doctrine and the source text in the document of Vat I.",
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"text": "Quoting a website that doesn't even get the division of Ott correct (this \"dogma\" is from part 4, not part 5) is just junk",
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"text": "what exactly is being argued?",
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"text": "To be clear Scott, you are doubling down on this exact quote being from Vat. I: \"In the state of fallen nature, it is morally impossible for man without supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty, and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order.\" Is that correct?",
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"text": "Scott is quoting from Vatican I, and I can't find the quote there. I'm just aiming for precision! ",
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"text": "No. That is not the exact quote from Vat I.",
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"text": "Gotcha. Where was the quote from?",
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"text": "That quote is from Ott. He derives it from this quote\n\"It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation, that those matters concerning God which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error.\"\nWhich IS in Vatican I, session 3 chapter 2. Also found in Denzinger (old numbering) 1786 and is nothing more than what St. Thomas says in S. Th. I q. 1 a. 1\nJust so everyone is clear",
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"text": "aaah, so you're being persnickety... why, Joel?",
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"text": "This is not it either, but this is good too:\n\"Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other... faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.\" (Vat I)",
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"text": "I'm an arrogant TACer, and a mean one to boot. This is what I do, sadly.",
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"text": "I knew there was a reason you and I were facebook friends....",
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"text": "Here is something someone else pointed to, that was in Vatican I: \"\"It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation, that those matters concerning God which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error.\" Vatican I, session 3 chapter 2.",
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"text": "maybe I should ask Perescott....\nPerescott, what is your point (in twitter format 140 characters or less)?",
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"text": "Boy the blocking sure makes things silly to read. I feel like a theologian who has lost his mind",
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"text": "Things would be less silly to read if I had been less of a stick in the mud about the exact origin of that one quotation.",
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"text": "That is it Joel. THANKS TO DIVINE REVELATION, matters concerning God can be known without admixture of error. But without DIVINE REVELATION, it follows that matters concerning God are known by reason alone with admixture of error; hence the doctrine...\nAnd here is another revelvant section from Vat I.\n\"If anyone says that in divine revelation there are contained no true mysteries properly so-called, but that all the dogmas of the faith [even the basic ones of natural theology on God's existence] can be understood and demonstrated by properly trained reason from natural principles: let him be anathema.\"\nSo, I think this is worth understanding clearly, because some think metaphysics, in itself, by reason alone, without grace, can useful to perfecting sacred theology. This -- it seems to me -- is false. It is useful when it is perfected by grace, and dogma, and faith and revelation then, once perfected, it helps brings sacred theology to completion in the Thomistic synthesis.\nI think this is why Thomas' metaphysics is different that Aristotle's in places. Thomas' faith enabled him to perfect metaphysics; and write the Summa as a synthesis of Faith and Reason.",
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"text": "Your parenthetical is wrong, I think.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, can you please simply call me Scott? Thank you.",
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"text": "It could be. You can strike the entire paragraph.",
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"text": "You are, Adrw.",
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"text": "That is a very TNET spirit-embibed utterance Daniel Lendman",
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"text": "Andrew Seeley blocked me once, because I disputed him on the issue of homosexuality. He said my opposition to homosexuality, or at least same sex attraction, was a knee-jerk reaction. My position is that same-sex attraction is a moral and natural defficiency, a kind of deficient cause, in the same way that same sex attraction is a natural cause aimed at a good and desirable end.",
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"text": "Indeed, our ancients stories foretell of such a prophecy.",
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"text": "well, since you spelled my name right..... okay Scott",
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"text": "Thanks. How do you pronounce Beitia? Is it Spanish?",
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"text": "I already smoked the Montecristo, but there is a Cuban Romeo y Julieta for anyone in the area who wants to have a real smoker's section to this.... I will keep the Partagas though....\nhttps://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/.../10590638...\nSCONTENT-B-LAX.XX.FBCDN.NET",
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"text": "I have a Montecrito 2 in my humidor, right now. Perks to living in Austria!",
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"text": "Mr. Lendman, while I got the Cubans without leaving California, I will give you that you have better access....but I can smoke a Cuban, while drinking Bourbon and cleaning a handgun...because 'Murica! I prefer my perks.",
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"text": "I prefer your perks, too, Joshua.",
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"text": "The block function on facebook is for people who cannot handle the truth. heh.",
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"text": "Spanish!?!?!? a pox upon you",
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"text": "Weinberg is Latvian.",
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"text": "Do you guys know the one about the Latvian?",
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"text": "Two Latvian are look at cloud.\nOne see potato.\nOther see impossible dream.\nIs same cloud.",
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"text": "Can we agree that Latvia is a free and sovereign nation?",
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"text": "do you have magisterial authority that says that?",
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"text": "Latvian man are start read thread. Thread never ends. Man dies.",
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"text": "http://socraticum.com/\nSocraticum.com\nSOCRATICUM.COM\nSeptember 2 at 5:54pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley Still in development, but you can sign up with either Facebook or Google.",
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"text": "Three Latvian boys conscripted into Czar's navy. Ship sails to Vancouver. Three boys jump overboard. Never look back.",
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"text": "Tom Malone the Latvian jokes have begun.",
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"text": "Almost to 12,000. Wow.",
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"text": "Anyone read Longinus, the great rhetorician from the early years. Interesting how he uses the Bible, but was not Latvian.",
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"text": "I could joke about my ethnicity, but it is too long and pun is the lowest from of humor.\nare there any Latvian saints?",
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"text": "I feel like I should say \"That's what she said\" but I'm not sure why",
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"text": "There are lots of Latvian saints. St. Roland. My wife is Norwegian, and my grandmother was Italian. We have four daughters, and they are very beautiful. I am open to arranged marriage. We have land and sheep.",
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"text": "Food for thought",
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"text": "\"supported in many ways by the classical liberal arts\"",
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"text": "Anyway, Longinus, the Greek, said you cannot know the **sublime** truths of nature without the revelation of the God of Moses.",
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"text": "My girls... Solveig (right) is 16 today. Happy b-day Solveig!",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Thanks for the invite (many hours ago), Joel HF. Please keep me posted as the seminar on DB develops.",
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"text": "Scott Weinberg, I have five sons. I am sure we can arrange some marriages. Your daughters are beautiful, but the offer of land and sheep would seal the deal for me.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Jeffrey Bond, I had a look at those lines, but I'm not sure they were the same ones you had recommended.",
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"text": "In any case, I fell back to defending what I see as happening, below. Perhaps, Pater Edmund, would be interested or could steer me in a better a direction too.",
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"text": "Furiis accensus et ira terribilis: \u201ctune hinc spoliis indute meorum / eripiare mihi? Palllas te hoc vulnere, Pallas immolat et poenam scelerato ex sanguine sumit.\u201d / hoc dicens ferrum adverso sub pectore condit / fervidus. (Aeneid. Finis.)\nAblaze with the furies and terrible in wrath: \u201cWouldst (thou) clad in the spoils of mine be snatched away from me? Pallas by this wound, Pallas sacrifices you and takes up the punishment from your defiled blood.\u201d Saying this, fevered he strikes the IRON deep through under the foe's chest. \nFirst I'ld like to take up the final words of the poem (less two lines). Aeneas about to grant clemency, at the sight of his troth-bound ally Evander's son's belt, loses it, no? Burnt up with the furies, and terrible with wrath he flashes the anger of Achilles. It hearkens back to the \u201cira Iunonis\u201d of the opening, the same as menis in Greek; the Iliad begins with wrath, the Aeneid ends in it. Pallas, who very like Aeneas' own son, who was the hope of his people, the crown prince, was struck down by Turnus. Surely it is a very different matter, a different thing, from what causes Achilles' anger: it is the loss of the hope for the future of Evander's people. But is this mere righteous anger? Before (furiis) and at the end (fervidus) he is shaking hot with anger: no less than three words to describe that, like the furies and like the goddess Juno no less; both a rage from the bowels of hell and a wrath that is proper to the gods above, we could call it Achilles' anger doubled over. He trips over Pallas' name in his anger. Is it, as he claims, Pallas who does the deed? To whom would Pallas be sacrificing then? How is it not rather Aeneas sacrificing to Pallas (or is that a reference to Athene?)? How is this not an act of revenge in hot rage? And all this, after Turnus had just conceded Lavinia. Surely the wars that follow or rather continue might have been avoided had he spared Turnus. This is not to say that Turnus is guiltless: that later. But Aeneas' opportunity to end the war is hereby lost. Regarding the sacrifice \u201cimmolat\u201d, this reminds me of the practice of Romans to sacrifice the leaders of the conquered enemy to the fathers (patres) and for the fatherland (patria) (cf. the light-hearted play Titus Andronicus). Is he sacrificing to Pallas or rather sacrificing in Pallas' name to Pallas' FATHER and to that patria of Pallas that might have been or perhaps rather to Aeneas' future patria, Rome that will become? To put it precisely, Aeneas acting as Pallas is sacrificing in Roman custom Turnus, prince captive and chief spoil, to his father and the fatherland. Whereas the war in the Iliad was coming to a close, here the war for Aeneas has just begun but also the war to gain empire while continually expanding Rome, a war that shall last more than 700 years continuously (setting aside Numa's reign). The Iliad can't hold a stick to that. 10 years versus 700 and change (plus hundreds more at the end of the Pax Romana)!",
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"text": "(But perhaps by \u201cfuriis\u201d is signified his visceral desire for revenge of the foul deed of murdering a boy, one whom Aeneas was charged to protect, a nefas deed. And by ira, to contrast, is signified a more intellectually apprehended matter of injustice to be rectified, namely Aeneas' bounden duty to render good his word with Evander, as well as repayment to Turnus for killing a king before his time and even glorying in it by taking the belt as prize and badge of honor.)\nBut the difficult phrase is more important \u201cferrum adverso sub pectore condit\u201d. It is THE sentence of the poem, what we've been waiting for the whole poem. Of course condit is in direct reference to the opening lines \u201cdum conderet urbem\u201d and Aeneas' many attempts to do so. There is then that first obvious meaning \u201cfounds\u201d. This is a founding act of some kind. The other two possible literal meanings here are \u201cburies\u201d, but this is only said of the dead, and the war is not over as I said but to continue, one after the other until Aeneas himself dies (and soon) and his body floats down a river unburied. Other cities are still to be founded before finally Rome itself. It is unlikely he is burying (or putting away) the sword which would have been by an act of clemency he did NOT do. Perhaps it could signify burying the sword into the ground under Turnus, considering the violent force and rage of the thrust. Here condit means \u201cstrikes deeply\u201d, which is to be considered given his anger. [It could also mean \u201chides\u201d or \u201ccomposes\u201d as a poem, but I don't think those are pertinent.] We are left with the literal \u201cstrikes deeply\u201d and the obvious allusion to \u201cfounds\u201d. \u201cadverso\u201d is said of the chest (pectore), the seat of wisdom where one rolls one's thoughts over. Is he striking down the mindset of those opposed (adverso) the glory of Rome? How then does Turnus, last of the heroes, oppose Rome? (I don't know.) Is Turnus, too great to submit his personal glory for the glory of the city? Or INSTEAD is the meaning that Aeneas \u201cfounds the iron age of Rome below (sub) the heart\u201d in the seat rather of the passions? It reminds one of the advice of Anchises' shade \u201cdebellare superbos\u201d war down the proud, but Aeneas here does not \u201cparcere subiectis\u201d spare the subjected, which Turnus now is: do we think Turnus will rise again and not keep his word? And in what way is Aeneas here \u201cpacis imponere morem\u201d imposing the custom of peace (something that must await Augustus)? Of course that's all not to say that the final 2 lines aren't unmeaningful nor the final two words \u201csub umbras\u201d, under the shadows, and even the word \u201cindignata\u201d, (offended) portends that fury will follow fury. And how not with all Latium up in arms and the last hero dead?\nLet me suggest a few last things that Rome, at war, for 700 years, grows and lives by ferrum, \u201ciron\u201d. \u201cIron\u201d is the metal of the Aeneid; Homer's was the bronze age. The age of heroes is over. It is no longer for personal glory but the glory of Rome. It is with an iron sword that Rome bit by bit expands. It is the kingdom mixed of iron and clay that Daniel speaks of. But here lies another problem. It is also a reference to the founding act of Romulus, who is the real founder of Rome and does so with his own sword BURIED in his brother, a fratricide, as St. Augustine points out. Rome is the city founded on \u201ciron\u201d built by iron and ruled with iron, polluted in coeptis in fraternal blood. Of course, that's the worst light. But it is not so clear: clemency was often shown. Was revenge the policy? It is by Rome's very clemency and extending citizenship to allies and keeping troth with them that cemented amity in Italy and extended her dominion, such that others desired her protection and sought it. But it is a tenuous and difficult thing as borne out in her history. And it was difficult at times not to act in revenge. Perhaps that is what the poet is showing too. What does it mean to do, as Anchises advised, \u201cregere populos imperio\u201d to rule peoples with command, to beat down the proud with war, to show clemency to the humble (or subjected), to impose the custom of peace? And yet, I cannot see how Aeneas shows clemency or imposes peace; not so, the opposite and he has not learned. But did even Augustus? Or finally was the advice false? Did Aeneas leave hell out of the gate of false dreams and the advice given bad?",
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"text": "Lastly, it ends here, most abruptly. We don't know what Aeneas next does nor much detail of what follows. Only that he will found a city but not Rome and wage war til he dies to be washed out to sea. Just as book seven chronicled the cause of the war and the unleashing of Bellum, hideous to behold, the final words propel the founding spirit into interminable wars to establish empire. The first word is \u201carma\u201d and tis a book of a man who brings war from Troy to the peaceful coast of Italy.\nTo sum is it not an act of founding, with the necessary sacrifice and the aim implied (the glory of the Roman empire) with demonstrating the mode and means of rule all in one act and word?\nNefas: the belt and death of Pallas\nEt laevo pressit pede talia fatus / exanimem rapiens immania pondera baltei / impressumque nefas: una sub nocte iugali caesa manus iuvenum foede thalamique cruenti, / quae Clonus Eurytides multo caelaverat auro; / quo nunc Turnus ovat spolio gaudetque potitus. / nescia mens hominum fati sortisque futurae et servare modum rebus sublata secundis! Turno tempus erit magno cum optaverit emptum / intactum Pallanta, et cum spolia ista diemque / oderit. At socii multo gemitu lacrimisque / impositum scuto referunt Pallanta frequentes. / O dolor atque decus magnum rediture parenti, haec te prima dies bello dedit, haec eadem aufert, / cum tamen ingentis Rutulorum linquis arcervos.\nX 495-509\nTurnas having slain Pallas.\nAnd having said these kind of things, he pressed the unsouled (corpse) with his left foot, seizing the vast weight of the belt and the unspeakable horror [nefas] impressed: a band of youth on one nuptial night foully slain and gory wedding beds, which Clonus Eurytides had carved with much gold. In which spoil now Turnus triumphs and rejoices at having. Men's mind unknowing of fate and future hap or (how) to guard the mean, upraised by favorable things. For Turnus the time will come when greatly he would wish Pallas sold untouched, and when he'll hate those spoils and (that) day. But crowding comrades with much groan and tears bore back Pallas, placed upon his shield. O (you) much sorrow and splendor returning to your father, this the first day gave you to war, this same took you away, when still you left behind vast piles of Rutulians.\nThough I do not comment on each point. The entire above passage is most moving and amazing.\nHere I examine the belt, that caused Aeneas' wrath, the NEFAS both depicted and that of Turnus but this question too: does Aeneas pay back justly the nefas or take it up again as Turnus by committing one himself (sumit poenam, lit. take up the punishment upon himself)? For clearly Turnus snatches the belt but the nefas too, which makes it so ponderous. What is depicted on the belt is obscure. It is worth long inquiry. Since I was clueless except a one sentence description, I lucked into finding a lengthy article \u201cThe Sword Belt of Pallas\u201d on google, the all knowing. It is a fascinating article that tackles this labyrinthine story and references, and some points on the belt story. The question in that article that is of great importance I think is this: Were the Danaid statues appropriated from Egypt after the battle of Actium? If so then Augustus (like Turnus) has taken up the beltium and the nefas too, just as Turnus did, glorying in possession of them. So too I ask the follow up question, did Aeneas not take up spoils from Turnus (which we don't see) but some crime? Was it nefas for Aeneas to strike down Turnus pleading for mercy?",
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"text": "Firstly, the boy was friend to Aeneas. As Homer points out he is like Achilles, whose glory is but FOR ONE DAY, as indeed is all glory, but fleeting and often turned to infamy (cf. Ozymandias). More importantly he was prince, son of Evander. If I remember right, Evander was the first Italian ally. They were troth bound. Moreover, Aeneas promised to watch over the youth. It is this blood covenant (bound by the blood of Pallas) and the likeness of Pallas to Ascanius that is significant. Not the friendship of Achilles and Patroclus, but the Roman alliance that bound her and built her empire. Such was stronger than anything that Greece had produced which as Herodotus points out would have fallen to pieces after Salamis had Xerxes not left (following Artemisia's advice, clever gal she). The Greeks were relatively weakly bound, and I doubt would have withstood the likes of Hannibal. And it also was Hannibal's fatal error, a political one. After his greatest victory \u2013 what should have been the end of the war \u2013 Hannibal lost the war because he did not march directly on Rome, having thought he won. But from the plutocatric and Moloch worshiping ivory coast city that ruled its allies by FEAR, Hannibal did not dream that the Roman allies would not defect but instead come to her aid. And thus in winning, he lost: how profound the irony of Providence. He lost not because of an error in his art but because of an error in his ways.\nBut what of the belt? The belt is an article of distinction merely, not like a shield or helmet in Homer; it's not clear that it served as a sheathe even. It depicts nefas, unspeakable horror. Unlike the shield of Achilles which is described in pages, here two lines are given to hint at the horror \u2013 it is nefas, NOT TO BE SPOKEN, after all. It depicts the slaughter of 50 youths unripe (as Pallas) by their would be, forced to be, cousin-wives. Egyptus and Danaus, brothers at war (cf. Romulus and Remus or Augustus and Antony), dragged their offspring into the feud that would devour their own blood, ancient Ugulino's. The particulars are confusing and various in tradition, but Egyptus made his daughters kill \u201cferro\u201d by sword, their own cousins to consummate the wedding and wrath at the same time: a fratricide / conjugicide. They are the Danaan origin of the incestuous rulers of Egypt (since one escaped). The article points out Cleopatra (descendent) was a serial conjugicide herself and went on to 'marry' Antony (after as we know she had seduced then deceased Julius Caesar and after Antony had married Augustus' sister): this the article points out is mentioned explicitly by Virgil by \u201csequitur nefas Aegypta coniunx\u201d (\u201cthe Egyptian wife, unspeakable horror, follows.\u201d). Is it right to glory in yet another internecine triumph, the final, after all those that had sucked dry the blood of the youth of Rome? Is Actium itself being compared to the incestuous bridal-chamber murders, most unnatural? Does Augustus, like Aeneas, put an end to foul deeds or rather take glory in them himself? Thus, Virgil in these few lines connects the battle of Actium, the original act of Aeneas, the founding fratricide, and the horror of a wedding night gone bad. Fratricide, incest, rapine, child-bloodletting, regicide are stirred in one gory pot. HOW, O HOW can this depict some right order????",
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"text": "But here's a clincher. It is said that Clonus Eurytides (and who is he?) engraved the belt with much gold. Virgil wouldn't waste a sentence on this detail. Here's my question. the word caelaverat (BTW from caelum) means carved or embossed. But who in his right mind would carve such a horrible deed? And it's on a belt, an article of HONOR only: a point itself of glory. Good Lord, how twisted, not only to do such a thing but to BOAST of it. Is Virgil criticizing Actium? Is Virgil criticising the ENTIRE history of Rome? (And let me note here that Aeneas, I find the strangest, least interesting, most unremarkable character in all great literature, that is character wise, speech wise. I could write much more on that. So, I have wondered whether Virgil is subtly dimming august Augustus. My only other memorable view of Augustus is from Shakespeare, in whom he appears a cynical Machiavel, but I'm less familiar with Antony and Cleopatra than Julius Caesar, wherein he coldly marks friends and foes alike for death, indifferently). But caelaverat can also refer to composing poetry as Horace points out \u201cMirabile visu celatumque novem musis\u201d \u201cwonderful to see and engraved with the nine muses (Ep. 2.2.92 from my nifty never used 160 yr. Old Latin dictionary that almost predates the era of the novel ) Thus, did Clonus engrave the crime and gild it over with MUCH gold just as Virgil is writing this nefas and gilding it over similarly? Is the nefas engraved but covered in gold an analogy for Virgil's poem, gilding a foul deed? More: making look glorious and a badge of honor what really depicts under the gold foul, foul, horrible deeds? Or to be precise to gild in beautiful gold what should not be and should not be seen or heard. Curiouser and curiouser. Not to mention again the word \u201carma\u201d is first of the poem and the founding (condit) is with a sword in the end and those bellowing words of the Sybil reverberating throughout the poem and that age which still ring in my ears: \u201cBELLA HORRIDA BELLA\u201d. For war, as you know the Catechism of Trent teaches, is a punishment from God. And shall Rome, the city of Man, and the new Babylon, glory in its deeds of war? Did Actium extinguish the crimes of Egypt and her nefarious 'husband' or \u201csumit\u201d take them upon herself? As that article suggests, did not Augustus glory in triumph at Actium? OR did he (and Aeneas too) extinguish a foul deed? THAT is the repeated question. Is order restored and peace achieved at last or is it a temporary false peace (providential) but that will not last and DID NOT LAST? Let me suggest this is but a beginning (perhaps), and I should investigate it more and it is worth investigating more. Virgil is hinting at something (and doing clear finger pointing as well) that shouldn't be spoken; it is horrible. As Daniel Lendman mentioned much earlier, there are crimes that he too would not utter, and I hesitate too. \nNow Turnus' crime, the poet indicates, is not to kill the boy himself but in snatching the belt AND the nefas (engraved upon it). And what is nefas? What is his crime? To glory in this act that should not be gloried in (spolio ovat, gaudet potitus). Again does Aeneas himself not \u201csumit\u201d take up the punishment \u201cpoenam\u201d from the blood befouled by his own deed of not showing mercy but acting in hot revenge? Let me put it this way. The poet suggests Turnus would \u201cwish\u201d he might not have killed Pallas, but how is Turnus guilty of murdering Pallas, when Pallas has just gone on a rampage and heaped up piles of corpses? I don't see any opportunity for him to spare the boy who was rash in the first place to enter the battle. Not so, Aeneas, not so. Aeneas might have spared Turnus, but he was overwhelmed with passion. For which surely, too (but how much?) Turnus was to blame who like a hero at Troy would glory in a deed not to be gloried in, the killing of a stripling. But still, for a leader, and a founder of a city, more control is necessary than Aeneas displays. And as to Turnus' \u201ccrime\u201d, might it not be overlooked because that was what was expected, that was what was done: it was the universal custom. Who did not take some trophy from battle? Who does not still? Turnus after all killed the prince of the enemy, who was indeed a leader in battle, his first, and who did glorious deeds. This, at least, might be forgiven. Moreover, too, Turnus was yet young and had been betrothed to marry Lavinia before the well curled men of the East interposed, and thus was cut off before his expected consummation and by the reneging of his father-in-law. In short Turnus is a more close comparison for the description on the belt than Pallas. Finally, Aeneas, not Turnus, had the chance \u201cmorem imponere pacis\u201d to impose the custom of peace and did not; rather he BEAT (debellare) down the \u201csubiectis\u201d the humbled. In short, he SCREWED IT ALL UP. (And that's how I see many of (Augustan) Aeneas' deeds throughout. Without the wits of Odysseus, he wanders aimlessly and acts without foresight. He just follows the gods and never uses his judgement (talk about magisterialistic!!). Who was Aeneas? Who was Augustus? To me at least, Aeneas is neither endearing, nor merely ludicrous, nor again awe-inspiring, nor pitiable.)",
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"text": "Finally, returning to the end of the poem, \u201cindute spoliis meorum\u201d is a bit strange. Does this indicate that that belt, that crime, that nefas, actually BELONGS to Aeneas and NOT Turnus? I say this for spoils are what we take of an enemy; to us they are not spoils. If we reacquire them, we have acquired our possessions and they are no longer articles of glory and triumph. But here he says \u201cspoliis meorum\u201d. And worse. Why not spoliis meis (my spoils)? Why \u201cmeorum\u201d of mine? Who are \u201cOF Aeneas'\u201d if not the Romans who come here after? Spoils i.e. the belt (and the foul deeds they depict), belong to Aeneas, to the Romans. The spoils and glories of Rome: the Danaid statues (??), the triumphal arches; the prisoners led in chains; the prisoners led to be sacrificed (immolat) to the patres and for the patria, for the glory not of the individual but the glory of ROME, pagan Rome and not eternal Rome? And the honor with respect to Rome is the idol in \u201cJulius Caesar\u201d. Rome, iron Rome, that rules with a rod of iron and a sword and that will, like Babylon, be ruined by a rolling stone, from which will emerge Eternal Rome to be sure as well as Christendom, but is not itself eternal Rome, but the City of Man.\nPS. A brief note on the passage from where Creusa's shade bids Aeneas leave (end Bk II)\n\u201cQuid tantum insano iuvat indulgere dolori, O dulcis coniunx? What does it help to indulge in such insane sorrow, O sweet spouse? This does not happen without the will of the gods; not right (fas) for you to carry away from here Creusa, a sojourner nor does that ruler of Olympus above allow. . . . [by the Tiber] there happy things and a kingdom and a royal spouse are portioned thee. Away tears of beloved Creusa. (Lacrimas dilectae pelle Creusae)\u201d \u2013Note the irony that Aeneas weeps, Creusa does not: womanly tears for her whom he love, but it is Creusa who is reasonable. He must leave behind all attachments to found not new Troy, but a new city altogether. As Virgil makes clear (elsewhere), nothing of old Troy shall be a part of the new Rome. Thus nothing is saved. He must follow the will of Zeus and leave his love to marry another for a higher cause, not mere lust (Dido). But I am uncertain how this affects the horrors above. Note the use of fas again. \u201cNot fas\u201d is not the same as nefas. Fas is right, just so. Nefas is unspeakably wrong. Aeneas must not follow his own desire to please himself. But does he purge himself of his passions? If so, how can he be so impassioned in the end? To pursue that inquiry I would need more direction.\nPSS. Finally, a note on Rome, the destruction of which was the ending of an age and a type of the final ending. But old pagan Rome has been restored, the Phoenix is arising from the ashes. The order of the Phoenix unlike that of the Eagle, however, takes its cue from lawlessness, ab chaos ordo; and the Phoenix is a term for the one who was cast down or \u201cthe risen anointed one\u201d. It is the (to what degree they know what they are doing I know not) Straussian project, be assured. They are rebuilding a new old Rome again. Virgil shows many other terrible aspects of the rise of empire. Certainly, there are many benefits as well, but it is very other than Christendom; not so the Phoenix, not so. I would be grateful to be shown the hope that Virgil had in the midst of the darkness which clearly he saw.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I didn't have a chance to respond on Pink's argument. While Pink's essay is good. I recommend doing a ctr + F on professor \"McCall\". While Pink is correct, I think. He is not addressing the elephant in the room. McCall points out the lunacy of fiddling while Rome burns. Do look at his lengthy comment. For IMO the \"hermeunetic of reform, of renewal\" is a wild goose chase that covers for the REAL issues. Not only on liberty but elsewhere. While wasting time finding contintuity (and is that eodem sensu or is that a continuity of continuous change, bit by it?). Perhaps, Daniel Lendman, wouldn't mind having a looksee at McCall's argument. It's probably better than I can do. It was informative. But still what is meant by \"reform\", \"renewal\" and \"continuity\"? Is it not a means to repress (effectually if not intentional) meaningful discussion about important matters that not only are disputable but concern as McCall indicates, teachings of the Church. Gratias multas (and I'll still have to look again at the Newman, but that can sit awhile).",
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"text": "http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/.../on-religious-liberty... The link. Sorry.\nRORATE C\u00c6LI: On the coercive authority of the Church: a response to Fr. Martin...\nRORATE-CAELI.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "Wow. Your textual analysis of the Aeneid is impressive, John, and it is certainly a much more detailed argument than my impressionistic comments way back when on the thread. Let me read what you have written again and think about it. In your admirable effort to be balanced, it seems to me you have not completely closed the door on the position I was taking, so let me keep one toe in that door for the moment.",
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"text": "A digression... A very cakey moment. Solveig Weinberg Sweet 16. Pray for Solveig, my dear friends. She is very good at math, and perhaps she will be first Solveig to go to TAC!",
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"text": "Moon over Kansas.",
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"text": "O moon, O moon,\nSo high, so true;\nRoses shed their thorns for you.",
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"text": "John, message me that analysis? I came to unsubscribe but I saw it and want to read it since it's pertinent to a class I'm leading.",
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"text": "Jeffrey, I have not, indeed. I have just been rolling over those passages in my mind the last few days. And in the end decided to make the strongest argument I could. I do want a new direction. And I have hardly read the whole Aeneid with that much care.",
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"text": "I will say this. That my Latin only REALLY improved when I started teaching Oerberg (Samantha above). And I only first really appreciated the Aeneid a few years ago. It was a piece of dreary work since 10th grade otherwise.",
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"text": "And Virgil's poetry translates so ill, much )worse than Homer in my opinion. It is beautiful in its conciseness and striking thoughts (which English IS NOT) .... [and my Greek is almost useless except for showing off now and again]",
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"text": "Here's a lengthier bit on AUSTEN (to defend my position though not my trolling )\nI have several complaints about Jane Austen. Henry James' \u201cPortrait of a Lady\u201d is thoroughly obnoxious and perhaps he skewed me a bit. But I do have the following problems (in particular with P and P which was my favorite).\n1. The \u201cfixing\u201d of that ending and Darcy's selfish motive.\n2. Dethroning duty in favor of affection. This is easily achieved in P of P because the arranged marriages were only about keeping the wealth together, already far degraded. This is quite the other than say Virgil's Aeneas.\n3. The spiritual bankrupcy of the times. A serious flaw.\n4. In P of P, is either pride or prejudice really overcome in the end?\n5. Are the men, with few exceptions and those like Darcy only somewhat, anything? But that relates to number one and three and six? Who would not detest having such as one's only hope of security and income? Cruel torture indeed.\n6. Finally, she lays seeds for modern feminism (which in its essence is a rejection of woman qua woman and is anti physin.)\nI think these and the problem with the novel itself diminish her work in my estimation. The novel is a form that by its nature I think is ephemeral. Not that I read that many, but they wear out quickly \u2013 or I should say too quickly (it has taken many years). They present something new or amusing, with more or less depth, but they are not lasting. Even the best, their depths are plumbed and when the shortsightedness of their writers becomes clear or their less than comprehensiveness is comprehended, they lose interest. And so many authors are SO CONFUSED and confusing. That said, there are a few I would look at again. Another way to look at them is as distractions or fanning false fantasies, false idols (as Chaucer in the Canterbury Tales implies). I'll take the stories that Alban Butler writes and try not to wenden off the pilgrimage. Poetry, not so. One can savor again and again the lines of a well written poem, short or long. Similarly with drama, which in the best, ever presents something new: the old tales recast are best. But perhaps I've been reading the wrong authors. It's not that I completely disparage the art form. It presents a mirror to reality. It falls short, however, in ever inspiring wonder, or showing forth the beautiful or the true.",
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"text": "1) What are you talking about? 2) Again, what are you talking about? There aren't any arranged marriaged in P and P. 3) What spiritual bankruptcy? 4) Yes. 5) What do you mean by \"anything?\" 6) Where is that WTF button we discussed earlier?",
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"text": "Seriously, about number 6. *What* are you talking about? How does she lay seeds for modern feminism in a way that is problematic?",
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"text": "John, for what it's worth, I think I agree with your points about Austen for the most part. But I don't think I agree with the claim that the novel, as an art form, necessarily falls short of poetry or drama. Is that your claim?",
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"text": "And really. I really want to know what you mean by this \"lays the seeds of modern feminism\" bit.",
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"text": "For example Jane's marriage to Bingley--Jane's duty to her family is met, but there is obviously disinterested affection there as well.",
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"text": "Well did Austen's work inspire any masterpieces like this?\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU\nThere is all you need. Only the greatest author could inspire such art.\nLeonard Nimoy - The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins [FULL VERSION] - best quality\nSometimes, a body gets a hankering that only Leonard...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "^Why didn't he help you out?",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Was your tutor Seeley?",
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"text": "Only 3 of us had finished the reading, I think.",
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"text": "Ouch.",
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"text": "Appleby.",
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"text": "Ouch. Yeah, I can see him doing that.",
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"text": "I got so angry at Sean Collins in sophomore theology so I said something mean about Augustine and he burst out laughing. And kept laughing the angrier I got.",
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"text": "I remember Mr. Seeley wearing stuffed reindeer antlers for some KK prank.",
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"text": "hey, there's been enough testosterone on this thread. it's time to pour tea and talk about the weather.",
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"text": "Then my shoulder was a nonstop bruise because I sat next to O'Reilly during sophomore philosophy.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That's a guess, but I'm right, aren't I?",
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"text": "why do people sit next to tutors, I don't get it.",
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"text": "Katie Martin... if we must name names...",
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"text": "I think I felt like I needed penance or something.",
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"text": "Wow, I'm shocked there were *two* people who did that.",
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"text": "I thought I had Cain's prop system all figured out and then he mixed it up on us...",
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"text": "actually, i think my freshman math tutor was the only one i ever sat next to as well, haha",
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"text": "I only sat next to Kolbeck, because I always hoped he would give me a hug.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Remember the Tweety Bird tie?",
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"text": "WITH the plaid shirt...",
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"text": "I wish I had had Kolbeck for another class besides Freshman philosophy, blah.",
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"text": "I had him for Jr. Philosophy, and it was a dream class.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "You didn't weep?",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "very jealous...",
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"text": "I never had Kolbeck at all. Made me very sad.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Letteney for Latin was HYSTERICAL.",
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"text": "^haha! sounds epic",
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"text": "I DID have Wiker for sophomore seminar and he was amazing. Had he stayed I would have asked him to be my advisor.",
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"text": "I still think Dr. Wiker should be a founding member of the post-TAC grad program.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Though he might rather do something else.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "He was fantastic. Every seminar I had with him - well, except for the Faerie Queen - was exceptional.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "[What my recent-TAC-grad cousin just posted on her Facebook (she's teaching high school): \"My freshmen are seemingly finding it impossible to grasp the fact that we can believe that God exists by anything other than faith. Is it really that difficult? I'm stumped. Thoughts?\"]",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name_length": 11,
"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Has she introduced them to St. Thomas' 5 ways?",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "She should give them that St. Paul quote I think and have them discuss it. I think that's the best place to start...",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Yes, I think that's the problem. (I was joking by posting this -- since it goes back to one of the original discussions on this infernal thread...)",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "c'mon ladies, your memory lane chit-chat should take us over 12K in about 10 minutes",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Rom 1:20?",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Yes, I agree.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I'm trying to do some Peregrine-baiting, Beetia.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "All-right, more memory chit-chat. Let's take TNET over the edge.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I can go away now...",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Catherine, you instigator.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Once Mr. Kolbeck almost walked out of my freshman philosophy class...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "c'mon Catherine, you know that without magisterial proclamations, no one could ever know that God exists (just don't tell St. Paul that)",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Mr. Paietta most certainly stormed out of our freshman Theology class.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "At LEAST once.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Seeley just laughed at our philosophy class.",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Coughlin snarked in Theology.",
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"text": "Stormed? I would have paid to see him storm. I had him for 3.5 hours on Tuesdays freshman year... lab and then Seminar. ooof. (RIP pi-pi)",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "we were a half hour away from the end and you could hear crickets chirping and he was like \"let's stop here\"",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "Try having Hartmann for sophomore lab. We nearly set the trailers on fire.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "then me and Brian Hong did some fast talking and we ended up finishing.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Ok! we're so close guys.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "I feel sorry for those who never had Molly Gustin. Those hours were priceless.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "One of my favorite moments was when Mr. Nieto mentioned casually that most females including humans were physically affected by the moon's phases, shocking a few (non-homeschooled) girls in the class. They raced for the computer room to verify right after class ended.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "hahaha wow",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "ALL right ladies. Some advice. . . . . .",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "1 of my favorite memories? James Hanson and Fr JP Erickson making me the tester for all the chemicals, including substance D.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "I know, I never had Gustin, Neumayr, McArthur, Letteney, O'Reilly, Quackenbush, Appleby, and several others. I wonder who I did have?",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name_length": 12,
"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "Oh dear, is he going to be asking for our advice or giving us advice?",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Megan Baird",
"text": "You never had O'REILLY? I had him twice!",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "well its like this . . . . . . .",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "You got it, Megan. 12,000. Now who woulda thunk it back at 1,100?",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "it's seems to be an ultimatum of sorts. . . . .",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "They can only _believe_ that God exists by faith",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Now we should get to 13692",
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"text": "just kidding. But good on the pick up, Catherine.",
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"text": "Emily: so did I!",
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"text": "We were about 18 pages behind everyone. We barely touched the actual math in Einstein. It was delightful - all theorizing.",
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"text": "Did anyone else have Shields for junior math?",
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"text": "as one who hasn't studied Heideger, what does that mean?",
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"text": "But, seriously, my intention was to indicate their apparent intellectual inclinations, not to directly answer the Straussian question.",
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"text": "they have good taste",
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"text": "But they tend to obfuscate the clear passages in Aristotle to match their readings of the more obscure passages.",
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"text": "(And I may be slightly biased by interactions with one particularly loud Johnnie.)",
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"text": "What Straussian position?",
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"text": "Klein was helpful in my intellectual develpment. But Braun seems a big drop off. Johnnies are arrogant in their scepticism.",
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"text": "What Straussian position were you referring to, John Ruplinger?",
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"text": "Position?",
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"text": "Interpretation, that is.",
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"text": "I know that the senior lab program was in flux when I was there. Collins put much more of an emphasis on Maxwell than the other sections did.\nI feel like I read Einstein without understanding him. Although, to be fair, that was true of quite a bit of the curriculum senior year.",
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"text": "Isak, I had to scroll a *WHOLE FIVE MINUTES* to find where you mentioned me. I hate you.\nTo the lot of you, things of this nature are best suited for classrooms, oratories, or whiskey bars. That is all.",
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"text": "Honestly, i need to spend more time on Aquinas. I find the greats very helpful. Straussians not so much.",
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"text": "by that i mean only in their (Aver,Mach, Strauss) interpretation. My good friend and mentor is trying to refute their latest and having trouble. He is much brighter than I. And no one else is trying.",
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"text": "I disagree, Tom Malone, things of this nature are totally suited to TNET.",
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"text": "And I don't think the addition of whiskey consumption to this thread would result in a very noticeable difference.",
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"text": "More songs, maybe.",
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"text": "Isak Benedict I've regularly consumed adult beverages (especially whisky) while posting to this thread: so any difference it could make it has already made.",
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"text": "It's partly why I hope Jeffrey Bond would meet him. They have both grappled with the Straussians and have similar dispositions. Both love Plato (not to be confused with Platonism).",
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"text": "Most of the S. John's graduates I've encountered have been absolutely delightful. If there's a reputation for arrogance there too, I still say it's not a fair universal.",
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"text": "No lead. No more.",
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"text": "One of my fav drinking stories: we left TAC to go ... boating ... boating ... on Lake Piru.\nSausages. BBQ. And bricks of cheap beer. Sun. Illegal swimming. Good friends.\nWe pulled in to the station to refill our cups. We were in our early 20s. We shone like the sun. Empties were all over. We were wet from swimming. No life jackets. Man on the bow. Breaking every rule. So they pull us over.\nAnd a dear friend. Who shall not be named. Driving the boat (named the \"Jackie Treehorn\", because it held a lot of water in that town, and you don't hold crap Lebowski). \nHe was asked how many he'd had. His lie-ish answer, trying to low lowball but remain realistic re the day? To the police on the lake?\n\"I've had...5 or 6...officer.\"",
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"text": "And in how many ways is this Thread going to destroy what little chance I had of tenure anywhere?!?",
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"text": "Lord is Lord: so say the Straussians exoterically of course. But what they really say. . . . .",
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"text": "The Loeb translators are meant to be an aid as I understand. They are poor otherwise. My favorite Greek translators are Grene, Lattimore, Hobbes, Dryden et al., and the Straussians. Chapman's Homer too. They are great unless you know better in which case let me know.",
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"text": "his NT is so much better than most of what Protestants use, I can tell you that",
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"text": "\"The New Jerusalem Bible\" by commitee. . . . . . I like accountability too.",
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"text": "Joshua, not even a rough translation just to start off?",
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"text": "I always talk tragic Russian literature, while thinking to myself I should have stuck with the math",
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"text": "He or she has probably just had too much TNET. \nKatie: you can say that twice....",
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"text": "Hey, Katie, don't you think I'm right about Stiva?",
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"text": "And we have all had too much TNET, Michael.",
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"text": "I'm trying to find that comment, Samantha. But if I remember correctly, yes.",
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"text": "that's a Lewisian rabbit hole you'll never find the end of",
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"text": "I said that Stiva is worthless, and Dolly is solely responsible for everything good in their marriage and family, basically",
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"text": "I thought fixing my footnotes was bad...",
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"text": "More or less, yes. She's also the one who can be happy with the family. (I am thinking her conversation with Anna most specifically)",
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"text": "I found Dolly *much* more interesting the last time I read AK (first time since becoming a mother)",
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"text": "five minutes are up. see y'all.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "One word: chartreuse",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "or, in my case, not enough.",
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"text": "Is there such a thing as too much math?",
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"text": "like philosophically?",
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"text": "What does *too much philosophically* mean? Or is it just a way to say you can't have too much of a study of quantity?",
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"text": "(I'm avoiding those footnotes)",
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"name": "John Kunz",
"text": "Speaking of math / this keeps showing up in my feed...",
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"text": "Katie, it was to distinguish from too much math as in \"I have twenty pages of partial differential equations to solve\" too much. \nIs it possible to know and study too much math? for most people, there is no math more difficult than adding (I suppose occasional percents, if one were to bother figuring out sales tax). So if we're going to study *any* math, outside of learning how to count, can there be too much?",
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"text": "I think it requires moderation. Especially in youth who are excellent at it.",
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"text": "It can lead them to think that is the only real truth because it is easier to gras p.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . . . . . . . . or",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "wasn't it Poincare who said \"the pure mathematician studies mathematics not because it is useful, but because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful\"",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "IMHO, however, mathematics is the most knowable science in and of itself. So if we are to be knowers, it is probably best that we start by knowing the most knowable. I told my algebra students (back in the way back when I taught math) that disliking algebra was a sign of good taste. If it is unintelligible, there's probably a problem with how it is presented. Mathematics is a good counter to skepticism",
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"text": ". . . . . (they become Beitia's). But seriously the young mathmetician should be kept away until he is better rounded. After that, it is fine. It reminds me of my struggles trying to balance a curriculum where most of the board members were mathemeticians.",
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"text": "when my wife's cousin was getting a degree in Biology I used to tease him saying: \nBiology is applied chemistry, chemistry is applied physics, and physics is applied math. So you're studying applied applied applied math. Skip the middle man.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "BUT MB. That is the problem. Algebra is not taught well.",
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"text": "it is an absolute failure. The Alg. I book I had started off with \"there are collections of things, some of these things are called sets\" WTF!? how about we start with the knowable first, like, IDK, COUNTING?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I showed some students how the quadratic formula is just a generalization from \"completing the square\" - minds blown! They were truly surprised that it came from somewhere",
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"text": "I dont say no math. Just not excessive. Most students shouldnt do calculus in HS. ESPECIALLY the way it is taught.",
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"text": "hah I had 4 years in high school (last year was independent study)",
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"text": "you are an exception. I said most. AND IT IS TERRIBLY taught.",
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"text": "horribly. worse taught than most subjects. It generally boils down to memorization for most students, and no notion of the organic development of mathematical ideas. If I was more energetic, like Peterson, I'd actually try to do something about it. But I'm not. I just work with my kids.",
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"text": "Seriously. If you dont know the derivation of the quad. formula, what is the point? What you \"know\"? I know a principal that introduces Euclid well and with interest in 7th grade.",
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"text": "BUT setting aside how badly it is taught, it is an art. There are others that take more time. There are more than 1 (or 2) liberal arts.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "4 are math, thank you (and one could claim logic too.... I think there may be an argument there)",
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"text": ". . . . i have a problem with people like you. You are proving my point. They think everything is math. . . . It all becomes numbers which leads to one inevitable conclusion",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "as Walker Percy might say.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . \"TO THE GAS CHAMBERS!\" (with you non mathemeticians )",
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"text": "yes yes to the gas chambers\n#unlessyouhavegnosis",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "logic is not math, you usurper. It is precisely YOU people that have ruined the world . You . . . . .",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . . you",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . . NAZIS /TNET ",
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"text": "GODWINS LAW : 12263",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "but does it count really? If you were intentionally trying to allude to godwin's law in jest?",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "No, it doesn't.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "what do I have to do to get called a Nazi?\n#Hitleriangnosis",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I know!!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Daniel, do you have Hitleriangnosis? Help me out here",
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"text": "But I am in Austria and that is highly impolitic.",
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"text": "Re: math. I learned (at least some) algebra, forgot all of it before I went to TAC, had to learn it all over again from scratch basically, forgot it again immediately, and it will have to study it from practically zero if I ever decide to take the GRE. \nSome people just have a greater aptitude for mathematical disciplines. My aunt was the same way. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but some things just make more sense to other people.",
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"text": "Yeah, I'm an Aryan.",
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"text": "fair enough. \nFreshman year at TAC Ms. Zedlick said my roommate had a nice German name. He told her it was Austrian. She said \"same thing\"",
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"text": "NOT the same thing.",
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"text": "At all.",
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"text": "tell that to a Prussian, I suppose",
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"text": "Was she just trying to annex Austria with one remark?",
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"text": "hahahaha",
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"text": "but to the point of math, Catherine, I think it is a grave defect in the teacher.",
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"text": "That could be.",
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"text": "or the text, in the case of most high schools",
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"text": "or both. there's sooo much blame to throw around",
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"text": "I am Prussian and Austrian.",
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"text": "But I've watched some people struggle FAR less with the same problems/processes. Perhaps it was their previous preparation.",
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"text": "But the Austrians ruled Germany for many centuries.",
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"text": "But not at the same time and in the same respect, Daniel, right?",
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"text": "probably. And some people are just smarter than others (re: math)",
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"text": "Yep.",
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"text": "But some people are smarter than others (re:words)",
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"text": "the protestants in Prague threw some Catholics out a window.",
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"text": "I suppose this is a bad time to stump for my new political party: UPDP?",
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"text": "Oh, as in a Defenestration problem.",
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"text": "Everyone can get poetry too. That also is mistaught badly. And mixing in complete excrement doesnt help one get it. But i do agree with CR",
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"text": "\"United People's Defenestration Party\" \nWe would like to throw politicians out windows",
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"text": "Must. resist. urge.",
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"text": "to post Smiths' video!",
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"text": "We can disagree on Yeats. But he was quite something. \nTolkien wrote a seminal essay on criticism titled \"Beowulf, the Monsters and the Critics,\" in which he asserted that the philosophers of language had taken form out of stories by examing too closely the minutiae of words and letters, as if those words and letters were blocks which were once part of a tower from which you could view the ocean; but they recognized them only as blocks, and not part of this form. I think the same thing has happened to poetry.",
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"text": "I sigh that kiss you,\nFor I must own\nThat I shall miss you\nWhen you have grown.",
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"text": "What other problems/causes?",
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"text": "The form of some of the ancient Hebrew poetry in the Old Testament is interesting. The parallelism, where the thoughts come in threes; it is kind of a free verse, definitely poetry and not prose, and is compelling emotionally and logically, rhetorically. I'll try to find an example.",
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"text": "Edward how about this:\nhttp://www.bartleby.com/148/3.html\n3. An Irish Airman foresees his Death. Yeats, W. B. 1919. The Wild Swans at Coole\nBARTLEBY.COM",
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"text": "btw this \"poets are lazy mathematicians\" is bullshit. A computer can do higher math; it cannot write a real poem",
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"text": "Thank you, JA!",
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"text": "I expected that. So here:\nhttp://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E910001-055.html\nMeditations in Time of Civil War\nThe works by W. B. Yeats are in the public domain. This electronic text is available with prior consent of the CELT programme for purposes of private or academic research and teaching.\nUCC.IE",
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"text": "Including scotch made after the blend that Shackleton personally crafted for his expedition.",
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"text": "Maybe it has to do with tanning?",
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"text": "A poetic figure is analgogous to a mathematical. Some poems are poetic figures in their entirety, an entire metaphor, is all I meant.",
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"text": "I used to have perfect spelling. Then I went to graduate school.",
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"text": "\"His colleague Alfr\u00e9d R\u00e9nyi said, \"a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems\",[14] and Erd\u0151s drank copious quantities. (This quotation is often attributed incorrectly to Erd\u0151s,[15] but Erd\u0151s himself ascribed it to R\u00e9nyi.[16]) After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month.[17] Erd\u0151s won the bet, but complained that during his abstinence, mathematics had been set back by a month: \"Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper.\" After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine use.\"",
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"text": "\"He had his own idiosyncratic vocabulary: Although an agnostic atheist,[18][19] he spoke of \"The Book\", a visualization of a book in which God had written down the best and most elegant proofs for mathematical theorems.[20] Lecturing in 1985 he said, \"You don't have to believe in God, but you should believe in The Book.\" He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the \"Supreme Fascist\" (SF).[21][22] He accused SF of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports, and of keeping the most elegant mathematical proofs to himself. When he saw a particularly beautiful mathematical proof he would exclaim, \"This one's from The Book!\". This later inspired a book entitled Proofs from THE BOOK.\"",
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"text": "do you have an equation that proves that Joel? or is it just a hunch",
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"text": "Or perhaps you meant \"foal\"?",
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"text": "\"Television is something the Russians invented to destroy American education.\"",
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"text": "JA Escalante \"poetry is more closely allied to the phantasm which is the ore-vein of the concept; math yields little\" Really?",
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"text": "Euclid, beautiful? I thought him rather homely....now Apollonius was a real catch....",
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"text": "Aye, but the Math does not convey the beauty. It conveys something else; the beauty just comes along with it, like a woman riding a horse.",
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"text": "I have done meth, does that count?",
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"text": "What is this \"infima doctrina\" stuff?",
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"text": "Samantha, I think it's from St. Thomas. But I think the intention concerns its logical structure, not its utility.",
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"text": "The content of math is literal. The content of poetry is imaginary. The content of rhetoric is contingent. The form of all three is the same.",
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"text": "Math is the propaedeutic to philosophy. It is also the science best proportioned to our intellects. But poetry is great as well, though I don't understand claims that poeticals are \"the richest beings of reason.\"",
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"text": "But you see math as beautiful, Ed, because you are beautiful inside, not because of the math.",
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"text": "So, Scott, you're now saying that poetry isn't beautiful but leads to beauty too?",
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"text": "Incommensurables, guys.",
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"text": "\"Aye, but the Math does not convey the beauty. It conveys something else; the beauty just comes along with it, like a woman riding a horse.\"",
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"text": "But the praise of poetry at the expense of math is usually a compensation technique.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, I think you are right. About 10,000 posts ago I post a division of \"Logica\", among discursive reason I divided it into three, that producing conclusions necessary, that producing probable conclusions and that producing error\nThe 2nd is divided into three...that producing opinion, that producing suspicion and the producing estimation, and that last was ascribed to the Poetics, as it inclines us to one side ofa contradiction through the appeal of beauty. It is the weakest, in that the Topics produces opinions, i.e. the mind is totally declined to one side, and the Rhetoric suspicion, the mind is partially declined, but the Poetics only produces, for lack of a better word, an attraction to one side.",
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"text": "Ed, I think human imagination (properly informed) can be said to be beautiful, just as the human will (properly informed) can said to be good; just as the human intellect (properly informed) can be said to be true. \nMath conveys the true; rhetoric the good; poetry the beautiful. \nPoetry is a tool. The poet informs the form of his art with beauty. The poet is both informed by formal unity in the world, and informs the world with beauty in his poetical observation of the world and things in it. He then informs the poem with this form. In one sense, the poem possess beauty. But it is a beauty to transmit and inform the reader. It is a short cut to metaphysical beauty; in a similar way, a math equation can be the briefest possible description of a geometrical universal.\nBut what do I know? I am really a fool at times, and never wise.",
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"text": "What's happening here? Josh, are you saying poetry is a kind of discursive reasoning?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--w/r/t your \"weasel distinction,\" I think that's it is probably right to say that Poetry is much higher considered as an art, and mathematics can also be considered an art as well (e.g. algorithms, engineering, etc.).",
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"text": "One may argue that its utility is the greatest though, in that it appeals to the greatest number of men\nPoetry in general seems to have sprung from two causes, each of them lying deep in our nature. First, the instinct of imitation is implanted in man from childhood, one difference between him and other animals being that he is the most imitative of living creatures, and through imitation learns his earliest lessons; and no less universal is the pleasure felt in things imitated. We have evidence of this in the facts of experience. Objects which in themselves we view with pain, we delight to contemplate when reproduced with minute fidelity: such as the forms of the most ignoble animals and of dead bodies. The cause of this again is, that to learn gives the liveliest pleasure, not only to philosophers but to men in general; whose capacity, however, of learning is more limited. (1448b1)",
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"text": "Josh is quoting Aquinas in saying so, in one of his proemiums to logic.",
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"text": "Yes Mrs. Cohoe. Not syllogistic, but it does lead the mind to new places, no?",
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"text": "Pelican of mercy, Jesus, Lord and God,\nCleanse me, wretched sinner, in Thy Precious Blood:\nBlood where one drop for human-kind outpoured\nMight from all transgression have the world restored.",
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"text": "It is not the point of poetry to produce conclusions.",
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"text": "I think the claim is that poetry has a certain relation to logic insofar as it can often lead people to a conclusion through its proper method. But this isn't to say that it's properly a part of logic.",
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"text": "See STA commentary on the Posterior Analytics: http://dhspriory.org/thomas/PostAnalytica.htm#02\nFOREWORD OF ST. THOMAS AQUINAS - Thomas Aquinas: Posteriora Analytica: English\n\u03b1\u1f35 \u03c4\u03b5 \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u03bc\u03b1\u03b8\u03b7\u03bc\u03b1\u03c4\u03b9\u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f10\u03c0\u03b9\u03c3\u03c4\u03b7\u03bc\u1ff6\u03bd \u03b4\u03b9\u1f70 \u03c4\u03bf\u03cd\u03c4\u03bf\u03c5 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03c4\u03c1\u03cc\u03c0\u03bf\u03c5 \u03c0\u03b1\u03c1\u03b1\u03b3\u03af\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f04\u03bb\u03bb\u03c9\u03bd \u1f11\u03ba\u03ac\u03c3\u03c4\u03b7 \u03c4\u03b5\u03c7\u03bd\u1ff6\u03bd.\nDHSPRIORY.ORG",
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"text": "Is poetry a counterpart of logic, like rhetoric is a counterpart of dialectic?",
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"text": "Sure it is, not again in the manner of a syllogism, but through and in beauty, yes. Beauty, after all, appeals to the mind in a way the good appeals to the will, it attracts it. Beauty has that ratio of truth blended with the ratio of good. \nOr are we not supposed to contemplate anything in beauty?",
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"text": "Thanks Joel HF-\nAt times, however, belief or opinion is not altogether achieved, but suspicion is, because reason does not lean to one side of a contradiction unreservedly, although it is inclined more to one side than to the other. To this the Rhetoric is devoted. At other times a mere fancy inclines one to one side of a contradiction because of some representation, much as a man turns in disgust from certain food if it is described to him in terms of something disgusting. And to this is ordained the Poetics. For the poet\u2019s task is to lead us to something virtuous by some excellent description. And all these pertain to the philosophy of the reason, for it belongs to reason to pass from one thing to another. (from Joel's link)",
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"text": "Is the conclusion of the poetic method that it informs the soul somehow, in a related by different way than logic?",
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"text": "Seems pretty reductive to equate contemplating beauty with producing conclusions.",
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"text": "I wonder if also it is because poetry can be used to move the mind to a certain conclusion--though that may not be the only (or even the primary) thing poetry does. Beauty is worthwhile for its own sake, after all, and not merely as a sort of 2nd rate rhetoric and 3rd rate syllogism.",
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"text": "I'm not saying it can't aid in producing conclusions. As long as we're not judging poetry relative to other disciplines based on its ability to convince the mind of something, then I'm good.",
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"text": "Maybe I am using conclusion more broadly here...I am not thinking of it as the end of a syllogism, but as that to which the mind is led....in a certain sense does not all art attempt to lead the mind in some sense?",
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"text": "I think the burden of proof is on anyone who claims that math isn't beautiful.",
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"text": "In fact, beauty may refer to the clearest sort of \"seeing\" of what truly is, when mind and heart are ordered rightly in relation to being via this beholding.",
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"text": "Sure, but not for the purpose of producing conclusions. At least, not necessarily, and I think, not usually.",
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"text": "and the only reason you snobs pick Apollonius over Euclid is because we have only the basics of Euclid.",
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"text": "Brian Dragoo has a thesis for what ails yah arguing that math is beautiful.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Joel, I think that's why poetry (and for a similar reason, rhetoric) is not properly part of logic.",
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"text": "Anyone ever heard of an \"elegant\" proof. No no no no no we only talk about the brute force of the proof bludgeoning us with logic",
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"text": "On a related note, I think a lot of the funky mysticism about beauty happens because people lose sight of the first sense of beauty: namely, a certain consonance between something seen or heard and the sense power that produces pleasure.\nSure, that isn't the most noble sense of the term, but the characteristics of that sensible account govern the use of the term.",
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"text": "take a simple construction, like Euclid II. 11. In order to cut the line in the golden ratio, he first constructs it on the side. Elegant, and makes the beautiful spiral root, in the construction. (and it rears its ugly [I mean beautiful by ugly] head again in inscribing the pentagon)",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "St. Thomas's \"What, when seen, pleases\".",
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"text": "From it, in particular, we learn that something is beautiful when it is well proportioned to our powers: both absolutely and taking into account our particular circumstances.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Newton's proofs in Book III of the Principia?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "a simple drawing of Utah is the basis of the golden ratio, the pentagon, and finally the most complex of the platonic solids. Where again is the lack of beauty in understanding?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "In the former sense, there is an objective order between beautiful things (which Mozart happens to be at the top of); in the latter, it's more true to say that \"beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder\"",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Mozart. Pish-posh.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "^he's no Schoenberg^",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "You have denied a #tacdogma: this incurs a _latae sententiae_ excommunication.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "lol",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Mozart is only beautiful because of #mathgnosis",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Quoth Mrs. Gustin.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I thought Euclid's proof on the equilateral tringle led to beauty and truth. The perfectness of the form of the triangle is beautiful. Maybe you cannot say this, but maybe you can. I do not know. Maybe the form is not beautiful. Just true.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Ah, but Mrs. Gustin thought Beethoven was the best!",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "(please help! Does anyone know what a semiduplex rite is ecclesiastically?)",
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"text": "Really? Not Bach?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Nerdiest \"please help\" request ever!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Etymology, nature and synonyms. The word semi-double (semi-duplex) is derived from the Latin; and some writers hold that the word indicates feasts which are of lower rank and solemnity than double feasts. Others hold that it means simply, feasts holding a place between double feasts and simple feasts. Most writers on liturgy hold that on some days a double office\u2014one of the feast and one of the feria\u2014was held, and that in order to shorten this double recitation there was said a composite office, partly of the saint's office and partly of the feria; and they say that from this practice arose the term semi-double, or half-double.\nSynonyms for the term \"semi-duplex,\" are \"non-duplex,\" \"office of nine lessons.\"\n1. The antiphons are not doubled in a semi-double office.\n2. The Sundays of the year, excepting Easter Sunday, Low Sunday, Pentecost and Trinity, are said according to the semi-double rite. In the new Breviaries the Psalms for Matins are only nine in number, instead of the eighteen of the older book.\n3. The versicles, antiphons, responses, preces and suffrages of saints, which are recited in semi-double offices, are given below under their own titles.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Bach is the only serious contender for the title.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But I think he's overly cerebral.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Thank you!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Quoted from here: http://www.sanctamissa.org/.../divine-office-quigley-09.html",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I don't know the authority of the source, but it seems to be a relatively straight-forward kinda question.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Too much #mathgnosis?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Yes, b/c Bach lacked (or didn't make much use of) the Sonata form, whereas it reached its peak w/ Beethoven, and the Sonata form gave the greatest unity and largest scope to a composition (or so saith my memory of Mrs. Gustin).",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That sounds sort of familiar",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Beethoven is overly emotional.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Mozart is the golden mean.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "#truth",
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"text": "I also suspect she rather liked the masculinity of Beethoven as compared to Mozart. But that's my private view.",
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"text": "Bach is too mathy",
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"text": "What's so great about Sonatas? I think she was prejudiced against church music.",
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"text": "Sonata is actually a church form.",
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"text": "(the way a classical minuet was a dance form)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Really? what part of the liturgy?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Edward Langley sed contra, the mean is Nigel Tufnel.",
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"text": "And I quote: \"You know, just simple lines intertwining, you know, very much like \u2014 I'm really influenced by Mozart and Bach, and it's sort of in between those, really. It's like a Mach piece, really.\"",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "See, this is the problem with music criticism (or criticism of the arts in general) at TAC. One is not trained in it (a training which demands many years of service in the temple of beauty), so one just falls back on one's own likes and dislikes, and if one is a tutor (or if there is a group of tutors who have the same tastes), this gets elevated into dogma, but it's not dogma at all. I think Richard Delahide Ferrier will back me up here.",
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"text": "I'm not exactly sure.\nBut I had a violin teacher point out to me that the difference between a \"partita\" and a \"sonata\" (particularly referring to Bach's partitas and sonatas for unaccompanied violin) was that the former was stylized dance music while the latter was stylized church music.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Was Joshua above suggesting that poetry is that art by which women can be brought to a different conclusion? Or did i miss something? ",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Per wiki there were 2 forms of sonata originally",
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"text": "haha, I was just wiki-ing",
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"text": "\"In the works of Arcangelo Corelli and his contemporaries, two broad classes of sonata were established, and were first described by S\u00e9bastien de Brossard in his Dictionaire de musique (third edition, Amsterdam, ca. 1710): the sonata da chiesa (that is, suitable for use in church), which was the type \"rightly known as Sonatas\", and the sonata da camera (proper for use at court), which consists of a prelude followed by a succession of dances, all in the same key. \"",
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"text": "And the Church Sonata gives rise to the modern Sonata form.",
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"text": "Also, I don't recall why Gustin thought the Sonata form was the so great. She probably had reasons, though, and it sounds like something that would be a truism at TAC.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman do you recall Gustin's arguments for why Sonatas are so great?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Hey John-- if you really want to start something you should defend that claim you made about Austen and feminism. I no longer respond to anything less than dragon level trolling.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Daniel O'Connell, some of us have been (almost exclusively) listening classical music since before we were born.",
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"text": "I am one of those people, Edward. Well, at least since I was 5. Anyway, the rule should be: No criticism until you've read Goethe's Conversations, Kant's 3rd critique, and at least 200 pages of Ruskin.\nTo be serious for a moment, though: perhaps some develop more slowly than others. For myself, I had certain definite tastes by the time I was 18, but I feel I couldn't really begin to engage in criticism (of music, or painting, or poetry) until I was about 35 or so. But perhaps I was being scrupulous.",
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"text": "Criticism is like Hume's maxims: one can know the maxims as a very young person, but it takes decades until one has learned how to apply them.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "That may be right, for some sense of criticism, but the vice of music criticism is overemphasizing technique.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Mrs. Gustin also once hummed Metallica's Enter Sandman.... I think I find the favoring Beethoven over Mozart more surprising though",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Pretty sure TNET broke facebook there for a few minutes",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "You had same problem?",
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"text": "Here's a poem:\nA cat\nS. A. T. \nInanimate\nStock\nC\nR\nA\nS\nH\nThe cat cares not. \nHe has his money\nIn silver and gold.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "yep. too much #gnosis.",
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"text": "Everyone did...there is a site that tests \"is it down for me or everyone\" it said FB was down for everyone",
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"text": "Probably the revelation that Gustin hummed Metallica....small rip in the space time fabric there",
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"text": "^another good theory",
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"text": "I can contemplate beauty without poetry. But I can do neither without imagination.",
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"text": "Yeah...we were sitting with her and the claim was made that a sign of the depravity of such music was that it was not memorable....so we got Louis Bolin, who had been tortured with Metallica by James Layne to regurgitate it, and Gustin repeated it back just fine.",
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"text": "That was a twofer really",
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"text": "Saying \"A Cat S.A.T....\" is a poem, is like saying 1+3+7=25-6...[24] is a mathematical equation.",
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"text": "James Layne waterboarded Bolin with music? HA!",
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"text": "IIRC Louis had said something derogatory about rock music, and his example was the Beatles...and we told him that wasn't real rock music, so James had a CD of Metallica and we played it in my room...Louis did not look all that pleased.\nWe subjected him to it again during the summer. He had his own room, next to ours, and was playing some track over and over...I think it was Schubert, don't remember. I wanted to go to bed and I knocked on his door asking him to zip it. He refused. I had 4 speakers and a subwolfer and James had the Metallica. We checked with our neighbors to see if they were fine with a music war....Louis came over saying he didn't mind, but maybe the others would be upset, and I could say, no, they are cool with it...I cam over a little later and he had moved to the other side of his room with his little laptop speakers put close to his ears...walls vibrating from the Metallica.....that was glorious.",
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"text": "Poor mathematicians butcher poetry, and faith. The really excellent ones treasure it.",
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"text": "Black Sabbath > Metallica. Discuss.",
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"text": "What is there TO discuss once you've heard War Pigs, Iron man, Black Sabbath, etc?",
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"text": "Metallica sucks. I do like having \"speak like James Hetfield Day-ah at work\"",
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"text": "Joel HF, it had something to do with overtones.",
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"text": "And some prog rock bands, like YES, should be fined for outrageous lyrics, such as: \"Hot color, melting the anger to stone.\"",
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"text": "Mozart is, by far, the best. But it is certainly okay to listen to others.",
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"text": "^^!!!!!!",
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"text": "^I take it you agree.",
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"text": "See, this is what I'd like to get away from. \"X is the best.\"",
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"text": "Mozart was a mason, therefore defective. He also had a very dirty mind....very dirty\nPalestrina is the best, thank you.",
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"text": "/trolling",
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"text": "@Daniel: How can you even say that? One can say that, at a given time in European history, in Western music, Mozart was the most accomplished composer. But imagine trying to compare him to Leonin and Perotin, Wm. Byrd, Bach, Beethoven, Mahler, Berg and Aaron Copeland. The sentence does not signify. Or it is twaddle.",
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"text": "Say instead: \"Mozart is my favorite composer.\"",
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"text": "Well, Molly Gustin gave me some good tools for objectively evaluating music. That being the case, I admit that there is a range of composers that one might consider \"the best.\" \nHowever, I find that the more people listen, the more they will come to agree with me... it is inevitable.",
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"text": "Here's a good dialectical argument for why those tools are not objective: look at Greek music at the time of Plato ... Molly's tools would not even know where to begin! The mode of classical western music is not even a mode Plato would admit (IIRC)!",
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"text": "Mr. Lendman, having listened to the entirety of Mozart's works, maybe I have to agree. Especially k.231. (or k382c in the revised numbering). Though k382d (in old nubering k.233) may be superior\nThat latter is titled, \"Leck mir den Arsch fein recht sch\u00f6n sauber\"\nYeah, Mozart definitely the best at reaching such lofty heights....\nIn all seriousness, he is a bit overrated.",
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"text": "^false.",
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"text": "Try forming sentences more like these (this is truly my opinion now: I believe it): \"Die Zauberfl\u00f6te is the opera that I love best. I can't imagine a better opera.\" \"La traviata is a close second, in my book, followed by Les contes d'Hoffmann.\"",
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"text": "I will try.",
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"text": "Le Nozze di Figaro is clearly the greatest opera ever written.",
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"text": "Although I understand why someone might thing Don Giovanni is.",
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"text": "How'd I do? ",
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"text": "Now me: Within Mozart's operas, Die Zauberfl\u00f6te is clearly the greatest of his operas, a comedy, just as Twelfth Night is Shakespeare's best play.",
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"text": "It's okay Dan. I am with you. But then again, I am also partial to Bowie.",
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"text": "Joshua, don't be a puritan. A little ass licking on occasion is funny.",
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"text": "Can anyone today talk to about poetry and music, who has the same kind of artistic force as Mozart or Beethoven; no, I think culturally the whole thing has fallen apart and needs to be rebuilt and cannot be grafted onto a contemporary form. By rare chance I once asked Gunter Grass, Joseph Brodsky and Seamus Heaney about poetry, and they all sounded vague and confused. Brodsky described his own as soupy, though argued the publishing industry is supply-driven. Grass was clearly a believer, but his books are incredibly profane. On the other hand, if you view old tapes of Tolkien or Chesterton, they are the opposite. They are diffinitive. If you look at heavy metal bands, or contemporary pop, you see depravity and sometimes the diabolical. If there is a poet or musician today of the same cloth as Mozart or Beethoven, or Pope, or Virgil, or Jane Austen. I think they would be very hidden. They would not be riding the wave in Hollywood.",
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"text": "I have the complete works of both Mozart and Bach...Bach is superior. Operas are another matter, which Bach is not compared in. Mozart has the greater number of Operas in the top ten, but Carmen is better than all of his.",
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"text": "Lendman, I am not sure what to say....I didn't know you went for that sort of thing....do you also like Joyce?",
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"text": "^I totally see everything you did there, Kenz. Brilliant.",
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"text": "I disagree that there isn't the talent now that existed in Mozart's day. There are many brilliant modern musicians, to judge them by the same standard is like judging a Mozart piano sonata to a Chopin one. They aren't the same kind of music",
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"text": "I also like sandwiches. Can I get an amen for sandwiches?",
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"text": "depends on whether it is made from perfectly normal beasts",
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"text": "Saying there are Mozart's or Chopin's today is artistic relativism. Why can no one recognize today's Chopin or Tolstoy or even Jane Austin or even Flannery O-Connor? Modernism has laid waste to it all.",
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"text": "\"modernism laid waste to it all\" sounds like a cop-out.",
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"text": "It also sounds bitter and pained.",
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"text": "But it has laid waste to it all. This is what The Wasteland was about. Eliot, that seer, saw it coming.",
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"text": "For the same reasons, TAC cannot restore modern academia.",
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"text": "It can only start something anew.",
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"text": "restore is a stupid word. onward and upward",
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"text": "Greatest ballet: Giselle?",
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"text": "greatest ballet: West Side Story",
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"text": "onward and upward yes, but we cannot bring life back to the wasteland, we must move onward and upward elsewhere.",
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"text": "Is that a ballet? I thought it was a musical",
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"text": "Same thing",
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"text": "Scott, are you suggesting we go where no man has gone before?",
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"text": "Yes, to the future.",
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"text": "Name a better use for the diminished fifth, Joshua?",
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"text": "Oh, I thought space Scott",
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"text": "live long and prosper where you are planted",
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"text": "but I thought we were going upward?",
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"text": "prosperity is phototropic",
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"text": "No, no it is not. There may be some jazz-dance in it, but it is closer to a ballet-opera, but even then no. No, ballet is a distinct form. Musicals are something else.",
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"text": "But is there a better use for the diminished fifth",
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"text": "Sounds like Adrw hasn't seen enough of them",
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"text": "Beitia, Dante Sonata by Liszt",
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"text": "^wrt the diminished fifth",
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"text": "My Fair Lady- best 20th century pop musical film?",
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"text": "never seen it",
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"text": "Your loss!",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg\nMy Fair Lady \"Why Can't the English Learn to Speak\"\nFirst meet between Higgins and Doolittle, with English subs\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I can't believe I just wasted 6 minutes of my life.....",
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"text": "Wasted? \nIt gets better\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbdVvIbB1KU\nJust You Wait - Audrey Hepburn 's own voice - My Fair Lady\nAudrey sang most of this song herself in the released...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I cant believe MB just said he cant believe he wasted six minutes of his life, on TNET!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "GAH I CAN'T LIGHT MY STUPID GRILL",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "great now I have to put my stupid pork skewers in the stupid oven",
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"text": "^but can you make a sandwich out of them?^",
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"text": "TNET is my newfeed now, btw. That is why y'all get this status update.",
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"text": "ooof. psychopathic hallucinating cockney girl with the world's most annoying accent. I think I'll pass, Joshua",
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"text": "p.s. you owe me 10 minutes of my life back",
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"text": "I owe you nothing! I merely filled a gap in your cultural knowlege",
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"text": "Cultural!? Hah.",
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"name": "Jeff Stouffer",
"text": "This comment is brief.",
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"text": "Now I'm listening to Schoenberg to wash the cockney out of my ears",
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"text": "Schoenberg!!!! It made my physically ill when I first heard him",
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"text": "and *you're* to blame!",
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"text": "I love how proponents of Bach > Mozart don't even feel the need to put forth an argument . As if the opus speaks for itself.",
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"text": "Awright geeezzaa! Whatever yew say. Sorted mate.",
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"text": "Bach is too mathy. Plus if Douglas Hofstadter thought he was the best..... well, that's not a ringing endorsement",
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"text": "Lang, it does speak for itself!",
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"text": "you and Hofstadter",
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"text": "Beitia, Lor' luv a duck! unlike yew I do not 'ave da compulsion ter play videos an' I can stop 'em when I dislike 'em. Know what I mean?",
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"text": "where's the WTF button",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjmeGKoR1E\nNapoleon Dynamite - I don't understand a word you just said\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Bach is too mathy, whatever, Behtea.",
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"text": "Joshua, I have poor impulse control",
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"text": "I thought you were all about the #mathgnosis",
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"text": "shh, you'll give it away..... (my exoteric doctrine is that Mozart is superior)",
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"text": "why not *clicks link*",
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"text": "weird...it's like a strange French accented speaker over Gaelic music....",
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"text": "It is Celtic music....Bretaigne.",
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"text": "I know that, I can read. But most of my Celtic music experience is The Pogues.\nMy daughter is at Irish dance class right now (so is my wife, which is why I'm killing so much time on TNET)",
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"text": "So sometimes I'm forced to listen to the reel ad nauseum so she can practice.... ugh",
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"text": "But the French sounds way off",
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"text": "holy crap",
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"text": "Have I mentioned that St. Patrick is one of my favorite English saints?",
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"text": "hahahaha I tell that to my inlaws every year (though I leave the possibility open that he could be Roman)",
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"text": "I expected no less from you, Adrw Lng",
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"text": "Did somebody say something intelligent about Virgil, about 400 comments ago?",
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"text": "If not, then how bout a Norwegian joke. So, Lena says to Lars c'mon it's our anniversary I want you to take me somewhere expensive so Lars says to Lena hop in I'm taking you to the gas station.",
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"text": "get it? rising fuel prices?",
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"text": "This is my Bonnie's dance troupe:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEtlBxLrMOo\nKristopher Estes-Brown Choreography Project Premiere '11\nKristopher Estes-Brown's Choreography Video from...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "petrol?",
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"text": "Best musical:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9_lfjQopU\nSo Long Farewell\n\"So Long Farewell\" from the 1965 film version of THE SOUND OF MUSIC\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I am off to work...when I get back in 16 hours I expect 15,000 posts",
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"text": "My vote for favorite musical:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw\nFiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles )\nTradition\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Pink Floyd's the Wall?",
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"text": "Worst musical:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9_lfjQopU\nSo Long Farewell\n\"So Long Farewell\" from the 1965 film version of THE SOUND OF MUSIC\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "^NOOOOOOOO^",
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"text": "the sound of music was my personal hell in middle school when we had to watch it...",
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"text": "I actually met one of the von Trapp children at a mall in smalltown ID as a kid. Bizarre where continual fame takes a person",
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"text": "I have been peaceful for so long, but now I rise in defense of the Von Trapp family singers!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Von Crap....",
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"text": "Mathematical truths are good, true and beautiful because they are of an order of being created by God, and a high one at that, so their beauty is higher than the material world; but even as St. Augustine says, \"you were within me, and I outside, and I sought you outside and in my ugliness fell upon those lovely things that you have made.\" So the only thing beautiful in man is the indwelling of the Logos, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and that enables us to be informed by the beauty around us in the material world, their forms, and immaterial forms.",
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"text": "I suppose it depends on what you mean by \"beautiful\"",
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"text": "Meanwhile, whose on board for Denver going to the Super Bowl again?!?",
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"text": "No one, huh?",
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"text": "getting to the superbowl? possibly. winning it? not likely\nhttp://gfycat.com/RigidGrizzledAyeaye\nfunny - Jiffier gifs through HTML5 Video Conversion.\nJiffier gifs. share your gifs with the world on the fastest gif...\nGFYCAT.COM",
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"text": "It depends on whom they are up against, yeah.",
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"text": "Yep. Just like that.",
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"text": "It was like we were cursed or something. Didn't Matthew J. Peterson advance a thesis about God smiting the Broncos for forsaking his prophet, Tebow?",
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"text": "NOOO COME BACK!!",
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"text": "What is MacIntyre's interpretation? Was that in After Virtue? sounds a bit familiar",
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"text": "thanks. Pater. Haven't read that.",
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"text": "Except this analogy is confusing me, because the only candidate I can think of for uniting and ruling the land after TNET is destroyed and the tutors sail to the undying lands is Scott, and that *can't* be right",
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"text": "On a hasty review. It is interesting and i forgot how good Austen is. But i think Austen / aristotle get pride / magnanimity wrong. True magnanimity accompanies true humility. \"Humility of Heart\" by Cajetan describes it best. Austen falls back into the Aristotelian error.",
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"text": "What I mean is that she is humbled, and it is in this that she learns to be truly magnanimous. No??",
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"text": "In the end I dont think Liz and Darcy overcome pride and prejudice, only possible by grace or at least veerry difficult without.",
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"text": "ethical or moral I don't remember which. Let me go grab my copy...",
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"text": "Lizzy and Darcy may not overcome pride and prejudice completely, but they certainly make some pretty significant strides in that direction",
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"text": "\"Jane Austen is in a crucial way [one of the last great representatives] of the classical tradition of the virtues\"",
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"text": "He talks about her in two different sections... you might be able to Google book it but it is too long to quote here.",
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"text": "Where does MacIntyre write on this? I just read a googled review. [posted at same time as above.]",
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"text": "anyway, need to go to work...",
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"text": "239-243 After Virtue",
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"text": "thanks. Nina",
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"text": "Far better than: A Liberating Education\nThomas Aquinas College believes that to learn is to discover and grow in the truth about reality. It is the truth, and nothing less, that sets men free. And because truth is both natural and supernatural, the College offers an academic program that aims at both natural and divine wisdom.\nThis curriculum presents the arts and sciences of liberal education as a comprehensive whole. There are no majors, no minors, no electives, and no specializations. The four-year interdisciplinary course of study makes use of the original writings of the great philosophers, historians, mathematicians, poets, scientists, and theologians of the West. Homer, Herodotus, Plato, Euclid, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Shakespeare, Einstein, and especially St. Thomas Aquinas are among the authors read.\nThere are no textbooks. There are also no lectures in the classroom. The curriculum is a sustained conversation in the form of tutorials, seminars, and laboratories guided by tutors who assist students in the work of reading, analyzing, and evaluating these great books. Students develop the lost tools of inquiry, argument, and translation \u2014 in critically reading and analyzing texts, in mathematical demonstration, and in laboratory investigation.\nEquipped with these tools, the graduates are fortified to undertake any area of study, professional training, or vocation. Grounded in the arts of thinking and with a broad, integrated vision of the whole of life and learning, every subject becomes an open door. Even more important, alumni are prepared to live well the life of the free citizen and of the Christian.",
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"text": "John, that was a drive by TNET post. Wasn't actually reading the thread. My apologies.",
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"text": "Post graduation, who academically or professional would take this statement seriously? (outside of entering religious life in the Dominicans or Norbertines)",
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"text": "Exactly... that was a direct cut-paste from the TAC website: http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/a-liberating-education\nA Liberating Education | Thomas Aquinas College\nThomas Aquinas College believes that to learn is to...\nTHOMASAQUINAS.EDU",
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"text": "In order for the college to be taken seriously, it needs to advertise to more than just Catholic parents looking for a safe Catholic place for their Catholic children",
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"text": "Consider the Cricket:\nThe little Cricket sings a song of hope,\nA song of love, in God's eternal scope.\nIf little Crickets sing of things thereof,\nThen how much more can we sing of His love?",
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"text": "To follow up on MB and vent more. UD led me to a pit of scepticism that Pieper helped me out of. But I did enjoy friends, beer-brewing and grabbed me a good Irish child bearing woman on the way out of grad school.",
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"text": "Wow, not only did I leave for a grueling 12 hr overnight shift, I also decided to sleep 5 hrs before returning to TNET, and TNET is only just above 13,000!?",
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"text": "Interesting to hear that Pieper pulled you out of the pit, John. His books have a certain fetching quality, but I never felt like they really delivered on their promise. Leisure as the Basis of Culture comes to mind. Was there one you found particularly helpful?",
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"text": "I haven't finished catching up yet! (and again \"not in an altogether serious manner\")\nBen Franklin was no ethicist. Not in his published works, which at best off platitudes and have more in common with self help books than ethics, or in his personal, flagrantly sinful and debauched life",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe, speaking of drunken tutors, ad hilaritatem. Just because I am a pedant....Aquinas no where says \"usque ad hilaritatem\" \nIt was from a German, Pr\u00fcmmer...and he is talking about what is normally a venial sin\nImperfect inebriation is, on its own part, only a venial sin. The reason is that such an inebriation is, of itself, a light disorder not destroying the use of reason. Also, with an existing sufficient extrinsic cause, for example, for taking away melancholy, at nuptials and other worldly festivities, imperfect inebriation is, of itself, no sin, unless still if scandal or some grave inconvenience arose hence. Hence to drink even to the point of hilarity {lightheartedness} is certainly not illicit per se, but a cleric, a head of the family and other persons constituted in dignity ought to avoid hilarity of this sort, since grave scandal and other grave inconveniences are able arise easily from hence.\nEbrietas imperfecta est ex se solum peccatum veniale. Ratio est, quia talis ebrietas est ex se deordinatio levis non destruens usum rationis. Existente sufficienti causa etiam extrinseca, e. gr. ad melancholiam pellendam, in nuptiis aliisque festivitatibus mundanis, ebrietas imperfecta ex se nullum est peccatum, nisi tamen inde scandalum aliudve grave incommodum oriatur. Hinc bibere usque ad hilaritatem per se quidem non est illicitum, sed clericus, paterfamilias aliaeque personae in dignitate constitutae evitare debent huiusmodi hilaritatem, quoniam facile exinde oriri possunt grave scandalum, aliaque gravia incommoda.\nDominicus Prummer, O.P. Manuale Theologiae Moralis: Secundum Principia S. Thomae Aquinatis. Vol II pg. 520",
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"text": "Joel HF, perhaps if I had been the sort to have a cell phone I could have filmed it...but I don't think anyone there had the means to film. And it was just Mr. Nieto, Fr. Charles, Mr. Nieto's mom, his brother and I....at the time I lived with them!\nAnd in all seriousness, Edward Langley, I do actually trust Nieto's aesthetic judgment, but we all are wrong about somethings (cough...Austen...cough)",
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"text": "Couglin & Nieto are not meant to shut down discussion (though Nieto in particular has a fairly strong aesthetic sense, in my opinion), but neither is saying that after reading Austen you went out and recited bits of the Iliad while drinking scotch.",
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"text": "See this video, or at least the very end where he does a version for women:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU\nHot Crazy Matrix - A Man's Guide to Women\nJoin us on FaceBook! https://www.facebook.com/HotCra...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I have done both, Samantha Cohoe. It can be great for some kids and great for some parents, but a disaster for others. In short, it depends. I dearly wish we could have made it work.",
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"text": "Right - you could add smarts into the matrix along with looks and crazy.\nSorry for betraying you, Samantha Cohoe. It was unintentional. My wife and I were both slightly bemused by the video.",
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"text": "Though for some it is a halfway house from one such cult right into another. Vide: this thread.",
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"text": "I gave up on academics at the parochial. Do they teach the Faith and are kids happy. I find the academics are decent if the first two criteria obtain.",
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"text": "we were lucky to have very rural schools with mixed grades. But they too are being centralized: one core to rule them all and in the darkness . . .",
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"text": "JA Escalante: can Calvin and Luther be reconciled? Don't they deeply oppose one another re political philosophy, among other things?",
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"text": "von B: ossa eius incendantur. I exaggerate, but I heard he had regrets at the end. Does he know whether hell is empty? How was Spyier not a false mystic? The criteria are pretty clear.",
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"text": "Is Roy on facebook?",
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"text": "But what as to their notion of politics? Aren't you trying to resurrect Calvin here as opposed to Lutheranism and watered down modernism?",
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"text": "trouble, trouble, trouble. Let's talk about Newman.",
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"text": "But seriously, mediocre parochial or homeschooling completely solo?",
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"text": "Seriously, evangelicals are rocking some small classical schools these days.",
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"text": "I just watched \"The Cosmopolitans.\" All hail Whit Stillman.",
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"text": "What?? Why did Eigeman turn him down?",
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"text": "Is he doing some other thing I am not familiar with?",
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"text": "Did not know that about Eigeman. He is great in Barcelona.",
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"text": "Matthew, TAC has never normalized anything in its entire existence. That's not the point.",
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"text": "His riff / re-reading of the closing scene of The Graduate is classic.",
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"text": "You got in trouble, Matthew, because you were dribbling all over yourself while proving a prop. Learn to swallow, man. Man that was an awesome sequence with Karen, though.",
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"text": "But how about Chris Eigeman's character in Kicking and Screaming (1995). I realize that's Noah Baumbach and not Whit Stillman, but still ... if there is any better film about one's first year after college, I'd like to know what it is.",
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"text": "Someone said above that poetry is meter, but not necessarily rhyme. But Aristotle says it is more than just meter.\n\"People do, indeed, add the word 'maker' or 'poet' to the name of the meter, and speak of elegiac poets, or epic (that is, hexameter) poets, as if it were not the imitation that makes the poet, but the verse that entitles them all to the name. Even when a treatise on medicine or natural science is brought out in verse, the name of poet is by custom given to the author; and yet Homer and Empedocles have nothing in common but the meter, so that it would be right to call the one poet, the other physicist rather than poet. On the same principle, even if a writer in his poetic imitation were to combine all meters, as Chaeremon did in his Centaur, which is a medley composed of meters of all kinds, we should bring him too under the general term poet.\"",
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"text": "But at least poetry does not need rhyme, but meter and metaphor (or imitation). Metaphor is RNA.",
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"text": "Dithyrambic poetry being a metrical song.",
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"text": "And dancing: In dancing, rhythm alone is used without 'harmony'; for even dancing imitates character, emotion, and action, by rhythmical movement.",
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"text": "This being said, what form is well-suited for today: this post-modern wasteland, in the cave \"under the shadow of the red rock\" with new glimmers of light?",
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"text": "The poetic for Aristotle, though, seems to be a much broader scope than what we today would call \"poetry\".",
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"text": "For one thing, Aristotle seems to characterize the subject of the poetic art by having a plot: which is common both to \"poetry\" and to prose writing.",
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"text": "JA Escalante, admittedly I am not intimate enough with Calvin to accuse him of agreeing with Balthasar....that was a low blow!\nBut I do think Balthasar's ideas on the harrowing of hell are only coherent in a Nestorian context. And his whole eschatology opens up a lot of issues (e.g. the immortality of soul, true and false about statements said of those that died before Christ...it is almost incoherent thought, but it seems that he says that if it were 500 BC and I said Abraham is in the limbo of the Fathers, that would have been true, but it is false to say now that Abraham had been there, since when we die we awake in the eschaton...the particular and genera; judgments are combined, and there is no period of being a disembodied soul before resurrection... none of these absurdities would I accuse Calvin of)\nFor that matter, I am fairly certain that Calvin does not deny Christ had divine knowledge, which Balthasar does deny (both wrt beatific vision and infused knowledge of divine things). It would be a question, that I am not familiar enough with Calvin himself to answer, what the suffering of Christ in Hell, for Calvin, entailed with regard to Christ's knowledge, particularly the beatific vision. Balthasar says any admixture of divine knowledge would lessen His passion and detract from that. I don't think that is true.",
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"text": "Metropolitan is excellent, as is Barcelona and, of course, Last Days of Disco.",
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"text": "Well if I am not going to have an argument over Balthasar, how about a related one (as far as it concerns ideas about death)\nThe Archdiocese of New York and Cardinal Dolan share the anti-Catholic attitude of the ancient Romans wrt to relics. Evidence: ADNY has stood in the way of +Sheens' cause, blocking attempts to exhume the body (as required by Church law) and +Dolan has said he won't let 1st class relics be taken, as it goes against American sensibilities. Discuss\n(I am giving up if this doesn't start a fire)",
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"text": "Joshua: Calvin doesn't share any of von B's peculiarities. von B is a kook in my opinion. I don't like the soap-opera Trinitarianism, the kenoticism, the ridiculous name-dropping, or the weird Swiss seeress",
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"text": "What was Calvins view vis-a-vis Christ and the Beatific vision? I did read a part of the Institutes on the descent into hell. But I haven't read much else of him himself.",
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"text": "If you want to start a fire here theology isnt the way to do it. You have to say that a line is made up of an infinite number of points, or that Lobachevsky is right, or that TAC teaches too much math. TACers don't care about theology. They care about math",
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"text": "But seriously, if only for my own edification....what was Calvin's view on Christ as viator and comprehensor",
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"text": "Same here Isak!",
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"text": "Thought for the evening: anime is terrible. All of it. Discuss.",
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"text": "That includes Death Note, Attack on Titan, Cowboy BeBop, et cetera.",
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"text": "Dolan seems to have been sliding ever since he wen to NYC. Very sad.",
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"text": "Dolan, sliding? Surely you jest!",
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"text": "New York City is the capital of the world. Peoria can suck it.",
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"text": "*puts on boxing gloves*",
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"text": "Then why won't he let Sheen be exhumed and dismembered.....wow when you say it that way",
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"text": "\"Bravo!\"",
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"text": "End sexism! Just thought was relevant to something in this thread. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Sharks-nine-times-more...\nSharks nine times more likely to kill men than women, study says - Telegraph\nAustralian scientists baffled by finding that men are...\nTELEGRAPH.CO.UK",
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"text": "He was archbishop of Milwaukee where he knew me on a first name basis by 'Tex'.",
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"text": "The way I heard the story, not only was the body to be exhumed but then it was supposed to be transported to the diocese in Peoria. \n(Milwaukee rocks, by the way. One of the most underrated cities in America.)",
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"text": "Now he is the proud grand marshal of which parade?",
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"text": "Don't start with the Irish bashing ... I'm warning you! ",
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"text": "I have been cast out of Milwaukee into the desert tundra.",
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"text": "and my three year old irish german lad could out drink you.",
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"text": "Dolan. Dolan watchee been a drinkin.",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland: I get it, but no. TAC has COMPARATIVELY normalized many a cultist.",
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"text": "JA Escalante: I'll have to read your boys, but from what I've read of Luther and Calvin the idea that they agreed on politics and religion seems self-evidently ridiculous.",
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"text": "then you haven't read them",
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"text": "for just one very basic thing, the reason historians now call them the *Magisterial* Reformers as opposed to Radical Reformers is because Luther and Calvin are on the same page about the Christian magistrate.",
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"text": "@John: Das bezweifele ich ...",
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"text": "That seems wild to me. Some texts on the morrow.",
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"text": "No doubt. Dolan is lost. Kyrie eleison.",
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"text": "It seems to me the sentiments about TAC expressed above call for another cheer from Daniel Lendman",
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"text": "Anyone else feel odd about two of the Luminous mysteries? I find the titles of the third and fifth mystery feel out of place when compared to the other eighteen mysteries.",
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"text": "(I would prefer that the third be \"The Sermon on the Mount\" and the fifth be \"The Last Supper\")",
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"text": "So plot would have to be an element of a poem, along with imitation and meter. I wonder what plot and meter would be fitting for a poem today? I wonder.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXQo7nURs0\nExperience the power of a bookbook\u2122\nAt only 8mm thin, and weighing in at less than 400g, the 2015 IKEA Catalogue comes pre-installed with...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Hey Scott. Long time.",
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"text": "Too long.",
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"text": "\"Poetry in general seems to have sprung from two causes, each of them lying deep in our nature... The reason why men enjoy seeing a likeness is, that in contemplating it they find themselves learning or inferring. For if you have not seen the original, the pleasure will be due not to the imitation as such, but to the execution, the coloring, or some such other cause. Imitation, then, is one instinct of our nature. ... Next, there is the instinct for 'harmony' and rhythm, meters being manifestly sections of rhythm. Persons, therefore, starting with this natural gift developed by degrees their special aptitudes, till their rude improvisations gave birth to Poetry.\"",
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"text": "\"Having passed through many changes, poetry found its natural form, and there it stopped.\" Where is it today? In various forms, including the novella.",
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"text": "Isak have you watched Naoki Urasawa's \"Monster\"? Just curious...",
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"text": "A modest thesis: Casaubon was a great intellect destroyed by a silly woman. http://www.independent.co.uk/.../the-truth-about-casaubon...\nThe truth about Casaubon: a great intellect destroyed by a silly woman\nMIDDLEMARCH is done. The repeat of the last...\nINDEPENDENT.CO.UK",
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"text": "It\u2019s good to read Thomas and Aristotle, but they seemed to hold to flawed opinion in regards to some key issues on the human soul, which underscores the need for dogmatic theology in the Catholic liberal arts formation. It is interesting to examine the theological basis of the Immaculate Conception.\n\u201cThe proclamation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception expresses the essential datum of faith,\u201d and \u201cprescinds from [cuts away from] all explanations about how the soul is infused into the body.\u201d [Aristotle and Thomas seemed to assert that the soul animates the body after conception. Aquinas seemed to hold the efficient cause of generation is the male, while the female is only the material cause: \u2018In perfect animals, the active power is\u2026 of the male, according to the Philosopher in De Generatione Animalium, but the matter of the fetus is what is provided by the female.\u2019 Summa Theologiae, Ia, q. 118, a. 1, ad 4.]\nThomas seems to have held that the human rational soul is created and infused into the body only when the human parents have, by their generative act, produced a material substance that is disposed to receive and to be informed by a human soul. In one place Aquinas follows Aristotle in saying that the rational soul is infused at 40 days for males, and at 90 days for females... (See: St. Thomas' Commentary on the Book of Sentences, Bk. III, dist. 3, q. 5, a. 2, Responsio; John Haldane and Patrick Lee, Philosophy 78, 2003, 255-278).\n\u201cThe special commission of theologians set up by Pius IX to determine the revealed doctrine assigned the essential role to ecclesial practice. And this criterion influenced the formulation of the dogma, which preferred expressions taken from the Church's lived experience, from the faith and worship of the Christian people, to scholastic definitions.\u201d\nhttp://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm23.htm\nIMMACULATE CONCEPTION DEFINED BY PIUS IX\nAt the General Audience of Wednesday, 12 June, the...\nEWTN.COM",
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"text": "Nina I have not. Should I? Will it convert me?",
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"text": "Scott, for the sake of argument (duh) what if it were the case that it took 40 days for a human to be \"ensoulled\"? Isn't that the point at which we would say that human person is conceived? before that, you'd have a mess o' cells that weren't a person. So EVEN if there were a mistaken notion of biology and human ensoulment, the dogma of the Immaculate Conception would still be true.",
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"text": "Nope. In fact, this is why the Dominicans opposed the idea of the Immaculate Conception.",
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"text": "Per, Edward Langley's request: \nI am the best!!! \nTAC is the best!!!\nUSA! USA! USA!",
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"text": "O most Holy Virgin, who was pleasing to the Lord and became His mother, immaculate in body and spirit, in faith and in love, look kindly on me as I implore your powerful intercession. O most Holy Mother, who by your blessed Immaculate Conception, from the first moment of your conception did crush the head of the enemy, receive our prayers as we implore you to present at the throne of God the favor we now request...\n(State your intention here...) \nO Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Mother of Christ, you had influence with your Divine Son while upon this earth; you have the same influence now in heaven. Pray for us and obtain for us from him the granting of my petition if it be the Divine Will. \nAmen.",
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"text": "Scott, I'm not sure that the ensoulment question is really the key issue here. Prior to ensoulment, St. Thomas teaches that there is no original sin to forgive. ST III Q 27 A2. The error in the Summa seems to be when he states that her sin persisted post conception (and ensoulment). Thomas seems to have retreated from this view later in his life, for what it's worth. (See his commentary on the Angelic Salutation.) (I say all this tentatively, as I'm no expert on his teaching on the subject.)",
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"text": "In fact, the question of ensoulment can still be validly brought up today.",
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"text": "Do tell Daniel",
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"text": "I don't know what there is to tell. My only point is that I do not know that the Church's definition of conception has to coincide with a medical definition. Consequently, a position such as Michael forwarded above seems plausible. I do not know that I am compelled to believe that a zygote has a human soul.",
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"text": "So fellow souls of TNET, I'm looking for great recommendations of short novels or novellas. If we must use a measurement, I really enjoy books between 35,000 and 55,000 words. What does TNET have to say? Give me your best!",
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"text": "that's precisely the question. to say that the BVM was preserved from original sin \"from conception\" doesn't mean December 8th 14 B.C.",
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"text": "Isak, Monsignor Quixote by Graham Greene.",
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"text": "Isak, have you read any Knut Hamsen? I liked Hunger and The Growth of the Soil",
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"text": "Is the question of ensoulment a metaphysical or a biological question?",
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"text": "Even if we have to take the \"conception\" in the IC is a biological notion, we are not forced to deny delayed ensoulment.\nIn the case of the generation of Christ (?) Aquinas says he was \"all there\" from the first instant. There is an objection to the effect that a full human cannot be present until the matter has been sufficiently prepared by the action of prior agents and that this must take time. To that objection, Aquinas responds that (a) what a posterior agent can do, the first can do; so God can dispose the matter himself an (b) something that takes a finite agent time to do can be done all at once by a infinite agent. Consequently, God could dispose the matter to receive Christ's soul in an instant. He could have done something similar in the case of the immaculate conception.",
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"text": "Which I think would mean biologically that Mary never lacked a nervous system and never lacked sense.",
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"text": "Is there a biological question that the matter is properly disposed to be human upon conception? i.e. what is conceived is a human?",
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"text": "I think everyone would say that everything along the way is human and even a distinct human life but not that they are necessarily complete human lives.",
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"text": "Joel, obviously St. Thomas is the pre-eminent theologian of the Church. This is not meant to be critical of St. Thomas, Aristotle or the Dominicans. I bring it up because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception helps illustrate the overall precedence of the Church's dogmatic theology. The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception prescinds, departs from, from Thomas' view of ensoulment. Thomas' application of ensoulment, and that of the Dominicans, was flawed in this case. Chances are his view of delayed ensoulment is also flawed: there appears to be no basis for it. The Dogma means that Mary was free from all Original Sin, fully and wholly, from Her conception. And Mary is not only the Mother of God and the Immaculate Conception, she is also the same kind of being we are. This would suggest that our bodies and souls come into being at the same time at each of our conceptions. Hence, life is sacred from conception.",
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"text": "Isak It may not convert you, but it is a show I would recommend to even to someone who doesn't like the format. It thoroughly spoiled me for most other anime and now the only stuff I can really watch is Miyazaki and a few of the moodier more stylistic shows.",
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"text": "Scott, when was Mary's conception?",
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"text": "My Neighbor Totoro is one of the funniest things I've ever seen",
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"text": "I liked \"Howl's Moving Castle\" and \"Panyo\" as well",
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"text": "Interesting how the early Eastern Church celebrated the Feast of the Conception of Mary.",
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"text": "Novellas > anime. Discuss. ",
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"text": "yes Scott. Because we know all pregnancies last EXACTLY 280 days, right?",
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"text": "In fact, they last exctly 24,192,000 seconds.",
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"text": "I think the length of the pregnancy may vary, but they all start at conception which is the very beginning of our formal unity. We are very small in the beginning.",
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"text": "I like where Aristotle says that the form of a particular poem \"advanced by slow degrees; each new element that showed itself was in turn developed. Having passed through many changes, it found its natural form, and there it stopped.\" I think art forms like the novella develop into their form. It's a great form.",
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"text": "so why celebrate on Dec. 8th? and Mary's nativity next Monday?",
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"text": "Dec. 8 is when Laura came into the Church at the Dominican House of Studies in DC. It's a great day. I think the early Christians did not have i-phones with calander apps, so it all got mixed up or the liturgical calendar is all up to the Wisdom of the Church.",
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"text": "But I think it is good to have the Feast of the Immaculate Conception near the Nativity because it helps underscore who Mary is in relation to Her Son. Liturgy is poetical which enables you to compress time to better understand the event.",
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"text": "so when is a human zygote ensoulled?",
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"text": "Which soul are you talking about?",
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"text": "Beitia, you are quite correct. The Church does not actually teach definitively when the ensoulment happens, and it says this itself.\nHere is what the Church says:\n\"Certainly no experimental datum can be in itself sufficient to bring us to the recognition of a spiritual soul; nevertheless, the conclusions of science regarding the human embryo provide a valuable indication for discerning by the use of reason a personal presence at the moment of this first appearance of a human life: how could a human individual not be a human person? The Magisterium has not expressly committed itself to an affirmation of a philosophical nature, but it constantly reaffirms the moral condemnation of any kind of procured abortion. This teaching has not been changed and is unchangeable.\" - Donum vitae\nIn explaining the immaculate Conception, Alexander VII explained that it did not refer to the active conception. That was the heretical idea of the IC that was condemned by St. Bernard, and was the version people held when St. Thomas wrote. But nor does it refer to the passive conception of the body, but it refers to the conception of the person. Anything else is heretical. Whether the conception of the person and the meeting of ovum and sperm happen at the same time or 40 days apart, they are distinct in nature, and the conception of the person is AFTER the conception of sperm and ovum in the order of nature. Were it not, the IC would be untenable",
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"text": "And what time zone?",
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"text": "What about identical twins?",
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"text": "It happens at the same time. Conception is the first moment of being of the human person, the body-soul unity (so-called).",
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"text": "Sollicitudo omnium Ecclesiarum states:\n\"The devotion to the most blessed Virgin Mary is indeed of long standing among the faithful of Christ who believe that her soul, from the first instant of its creation and infusion into her body, was preserved immune by a special grace and privilege of God from the stain of original sin, in view of the merits of her Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of our human race, and who, in this sense, esteem and solemnly celebrate the festivity of her conception; the number of these has increased ... so that ... now almost all Catholics embrace it. . . . (4) We renew the Constitutions and decrees published by Roman Pontiffs in favor of the opinion that asserts that the soul of the blessed Virgin Mary at its creation, and at its infusion into her body, was blessed by the grace of the Holy Spirit and was preserved from original sin.\"\nThe mistake is assuming \"conception\" both means the same thing now as then, and is univocal. It is not. How many Catholics understand the dogma the way proponents of the IC did in the 13th century? Referring to active conception, e.g.? They would be heretics",
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"text": "But there are two understandings of what happens there:\n1) what comes before has a rational soul and when it divides to form a second human, God creates a new rational soul.\n2) the rational soul is not infused until after twinning.",
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"text": "is there a common soul that precedes?",
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"text": "Identical twins are almost like siamese twins, but their bodies have split completely. The bodies of identical twins split after conception. They are two soul at conception in two bodies, in an accidental formal unity.",
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"text": "We can see that the \"material\" souls do split and multiply in starfish and plants.",
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"text": "Jeff, I don't think so, the preceding soul would just become the soul of one of the successors, if it is a rational soul.",
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"text": "It is false that the soul of an identical twin is generated from an original soul of the other identical twin. That is false.",
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"text": "so then if the identical twin is from a common fertilized egg, the fertilized egg is either two souls in one body or not yet ensouled",
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"text": "Did anyone claim conception was fertilization or wasn't fertilization?",
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"text": "Identical twins raise difficulties if the conception of the person is understood as being at the same time as active conception...indeed short of saying both souls are in the same body before it splits, you cannot hold this view.\nIf you hold it at the same time as passive generation, then you can see the twinning process as another act of generative conception.\nAgainst Langley, I think it wrong to say even a plant soul divides as such. Rather the splitting, like in twinning, would constitute another act of generation (passive conception), sort of a latent result of active conception. The only difference is that purely natural principles cannot give rise to the human soul, but it is this conception, preceding ensoulment in nature if not in time, that is the explanation of the new person.",
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"text": "The soul is the formal cause which leads to a division of twins because there are two.",
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"text": "I am surprised you are jumping to false conclusions as if they are certainty. This is biased.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, yes, referring to the rational soul. The question is \"when\" and if two rational souls are in one body or split, or if the rational souls follow after. If it is one rational soul, then \"split\" into multiple rational souls is one said to be from the other",
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"text": "It follows \"as the night does day\".",
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"text": "what again is the false conclusion?",
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"text": "That one soul could lead to two souls. That identical twins were once just one soul. This is an unfounded claim.",
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"text": "So... how long can one thing be two?",
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"text": "Jeff, \"If it is one rational soul, then \"split\" into multiple rational souls is one said to be from the other.\"\nThat isn't true, BTW, the rational soul is a special creation by God, so, strictly speaking, it is not from anything preceding except God.",
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"text": "Jeff: identical twins are generated by two souls in what might appear to be one body... do you not think so?",
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"text": "Langley, I have scott blocked...you may want to quote Donum vitae or another magisterium document that says the Church refrains from defining when ensoulment happens.",
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"text": "Scott, I don't think that can be. Or, at least we have no empirical biological evidence to say that the embryo only \"appears to have one body\".",
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"text": "OK, I agree with Ed. That's Pope Ed speaking to me: identical twins is not a rational soul splitting",
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"text": "Scott's two souls prior to twinning seems pretty ad hoc to me, but then so does most everything else said on the subject.",
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"text": "The Church does not actually teach definitively when the ensoulment happens, and it says this itself.\nHere is what the Church says:\n\"Certainly no experimental datum can be in itself sufficient to bring us to the recognition of a spiritual soul; nevertheless, the conclusions of science regarding the human embryo provide a valuable indication for discerning by the use of reason a personal presence at the moment of this first appearance of a human life: how could a human individual not be a human person? The Magisterium has not expressly committed itself to an affirmation of a philosophical nature, but it constantly reaffirms the moral condemnation of any kind of procured abortion. This teaching has not been changed and is unchangeable.\" - Donum vitae",
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"text": "And the changing of ensouled to en-rational-souled is a change?",
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"text": "Yeah, the view that there is no rational soul before twinning would just be Thomas's transitional form view of conception.",
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"text": "(If this is an item for contention, is it possible for *new* dogma to arise from it? Are we creating theology?)",
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"text": "I have a life, I'm just easily distracted from it.",
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"text": "And Tom Sundaram-- i first came to this thread to post a similarly derisive comment. So watch yourself. You could be next.",
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"text": "Samantha, I'm not positing two body-soul composits in one body. But you do like to put words into others' mouths. LOL. And Thomas's view of ensoulment was ridiculous, as was Aristotle's view; and I do not believe you are an authority on who is a fool and what words I may use. Thank you.\nIdentical twins implies two persons from conception; hence two bodies, at least in potential which become visibly distinct over time.\nSt. Thomas was wrong about the Immaculate Conception. His reason for opposing it was flawed and unfounded. This does not mean that he was not a great theologian. It just means that Dogmatic Theology is more important.",
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"text": "\"On which point the words of Blessed Urban V to the University of Toulouse are worthy of recall: \"It is our will, which We hereby enjoin upon you, that ye follow the teaching of Blessed Thomas as the true and Catholic doctrine and that ye labor with all your force to profit by the same.\"(35) Innocent XII, followed the example of Urban in the case of the University of Louvain, in the letter in the form of a brief addressed to that university on February 6, 1694, and Benedict XIV in the letter in the form of a brief addressed on August 26, 1752, to the Dionysian College in Granada; while to these judgments of great Pontiffs on Thomas Aquinas comes the crowning testimony of Innocent VI: \"His teaching above that of others, the canonical writings alone excepted, enjoys such a precision of language, an order of matters, a truth of conclusions, that those who hold to it are never found swerving from the path of truth, and he who dare assail it will always be suspected of error.\"(36)\" --- Leo XIII, Aeterni Patris",
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"text": "Got it. If you can figure out how identical twins come into being, you will be ahead of us all. Samantha is mad at me because I described Thomas' view of ensoulment as silly.",
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"text": "Yes, the zygote is potentially two distinct bodies obviously. But in another sense, they must be distinct even materially in some way, even though they appear to be one body. I think this must be the cause, because they are twins from conception with two souls.",
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"text": "Human generation is unique in nature, but plant generation can produce a kind of twin through the potency of matter. The matter is one in form but two in potency. Because the formal cause in man is not induced through matter, I think it can seem implicitely confusing, or mysterious.",
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"text": "Daniel \"that when the material conditions are provided, so is the soul\" so you're proposing a zygote does not have sufficient material conditions? Just trying to be clear about your position without reading everything lol",
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"text": "Cloning animals is possible, because the animal soul may be induced from a material cause.",
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"text": "1. Artificial Embryo Twinning\nArtificial embryo twinning is a relatively low-tech way to make clones. As the name suggests, this technique mimics the natural process that creates identical twins.\nIn nature, twins form very early in development when the embryo splits in two. Twinning happens in the first days after egg and sperm join, while the embryo is made of just a small number of unspecialized cells. Each half of the embryo continues dividing on its own, ultimately developing into separate, complete individuals. Since they developed from the same fertilized egg, the resulting individuals are genetically identical.\nArtificial embryo twinning uses the same approach, but it is carried out in a Petri dish instead of inside the mother. A very early embryo is separated into individual cells, which are allowed to divide and develop for a short time in the Petri dish. The embryos are then placed into a surrogate mother, where they finish developing. Again, since all the embryos came from the same fertilized egg, they are genetically identical.",
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"text": "http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/con.../cloning/whatiscloning/",
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"text": "Thanks. Also, are some peeps really saying there are no such things as clones??",
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"text": "Cloning is the artificial generation of a genetically identical human. The definition you just threw down, Ed, means that identical twins are clones.",
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"text": "From the article I linked, it looks like there are two different methods used in cloning experiments: \"Artificial Embryo Twinning\" and \"Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer\"",
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"text": "(I do realize that the genome \"develops\" after conception because of various induced mutations, but that would happen to clones as well.)",
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"text": "\"Moderate\" muslims just deny the parts of their religion that are obviously horrible",
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"text": "\u00ab For is it not one's duty, instead of beginning with criticism, to throw oneself generously into that form of religion which is providentially put before one? Is it right, or is it wrong, to begin with private judgment? May we not, on the other hand, look for a blessing through obedience even to an erroneous system, and a guidance even by means of it out of it? Were those who were strict and conscientious in their Judaism, or those who were lukewarm and sceptical, more likely to be led into Christianity, when Christ came? Yet in proportion to their previous zeal, would be their appearance of inconsistency. Certainly, I have always contended that obedience even to an erring conscience was the way to gain light, and that it mattered not where a man began, so that he began on what came to hand, and in faith; and that anything might become a divine method of Truth; that to the pure all things are pure, and have a self-correcting virtue and a power of germinating. And though I have no right at all to assume that this mercy is granted to me, yet the fact, that a person in my situation may have it granted to him, seems to me to remove the perplexity which my change of opinion may occasion.\u00bb",
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"text": "I think the Spaniards probably did lots of things that were bad by their own standards, and certainly by modern standards. I think most of the opprobrium leveled at them is whig history, since *obviously* they had to be much worse than the English, right? Right?",
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"text": "Come on guys, are we really lecturing Peregrott on manners? Have we learned nothing?",
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"text": "because to know that, you'd have to know what his contemporaries meant by \"immaculate conception\".",
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"text": "There is an Indian tribe in Mexico that has a legend according to which after the Fall of the first man and woman the tree turned into a pine tree, the fruit into a pine cone, and the snake...into a Spaniard.",
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"text": "Joel, Thomas Aquinas.",
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"text": "Looks like we've roped Mr. Susanka into TNET.",
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"text": "Ah. I'm going to keep banging the drum of, it isn't all that clear that Thomas does, in fact, ultimately reject the IC. Certainly his biology doesn't compel one to reject the IC.",
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"text": "Good Q about idolatry Samantha.",
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"text": "Whoops.",
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"text": "I wish this conversation would turn to human chimerism.",
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"text": "Certainly Islam is an improvement over the fire-worshipers of ancient Persia.",
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"text": "Ed, I think it is okay and reasonable to suggest that Thomas might also have been wrong about the genesis of the human person. He may have neen right, but it is also reasonable to hold that Conception may involve the simultaneous coming into being of matter and spirit. That's all I was saying. I think the reaction/response of the TAC \"gang\" is demonstrative. Gotta run. Nice chatting with you.",
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"text": "Furthermore, the people he was most directly arguing against in the Summa (if what I read is correct) DID have a heretical conception of what the IC was.",
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"text": "^Sometimes I feel like there was a whole conversation I missed in the conversation we were having.",
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"text": "Very often Scotts summary seems so very different from they way I recollect things.",
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"text": "I think you have to believe that significant knowledge of the true God can be had through Islam to admire Islamic \"fundamentalists\"",
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"text": "And also that the false things taught about him don't outweigh the true.",
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"text": "\"We may formulate the question discussed by them in two propositions, both of which are against the sense of the dogma of 1854:\nthe sanctification of Mary took place before the infusion of the soul into the flesh, so that the immunity of the soul was a consequence of the sanctification of the flesh and there was no liability on the part of the soul to contract original sin. This would approach the opinion of the Damascene concerning the holiness of the active conception.\nThe sanctification took place after the infusion of the soul by redemption from the servitude of sin, into which the soul had been drawn by its union with the unsanctified flesh. This form of the thesis excluded an immaculate conception.\nThe theologians forgot that between sanctification before infusion, and sanctification after infusion, there was a medium: sanctification of the soul at the moment of its infusion. To them the idea seemed strange that what was subsequent in the order of nature could be simultaneous in point of time. Speculatively taken, the soul must be created before it can be infused and sanctified but in reality, the soul is created and sanctified at the very moment of its infusion into the body. Their principal difficulty was the declaration of St. Paul (Romans 5:12) that all men have sinned in Adam. The purpose of this Pauline declaration, however, is to insist on the need which all men have of redemption by Christ. Our Lady was no exception to this rule. A second difficulty was the silence of the earlier Fathers. But the divines of those times were distinguished not so much for their knowledge of the Fathers or of history, as for their exercise of the power of reasoning. They read the Western Fathers more than those of the Eastern Church, who exhibit in far greater completeness the tradition of the Immaculate Conception. And many works of the Fathers which had then been lost sight of have since been brought to light.\"",
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"text": "So is that what you think, Pater Edmund?",
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"text": "http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Immaculate Conception\nIn the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary 'in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt\u2026\nNEWADVENT.ORG\nSeptember 5 at 5:03pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nMichael Beitia and Samantha, the Catholic priests in the Americas defended the natives against the Europeans. \nHow many English/native mixes do you find? Where are the NE US \"mexicans\"",
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"text": "Yeah, the U.S. was a lot worse to the Natives.",
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"text": "I didn't claim the English were better!",
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"text": "But it never goes well, when stone-age encounters modern-age.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Good!",
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"text": "We can all still hate the English.",
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"text": "By \"liberation\" all I meant that going from Aztecs -> Spaniards was not like going from \"Chinese Landlords\" -> \"Maoists\" but more like going from \"English Colony\" -> \"Slave-permitting US\"",
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"text": "I'm not the one advancing crazy claims about Old Worlders liberating New Worlders!",
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"text": "By liberation what Edward mean was a rather bombastic rhetorical flare that he does not fully believe.",
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"text": "Just retract the \"liberate\" comment, Edward. Then we're all good here.",
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"text": "But it probably helped drive away a troll.",
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"text": "I don't know their political theory, but from what I've read Iran's theory sounds like a religious version of Hobbes' leviathan.",
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"text": "It's a historical fact, that Cortes's expedition liberated the surrounding tribes. Now, perhaps the succeeding Spanish government oppressed them again, but that was not Cortes's expedition and, for all I know, not the way Cortes intended his conquest to turn out.",
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"text": "You don't liberate a slave by making him a different kind of slave!",
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"text": "Cortes immediately set up shop as overlord",
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"text": "A hierarchical society =/= slavery.",
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"text": "(unless you're Rousseau)",
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"text": "I should come by and liberate your alcohol collection, Edward. ",
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"text": "pleeeeeease.",
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"text": "I see evidence that the Spanish set up a feudal society in Mexico and that (as often happens in feudal societies) individual officials oppressed the Indians.",
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"text": "encomienda was distinct from slavery in theory but not in fact",
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"text": "it was inherently oppressive because the Indians had few rights, and none that were consistently enforced",
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"text": "That's like saying \"crony capitalism\" is distinct from slavery in theory but not in fact.",
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"text": "no it is NOT",
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"text": "They also didn't have twitter to inform the Queen of their plight immediately.",
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"text": "It's kinda hard to have a consistent domestic policy if message transport involves a month round-trip.",
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"text": "I'm not attacking your precious Queen.",
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"text": "She probably meant well",
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"text": "Pater Edmund left again already. sigh.",
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"text": "Samantha it was a bit more complicated than that in Mexico and the New World generally",
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"text": "more complicated than what?",
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"text": "No, I'm still here. I don't know about false things outweighing the true. I have to look into it more. But they do say a lot of true things.",
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"text": "than you're making it out to be",
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"text": "The feudal system in Europe wasn't a form of slavery either: but there were plenty of rulers who abused their authority (King John in England, for example)",
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"text": "So, the natives had lots of rights under the Spaniards that were consistently enforced?",
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"text": "But only an Enlightenment philosopher would call the European serfs \"slaves\"",
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"text": "That God is compassionate and merciful, the Creator of all things, the guide and lawgiver of mankind, who sits enthroned above the shifts of time, who changing all things remains Himself unchanged.",
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"text": "JA Escalante ensoulment is a difficulty for Thomism. Is there a theory for which it isn't?",
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"text": "I'm making a particular historical point, Edward, not a broad theoretical claim",
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"text": "it varied by regions and period, but in general it was a movement toward greater consistency; at some points the criollos were actually angry that the Crown was doing so much to enforce the rights of the new subjects",
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"text": "And my historical point was that the kinds of abuses you found in the Spanish colonies are the kinds of abuses one finds in feudal societies generally.",
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"text": "And are consistent with a \"liberation\" narrative.",
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"text": "but generally I prefer to agree with Samantha so I'll leave it at that",
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"text": "Heck, you found similar abuses in the American south re. Catholics.",
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"text": "Except feudal European societies weren't based on a conquering race subjugating original inhabitants",
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"text": "which is a pretty huge difference",
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"text": "Tell that to the Basques.",
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"text": "Alsace-Lorraine?",
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"text": "Normandy?",
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"text": "The Saxons under William the Conqueror?",
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"text": "Ok, for the most part, then",
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"text": "Most of European society was founded by Roman conquest.",
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"text": "and a long period of naturalization.",
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"text": "those people weren't liberated by their conquerors either",
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"text": "And the tribes surrounding the Aztecs _were_ liberated by the conquest in some minimal sense.",
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"text": "\u201c\u2026the Third Estate need not fear examining the past. It will betake itself to the year preceding the \u2018conquest\u2019; and as it is nowadays too strong to be conquered it will certainly resist effectively. Why should it not repatriate to the Franconian forests all the families who wildly claim to descend from the race of the conquerors and to inherit their rights of conquest? If it were purged in this way, I think the nation might well recover from the thought that thence-forward it would be reduced to the descendants of mere Gauls and Romans. When our poor fellow citizens insist on distinguishing one lineage and another, could nobody reveal to them that it is at least as good to be descended from the Gauls and the Romans as from the Sicambrians, Welches and other savages from the woods and swamps of ancient Germany? \u2018True enough,\u2019 some will say; \u2018but conquest has upset all relationships and hereditary nobility now descends through the line of the conquerors.\u2019 Well, then we shall have to arrange for it to descend through the other line! The Third Estate will become noble again by becoming a conqueror in its own turn.\u201d\n- Emmanuel Joseph Siey\u00e8s What is the Third Estate?",
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"text": "They no longer had to give up their men and women as human sacrifices.",
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"text": "http://exlaodicea.wordpress.com/.../arthurian-republicanism/\nArthurian Republicanism\n> \u201c...the Third Estate need not fear examining the past. It will betake itself to the year preceding the \u2018conquest\u2019;...\nEXLAODICEA.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "Could you define \"Third Estate\", Pater Edmund? I often confuse the various \"Estates\".",
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"text": "I think it was a pretty long time before the rights the crown granted the natives made it to the New World in any very real sense.",
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"text": "In the meantime, most of them were dead from smallpox anyway",
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"text": "Ok, it's true, there was generally a lot of conquering all the time in history. I take back that claim",
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"text": "If you told the Indians at the time of Cortez that the Spaniards had liberated them, they just didn't know it yet because of the limits of transportation available to their masters, I think they'd be rather nonplussed",
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"text": "But I think whether or not the Indians thought they had been liberated would depend on whether you asked an Aztec or not.",
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"text": "The Spaniards didn't just enslave and slaughter Aztecs.",
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"text": "But don't take my word for it, take Fr. Bartolome De Las Casas's",
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"text": "I was focusing on what is now called \"Mexico\".",
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"text": "And the Aztec Empire.",
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"text": "And, historically, it's also not clear that Cortes is reponisible for what happened after his conquest of Mexico.",
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"text": "He wasn't exactly on good terms with the Spanish government.",
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"text": "I think it is a perfectly respectable position to hold that the natives were better off under Spain than under the Aztecs.",
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"text": "That is a moderated version of your original claim.",
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"text": "But I have to make dinner. Ciao",
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"text": "Bye!",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson No one's talking! Take it down! Take it down! Take it DOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWNNNNN!!!!!!!!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N1Q8oFpX1Y\nJIBO: The World's First Family Robot\nCROWDFUNDING NOW at http://www.myjibo.comMeet JIBO! See what JIBO can do, and how he can fit in and is...\nYOUTUBE.COM\nSeptember 5 at 5:54pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJoshua Kenz All of the Europeans were more or less dicks to the natives. Of all the evil they are accused of, though, toppling the Aztecs was actually a good thing, in se. But human sacrifice was practiced elsewhere...Incas, Chimu, Moche....to this day in the highlands of Peru remnants of ritual combat happen every year where, before planting crops, members of different villages go all combaty with each other.\nNow just because the Aztecs, and much of South American dominant tribes were evil, doesn't mean Europeans replaced them with beneficence.\nIn fact, if anything, the French treated the Indians far better than the Spaniards. And both were better than the English.\nI have been told two reasons why the French treated them better\n1. Religious- they have souls, must be converted. But this was true of the Spaniards and Portuguese\n2. No legal slavery. Technically true of the Spaniards (on paper)\nBut really:\n3. But here is what set them apart....they were interested in furs and the like, and less in land. It is simply more economical to be on good trading relations. No need for plantations, field hands, etc. Expediency, not beneficence.\nNow, against Mrs. Cohoe, it must be said that members of other tribes did aid and ally with the Spaniards against the Aztecs. I think at the time they would see it as being liberated...it is what came shortly thereafter that would change that perception.\nI also think the deplorable wickedness of many S. American tribes, either contemporary (Aztec) or already gone (Moche) was often seen as giving too great a warrant to lord over them. After all, their society was Satanic...if we have to subjugate them in order to save them, it is merely because they are savages.\nThe English and French had less basis for asserting such reasoning, of course, but that didn't stop the English....well in fairness, colonials. England, at least after the French and Indian Wars, had a far more humane policy. Which we enumerate among the intolerable acts of tyranny of course, but that is a whole other can of worms there!",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I still want to hear more about the various options if one believes in an immortal soul for a material animal (i.e. man). Heck, it's hard to understand even with the other animals!",
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"text": "Edward Langley, the break up of families and the attendant evil was not inherent in slavery. Even the Southern Jeremiads condemned that great sin in the ante-bellum south. In other words, even some of the fiercest proponents of slavery, said the south would be punished by God because of breaking up of slave families and the like\nBrazil, which had slavery for a little while longer, did not allow the break up of families. Neither did Imperial Rome. That the Spaniards forbade such is a small thing, since even the Portuguese did that and they had slavery (de jure and de facto).",
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"text": "My point, though, was that the legal framework the Spaniards imposed on the natives is not a matter of \"slavery\".",
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"text": "It's problems seem to stem less from the system itself than from corrupt officials.",
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"text": "Our Lady of Gaudalupe did not come to save anything but a less than hopeless situation.",
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"text": "The relation of the French to the Indians is interesting, though.",
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"text": "Especially in World War 0 where the Indians were employed by the French to basically wage total war against English settlements.",
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"text": "Ok, I made dinner. I think Mr. Kenz summary is pretty much right.",
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"text": "Would you also argue that Russian serfdom wasn't slavery?",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I am having a hard time following your analogizing the Spanish system with an 18th century fictitious system. You are saying that the Spanish modelled it after the construction of French philosophes writing 200 years later?\nIn case you cannot follow that, you do realize feudalism is a myth, right?",
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"text": "Yes, as far as I know.",
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"text": "Are you thinking of manoralism?",
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"text": "I wasn't using Feudalism in any technical sense.",
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"text": "Well, then what sense were you using the F-word in? I know of no consistent meaning, as bad historians trying to force it bak through projection come up with various contrary meanings....",
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"text": "Russian serfdom is a good example of \"feudalism\" that wasn't technically slavery, but in fact was.",
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"text": "What I meant was that, as far as I can tell, the government of the new world was just an extension of the way the government related to commoners in the Old World.",
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"text": "And I would guess encomienda was a lot worse, at least at its worse.",
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"text": "In all seriousness, I have no idea what that word is supposed to mean here! Do you guys mean manorialism?",
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"text": "I don't know what Edward means. I think he just means that the natives were laborers on land that wasn't theirs",
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"text": "Okay...sorry the cranky medievalist in me awoke. Fr. Thompson said once that if you even want to see a medievalist rant, just use the \"F-word\" (Feudalism).",
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"text": "Ed, let's just agree that \"liberation\" was a ridiculous thing to say, and I may have initially overstated the evils of encomienda",
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"text": "*may* have.",
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"text": "Can I call you Ed?",
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"text": "yes.",
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"text": "I agree that it is ridiculous to say that the Spanish liberated the natives.",
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"text": "But I still reserve judgment about Cortes's expedition.",
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"text": "Maybe, once I finish the Ph.D. thing I'll look in more depths into Spanish history.",
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"text": "And, Joshua, it looks like Manorialism is essentially what I meant by Feudalism",
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"text": "Interesting aspect though of the Spanish system....it encourage interbreeding with Europeans, as mixed-race were not subject to force labor. Compare that to the ante-bellum south....even if you could pass as white, e.g. most of the Healy family, if your mother was a slave, you were a slave (which leaves us with bizarre aspects of history, like a US naval officer who was legally a slave, a president of Georgetown that was born a slave and served while it had a no blacks policy, a bishop of Portland Maine that was legally a slave even as he was ordained a priest....oh that wacky Healy family, pretending to the black Irish...)",
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"text": "Perhaps this is all I mean: \"varying degrees of servile peasantry underpinning a hierarchy of localised power centers.\"",
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"text": "From the little I've read, the Russian system of serfdom was radically different than, say, the English system of \"feudalism.\" But the emphasis here is on *little*",
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"text": "And all that tells me is that Tolstoy wanted to free the serfs.",
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"text": "A movement which seems to have lead directly to Communism.",
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"text": "Katie Duda--explain serfdom in Tolstoy's day to us!",
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"text": "The curious thing about Tolstoy, is that he seems to thinks that the serfs were the real Russians. (cf. that dancing serf scene in W&P)",
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"text": "You know what a real weakness at TAC is? History. We don't learn it at all, basically, outside a few ancient works the first two years.",
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"text": "The medievalist in me wants to post this:\nhttp://historymedren.about.com/od/feudalism/a/feudalism.htm\nThe Problem With Feudalism - the F-Word\nFeudalism was once considered the prevailing social system of medieval Europe. But most medievalists have...\nHISTORYMEDREN.ABOUT.COM|BY BY MELISSA SNELL",
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"text": "That said, how do you, ethically and really distinguish a serf from a slave?",
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"text": "^Thanks for that.",
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"text": "I feel like I should work feudalism into a conversation with Dr. Noone now.",
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"text": "I've already got him to rant about how only paleographers can determine what Aquinas really thought.",
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"text": "???? So what, like the 10 people on earth that can read his handwriting have some Thomisticgnosis....?",
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"text": "It's worse than that, you have to have read all the manuscript sources to really understand what St. Thomas thinks.",
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"text": "Is Dr. Noone a Dunceman?",
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"text": "(i.e. Bonaventure, Alexander of Hales, Guibert of Tournai . . . )",
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"text": "Noone is CUA's resident Scotist, but this isn't a particularly Scotistic position: The acclaimed Fr. Gauthier (who edited the Leonine edition of the commentary on Nic. Ethics) seems to have thought something similar.",
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"text": "No offense, but he sounds like an impossible blow....really?\nAnd I suppose you need to under who they were responding to, and so on ad infinitum, or until we hit the point that we haven't a clue, because we don't have every thought, coversation, etc down",
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"text": "In fact, it seems to be the general position of the real Gilsonians.",
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"text": "So their position is that they don't have a frickin' clue what St. Thomas actually holds, because we know they do not have some hidden gnosis unavailable to everyone else, and their demand is impossible in reality.",
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"text": "Just like there are certain opinions about music that are characteristic errors of musicians.",
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"text": "To overexalt their authority?",
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"text": "Does Noone himself claim to understand said doctrine?",
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"text": "No, I think his general position is that Aquinas hasn't seen all the difficulties and questions needed to resolve the positions.",
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"text": "Another example of this error, though, we had a literature professor give a lecture at TAC once. In the Q&A, he explicitly said that the study of literature should direct all the other sciences.",
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"text": "Joel, it isn't TAC's fault that historians don't write great books.",
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"text": "read Livy and tell me that",
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"text": "IDK I've got a great history of the 30 years war that came out relatively recently",
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"text": "But to go to what point can be made from what Noone says - if you want to understand great books one must turn to context.\nIt's great that TAC bends the stick the other way to break students free from rampant historicism, but after the beginning it provides one really needs to know context if one wants to truly understand the meaning of those great and not so great old books.",
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"text": "My counter-point is that if St. Thomas didn't think he needed to mention his sources and footnote to be understood, why should we need to read those sources?",
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"text": "if context is \"minimally important\" for a study of philosophy then why does TAC seminar (where the bulk of the philosophy is) proceed historically?",
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"text": "Perhaps because TAC doesn't intend to teach philosophy in seminar?",
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"text": "I wouldn't call it minimal. Great errors arise comes from ignoring it. St. Thomas wasn't writing for people 7 centuries from his time.\nIf you're talking about the Summa, he was writing a textbook for advanced students. So yah, no footnotes. But he wrote what he did in the midst of very heated battles - I would hope that in grad school one dug into them for the sake of fully understanding him!",
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"text": "Teaching philosophy ahistorically is an error",
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"text": "Sure, to some degree.",
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"text": "Someone like Locke is a good case in point. You can make Locke look like a number of different (even opposing) things depending on what you read of him and what part of context you are aware of.",
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"text": "Is it possible to understand Kant's first critique independent of Newton and British empiricism?",
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"text": "Teaching Kant, in TAC's book, is only teaching philosophy per accidens..",
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"text": "I grant that philosophy itself is not per se historical - but it is conducted by human beings who live in time and place and communicate within that time and place with the language they're given.",
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"text": "When they intend to teach philosophy (i.e. in the philosophy tutorial), they proceed according to the ordo doctrinae.",
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"text": "But Aristotle makes his own writing historical and contextual by citing his predecessors",
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"text": "to understand what his philosophical project is he thinks it is important to place it in context, at least in the \"history of ideas\"",
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"text": "Aristotle's procedure in citing predecessors is important, though, he generally mentions them in the context of laying out the possible positions on some question. In fact, even if all those philosophers were lost, the Aristotelian text would still make sense because the important thing is the position rather than the positioned.",
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"text": "I'm not against the history of philosophy per se, anyways. Especially when people realize that doing such history isn't just a matter of listing everyone's position on a given question.",
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"text": "However, it gets tiresome when medievalists prevent one from doing philosophy in the medieval mode: i.e. they want you to write monographs about Quaestiones Disputatae rather than writing your very own commentary on the Sentences.",
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"text": "I'm not talking the \"history of philosophy\" but it is important to study chronologically because the ideas (positions as you put it) are usually a response to someone else, especially more so from the medievals on.",
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"text": "The recent project to historicize philosophy is an attempt to particularize the universal. If one step away and look at poetry instead, many of the great poets require not much historical context to understand. (It was part of Bacon's project to historize all disciplines and we pretty much all lined up like docile ants to contribute our own iota.) But is Plato understandable without volumes of context? Is Aquinas so different? Isn't it a presumption against the possibility of what he attempted?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Joel-- is that why Catherine isn't on this thread much?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "isn't there a pretty good transition from British Empiricist --> Kant --> Hegel --> etc etc?",
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"text": "Michael, that's the position I deny, at least for the medievals.",
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"text": "And, do we even bother to study all the figures in the British Empiricist tradition?",
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"text": "I actually have a historical theory of error",
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"text": "If one is setting up a position simply for setting up a position, not because someone *actually* held that position, isn't that what we call \"straw man\"?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I've been thinking about Scott's two souls in one body theory of twinning.",
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"text": "No: a straw man is also an intentionally weak position.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Anyone want to hear a defense of his position?",
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"text": "Unlike Scott, I do not deny my heresy",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Go ahead, Samantha? (Is it ok if I just call you Sam ?)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Mrs. Cohoe to you",
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"text": "It's a straw man if you're setting up a position no one holds specifically to refute it.",
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"text": "So, I think the problem we all had with his position is that we basically have an Aristotelian understanding of the soul, and don't see how a body can have two forms",
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"text": "Mrs. doesn't apply to people who went to school with my in-laws .",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "What? Who're your in-laws?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Jonathan and Henry Teichert.",
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"text": "But, what if we say that there was divine intervention, such that both souls simultaneously act as form of the matter in exactly the same way?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "So, who did you marry?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Bernadette.",
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"text": "Now, obviously, this *is* seriously ad hoc.",
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"text": "But there doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem that isn't seriously ad hoc. Other than ensoulment taking place later, which has its own problems",
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"text": "I think that defense might involve a contradiction.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Mor soon.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "oh, congrats.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "why does later ensoulment cause problems",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, I don't think that is possible. Even if we took a faulty Scotis view, of multiple substantial forms in one body, they are still conatined by the higher form. If they both act \"in the same way\" well, I think that is just incoherent.\nIt is also difficult, because one would basically have to hold that God, forseeing the twinning, prepares for it by cramming two souls in, but twinning really does seem to be a natural process of generation, and is potential in any zygote....so does every zygote have an indefinite number of souls? It just seems like a huge stretch.",
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"text": "Michael--it does seem asdhic",
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"text": "sorry, toddler attack",
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"text": "MB. I agree with you and Langley. wrt old historians they were not about the mere chronicle of deeds and facts. Why did Herodotus write? Plutarch? Bede? They were more universal in their aims than many contemporary philosophers.",
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"text": "There is one, self-directed, biological organism from conception. If it doesn't have a rational soul, what sort of organism is it? Is it still human? I dunno, maybe it's not a huge problem, but it seems strange to me.",
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"text": "But I'm not entirely clear on what the later ensoulment view entails",
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"text": "Just to quibble, Joshua, I'm not sure that Scotus's pluriformist view is actually objectionable: from what I've heard, it seems closer to the view of elemental presence Aquinas lays out in De Mixtione Elementorum than a full-blown pluriformism.",
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"text": "Josh, your second paragraph seems right. I don't understand your first",
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"text": "Although, on further thought, why would it be problematic to assert that God foresees every aspect of twinning and provides an extra soul? Other than the ad hoc problem.",
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"text": "For the second soul to inform the matter, the matter would have to retain the potency to form in the way it had it prior to information. But that would imply that there were two matters in the composite: in addition to the proximate matter (flesh and bones, etc.) there would be this unchangeable remote matter that just kinda sat there. But that just isn't the way matter works.",
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"text": "One argument: matter is relative to form; thus, as the more universal form stands to the less universal form so the remote matter stands to the proximate matter; but the more universal form (i.e. the form of substance) does not stand to the less universal form (i.e. the form of man) as one form two another but rather as two aspects of the same form. So too, the more remote matter does not stand to the more proximate matter as two matters but rather as the same matter considered in two different ways.",
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"text": "I think Joshua nailed it. Does God foresee the twinning or tripletting, etc and stuff in X number of souls ahead? It certainly seems more like twinning is a natural potential of zygotes.",
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"text": "Well, so is being conceived a natural potential of human persons. But we still think God has to \"stuff in\" an immortal soul, right?",
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"text": "Thus, after information, the matter in the man doesn't retain the potency to the soul of man in the way it did before hand and, as such, cannot be re-informed by a form of the same kind.",
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"text": "Ed, sorry, I've put the kids to bed and had a beer. Your last two seem like gibberish to me.",
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"text": "<<Well, so is being conceived a natural potential of human persons. But we still think God has to \"stuff in\" an immortal soul, right?>>> Seriously, though, is this what we think? This ensoulment talk has me confused.",
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"text": "Samantha--the Thomistic-Aristotelian view of ensoulment--even for purely non-rational souls--always confused the hell out of me.",
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"text": "I mean, I follow it, but it * does * seem ad hoc and \"like a dodge.\" Still, the other views of ensoulment of which I'm aware seem even shiftier.",
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"text": "I don't see what's confusing about it. ",
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"text": "The hey presto creation ex nihilo is awfully convenient, yes?",
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"text": "But, that's absolutely necessary.",
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"text": "Only God can create an intellect: since if something lower could create an intellect, that intellect would be perfectly satisfied by contemplation of that lower thing.",
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"text": "And it's beatitude wouldn't be the beatific vision.",
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"text": "Sure, I mean, I'm convinced by it. But it doesn't sit easily. Like I said, it follows from things I think have to be true, and every other explanation seems even weaker.",
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"text": "OK, but what's the difference between saying that God put two souls in one zygote knowing that there would be a twinning, and saying that God puts an immortal soul in a sufficiently developed embryo? Am I getting the ensoulment view wrong?",
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"text": "Because matter must be proportioned to form.",
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"text": "Though, actually, I reject your argument Edward. Only on the order of grace are humans called to the beatific vision.",
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"text": "But this lower thing that co-creates the intellect creates a matter that is only able to exist as an intellect-infused thing. In other words the matter of man (species not gender) must be rationally ensouled.",
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"text": "Get out of here with your nouvelle theologie!",
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"text": "It's Augustine.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "In twinning the soul splits in two. Twins have strange characteristics. Mysterious indeed. Far more we cant know than can and both outstrip by light years what we think we know. ",
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"text": "Edward, you misspelled \"Henri de Lubac\"",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "John, I'm pretty sure that's NOT what we want to say",
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"text": "IT's also straight out of Bonaventure.",
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"text": "The soul can't intrinsically change in that way.",
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"text": "Do you think that we desire to know God by our nature?",
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"text": "*in his essence that is",
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"text": "Aquinas implies that in some sense in ST I.12.1",
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"text": "Somebody tell me about ensoulment! Where is Mr. Kenz?",
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"text": "He bloody well does not!",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "kidding. But they are strange. I have heard many stories. Some from twins.",
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"text": "Sorry, I.12.2",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Cum enim ultima hominis beatitudo in altissima eius operatione consistat, quae est operatio intellectus, si nunquam essentiam Dei videre potest intellectus creatus, vel nunquam beatitudinem obtinebit, vel in alio eius beatitudo consistet quam in Deo. Quod est alienum a fide. In ipso enim est ultima perfectio rationalis creaturae, quia est ei principium essendi, intantum enim unumquodque perfectum est, inquantum ad suum principium attingit. Similiter etiam est praeter rationem. Inest enim homini naturale desiderium cognoscendi causam, cum intuetur effectum; et ex hoc admiratio in hominibus consurgit. Si igitur intellectus rationalis creaturae pertingere non possit ad primam causam rerum, remanebit inane desiderium naturae. Unde simpliciter concedendum est quod beati Dei essentiam videant.\"",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "You think the \"light of glory\" is on the order of nature?",
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"text": "\"Si igitur intellectus rationalis creaturae pertingere non possit ad primam causam rerum, remanebit inane desiderium naturae.\"",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Yes, we naturally desire to know God",
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"text": "\"Unde simpliciter concedendum est quod beati Dei essentiam videant.\"",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "To jump waaaay back, Matthew J. Peterson \"You can make Locke look like a number of different (even opposing) things depending on what you read of him and what part of context you are aware of.\" One can even make Locke look like he agrees with Aquinas!",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Interesting about Locke. That happens with aquinas. Interpreting into texts is a modern phenomena. We simply dont try hard enough to understand what an author means, compounded by the problem that many dont know what they mean themselves.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "as far as the ensoulment problem goes, I don't see how one can rationally take another take than delayed ensoulment. From what we know, biologically, of human generation it seems a huge waste of rational souls to create so many that will never develop.\nDr. Optiz on the bioethics counsel testified that between 60 and 80% of naturally conceived human embryos get thrown out with the monthly bathwater. If they are ensouled, and suffer the stain of original sin, then God appears a bit monstrous. I'm not asking anyone to gird up their loins like a man, but how does this make any sense if fertilization = ensoulment",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "MB. Good point. Good discussion. I am at a loss. It is a mystery but God is just. I dont worry about matters so hidden to us..",
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"text": "I\"m not sure who makes Locke look like he agrees with Aquinas.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'm sure whomever it was was at TAC Matt",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I thought that was a reference to the Lockistotle dustup",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "No kidding John \u00dfwenkler. It's funny how these scholars of Aristotle jump right over his errors and head straight to the modern eugenic scientist for explanations about the human soul. They don't do dogmatic theology. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception might be something they keep in a shoe box somewhere, but they certainly don't study it.",
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"text": "ahh but Strauss on the other hand MP",
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"text": "\"Respondeo dicendum quod impossibile est quod aliquis intellectus creatus per sua naturalia essentiam Dei videat.\" I.12.4",
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"text": "\"Sed intellectus noster vel angelicus, quia secundum naturam a materia aliqualiter elevatus est, potest ultra suam naturam per gratiam ad aliquid altius elevari.\" I.12.4 ad 3",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Nouvelle Theologie aside, the question is, could a created intellect have perfect beatitude in attainment of something less than God.",
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"text": "Also, what do you make of Q.D. de veritate q 14, a. 3",
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"text": "\"Aliud est bonum hominis naturae humanae proportionem excedens, quia ad ipsum obtinendum vires naturales non sufficiunt, nec etiam ad cognoscendum vel desiderandum; sed ex sola divina liberalitate homini repromittitur;\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "what nature lacks, God supplies. By nature we cannot attain our natural end. Was it so in Eden? [ To the previous quotes, Joel. I am not sure I understand the last.]",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Scott, you are aware that there is a science of living things, right? and that science is called Biology? And it makes the faithful look like absolute jackasses if they don't understand it and speak in enthymemetic syllophor?",
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"text": "Additionally, Scott it is easy to talk trash, but less easy to, say, define \"conception\" which you have failed to do in any meaningful non-metagismic way.",
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"text": "Scott--I'm still nct convinced that the IC requires us to say what everything you want us to--then again, I'm not exactly sure what you take the dogma to mean.",
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"text": "#metagism gnosis",
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"text": "there are a few things that are clear in human development:\n1: there is fertilization\n2: there is ensoulment\n3: the first is a biological act, the second, divine.\nafter that you lose me",
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"text": "Especially since uncritical defense of the IC could result in saying that Mary doesn't need the Passion to be saved.",
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"text": "that and uncritical defense of various poorly understood things leads one to being a flat earther. \nDo we have pictures of Scott in a tinfoil hat?",
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"text": "Michael, depends what you mean by \"ensoulment\": before the rational soul there is already a vegetative soul and probably a sensitive soul, on the hypothesis of delayed ensoulment.",
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"name": "Jeff Stouffer",
"text": "RE: Human development...they drive in a way to truly irritate me ALL THE TIME!!!",
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"text": "At least, both vegetative and sensitive souls are both the kinds of things that are proportioned to natural causes while the rational soul requires a divine cause.",
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"text": "I'm referring to \"ensoulment\" as that point in time in the development that a rational soul is placed in matter. (I hate \"informed\" as a philsophic term)",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Placed in\" runs the risk of sounding Plartesian.",
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"text": "But I agree that \"informed\" is pure jargon.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "as regards 'vegetative' or 'animal' soul, sperm have DNA and move, are they living or parts of something living?",
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"text": "Yes?",
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"text": "I don't see any reason to deny Aristotle's view that the sperm is an instrument of the father.",
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"text": "I think that means it is a distinct, incomplete, living thing.",
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"text": "what would a distinct, incomplete, animal soul be like?",
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"text": "Who's purpose is to dispose the egg to receiving a human form.",
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"text": "Well, living is said there equivocally, surely.",
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"text": "Don't think so, except in the way \"living\" is equivocal between plants, animals and men.",
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"text": "we could ask similar questions about the egg. otherwise petri dish fertilization wouldn't be possible",
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"text": "I think the accounts of both are parallel (and actually don't necessarily contradict Aristotle's view)",
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"text": "I agree that they are parallel, but I'm not sure that Aristotle's account gives us the proper distinctions.",
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"text": "It has to be \"alive\" in some sense. But not in the way a complete living thing is, which reproduces others of its kind, etc.",
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"text": "^so what \"form\" does that have^",
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"text": "Have you read Generation of Animals? I think it's position is defensible in the main.",
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"text": "Edward, it's been a while....",
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"text": "Michael, a form similar to what a separately existing human cell has.",
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"text": "but different too, I suppose",
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"text": "Yeah: the transitional forms in generation are intrinsically ordered to the final human.",
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"text": "Edward Langley--you mean like, if a skin cell was kept alive in a petri dish, what form would it have?",
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"text": "Similarly, with the sperm and the egg, right? My biology may be off, but they don't really have the nutritive faculty once they've been developed, do they?",
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"text": "way to change the subject Peterson. jerk.",
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"text": "other than one-celled creature that eat - hi amoeba!",
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"text": "And then threw a fit when it was criticized. \"He was taught by Straussians! He was taught by Lavalians! Don't you think he already understands your feeble objections!\"",
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"text": "Michael--I was thinking what Edward was saying. Most (though not all?) cells can take in nutrition from the blood. Certainly living things considered as whole organisms can. Sperm and egg can't, until the egg gets fertilized and implanted.",
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"text": "or do they only possess them in virtue of being a part of that thing that has an animal soul?",
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"text": "or both?",
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"text": "Aurelia finally succumbed to Berquist's sleep inducing voice. I fear I will follow not far behind. Of course, his voice is sleep inducing because it is soporific.",
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"text": "so a cell that is part of an animal doesn't have a proper form, but if we separate it then it gets a form, properly?",
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"text": "Yah, I object to cartoon objections - he doesn't claim Lockistotle - perhaps one might argue that what he says amounts to such if one grapples with his argument.\nPeople were laying out the ridiculous jump to conclusions mat that day, bringing out objections that only an idiot would never have considered, regardless of whether or not one agrees with his conclusions.\nBut such is the internets: your complicated book gets summarized in an article and then the article gets posted and then people make comments based on the headline.\nBut the Lockistotle debate is usually had in other circles...\nI finished my review, and thus far they say it will be published later this fall.",
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"text": "Or, people read the article and found it unconvincing for obvious reasons and it pissed you off b/c you want everyone to cheer wildly for \"innovation\" so that we aren't a backwater school. I mean, I know bugger all, so don't take what I say seriously, but if the objections were so handily dismissible, you could have engaged with their substance.",
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"text": "I mean, I'm not trying to be difficult (atypically) but all this applies to human development, generation and ultimately what we understand when we profess the dogma of the IC",
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"text": "Going waaaay back-- I don't know about the \"stained with original sin\" aspect of the equation, but I don't think it's a very solid argument against personhood from conception to point out the high percentage of early miscarriages. It's only very recently that the majority of children survived childhood. Do we say that makes God a monster? seems like an analogous case.",
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"text": "The reason I call it a quasi-form is not because it acts like a real form nor because it isn't a real form (for some value of \"real\"), but because it isn't the form of a being complete in itself.",
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"text": "Samantha, children who died (in the past) were typically baptized. that doesn't happen to four cells that leave with the menstrual cycle",
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"text": "Are Cajetan's commentaries on the summa available online?",
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"text": "Yeah, ok, in Christendom, sure. Millions of children have died unbaptized though. I'm not sure your objection changes the substance, just the numbers.",
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"text": "but if 60% (taking the smaller figure) die before the fertilized egg implants, that means much much more than any infant mortality figure.\nIf you think that 20% infant mortality is high, this is 10 times that many",
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"text": "Why would abortifacient contraception be wrong in the early stages then? Prior to full ensoulment? (I realize this isn't a real argument against, b/c I'm assuming what I should be proving.)",
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"text": "Because of the dignity of human life.",
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"text": "Thanks Ed, now I had to delete my long winded reply",
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"text": "All the transitional beings are human lives.",
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"text": "I'm saying there is already a number that is impossible to accept comfortably, so the problem has to be dealt with whether we posit 60% of ensouled persons being miscarried or no",
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"text": "How does this not reduce to the MP's \"Every Sperm is Sacred\"?",
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"text": "I don't see a problem with that claim?",
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"text": "which claim",
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"text": "What claim? That the sperm are little homonculi that mustn't be killed on any account?",
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"text": "why does this always degenerate into sex? \nNFP arguments? Anyone? Buehler?",
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"text": "I'm not going to dig up the article, but the comments and objections were ASSume city, ridiculously put, and not worth responding too. \nIt wasn't clear from the article what his response/argument was/would be, or whether or not it was correct: but it was clear he was well aware of the objections made by people with far less professional interaction with said objections than he's got under his belt.",
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"text": "\"Officially\" Baptism happens in three circumstances:\n1. Ordinarily: through water\n2. Extraordinarily:\n2a. If a catechumen dies while intending to become a Christian\n2b. If a catechumen is martyred.",
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"text": "The latter two are \"Baptism of Desire\" and \"Baptism of Blood\".",
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"text": "Not being a Catholic, I can just be all \"I trust God's mercy. No need to worry about unbaptized babies.\"",
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"text": "But the chatechism mentions that non-Christians who sincerely seek God and try to do his will may be aved.",
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"text": "Agreeing with Seagrave of TAC and ND on the public discourse is not going to change our backwater status. Hah. I cheer for people out in the ring wrestling with ideas - I still think the jury will be out for a while (and for me as well) as people argue with him more over time and he's forced to deal with objections.",
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"text": "Wasn't Seagrave the one that argued that our common experience rules out evolution?",
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"text": "The Catechism mentions it, but then you have dozens of much more magisterial statements, such as the one Beitia quoted above, saying baptism and the Catholic church are necessary and exclusive means of salvation.",
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"text": "Baptism of Desire comes from the Fathers, and Baptism of Blood is implied by the feast of the Holy Innocents: none of whom were baptized.",
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"text": "Ah, here's the money quote: \"After all, some serious philosophers\u2014most notably Aristotle, Aquinas, and Locke\u2014think that all of our knowledge of the world comes initially through our senses.\" LOCKISTOTLE! J'ACCUSE!",
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"text": "The Catechism gets into more controversial ground. Not that the CCC is wrong, just that (at the very least) this is still open for debate.",
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"text": "The point is that, if God in certain circumstances saves people w/o using the sacramental order, it's not unreasonable to hope that he saves others w/o using the sacramental order.",
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"text": "I think it parallels the way \"extra ecclesiam nulla salus\" has been interpreted.",
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"text": "And, the treatment of the Feeneyites indicates that that doctrine is to be interpreted in terms of the \"invisible Church\". i.e. all the baptized.",
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"text": "Remember when the NYT was publishing articles about how limbo would be abolished any day now?",
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"text": "the canon says baptism is necessary. \"what do you mean by baptism?\" really?",
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"text": "A week or so ago, I was arguing against universalism and now I'm being accused of universalism.",
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"text": "yeah. . . \"Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus\" depends on what you mean by \"church\"",
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"text": "But the Catholic Church has always affirmed the validity of Orthodox and Christian Baptisms as long as the form and matter are sufficient.",
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"text": "to quote you, Ed:\nSure, but the difficulty is interpreting what \"baptism\" means.",
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"text": "The definition I just gave (modified here): the invisible church is all the baptized who have not separated themself through personal sin.",
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"text": "All that are validly baptized (and living) are part of the church militant.",
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"text": "Ok, then why did you object \"People who have divided themselves from the church whether it be by heresy, or apostasy, or schism . . .\"",
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"text": "But, however the words are used, what I said still stands: \"extra ecclesiam nulla salus\" does not mean \"only those who die in a state of grace who claim to belong to the Roman Catholic Church are saved\".",
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"text": "It means \"anyone validly baptized who dies in a state of grace is saved\".",
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"text": "It isn't a division I've heard from Catholics before, not as you are using it. But your point about the validity baptisms of and by people the church considers heretics is accepted by all, I think.",
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"text": "And \"baptized\", at the very least, can refer to the ordinary baptism of water and the extraordinary baptisms of blood and desire.",
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"text": "Joel, I might be misremembering the Baltimore Catechism, but I kinda remember a picture of a boat with little ropes hanging off of it.",
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"text": "Sure, but the old understanding of that would be that if an infant was baptized by heretics, he *would belong to the Church*",
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"text": "Yes, so do I. And I don't have some ultra-rigourist views, really. I just think people are too quick to have this idea that everybody is saved without struggling with the fact that for much of history this view would have been decidedly not a mainstream catholic view.",
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"text": "Yeah, that's not what I'm saying: what I'm saying is that there is space in Catholic doctrine for non-Christians and unbaptized infants to receive sanctifying grace.",
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"text": "Well, I think that it may be possible that where the parents desired to have the infant baptized with the same desire that a catechuman had (i.e., they don't plan on doing it \"sometime\" but as soon as humanly possible), then that desire can stand in place for the child. Just as the parent's/godparent's answers stand in place of the infants at the actual baptism. But I'm open to correction here, and don't think this is officially taught anywhere.",
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"text": "That's not why they're venerated as Saints, Beitia.",
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"text": "more Trent!:\nIf any one denies, that infants, newly born from their mothers' wombs, even though they be sprung from baptized parents, are to be baptized; or says that they are baptized indeed for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam, which has need of being expiated by the laver of regeneration for the obtaining life everlasting,--whence it follows as a consequence, that in them the form of baptism, for the remission of sins, is understood to be not true, but false, --let him be anathema.",
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"text": "\" Not that they necessarily do receive sanctifying grace\" How is *anyone* getting saved w/o sanctifying grace? Isn't it need by definition?",
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"text": "You're misreading that sentence, Joel, it's not a statement about the necessity of sanctifying grace but a denial of a universal grant of sanctifying grace.",
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"text": "Beitia--I do think that it is Church teaching (if not de fide, then close to it) that the baptism of blood is sufficient for salvation. Also, a firm baptism of desire, though this is taught later.",
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"text": "That canon of Trent is beside the point, as far as I can tell, Michael.",
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"text": "i.e. didn't have water move over their heads.",
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"text": "Ah, Edward, the CCC is decidedly ambiguous: \"As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: \"Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,\" allows us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.\"",
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"text": "No, they could receive the baptism of blood",
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"text": "Iff martyred",
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"text": "http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm#xi\nUnbaptized infants - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism\nOne of the Seven Sacraments of the Christian Church; frequently called the 'first sacrament', the 'door of the sacraments', and the 'door of the Church'\nNEWADVENT.ORG",
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"text": "Never said it was.",
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"text": "It still is an authority owed \"religious submission of intellect and will\"",
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"text": "as promulgated by the Holy Father.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia--I know, I said that like 200 comments ago! I was just pointing out that it was also hardly clear on the point.",
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"text": "Edward--what of the cases where it clashes w/ other church doctrine also owed religious submission?",
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"text": "Thus, we see that sometimes God gives sanctifying grace even though the person wasn't baptized with water. Therefore, it is not a matter of doctrine that baptism of water is necessary in every case. Therefore, it's possible that non-publically-Christians and infants who never received the baptism of water somehow receive an extraordinary grant of grace.",
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"text": "They, therefore, walk in the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the Head of the Church, while not adhering loyally to His Vicar on earth. They have taken away the visible head, broken the visible bonds of unity and left the Mystical Body of the Redeemer so obscured and so maimed, that those who are seeking the haven of eternal salvation can neither see it nor find it.",
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"text": "Up there. it's a quote",
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"text": "Edward is correct.\nBaptism by water, desire and blood are all recognized. \nIf a catechuman on his way to the Easter Vigil is struck by a car, and you believe he will end up in hell because he was not baptized by water, that is not a Catholic understanding. God is not bound by the Sacraments, although they are His ordinary means of acting.\nIn the case of infant baptism, it is the Faith of the parents that brings the child to baptism (which is why it is licit for a Pastor to refuse baptism to a child if he is convinced the parents will not bring the child up in the Faith).\nThere was actually a commission looking into the question of baptism of desire re: parents who suffer a tragic miscarriage... since their Faith brings the child to the font, and they were only impeded from administering it by the mother's flesh which was in the way - could baptism of desire apply? I think it is a great question.... but I don't think it will be answered with much more than \"we don't really know - but we entrust the child to the mercy of God, knowing His love is greater even than the love of the parents....\"",
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"text": "As far as your quote goes, it's from an encyclical: I'm not really sure about their authority. I think that they are not necessarily part of the infallible teaching authority of the Church.",
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"text": "Anyways, none of the quotes you've posted contradicts my position in any meaningful ways: they just place limits on the circumstances in which my claims apply.",
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"text": "catechuman on the way to baptism. that is the most cherry-picked of possible examples",
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"text": "Edward Langley--where did you get the invisible/visible church thing? The way you were using it seems much more like a protestant understanding to me.",
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"text": "St. Ambrose (?) references baptism of desire in connection with a catechumen who died in a shipwreck.",
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"text": "Michael--do you reject the doctrine of baptism by desire? (At least, in that exemplar case)",
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"text": "and a stretch to go from that to unbaptized infants, simply",
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"text": "An infant does not consent to Baptism. The parents do. So much so that if the parent does not have faith, the child is not baptized. This is standard pastoral practice.",
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"text": "CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.",
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"text": "Aren't canons de fide?\nSee Translation",
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"text": "to be fair, I'm not denying the *possibility* that others may receive the gift of sanctifying grace, but as John Ruplinger put it - that's a hope, not a believe",
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"text": "I see now why you think my example is absurd. Because you want to believe that God is - well.....",
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"text": "I think you have to accept the minimal cases of a chatechumen martyred for the faith, and also killed on the way to baptism. But I'm too lazy to go look up the texts.",
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"text": "It's one thing to be clear about Church doctrine. It's another thing to present the doctrine in a way that conveys the impression that we know what happens to people who haven't received Baptism of Water.",
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"text": "no Marie, that was a response to Ed's previous comment. I made no such claims",
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"text": "So - why won't the Church baptize a child whose parents have no faith?",
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"text": "(One really odd case is the little boy Pius IX took from his jewish parents because he had been baptized. I don't really know all the details, or even if it actually happened, but it's an example that always gets brought up in similar situations).",
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"text": "You should read Thomas Pink on religious liberty.",
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"text": "What I am saying is that a homosexual activist couple who despise the Church but approach for baptism for their child (coming to a parish near you) would be denied - while the Church was examining the possibility that the daily Mass going parents who suffer a miscarriage after 3 excruciating weeks of bedrest may have obtained baptism by desire - and that seems utterly reasonable to me.",
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"text": "Marie makes a good case. If the reason we baptize infants in the first place is because of the parents' faith, then it isn't much of a leap to say they also benefit from baptism of desire (at least in the case of children of parents of faith).",
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"text": "Jody, what is non-sacramental Baptism?",
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"text": "so.................. we're full circle",
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"text": "Weirdos? What? Because we are discussing theology on a Friday night? Oh right. Maybe.",
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"text": "I was baptized as an infant by my fallen away Catholic parents and raised as an atheist. I converted in 2004 at the age of 33. I am very glad I was baptized because I believe that the graces I received led me back to the Church. I realize that this is anecdotal, but the TNET is the only thing I've got going at the moment.",
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"text": "98. When an infant is baptised, he or she cannot personally make a profession of faith. Rather, at that moment, the parents and the Church as a whole provide a context of faith for the sacramental action. Indeed, St Augustine teaches that it is the Church that presents a child for baptism.[132] The Church professes her faith and intercedes powerfully for the infant, supplying the act of faith that the infant is unable to make; again the bonds of communion, both natural and supernatural, are operative and manifest. If an unbaptised infant is incapable of a votum baptismi, then by the same bonds of communion the Church might be able to intercede for the infant and express a votum baptismi on his or her behalf that is effective before God. Moreover, the Church effectively does express in her liturgy just such a votum by the very charity towards all that is renewed in her in every celebration of the Eucharist.",
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"text": "^not de fide?",
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"text": "Yes! Aaron. What a blessing that you see it that way (I believe it to be true). But many are upset they can't celebrate the sacrament with their new awareness. They just don't get how without the grace latent in them, it might not have ever come to fruition.",
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"text": "What articles are de fide to you Michael?",
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"text": "Or was that clarified earlier?",
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"text": "No - it's the study I was talking about that was taking place when I was in grad school, and it was closely related to our study of St. Thomas on the sacraments, so we looked at it.",
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"text": "We can agree that an infant does not make a personal profession of faith, right?",
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"text": "CCC is certainly the teaching tradition of the Catholic Church. It can't be dismissed so easily.",
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"text": "if it is at odds with de fide teaching. . .",
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"text": "Ok. I'll bite. Where?",
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"text": "where what?",
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"text": "Dang, I have a wedding program to print and fold yet.",
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"text": "Where is the CCC at odds with de fide teaching?",
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"text": "TNET admits of no other hobbies",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman et al - re the earlier convo about top tier schools:\nhttp://www.newrepublic.com/.../harvard-ivy-league-should...\nThe Trouble With Harvard\nThe Ivy League is broken and only standardized tests can fix it.\nNEWREPUBLIC.COM",
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"text": "And you'll need to quote both the CCC article and the de fide statement it is contradicting.",
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"text": "\"Do you reject satan?\" I do! Shouts the 6 day old baby...",
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"text": "it isn't specifically, but I find people's quoting of CCC to support positions that contradict etc etc",
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"text": "10 years ago I heard about that study. It has been discussed for decades. Limbo for centuries. Trust that God really is good and it is all good. It is about Faith in Him.",
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"text": "Why did the Vatican publish the CCC?",
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"text": "To be optional teaching?",
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"text": "That was an invitation to read the intro.",
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"text": "I had all my babies baptized within a week of being born - Teresa was baptized by Jeremy in the hospital because she was in danger of death. I'm really not a \"free and easy with baptism or not\" kinda gal... but I know that it is the parents who reject satan, and all his empty promises, and the glamour of evil, etc... on their child's behalf.",
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"text": "Jody, they did it to taunt TAC grads who they secretly know are holier and wiser than they are.",
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"text": "11 This catechism aims at presenting an organic synthesis of the essential and fundamental contents of Catholic doctrine, as regards both faith and morals, in the light of the Second Vatican Council and the whole of the Church's Tradition. Its principal sources are the Sacred Scriptures, the Fathers of the Church, the liturgy, and the Church's Magisterium. It is intended to serve \"as a point of reference for the catechisms or compendia that are composed in the various countries\".15\n12 This work is intended primarily for those responsible for catechesis: first of all the bishops, as teachers of the faith and pastors of the Church. It is offered to them as an instrument in fulfilling their responsibility of teaching the People of God. Through the bishops, it is addressed to redactors of catechisms, to priests, and to catechists. It will also be useful reading for all other Christian faithful.",
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"text": "Also find the part which says it should be considered the \"norm\"...",
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"text": "Aaron, I don't profess to be holier or wiser than anyone (except Hitler)",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "I knoooooooowwwwwww.",
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"text": "Oh. I thought that was a shot across my bow",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I am a displaced medieval. The Trent Catechism speaks better to my unupdated mode of thinking.",
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"text": "But the Church is a living, breathing thing. One must be with the current flow of grace.",
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"text": "Pope John Paul II ordered the publication of the Catechism by the Apostolic Constitution, Fidei Depositum, on October 11, 1992. An apostolic constitution is a most solemn form by which popes promulgate official Church documents. The new Code of Canon Law, for example, was promulgated by the Apostolic Constitution, Sacrae Disciplinae Leges. In Fidei Depositum, Pope John Paul II said, \"The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved June 25th last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church's faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition, and the Church's Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion.\" John Paul II also stated that the Catechism \"is given as a sure and authentic reference text for teaching Catholic doctrine.\"",
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"text": "This thread couldn't have gotten this far without a little of both (goofing off and seriousness)",
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"text": "Peace out all y'alll",
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"text": "What is the longest break between comments ever on TNET? Is there a TNET archivist who can look this up?",
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"text": "I worry if it goes over 1 hour.",
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"text": "I'm 5,000 comments behind.",
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"text": "So how many points is Michigan going to beat Notre Dame by tomorrow night?",
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"text": "The CCC was written to present \"an organic synthesis of the essential and fundamental contents of Catholic doctrine, as regards both faith and morals, in the light of the Second Vatican Council and the whole of the Church's Tradition.\"",
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"text": "Just started the Trent Catechism 3 months ago. Aint anathemized. And it does have more in it . Are you suggesting it is in error?",
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"text": "I think eighteen hours, Aaron (at least, that was the longest before 9,000)",
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"text": "Above all, the CCC was published in support of the Pastoral principle of Charity: \"The whole concern of doctrine and its teaching must be directed to the love that never ends. Whether something is proposed for belief, for hope or for action, the love of our Lord must always be made accessible, so that anyone can see that all the works of perfect Christian virtue spring from love and have no other objective than to arrive at love.\"",
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"text": "By what authority was it promulgated, John?",
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"text": "I do not think ensoulment is a doctrine of the Faith.",
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"text": "Has anyone read the Trent Catechism?",
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"text": "I've referred to it before, but I haven't read it",
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"text": "Parts of it. I recall it has something of the same structure as the CCC, the Credo, virtues, sacraments, etc... but I could be wrong.",
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"text": "Delving into dogmatic theology I find is more satisfying than the Catechism, to my mind. It ties in philosophy and in a sense shows you the mind of the Church.",
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"text": "Good night.",
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"text": "Daniel p. O'Connell we don't allow that kind of blasphemy on this page. Only the Catholic kind of blasphemy... No gold & blue blaspheming...",
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"text": "Hail to the Victors!!!!",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/ZsHbCfgPA1c\nMichigan vs Notre Dame \"The Last 1:41\"\nIncredible Michigan win\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I remember that bs oconnell...preeeeety generous spot off that 3&2 qb draw... Haha that was amazing....",
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"text": "Interesting book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/825788.Shi_i_Islam",
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"text": "Another interesting book: http://cuapress.cua.edu/.../books/frontmatter/TACE.pdf",
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"text": "Relevant to the ensoulment Q, one of those \u201coutrageously provocative Bolin theses:\u201d https://drive.google.com/.../0B1NKBnJwd.../edit...\nAnd Man Became a Living Being.pdf - Google Drive\nDOCS.GOOGLE.COM",
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"text": "Bolin's position is a rather extreme form of my own.",
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"text": "Thanks pe, I got through 4 pages before I couldn't press the next page button on my phone. I'll have to read it on a computer. I like his approach but I haven't reached a point where there is a clear statement that in generation whether ensoulment is necessitated by the arrangement of parts.",
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"text": "I can't believe I missed being in class with a Bolin. I think there were three there representing three different classes my Junior year....",
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"text": "(Doing awesome! John... I've been keeping track of you via my spy network)",
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"text": "I came across a copy of the monthly budget of F. Scott Fitzgerald and his wife Zelda from their Paris days. It has three interesting line items:\n1) Flowers $15\n2) Wild parties: $90\n3) Leisure: $8\nCould we plot these items on a graph to show the relationship between leisure and wild parties? Are flowers a variable? Probably not.",
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"text": "Peter Edmund, I wonder what the Dominican or Church's position is on ensoulment. It seems to me there is no Catholic doctrine on ensoulment; but there is on Conception, ie. the Immaculate Conception. Is this accurate? I also find it disturbing when human cloning is used to support the \"theory\" of ensoulment -- this seems imprudent because it cites unethical science (human cloning) to support a theory and, in so doing, serves as a kind of support for unethical human cloning.",
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"text": "Scott, it isn't support for unethical science, more than a recognition that unethical science exists and forces us to reconsider the metaphysical implications of the physical world around us, in this case re: fertilization. \nI don't think any Catholic on this thread would deny the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, but the Church in her wisdom hasn't set exact dates/times because this is a spiritual dogma, not one of biology",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I am not sure if you had the chance to see the previous citation on human cloning posted by Edward Langley, but the gist of the article was that a natural identical twin and a human clone were the same thing. Do you think this citation, and the way it was presented, forced consideration of metaphysical implcations of \"fertilization\" or had any bearing on the discussion, or would you regard it as contentious? Thomas often cites unethical claims, but to refute them in classical dialectic context. \nI am not sure how capable some TAC alum are of discussing these issues. \nThe Dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that the Blessed Virgin Mary, from \"the first **moment** of her conception...\" Hence, there does clearly seem to be a direct reference to time in the Dogma.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger--Here at long last is a response to your fascinating posts on Virgil many days ago. (I apologize for taking so long to comment, but the start of school has kept me away from the Great Thread.)\nYou asked the following questions about Aeneas' sacrifice of Turnus: \"Is he sacrificing to Pallas or rather sacrificing in Pallas' name to Pallas' FATHER and to that patria of Pallas that might have been or perhaps rather to Aeneas' future patria, Rome that will become?\" I would agree with the last two suggestions, and especially with what you state immediately after your series of questions: \"To put it precisely, Aeneas acting as Pallas is sacrificing in Roman custom Turnus, prince captive and chief spoil, to his father and the fatherland.\" But you and I would appear to differ concerning the justice of this sacrifice. I think Virgil wholeheartedly approves of it, whereas you argue that he may have had grave reservations.\nConcerning the phrase that describes Aeneas' founding act, the planting of his sword in Turnus (ferrum adverso sub pectore condi), we both agree, I think, that it refers to the opening lines \u201cdum conderet urbem\u201d and Aeneas' duty to found Rome. But why sub pectore? There is a line in the last book of the Aeneid that may help make sense of this. When Virgil presents us with the alternating scenes of Turnus' and Aeneas' deeds (XII 675, 707), which culminate in their fateful meeting, Virgil recounts the death of Rutulian Sucro, who is killed when Aeneas \"plunges his naked sword there where the end is quickest: right through the ribs, the grating of the chest\" (XII 683-685). Virgil had earlier in Book X described Aeneas' killing of Liger as follows: \"Then with his sword, he opened Liger's breast, in which the spirit has its hiding place\" (X 826-827). Hence, Aeneaus gives Turnus the quickest death, suggesting it is not about personal revenge driven by wrath. Remember, too, that Aeneas is employing what Virgil has earlier called \"the sword that deals out fate\" (VIII 804). Given Virgil's reference to the place where the spirit hides, I would agree with your suggestion that Aeneas is also slaying the spirit of Turnus, though you and I may disagree about what that spirit is.\nCertainly Aeneas' anger is intense when he slays Turnus, but it seems to me to be Virgil's depiction of the pious anger that accompanied Rome's founding. The anger, we both agree, comes upon Aeneas when he sees the belt of Pallas. Here I think your analysis is missing a key component. Depicted on the belt of Pallas is not the slaughter of just any fifty youths. The crucial passage that reveals the identity of these youths comes from Book II when the fall of Troy is recounted: \"And I myself saw Neoptolemus, insane with blood, and both of Atreus' sons upon the threshold. I saw Hecuba together with her hundred daughters, and among the altars I could see King Priam, polluting with his blood the fires he himself had hallowed. And the fifty bridal chambers that had such hopes of sons of sons, the doors that once had stood so proud with booty and with barbaric gold lie on the ground. What fire cannot do, the Danaans can\" (II 669-679). The fifty youths depicted on the belt of Pallas are the future of Troy, that is, the future of Rome. And note that it is the son of Achilles, Neoptolemus, who commits this outrage and who is later resurrected as Turnus himself, the new Achilles, who hubristically bears on his very person this horror of horrors as a trophy of war. For Virgil, the personal glory of Achilles, such as is was, reaches its nadir in the evil act of his son, who, but for the will of Jupiter, would have ended Rome before it began. Roman clemency, which you rightly point out is advocated by Aeneas' father as the future policy of Roman expansion, cannot be exercised here toward Turnus whose wearing of this belt signifies all that would stand in the way of Jupiter's plan to establish the right order of eternal Rome. \nThat is all I can address for now, but hopefully some of the above will be worth your consideration.",
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"text": "In other words, I do not think St. Thomas would have cited unethical research on human cloning to score a cheap contentious point for Aristotle's flawed view of \"ensoulment\"; though Thomas and the Dominicans did deny the Immaculate Conception because of their doctrine of ensoulment.",
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"text": "Out of faith, science?\nI would not use the wording of dogma of the IM to ignore the topic of discussion.",
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"text": "I know you do not like dogma at TAC, but that is sophistry, which leads to a corruption of faith and science. I introduced the topic, Mr. Neill, as the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, because it is worthy of contemplation; not so that others would bring up human cloning to support the claim that ensoulment is scientific. Is it also not true that Thomas erred in this Dogma due to his adherence to Aristotle's notion of ensoulment.",
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"text": "Thanks. Jeffrey. That is helpful. Interesting that the depiction is not clear. I will certainly concede that the poet is at least ambiguous. Still can't detach it as a foreshadowing of Romulus. Thanks again.",
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"text": "Bolins do have an elegant manner of asserting provocative topics, who are we to refuse discussion?",
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"text": "Scott, that cloning and twinning involve similar biological processes doesn't necessitate that they be ethically identical: as I mentioned earlier there is little to no difference biologically between normal generation and IVF, but that doesn't justify the latter.",
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"text": "That reference makes more sense.",
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"text": "Ed, you were using human cloning to support ensoulment which is a cheap contention. Plus, no one knows human cloning and identical \"twinning\" are the same. In fact, \"twinning\" is a flawed notion which implies one is twined from another. So, you do not know what you are talking about.",
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"text": "^This argument doesn't follow.",
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"text": "And Scott, your arguments here are inappropriate to the dignity of church doctrine: in a hundred years, people who argue like you might be cited as \"the second Galileo affair\"",
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"text": "Unless I am missing several premises.",
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"text": "^Not helpful.",
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"text": "Whatever you say, Daniel. Talk to you sophists and gnostics later.",
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"text": "Which argument, Daniel?",
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"text": "Scott's argument that concluded with you not knowing what you are talking about doesn't follow.",
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"text": "Your contention that he should be associated with something like \"the second Galileo affair\" isn't helpful.",
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"text": "I am interested in knowing why this would be the case: \"Plus, no one knows human cloning and identical \"twinning\" are the same. In fact, \"twinning\" is a flawed notion which implies one is twined from another.\"\nWhy don't we know this.",
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"text": "Pardon me if I am a victim of 'pop science.\"",
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"text": "This seems like a reasonable argument to me, Edward: \"that cloning and twinning involve similar biological processes doesn't necessitate that they be ethically identical: as I mentioned earlier there is little to no difference biologically between normal generation and IVF, but that doesn't justify the latter.\"",
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"text": "I think it is. St. Thomas always is concerned about the irrisio infidelium and Augustine shows us how important it is to show the complementarity of doctrine and natural science.",
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"text": "It sounds like you are supporting Aristotle's theory of ensoulment because human clones and identical twins are the same. This is laughable.\nFacts are stubborn things.\nFACT: Mary was free from Original Sin -- body and soul -- from the *moment* of her conception.\nFACT: Thomas opposed this dogma because of Aristotle's notion of ensoulment.",
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"text": "Cell division, replication and twinning are surprisingly similar. When one results in more cells vs. separate being is a wonderful topic for study.",
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"text": "I am not sure that that account of Thomas' rejection of the IC is sufficient. But let it be, for now. \nRegardless, does the Church's account of conception necessarily align with a biological definition?",
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"text": "FACT: Mary was free from Original Sin from the moment of her conception. In her soul, not body.\nFACT: calling something laughable isn't reasoning",
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"text": "O, Mary, conceived without soul, pray for us who have recourse to thee.",
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"text": "Scott, are you being intentionally obtuse?",
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"text": "Isn't the definition of conception something worth considering?",
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"text": "Mr. Beitia, I cannot imagine that even you would claim in jest that Mary, Mother of God, was Immaculately Conceived only in her soul, but not Her body. If this is what you are claiming, you are in error, and I sincerely urge you, in good faith, as a brother in Our Lord, to seek counsel from a holy priest on this matter.",
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"text": "Only the soul suffered in the fall, not the body.",
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"text": "^Not true.",
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"text": "I tried, Daniel. I wrote something to the effect that fertilization is the biological act whereby the two gametes become one \"thing\" whereas conception is the activity of God in each human's particular creation",
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"text": "Scott is right to say that the effects of original sin affected both soul and body.",
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"text": "Why?",
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"text": "Nope, just the soul",
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"text": "http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Immaculate Conception\nIn the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary 'in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt\u2026\nNEWADVENT.ORG",
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"text": "Because persons sin, not souls.",
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"text": "Prayer of the Novena of the Immaculate Conception\nImmaculate Virgin Mary, you were pleasing in the sight of God from the first moment of your conception in the womb of your mother, St. Anne. You were chose to be the mother of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. I believe the teaching of holy Mother the Church, that in the first instant of your conception, by the singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human and beloved Son, you were preserved from all stain of original sin. I thank God for this wonderful privilege and grace he bestowed upon you as I honor your Immaculate Conception.\nLook graciously upon me as I implore this special favor: (mention your request).\nVirgin Immaculate, Mother of God and my Mother, from your throne in heaven turn your eyes of pity upon me. Filled with confidence in your goodness and power, I beg you to help me in this journey of life which is so full of dangers for my soul. I entrust myself entirely to you, that I may never be the slave of the devil through sin, but may always live a humble and pure life. I consecrate myself to you forever, for my only desire is to love your divine Son Jesus. Mary, since none of your devout servants has perished, May I too be saved. Amen.",
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"text": "Jeff, then why do you die?",
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"text": "Spiritually or physically?",
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"text": "Wait - pardon me?\nHow do you account for the Blessed Virgin's perpetual virginity (before, during, after Christ's birth) and miraculous birth if sin somehow tainted her body?",
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"text": "No Samantha. It is a necessary sign to show that the Incarnation was entirely God's initiative. You are reading some 21st century angst into this. \"Mary\u2019s virginity manifests God\u2019s absolute initiative in the Incarnation. Jesus has only God as Father. \u201cHe was never estranged from the Father because of the human nature which he assumed.\u2026 He is naturally Son of the Father as to his divinity and naturally son of his mother as to his humanity, but properly Son of the Father in both natures.\u201d\nCatholic Church. (2000). Catechism of the Catholic Church (2nd Ed., p. 127). Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference.",
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"text": "and then you read my disagreement ahistorically. jerk",
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"text": "In what way is the story of Adam and Eve mythical? In what way is the story of Evolution a foundational myth?",
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"text": "\"Quia igitur virginitas dicitur per remotionem praedictae corruptionis, consequens est quod integritas membri corporalis per accidens se habeat ad virginitatem. Ipsa autem immunitas a delectatione quae consistit in seminis resolutione, se habet materialiter. Ipsum autem propositum perpetuo abstinendi a tali delectatione se habet formaliter et completive in virginitate.\"",
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"text": "Please don't use the word \"myth\". Modernists use it to question the historical veracity of creation and the fall.\nThere are three ways to look at Genesis:\nFundamentalist interpretation: historical and literal. \nCatholic interpretation: historical but symbolic rather than literal. \nModernist interpretation: nonhistorical and nonliteral.",
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"text": "(note _per accidens_ doesn't mean \"unrelated\" but means \"not essential\".)",
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"text": "ST II\u00aa-IIae, q. 152 a. 1 ad 2: \"Ad secundum dicendum quod pudicitia est quidem essentialiter in anima, materialiter autem in carne, et similiter virginitas. Unde Augustinus dicit, in libro de Virginit., quod licet virginitas in carne servetur, ac per hoc corporalis sit, tamen spiritualis est quam vovet et servat continentia pietatis.\"",
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"text": "What is mythos? What parts are mythical? Is it possibly nonmythical: can it be explained as historical and allegorical? Why is that an impossibility? Is that what Marie means?",
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"text": "written before Marie posted. But people mean these terms different ways.",
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"text": "It is historical and allegorical. That is the authoritative teaching of the Magisterium. These events: creation of human beings in the image of God, male and female, temptation, the original sin, the Fall, the curse of the Fall, the protoevangelium - all took place at a moment in human history - but the language describing these events (a tree... fruit... a serpent) are allegorical ways of expressing what actually happened.",
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"text": "I cannot read Genesis as creation myths. It is much unlike the other myths. Even with what modern science knows it can be understood historical. None can prove that men did not live so long. Much of paleontology is . . . . .problematic",
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"text": "The biggest problem with interpreting Genesis as a strict history. is that there are two different orders of creation listed. That, and Augustine never treats it as a strict history.",
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"text": "What does \"strict\" history mean?",
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"text": "I take the tree as historical and symbolic as well. The fruit too. We are such literalist that we cant imagind that God can use real things as symbols. . . .",
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"text": "The catechism says that the tree represents the limits of man as a creature - limits he/she is not meant to transgress.",
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"text": "Augustine was speculating. He said so, no?",
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"text": "Sure, but he is basically the master of Western biblical interpretation.",
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"text": "I still don't know what \"strict\" history means. If we are talking \"7 24 hour periods\" then certainly it is not \"strict\". As I said before, the sun is not created until the 4th day.\nRead Scott Hahn's explanation of the 1st creation account - realms and rulers, building the temple of the universe. Ratzinger's commentary on Genesis \"In the Beginning...\" is also excellent.",
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"text": "Augustine wrote three works titled \"on the literal interpretation of genesis\" once early in life, mid and late life, all end with figurative reading necessary. But the real topic is to discuss biology and physics pre-fall, my understanding is the world is the same and the nature of the soul changed.",
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"text": "But, that's not sufficient: the first creation account makes man last but the second creation account has man made first and all the creatures made and brought to him to be named.",
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"text": "So, even if all \"strict history\" means is \"gets the order right\", which order is correct is a matter of interpretation.",
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"text": "Therefore both cannot be literal",
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"text": "It doesn't matter much since paleontology can fill the gaps of knowledge",
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"text": "The two different creation accounts are emphasizing different things.\nFirst account speaks of the temple of creation, with worship as the goal in day 7. Man is the finale - the high point. Second account deals with creation, male and female, the fall.... both contain truths - but different truths about different things.",
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"text": "Correct.",
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"text": "I don't quite agree with Hahn. Parts don't seem literal and that is fine. But the tree is connected to the cross perhaps literally.",
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"text": "Have you read Hahn?",
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"text": "I think my account of myth has been around a lot longer than the modern notion.",
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"text": "missed it DL. Sorry.",
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"text": "http://www.scotthahn.com/download/attachment/3350\nThis is not Hahn himself, but we used this text.",
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"text": "\"If by myth one means a story that is meant to explain things that are beyond human experience or understanding, using figures and images in order to explain the current state of things, then yes it is in the genre of myth.\"\\",
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"text": "But that is a big \"if\" - and not how the term is commonly used by biblical scholars.",
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"text": "I also believe that mans rational nature is to be naked and habit (clothing) is essential to the works of a rational creature. Thus the 10th category is preserved prior to the fall",
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"text": "Let me suggest that God wrote Genesis in a mode that is easy for all men to grasp. That no man could grasp the how as is pointed out in Job and elsewhere. I dont buy the primitive man myth.",
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"text": "Perhaps Biblical scholars who are inappropriately utilizing a historical critical hermeneutic...",
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"text": "^That is not a fair argument.",
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"text": "I like that def. DL. And read too hasty.",
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"text": "My recent status also applies to The Never Ending Thread. \nWithout TNET, like marriage, one is lonely. With TNET, like marriage, one is annoyed.",
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"text": "I don't know any good Biblical scholars who would use the word \"myth\" when interpreting Genesis.",
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"text": "Maybe... but I haven't read any of your work, so I don't know.",
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"text": "I hope you think this is apropos: I don't think we should ever approach the sacred Text as a work of literature. There's too much reverence lost as soon as you start dividing the Text by genre and literary tradition. That's just my thought.",
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"text": "I'm not trying to make an ad hominem argument. I just think using \"myth\" in this climate is extraordinarily unwise. You may disagree. That's fine.",
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"text": "The account of myth that I gave above is very much inspired by research that I have done in this area. Jacques Maritain gives a good account of the use of myth in his \"Degrees of Knowledge.\"",
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"text": "Dr. Peterson, I'm getting wife heat for spending time on this thread... Do you have anything you can prescribe?",
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"text": "Vincent, I think when approaching the Scriptures we must remember that it is the Word of God and word of man.",
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"text": "Vincent Terreri - your point is well taken. The Primary Author in the Holy Spirit - the Spirit of Truth. The literary styles of the secondary, inspired human authors are important, though, I think - because Magisterial teaching says so, and we must discern the literal meaning before the spiritual... but often, genres are used to try to undermine inerrancy and inspiration.",
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"text": "But to be fair DL, many scholars even do not mean by myth what you mean. A different word than mythos might be more fitting.",
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"text": "Perhaps, John, but I have not found it.",
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"text": "15,014 not bad guys (and gals).",
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"text": "The main thing to keep in mind is that we read Scripture as a Canonical whole with one Primary Author. That is where typology comes in to play. Otherwise, typology would be impossible. But awareness of genres is helpful because we are not fundamentalists.",
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"text": "And it is the Primary Author who inspires the human authors to write everything He wanted written and nothing more. (According to Dei Verbum)",
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"text": "Signing off, folks. Thank you for the interesting discussion. God bless.",
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"text": "Jeff Neill: take long breaks from TNET and make sure she knows it.\nThen return. Rinse. Repeat. Your experience will be more satisfying and you will keep the heat off.\nHave faith that TNET will still be here and you will be rewarded for that faith. \nJust remember to tag others into TNET each time you visit. Go forth and multiply.",
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"text": "What sort of fundies are y'all? No such thing? A century and a half of thousands of scientific conspirators? Set species just poofed into existence and don't change into other species ever? Young earthers too?",
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"text": "Ptolemy may have been wrong, but I wouldn't call his system a falsehood. \nI'm not sure what you think is false though: genetics, paleontology, astronomy, biology, etc.? All of the above? The very idea of evolution? Our multifaceted approach to determining the chronology of the universe? Our analysis of genetics and bones and what used to be here on the earth? Etc.",
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"text": "And the majority of scientists have never been wrong before. But the truth is many evolutionary scientists have given up on the theory. The difficulties are too great. Kolbe Creation has good work on this.",
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"text": "I find material creation unfolding over millions or billions of years into something evolutionarily more advanced to be inconceivable. It doesn't match with my experience. Things seem to devolve more than advance. And where are the half species? The ones on their way to being advanced?",
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"text": "I'm unclear as to why slow development is hard to accept while poofing specific species into existence is easy to accept. But really, I find it hard to believe anyone looking past fringe works written to the choir would not accept that our multiple methods of dating and what we've found of the past have changed our understanding of the universe, at the very least roughly speaking.",
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"text": "They are becoming less doctrinaire and moving into much more interesting territory that increasingly tends to stop short of the old, asinine \"evolution contradicts teleology\" routine, however. And they are looking into much more interesting territory that transcends ye olde natural selection.",
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"text": "I was shocked and scandalized by Warren Murray's take on it (God just decided to infuse a human soul into the fetus of an ape). But was surprised to hear that most tutors on campus find that to be a good theory. Seriously? Even if Genesis isn't literal, that isn't even in the spirit of the story.",
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"text": "I did not say birth before the Fall was like light through a window. It would have been natural, but painless. Natural because Adam would have been the father.\nWhen God is the Father, however, Mary's physical integrity is an important sign of the Incarnation being entirely the work of God.",
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"text": "Thus rationality requires that man be naked and act to clothe himself. (Whether or not the fall) since rationality necessitates imperfection of form and perfection to be situational to the work of reason. Thus the hammer is part of the man as an extension of his being.",
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"text": "Man gave names to all the tools in his tool belt?",
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"text": "For the record: I did not claim physical integrity (virginity) had moral significance. Samantha said I was implying it re: the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin - and I claimed her suggestion was rooted in 21st century angst.",
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"text": "Scott, where did that come from? and how is it relevant to anything I said?",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-WPlvZguZ4\nWhat in God's holy name are you blathering about?\nNew shit has come to light ...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "A broken hymen is not a moral issue, Michael.",
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"text": "Blather is also word that should be used more frequently. No, I meant slather, as in TX BBQ sauce.",
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"text": "UST?",
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"text": "with the Center for Thomistic Studies.",
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"text": "yeag.",
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"text": "Beitia, are you from Idaho?",
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"text": "So the belief of Mary not suffering child birth pains is an interpretation of genesis as literal mixed with the belief of an intact hymen to a light through the window analogy? Is it not possible to not have an intact hymen and still be a Virgin?",
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"text": "Edit: It is possible to not have an intact hymen and still be a Virgin. (Your question was phrased oddly.)",
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"text": "I don't know re. the 1st. The answer to the 2nd is yes. The additional answer is that Mary's bodily integrity is dogmatically defined.",
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"text": "Nowhere on this page does it say \"not experience pain\". http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15448a.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Virgin Birth of Christ\nThe dogma which teaches that the Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ was a virgin before, during, and after the conception and birth of her Divine Son\nNEWADVENT.ORG",
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"text": "Also while Mary \"does not know man\" before or after that does not exclude suffering.",
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"text": "Or natural child birth.",
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"text": "If you move to Kansas City, live in Johnson County Kansas. Low taxes. Good services. Awesome Bishop. Diocese growing. Governor is Good Roman Catholic. Pro-life.",
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"text": "I think New Advent prints some things sometimes which are not perfectly true.",
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"text": "Yeah, I'm pretty sure the \"painless birth\" part is just a pious tradition.",
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"text": "However, when St. Thomas gives counterexamples to the proposition that two bodies cannot be in one place, he generally gives Christ walking through the door after his Resurrection and the Virgin Birth.",
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"text": "(not to denigrate pious traditions, BTW)",
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"text": "Mary is Theotokos,\nMother of God,\nImmaculate Conception,\nSeat of Wisdom,\nMorning Star...\nSing her praises!",
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"text": "Here's a partial quote of Ott on the question:",
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"text": "\"Mary bore her Son without any violation\nof her virginal integrity. (De fide on the\nground of the general promulgation of\ndoctrine.)\nThe dogma merely asserts the fact of the\ncontinuance of Mary\u2019s physical virginity without\ndetermining more closely how this is to be\nphysiologically explained. In general the Fathers\nand the Schoolmen conceived it as non-injury to\nthe hymen, and accordingly taught that Mary\ngave birth in miraculous fashion without\nopening of the womb and injury to the hymen,\nand consequently also without pains (cf. S. th.\nIII 28, 2).\nHowever, according to modern natural scientific\nknowledge, the purely physical side of virginity\nconsists in the non-fulfilment of the sex act\n(\u201csex-act virginity\u201d) and in the non-contact of\nthe female egg by the male seed (\"seed-act\nvirginity\u201d) (A. Mitterer). Thus, injury to the\nhymen in birth does not destroy virginity, while,\non the other hand, its rupture seems to belong to\ncomplete natural motherhood. It follows from\nthis that from the concept of virginity alone the\nmiraculous character of the process of birth\ncannot be inferred, if it cannot be, and must not\nbe derived from other facts of Revelation.\"",
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"text": "Revelation 12 \n12 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:\n2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.\n3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:\n4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.\n5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.\n6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.\n7 And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels:\n8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.\n9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.\n10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.\n11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death.\n12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth, and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.\n13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman, who brought forth the man child:\n14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.\n15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.\n16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth.\n17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.\n18 And he stood upon the sand of the sea.",
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"text": "Ott is cited here in greater length: http://www.pford.stjohnsem.edu/.../20%20mchugh%20and... but I think the first part of the letter endorses a heresy (it seems to me that it implies that Mary didn't need the Passion for salvation). Joshua Kenz would know better.",
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"text": "When Mary travelled to visit her cousin Elizabeth, her footprints left in the soil were in the shape of lillies of the valley, as it is stated in pious medieval manuscripts; and during the Flight into Egypt, legend tells how the Holy Family was waylayed by robbers who stole Mary's purse only to find, after they had run away, it was filled with marygolds. Repentant, they returned only to find the marygolds hade been turned again into real gold whereupon they converted and worshipped the Lord.",
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"text": "Scott, be rational and explain the relevance.",
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"text": "In Sicily, it is told that the Madonna's Juniper Bush opened its branches to shelter the Holy Family when Herod's pursuing soldiers drew near them as they fled to Egypt. The rosemary bush and clematis were also said to have sheltered the Holy Family during the flight into Egypt. The rosemary's fragrance arose after Mary hung her linens to dry on its branches.",
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"text": "Someone is asking to be blocked.",
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"text": "The alabaster white snowdrop became a symbol of Mary's purity and was called the Flower of Purification because it bloomed on February 2, the Feast of the Purification of Mary. In Italy and other countries in Europe the statue of Mary was removed from the altar on that day and snowdrops were strewn in its place. This day was also the feast of the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple. The flowers were called Candlemas Bells after the ceremony of blessing the candles began late in the eighth century and February 2 also became known as Candlemas Day.",
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"text": "Veneration of Mary is highly relevant.",
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"text": "I just work up, and still have a lot to catch up. But her are somethings\n1. Samantha Cohoe. The difference in ensoulment is that God does not pre-create the soul and \"stuff it\" in the zygote. Rather the soul is created with the conception of the human person, and, in the order of nature, it is posterior to it, though it may be simultaneous in time. The soul really is not something just crammed into the process. It is a term of generation. But if multiple souls are in that zygote, then we must abandon that view and view ensoulment as something wholly incidental to human conception, to natural processes.\n2. Edward Langley and Joel HF. This seems a fair treatment of the question of the desire to know God. http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/reality.htm#08\n3. Thesis, is Scott's ideas of ensoulment are correct, original sin cannot be. Even with St. Thomas the argument for how original sin is inherited is extremely difficult. This problem made Augustine waver between creationism and transducianism. The \"ensoulment\" cannot be something so extrinsic to the natural process of generation, which must precede it.\nReginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O. P.\nWe give here the chief characteristics of the knowledge creatures may have of God: first by the beatific vision; secondly by the analogical knowledge we must be content with here below.\nEWTN.COM",
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"text": "On the Marian issues, and the stupidity of citing Ott without actually citing him (seriously, supposed lists of dogmata without his actual text, explanations, citations?) I will have to comment later on",
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"text": "It is impossible to reduce sacred dogma to rational debate and certain rational conclusion. It can only be understood as a reasonable mystery.",
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"text": "it is important to understand, however",
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"text": "Yes, but the way to understanding the sacred is not the same as natural science. The understanding of the sacred is a reasonable mystery, and it certainly admits of pious myth and literary tradition, which to many seems more appropriate than the physiological descriptions of Ott.",
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"text": "Marie's talk about the \"physical integrity\" of Mary makes me nauseous.",
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"text": "And thanks for the Thomas, Ed. He puts it well.",
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"text": "I fail completely to see how Mary's hymen staying intact through childbirth is in any way relevant to anything theological, including that the Incarnation is entirely the work of God.",
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"text": "Have you guys figured out amongst yourselves whether that weirdness is actually dogma?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, I think I actually cited him: I gave the original source which included the page numbers and a longer quotation.",
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"text": "Seemed like you were leaning toward \"no.\"",
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"text": "I think the reason for the intact hymen, according to Marie, was to be a sign that the conception of Christ was entirely supernatural.",
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"text": "Ott (who is not the final word, but is a good reference point) was quoted above, and it leans towards no. But basically whatever \"physical virginity\" entails, that must be affirmed of Mary at all times.",
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"text": "Any old random weird miracle would fit the bill just as well, I think.",
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"text": "But, I don't really know what is included under the dogma, and things the others said gives me pause.",
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"text": "this is Piux IX, in defining the dogma, but I don't know if it helps:\nAs if these splendid eulogies and tributes were not sufficient, the Fathers proclaimed with particular and definite statements that when one treats of sin, the holy Virgin Mary is not even to be mentioned; for to her more grace was given than was necessary to conquer sin completely.[24] They also declared that the most glorious Virgin was Reparatrix of the first parents, the giver of life to posterity; that she was chosen before the ages, prepared for himself by the Most High, foretold by God when he said to the serpent, \"I will put enmities between you and the woman.\"[25]-unmistakable evidence that she was crushed the poisonous head of the serpent. And hence they affirmed that the Blessed Virgin was, through grace, entirely free from every stain of sin, and from all corruption of body, soul and mind; that she was always united with God and joined to him by an eternal covenant; that she was never in darkness but always in light; and that, therefore, she was entirely a fit habitation for Christ, not because of the state of her body, but because of her original grace.",
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"text": "Does circumcision as the sign of the Covenant in the Old Testament make you nauseous, Samantha?",
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"text": "followed by St. JPII:\nHer virginity \"during and after giving birth\", although implicit in the title virgin already attributed to Mary from the Church's earliest days, became the object of deep doctrinal study since some began explicitly to cast doubts on it. Pope St Hormisdas explains that \"the Son of God became Son of man, born in time in the manner of a man, opening his mother's womb to birth [cf. Lk 2:23] and, through God's power, not dissolving his mother's virginity\" (DS 368). This doctrine was confirmed by the Second Vatican Council, which states that the firstborn Son of Mary \"did not diminish his Mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it\" (Lumen gentium, n. 57). As regards her virginity after the birth, it must first of all be pointed out that there are no reasons for thinking that the will to remain a virgin, which Mary expressed at the moment of the Annunciation (cf. Lk 1:34) was then changed. Moreover, the immediate meaning of the words: \"Woman, behold, your son!\", \"Behold, your mother\" (Jn 19:26), which Jesus addressed to Mary and to his favourite disciple from the Cross, imply that Mary had no other children.",
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"text": "The intact hymen is a particularly fitting miracle in two ways: (a) it nearly completely rules out sexual intercourse in the generation of Christ. and (b) it makes it so that Christ's birth involves a miracle only possible by the power of God: making two bodies be in the same place.",
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"text": "JP II is always good and Ed you are being vulgar, profane and raining on the parade of sacred mystery.",
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"text": "No more so than Aquinas in discussing these matters, Mr. Weinberg.",
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"text": "but neither pope speaks specifically to the question of physical \"intact-ness\", so I suppose it really doesn't matter",
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"text": "I don't see the vulgarity, but more an examination of all possibilities.",
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"text": "Marie, nope. the case it not analogous",
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"text": "You are not Aquinas, Mr. Langley, and you are way out of context.",
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"text": "So only the female body nauseates you?",
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"text": "Nope, we're talking about the virgin birth and part of the tradition is bodily integrity.",
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"text": "Ed, those \"fittingness\" arguments are weak.",
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"text": "Samantha, never said they weren't",
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"text": "can we go back to what we know?\n1 perpetual virginity\n2 free from sin from the moment the soul was put into the body",
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"text": "The female body does not nauseate me. People thinking that natural childbirth is a violation of \"physical integrity\" do.",
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"text": "But these details are subject to the will of God, so we won't have anything more than such arguments in these matters.",
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"text": "Are you still holding that the Immaculate Conception was not immaculate in Her body, Mr. Beitia?",
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"text": "What does that mean, Papa Weinberg?",
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"text": "^^ does anyone know what Scott is talking about?",
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"text": "No, I was merely disagreeing that conception is the same as fertilization, as I have said",
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"text": "But cutting off a foreskin is fine with you?",
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"text": "as Pius IX seems to agree with me",
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"text": "What is the parallel you are attempting to draw?",
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"text": "So, Mr. Beitia, you do hold that Mary was immaculate only in soul but not body. I just want to know your position before backing out of this obscene conversation. To hell with you.",
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"text": "The point is this: giving birth to the Son of God is not \"natural childbirth\". It is supernatural childbirth. That it would occur in an extraordinary way to highlight that point is not in any way denigrating to natural maternity.\nI think your nausea is rooted in the fact that you see it as some kind of sexist thing - which is why I refer to 21st century angst.",
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"text": "\"Nauseous\" is a pretty strong, bordering on dysfunctional, term to use",
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"text": "here's what the Holy Father Pius IX wrote:\nNow inasmuch as whatever pertains to sacred worship is intimately connected with its object and cannot have either consistency or durability if this object is vague or uncertain, our predecessors, the Roman Pontiffs, therefore, while directing all their efforts toward an increase of the devotion to the conception, made it their aim not only to emphasize the object with the utmost zeal, but also to enunciate the exact doctrine.[6] Definitely and clearly they taught that the feast was held in honor of the conception of the Virgin. They denounced as false and absolutely foreign to the mind of the Church the opinion of those who held and affirmed that it was not the conception of the Virgin but her sanctification that was honored by the Church. They never thought that greater leniency should be extended toward those who, attempting to disprove the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin, devised a distinction between the first and second instance of conception and inferred that the conception which the Church celebrates was not that of the first instance of conception but the second. In fact, they held it was their duty not only to uphold and defend with all their power the Feast of the Conception of the Blessed Virgin but also to assert that the true object of this veneration was her conception considered in its first instant. Hence the words of one of our predecessors, Alexander VII, who authoritatively and decisively declared the mind of the Church: \"Concerning the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, ancient indeed is that devotion of the faithful based on the belief that her soul, in the first instant of its creation and in the first instant of the soul's infusion into the body, was, by a special grace and privilege of God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, her Son and the Redeemer of the human race, preserved free from all stain of original sin. And in this sense have the faithful ever solemnized and celebrated the Feast of the Conception.\"[7]",
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"text": "I draw attention to the \"first instant of the soul's infusion into the body\"",
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"text": "which suggests the existence of some thing (body) for the soul to be infused into",
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"text": "now of course, you can hold that fertilization is contemporary with conception, and that's cool, I'm suggesting that one is the biological act and the other is a metaphysical act, only possible by the divine will",
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"text": "and potentially separable in time",
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"text": "I think the separability in time is a necessary consequence of the rational soul not being generable by any power besides God's: the generative faculty has to have a proportionate object of itself for it to be an instrument of the generation of the person and that proportionate object cannot be the rational soul.",
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"text": "(the principle is that every instrument has an effect it produces by its own nature)",
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"text": "as well as an effect it produces by the power of the principal agent.",
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"text": "I tend to agree, but I'm not wedded to the idea. I fail to see where I have contradicted any teaching of the Church that justifies a \"go to hell\"",
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"text": "Marie-- let's recap. You claimed that it is dogma to hold that Mary remained \"physically intact\" through childbirth. All the actual quotes that have been produced from actual dogma affirm no such thing, but rather talk about Mary's perpetual virginity and incorruptibility. So, unless you want to claim that an intact hymen is necessary to virginity, or that physical childbirth is a corruption of the body, then you were just wrong about your original claim.",
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"text": "I said \"separabilit\" not \"actual separation\", just to be clear.",
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"text": "If you want to make a really weak argument about fittingness and admit it isn't dogma, or produce some actual evidence that your weird claim is dogma, then go for it.",
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"text": "you're welcome for doing the leg work",
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"text": "Yes thanks",
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"text": "someone has to dig up actual dogma for us to endlessly debate",
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"text": "First Lateran Council:\n\"If anyone does not, according to the holy Fathers, confess truly and properly that holy Mary, ever virgin and immaculate, is Mother of God, since in this latter age she conceived in true reality without human seed from the Holy Spirit, God the Word Himself, who before the ages was begotten of God the Father, and gave birth to Him without injury, her virginity remaining equally inviolate after the birth, let him be condemned.\"",
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"text": "How do you interpret \"injury\" - breaking her leg?",
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"text": "Sure.",
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"text": "Giving birth doesn't injure virginity",
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"text": "unless you want to make a weird claim about an intact hymen being essential to virginity",
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"text": "which I would find sexist.",
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"text": "part of my 21st century angst, no doubt",
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"text": "So when the Church specifically states she remained a virgin \"during\" birth, you think we need to be assured she was not having sex while she was giving birth?",
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"text": "That is absurd",
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"text": "You quoted that she remained a virgin after the birth",
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"text": "No - the teaching is before, during and after. I have quoted it at least 3 times.",
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"text": "isn't \"perpetual\" the same as before, during and after?",
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"text": "^^^ yep",
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"text": "beat me to it",
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"text": "and we all agree on that, right?",
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"text": "???? Beat you to what?",
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"text": "Weeeelll",
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"text": "Why even say \"during\"?",
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"text": "perpetual virginity, don't we all agree on that?",
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"text": "Probably. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with it if I reconvert.",
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"text": "I like to keep all this clear in my head, what I would actually have to believe, what I wouldn't",
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"text": "useful for reference",
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"text": "And I tell you what, I'd have a pretty damn hard time seeing how it was necessary to my salvation to believe that Mary's hymen was intact after she gave birth to Christ",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "This might be a bit forward, but would you mind sharing your biggest problem?",
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"text": "maybe if TNET starts showing real signs of winding down",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "\"ante partum, in partu, and post partum\" is the teaching.\nWhy bother with \"in partu\"? Who would think someone would be having sex while giving birth?",
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"text": "Natural child birth is made better by christ's participation in it.",
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"text": "I guess as to the physical intactness, I see arguments for it, as Edward and Marie have given. But I also think that the \"poof here's baby Jesus\" is a little weird. I don't think any interpretation is necessary",
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"text": "Maybe they're just being thorough",
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"text": "I still want an answer to why \"in partu\"",
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"text": "Well, do you deny it?",
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"text": "It's true even if it isn't making a very profound point",
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"text": "Maybe \"in partu\" refers to birth not violating purity?",
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"text": "I honestly don't know.",
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"text": "So, unless you want to assert that an intact hymen is an essential part of virginity, you haven't made your point",
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"text": "Anyway, isn't dogma supposed to be what is necessary to believe for salvation?",
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"text": "I think that dogmas are divided into two classes: those which are simply necessary for salvation and those which are necessary to believe for salvation only because the Church has proposed them for belief.\nI'd happily admit I'm wrong on this. But if I were wrong, I'd wonder how early Christians who denied the IC were saved if belief in the IC is necessary for salvation.",
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"text": "Did I get that right?",
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"text": "All I know is that nothing in the event that was the birth of Christ violated Mary's virginity",
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"text": "Personally, I've always been happy with perpetual \"physical virginity.\" I thought the JPII quote above (wherein he quotes VII) was good. I don't think \"physical virginity\" has been dogmatically defined.",
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"text": "no, dogma is what is always all time true.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "For the sake of going full circle, Man's rationality pre fall necessitating pain and clothing was my thesis topic. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aVvw-pusSLY\nAdventure Time - FULL CIRCLE.wmv\nFULL CIRCLE\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "^my point^",
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"text": "I think you are missing my point, Samantha. I personally would find it more concerning if giving birth was considered a violation of purity than if a physical sign was left to indicate a supernatural birth. I really don't know why this nauseates you..... but you are entitled to your nausea.",
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"text": "BTW - I still don't understand why circumcision is no problem for you...",
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"text": "Is it a problem for you? I still don't see what connection you are making.",
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"text": "And Marie, you keep arguing that virgin during childbirth has to mean her hymen wasn't torn-- which means you think a torn hymen is not compatible with virginity, which is problematic to me.",
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"text": "<<The difference in ensoulment is that God does not pre-create the soul and \"stuff it\" in the zygote. Rather the soul is created with the conception of the human person, and, in the order of nature, it is posterior to it, though it may be simultaneous in time. The soul really is not something just crammed into the process. It is a term of generation. But if multiple souls are in that zygote, then we must abandon that view and view ensoulment as something wholly incidental to human conception, to natural processes.>> But going back to this stuff, is what Mr. Kenz saying here compatible with the ensoulment view wherein the soul comes to be well after fertilization?",
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"text": "Well - I think circumcision is not part of the New Covenant for a reason....\nAnd no, no, no... you continue to miss the point. A torn hymen is not incompatible with virginity. However - if you wanted to stress the point about a supernatural conception/birth, it seems a logical way to do it, and it explains \"in partu\" better than a loss of purity through childbirth or sex during childbirth.",
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"text": "Like I said, if you want to make a weak, weird fittingness argument for Mary's intact hymen, go for it. But don't claim it's dogma, because then you're implying something completely different, given what the dogmatic statements actually say",
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"text": "As I read Mr. Kenz, it is perfectly compatible with that view, as the soul would then be the term of that generation and posterior in time, as well as in the order of nature. That doesn't mean it is posterior in time, but that would be the easy case.",
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"text": "So the embryo is just mattered being prepared until ensoulment?",
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"text": "And you want to say that \"injury\" more likely refers to a broken leg - so I will remain with the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who speak of \"light thru glass\" and you can hold your opinion. Cheers.",
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"text": "I want to say that injury to her virginity cannot refer to injury to her hymen. But yeah, enjoy your \"light thru glass\" if that makes sense to you.",
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"text": "You are very condescending, Samantha. You may not respect the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, but I do.",
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"text": "I think at this point, the most helpful resolution is to realize that neither position seems to be ruled out by the dogma.",
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"text": "If I thought you were apologizing, I would accept it.",
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"text": "If the soul is the formal cause, isn't it necessary for life and cell division? Unless man's soul changes and can said to be at one time a vegetative soul, animal soul or rational soul. Thus if it can change from lesser to greater could it not also change from greater to lesser, so that \"this person is a human vegetable\" is an accurate statement.",
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"text": "Unless there is explicit evidence as to the implications of \"physical virginity\".",
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"text": "Jeff, that's more or less Aquinas's view of generation.",
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"text": "(at least the first part)",
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"text": "Seriously, I am sorry I was condescending.",
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"text": "I don't know how much thought Aquinas gave to the \"descent\" from the rational soul. But something like that seems to happen when body parts are kept \"alive\" outside of the person and possibly in certain end-of-life circumstances.",
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"text": "And so ensoulment is part of all cell division and if so divided into two separate organisms they are two separate souls that have some relation to the prior soul causing said division.",
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"text": "The infusion of the rational soul is a special case, because the only way for an intellect to come to be is an special act of creation.",
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"text": "It seems there are three souls. One before and two after.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "But also seriously, why are Scott and I the only ones on this thread who ever get called out for being jerks?",
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"text": "(At least, according to the near-unanimous position of the Christian scholastics.",
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"text": "Scott has called me a jerk, and worse, several times.",
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"text": "But are there people without souls? (Gingers speak up. Erik Bootsma)",
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"text": "No, because \"person\" is defined by the rational soul.",
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"text": "Scott calls all of us jerks, so that doesn't count.",
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"text": "So that confirms it: Gingers are soulless.",
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"text": "And thus not persons.",
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"text": "\"But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong.\" I'm happy to go out being considered an idiot.",
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"text": "I hope I haven't been a jerk without due cause.",
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"text": "Well I didn't say that, Marie!",
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"text": "If the soul is the formal cause, isn't it necessary for life and cell division? Unless man's soul changes and can said to be at one time a vegetative soul, animal soul or rational soul. Thus if it can change from lesser to greater could it not also change from greater to lesser, so that \"this person is a human vegetable\" is an accurate statement.>>> has this been answered?",
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"text": "I basically said that the ascent is Aquinas's view, and I'm not sure about the \"descent\".",
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"text": "But that's not really an answer.",
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"text": "then the same biological organism (the fetus) is a completely different kind of being at different times",
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"text": "Would it be a being fully, on that view?",
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"text": "True, Samantha - and no offense taken. \nI teach Theology to high school students for a living. We live in a very sceptical world and it is possible to Monty Python-esque pretty much any Catholic doctrine... I try to be fair with the supernatural, that's all.",
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"text": "No.. I would say that it is always the same thing",
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"text": "I think we know pretty well biologically these days that an embryo is a self-directed biological organism from conception.",
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"text": "So, it's some kind of being",
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"text": "The various transitional beings are incomplete beings directed by their nature to a complete being, namely the human generated.",
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"text": "Sure, as are the sperm and egg. But I don't hold the delayed ensoulment view.",
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"text": "I should have said \"would be\"",
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"text": "I'm not sure which position is right, myself, but I incline to simutaneity of conception and ensoulment myself. I just think delayed ensoulment isn't as stupid as some people think it to be and that Aristotle just might be right",
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"text": "^This.",
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"text": "And that \"outdated embryology\" is, in the main, a spurious objection.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Hey, Jeff Neill, how's dinner coming along? Natives are getting restless!!!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Sounds like the spouses are coming after their spouses now.",
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"text": "Please, get your nose out of the phone and man that grill ",
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"text": "My wife has asked if instead of yelling up the stairs, I would rather she post her requests on TNET.",
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"text": "I didn't answer, too busy with TNET of course.",
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"text": "I want to see this, Joel.",
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"text": "Just as long as no one tags Catherine Joliat Feil",
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"text": "D'OH!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Is Catherine Joliat Feil a lurker? Or just too good for us?",
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"text": "Liz Neill, the chicken is flipped and sauced... I'll re flip and sauce in a minute.",
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"text": "Sounds tasty, Jeff.",
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"text": "Samantha, I got a \"go to hell\" so you've yet to top that. jerk. and I called Daniel a jerk too.",
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"text": "Wow, who said that? I missed it",
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"text": "Jeff Neill, thank you for the speedy response. I shall inform the natives.",
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"text": "haha, nevermind",
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"text": "I don't think that counts, Beitia.",
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"text": "But what do we make of the time between fertilization and implantation, several days according to biologists, where the zygote has cells merrily dividing away?",
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"text": "Do you think implantation is significant in some way?",
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"text": "back to that are we.",
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"text": "we are. I don't understand how 60-80% of \"pregnancies\" because that's what they would be if the zygote had a rational soul, end before the first week. Makes no sense",
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"text": "I'll give you that it seems wrong intuitively",
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"text": "If delayed ensoulment is the real, I don't know if the Church is consistent in the gravity with which it regards all abortions.",
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"text": "Morning after as abortion. If not implanted then not ensouled the. Not abortion",
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"text": "Not that it regards them as wrong, just the way it insists on the gravity",
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"text": "automatic excommunications and such",
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"text": "Feil Samantha Cohoe: I will cop to occasional lurking, but I lack the commitment and \"patience\" that actual posting would seem to require.",
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"text": "Feil I'm satisfied that my influence has been felt on the topics that piqued my interest, though.",
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"text": "Catherine, should I get short Frye boots or tall Frye boots?",
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"text": "Feil Are you trying to chase all the men off the thread?",
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"text": "I was trying to chase them off before, with all that hymen talk, but it didn't work",
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"text": "Feil Re: boots: tall ones may be less subject to the vicissitudes of the fashion industry (i.e., they may be more \"classic\")--but the short ones are cheaper.",
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"text": "Feil Samantha Cohoe: Probably the closest I came to actually posting (before tonight) was to tell you how jealous I am of your boys' school. But then the conversation moved on...",
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"text": "Pardon me if I introduce, for anyone so inclined, a different and intrinsically less important topic, but one I have wanted to return to for some time now. I don't recall whether it was on TNET or some other thread that a number of teachers were comparing notes on their current students' willingness to make moral judgments, but I was surprised by the shared experience of these teachers on this matter. They said that their students were generally convinced that some actions are indeed immoral, especially obviously evil actions such as torturing babies. What I have found in the classroom, however, is that while students will confess to having a personal aversion to torturing babies, they are almost universally unwilling to say that such actions are wrong for everyone everywhere. I have set forth below an actual facebook dialogue with one of my ex-students (who is now studying at a well respected liberal arts college) which illustrates well my experience in the classroom for the last 35 years. I have not posted this dialogue to ridicule this student or anyone else, but I would be very interested to know whether other teachers out there have generally had the same kinds of exchanges with their students. In the dialogue below (which I have had to break up into three parts since facebook will not accept it as a single comment), I have changed the names of all the other participants to protect their identities. The dialogue was initiated when my ex-student \"Karen\" posted an article about a man who feel in love with his best friend and thereby discovered that homosexual love was as wonderful as heterosexual love. Karen's friend Sally was the first to respond with warm support for the article. After Karen's response to Sally, I entered the conversation as follows below:\nSally: I love the line, \"It just matters if it brought me love.\" \nKaren: Thanks so much for reading this!!!! I agree. If only everyone was like this you know?\nJeffrey Bond: Karen, I am confused by your comment. You want everyone to be like this? Does that mean you are not open to people who are not like this? That sounds judgmental to me, yet aren't you the one who is against people making such judgments. Please explain!\nKaren: Dr. Bond, of course not! To each their own, of course. I simply meant, I wish everyone was so much more focused on the parts that matter, like love. Rather than the parts that get in the way, like what you think you are supposed to be, or identify with or what the world will see it as. I think its a beautiful gift that this man was able to just recognize that he loved this man, his best friend, and didn't try to question it to death, but rather accepted it as something positive and loving in his life and let that be enough. I think this is a case of simplicity being the best path he could have offered himself. I appreciate you caring enough to inquire further and I hope this explains a little more?\nJeffrey Bond: I think I understand what you are saying, but I am still puzzled. Can the principle of \"to each their own\" really guide us? What if someone's \"own\" is contrary to what you support in your comment above? In other words, what if someone rejects the idea of \"to each their own.\" You clearly don't agree with that person, yet by your own principle don't you also have to approve of that person's position, too? Therefore, doesn't the principle of \"to each their own\" cause one to both approve of and disapprove of the very same thing? Does that make any sense to you?\nKaren: It does! And I think I agree with exactly the way you've phrased it. I suppose a good comparison would be when a couple \"agrees to disagree\" on specific topic. They reach a level of neutrality without surrendering their own personal beliefs on the matter. This allows them to carry on together and move forward, functioning together in the same world as two individual people. When you take this ideology to a larger population than one specific couple, i.e. the human race, I think \"to each their own\" is a way to work towards harmony when there are so many different and sometimes conflicting opinions, values, and beliefs out there, without feeling compelled to all be cookie cutter copies of one another, always in agreement.\nKaren: I agree completely with what you've said about my own principle asking me to both simultaneously approve of and disapprove of the very same thing, but I suppose it depends on what my end goal is for this to be acceptable and good enough. If my end goal is to achieve harmony, peace and respect amongst the people I share this earth with, then I would say its the best path I've learned to get there in my young adult life.",
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"text": "Part II\nJeffrey Bond: But aren't there limits to the principle \"to each their own\"? Let me offer an extreme example in order to make a point. What if someone loves to torture babies. Surely you would not say to that person, \"Hey, to each their own.\" You could not just \"agree to disagree\" could you?\nJeffrey Bond: I am assuming you could not \"agree to disagree\" with someone who loves to torture babies. You could not say in that case \"to each their own\" because you would be supporting someone doing something that is wrong. But as soon as you admit that something is wrong, don't you have to give up the principle \"to each their own\"?\nKaren: Hmm. Well here is where I run into my own personal dilemma. I am still trying to figure out my own beliefs on if people can be, by nature, good or bad. I mean purely born one or the other without any choice in the matter. Or if everyone is born \"good\" and along the way things happen to them that shape the decisions they make, for example, torturing babies. Assuming I believe that everyone is born good and something led this person to make such a socially deemed \"evil decision\", I would be much more inclined to feel empathy for this person. I would not condone it, but I would try to put myself in his or her shoes and see how they've come to justify it. However, if I come to believe that some people are just born rotten in their core, then I would be significantly less inclined to agree to disagree in this situation because he would be the enemy. Assuming I was born inherently good and am in the right mind to decide such a thing \nKaren: You are correct, once I might admit something is wrong, I would indeed have to forfeit that principle. But to play devil's advocate here, first we would have to determine who gets to decide the definition of \"wrong\". Just because the majority might think something is so doesn't make it Fact or Truth. Because to the individual doing the torturing, he or she may genuinely, in their heart and soul, may not find anything wrong at all about their beloved past time or choice in activities.\nJeffrey Bond: Yes, but if someone who tortures babies sincerely believes he is doing something good, wouldn't we say he is mistaken regardless of how he feels about it?\nGreg: I definitely don't feel qualified to enter into this discussion, HOWEVER... obviously, once someone's \"own\" desires violate someone else's, that's when you essentially lose that right. Like murder, theft, and torturing babies. But when you're just shootin' some love out into the universe, and not forcing it on to a target that doesn't want it, you're not violating anyone's rights and therefore free to do it. I'd think.\nJeffrey Bond: Who determines the question of when a \"violation\" has taken place? If we say \"to each their own,\" then we cannot say that murder, theft or torturing babies is wrong. Greg seems to be suggesting there is an objective standard of right and wrong, which would mean that \"to each their own\" cannot be a guiding principle in life.\nKaren: I, personally, agree with you, yes. I am one of the last who would ever be one to hop on board the baby-torturing train. I just think its isn't up to me to decide that he is mistaken.",
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"text": "Feil Anyways, since you are pretty tall, you should be able to wear pretty much any height of boot...which is not true of everyone.",
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"text": "Part III\nJeffrey Bond: Would you really not try to stop someone who was torturing a baby?\nKaren: Of course not! I plan on having at least 25 myself and adopting the rest of the one's that need a loving home! My point is just who am I to make that an all-mighty, omnipotent definition of right or wrong, mistaken or all-knowing?\nJeffrey Bond: Ah. But do you see that your principle of \"to each their own\" was in fact an attempt to identify an all-mighty universal statement about right and wrong? The problem is, that principle really can't guide our lives (as you just indicated when you acknowledged that you would not follow such a principle if you saw someone torturing a baby).\nJeffrey Bond: My point is this. We cannot avoid attempting to determine what is right and wrong, because even a principle like \"to each their own\" is such an attempt. It just happens to be one that contradicts itself and therefore cannot be true.\nKaren: I realize this brings us back to our original debate; I am no longer allowing this man or woman to practice their own beliefs by interfering and placing my own values into the equation by trying to remove the baby from the situation. This example contradicts the principle I am in favor of practicing. Naturally, I don't mean to be a hypocrite, as I am sure no one ever intends to be. But I haven't come across a better \"solution\" so to speak for how to coexist as well as when I have practiced the \"to each his own principle\". And in more times than not, fortunately, the circumstances and situations I encourage myself to apply this principle in are not nearly as extreme as torturing a baby. Rather it just helps to remind me that there is more than one \"right\" way to live, even if its different than mine. Just because its not my way or a way I may not be able to see eye to eye on, doesn't mean its wrong or beneath mine.\nJeffrey Bond: I have to get some sleep. But I would love to continue this conversation at another time if you are interested. You have a good heart and I'm glad to hear you plan on having 25 children! Peace be with you!\nKaren: Absolutely! I always welcome intelligent conversation. Its essential, quite frankly. Thank you for such kind words as well! Peace be with you and your family too Dr. Bond.\nDavid: I had to read these comments 3 times but that was easily the coolest debate I've ever encountered\nKaren: Thanks David.",
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"text": "Jeffrey-- Caleb has reported similar unwillingness among students to actually make universal moral claims",
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"text": "Feil Especially given the subject matter.",
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"text": "Yep, they all think Joel gives excellent fashion advice now",
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"text": "I think I'll go with the tall ones. Thanks, Catherine!",
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"text": "Thanks, Joel! You're right, I *am* pretty tall!",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: thanks for that.",
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"text": "Was it on this thread that this was being discussed long ago? Or was it another thread of yours?",
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"text": "I haven't seen much of that. The vast majority of my students are very earnest. They are just deeply confused.",
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"text": "A lot of Caleb's students, though, when pushed, would rather admit their their moral norms are actually just moral preferences than say there is objective right and wrong",
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"text": "Don't they all hate \"bigotry,\" though? Everything is relative, except of course a denial that all is relative. Or so it seems to me.",
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"text": "The hollow men",
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"text": "They will tie themselves up in knots coming up with a way to condemn bigotry, that's true",
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"text": "If you ask them about racism and same sex marriage and economic inequality they seem very sure. Is slavery wrong? They say yes.\nI don't buy it. They are torn, to be sure, by a stupid relativism but most students like most people are not really so.",
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"text": "Yes, they will condemn it, like they condem torturing babies, but if pushed they will say that their condemnation is personal, not objective.",
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"text": "Look at what Karen says about torturing babies. She is not personally for it, of course, but she cannot say it is wrong for anyone else.",
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"text": "It is also full of relativism. One of the reasons radical Islam gets treated differently by many (but not all) moderns, is the desire to be inclusive and not to judge other cultures. Of course, against that you have people like Hitchens or whoever claiming that all religion is evil absolutely. But he's fighting people largely on his side--i.e. elite liberal westerners.",
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"text": "How long have you been teaching?",
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"text": "Then there is Pater Edmund, who seems to just have a thing for Iran.",
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"text": "\"I will speak unto them of the most contemptible thing: that, however, is THE LAST MAN!\"\nAnd thus spake Zarathustra unto the people:\nIt is time for man to fix his goal. It is time for man to plant the germ of his highest hope.\nStill is his soil rich enough for it. But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow thereon.\nAlas! there cometh the time when man will no longer launch the arrow of his longing beyond man\u2014and the string of his bow will have unlearned to whizz!\nI tell you: one must still have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: ye have still chaos in you.\nAlas! There cometh the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There cometh the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.\nLo! I show you THE LAST MAN.\n\"What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?\"\u2014so asketh the last man and blinketh.\nThe earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the last man who maketh everything small. His species is ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth longest.\"",
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"text": "I have not had this experience. I do think Matthew brought it up a long while ago. I am surprised. But it is the conclusion of the principles that govern public discourse and law.",
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"text": "\"But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow thereon.\"",
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"text": "I don't know how many of you have the time (or inclination) to actually read more than my introduction to my dialogue with Karen that I posted above, but I would be grateful to any of you who would read the whole thing to see if it conforms with your experience. For me, this conversation is absolutely typical. If your experience is otherwise, I would be very interested to know how your students react when pressed in the same way.",
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"text": "That is actually shocking and explains a lot. I have seen this on one FB heated debate where the ultimate ground for a particular pro abortion position was that individual choice was the first principle of moral action.",
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"text": "I don't have students because I don't teach. I interact with adults of various ages in my job. But I've found that the older ones also suffer from the same inability to firmly come down on a side. \n\"whatever makes you happy\" is more the phrase I hear",
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"text": "Do you ever challenge that principle by pointing out that one cannot consistently defend \"whatever makes you happy\" when two people are made happy by opposed actions, say the child's desire to avoid the abuser and the abuser's desire to abuse the child?",
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"text": "So what's up? Been off the thread for a bit, after we were discharged.",
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"text": "Good opportunity to expose the problem. You want to debate--that makes you happy. They don't want to debate--that makes them happy. Can they really agree that both sides are right? Someone is going to be left unhappy.",
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"text": "The funniest thing was the Texas style liberals (complete with sidearm) ranting about how all republicans were racist when I was the only one who had hispanic/black/etc. friends.",
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"text": "I am surprised you are still alive.",
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"text": "It's kinda funny how parochial the average American liberal is",
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"text": "several of my co-workers live on the south side, consequently are black and there is an odd respect that you get when they realize that you aren't from \"there\"",
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"text": "people from the West don't have the inborn racism that white Chicagoans have",
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"text": "oh and BTW Joel, I am from Idaho. wanna guess how many times I've seen Built to Spill?",
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"text": "How many? (Only once for me.)",
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"text": "Wow!",
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"text": "they used to play almost every Thursday night at the all-ages club in Boise called \"the crazy horse\" that, alas, turned into a gay bar right after high school called \"bacchus cabaret\"",
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"text": "I am of the opinion that Iran ought to develop nuclear power generation. They need it both to continue developing as a country, providing power and clean water as well as continuing their only major export, oil. They lack the natural gas resources to continue a natural growth curve As a nation going through industrialization.",
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"text": "it's funny that even Zizek recognizes that \"tolerance\" is the only virtue left in the West",
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"text": "I can say that folks in northern Wisconsin have not lost their moral compass to that degree. It is refreshingly down to earth up here. But even Eau Claire is not so.",
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"text": "But absolute majority rule is preferred mode of government?",
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"text": "John, are you near Wasau?",
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"text": "I would think that a totalitarian set of rules would be preferred by those that do not wish to establish or push their view on others",
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"text": "and intolerance the only vice.",
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"text": "90 miles",
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"text": "The only sin is tobacco cigarettes",
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"text": "Here are the fundamental moral principles of the students I see year in and year out:\n1.\tNo one should impose his views on anyone else.\n2.\tEveryone should be tolerant of all points of view.\n3.\tEveryone should be free to do whatever he likes as long as he does not hurt anyone else.\n4.\tEveryone should be open-minded.\n5.\tNonconformity is better than conformity.\n6.\tDemocracy is the best form of government.\n7.\tThere is no absolute truth. What's \"true\" for you may not be what is \"true\" for me.\nAll of these principles, when understood as they are understand by my students, are self-contradictory, because they all rest on the relativist principle set forth in number 7. Yet they repeat them like they are the 10 commandments.",
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"text": "Built to Spill on ensoulment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlgzqTRv7Ec\nBuilt to Spill - Cleo\nThere's Nothing Wrong With Love\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "When simple examples break the rules, how do they respond? Confused, hostile?",
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"text": "Confused.",
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"text": "And when you show them the contradiction in their position, the vast majority of them continue to hold that position.",
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"text": "Do they attempt to establish answers?",
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"text": "My experience has convinced me that Plato's cave allegory is fundamentally correct, and the seven principles above are the shadows of the American cave.",
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"text": "The allegory works, no doubt. How often do people wish to leave the cave?",
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"text": "I see one or two per year who want out.",
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"text": "Thx 1138. The cave wants to keep you there",
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"text": "The cave dwellers want to stay there.",
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"text": "Or any other modern interpretations of the cave. Such as matrix or the Lego movie",
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"text": "I prefer the Lego movie as a remake of the matrix... It is a fight to leave.",
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"text": "And once out there isn't much there to support except knowing.",
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"text": "The modern cave seems much more powerful than the original version exposed by Plato.",
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"text": "I guess this is the problem with tac and supporting graduates once out.",
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"text": "\"Now what\"",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: I've taught two sections of Phil 201&202 at CUA (required for all first year students). I focus on ethics and politics for the courses, and my experience was that at least 1/3rd of the students disagree with moral relativism even before taking the courses.",
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"text": "That is quite amazing. Can they make the argument against it? Or do they simply oppose it out of a kind of instinct?",
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"text": "These students must have been visited by Hermes and given the holy moly to protect them against the seductive wiles of Circe.",
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"text": "Several have argued against the inconsistency of moral relativism in a way similar to the one you pointed out: e.g. you can't consistently hold both that morals are subjective and that you can do whatever as long as you don't hurt someone else. Some of the others weren't sure how to defend it initially, but agreed with the arguments after they were presented. And then there were some that didn't seem to be sure whether they should be relativists or not (they wanted to agree with both sides). The remaining 30-40% were quite convinced of moral relativism even after these discussions. I don't think they ever changed their mind (at least not while I had them for class).",
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"text": "If over 50% are leaving having been convinced that moral relativism is inherently self-contradictory, then there is hope.",
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"text": "I can convince many of them that moral relativism is self-contradictory, and I can even get some to repeat the arguments and seemingly understand them, but most of them slip back to their original relativism once they have been away from the discussion for a period of time. Very few really make the position their own.",
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"text": "Where I taught relativism was not a problem and I had not realized how pervasive it was. I had imbibed some of its flavors. But it is impossible maybe to fully shake off.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond - your concerns are normative. This year, teaching Seniors, I am going through Thomas Dubay's Faith and Certitude. I couldn't recommend it more highly for dealing with those precise issues. Chapter 6 - the Origins of Error - is particularly compelling.",
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"text": "I will check it out. Thank you.",
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"text": "I had some while ago read Testem Benevolentiam and its a check list of some of my faults, more than one that relates to relativism. It is in our air and water and mother's milk.",
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"text": "These are the 10 questions I just assigned for Ch. 6 - I think it will give you a feel for what I am getting at:\nFaith and Certitude - Thomas Dubay\nChapter 6 Questions\n1. Should we accept error as something \u201cnormal\u201d? Why or why not?\n2. According to physical laws, should a stick in the water appear to be bent? How does answering that question help us to understand whether or not our senses truly deceive us?\n3. In the example of the fruit tree, what was the origin of the author\u2019s error when he declared \u201cLook at the gorgeous apples\u201d?\n4. Dubay lists six common reasons that we often assert what we have not really seen, heard or studied. Please list these six reasons - your list does not have to be in complete sentences. (Hint: there are 6 paragraphs in a row explaining them).\n5. At the bottom of page 90, Dubay says \u201cAn ignorance of one\u2019s ignorance is a depressing disease.\u201d We all suffer from this at times. How is it possible to combat this \u201cdisease\u201d?\n6. What does it mean to say \u201cmen go by their sympathies, not by argument\u201d?\n7. \u201cAmerican folk wisdom excludes anything that cannot be placed on a poster or bumper sticker and read at a glance.\u201d Dubay says men everywhere show the same trait. Why?\n8. Why does sin cloud perception? Do we reach reality as a whole person or as a detached intellect?\n9. What are the three main reasons people leave the Church?\n10. \u201cIt seems clear enough that if sexual activities leading to intercourse and coitus itself were unpleasant or simply neutral, no one would have any problem seeing that contraception is both unnatural and evil.\u201d Explain how we rationalize sexual behavior through \u201cautokiddery\u201d (kidding oneself) - using the example of those who claimed the ruling purpose of their own intercourse was the unselfish \u201cenrichment of their partner\u2019s personality\u201d.",
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"text": "WRT to the Virgin birth, the whole sun shining through glass analogy, which is directly from Augustine btw, is used in the Roman Catechism and has some magisterial support. It isn't merely a pious belief. That doesn't mean it is a dogma, but it does mean that it deserves a little more respect. I would dare call it at the least probabilior, or even well-founded, meaning it would be impudence to mock it or dismiss it lightly, but possible to reject after considered thought.\nShe was virgin, before, DURING and after. If the Church saw the need to say \"during\" there must be some sense, even if only incidental, in which virginity could have been harmed/lost in giving birth, no?\nI don't know if the passage has been brought up, but St. Thomas explains the matter of virginity being the exclusion of having experienced sexual motions of the generative parts, with the form being the exclusion of any wilful sexual motion of said parts (so self-abuse means you are not a virgin, but rape doesn't mean that... you would remain, formally, a virgin)\nNow for the perfection of virginity Aquinas says one needs both mental and physical integrity. Sometimes he does refer to physical intactness as the matter, other times only as perfecting, making the matter as I said above.\nMary would be a virgin formally, obviously, and this suffices to be a true virgin, in the moral sense. But she would also be a virgin material, in that she would not have experienced such motions even involuntarily. The physical intactness would be a further perfection of the matter, though Aquinas himself notes how an incision, say by a sword, would no more affect the matter of virginity than being cut in the hand.\nActually, let me post this more. Aquinas fleshes this out more in some places. Seeing that the integrity of the mind, i.e. the formal and moral aspect of virginity is the more essential, the material integrity is 3 fold\n1. Purely bodily- St. Thomas says this is not the matter of any virtue or vice, except accidentally, as mediating some passion of the soul. unde si per aliquam incisionem claustra pudoris rumpantur, non majus detrimentum virginitati inerit quam si pes aut manus gladio incideretur (\"whence if by some incision the hymen is broken, there would not be a greater detriment to virginity than if the foot or hand were cut by the sword.\")\nSo rupturing the hymen is only a matter of virginity, WHEN the rupture is actually caused by the sexual activity. Otherwise it has just about nothing to do with it. But its intactness would be a visible sign that such activity has not occurred, even if its absence is no sure sign that it has\n2. The second element of its matter, is the venereal motion itself, from whence sexual pleasure arises.\n3. Is the passion of the soul that subjects reason to itself\nOnly these last two pertain per se to the matter of vice and virtue. It is possible, it seems, to affirm the dogma and hold that the rupturing of the hymen by birth would be like an incision, not relevant to virginity. But then one would have to explain the importance of the DURING. You could easily explain the physical part, as being far broader than the hyman. So just the \"during\" part needs explanation....",
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"text": "Mrs. Samantha Cohoe, I had a talk I have once that went into a lot of detail about Aquinas' view of generation and how just about everyone misrepresents it....it is not as simple as saying that it starts with a vegetable soul, and whatever that thing is dies and is replaced by an animal soul, and whatever that thing is dies and is replaced by a man, but that does seem to be the case of what he is saying on a first reading.\nI wish I could find that talk...even when I am the one who did the research, I am too lazy not to plagiarize myself....",
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"text": "Somehow I found a rough draft of the talk...\nIn question 65 of the Prima Pars of the Summa Theologica, Aquinas asks whether the substantial forms of corporeal beings are produced by the angels. St. Thomas explains two views he rejects. One is an emantionist view, which holds that there is a separated and subsisting form of man that is immaterial, and the immaterial man participates in this form, so that the matter receives its impression in a way. The same is held about life, and horse and any other formal aspect of a being. The other view, which he ascribes to Avicenna, is that the forms of corporeal things exist in the intelligences, or as we call them angels, the same way that the form of a statue exists in the artisan prior to making the statue.\nHe says both of these share a common error. They treat the substantial form as an entity itself, and hence tried to answer how the form itself was brought into being. Rather, it is the composite that comes into being. It is not the equine form that is made as some kind of substance itself which is then impressed on matter, but this horse that comes to be. This being the case, the cause must be looked for in another composite substance, and not a spiritual substance. A horse produces a horse. Angels are still involved, because he holds that the composite agent is moved by a created spiritual substance, but they are involved precisely by moving the corporeal agent. Hence the form does not emanate from them or arise from then apart from the corporeal agent. Rather, the potentiality of matter for this form is brought into act by the composite agent. The created spiritual substance moves it to that form, but does not replace the material agent. Further the species of these forms is referred back to God as the first cause. Only the first production of a corporeal creature involved God immediately producing the form, because matter only obeys His command there. But once nature exists, it is the reason for the reproduction of that nature.\nIn question 118 of the prima pars we move to the production of the soul. St. Thomas affirms that the sensitive soul (the soul of animals) is not produced by an act of creation, but through the agent reproducing. The argument to the contrary, he states, rests on the premise that an animal soul is simple and self-subsisting. If this were true, then it would have to be made through creation. He denies the premise because, as he argued earlier, the animal soul does not subsist. The reason is that in brute animals, who have sensation but no intellect, there is no operation that is not involved with some organ. Since every operation then is of the composite acting as a unity, there is no per-se operation of the animal soul. Since being follows upon operation, there is no warrant to claim that the animal soul is subsistent. It must then perish with the body.\nBecause of this it is not proper to speak of the animal soul being made, but rather the composite being made. It is the composite that exists, not the animal soul, except inasmuch as the existence of the composite is through the form. Hence, the soul is produced in the matter through corporeal agency, similar to non living things. The semen acts as a medium in the case of reproduction, it is an instrument of the generator. For St. Thomas the semen has a force that acts on the foetal matter given by the woman. The foetal matter has vegetative life and takes in nourishment. The force of the influence of the semen transmutes it until in some principal part the sensitive soul is present (the sensitive soul is not in the semen, but effect by the semen). Once this happens the semen is no longer exists as the semen gets dissolved. If we adapt his explanation to modern science, we may say that when the sperm joins the egg a change is effected such that in a principal part (say the nuclei of the egg) the form is already present. From thence, the substantial form in the body is able to work to the perfection of that body without any more need of influence from any sperm.....",
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"text": "In the next article we find that we cannot say this about the human soul. Indeed, St. Thomas say that it is heretical to believe that the human soul is generated by the semen. The reason is that the human soul is intellectual. Now the intellect has an operation this does not involve the body, such as happens in understanding universals. Since this is the case, a material agent could never produce it. Further, this being the case, that it has a per se operation apart from the body, it is subsistent unlike the animal soul. Being simple and subsistent it needs be created by God. This holds true in every instance of human generation, not merely the creation of the first man.\nSeveral objections are raised. The most important is the second. In man there is one and the same soul according to substance, intellective, sensitive and nutritive. But the sensitive soul is generated in man by the semen, just as in other animals, whence also the philosopher says in his book on the generation of animals that animal and man are not made at the same time, but first an animal is made having a sensitive soul. Therefore the intellective soul is also caused from the semen.\nSt. Thomas\u2019 answer here is very informative. He rejects two positions pretty quickly. One is that the vital operations of the embryo are caused by the mother or the semen. But this cannot be because nourishment, growth, etc cannot be caused from an exterior principle. So at least the \nnutritive soul is present in the embryo from the get-go. He rejects also that there are three souls in man, where the intellectual soul stands as act to the sensitive soul, which stands as act to the nutritive soul. This is rejected because one must reject really the notion of substantial form to hold it. \nThe third position he argues at length against. This holds that the same soul evolves from nutritive, to sensitive and to intellectual. This position even affirms God doing this.\nHe rejects this for several reasons. One is that substantial form does not admit of more or less. By adding or subtracting we get a different species, just as by take a species of number, say 5, and adding unity, we no longer have the same species but a new one, viz. 6. The same identical form cannot belong to multiple species for an obvious reason that either the form would not be the same, or the species would be identical. Second, an animal would come to be in a continuous motion. But in substantial change we do not have a lapse of time. Either this thing is a man or isn\u2019t. He may be a man who is bleeding to death, but he is still fully a man while he is a man. Third, this would not be generation, which is always the bringing of a new thing into the matter and hence the end of an old thing, This against what we observe in nature. Lastly, we must either say that the intellectual soul is subsistent in which case it needs be distinct from the pre-existing form it evolved from or that like the pre-existing form it is not subsistent, but that is false.",
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"text": "St. Thomas states (I didn't have the citation in there)\nCertain people have understood the body of man to be formed prior in time and afterward that God poured the soul into the already formed body. But this is against the ratio of the perfection of the first institution of things, that God should make either the body without the soul or the soul without the body, since both are part of human nature. And this is also even more unfitting of the body, which depends on the soul and not conversely.",
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"text": "My lazines meant massive c&p...but I do think my thoughts from the past-me were helpful to present-me and may to some of you. Especially after seeing the question raised about the ascension/descension of souls",
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"text": "Pretty sure TNET has met its quota for use & misuse of hymen. Next topic?",
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"text": "What about my last 5 posts? That was about ensoulment/ embryonic development",
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"text": "It seems impossible to say the zygote is not an human person (ensouled) though rational in potentia without rejecting the notion of substantial form. But that (rational in potentia) is little different from the nine month stage.",
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"text": "Does this mean we get to return to twinning? TNET is Ground Hogs Day wherefore it can be said to be never ending.",
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"text": "I would like to point out my earlier contention that while discussing this matter is interesting and helpful, at the same time it is beyond our capacity and that is fitting. For as pointed out in Job, the foundations of the world are inscrutable. How much moreso the new creation of a human soul which is of more worth than all visible creation, being eternal? (False assumptions about creation and the immutability of the laws of physics really set all \"scientific\" theories about origins on tenuous (or ignorant) grounds as an example.)",
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"text": "oh and while the thread is dead, while I appreciate the criticism of my anti evolutionary position which admits speciation, I have sound reasons and am as immoveable by mere hypotheses as the earth before Galileo. Anyways my sentimental syllogism is hard to overcome: i am comfy dwelling in the notion of an 8000 year old earth and with the thought that Adam named many of the same animals I name.",
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"text": "Uh oh! TNET is dying?! It is time to inject it with life through sneaky underhanded means! \nModesty in women's dress - a good thing, or the BEST thing, ladies, amirite? \n(hee hee hee)",
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"text": "define \"modesty\". are you going burka levels, or tastefully covered?",
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"text": "burka or bust baby. Lets blow up this thread. What does thomas say? ",
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"text": "Breast feeding in public without a cover is modest\nGet over the fact that a baby is eating on an uncovered female. \nClothing is a primarily a tool for function, secondarily a tool for beauty to complement the human form.",
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"text": "I do know this: if you want to see grossly IMMODEST--go to the TAC campus. ",
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"text": "Immodesty is an effect of passion not action. So the person wearing \"what is immodest\" is never immodest to themselves.",
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"text": "Further, The concept of modesty is the only outward effect of the fall. (All that other stuff about pain in childbirth and other such crap is hogwash)",
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"text": "distinguo: modesty as safeguarding purity and modesty as temperance in our relations to others (including dress and due proportion or a mean between slovenly appearance and drawing excessive attention to externals.)",
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"text": "http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/.../new-line-of-sleek-sexy.../\nNew Line Of Sleek, Sexy Ankle Length Jean Jumpers Stirs Up Controversy At 2014...\nEYEOFTHETIBER.COM",
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"text": "Re modesty as a safeguard of the virtue of purity, reason establishes the norms after which custom works out acceptable habiliments. That is how I understand Aquinas.",
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"text": "Complementing the human form, would mean complementing the externals as beautiful. \nThe athlete is not immodest. For example:\nI do not believe a triathlete is ever immodest. Running, swimming, cycling. \nHowever you a person moves to the category of morbidly obese, the human form requires more clothing to complement the lack of form.",
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"text": "Modesty as a safeguard to the purity of another may actually fall under justice and not merely the virtue of temperance.",
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"text": "BUT JEFF. What of the functional aspect you mention? What are clothes for?",
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"text": "Therefore, \"burka burka burka\"?\nSounds like the problem is in the formation of the individual and an over emphasized sense of modesty is actually destructive to purity",
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"text": "burka was a joke.",
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"text": "All clothing is part of rationality, however clothing for modesty is a result of the fall",
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"text": "But why any clothes for Venus on a temperate day in the shade?",
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"text": "Being a work of man it can be done better or worse; therefore some cloths can be for beauty sake. Venus wearing flowers in her hair counts. Also the sun may move.",
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"text": "However if you create a culture that says anything less than a burka is immodest, and would cause impurity, and people were raised in that culture is it not true?",
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"text": "[We have forgotten, nor will get to, modesty as temperance (in speech, gesture and dress etc) in our relation with others.] Let me suggest that reason does give minimal limits as to what ought to be covered. They are set by what tempts the weaker sex (in this regard) to impure thoughts (and I am not speaking of those who make no attempt to guard the eyes.)",
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"text": "What?",
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"text": "\"No nipples and pubic hair\" start with that as the reasonable limit",
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"text": "I've lived and worked in Huntington Beach where string bikinis are street wear... It's the beach",
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"text": "As my wife would say \"sufficient length that you don't flash you hoo-ha if you bend over\"",
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"text": "Thank God I broke you from that habit, Jeff. Good thing you married me.",
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"text": "Prudish people make sin.",
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"text": "You're beautiful Liz. Flaunt what your maker gave you.",
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"text": "My knees are quite pretty. Thank you ",
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"text": "I put this in my thesis at tac as well.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "so you are fine with your 12 year old daughter wearing bandaids + thong?",
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"text": "Ace bandage??? Sure! Totally kidding.",
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"text": "Front yard or back yard?",
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"text": "I believe dressing appropriately for the situation. For example, I rarely wear shorts, unless it is for sports.",
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"text": "But do you think Aquinas and Pius XI are wrong to point out that norms for fashion shouldn't be taken from a morally corrupt culture like the cannibals of Hawaii as opposed to the full length dresses of traditional Ugandans?",
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"text": "They dressed for their climate. Not immodest",
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"text": "Videos and photos of tribesmen are not immodest until you take them from their environment and culture and placed them in European culture.",
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"text": "BTW Hawaii is very temperate. Houstonians should be stark naked by that argument.",
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"text": "What is the definition of modesty that people are going off of?",
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"text": "But the houstonians would get sun burned....",
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"text": "i raised it above DL. I would be happy with a better",
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"text": "The problem with setting the definition of modesty in the other is that the culture the other is raised in is the standard of modesty.",
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"text": "So, as I understand Aquinas, modesty would fall under the virtue of temperance, and (stated negatively) would involve a habitual disposition where one does not draw undue attention to oneself.",
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"text": "Therefore prudish people in a commune are creating a cultural standard.",
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"text": "^Yep.",
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"text": "The need for normalization is across the culture falling to less than the standard is immodest",
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"text": "Modesty is not just with regard to dress, but all actions.",
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"text": "Yes. But when we typically speak of modesty that is never what it is about. Instead it is a matter that falls under justice.",
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"text": "So, a Victorian era woman would likely sin against modesty if she wore pants. Nowadays, there would be no sin. \nLikewise, a Victorian era man would likely sin against modesty if he were out in his garden without a shirt on. Nowadays, not so much.",
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"text": "John, that is precisely the problem, I think.",
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"text": "That is the exact problem and why that flawed thinking ends in burka burka burka",
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"text": "Moreover, I do not think that one needs to bring in the account of justice in order to make standards of modesty considerate of others. All virtues are always understood in a social setting. The definition of modesty, as I proposed, takes society into account.",
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"text": "not so much. . . . but some societies are not to be used as guides. I am not appealing to another society especially the current.",
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"text": "There are certain challenges in popular western culture because it has become acceptable (in many instances) to where clothing that deliberately draws undue attention. That, however, would be something that we could not allow.",
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"text": "John, I do think you are right that there are some cultures which are \"better\" objectively and should be seen as further human development in a real way. \nThe naked tribes of Africa, while in no way sinning against modesty, nevertheless, hardly seem something to aim at.",
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"text": "In general, however, I think one can allow for broad variations in dress that will still be modest. \nBikinis, for example, are not inherently immodest. At the beach they are acceptable. Some, Bikinis, however, deliberately try to excite too much attention. Is there a line? No. A lot has to do with the interior disposition of the wearer and his/her behavior and bearing.",
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"text": "^Why?",
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"text": "Let me suggest that long dresses need not be prudish and i have observed such. Because some are so does not mean all are.",
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"text": "Given that man has as a certain end, aren't some societies better at helping man achieve his end than others?",
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"text": "You are in your culture where you are at right now. The standard of society changes in the seasons.",
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"text": "^Granted.",
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"text": "Given that man has as a certain end, aren't some societies better at helping man achieve his end than others?",
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"text": "No.",
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"text": "So, for example: I think that polygamist societies are not as conducive to human flourishing as monogamist societies. In particular, it seems that women tend, on a whole, to suffer in attaining human fulfillment.",
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"text": "What tyranny of society do you wish to impose on all others?",
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"text": "Therefore, I would say that monogamist societies (in general) are better than polygamist societies.",
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"text": "Jeff, careful about the gap between is and ought.",
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"text": "Creating an \"ought\" is artificial",
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"text": "Moreover, is a certain minimal norm for modesty prerequisite to developing the more important aspects of the virtue of modesty?",
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"text": "Simply because a monogamist society is better, it does not mean that one can impose monogamy from on high on a polygamist society. \nMy only point is that a monogamist society comes closer to a nor form human flourishing than a polygamist society.",
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"text": "No",
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"text": "I don't think I am being controversial.",
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"text": "It seems there are several aspects to be considered before wearing clothes: 1) protection from the elements 2) hygiene 3) convention 4) awareness of concupiscence, one's own or others' 5) aesthetic values",
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"text": "John, I think that is an excellent question.",
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"text": "And add beauty of the human form Catherine.",
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"text": "Okay!",
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"text": "For example, I think naturist colonies can be modest because the convention is not to wear clothes, and people get used to the sight of a lot of flabby human bodies pretty quickly. Hygiene is an issue however, and protection from the elements...",
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"text": "^just as long as they don't require burkas, or a certain kind of dress.",
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"text": "I walk away for a couple hours and I miss out on the \"fashion police\" and totalitarian religious regimes?!?",
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"text": "Walking away from TNET should clearly be outlawed.",
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"text": "As a former police officer, the last thing I would want to waste my time on is enforcement t of poor taste.\nI prefer the safety of people.",
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"text": "you missed it Jeff. Consensus on TNET is that you must don the burka on TNET",
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"text": "As for the culture and society, there is formal and informal and right application of clothing to fit the environment both in form and function.",
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"text": "Isak Dinesen gives a wonderful account of the difference between the Catholic and the Protestant missionaries' approach to the indigenous folks in Kenya on the issue of dress. The Protestants tried to make them all wear trousers. The Catholics did not. Clearly this relates to the Catholic vs. Protestant view of nature--utterly depraved for the Protestants; ordered to the good for the Catholics. So, yes, of course cultural difference must be taken into account when it comes to modesty (as many have said above). But that is not the same thing as saying everyone should simply wear whatever he wants.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Black tie affair. (Wear whatever you want and would be appropriate)",
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"text": "Construction site... Framing and finish painting. Wear whatever you want.",
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"text": "The standards will be created to the task at hand.",
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"text": "Agreed, though I would say the standards are discerned, not created.",
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"text": "Correct",
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"text": "Form and function. Tuxedo t-shirts do not apply",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Created in the sense of making.",
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"text": "Not legislating",
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"text": "My point is simply that the standards come to us from nature. Hence, we don't make them; we discern them. Then, having discerned them, legislation will naturally follow from that discernment. No society--not even the nudist colonies--can avoid legislating on these matters. But the virtue of prudence is needed to know the content of that legislation and how far it can and should go.",
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"text": "I lived next to \"Glen Eden Sun Club\" in lake Elsinore, ca, shopped next to the residents at the grocery store and everything.... Do you know what they wear in public? Clothes. About the same quantity as anyone else.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Why are prudish people the only ones that wish to legislate modesty?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Growing up I attended A LOT of Lamaze classes, my mom taught them in our living room. On a weekly basis I watched film strips of child birth and learning the \"Bradley method\". There was no sense of immodesty since it was rightly ordered toward the purpose. However there is a time and place for naked folk birthing babies.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "To be clear norms of modesty are governed by custom and limits set by the church.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "What limits set by the church?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Edward, I don't think anything I said was against that. Rather I referenced particularly how all virtues are understood and practiced in a society. \nHowever, while that is important to remember how all virtues are in a sense \"Justice\" nevertheless, when one is trying to distinguish virtues that can be confusing.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Modesty, it seems to me, is the mean between prudishness and lack of shame. And I agree with John's claim about the norms of modesty, but I think custom is generally a part of legislation broadly understood. Hence, I do not think it is only the prudish who want to legislate in these matters. All parties want to legislate, even when the legislation they want is the absence of such.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Absence of legislation is legislation?",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Legislation in the broadest sense precedes the particular pieces of legislation that a political community promulgates. Legislation in this sense expresses and establishes the vision of the good of man that informs the particular pieces of legislation. I am thinking here of Socrates' account of the two-fold art of politics (legislation and justice) as set forth in Plato's Gorgias.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "In such an understanding, custom, for example, has the force of law.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "This idea is also found in Aristotle's Politics when he speaks of politics as the master art, the architectonic art which looks to the highest good of man and orders all the lesser arts accordingly.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "What force of law is in custom?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"We are the makers of custom\" H V",
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"text": "My mistake. It is in the opening of the Ethics where Aristotle makes this point about the architectonic art, but the idea is certainly implicit in the Politics.",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "As Henry V tells Kate when he proposes to kiss her, despite French custom to the contrary before a couple is married: \"Nice customs curtsy to kings.\"",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "If it were not for concubisense would modesty exist?",
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"name": "Jeffrey Bond",
"text": "Great question.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "I think it wouldn't although I think that clothing would.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Nudist colonies are ridiculous since they exposing the body to unnecessary risk of damage from the environment",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Purity as a virtue is in the control of emotions.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "#LetsGoIran: http://www.letsgoiran.com/iran-women-dress-code\nIran Women Dress Code | Women Cloth in Iran | Iranian Women Dress | Muslims...\nLETSGOIRAN.COM|BY IRAN TOUR | IRAN TRAVEL",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Not to distract from the modesty discussion, but a while back Michael Beitia was accusing people of being universalist. But if one recalls his original comment that brought up the whole universalism issue, it was an argument for delayed ensoulment because of the high mortality rate of zygotes. But this is obviously a crypto-universalist argument. The unspoken premise is that it would be unfitting for millions of young people to go to hell without a chance at salvation. Hah Beitia! You have been umasked! Molinist! Jesuit! Semi-Pelagian! Liberal! Neo-Modernist! Freemason!",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Again, if modesty is defined as only drawing the right amount of attention at the right moment and in the right way, etc., then of course it would exist before the fall.",
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"date": "2014-09-07T13:33:00"
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"polarity": 179,
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Where is Andrew Whaley? Bring forth the great penises of western civilization!",
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"name": "Marie Pitt-Payne",
"text": "Recently had a somewhat similar discussion to this one re: responsibility of the state in moral matters - does anyone know how many states still have legislation on the books against adultery? (Answer - quite a few.) And to those who might find that odd, why is it illegal to steal someone's truck but legal to steal his wife? Why is it illegal to destroy someone's finances but legal to destroy her home?",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "I think it's absurd to posit modesty as completely relative to custom. Adam and Eve post-fall had to wear clothes. No human being today is better than them in that respect. Nudist colonies are not okay. Just because you're at the beach, it's all of a sudden okay to walk around in (essentially) your underwear? I think not. Admittedly the line is incredibly hard to find, and does likely vary somewhat from culture to culture, but that doesn't mean there is no line. Also, modesty is clearly about more than clothing, but I find people too often use that as an excuse to act as if it doesn't have a practical reflection in how they dress.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "As for the legislation aspect, it generally seems like something that the state should not be involved with. But I have no problem with laws against public indecency, as long as they aren't out of control.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "The statue of David is more immodest in a leopard print thong than naked.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'd also note that the very same \"cultural relativism\" argument about modesty implies the conclusion that it might be immodest for a Saudi Arabian woman to wear anything less than a burka.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, of Loyola, has raised the point that persuasion is needed to resolve disagreement. This may be true in politics, but not so much when it involves sacred Dogma and sophistry. On Sophistical Refutations points out that the most elementary of sophistries is to agree to a Truth, but just redefine what that Truth means. An example of this is to say you agree with the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, and that there is a Dogma, but then redefine what that Dogma teaches. In fact, the Dogma teaches that Mary, the person, body and soul, at the first moment of conception, was Immaculate, free from any privation of sanctifying grace. This is fitting, since Our Lord, the Divine Person, took his human nature from His Holy Mother. Some on this thread have sought to redfine what this means by saying that Mary was Immaculate only in soul but not in body, in order to prove another point about human biology. This is a heresy of course. It is a grave matter. Every Catholic is obliged on pain of sin to understand what the Catholic Dogmas mean and to give assent to them. Mary is the Seat of Wisdom and Mirror of Justice.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "So why are you so critical of our attempts to understand the Catholic Dogmas?",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Bikinis not inherently immodest? As they are actually less fit for function and were soley designe for immodest reasons, I don't by that. Interesting that the Church always said it was inherently immodest for men and women to swim together.... Daniel Lendman\nAlso, I think it is a misreading to say modesty is about bringing undue attention. That is one thing modesty concerns, sure. So, frankly, if you wear victorian clothes to Mass, or eccentric old timey stuff, like cloaks, that is immodest. \nIt would be immodest for a guest at a wedding to dress so as to draw attention and stand out...not immodest, as such, for the bride.\nIt would indeed be immodest to wear ankle length dresses while swimming, and dangerous too. The necessity of function dictates a clothing that would be inappropriate elsewhere. \nBut modesty is more than about undue attention. That is to reduce it to the sin of singularity, or rather as the counter virtue of that sin. It is more than the sin of singularity though. It does have to do with the right dress, at the right time, at the right place, and there are objective norms...the Church was explicit about it not being culturally determined in toto. So I am not so sure that those African tribes could be called anything other than immodest, even though they would not be accused of singularity because of the cultural context.\nThe Church takes this very seriously. Though ignored, we are told to deny the immodestly dressed communion, and in extreme cases throw them out of Church, if this can be done without disrupting the liturgy. And whilst cultural norms were changing, the Church insisted in condemning these norms, not saying that modesty was changing as to its measure, but condemning the changes. But we ignore that\nHow about this statement, nudity is always sinful in public, or in front of a member of the opposite sex, excluding your spouse, except for grave reason? That is taught universally in Catholic morality, but I find even that being doubted. Bizarre how far we have fallen here.\nAnd yes the state has a duty to enforce public modesty, as the end of laws are virtue",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "On a somewhat related note, I urge all of you never to watch Discovery or any of its affiliated channels (Military/American Heroes/Science). They now air commercials almost as bad as the smut commercials of Europe, advertising explicitly porn....ye only late at night, but you call a channel \"American Heroes Channel\" and then do that...well that is the culture we live in, breathe, and are infected with",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Sean Robertson, how is modesty absolute and not based upon custom?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It probably is partially absolute and partially based upon custom.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "I accept your hug Edward Langley",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Although clothing (or lack of it) apart from action is not immodest in and of itself. Hence nobody is claiming Christ is immodest on the cross.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I think it's probably better to relate the virtue of modesty to the act of dressing rather than to clothing itself.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Because one of the circumstances of the act of dressing is the occasion for which one dresses.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And also, virtue is a habit upon which action follows, not the habit in which a person is. ",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Yes, and theologians make the distinctions necessary for that...but I see none of that here. Even Jone draws attention to the distinction between less decent and indecent parts of the body, and how custom regulates the former's display, e.g.\nActually he makes a few more distinctions. The breast, privates, etc are one (pudor, never to be shown without grave cause save to a spouse)....and yes, breast feeding, without cover and in a public place is not modest....\nThe midriff, shoulders, thighs are another distinction\nAnd the forearm, leg below the knee, etc another. \nCustom wholly regulate how much is shown (whether by being bare or by letting its figure through) of the last. The second is mixed, modesty demands that such parts not be used to draw attention, and they are generally considered indecentior. By that, they may, according to custom, be more or less covered in certain circumstances, but it is inherently more fitting that they be covered, and not accentuated. The first is always immodest\nDaniel Lendman mentions pants. Yes we all know the letter of pope Nicholas to the Bulgars about women wearing pants. Still, while custom may allow such, it is inherently a more feminine and fitting form for them not to, such that even now, in certain situations, it becomes immodest. Imagine going to a white collar event and a woman wears a morning coat and top hat....",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "All good Catholics should dress like this:",
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"name": "Tom Sundaram",
"text": "Eeeeeew.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Isn't that the poligimy-fundi group?",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "\"Woman, wear not tight fitting pants, or thou shalt incur the wrath of doughy men in ill fitting slacks and burgundy dress shirts.\"",
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"text": "I'm being blocked by Joshua Kenz, my wife had to read to me what he wrote ",
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"text": "Or the thread is asploding.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, I am surprised at your lack of documentation. I see no reason to understand modesty differently than the way I suggested. I am pretty sure I am following Thomas on that.",
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"text": "Regardless, I wish we all would go back to tunics and robes. More beautiful, more comfortable, more modest.",
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"text": "Double checked, yes, I'm being blocked. So much for rational discussion.",
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"text": "It's concerning to see that some of these remarkable students of Aristotle and Thomas assert a false understanding of the Faith, including the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, or no Faith at all, or a rationalistic approach to the mysteries of sacred theology.",
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"text": "No sense of beauty and false teachings about the Immaculata. Make the connection.",
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"text": "#TalibanChic?",
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"text": "That's nice, I cherish the time I had at Ferrier's sipping wine coolers, but Richard Ferrier would not know a metaphor if it bit him on the leg, and that does not discount the error of alum espousing Buddhism, same sex attraction, evolution, and dogmatic heresy about the Immaculata.",
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"text": "I married an Armenian. ",
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"text": "The Taliban truly understood that law ought to be ordered towards virtue.\nThey were trying to make Afghanistan more virtuous via an entire Ministry/governmental department of Virtue until we so rudely stopped them.",
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"text": "Correct, and ISIL makes Al Quada look like bleeding heart liberals.",
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"text": "You guys are all prudes. \nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freik\u00f6rperkultur\nFreik\u00f6rperkultur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nFreik\u00f6rperkultur (FKK) is a German movement whose...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "The joy of being put back into right ratio",
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"text": "I'd love to read about cycles and trends re prudery and acceptance of the naked human form. Fascinating how things change in art, for starters.\nAndrew Whaley's Vatican story re sculpture being a case in point. Same thing famously re many paintings.",
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"text": "So, I express concerns about how a TAC scholar of Aristotle and Thomas could assert that the Immaculata was immaculate only in soul but not body, and how another asserts that a human clone is the same thing as an identical twin, and you accuse me of being The Peregrine? I'm shocked.",
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"text": "If what you just said was true, I'd be the first to back you up. However, you have always insisted on blurring distinctions others have made to distort TAC grads into people who fit your prejudices.",
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"text": "I'm used to such tactics from talk show hosts, political bloggers and comboxes, I didn't expect them from a graduate of Christendom college.",
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"text": "There have been a number of studies on the trend of skirt length, fall 2014 is back to mid-length and full length. (All though there are full length sheer options available, for those that prefer to show off fluorescent under-Roos )",
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"text": "Jeff, did those studies come with graphs?",
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"text": "I don't wish to offend anyone. I just find it alarming and, quite possibly, telling, how a TAC alum on this thread asserted that only Mary's soul, but not Her body, was immaculately conceived -- in order to support a cheap contention. That's crass heresy.",
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"text": "Implying that the wives of many people in this thread wear ugly clothes is not away to avoid offense, last time I checked.",
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"text": "Some graphs but mostly photos. I'll find some.",
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"text": "Scott - I too was blown away by the conversation re: Immaculate Conception and Virgin Birth - as well as the conversation about Genesis and Biblical interpretation in the Catholic Tradition.",
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"text": "Scott, it's only \"crass heresy\" if the person asserting it knew the content of the dogma. What was in question at the point was precisely what the content of the dogma was.",
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"text": "And I still don't understand the difficulties people were posing in either conversation: no Catholic, to my knowledge, denied the letter of the dogma of the IC, they generally asked \"what does the dogma entail?\" Similarly, no Catholic said that Scripture could deceive, they just pointed out that the first couple chapters of Genesis are open to a wide range of interpretations with respect to the literal sense and that they broadly fit what Plato and Platonsts term \"myth\".",
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"text": "And, remember, St. Thomas and St. Augustine say that the literal sense of the Scriptures is the sense found once one has interpreted any symbolic speech.",
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"text": "I am blown away by flat landers that deny paleontology, and geoscience. At least our pope is willing to offer salvation to non-earth born people. (If ever found)",
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"text": "I am pretty sure I am the one that shocked when I used the term myth to talk about Genesis. \nI also raised certain questions about the way one might understand the IC.",
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"text": "lol.",
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"text": "To re-cap, several of the best and brightest of TAC disputed the Catholic Truth that high metaphysical and moral truths cannot be known by reason alone without some admixture of error. In fact, several of them (I do not want to name names) maligned this Catholuc Truth as heresy. To support this truth -- that grace and revelation are required to guide natural theology with error -- the example of the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was presented. Thomas Aquinas disagreed with this dogma because of his Aristotelean natural theology regarding the conception of man. In response, three of TACs finest argued that 1) Mary was not immaculate in her body; 2) a human person can have three parents, and 3) a human clone is the same thing as an identical twin. You can attack me all you want, but this is demonstrative of a flawed and crass intellectual formation.",
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"text": "You'd be more credible if you didn't insist that obvious mistakes and distortions weren't obvious mistakes or distortions.",
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"text": "I could call you a fideist and stop debating you, but I care about truth.",
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"text": "I have been called a lot of things by a lot of people (usually things like, brilliant, kind, patient, wise-beyond-years, etc.), but I have never been called a crass intellectual.",
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"text": "I think we are primarily having a communication problem, Scott.",
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"text": "This thread is full of firsts. I don't think I've ever been called a universalist before.",
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"text": "Go back and look: In response to the position that conception of body and soul occurs at the beginning of life, Daniel Lendman defended post-conception ensoulment and produced an article from pop science which claimed that one person may have three parents, and asserted that a soul could be infused into a zygote after fertilization to create an identical twin because \"strange things happen\" or words to that effect; 2) in response to a presentation of Dogma, and in defense of ensoulment, Edward Langley presented vulgar biological descriptions of female anatomy and an article claiming that a human clone is the same thing as an identical twin, and 3) in a statement of bald face error, Michael beitia asserted that the Immaculate Conception is immaculate only in body but not soul.\nThis is crass, malformed intellectualism. God bless.",
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"text": "1a. So, \"guilty\" I do think (still) that it is a reasonable position for someone to hold that biological conception as it is currently defined is not necessarily the same as what the Church means when it says that the Blessed Virgin was Immaculately conceived. \n1b. The article about the three parents was brought to bear on a different though related point about how it seems that all that is needed for ensoulment is properly disposed matter. Pater Edmund later linked a fascinating paper by Dr. Michael Bolin who carried this position to a rather extreme point, in my opinion.",
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"text": "2a. I find it amusing to think of Edward Langley presenting vulgar descriptions of female anatomy.\n2b. I still think it is reasonable to say that identical twins are essentially the same as clones. Natural v. articificial.",
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"text": "3. Michael did not intend to suggest that, and clarified his meaning later on.",
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"text": "The only person I remember spouting heresy was that Peregrine fellow. Remember when he contradicted a Vatican I citation twice? The 2nd time he stated that he held a proposition that Vatican I *specifically* anathematized!",
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"text": "I also remember him explicitly contradicting Vatican I as well, although he might have backpedaled slightly when the source was pointed out.",
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"text": "^You are right, those were both Vatican I citations (though he may have also contradicted Trent).",
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"text": "Basically, this debate boils down to this: several TAC alum maintain the false notion that reason alone -- without grace and revelation -- can attain all natural moral truths and truths of natural theology without any trace of error. This has been the position held by many in this thread, even to the point of taking sections of Vat I out of context. The Church teaches that revelation is necessary to guide and perfect natural theology. This debate also boils down to the fact that several Catholics on this thread do not know what \"conception\" means, and do not know the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. At least one \"scholar\" of Aristotle and Thomas from TAC seeks to misdefine the dogma to suit his false claim.\nThis is outrageous and pernicious. May God have mercy on you.",
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"text": "^Nope. Not what anyone said.",
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"text": "Scott, you're an idiot. Pius IX SPECIFICALLY tells us what conception means. When God, by special creative act, put an immortal, rational, immaculate, soul into Mary's body. Read the encyclyical",
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"text": "do I need to quote it for you again, Perescott?",
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"text": "\"Ensoulment\" obviously happens, as all of the souls of men are specifically created by God. You deny that? Dumbass",
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"text": "(I thought my ideas were radical, but I guess they weren't extreme enough). As to the subject of mixed gender swimming, what are the clothing standards by which men (gender) should follow, who sets the standards and how?",
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"text": "And thus passes the drive-by tongue-lashing.",
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"text": "My patience is limited. Expecially as regards intentional and deliberate misreading. I was particularly deferential in the \"delayed ensoulment\" convo - pointing out that I would have no problem with a different view. But, as usual, context is ignored for the sake of ax-grinding...",
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"text": "My blown-away-ness was really just that I couldn't tell if anyone had studied the Universal Catechism at all. It's a really important document - and all the topics discussed are treated extensively there, but no one seemed to be citing it. It took an alum of my own generation, Jody Haaf Garneau, to really go there. But then, she is actually working at educating in the Faith as an RCIA coordinator.",
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"text": "To be fair Marie Pitt-Payne, we have been citing magesterial documents, that are the basis for the CCC",
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"text": "http://upload.wikimedia.org/.../640px-Hemline_%28skirt... per request, here is a Wikipedia page on hemline trend http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemline\nUPLOAD.WIKIMEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "I understand that, Michael. But Pope Benedict so much wanted the faithful to study the CCC that he attached indulgences to the practice during the Year of Faith. Most of those questions that were being asked on Scriptural interpretation are presented in detail in the CCC.",
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"text": "Mr. Beitia, I would urge you to talk to a priest about what the Immaculate Conception means. It does not mean, as is your contention, that an immaculate soul was \"ensouled\" into Mary's non-immaculate body. This position is heresy. The Immaculate Conception, as an infallible Dogma of the Church, means that by a singular act of grace, Mary the Mother of God was preserved from Original Sin in her entirety, body and soul, from the first moment of her conception. Please consult with a holy priest, instead of relying on your interpretation of what you read on the internet. And please refrain from gutteral remarks or vulgar biological references. We are speaking about the Mother of God, after all. Thank you.",
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"text": "The Immaculate Conception, as an infallible Dogma of the Church, means that by a singular act of grace Mary, the Mother of God, was preserved from Original Sin in her entirety, body and soul, together, at the first moment of her conception. It does not mean, as some have crassly asserted, that Mary's body was NOT free from Original Sin, before an \"ensoulment\" of an Immaculate soul. This is heresy. This is not the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception, Mary Mother of Jesus, was conceived entirely without Original Sin in one moment. Her divine Son, Jesus the Christ, took his human nature from Her immaculate nature which is and remains immaculate in the fullest sense, body and soul together, from Her Immaculate Conception.\nO Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.",
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"text": "Scott, what is meant by non-immaculate body? What does it mean in relation to any unborn child? Where in the papal documents quoted above is it mentioned? I dont know what it means.",
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"text": "John, The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary is Immaculate body and soul from the first moment of her conception. Unfortunately, others on this thread, particularly Michael Beitia, (not me) assert that only Mary's soul is Immaculate, not her body. He claims that her body was not freed from Original Sin until \"ensouled\" by Her immaculate soul. This claim is childish, heretical and false. I have never made this false claim. Other have.",
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"text": "Here is the Dogma from Ineffabilis Deus: \"We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.\"",
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"text": "And Ineffabilis Deus describes the Immaculata as: \"singularly holy and most pure in soul and body...\"",
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"text": "And, Mary is \"entirely free from every stain of sin, and from all corruption of body, soul and mind.\"",
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"text": "Thank you, Scott. [BTW I dont think Michael denied this but I can see why you might think so.]",
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"text": "Ineffabilis Deus cites previous decress about \"the infusion [of the soul] into the body.\" The Dogma, however, prescinds from this view of ensoulment. Ineffabilis Deus asserts that Mary was preserved from all Original Sin, and by singular and special grace was made \"entirely free from every stain of sin, and from all corruption of body, soul and mind.\"",
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"text": "John, Michael Beitia did say above that the Immaculate Conception means that only Mary's soul was immaculate and infused [ensouled] into a body. This is NOT the dogma. The reference to infusion in the encyclical Ineffabilis Deus is merely a citation of a prior decree which was not the Dogma. Beitia did say that, and above he maintains that heretical position. So, the reason I think he said this, is because he said it. Also, others on this thread have said that a human clone and an identical twin are the same thing (Ed Langley). Other TAC alum have asserted that all metaphysical truths and truths of natural theology can be known without error by reason alone, even to the point of taking Vat I out of context. This contradicts Catholic Truth which holds that grace and revelation are required to ensure that reason may proceed completely without error in areas pertaining to high moral truths and mataphysics. Others have denied that Thomas rejected the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Still, others have said it is possible for a child to have three parents. Others from TAC have promoted Buddhist practices, and false theories of evolution, and have supported a moral basis for same sex attraction. When questioned on these things, they deny ever making thse claims, even though they are in writing.",
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"text": "\"And They Were Both Naked...and Were Not Ashamed:\" The Nude as the Highest Material Object of the Visual Arts. -- by Mariana Langley. One of the 2014 thesis titles in the slideshow above, just to bring it all full circle again.",
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"text": "Nudity as the highest material object of visual art? That's really absurd. Nudity is precisely why art conceals nudity. The next thing you know, students will be sunbathing nude as an artform.",
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"text": "Funny thing to say, seeing as one of the oldest art objects in the world is the Venus of Willendorf.",
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"text": "Notice too, the difference between \"nudity\" and \"the nude\" .... not the same thing.",
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"text": "But the nude study is really quite central to the history of art. You can't really deny that (though I know you might well try to).",
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"text": "I'd also like to note that JPII personally had the clothing painted onto figures in the Vatican's murals removed.",
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"text": "So, is this how it works? See a picture of the statue of David, pull a verse from the Bible and write thesis? Objects of practice are not the highest. Clearly depictions of the nude are not the highest form of visual art. Clearly, depictions of creation, revelation, Christ, Mary and salvific images are the highest form of visual art.",
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"text": "Actually, Mariana Langley's father is an excellent artist (possibly even the greatest living artist, although I might be biased) and Mariana had a first class training in the visual arts long before she went to TAC.",
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"text": "Scott, I have read the whole document. It does not prescind from prior teaching but affirms it clearly. And Beita well cited it. That part clearly refers to the first moment of conception, the infusion of the soul. I dont think it is debatable. The references to corruption and purity do not seem to refer to refer so much to the conception as later or rather her whole life.",
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"text": "http://jameslangley.com/viadolorosa/\nVia Dolorosa\nCONTACT JAMES LANGLEY \u239c ARTIST\nJAMESLANGLEY.COM\nSeptember 7 at 8:41pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 2 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nScott Weinberg And no, Mr. Langley, I am merely restating the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception and the teaching if Ineffabilis Deus. Mary, Mother of God, was Immaculately Conceived all in one moment, body, soul and mind, at her conception. This is the teaching of the Church, not my reiteration of it. I am merely asserting it again and again because you do not seem to get it or assent to it.",
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"text": "TAC totally corrupts the youth. I wouldn't be surprised if students snuck out after curfew to swim nude in the ponds.",
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"text": "Sure, what does conception mean? that's the crucial question you've been ignoring for hundreds and hundreds of comments.",
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"text": "now...to tag or not to tag....",
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"text": "Monica Murphy, Rebecca Gisla, Laura De",
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"text": "John, that is false: Mary was Immaculately Conceived body and soul, all at once, at the very first moment of her being, namely, at her conception. This is what the Church teaches. I am sorry you see it differently.",
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"text": "Apropos of not too much, Mariana also painted gorgeous botanical studies for work study.",
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"text": "It's too late for them to retract our diplomas, right?",
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"text": "Yes. We almost froze. The alcohol kept us warm though.",
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"text": "Scott, but in normal generation being a parent means providing matter (in some sense) to receive the human soul.",
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"text": "Nope. We survived. All these annoying upperclassmen came by and tried to compel us to get out of the ponds, but we didn't listen. \"Ah, the immodesty of a co-ed swimming party!\"",
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"text": "Oh, co-ed swimming parties are clearly mandated by tradition at the end of Senior year. No one objected in 06.",
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"text": "Ed, I am not denying anything that science has proven, but science has not proven what you think it has proven. Being a parent means providing matter which becomes new matter at conception, at the same time with a soul, called into being at the same moment as the soul is. This is conception.",
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"text": "like a unisex burqini",
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"text": "I am quoting what the Church teaches: Mary is the Immaculate Conception. She was conceived body and soul and mind in one moment. At her conception.",
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"text": "dislike! I dislike the burqini!",
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"text": "Beiatia did. See above. Please do not deny your previous claim.",
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"text": "Look man, there had to be some pre-existing matter out of which Mary came to be.",
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"text": "But that matter wasn't Mary's body in any relevant sense until her soul was there, too",
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"text": "Nope, it means that you claimed only her soul was immaculate. It is clear you do not know what the Dogma means. What do you think it means?",
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"text": "If you mean that matter had been prepared to receive Mary's soul, then we say that there must have been some preexisting matter that was marked out by natural causes to be the matter for a new person. If you mean the matter that is the matter of a human person, none of us has said that that matter could exist before the creation of Mary's soul.",
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"text": "Techinically, \"human body\" names the ensouled body considered as distinct from the human soul informing it.",
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"text": "Beitia said that Mary's immaculate soul informed what was the non-immaculate matter that became her body. This is not the Dogma. But, pray tell, what do you think the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception means?",
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"text": "Can you even consider them as distinct?",
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"text": "Edward Langley, please tell us what you think the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception means.",
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"text": "Ed, heroic efforts and everything, but I don't think this is going anywhere.",
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"text": "What is the problem with saying that was when the sperm met the egg?",
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"text": "Edward, please tell us what you think the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception means.",
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"text": "(I didn't read all the comments above, but I can go do so now...)",
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"text": "None of us has any real objection to that, Catherine, our main contention is that the dogma doesn't commit us to any particular view of the relation between the fertilization of the egg and the coming-to-be of the person.",
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"text": "i.e. the question of \"when is the soul created\" is not bound to a specific view of what happens in fertilization.",
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"text": "So, should I catch up? Did anything interesting happen today besides the modesty stuff?",
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"text": "Not that I can recall, although a distinction was made between modesty as conceived as a virtue of clothing vs. modesty conceived as a virtue governing the act of dressing.",
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"text": "We are still waiting for Edward Langley to state what he thinks the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception means. (It means that all of Mary came into existence at once, body and soul, matter and form, and this was her conception and she was, at this first moment of her existence in both body and soul, by a special act of grace, preserved from sin, body and soul... not just soul.)",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz posted some thoughts on ensoulment, too",
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"text": "I just did four or five comments ago.",
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"text": "I have read Mr. Kenz's essay about Thomas on ensoulment and am more confused now. Might be the whiskey sour",
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"text": "Does anyone have a good brandy recommendation? Under $30?",
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"text": "Aufhebung! (Hegel, natch)",
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"text": "So, I've got this article I'm supposed to be editing ... *procrastinates*",
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"text": "I'm waiting for Caleb to be done carefully curating his \"10 books that moved you\" before he posts it to facebook. He does not know what \"off the top of your head\" means.",
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"text": "Procrastination is the best.",
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"text": "I told him he couldn't put \"Summa Theologiae\" on the list but he disagrees",
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"text": "Why not?",
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"text": "That's like saying Corpus of Aristotle.",
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"text": "Aristotle's Corpus, I mean",
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"text": "too much. it's cheating",
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"text": "But it's actually a book, and was intended to be a unit.",
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"text": "but it's soooooOOOOOoooOOOOOoo long",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Could he have put Churchill's \"History of the English-speaking People?\"",
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"text": "http://www.amazon.com/History.../dp/0880294272/ref=sr_1_2...\nA History of the English-Speaking Peoples (The Birth of Britain / The New World /...\nAMAZON.COM\nSeptember 7 at 9:39pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nSamantha Cohoe I'm guessing you put it on your \"10 books that moved me\"",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "One last thing, Ed. There is no mention of \"person\" in the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, and Thomas rejected the Dogma for several flawed reasons. Study your Dogma.",
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"text": "I see Samantha's point though. If I were to focus in on what part of the Summa really stuck with me I would say something like ST, I. QQ 1-13. I admit it sounds awkward, but still ...",
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"text": "Yeah, I'm sure you don't want to say that Churchill's history has anything like the immense breadth of topics that the Summa has",
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"text": "The best thing I ever did after leaving TAC was reading through the first 10 or so questions in the Prima-Secundae (the parts on man's last end and the parts on the stages of a voluntary act).",
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"text": "The one giant lacuna in TAC's philosophy course is a discussion of the appetites from the perspective of natural philoosphy. While the ST isn't exactly natural phil., that section helped me clarify how the appetites work.",
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"text": "I kinda wish we read it instead of the Treatise on Law.",
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"text": "I'm still waiting, Scott, for your discussion of how all men were saved by Christ's Passion and how that works in the case of the Immaculate Conception.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Well, I can't put off editing this paper any longer: I promised the author I would give him my comments by the morning. I'll stop back later if I finish early enough ... TTFN.",
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"text": "That's funny Ed. That was the same reason why Thomas rejected the Immaculate Conception. Terms like ensoulment, fertilization and personhood, and crass physiology from hip chicks, have nothing to do with the Dogma. You seem like medieval neanderthalists. You should allow your bodies to be ensouled by Dogma. Lol.",
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"text": "You realize that it's heretical to deny that all men were saved by Christ's Passion and Death, right?",
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"text": "\"hip chicks?\"",
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"text": "(BTW, don't read that in a universalist sense, I was slightly sloppy in my formulation.)",
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"text": "crass physiology?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "What I meant was \"it's heretical to deny that everyone who is saved is saved by Christ's Passion and Death.\"",
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"text": "What is he talking about?",
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"text": "Christ died for all men, so in that sense you're right",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "He means talking about female anatomy in relation to the dogma of the virgin birth.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Who're the \"hip chicks?\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I think he might have meant you.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And maybe Marie.",
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"text": "huh.",
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"text": "Well I wasn't claiming the \"light through glass\" stuff had anything to do with IC dogma.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah, I think he might be confusing our discussion of the Virgin Birth with that of the IC.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Best Hodor voice. Hymen, Hymen, hymen, hymen, hymen, hymen, hymen...",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I mean, the Immaculate Conception was a grace wrought through Christ's sacrifice and, Catholics, please do not speak of physiology in relation to the mysteries of the Most Holy Mother of God. This is obscene.",
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"text": "Scott, did you come from the Victorian Era in a time machine?",
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"text": "Aquinas does speak of physiology in reference to such things and the Church's Tradition is full of disputes about exactly what physiological happenings are implied by the dogmas about the Blessed Virgin and the incarnation.",
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"text": "This doctrine from Trent raises the single greatest difficulty for defending the Immaculate Conception: \"The causes of this justification are: the final cause is the glory of God and of Christ and life everlasting; the efficient cause is the merciful God who washes and sanctifies[31] gratuitously, signing and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance,[32] the meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies,[33] for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us,[34] merited for us justification by His most holy passion on the wood of the cross and made satisfaction for us to God the Father, the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith,[35] without which no man was ever justified finally, the single formal cause is the justice of God, not that by which He Himself is just, but that by which He makes us just, that, namely, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind,[36] and not only are we reputed but we are truly called and are just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to everyone as He wills,[37] and according to each one's disposition and cooperation.\nFor though no one can be just except he to whom the merits of the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet this takes place in that justification of the sinner, when by the merit of the most holy passion, the charity of God is poured forth by the Holy Ghost in the hearts[38] of those who are justified and inheres in them; whence man through Jesus Christ, in whom he is ingrafted, receives in that justification, together with the remission of sins, all these infused at the same time, namely, faith, hope and charity.\"",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil I am resolved not to get sucked into the vortex, but re: the whiskey discussion upthread: http://www.thedailybeast.com/.../your-craft-whiskey-is...\nYour \u2018Craft\u2019 Whiskey Is Probably From a Factory Distillery in Indiana\nThe artisan whiskey industry has a big secret\u2014many of...\nTHEDAILYBEAST.COM",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil No idea how reliable the article is.",
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"text": "If Mary never was subject to sin, she would not have needed salvation and thus Christ would not have justified her but Trent teaches us that every man must be justified by Christ's Passion and Death.",
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"text": "Scotus's solution is interesting, but I'm not sure if it's coherent: he says that we must divide the instant so that at one and the same moment (that of her conception) she was subject to sin and neading salvation and saved from all taint of sin.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"infused with dogma\": this may explain his understanding of Faith enlightening reason which I understand primarily as the dogmas we assent to safeguarding us from errors. Scott seems to regard it as an infusion of grace that protects one from error.",
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"text": "Catherine-- you're just a big spoil sport",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Ed Langley, you seem to be a clone of Neanderthal and medieval man. Did they use pre-existing matter in your creation?",
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"text": "I'm actually deeply troubled by this.",
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"text": "Read Dogma; put away the brandy.",
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"text": "The whiskey thing, I mean",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I'm pretty sure it's true, Samantha.",
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"text": "Scott, fyi, I am not a \"hip chick\"",
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"text": "I've got three kids and a mini-van.",
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"text": "Three is just about the limit for \"normal people\", Samantha.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "It has never been Catholic tradition to discuss Mary in the crude and presumptuous way that you do. That is tragic.",
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"text": "Actually, if all those Fathers Marie was talking about actually said all that stuff about the Virgin Birth, then it was in fact Catholic tradition",
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"text": "Here's some Aquinas:' On the contrary, Augustine says (Serm. de Nativ. [Supposititious), addressing himself to the Virgin-Mother: \"In conceiving thou wast all pure, in giving birth thou wast without pain.\"\nI answer that, The pains of childbirth are caused by the infant opening the passage from the womb. Now it has been said above (28, 2, Replies to objections), that Christ came forth from the closed womb of His Mother, and, consequently, without opening the passage. Consequently there was no pain in that birth, as neither was there any corruption; on the contrary, there was much joy therein for that God-Man \"was born into the world,\" according to Isaiah 35:1-2: \"Like the lily, it shall bud forth and blossom, and shall rejoice with joy and praise.\"\nReply to Objection 1. The pains of childbirth in the woman follow from the mingling of the sexes. Wherefore (Genesis 3:16) after the words, \"in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children,\" the following are added: \"and thou shalt be under thy husband's power.\" But, as Augustine says (Serm. de Assumpt. B. Virg., [Supposititious), from this sentence we must exclude the Virgin-Mother of God; who, \"because she conceived Christ without the defilement of sin, and without the stain of sexual mingling, therefore did she bring Him forth without pain, without violation of her virginal integrity, without detriment to the purity of her maidenhood.\" Christ, indeed, suffered death, but through His own spontaneous desire, in order to atone for us, not as a necessary result of that sentence, for He was not a debtor unto death.\nReply to Objection 2. As \"by His death\" Christ \"destroyed our death\" [Preface of the Mass in Paschal-time, so by His pains He freed us from our pains; and so He wished to die a painful death. But the mother's pains in childbirth did not concern Christ, who came to atone for our sins. And therefore there was no need for His Mother to suffer in giving birth.\nReply to Objection 3. We are told (Luke 2:7) that the Blessed Virgin herself \"wrapped up in swaddling clothes\" the Child whom she had brought forth, \"and laid Him in a manger.\" Consequently the narrative of this book, which is apocryphal, is untrue. Wherefore Jerome says (Adv. Helvid. iv): \"No midwife was there, no officious women interfered. She was both mother and midwife. 'With swaddling clothes,' says he, 'she wrapped up the child, and laid Him in a manger.'\" These words prove the falseness of the apocryphal ravings.'",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But, anyways, it's just silly to think that statements about bodily processes are too dirty to attribute to the Blessed Mother or Christ who \"became like us in all things but sin.\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "The first question you should ask yourself before charging someone with obscenity is \"what was the occasion for this saying?\"",
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"name": "Michael Bolin",
"text": "People, why do you keep responding to this man?\nHe has repeatedly and in the clearest terms shown that he is either incapable of or not interested in participating in rational discussion.\nHe has interrupted actual conversation with baseless slurs and accusations of heresy, thus revealing his genuine interest, trolling.\nHe has needlessly denigrated the Church's Common Doctor in fruitless attempts to support his risible fideistic theology, and rejected the notion of faith seeking understanding in pursuit of the same end.\nHe has made absurd displays of purported piety in order to cast aspersions on legitimate and honest theological inquiry.\nHe has repeatedly and baselessly insulted the men and women in this conversation as concerns their education, faith, and moral character.\nI realize that there is some occasional measure of entertainment to be found in his tirades, but to encourage this behavior seems more likely to be a spiritual hindrance than a help to him. The man needs not argument but prayer.",
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"text": "Wow, Michael, you sound like a very proud fellow. I just find it tragic when Catholics scream like furies at the smallest of perceived slights, yet you use the most vulgar terminology when speaking of the Theotokos.",
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"text": "Scott, why do you feel it necessary to attack people?",
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"text": "TNET \u2260 DNFTT",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Michael's is a well measured response. Scott when it comes to certain dogmas you make unfounded attacks of heresy. Your other posts are at times amusing and even insightful. But if you continue attacking, I will soon block you. I dont doubt your Faith but your zeal is misplaced.",
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"name": "Michael Bolin",
"text": "There have been any number of fascinating topics on this thread that could serve to keep it never-ending without feeding the troll. Even apart from concern for his good, it's a pity to see these derailed.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I attack no one. Thomas was wrong about the Immaculate Conception. Others on this thread have stated opinion about the Dogma which is clearly false. Some of the language you have used to discuss the Virgin Mary is vulger and inappropriate. You seem to embrace your own frail understanding of medieval theologians over the guidance and Dogmas of Holy Mother the Church. This is hardly Catholic. So why do you attack me, why do you not just censor me, and prove you are hardly American as well?\nI am too busy to discuss the sacred with crude people like some of you.\nMay God have mercy on you.",
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"text": "\"I attack no one\" and \"you are hardly American\" in the same paragraph. \nReally?",
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"text": "Please explain anything that was written, \"vulgar\"",
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"text": "Hymen???",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "The vulgar physiological descriptions used in your discussion of the mysteries of the Blessed Virgin Mary are inappropriate. I have been attacked by several TAC alum for pointing out that Thomas erred in his understanding of the Immaculate Conception. This is not a denigration of Thomas, but fact. Others on this thread have claimed or implied that the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception is necessitated by \"ensoulment.\" This is false. Ensoulment is a theory. The Dogma is de fide. For all this, I have been personally attacked and threatened with censorship. The threat is whimpy, and un-American.",
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"text": "Not seeing how \"hymen\" and \"passage to/from the womb\" is any less vulgar than \"circumcise the foreskin of your hearts\". Actually, in the literal sense of the word \"vulgar\", \"hymen\" isn't vulgar at all--it's medical terminology. Nobody's talking about popping cherries, which would be crass and vulgar. In any case, I don't know how a discussion of virginity before, DURING, and after birth can occur without some discussion of physiological logistics. Always been curious about Catholic teaching on this. Thoughts, Samantha?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "This is enitirely inappropriate, sad and pathetic. God have mercy on you. It is clear that you have had very little introduction to Catholic theological and dogmatic traditions, especially those which involve the Immaculate Conception and Virgin Birth, and how to discuss. Social media is no excuse. You talk trash like a bunch of miscreants.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Scott, go back under your bridge.",
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"text": "Ed, go to hell.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Hymen. Hymen. Hymen, hymen, hymen, hymen. HYYYYMMMMMEEEEENNNN!!!!!!",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Hodor?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Theological topic: when Christ was presented in the temple, was his foreskin incorruptible?\nIs it hidden in some momentary tabernacle?",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Dude, if Scott Weinberg drops dead from shock, I blame Jeff.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I think Scott thinks that, in general, it is inappropriate to try to understand mysteries both singly and in relation to each other. Thus, bringing in physiological details to discuss the implications of the Virgin Birth is \"obscene.\"",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Jeff, did you go to or graduate from Thomas Aquinas College?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "HahahahHa.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Jeff, I think that question is probably inappropriate.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Mostly because I don't see any consideration of it in theological authorities.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "But interesting..... For a better crowd to discuss",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Your nuts, Ed. We could go 2 maybe three thousand comments on that question--with a few breaks to talk about skirts and Latin.",
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"text": "Ok so it isn't theological per se",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Yes, Ed, bringing such terminology into discussion on the Topic of the Theotokos is by definition obscene and inappropriate and not funny in any way. Shame on you!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "My main objection (upon reflection) to Jeff's question had to do with making jokes about holy things: the question of the consequences of the Virgin Birth has a long history in theological authorities.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "One day, someone is going to tell me that Scott Weinberg is a hilarious prankster, and that all of his pedantic, boorish bullying is just a giant charade. He's really just a great guy who pretends to be horrible as a way to entertain his old buddies on Facebook. I kind of think that might be the case. Can anyone confirm or deny? Until then, I can't figure any of this out.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Speaking of vulgar, in the Hebrew text where it is talking about slaying all the men of Jericho the text literally says, \"Slay all those who urinate against the wall.\"",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Oh those Semites!",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Penance is being tagged in a comment on TNET",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "And Scott you haven't been to the campus lately. The women wear beautiful clothes. I didn't even see one jumper nor a denim skirt. I was most impressed by the upgrade in the women's fashions since the '90's",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "\"Go to Hell,\" is pretty much the worst thing that one could desire for another man.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "No Aaron -- he is for real.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Let the word of Christ dwell in you abundantly, in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing in grace in your hearts to God. Col. 3:16",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Kathleen Wilson",
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"name": "Kathleen Wilson",
"text": "Well, heck. Last time I checked out this thread everyone was playing so nicely together.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Scott, as I said before, I did go there and my senior thesis was on Aristotle's 10th category and Genesis, in particular on rationality necessitating clothing before the fall... But not for modesty.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Oh, but you've missed so much in your absence.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Hi Kathy",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Kathy, start reading. Lol",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Brian Dragoo or someone else should post a link to his talk on vulgar humor, etc.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "I'm so proud of you all. Did I miss the 16000 party?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yes, very yes",
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"name": "Monica Murphy",
"text": "Just scrolled up 1,000 comments (!!!) to find the original hymen conversation, and found the relevant magisterial quotations - thanks - in which the possibility of being born without a hymen at all isn't raised. Developments of modern science should, to some extent, affect our understanding of the Faith. The phrase 'in partu' perhaps reflects a lack of understanding about variations in female anatomy, variations including the hymen's presence/non-presence, size, thickness, shape, and flexibility. The Schoolmen (and, perhaps, comments on TNET) ASSUME a universal presence, thickness, flexibility, and shape of the hymen, and must therefore address the issues which a birth-through-hymen must entail. But as far as I know, it isn't an article of faith to believe that Mary was born with any sort of hymen at all--which makes the whole doctrine of perpetual virginity a lot easier to accept.",
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"text": "And lest anyone think the above comment is too shocking for rational discourse, let's bear in mind that our bodies are \"fearfully and wonderfully made\", and that knowledge and discussion about the female body in no way precludes respect for its structure and power.",
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"text": "Monica, interestingly, the Church was very deliberate in defining the perpetual Virginity of the Mary thus: \"virgin before, during and after giving birth.\" It follows then, that even the physical (though not necessary) signs of her virginity are present.",
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"text": "I think in defining the doctrine thus, there is something wonderful, regardless of the misunderstandings of the council fathers had with respect to the intricacies of female anatomy.",
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"text": "I would argue that the physical signs of the blessed virgin more perfectly express her role as Sign (\"sacrament\"), Image, and Exemplar of the Church.\n\"And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut\" Ezk 44:2",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Daniel Lendman, I was on my way to Mass. I do want you to think hard about what customary standards imply about a culture's stance on sexuality. You don't get the customs we have without being \"sexually liberated\" Same went for the Hawaiians and their promiscuous sexuality\nOr you sure you want a boatload of documentation? I don't know want to quote from St. Thomas, as I presume you read the pertinent passages and somehow missed what I, and say Pr\u00fcmmer or Jone or Merkelbach or Tanquery saw in them\nWould you accept any of them? If not, did you want the Vatican's declarations?\nWould you dismiss the Congregation of the Council's Decree of January 12, 1930? Or the Congregation for Religious, August 23,1928, which explicitly condemns the current custom in dress....see if custom makes it not immodest, then Benedict XV was such an idiot in Sacra Propediem, condemning things that had ceased to be immodest, because custom.\nFrankly I am shocked by you taking such a modernist take here. And I am not using that word lightly\nFor further benefit, I will reproduce what Pr\u00fcmmer says. Jone is clear, but I haven't him handy and he does tend to be legalistic",
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"text": "And bikinis were explicitly designed to be immodest, even if the sin of singularity is what you reduce modesty too....underwear is often more modest. A bikini not only shows a lot, it is seductive in the little it hides and is made to draw the eye. There is a reason there are nude and topless joints and bikini joints too....all places to ogle women. But anyhow, found the Pr\u00fcmmer...give me a bit",
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"text": "Joshua, thank you for the homework (and I do not mean that flippantly) I will take a look at those texts when I can find them and when I get a chance. \nI am glad, at least, that you would be shocked that I would have a modernist take. Scott would just assume it of me. I only ask you to give me the benefit of the doubt for now as I am earnest in my pursuit of the truth and I am willing to be corrected if I am in error. \nMy position is largely based on the following texts which I am putting in English for the sake of others:\nI answer that, It is not in the outward things themselves which man uses, that there is vice, but on the part of man who uses them immoderately. This lack of moderation occurs in two ways. First, in comparison with the customs of those among whom one lives; wherefore Augustine says (Confess. iii, 8): \"Those offenses which are contrary to the customs of men, are to be avoided according to the customs generally prevailing, so that a thing agreed upon and confirmed by custom or law of any city or nation may not be violated at the lawless pleasure of any, whether citizen or foreigner. For any part, which harmonizeth not with its whole, is offensive.\" Secondly, the lack of moderation in the use of these things may arise from the inordinate attachment of the user, the result being that a man sometimes takes too much pleasure in using them, either in accordance with the custom of those among whom he dwells or contrary to such custom. Hence Augustine says (De Doctr. Christ. iii, 12): \"We must avoid excessive pleasure in the use of things, for it leads not only wickedly to abuse the customs of those among whom we dwell, but frequently to exceed their bounds, so that, whereas it lay hidden, while under the restraint of established morality, it displays its deformity in a most lawless outbreak.\"\nIn point of excess, this inordinate attachment occurs in three ways. First when a man seeks glory from excessive attention to dress; in so far as dress and such like things are a kind of ornament. Hence Gregory says (Hom. xl in Ev.): \"There are some who think that attention to finery and costly dress is no sin. Surely, if this were no fault, the word of God would not say so expressly that the rich man who was tortured in hell had been clothed in purple and fine linen. No one, forsooth, seeks costly apparel\" (such, namely, as exceeds his estate) \"save for vainglory.\" Secondly, when a man seeks sensuous pleasure from excessive attention to dress, in so far as dress is directed to the body's comfort. Thirdly, when a man is too solicitous [*Cf. Question [55], Article [6]] in his attention to outward apparel.\nAccordingly Andronicus [*De Affectibus] reckons three virtues in connection with outward attire; namely \"humility,\" which excludes the seeking of glory, wherefore he says that humility is \"the habit of avoiding excessive expenditure and parade\"; \"contentment\" [*Cf. Question [143], Objection [4]], which excludes the seeking of sensuous pleasure, wherefore he says that \"contentedness is the habit that makes a man satisfied with what is suitable, and enables him to determine what is becoming in his manner of life\" (according to the saying of the Apostle, 1 Tim. 6:8): \"Having food and wherewith to be covered, with these let us be content;\"\u2014and \"simplicity,\" which excludes excessive solicitude about such things, wherefore he says that \"simplicity is a habit that makes a man contented with what he has.\"\nIn the point of deficiency there may be inordinate attachment in two ways. First, through a man's neglect to give the requisite study or trouble to the use of outward apparel. Wherefore the Philosopher says (Ethic. vii, 7) that \"it is a mark of effeminacy to let one's cloak trail on the ground to avoid the trouble of lifting it up.\" Secondly, by seeking glory from the very lack of attention to outward attire. Hence Augustine says (De Serm. Dom. in Monte ii, 12) that \"not only the glare and pomp of outward things, but even dirt and the weeds of mourning may be a subject of ostentation, all the more dangerous as being a decoy under the guise of God's service\"; and the Philosopher says (Ethic. iv, 7) that \"both excess and inordinate defect are a subject of ostentation.\"\nII-IIae, Q.169 a. 1.",
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"text": "Additionally, \nIn the next article:\n\"But those women who have no husband nor wish to have one, or who are in a state of life inconsistent with marriage, cannot without sin desire to give lustful pleasure to those men who see them, because this is to incite them to sin. And if indeed they adorn themselves with this intention of provoking others to lust, they sin mortally; whereas if they do so from frivolity, or from vanity for the sake of ostentation, it is not always mortal, but sometimes venial. And the same applies to men in this respect. Hence Augustine says (Ep. ccxlv ad Possid.): \"I do not wish you to be hasty in forbidding the wearing of gold or costly attire except in the case of those who being neither married nor wishful to marry, should think how they may please God: whereas the others think on the things of the world, either husbands how they may please their wives, or wives how they may please their husbands, except that it is unbecoming for women though married to uncover their hair, since the Apostle commands them to cover the head.\" Yet in this case some might be excused from sin, when they do this not through vanity but on account of some contrary custom: although such a custom is not to be commended.\"\nHowever, the standards for what excites men to lust are, in many ways, culturally and societally relevant. Not absolutely, but largely.",
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"text": "I would conclude, therefore, that even Bikinis on the beach, nowadays, do not do much to incite men to lust. But even here one must be careful, because not all Bikinis are the same. Some certainly seemed designed to do exactly that (a cursory glance at headlines from the UK's Daily Mail confirms this). \nHowever, I only meant to express by the word \"Bikini\" swimming attire for women with brief style bottoms and bra styled tops with exposed middles.",
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"text": "In conclusion I would say that you are right to identify many of \"pop fashion\" trends to be motivated by a sense of \"sexual liberation.\" I would hold that it has largely become normative in our society that it is acceptable to incite the opposite sex to lust through dress and action. Such dress and behavior must be avoided. \nAs said above, however, many things which incite to lust are simply culturally relative.",
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"text": "Nevermind, didn't find the Pr\u00fcmmer....where on eath does he deal with modesty?\nAnyhow, the Jone distinction (around para 146 iirc) is between indecent (those parts Aquinas refers to as pudor), less becoming and always becoming. Those parts that are pudor, the privates e.g., it is always a mortal sin to expose to another of another sex, unless for grave reason or to one's spouse. Also inherently immodest to draw attention to those parts.\nAs I said, don't have Jone handy, but I am certain of the distinction and such, often in other terms, I have found elsewhere....maybe I can pick another moralist if you would prefer...",
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"text": "At least PM me if you find the relevant passage. I would be very interested in the argument.",
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"text": "It might have to be tomorrow....my computer is balking at PDFs right now, and most of my hardbacks are in storage/\nIn the meantime, I finally found Pius XII here (many people quote him on this, but never give a citation)\n\"It is always difficult to indicate with universal norms the border-line between seemliness and shamelessness because the moral evaluation of attire depends on many factors. However, the so-called relativity of fashions with respect to times, places, persons, and education is not a valid reason to renounce a priori a moral judgment on this or that fashion which, for the time being, violates the limits of normal decency....\n... Yet, no matter how broad and changeable the relative morals of styles may be, there is always an absolute norm to be kept after having heard the admonition of conscience warning against approaching danger: style must never be a proximate occasion of sin....\n...The garment must not be evaluated according to the estimation of a decadent or already corrupt society, but according to the aspirations of a society which prizes the dignity and seriousness of its public attire.\nIt is often said almost with passive resignation that fashions reflect the customs of a people. But it would be more exact and much more useful to say that they express the decision and moral direction that a nation intends to take: either to be shipwrecked in licentiousness or maintain itself at the level to which it has been raised by religion and civilization.....\nThe sound consistency of your principles will be put to the test by the so-called modern spirit, which cannot bear hindrance. And it will be tried by the same indifference of many toward the moral consideration of styles. The most insidious of sophisms are usually repeated to justify immodesty and seem to be the same everywhere. One of these resurrects the ancient saying ab assuetis non fit passio (\"The passions are not aroused by things we are accustomed to\") in order to brand as old-fashioned the rebellion of honest people against fashions which are too bold. Must it perhaps be shown how out of place the ancient saying is in such questions?\nWhen We spoke of the absolute limits to be defended in the relativism of style, We mentioned the unfounded character of another fallacious opinion according to which modesty is no longer appropriate in the contemporary era which has now become free of all useless and ruinous scruples.\nIt can certainly be conceded that there are different degrees of public morality according to the times, the nature, and the conditions of the civilization of individual peoples. But this does not invalidate the obligation to strive for the ideal of perfection and is not a sufficient reason to renounce the high degree of morality that has been achieved, and which manifests itself precisely in the great sensitivity with which consciences regard evil and its snares.\nhttp://www.sspxasia.com/.../Catholic_Morality/Fashions.htm (I wish there were a better site....I found it in AAS too, but why translate that when another has done it?)\nMaybe this makes it clear that while I am certainly with you on some points, an article of clothing, designed to tantalize, and in accordance with that end was named after the site of the testing of the hydrogen bomb, and which is less functional and worse as swimwear than say one-piece or even more modest two pieces\nI figure I have no warrant to quote from the American bishops, who did explicitly mention men exiting the house without a shirt on as horrible depravity....seeing as I mock those same bishops for condemning ballroom dancing.\nETA: It does seem you may be using bikini to mean two-piece. I am not sure what sense the Church had in mind when, among very few specific fashions that it did so with, it condemned bikinis (and hot pants). It was with the first Miss World thing, and Pius XII helped get the garment outlawed in many countries.\nSSPXAsia.com: Fashions\n[1] Reported in Osservatore Romano, November 9, 1957. Italian text. Translation based in part on one released by N.C.W.C. News Service.\nSSPXASIA.COM",
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"text": "Daniel, the notion of an intact hymen as a sign of physical virginity has largely been discredited by medical professionals precisely for the reasons I've noted. According to recent studies, for example, less than half of all women bleed when they first have sex, and even an examination of the hymen itself by a physician cannot determine whether sex has occurred. Thus, the presence (or non-presence) of a hymen is not a physical sign of virginity in any woman, including the BVM. The articulation of the doctrine \"during birth\", as far as I can tell, stems from a) a misunderstanding of female anatomy, and b) a dangerous association between virginity and the presence of the hymen. If, however, we think more carefully about the phrase \"virgo INTACTA . . . in partu\", we can develop a slightly different understanding of the doctrine. \"Intacta\" meaning \"untouched\" by any man is not problematic for me. And \"intacta\" meaning \"whole\" or \"unbroken\" is not problematic if we dismiss the presence of a hymen altogether, or if we consider that the hymen can stretch, or that the female body is capable of a tortuous degree of stretching and changing during birth. For Mary's labor to happen painlessly and without tearing is quite miraculous enough. The advantages of the explanation I offer is that it a) avoids assuming the existence of something whose existence ought not to be assumed; b) avoids the erroneous, dangerous, and irrelevant association of the hymen with physical virginity; and c) preserves the important part of the doctrine, i.e. that Mary knew no man sexually, and that hence Christ's father was Divine. Whether or not the men who wrote the doctrine intended this or another understanding of the word \"intacta\" is perhaps analogous to how \"Extra ecclesiam nulla salus\" can be \"reformulated positively\"(CCC 846), without changing the original wording. And as for the passage from Ezekiel, one doesn't need to interpret it physically; she can \"shut\" her womb to men by her own free choice. Samantha?",
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"text": "Both Augustine and Aquinas were well aware that the hymen could be broken in other ways. Aquinas explicitly says that when that happens it has no bearing on virginity. Only when broken through intercourse does it haev a connection, and an accidental one at that\nAnd Vatican I's condemnation of the evolution of dogmas prevents us from giving a sense other than that which was meant at the time, to this or any other dogma (EENS is a can of worms there, a rabbit hole that should be avoided unless it can get central attention...)",
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"text": "I hate that this thread has some good discourse going on ... There is no way I can catch up even during night time feedings...",
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"text": "Yes, I realize that A & A made that distinction. But unless I missed something in the quotations provided, I didn't see any evidence that they were aware that a woman could be born without a hymen at ALL. It's this fact, rather than the non-sexual perforation of the hymen, which has a bearing on interpreting the word \"intacta\".",
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"text": "Why? A man can be born with 6 fingers, or 4 toes....I see no bearing merely because some women lack a hymen",
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"text": "Because if the BVM had no hymen, then giving birth \"intacta\" (in the sense of being \"unbroken\") makes much more sense than if she had a hymen, and somehow a baby had to get through it without breaking it. Given the doctrine as an article of faith, it makes more sense to interpret it in a way that makes sense with what we know about anatomy.",
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"text": "And, mine is a more palatable explanation of the doctrine in the context of evangelizing, when people are curious about what they must believe as a Catholic. I don't see that my explanation is heretical in any way, though it does demand less of the believer in terms of what is to be believed.",
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"text": "Monica, I think your argument is very persuasive. However, it does seem that your position would challenge the Church's position on the \"non-evolution\" of dogma. \nAlso, I gave what might be described as a \"mystical\" argument for the fittingness of the Blessed Virgin Mary's possessing even the accidental physical signs. \nDoesn't the position that I laid out make better sense of the dogma and the tradition? While at the same time, it does not violate anything proven by science.",
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"text": "So granted that Ezekiel doesn't need to be interpreted that way, isn't there a greater fittingness if the physical signs were there.",
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"text": "Daniel, I do think that the way you're interpreting it is closer to what the Fathers/Doctors themselves would have believed. However, my point is that what they believed about female anatomy was flawed. Moreover, nobody's proffered textual evidence that it's an article of faith to believe THAT Mary had a hymen. Yes, we have the phrase \"virgo intacta\", but the word \"intacta\" doesn't mean \"has a hymen\". It can, as I have shown, be interpreted in a way that aligns with modern medical knowledge. Finally, I reject the phrase \"physical signs\", accidental or non accidental, since (as I have argued) there are no true physical signs of virginity--especially in the case of a woman who has no hymen to start with.",
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"text": "Re. \"non-evolution\" - yes, I can understand your point about the danger, and I'm genuinely interested in figuring out whether my interpretation of the doctrine would be doctrinally acceptable. Aside from TNET, I've never seen/heard this issue discussed seriously, but I think it is an important topic especially given contemporary feminist criticisms of the historical fixation on the hymen as a proof of virginity.",
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"text": "Also, I'm curious about how pushing an 8 lb baby through a thin membrane without tearing it would be explicable without violating what we know from science.",
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"text": "So, the dogma mentions explicitly that Mary was virgin \"during\" the birth of Christ. Unless one would hold that they were attempting to exclude the possibility that someone was having sexual intercourse with the Virgin during birth, then it seems that we are forced to accept that it is Dogma that the Virgin has a hymen and that it is still intact. \nI suppose, then, that though the Council Fathers may have erred in their understanding of female anatomy, the Holy Spirit allowed this formulation and it seems we are bound to find a ratio for it. \nAlso, I will not use the phrase physical signs any longer in order to not offend. However, I think one can legitimately talk about something being a \"sign\" even if that sign is not a necessary sign.",
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"text": "Here is St. John Paul II's catechesis on Mary's perpetual Virginity:\nhttp://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm31.htm\nTHE CHURCH PRESENTS MARY AS\nMary's perpetual virginity was the subject of the Holy Father's catechesis at the General Audience of...\nEWTN.COM",
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"text": "I posted a quote from that earlier (TNET eternal return). It seems to be more ordered toward answering those certain protestants that believe that the BVM had other children. The \"during\" is never addressed",
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"text": "This is really an issue of Mary being Theotokos and is more about special privileges being given to her than making implications about other women.\nGoing to work, but using the writings on the Sacred Heart (which have a lot to do with physicality) - what was not assumed would not be redeemed. Mary would not have been missing a body part or it would not have been redeemed.\nThe whole point is that the Blessed Virgin is the new Eve, Mother of all the living, and her Son the new Adam.\nSomething supernatural is beyond nature - therefore, science will be technically \"incompatible\" with miraculous occurrences - and the birth is referred to as miraculous and mysterious and without injury",
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"text": "I think that's probably the best way to understand it.",
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"text": "Mark Shea rounds up some \"in partu\" texts on Patheos (more pertinent than the ewtn article, and more damning to my explanation): http://www.patheos.com/.../2010/12/i-stand-corrected.html\nI stand corrected\nWay back in August 2009 I wrote concerning the in partu inviolability of Our Lady (i.e, that her hymen was...\nPATHEOS.COM",
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"text": "Going back to Michael Beitia's crypto-universalism. Let's discuss St Augustine's argument that the vast majority of people got to hell, and that this manifests God's justice better than if more people were saved. Recall:\n\u00abhe who destroyed in himself a good which might have been eternal, became worthy of eternal evil. Hence the whole mass of the human race is condemned; for he who at first gave entrance to sin has been punished with all his posterity who were in him as in a root, so that no one is exempt from this just and due punishment, unless delivered by mercy and undeserved grace; and the human race is so apportioned that in some is displayed the efficacy of merciful grace, in the rest the efficacy of just retribution. For both could not be displayed in all; for if all had remained under the punishment of just condemnation, there would have been seen in no one the mercy of redeeming grace. And, on the other hand, if all had been transferred from darkness to light, the severity of retribution would have been manifested in none. But *many more are left under punishment than are delivered from it, in order that it may thus be shown what was due to all.* And had it been inflicted on all, no one could justly have found fault with the justice of Him who takes vengeance; whereas, in the deliverance of so many from that just award, there is cause to render the most cordial thanks to the gratuitous bounty of Him who delivers.\u00bb (Civ. Dei XXI,12)\nIs he right?",
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"text": "how did I get to be a crypto-universalist?",
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"text": "and yes, Augustine is right.",
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"text": "Well, Daniel, maybe I simply disagree with the Fathers and we'll leave it at that. I'll have to go through that Patheos article and read/think about the excerpts carefully. P.S. Unless you're Peregrinesque, don't stop using a phrase you think has merit because you're worried about offending me or anyone else; I think we're all pretty good at disagreeing with each other without letting feelings get in the way.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, I accussed you whilst you were off watching football.",
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"text": "and unlike a universalist, I have no problem saying that if that is the case that ensouled zygotes pass with the menstrual cycle, unbeknownst to the mother, have original sin, and consequently do go to hell",
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"text": "I have lots to say about that, Pater Edmund, but it will have to wait til nap time. Labor me vocat",
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"text": "OK, it seems I have a minute. Obviously, Augustine has to be right that all humanity is justly condemned, and God would be just to leave any number, great or small, of us to damnation. The problem to me comes in with these arguments about why God allows most to be condemned. First of all, he is assuming something we don't know, namely that most are not saved. Secondly, God's justice is more than amply displayed in Jesus's sacrifice. Scripture is clear that God desires all men to be saved (1st Timothy 2:4). He did not send his son to die for us merely to display his justice and mercy, but because he loves us. Augustine's explanation seems to leave that out.",
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"text": "I've read a lot of Augustine and I don't think he ever accounts for 1st Timothy 2:4 in a satisfactory way.",
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"text": "But my point is about the specific argument Pater Edmund posted",
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"text": "hey Matthew J. Peterson I heard you like TNET so I put TNET in your TNET so you can TNET while you TNET",
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"text": "Well, Poncho, looks like the Zuckerberg done took away all our Panama Red.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71n3PtdQWF4\nWillie Nelson - The Party's Over\nTrack 7 of the 1967 LP 'The Party's Over'\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "BUT BEFORE THE LAST LIGHTS ARE OUT, this being largely one of them TAC threads, it's only fitting to pour some whiskey on it and piss out all the fires.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMdoGet2A8\nThe Parting Glass - Peter Hollens - Assassin's Creed 4\nAlbum Pre-Order: http://www.pledgemusic.com/peterhol...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Be careful: they can all see your footprints or they will see them tonight when I reopen the thread.",
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"text": "Hey, man, don't put this on me. I posted a link, you started a cult, the two are dissimilar. ",
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"text": "The only time your nerdfest line has been mentioned is when I mentioned once that no one had mentioned it. So strange.",
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"text": "I reposted a link you posted.\nA link I'm pretty sure I posted earlier along with everyone else months ago.\nWho am I to argue with what sprang forth?!?\nLike a bizarre growth from a potato.",
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"text": "And then Joel HF objected, saying \u00aba bit of a stretch, to put it mildly, at least as far the \"[marriage] bed and the conjugal act\" are concerned. This act and this place are of their nature private, and not common, goods.\u00bb",
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"text": "And then I posted the continuation of the above quote: \u00abThis comprehensive power of the conjugal act seems to be the reason for a curious way of speaking characteristic of this vision of marriage: the natural end or good of sex is the procreation and education of children. Thomas writes, \u201cThe end which nature intends from within sex (ex concubitu) is the procreation and education of offspring.\u201d How does sex educate children? Not as an educational display. That much is clear. The point is, rather, the power of sex in building an intimate space, the core of a larger home, in which children can be welcomed as guests, grow and be educated. \nIn the Odyssey, this intimate space is brought out negatively by the absence of Odysseus during Telemachus\u2019 childhood and adolescence. It is brought out positively by Penelope\u2019s faithfulness to it during the same twenty years, despite the pressure of her many suitors\u2014a decisively important factor in Telemachus\u2019 growth into a mature man. \nIt is in this manner that sex is unitively procreative. The union it produces is an open union that leads of itself to hospitality for children and other guests. One can see this essential role of procreation both from the side of the children and from the side of the parents. From the side of the children, the wider space of a home that is built up from the more intimate space created by the love of husband and wife is exactly the space children need. They need it to be conceived in a way fitting for persons.... they also need it to grow and receive their education in the right setting, in a house animated by a spirit of love. From the side of the parents, the gift of children completes and fulfills the interior space of union which their love creates. The pain of couples who are unable to have children is a testimony to the greatness and joy of this fulfillment, despite the labors and difficulties that come with it.\u00bb",
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"text": "are you taking \"space\" metaphorically in to sense of \"grounding\" or \"clearing\" in the Heideggerian manner?",
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"text": "Aren't all private goods ordered to common goods in some way or another? And procreation is decidedly a private good. I also don't see, at least not clearly, why STA must be taken as saying that \"sex educate[s] children\" when he says that \"[t]he end which nature intends from within sex (ex concubitu) is the procreation and education of offspring.\"",
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"text": "In so far as the conjugal act is concerned, they are. My seed vs. yours. If you want, I can start pulling up biological papers on how male animals compete to impregnate the females. There is strong evidence that this is true even in humans.",
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"text": "but since the child is the production of two, it can't be private, no?",
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"text": "I'm still not following. What is the \"it\" here: \"since the child is the production of two, it can't be private\"? (Sorry I'm being so dense!)",
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"text": "You fail to note that Thomas Aquinas College requires more years in the study of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas than most colleges require minutes. I would be particularly interested in reading Caitlin Griffith's thesis.",
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"text": "The it refers to the exclusion of the suitors, or like you said, *my* child not *yours* which Odysseus understands given his treatment of the suitors.",
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"text": "tell that to the Social Security Administration......",
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"text": ". . . . a defect in our laws that sees nothing as private or off limits to the state. I think the Roman law is better if not entirely right. The state long ago crossed and transgressed the threshold.",
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"text": "Samantha, you think marriage should be cum manu or not?",
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"text": "trouble maker. Anyways marriage law and marriages are pretty screwed up, not to mention family law. Discussion is impossible because of confusion. Livy reported that there was no record of divorce for the first 300 years (though the records had been destroyed at the sacking of the Gauls.)",
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"text": "TNET!!!!!!",
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"text": "After our duty to God comes that to our parents. The filial bonds have been severed. If the Romans erred, it was less than ours which has unbound all ties while leaving the individual entirely at the mercy / disposal of the state.",
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"text": "I forgot to say this earlier but: LEEEEEEERRRRRRROOOYYY *JENKINS*!",
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"text": "I am curious as to the conclusions of your experiment, Matthew J. Peterson.",
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"text": "Wait, just catching up...",
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"text": "this was all just a cruel experiment??",
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"text": "What are we to you, Matthew J. Peterson??",
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"text": "It's like you shot us all up with heroine and then took it away!! Did you not think of the consequences??",
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"text": "Your individual needs are inferior and subservient to the DEMANDS of political SCIENCE!",
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"text": "Also, Michael Beitia, time for you to make good on your trash talk. Wasn't I supposed to be writhing in the crushing grip of your syllogistic megatisms?",
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"text": "And whoa - the words \"go to hell\" were actually used. I thought people were exaggerating about that, but no.",
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"text": "shocking, right? all of it",
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"text": "WE'RE BACK!!",
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"text": "I do enjoy that you and Tom were kicking around there in the infinite empty space of TNET while the rest of us were panicking",
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"text": "Samantha, you're on repeat...",
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"text": "*making* and *sound*\nSo does your husband have rights over you or your father.....",
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"text": "Pavlovian experiment for Peterson's class: \"troll response conditioning of Thomists.\"",
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"text": "So really, wasn't Hegel right about the procession of world spirit in the realization of freedom?",
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"text": "and Peterson, you haven't talked about the Federalist Papers *at all*....",
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"text": "Well, during that brief hiatus, my marriage improved, I reconnected with my children, and rediscovered my purpose in life. \nMan, am I glad TNET is back!",
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"text": "Legal rights, no. Moral rights, sure.",
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"text": "My internet is too lousy, guess I have to actually work. Later y'all.",
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"text": "So is it agreed that children are private belonging to parents (and God) but for the common good (among which God is first)? And that the end of the marital union (in itself private) has the education (broadly speaking) of children as its highest end though the sanctification of spouses is not to be trivialized as an end of marriage? At least we are not \"autonomous\" cogs of the state (or Peterson's experiment).",
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"text": "John, that sounds right. How about elaborating on the supposed advantages of Roman law?",
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"text": "legally, we may be owned by TNET, a subsidiary of Peterson's Labs. But I don't know if that extends to progeny.",
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"text": "if we had Roman custom, how could I tell my wife apart from my daughter? They'd have the same name....",
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"text": "no. Only daughters have the same name. That was what the Romans used math for (eg. Iulia Prima . . Iulia secunda . .etc. That was kind of weird but the boys weren't much different: viz. Decimus, Quintus and Sextus.)",
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"text": "how many Julias were there?",
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"text": "Or you could have a Julia and a Julilla",
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"text": "Roman disadvantage, we belong like property to dad. modern advantage, we're not property.",
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"text": "Everybody go look at today's google doodle!!!",
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"text": "It is so great!",
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"text": "Wait, when did TNET return? Or did it really disappear?",
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"text": "what, it's back?!",
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"text": "(Ok, slight exaggeration but still...)",
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"text": "Sorry, what do you mean, modern Roman law?",
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"text": "Is that what John is talking about?",
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"text": "Actually, you're all wrong - true Roman law defers to the principle that everyone belongs to Dean Martin.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYd_8I44YL8\nDean martin- You Belong To me\nThis song makes me cry. Visit my channel! \uff06 Suscribe!\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "That \"some\" is the undefined. Moreover you agreed above that children belonged to their parents.",
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"text": "that's why I put 'em to work. DO THE DISHES!",
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"text": "\"belong\" is said in many ways",
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"text": "But when the parents die or disown the children, the children, having no legal identity, lose their names - as a result, they are \"facies sine nomini\", for which reason they are sent back to Houston.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rt1VicF5-0\nDean Martin - Houston\nDean Martin on TV, singing and covering his mouth with a harmonica through \"Houston\".\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Yeah, what JA said.",
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"text": "Do people call you JA? What is your actual name?",
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"text": "Ah, but all your base are belong to us.",
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"text": "^^re-phrase?",
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"text": "The honor owed to the state would be much clearer if America's laws were like, e.g., German law where, when one gets married, one must go to the Standesamt, the office in each city which certifies marriage. Then, if one wants a church wedding, one can have that too. But the state controls marriages.",
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"text": "Samantha I prefer \"His Highness\"",
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"text": "well, I like you, JA, but I'm not calling you that",
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"text": "Also, seasons?",
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"text": "Yes, there are seasons here. That's a fact of naychure. Usually what people want is northeastern fall, however. So drive up to NorCal and get a taste.",
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"text": "If we pretend that California has real seasons, then the Bay Area might answer. Though there aren't *really* mountains. But I maintain that Portland fits all the the categories mentioned. Everything south fails one way or the other.",
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"text": "Although, does it have to be in the US? Maybe Vancouver? Holy cow, I think Caleb Cohoe has gotten to Samantha! Resist Canada Samantha! Resist it!",
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"text": "Wasn't the \"Straus House\" in Claremont? Peterson, I think you have a very loose definition of walkable. I will admit a partiality to the inland empire.",
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"text": "Claremont by the colleges is all Craftsman homes and walkable/cute downtown village area. Even outside of that it's great for biking and walking. Wilderness trail a mile or so from Strauss house - saw a bear there once.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson--you sound like Ron and Sheila Albertson at the end of Waiting for Guffman: \"Well, here we are in the land of dreams,\nand don't let anybody tell you dreams can't come true. We're an hour from the snow, we're 20 minutes from the ocean, And we're gonna get there one of these days. Soon as we get a car. We don't have a car yet. Who wants to add to the pollution? We consider ourselves bl-coastal if you consider [Lake Erie] one of the coasts'",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson is right, NorCal is my ideal, but we'd move to Claremont in half a freaking second if Caleb got a job there. But then, who am I kidding, we'd move to Austin in half a second if Caleb got a job at UT.",
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"text": "\"Can you smell the salt in the air?\" Best line of the movie.",
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"text": "And yes, I like urban density if I'm in a city. But like I said, my list is disjunctive. The point is, Houston had *none* of those things",
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"text": "Houston does have NONE of those things, but my earlier claim about the cultural glories of Houston was based on an IF/THEN: IF one must live in Texas, then Houston is the best. Just wait until Caleb gets a job offer at Rice!",
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"text": "Hahaha...great line.\nBut you don't have to believe it. \nThe village in Claremont is small about as walkable as it gets, I can and do drive up to the mountains in 10 minutes.\nAnd I walk to my work. \nWe also walk to Trader Joe's, mass, good restaurants, grocery stores and pretty much anything else you could imagine.\nBut we have a wonderful deal re the beautiful house we rent, and I do drive a long commute for my other job - because I don't have a tenure track one here - so in a sense this is all fiction.\nBut with the right position here, yes, you can have it all.",
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"text": "sooo..... is Claremont hiring an ancient philosopher this year?",
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"text": "Is this a good time to go back to the subject of how TAC should be more ordered to worldly success?",
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"text": "Similarly, you can walk to a lot in Santa Monica. All you need is for daddy to have been an ambassador and you to be his errant communist leaning daughter.",
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"text": "Or else you just need your Californian parents to NOT HAVE SOLD THEIR HOUSE ON THE CENTRAL COAST TO MOVE TO FRICKING OHIO.",
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"text": "The problem with TAC being ordered to worldly success is that, if you drink the kool aid there, you've already failed by worldly standards.",
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"text": "How mad do you think the fine folks at Kool Aid are that it wasn't even Kool Aid that was served at Jonestown?",
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"text": "Some executive is pulling out his hair and screaming \"Damn it all! It was *Flavor Aid*!\"",
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"text": "Jody , I agree. We could make it a competition and award this trophy for the prize!",
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"text": "A little fun with google. I just could not resist finding an image of a troll trophy. Mea culpa, Peregrine. I mean no harm http://concordiamn.prestosports.com/.../20130919tnj1c2\nThe Ugliest Rivalry Trophy In The Nation\nConcordia will renew its rivalry with St. Olaf on Saturday with the winner getting to take home the ugliest rivalry...\nCONCORDIAMN.PRESTOSPORTS.COM|BY PRESTOSPORTS",
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"text": "At the risk of bringing this thread down, my old business partner's wife is on full life support, following multiple cardiac arrests and the installation of an artificial heart. Her lungs are now failing and the family is begging prayers. They have a baby son. Take a moment if you have it.",
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"text": "\"Why Jane Austen is indisbutably great...\" hahaha that gave me a chuckle ",
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"text": "Samantha - *indisputably. Been taking spelling lessons from Jane again?\n...I tease, I tease! ",
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"text": "I wondered why this kept coming up on my newsfeed, and then I saw that this thread had over 16.5k comments.\nPeterson, I'm sure that this is the most press TAC has ever gotten. You should bill them.",
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"text": "Don't forget the part where TAC was founded by heretics and is a heretic factory. That is kind of what got the engine going. Then there was the whole thing about who Peregrine really is and what is in his political past. So many topics, so little time!",
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"text": "how can you summarize the ineffable?",
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"text": "Are we just reminiscing about the golden age of tnet?",
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"text": "apparently...\nScott!? Where are you?",
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"text": "The gimp is sleeping. In this case, don't wake him up (sorry: I just saw the 20th-anniversary edition of Pulp Fiction on the big screen tonight).",
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"text": "Off topic again: In Scotus and others, what do the abbreviations stand for? E.g. lib. 4 dist. 1. qu. 7 n.2 . I know lib. and qu. Is dist. 'distinction'? What is n.?",
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"text": "Is this back??!",
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"text": "Adrw Lng, it never left...we left it!",
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"text": "I probably missed something obvious there.... JA Escalante, any more useful abbreviations for citing scholastic texts?",
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"text": "yeah, tl;dr",
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"text": "Quaestiuncula could be a cute nickname for TNET",
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"text": "Very funny!",
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"text": "TNET bears more resemblance to Aristotle's Problems.",
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"text": "I've really been away from TAC too long. I came back to browse this EPIC thread a little and then skipped to the end, and it took me awhile to realize that Catherine Ryland indeed was not requesting information for how to cite opinions from the Supreme Court of the United States. Oh yeah, the OTHER SCOTUS. \nSomeone print this all out and make a book of it. It's amazing.",
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"text": "Hi people.",
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"text": "Here I was trying to be helpful \nIn all seriousness though, anyone think Scott will be back?",
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"text": "People: Hi John Boyer",
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"text": "Daniel P. OConnell, you mean it's spurious?",
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"name": "James Layne",
"text": "I hope he was banned. What a troll. I saw some of his rambling above. He's either unhinged or completely insincere. That he sincerely believes what he writes is inconceivable.",
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"text": "John Boyer: Ha, no. Just in terms of the structure. A series of problems posed and answered ... as long as one cuts out the goatfeathers ... although those are sometimes the most enjoyable part.",
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"text": "I feel like with the length of this thread someone should insert a rambling diatribe about their philosophy of history. ",
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"text": "and maybe some Townes Van Zandt... #whynot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGOxo0KDMs&index=7...\nI'll Be Here In The Morning (Townes Van Zandt)\nThe sun is rising, and despite the clouds and blowing...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Thank you for your help, Joshua! That is splendid.",
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"text": "So, is this the wake for TNET? If it is, I want to know final stats.",
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"text": "where's Scott when you need some poetry?\n\"that's the way the TNET ends\nthat's the way the TNET ends\nThat's the way the TNET ends\nnot with a bang but a whimper.\"",
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"text": "Just the dark ages of TNET. Everyone is busy doing penance, or \"working\".",
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"text": "Reports of TNET\u2019s demise are greatly exaggerated. Especially since these are just a few of the topics we haven\u2019t discussed yet:\nAmerica: Just how blindingly obvious is it that America was founded on evil enlightenment principles? or We totally used to sing songs that sound like they could be understood to refer to the common good in some way!\nVaccination: Does vaccination hurt kids?\nAgrarianism: Only for well-heeled white folks with rich fantasy lives? or Why the lower classes just need to accept their hunger pangs, periodic food shortages are totally ordered to the common good!\nCapitalism: Evil and contrary to CST? or Those kids in China WANT to work 16 hours shifts totally by their own free choice in those lovely factories and no Pope has ever written against it ever! (Except for Francis, Benedict XVI, JPII, Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XI, etc.)",
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"text": "How about this Mike (can I call you Mike?)-- Paul says god \"overlooked the times of ignorance.\" Maybe that's how I account for history while denying that the majority of people necessarily go to hell.",
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"text": "Predestination is always good as well.",
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"text": "Predestination is good. Let's all cherry pick our favorite Bible quotes:\nJer. 25:27",
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"text": "Oh so it's fine to quote popes, but as soon as I cite the Bible it's \"cherry picking\"",
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"text": "Papists",
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"text": "Papists (other than those that agree with me) love to cherry pick quotes from popes. But we can save that for the Capitalism discussion.",
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"text": "In Communism, man is slave to the state. In Capitalism, man is slave to the corporation.",
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"text": "Sed contra \"Russia, China, Cuba, etc. etc. weren't *really* Communist states, so Marx's theories are still valid.\" And also, \"Yes, that's true of *Crony* Capitalism, but true Capitalism hasn't been tried yet. Once the state gets out of the way, you'll see. Utopia for everyone.\"",
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"text": "let's not talk theory here, (conra TAC) but let's talk real existing socialism, or real existing capitalism. \nFact: the skeleton in the closet of capitalist economies is that if you go far enough down it rests on real or virtual slave labor.",
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"text": "Predestination: Is the Calvinist (and Lutheran?) view really different from STA, and if so how and how much? (I have no clue myself. One of you schmahrties can let me know.)",
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"text": "yeah. This is exactly how capitalism and communism work. There are flaws in the theoretical. What we have seen is what you get.",
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"text": "As far as real, existing stuff goes, I'd prefer to be in America over the last century than in Russia - and so would everyone else here, despite the pretensions of parity.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson This is true, and one could substitute China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, in my proposed questions above, did you note how irenically I phrased the two options on America's founding?",
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"text": "And we are never supposed to use the \"if you don't like it, leave it for some place better\" argument because being grateful for what we have is somehow immoral in this day and age and that argument is silly because...we likes to be close to the precious even as we hateses it, I suppose.\nEh.",
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"text": "Also, we are never supposed to listen to people from other countries who like it here or any immigrant story of success because that's all just propaganda.",
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"text": "In an ideal world, those people wouldn't have to come here, and therefore we suck.",
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"text": "nothing wrong with being grateful, *however*, it is important to understand how un-utopian it really is. \nHow much U-S-A U-S-A!!!!!! chest thumping do we really need?",
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"text": "In an ideal world, we could choose other options other than the one's that have actually existed over the last century even as America corrupts itself.",
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"text": "I don't see a lot of USA thumping anywhere.",
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"text": "I mouse over your facebook picture and I see 130 mutual friends.....",
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"text": "I see a lot of watered down Zinn and a (justifiably and understandably) dispirited people.",
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"text": "If I said something patriotic I would have droves of ironic naysayers and critiques underneath the status chiding me for saying something so base and stupid.",
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"text": "Gotta go talk about The Federalist THE WHOLE TIME.\nPeace.",
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"text": "In order to critique and reform well, it's important to wrestle with what is good and bad now - too easy to go to extremes either way, of course.\nBut the rah rah extreme is rare in education, and the poo poo extreme is usually done very poorly and just as if not more dishonestly.",
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"text": "I see a lot of chest thumping. That or hatred for the wrong things. Very little real self examination.",
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"text": "Here\u2019s what bugs me: Yes America is better than many places in the world (and not just because we get to be the rich consumers and they get to be chained to a factory bench to provide us our goodies). Yet even so the answer simply cannot be to always demand fewer regulations and lower taxes as if that were the answer to everything. It seems that this ignores the plight of the poor, not just at home, but those abroad who are made miserable here and now for our comfort. Doesn\u2019t social justice demand more from us?\nYet even if it were the case that capitalism makes everyone richer world-wide, and even if we assume the all but slave labor conditions in 3rd world countries would be *even worse* if it weren\u2019t for the multi-national conglomerates (unproven assumptions as far as I can tell), I\u2019d still have serious, grave reservations about the capitalist system, and I\u2019m always surprised when I find people who claim to share my values who do NOT seem to have these reservations. \nDon\u2019t we all recognize that our society has become deadened to the higher things? That material excess and pleasures are, far too often, the only goods recognized? This is the result of capitalism as it has been practiced. I don\u2019t have any neat solutions, of course, but surely there ought to be an acknowledgment that endless consumption cannot be the only principle of our economic policies?",
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"text": "\"deadened to the higher things\". If the aim of the society not be higher, then there is no principle to check that of \"more commodious living\" as the guide to economic policy.",
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"text": "But it is a facile delusion to think we can correct the inequities. Our legislators do not write or read the laws and haven't for a while. Have you read that stuff?",
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"text": "Profit over People is golden",
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"text": "You guys are just mad because you're poor",
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"text": "As I've said before, Social justice is when I am safely within the top 1%. Until then, no justice, no peace!",
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"text": "Where's Pater Edmund? He should be into this \"deadened to higher things\" stuff.",
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"text": "No. I don't care about being poor. Poverty is underrated.",
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"text": "Poor? who said anything about being poor?",
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"text": "Michael, you did, like 1000 times. 1000 or the 16000 comments on this thread are you complaining about being poor.",
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"text": "First it was TAC's fault, now it's capitalism's fault.",
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"text": "It's possible I'm reading between the lines here a little",
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"text": "He's just jealous of your boots, Samantha. Ignore him.",
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"text": "HAHA I love consumerism.",
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"text": "hang on, so if there is systemic oppression for the sake of cheap goods here (which means I can afford a television, cheap clothing etc) I'm complaining about it because I'm poor? There seems to be some sort of disconnect here.....",
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"text": "I was not actually attempting to make a serious comment.",
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"text": "Frye's are made in the USA! http://www.thefryecompany.com/made-in-usa",
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"text": "there can be no levity on TNET!",
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"text": "Chomsky is the BEST. GENIUS. HONEST. Haven't read him in a long while and his politics are whacked. I thinj that happens to everyone disillusioned with but stuck in the libertarian / communism spectrum. And he toasted the conservative \"voice of reason\" in a debate once to the point of getting threatened. I don't get the Chomsky hate. I am not a Chomskyite but he isn't a typical flatulant talking head.",
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"text": "Things are expensive when they aren't made by little slave kids.",
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"text": "for the record, TNET has now officially sanctioned my purchase of expensive boots.",
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"text": "in case anyone missed that.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe \"Things are expensive when they aren't made by little slave kids.\" Sometimes things are still expensive. I quote the poet, Jemaine:\n\"They\u2019re turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers \nBut what\u2019s the real cost, \u2018cause the sneakers don\u2019t seem that much cheaper.\nWhy are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves making them \nWhat are your overheads. \"",
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"text": "I strongly urge everyone to take a moment to watch this highly relevant clip.",
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"text": "Hey I posted that back in the Jurassic period of TNET",
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"text": "On TNET there is no before and after, no first and no last.",
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"text": "Now, in the Baroque period....",
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"text": "Kerouac? Anyone?",
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"text": "\"We're talkin bout the issues, but we're keepin it funky\" unofficial motto of TNET",
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"text": "I think John is right about poverty being underrated, but I think it's underrated in exactly the same way that all suffering is underrated.",
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"text": "[Oh my learned friends, does \"Div. Hieron.\" mean the divine Jerome? St. Jerome? Something else? You have all been so helpful in the past.]",
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"text": "How is poverty underrated?",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "According to Jesus, poverty is pretty important.",
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"text": "And generosity, if one has means, is necessary for salvation, or so says God.",
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"text": "Just like all suffering. \"blessed are the poor,\" \"blessed are those who mourn\"",
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"text": "born in a stable, no crib for a bed. King of kings and second person of the Trinity. Example one (Yes, Catherine.)",
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"text": "That's somewhat of a platitude compared to how the rest of the conversation was going...",
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"text": "Poverty and other suffering can just as easily lead to bad effects on the soul as good effects, but God has a special place for them in his plan",
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"text": "it isn't inherently a good thing, was my point",
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"text": "it is a platitude. But how does it jive with the maximization of profit as is demanded by our current Real existing Capitalism?",
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"text": "My point was more of a societal one. Poverty can't be underrated because it's an evil. So how does one rate an evil? I mean are we lumping below physical death?",
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"text": "Right, just like suffering. That's what I was saying.",
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"text": "We also imply a certain moral failure to poverty? Especially poverty that is not temporary",
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"text": "What did St. Francis call poverty?",
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"text": "\"We\"? just because poor people are lazy and stupid",
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"text": "Or we might imply that the moral failure lies with society.",
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"text": "Either way, poverty is an evil we always blame on something.",
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"text": "doesn't John Stossel have a bit every November on why not to give spare change to bums?",
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"text": "I feel like we equivocate when we say St. Francis and \"poverty\" and raise the minimum wage/ welfare and \"poverty\"",
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"text": "Franciscans definitely live a different sort of \"poverty\" than a single mom with four kids",
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"text": "There are distinctions. Correcting unjust acquisition is one thing. Eliminating poverty (and how do you define it) is another.",
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"text": "there is also a lot of equivocation between poverty and inequality.",
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"text": "I like a close to home (for some) example: What is the difference between an adjunct and a tenured professor?",
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"text": "hahahahaha",
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"text": "Please. Adjuncts need at least two part time jobs.",
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"text": "YEAH. That would be an injustice right under the hypocritical noses of policy wonks. . . . not to mention aging liberation theologians and their social teaching brethren.",
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"text": "Here's the thing, I can talk about poverty or inequality in my own line of vision and from what I can tell, that problem (with academia) is structural/institutional. I am not poor though insofar as a) I am single and have attendant mobility in that regard b) I have some marketable skills and one highly developed skill that I might peddle outside the tower.\nThat being said, if I say choose to keep teaching part time at colleges in Chicago and teach math on the side and work a slightly better than min wage job when things get tight, I am told that is my own choice. To which I totally agree. Does that change the structural problems with the academy? (no). Does my choosing to partake in that structure make it just in some way? Does it make me stupid to abide in the vicious circle? (Here's the moral judgment) Is it because \"I undervalue/overvalue poverty\"?",
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"text": "BTW, I ascribe no moral high ground to my choice in teaching Russian. Let's say it's my pride because I spent so long in doing it. Oh and I like it.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Seriously excellent study of poverty and work in the university context:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/How-University-Works.../dp/0814799752\nI highly recommend this book. It's polemical, but in a good way.\nHow the University Works: Higher Education and the Low-Wage Nation...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "Moral high ground aside, I wish our society valued teachers more",
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"text": "The problem is there are too many people who love their field within academia, and administrators are blatantly exploiting their love. It's not actually correct to say, as I often here, that the academic job market it \"oversupplied.\" Lots of teaching needs to be done at the academic level. The fact that tenure-track jobs are so hard to get is the result of administrators choosing to fill those teaching needs with adjunct slave labor, rather than full-time faculty.",
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"text": "My point was that those looking to cure societal \"inequalities\" need to look under there nose at home first. I am firmly against the camp of all are equal. I see where it has led.",
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"text": "Also, at the same time, that is not living in poverty in the way that living on the south side of Chicago is living in poverty, with no opportunities and no connections/ support network.",
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"text": "Right, adjunct usually have the ability to find better paying work outside the academy, but they stay because they love their field. Also, sunk costs.",
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"text": "But I digress",
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"text": "Adjuncts often make less than shoe string budget private school teachers. The university has no excuse. The early university guilds had the best model. A book and a teacher and maybe a rented roof. Still poor but at least students weren't debt slaves.",
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"text": "I would imagine that they always make less than school teacher. But since adjuncts are paid per class (regardless of hours), it is hard to tell.",
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"text": "I know what they are paid at one Jesuit institution. Pathetic.",
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"text": "I think it's pathetic across the board.",
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"text": "now compare that to other industries. Does the guy mopping the floor work any less hard than the guy bsing with corporate bigwigs on the golf course?",
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"text": "The causes of our present economic ills are not solved by leveling wages. The rot is worse and deeper.",
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"text": "explain to me how a college president can make 1000 times an adjunct and that's just. Leveling wages may not be *the* solution, or even *a* solution, it doesn't mean that there isn't a deep injustice here.",
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"text": "I agree. But correcting that unjust INequality is not what you had suggested above. The underlying causes . . . .",
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"text": ". . . . are little mentioned, little known and some, taboo. But nothing will be fixed until that system crashes.",
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"text": "I haven't suggested any solutions as yet, but like a good TAC grad, only criticized what I see.",
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"name": "Andrew Whaley",
"text": "I have the answer! Magisterium. Bwahahahahahaha!!",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "These facts make capitalism a hard pill to swallow:\nhttp://www.forbes.com/.../the-85-richest-people-in-the.../\nThe 85 Richest People In The World Have As Much Wealth As The 3.5 Billion Poorest\nAnd the top 1% control half the world's wealth.\nFORBES.COM|BY LAURA SHIN",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "^Somewhere justice as gone awry.",
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"text": "Daniel, Your objection presupposes a zero sum game and ignores the powerful force that capitalism and entrepreneurship have been in pulling people and countries out of poverty.",
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"text": "So... What are some ideas? Going back to the question of America... Is there some way to think about the problem of individualism as the virtues of capitalism distended to vices? I see this as attendant with a cynicism towards patriotism. Are there civic virtues to be fostered to create a greater responsibility towards your immediate poor? And how do we break out of the problem of all the bs around that? (Bill Gates will reward the newest condom ideas, but what about providing local support for parents in school options for their kids and time and energy to pursue those goods?)",
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"text": "Andrew, pulling some people out of poverty put putting others into poverty.",
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"text": "^^evidence for this?",
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"text": "Remember in the old examen how defrauding the worker of his wages used to fall under the 5th commandment?",
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"text": "Mr. Whaley, are none of those saved states saddled with unrepayable debt? And which of those humanity loving 85 entrepeneurs hold the non zero sum notes with interest?",
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"text": "I'm not for equalizing wages, but we do have to start to move towards paying workers (all workers) a living wage.",
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"text": "I think austerity laws are the more likely forecast. We wouldn't want to make the banks go hungry.",
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"text": "Sadly true.",
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"text": "John, I'm not familiar with private entrepreneurs loaning money to nations. I seem to remember the Drop the Debt and Jubilee initiatives being targeted at nations holding notes. \nMichael Beitia, Could you tell me the mechanism and give me an example of a nation that now has a lower standard of living than they had before their involvement with the free market? I don't mean a bigger gap with the West. I mean people who used to have bathrooms and clean water who now have to poop in a hole in the yard because Capitalism stole their money or standard of living.",
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"text": "Joel: here you go.\nAndrew, see also Detroit MI",
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"text": "I the D \u2014 Detroit will rise from the ashes. With no help from Capital, of course.",
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"text": "Furthermore, factories in China where the workers live in dormitories..... may be a higher standard of living. Prison is a higher standard of living than some inner cities. Let's help them all and put them in prison (oh, that's what we already do)",
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"text": "Isn't the situation with Argentina private citizens loaning money to nations?",
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"text": "Katie Duda, I know nothing of Argentina. \nMichael, So, wait. People making profit and obeying the market sunk Detroit? I seem to think it was giant labor unions making American car companies lose money while Toyota's American operation made more money selling the same number of better cars for less money, but not paying someone over $70 to put a bolt on. And, if living in overcrowded conditions and working long hours beats starving in a village, is that not an increase in standard of living? I don't want to do it, but I'll take it over starving, which seems to be what they were doing or they wouldn't move in to the city. Now, there may be governmental pressure, but that's not the market.",
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"text": "Mr. Whaley, I have a different take on the IMF. Money is power, always has been. And though Carnegie imported culture for the masses. He is part responsible for the conditions that made its importation necessary. Entrepreneurial philanthropist vs. robber baron view of these matters. Kind of like Gates: which helps to save more lives in Africa, condoms and vaccines or wells and clean water? And which is cheaper?",
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"text": "\"the market\" is kind of a myth. And if you think it is perfectly okay to close down American factories to build sweat shops in foreign countries - affecting the poor here and there - then I'm not sure we have the same copy of CST",
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"text": "Even aside from how well capitalism works to ease the immiseration of poverty (a great good, if only it could be proven), I'm reminded of the time someone remarked to Mr. Paietta (apropos of what I\u2019ve haven\u2019t the foggiest) that dogs have an exceptionally keen sense of smell, and he replied without batting an eye \u201cFor all the good it does them.\u201d\nLikewise, even ignoring the systematic injustices Katie and Michael have raised, it still seems to me that a wealthy capitalist society is like the dog that smells so keenly\u2014yes the society has a good deal of wealth, but can anyone really praise the use that is made of it?",
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"text": "You're such a radical, Beitia.",
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"text": "Beitia 2016: Put all the poor people in prison sweat shops",
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"text": "Are you guys seriously arguing that free markets haven't raised millions of people out of poverty?",
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"text": "I don't think it is \"ok\", but we can't keep a factory going and losing money and then the people selling that product they used to make need someone to produce it.",
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"text": "Unions did that.",
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"text": "Beitia 2016: three squares and cheap American made underwear. YES WE CAN!",
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"text": "S\u00ed se puede!\nSee Translation",
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"text": "Last I checked, Whaley, the garment companies are doing pretty well",
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"text": "I'm tagging in the illustrious David Quackenbush to channel George Gilder and set this straight, as I have to go do manual labor for tips and slightly above minimum wage, elitist that I am.",
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"text": "And people thought this thread was dead!",
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"text": "Hanes's stock has gone from 20 to 108 per share in the last five years, but they can't raise the wages in Haiti.......",
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"text": "I'm not arguing against capitalism. But it's not a force for good on its own. And I go back to my original critique of how is poverty a vice or a sign of vice ignores some serious problems",
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"text": "I'm not saying that all big companies are innocent, but that's a long way from capitalism forcing countries into poverty.",
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"text": "I am curious how people understand the argentine debt default though.",
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"text": "not countries, people\ncountries are mythological",
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"text": "So I'm going to interrupt with this BREAKING NEWS: Apparently the Diocese of Phoenix, where I work, is going to have \"the best educational technology professional development breakout sessions for Educator Day.\" Needless to say, I am quite excited - nay, delighted by this.\nThere is a suggested list of topics, but they are open to additional ones. Here are my suggestions:\n\"Stealing Fire From Heaven: A Hermeneutic Tract on the World Wide Web and the Fate of Prometheus\"",
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"text": "\"Where Have All The Chalkboards Gone? Luddite Nostalgia in Today's Teachers\"",
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"text": "\"The Mimic Has No Voice of His Own: The Philosophy of Photocopiers\"",
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"text": "I drink your milkshake.",
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"text": "\"Kindle-ing the fire in their hearts\" (Something like that)",
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"text": "I welcome your suggestions.",
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"text": "Invention and innovation create new markets and advance western civilizAtion in the 3rd world.",
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"text": "If technology advancement. Stopped then the communist arguments for distribution hold water, since it is just a process of trading existing goods. But if new kinds of goods are created that leapfrog current barriers reducing development costs material/labor greater time can be spent in academia and learning. The real product needing development is clean water and electricity. Both can be solved through nuclear proliferation.",
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"text": "The only true production is by the land and it is not a zero sum game. Moreover, new goods do not require new technology. We need to step back and perfect the old before we are all buried in broken wares from China.",
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"text": "Speaking as a canon law student who brings a Kindle to Church, there's no need to be a luddite - pretty sure prayer reflects what comes out more than what goes in.",
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"text": "But additive manufacturing is awesome and carbon fiber makes everything better.",
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"text": "\"the only true production is by the land.\" Sorry, what does this mean?",
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"text": "Natural growth I think.",
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"text": "Ok, that doesn't seem very relevant then",
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"text": "Sheesh, someone made a list of the topics I have views on that create the greatest screaming against me, and I wasn't here.\nMr. Neilll, giving state of the art tech to many developing countries creates massive social problems. The Amish may have taken it way too far, but their principle in whether to accept a new techology is based on their valuing labor and community....sometimes intermediate technology is how you raise people, all of them, out of poverty, rather than creating a modern city destined to return to squalor, as the countryside gets poor, by introducing leaps that mean greater production than can be absorbed by fewer people.",
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"text": "In anycase, I take Redeeming Economics by Mueller to be the definitive must read here. From the actual economics side.",
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"text": "Not if it is just referencing food, but wood and other materials are grown and are renewable.",
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"text": "I have no idea what you just tried to say. What is referencing food? And what does this have to do with growing things that are renewable? Antecedents and pronouns people! Come on.",
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"text": "The Middle East is a great study on that, rapid growth from Bedouin to civilization without the admixture of effort",
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"text": "Cell phones are horrible typing devices forgive me.",
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"text": "I responded to Jeff above. And it caused confusion.",
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"text": "Which nations does mueller take into study in his book?",
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"text": "The middle east is a terrible example. And has very little to do with the problem I mentioned. Sure, shitloads of cash for oil have a way of transforming a society. Not repeatable in most instances. I was refering the problem of introducing modern production into societies with pre-modern production still going on. The effect is usually devastating poverty for many. Intermediate steps, not leaps, are cheaper, can be done more widely, and avoid or mitigate the problems of increasing production too rapidly. \nWe only need to see the moral depravity of our own nation and the destruction of the family to see how technology is not always good in the concrete.",
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"text": "Mueller? Oh, he is not writing on developing nations but economic theory in general. Most studies he uses are of the US.",
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"text": "Mr. Neill, Marxist theory is actually looking forward to your fictional leap frogging technology. In reality, technology that outspaces labor creates disparity, not boatloads of leisure. If it worked as you think, Marx is right...you aren't a Marxist are you?",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Mueller is excellent in every way",
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"text": "I like the Middle East since it is a real example and modern issue; the closet American analogous society is Indian gaming. \nIndian gaming brought rapid growth and income to a society that was doomed to fail. However, if you provide a large amount of income to a society and do not require effort the society consumes more but does not necessarily advance.",
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"text": "What would you do if you were provided $20k/mo with no work requirement?",
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"text": "Is this redistribution? Is it working ?",
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"text": "Haha... I make no claims as to what I am. I believe in technology development, Risk management, identifying future problems and offering solutions (for a fee).",
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"text": "The problem in the Middle East is free money to citizens as long as there is oil and gas. The \"smart\" leaders realize. They only have 20 years left. So they need to work right now to develop both alternatives to oil as power as well as develop a new export or service. The fields they initially identified are education, manufacturing and medicine.",
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"text": "They desire to create a world class education system to develop an academic \"Mecca\" (pun intended) university system. The first thing they want to teach is English.",
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"text": "The challenge is nobody in the nation wants to go to school, since they already have more money than they can spend, without having to work for it.",
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"text": "Okay, best I can tell, I have no idea what conversation you are having...so have fun with it. I am honestly not following the trail of thought here.",
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"text": "George Gilder?! Mr. Whaley you jest....do we really need more clap-trap on this thread?",
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"text": "Thanks for the Mueller tip. That goes for Jehoshaphat as well.",
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"text": "I do not know of the \"clap-trap\" you refer to, as I've only dipped in and out of this thread. That being said, I think Gilder understands the nature of supply as a driver, the non-zero sum game that is our reality, and the risk/gift that underlies the entrepreneurial initiative.",
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"text": "I hear George Gilder and the Discovery Institute comes up...man doesn't understand nature.\nThat and his fantasy about moral capitalists...the man's version of reality is a nice fiction land. Maybe even capitalism as it ought to be, but not as it is.",
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"text": "Well, I wrote my thesis on business/entrepreneurship as a mode to embody love to human persons, consider myself both moral and an entrepreneur along the lines of his description, and would love some examples of how he misunderstands nature.",
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"text": "This is once again evidence that TAC grads don't study enough history. The closest American analogue to \"free economy\" was the industrial monopolists. Only through government intervention, violence, concessions by capital to labor, and more violence, did ANYTHING close to modern American economy come to be. It wasn't through the capitalists, but contra the capitalists",
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"text": "quick quiz A: Capital or B: Labor\n1: 40 hour work week\n2: elimination of child labor\n3: workman's comp\n4: pensions\n5: safer working conditions",
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"text": "Wow, you wrote a TAC thesis? And so??\nYou may be moral. But his view of the moral capitalist in na\u00efve. There are moral capitalists, sure. That wasn't the point.\nAnd you are a support of Intelligent Design too? Why do you reject St. Thomas, teleology, and the Aristotelian idea of nature?",
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"text": "Yes that was snarky. But come on, I wrote my thesis on predestination and God's universal salvific will, therefore I must have definitively answered that debate!\nBA theses are fun to read in the future...they are rather na\u00efve attempts usually, but good ones...clumsy gropings.",
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"text": "I don't deny what you say, Mr. Whaley. It is common in small to mid size business. But big business is mostly about busting balls. The nice guys are window dressing.",
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"text": "See the whole problem is the the system is not a mode to embody love. Man has went crazy. Good and bad people can equally be capitalists. And are. The system itself, insofar as one na\u00efvely considers Gilder's description to be reality, and not a construct meant to simplify things for the sake of an argument, is amoral. Gilder tries to make it moral per se and that is so absurd I don't think even he believes it.\nAnd I don't accept his construct, which is different than Novak's construct, and different than any other number of constructs vaguely called capitalism.",
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"text": "that's why it is impossible to get them to speak of \"Real Existing Capitalism\" or REC as I refer to it",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, I think I may have misread your question/statement of : \nMr. Neilll, giving state of the art tech to many developing countries creates massive social problems. The Amish may have taken it way too far, but their principle in whether to accept a new techology is based on their valuing labor and community....sometimes intermediate technology is how you raise people, all of them, out of poverty, rather than creating a modern city destined to return to squalor, as the countryside gets poor, by introducing leaps that mean greater production than can be absorbed by fewer people.\" Are you suggesting that third world countries should not develop? I was (poorly) attempting to relate the economies of developing nations in the middle east to the US economy based upon their current export (oil).",
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"text": "more common . . . more common in the past . . . . than big business",
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"text": "cause you're in Chicago ",
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"text": "Mr. Neill, no, I was suggesting to should be aided in developing in a healthy, organic way, not by leaps, but by intermediate steps.",
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"text": "My thesis sucks, qua thesis, but I am actually more impressed by it every time I read it, as a set of original ideas, many of which I have acted upon. \nThat was snarky by the way.",
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"text": "I think you all look at business through the lens of giant corps. I look at it through the lens of a mom and pop store. That's where I was raised and what I do now.",
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"text": "No, but they have, at least in the West to start one. Actually, roughly 100% of the new jobs created in the last few years have been in small business, when you factor all the big biz jobs lost and small ones added.",
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"text": "\"Entrepreneurship\" is sort of a weasel word. Define it please",
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"text": "It is a) too often undefined, and b) too often regarded as a sort of \"meta-occupation\" since it is supposedly the great \"job creator\"",
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"text": "I understand it is the age of the company, not its size that creates new jobs. Bringing new jobs in and out as they succeed or fail. (Not an econ person, but that seems pretty obvious around the city... as small as that niche is)",
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"text": "Who is this Jehoshaphat and what have you done with Jason?",
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"text": "JA makes the point. It is a magic quality we hold in reverence, not to denigrate Whaley's ambitions at all. But oftener it is the quality that separates a Tesla from an Edison.",
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"text": "Eat the entrepreneurs.",
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"text": "Whaley, I am not sure it quite matters whether you see large business as a perversion... It seems that that perversion keeps coming around to capitalism, that on its own has nothing to prevent it. \nAlso, \"small business\" seems slippery. I have a friend who works for a small startup as an offshoot of the sun times. there is nothing mom and pop about it, but it is still \"small business.\"",
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"text": "also everyone Clare Coffey is not a TAC alumna don't be fooled",
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"text": "or am I",
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"text": "Defining them out of existence?",
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"text": "Duh-duh-DUNNNN.",
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"text": "I think we'd need to know what exactly we're talking about first",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe or anyone, I am dying to know what P's position was on the topics you listed, but I just cannot dig that way back. Care to divulge a few more details? If not, then carry on, people .",
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"text": "look even \"small business\" is a \"large business\" once it's hiring people outside the families of the original \"entrepreneurs\". And we need to define \"entrepreneur\"",
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"text": "Who is P? Peregrine? Peterson?",
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"text": "Sorry, Peregrine. But now that you mention it, Peterson.s would be interesting as well, though I bet I could guess what he'd say ",
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"text": "Entrepreneur- one who starts his own business.\nLet's critique!",
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"text": "\"starts\" can be said in many ways",
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"text": "Entrepreneurship is the art that has as its end the creation of context or set of relationships that uses the trade of money for added value to create a surplus of value, usually involving the direction of other's labor in that context. In the more modern context, it seems inevitably to involve innovation, largely in the combination of concepts taken from pre-existing models, contexts, and products. How's that.",
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"text": "Matthew won't speak his mind about Gilder for fear of causing a schism in the De Koninck Project",
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"text": "Define \"value\"",
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"text": "I don't know how you people keep up with this and still function on a daily basis. !!",
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"text": "So, entrepreneuship is a) the State, and b) inventors?",
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"text": "something worth something.",
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"text": "If entrepreneur means the one that starts a business, then it again is an amoral term and activity. Good and bad people do that...\nMr. Whaley's definition seems a far more obscure way of saying that same thing. But also asserting, not fully accurately, that it inevitably involves innovation.",
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"text": "added \"something worth something\" to create a surplus of \"something worth something\"\ndoesn't mean something",
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"text": "I would say: anyone who has made great success in business regardless of means (ie made lots of green)",
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"text": "since corporations are people under American law, then are corporations entrepreneurs?",
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"text": "Inventors would be an example, if they develop the idea and sell it or license it. The state is not what I have in mind, but could use those same principles.",
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"text": "Heck , \" Entrepreneurship is the art that has as its end the creation of context or set of relationships that uses the trade of money for added value to create a surplus of value, usually involving the direction of other's labor in that context.\"\n\"Pimping is the arts that has as its end the creation of a context or set of relationships that uses the trade of money for the added value of sex to create a surplus of value, usually involving the direction of others' sex labor in the context\"",
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"text": "Entrepreneur: someone who skims off the labor of others for his meal",
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"text": "Joshua: pimpin' aint easy",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, is wood worth something? Is a birdhouse worth more? Is a cool design of a birdhouse that does something one has never done worth even more.",
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"text": "Tesla vs Edison. The difference is?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, You sound like a slave.",
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"text": "a birdhouse is worth EVEN MORE if I can get someone else to make it, and sell it, and harvest the materials for it, and still get paid",
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"text": "Its still not clear to me what an entrepreneur is on Andrew's first definition. It comprehends everything from architectonic legislation to money laundering",
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"text": "and pimping",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "\"I don't know what you heard about me / but I'm a motherf(*^&^&*ing P.I.M.P.\" \u201450 Cent",
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"text": "Andrew, don't make me post old BR videos",
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"text": "And why do the \"others\" whose labor the entrepreneur is \"directing\" need him at all for their market?",
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"text": "^they have the principle within themselves",
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"text": "Not all entrepreneurship is moral. A pimp may be one, but an evil one.",
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"text": "I heard that one before",
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"text": "If you say pimping is not entrepreneurship, then you must have another aspect of definition. And if it isn't arbitrary, then it should be evident\nBetamax was far superior to VHS, quality and innovation wise...but VHS took off...it was simply cheaper and good enough. So betamax was, in some sense, a greater value, technologically, but the market value wasn't there....just as a cool design for a birdhouse only has economic value if the market grants it, not because it is innovative",
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"text": "let's bracket the morality question, I'm interested the utility question. Do we need the \"entrepreneur\"?",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat Escalante, Why does Michael Beitia not own a parts store?",
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"text": "NO",
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"text": "I lack the architectonic principle of robber baron",
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"text": "what is this \"creation of a set of relationships\"? Is he like a translator between people who dont speak the same language enough to be able to trade?",
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"text": "So entrepreneurs, capitalists, laborers, consumers, etc may all be immoral. And the system they are involved in is at best amoral...so we have already rejected Gilder....good.\nSo Escalante's question is not the next one",
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"text": "entrepreneur: what you want to be known as. money laundering: what you do. I still say it is nothing but being successful at making money which excludes many hardworking honest business men",
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"text": "and people don't be ganging up on Andrew- give him the chance to speak and be taken seriously for goodness sake",
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"text": "Gilder doesn't claim that there can be no evil done in that context.",
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"text": "take back the slave comment and I might",
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"text": "But then it doesn't embody love....as you clamed",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "fair enough!",
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"text": "How about Player Hater Michael Beitia? lol. Seriously, you do sound like someone who thinks the bigger organization of all this is super easy and that the only real work is with calloused hands. If I'm not mistaken, you're currently chatting on FB while some guy pays you right?",
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"text": "you gotta put \"pays\" in air quotes though",
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"text": "So, quit! Start a shop! Start a distribution company. Do something. Risk! Come up with ideas and make the picture in your head out of wood, steel, one and zero, pixels, whatever. You are not stuck and if you are it is not Capitalism's fault.",
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"text": "I have to run a business, ironically and wasting my time taking on a room full of scholars.",
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"text": "^Bootstraps myth",
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"text": "hey! not me, that's the rest of these folks",
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"text": "State was thrown around. How is the State an entrepreneur? Insofar as it has an ability in some cases to turn the worker into a consumer?",
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"text": "I wonder who is going to feed my five kids while I'm risking?",
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"text": "Yes, mustn't insult capitalism....never mind that an \"entrepreneur\" cannot always bootstrap a business or gain external financing.\nAccording to the Catholic Church I should be able to work for wages sufficient, if I live frugally, to acquire productive property of my own",
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"text": "\"live frugally\" is contextual as well. The school district I'm in requires high speed internet and wifi at home.",
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"text": "Well, people with kids move up and start shit all the time. But, and here's the rub, be ready to work 100 hours a week for a while and it might burn down. I did. I will again.",
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"text": "poop",
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"text": "No one wants to demonize entrepreneurs. The problem is that we are living with a Reagan zombie myth that claims that we ought to take from the poor and the elderly and give tax credits / exempt from tax businesses and entrepreneurs because then things will \"trickle down.\" Manifestly bullshit.",
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"text": "I shouldn't have to work 100 hours a week. I have a family and would like to see my children before I'm dead or they're gone. See how well it works in families where the father is gone all the time?",
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"text": "Daniel, I am. I've worked for some really shitty ones",
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"text": "The entrepreneur is a different and better thing than the capitalist in principle, *but* entrepreneurship as it presently exists exists within a context of capitalism, and looking only at the entrepreneur, or even worse, the IDEAL entrepreneur, means you aren't really looking at the entrepreneur in his context",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "But how do you define entrepeneur?",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "Aha! So the 100 hour a week thing (which is amazing for those who can and do do it), is that inherently noble? Or is it noble for some and not for others- meaning it would be a sign of virtue in one (wo)man and a sign of vice in another?",
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"text": "That is not the case for many of us, despite efforts. And Mr. Whaley, you are not using the word ironically correctly.\nI blocked a friend for a while that blamed me for my economic problems. Not because I don't bear some responsibility, but because he stupidly blamed me for not emigrating...as if being penniless I could just get up and leave the place of my birth, and my family, and automatically succeed through \"effort\" transplanted somewhere else without social relations\nAnd Mr. Whaley, it is a n injustice if you have to work 100 hrs a week. It is an injustice if both parents have to work. I will take the Catholic Church's side on that.\nI have been working overtime, overnights, etc. My company doesn't pay me everything it owes, disputes never resolve (just sent an email because they underpaid me, neglecting overtime, again) and takes up enough time to hamper other efforts...and the money is just about gone, to bills, when I do get paid. So should I quit and have nothing to pay the bills but finally have the energy to \"risk\" starting a business?\nMy lord, the condescension of such a myopic worldview. \"Just work harder\" It is nice for you if you had the opportunity to start a business. When I cannot even afford, when I do have the time, to go to daily Mass because I cannot put gas in my tank, maybe, just maybe what little I have isn't worth risking unless I have a solid business plan...and maybe where I am hasn't offered me such an opportunity, and maybe I cannot afford to leave...but I cannot blame anyone but myself. Is that the view? I should be able to work a reasonable job for a reasonable pay. That would be just. Not everyone is meant to be an entrepreneur, especially an employer.",
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"text": "It would be neglecting my state in life, Katie",
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"text": "100 work week was not a sign of virtue in my case. Acedia comes to mind.",
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"text": "Pieper, in the Leisure book of his, makes that point, that workaholism and acedia are closely linked.",
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"text": "Now if you excuse me, I have about 2 hrs to make dinner, clean, get some coffee and then I have to leave for another 12 hr overnight shift, where apparently I do not work hard enough in otherwise I would \"move up\"",
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"text": "no no no. you're just not SMART enough",
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"text": "or dedicated",
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"text": "My boss's boss thinks I am smarter than he. And his boss thinks I am the smartest person working for him.... so it must be that dedication part",
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"name": "Katie Duda",
"text": "Is not having a boss important to entrepreneurship?",
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"text": "*monocle monocle monocle*",
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"text": "Yes Katie, it is. entrepreneur is the Indie business owner",
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"text": "So it seems like, yes, there need to be bosses? Or is there some egalitarian other mode?",
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"text": "And there also need to be people who are bossed?",
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"text": "(I would assume Erin is the boss at home)",
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"text": "no, it's an autonomous collective",
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"text": "ah yes. Like an academic department",
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"text": "You're fooling yourself woman.",
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"text": "We're living in dicatorship, a self perpetuating autocracy, in which the workers...",
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"text": "Me? No. I am distracting myself",
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"text": "Oh there you go, bringing in class again.",
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"text": "http://2.bp.blogspot.com/.../are-you-not-entertained.gif\n2.BP.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "Nice.",
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"text": "Good pickup\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0\nDennis The Constitutional Peasant\nMonty Python and the Holy Grail is a 1975 film about King Arthur and his knights who embark on a low-budget...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "good pickup!? that was the point of my \"autonomous collective\"..... sheesh",
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"text": "That's what I mean. I caught your reference there.",
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"text": "anyway, Katie, yes some people need to be told what to do at work, and some people need to be telling them what to do. Most work is hierarchical",
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"text": "Now we see the violence inherent in the system.",
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"text": "stop it Booty",
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"text": "Shut up, I order you to shut up.",
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"text": "So not having a boss essential? Does that tap into a desire to be autonomous?",
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"text": "Probably. It might be an Americanist thingy, like co-operatives seem to be more Western European. But yes, no boss",
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"text": "Do any of you have opinions on the nature of offset agreements? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offset_agreement\nOffset agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nDefense offset agreements are legal trade practices in...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "seems like the worst of cronyism",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "the world must be weaponized.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Hey, TNET, what were the most distinctive features of Roman law? ...asking for a friend...",
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"text": "It is forced bartering not cronyism. For example you want to sell product in India? It may be better/cheaper to open a factory their since the tariff posed on American products prices the goods outside of competition.",
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"text": "Well their most ancient piece of true legislation is The Twelve Tables. Basically after Tarquin the Proud was expelled from Rome there was class warfare between the patricians and the plebeians, and the plebs left and refused to come back until basic rights were established for all citizens, rich or poor. The Twelve Tables are pretty nifty.",
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"text": "you haven't lived until you've lived Livy",
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"text": "I am still trying to figure out that off set agreement. Is it forcing the purchase of weapons? Or just regulating?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Joshua Kenz, what do you do, if you don't mind me asking?",
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"text": "I annoy USC students mostly....working with the housing admin at USC.",
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"text": "No. Jeff. I think it's dangling lots of irresistable fruit, meeting US geopolitical strategic \"defense\" targets, cronyism domestic and foreign, and some forced bartering to boot. And that's just the above table deals. [Actually it makes me kinda sick. And I can't figure how it \"works\" financially for our arms dealers.]",
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"text": "Ok, I have read the Twelve Tables. What does \"dedicated to the infernal gods\" mean? Sounds scary.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson - kenz may be able she's some light on your USC run in this morning.",
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"text": "https://m.facebook.com/story.php...\nMatthew J. Peterson\nDear Young White Male in the shiny black A6 with the USC decal who weaves and passes and cuts in front of us from the right lane only to slam on his brakes: we all hate you.\n-Los Angeles\nPS No offense meant to our many friends who drive Audis or who went to USC.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "leaving just now....most of the fancier cars coming in at USC are driven as if by dicks....who needs to speed around the bends of a parking garage?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "John Kunz DONT CROSS THE STREAMS",
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"text": "My purpose of posting on offsets is this is a real world business problem and the real world \"customer\" need. Philosophical solutions or ideal economies are polite and nice, but if you want a moral solution or moral problem to solve, then develop the technology they need while drinking their milkshake.",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nDbeqj-1XOo\nPink Floyd - Us and Them\nUs and Them And after all we're only ordinary men Me, and you God only knows it's not what we would choose...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "I have to ask, for those who were arguing that bathing suits were immodest, and to the same ones whom argued that certain scientific body parts were offensive/immoral, I'm curious to ask...why? Is it that you are, hmm, how shall I say, turned on? I'm not trying to be offensive, only curious. Also, for those who believe that, what are your opinions on men's attire at the beach? Or is it entirely up to woman to keep men from \"tempting thoughts\"",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Burqinis for all!",
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"text": "and burgers!",
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"text": "I should start a fashion line, Daniel P",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Seductive ankles...",
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"text": "Yep, that's what I'll call it.",
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"text": "Nothing seduces like modesty. \nhttp://www.eastessence.com/islamic-clothing/modest-swimwear/\nBURQINI & SWIMWEAR\nEastEssence.com offers a wide array of affordable Full-cover swim suits. We offer two types of fabrics. The...\nEASTESSENCE.COM",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Hahahahaha! Nice!",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Haha east essence?",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "You just turned me off.",
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"text": "Bloody hell",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "I see enough of that on campus. Also the full on no eye hole burquas.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "I'm still trying to figure out what garment was \"named after the atom bomb test site\" (wasn't it called trinity)",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "On campus? Where are you?",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "What campus, John?",
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"text": "Burqini, it's what every good catholic woman should wear.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "John? How do they see? Or walk? I could make a whole lot of jokes, but.....",
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"text": "C'mon people! Entertain me! Panem et circenses!\nSee Translation",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "It's late",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "http://www.independent.co.uk/.../mars-hill-church-closes.... Penis homes. There you go\nMars Hill church closes branches after founder Mark Driscoll calls women 'penis...\nINDEPENDENT.CO.UK",
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"text": "Ha! I saw something about this in the paper today ... thought it was a joke, or a mis-quote.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Oh no! The word \"penis\" was mentioned. No one get turned on.",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/cRU9BT9M9Iw\nTonight Show Family Feud with Steve Harvey and Jason Segel\nSteve Harvey hosts a special Tonight Show edition of...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Oh no, all reall!!!! lol",
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"text": "Kunz! Funny as hell!",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=81APjIsXJ28\nCocaine's Hell of a Drug\nChappelle's Show - Cocaine's Hell of a Drug.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "P is a woman's home. Rolls my eyes so far back in my head! And then I laugh!!!",
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"text": "Regarding the Burqini, and other things like that, has anyone else ever found \"purity\" laws/morality to be an odd subject? Purity isn't like any other virtue. \"It's hard to keep them on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus\". A person can grow in virtues like temperance, courage, etc. but purity seems unidirectional. I'm not even sure it is a virtue.\nFurther, everyone knows bacon is forbidden under Jewish food purity laws, but cheeseburgers too? I don't know if I can get on the train...",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Truthfully, I'm starting to feel badly for Mark Driscoll.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I had to look him up. Ew.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Mark Driscoll is a jerk",
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"text": "and a misogynist",
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"text": "Jewish purity laws make sense in a pre-refrigeration technology day. Since the goal is \"bacteria separation\" of vegetables, meats, cheese/dairy all need to be separated. But with \"modernization\" that mostly went away for the majority of Jewish families. (But there are those that follow the letter of the law and not he spirit)",
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"text": "If a bacon cheeseburger is impure, I don't want to be pure.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Yeah, but I feel bad for him. All this digging up stuff he said 15 years ago on the internet is getting vindictive.",
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"text": "OT purity doesn't map very well onto Aristotelian virtue. It all has to do with being set apart. And OT purity doesn't map very well onto modern ideas where purity tends to mean something like sexual innocence.",
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"text": "OT is law. Aristotle is virtue. Agreed w/ Samantha that a lot of the OT law was purely to set the Israelites apart.",
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"text": "a lot of Christian morality centers on purity. But it isn't even a virtue in the Christian sense.",
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"text": "I don't think it's a virtue at all. There's no mean of purity.",
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"text": "MB, why wouldn't purity be a virtue in the Christian sense? Is purity needed to embrace the virtues?",
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"text": "you can't increase in purity, only decrease",
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"text": "conceived in sin and born in corruption...i think people can increase in purity.",
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"text": "That's an equivocation. once a person reaches the age of reason, where virtues can increase, it is impossible to increase in purity, only decrease. Furthermore, it is evidenced by \"physical purity\". One is either a virgin, or not.",
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"text": "Natura Pura: On the Recovery of Nature in the Doctrine of Grace...mucho equivocation in nature.",
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"text": "The Lord Our God is One....so there--Matthew J. Peterson is The Thread beautiful again?",
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"text": "though your sins be as scarlet....",
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"text": "Sed contra, ST IIa IIae Q 151 A 1 ad 2: \"As Augustine says (De Civ. Dei i, 18), \"so long as her mind holds to its purpose, whereby she has merited to be holy even in body, not even the violence of another's lust can deprive her body of its holiness, which is safeguarded by her persevering continency.\" He also says (De Civ. Dei i, 18) that \"in the mind there is a virtue which is the companion of fortitude, whereby it is resolved to suffer any evil whatsoever rather than consent to evil.\"\"",
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"text": "But I think purity is much equivocated on.",
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"text": "Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. 18\"Come now, and let us reason together,\" Says the LORD, \"Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. 19\"If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land",
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"text": "Joel--I shall send you a facebook friend request.",
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"text": "Joel, if one consents to evil, then purity is irrevocably damaged, no?",
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"text": "but what if one doesn't consent to evil...can purity be restored?",
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"text": "Uh, I'd defer to the many many people who know more than I, but as far as I can see purity might be taken to refer to innocence which once lost is lost (though recoverable in a sense through baptism and confession); or it could refer to a habit of keeping oneself free from impurity and then no, the damage isn't irrevocable; or it could refer to keeping the OT law and I'm not sure but I think one could be come clean again (if that's the same thing) through certain actions.",
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"text": "joel seems to moi to know plenty.",
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"text": "'We must be pure. I do not speak merely of the purity of the senses. We must observe great purity in our will, in our intentions, in all our actions.'\n--St. Peter Julian Eymard\nGod desires from you the least degree of purity of conscience more than all the works you can perform.\n--St. John of the Cross\nThose whose hearts are pure are the temples of the Holy Spirit.\nSt. Lucy",
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"text": "i think a certain purity is necessary to embrace and live the christian virtues. that is all....and through confession and reparation, purity and the virtues can increase.",
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"text": "\"Holy Purity is granted by God when it is asked for with humility.\" \n--St. Josemaria Escriva\n\"Chastity is a difficult, long term matter; one must wait patiently for it to bear fruit, for the happiness of loving kindness which it must bring. But at the same time, chastity is the sure way to happiness.\"\n--Pope John Paul II",
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"text": "Anne Marie, I've heard it said that all persons are Temples Of The Holy Spirit, and there in rests our greatest dignity--but a temple can be defiled...old idea i know-but ideas have a tendency to thrive in certain pockets in cyberspace.",
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"text": "Anne Marie, I like Escriva as well...I will send you a facebook friend request.",
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"text": "are we talking habit of avoiding the impure, or of innocence?\nwrt confession, the effect of sin is still on the soul even if sanctifying grace is restored",
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"text": "yes-the effects of sin are there---the affects of reparation can also be there.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, I was wondering the same thing ",
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"text": "not the way it is taught, which is why I've always had a problem with purity based moralities",
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"text": "oh I missed your earlier comments Anne Marie. work computer doesn't update as fast as one woud like",
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"text": "you lost me mb on the \"way it is taught\"",
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"text": "thread lost to moi.",
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"text": "morality manuals. Especially for young women. the phrase \"damaged goods comes to mind\"",
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"text": "You guys really need to read some JPII. You are losing out.",
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"text": "I don't think the common modern use of purity as \"sexual innocence\" is particularly Christian at all.",
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"text": "got it MB...i wasn't aware of your reference...thank you.",
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"text": "STA has interesting stuff here: \"Et ideo virginitas est quaedam specialis virtus, habens se ad castitatem sicut magnificentia ad liberalitatem. \" IIa IIae Q 152 A3. Cf. IIa IIae Q151 (on chastity).",
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"text": "Ryan Burke!!! How are you???",
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"text": "Can you type, or just use the \"like\" function?",
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"text": "chastity does not equal purity. Chastity has a much more specific meaning.",
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"text": "Anne Marie-I've read a fair amount of JPII but more Ratzinger--are you familiar with Srodowisko? It was a little group of JPII friends that he went hiking with.",
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"text": "Chastity has a more general meaning, at least if by purity we mean sexual purity, which seems like what we are talking about now.",
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"text": "the term means milieu, but also how the self affects the milieu--and how the milieu affects the self.",
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"text": "Also, what do you mean Samantha when you say \" I don't think the common modern use of purity as \"sexual innocence\" is particularly Christian at all\"",
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"text": "Doing much better! I can type one-handed. Liking is just easier.",
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"text": "ok, like away! Glad to hear it.",
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"text": "Ratzinger is the bomb too. And I wanted to add that my comment was meant in a friendly way, not condescending. JPII 's writings are so incredibly rich. I just wish everyone read them because they really shed so much light on the topic of innocence, purity, chastity, marriage and family and so much more.",
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"text": "I don't think it's a Christian concept. It's not used in the Bible that way.",
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"text": "Jesus definitely wasn't concerned with Old Testament purity. He talked with women in public, including prostitutes, he dined with notorious sinners, he didn't wash his hands, he broke the Sabbath for different reasons, and his followers would begin eating unclean foods.",
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"text": "yup, and he also told people to sin no more.",
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"text": "I think scholars dispute that, Catherine Ryland",
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"text": "Samantha, what do you mean?",
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"text": "That Jesus did these things is a sign that purity is important (though not as important as love), not that sexual purity didn't matter",
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"text": "On both accounts?",
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"text": "Also, consider STA's response to the objection that virginity cannot be a virtue since it is not restored by penance, IIa IIae Q 152 Art 3 ad 3:\nVirtue can be recovered by penance as regards that which is formal in virtue, but not as to that which is material therein. For if a magnificent man has squandered all his wealth he does not recover his riches by repenting of his sin. In like manner a person who has lost virginity by sin, recovers by repenting, not the matter of virginity but the purpose of virginity.\nAs regards the matter of virginity there is that which can be miraculously restored by God, namely the integrity of the organ, which we hold to be accidental to virginity: while there is something else which cannot be restored even by miracle, to wit, that one who has experienced venereal lust should cease to have had that experience. For God cannot make that which is done not to have been done, as stated in the FP, Question [25] , Article [4].",
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"text": "OK, I think I see the confusion, gimme a minute",
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"text": "even the Gods cannot change the past.",
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"text": "I don't mean that he didn't care about morality, but that he didn't follow the expected purity/cleanness codes of his time.",
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"text": "Obviously, what we would call chastity is important in the Old and especially New Testaments. But I think the use of \"purity\" to refer specifically to sexual innocence reflects a later pre-occupation.",
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"text": "Or at least that he kept the codes, but not to the exacting interpretations of the Pharisees",
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"text": "Perhaps, but he did many things which caused the Pharisees to look askance at his idea of morality. (e.g. the things I mentioned above).",
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"text": "Yes, but a strong case can be made that Jesus's differences with the Pharisees were about interpretation of the Law, not a rejection of it.",
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"text": "Joel, are you trying to make trouble?",
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"text": "Trying to count how many possible tenure track positions TNET has probably already lost me. But then again, that all started with attending my beloved alma mater in the first place.",
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"text": "I mean, I'm up for it.",
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"text": "by \"later preoccupations\" I may have been referring to the Church Fathers",
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"text": "Have you looked at St. Thomas's article on Virginity? I think he makes a nice distinction both w/r/t how it is a virtue in relation to chastity and the way in which it is (and isn't) lost through sin.",
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"text": "mb, we can't change the past, but people are called to repair the world",
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"text": "and spoils of war.",
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"text": "and circumcision for men was a mock castration ritual...deep baby.",
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"text": "huh. don't know what that last thing means.",
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"text": "war and violence and vicious psychological control...Jesus tried to free people from all that.",
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"text": "Samantha, was it ever discussed at your college that male circumcision was a castration ritual?",
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"text": "or that polygamy and women as property was a consequence of vicious desert politics, scarcity, and constant genocidal war?",
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"text": "Women have been treated shabbily to horribly throughout history and across cultures. I'm not sure the early church or even ancient Mesopotamia stand out in regards to mistreatment of women.",
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"text": "not that I'm aware of. maybe in the boy's dorm. they talked about all kinds of crazy stuff.",
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"text": "not that crazy: AIM:\nIn the earliest records of human religion, castration was regarded as an act of devotion. Moreover, the ritual of circumcision is still followed by many modern religions. In this article, we have exposed the archeological, historical, cultural and religious evidence between the ancient ritual of castration and circumcision.\nMATERIALS AND METHODS:\nWe reviewed the reports about circumcision and castration in the English, French, and Turkish literature.\nRESULT:\nBoth the rituals of circumcision and castration had similar aims in human religions.\nCONCLUSION:\nThe ritual of castration evolved into circumcision as a less-invasive and bloody procedure than castration.",
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"text": "No comment.",
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"text": "secrets everywhere. ",
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"text": "As I recall, a lot of people at TAC thought polygamy was in accordance with natural law.",
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"text": "Yes, let's discuss!",
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"text": "well, if most of the young men are dead fighting the old chiefs wars...",
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"text": "That's because it totally is, Samantha.",
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"text": "And now who's starting trouble?",
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"text": "the castrated are frequently pure. ",
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"text": "Oh heavens....",
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"text": "the ownership stuff can be gender neutral.",
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"text": "for all the women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUT9KQ-LuaU&index=9...\nThe Kinks - Superman\nRay's my superman! Enjoy!\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Polygamy is NOT in accordance with natural law, but I can see how one might make such a mistake if the only good of marriage one acknowledges is the good of procreation",
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"text": "as certain Bishops of Hippo did",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEep67akIn4...\nThe Kinks - Apeman 1970\nThe Kinks - Apeman 1970 I think I'm sophisticated cos I'm living my life like a good homosapien But all around me...\nYOUTUBE.COM|BY THE KINKS",
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"text": "Is it therefore contrary to the natural law? And if so, why?",
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"text": "polygamy is bad for everyone. it goes against God's original design for marriage as manifested in Genesis. therefore etc.",
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"text": "but what if most of the young men are dead from war, and the adversarial tribes are trying to steal the women....And there was no talking snake.",
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"text": "sure, I suppose it could be the least bad of several terrible options",
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"text": "or maybe love God, love one another--the whole law depends on this...Love Jesus. Hail Yahweh.",
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"text": "than the whole natural/moral law thing kind of flows...peace harmony structure....",
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"text": "the women at the well....Love G in spirit and truth, these are the worshippers G wants.",
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"text": "is murder against the natural law Joel? how about abandoning male offspring?",
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"text": "moses (the law giver) abandoned to the river, to save him from political murder.",
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"text": "flowing like a river...",
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"text": "I think polygamy is partially opposed to natural law, and wholly opposed to the new law. See Summa Theologiae Supplement Q 65 Art. 1.",
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"text": "It's a bit of a shame that we don't read a little bit of Thomas on marriage at TAC, since he puts Augustine's views in context.",
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"text": "An examination of Mormon polygamous practice shows murder and abandonment as systemic. IF those are against the natural law, THEN polygamy is against the natural law",
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"text": "I think polygamy is against the natural law, though secondarily. Just for the record.",
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"text": "What does \"secondarily\" mean?",
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"text": "There are so many excellent arguments against polygamy that it's hard to pick just one.",
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"text": "God allowed or encouraged or commanded something agin the natural law?",
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"text": "^Strong",
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"text": "Read Summa Theologiae Supplement to Part III Q 65 \"on plurality of wives\".",
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"text": "\"But an action may be improportionate either to the principal or to the secondary end, and in either case this happens in two ways. First, on account of something which wholly hinders the end; for instance a very great excess or a very great deficiency in eating hinders both the health of the body, which is the principal end of food, and aptitude for conducting business, which is its secondary end. Secondly, on account of something that renders the attainment of the principal or secondary end difficult, or less satisfactory, for instance eating inordinately in respect of undue time. Accordingly if an action be improportionate to the end, through altogether hindering the principal end directly, it is forbidden by the first precepts of the natural law, which hold the same place in practical matters, as the general concepts of the mind in speculative matters. If, however, it be in any way improportionate to the secondary end, or again to the principal end, as rendering its attainment difficult or less satisfactory, it is forbidden, not indeed by the first precepts of the natural law, but by the second which are derived from the first even as conclusions in speculative matters receive our assent by virtue of self-known principles: and thus the act in question is said to be against the law of nature.\"",
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"text": "\"Now marriage has for its principal end the begetting and rearing of children, and this end is competent to man according to his generic nature, wherefore it is common to other animals (Ethic. viii, 12), and thus it is that the \"offspring\" is assigned as a marriage good. But for its secondary end, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. viii, 12), it has, among men alone, the community of works that are a necessity of life, as stated above (Question [41], Article [1]). And in reference to this they owe one another \"fidelity\" which is one of the goods of marriage. Furthermore it has another end, as regards marriage between believers, namely the signification of Christ and the Church: and thus the \"sacrament\" is said to be a marriage good. Wherefore the first end corresponds to the marriage of man inasmuch as he is an animal: the second, inasmuch as he is a man; the third, inasmuch as he is a believer. Accordingly plurality of wives neither wholly destroys nor in any way hinders the first end of marriage, since one man is sufficient to get children of several wives, and to rear the children born of them. But though it does not wholly destroy the second end, it hinders it considerably for there cannot easily be peace in a family where several wives are joined to one husband, since one husband cannot suffice to satisfy the requisitions of several wives, and again because the sharing of several in one occupation is a cause of strife: thus \"potters quarrel with one another\" [*Aristotle, Rhet. ii, 4], and in like manner the several wives of one husband. The third end, it removes altogether, because as Christ is one, so also is the Church one. It is therefore evident from what has been said that plurality of wives is in a way against the law of nature, and in a way not against it.\"",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson-- is see \"allowed.\" Where do you get \"commanded\" or \"encouraged?\"",
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"name": "Frank Morris",
"text": "G is G, He can do what he wants.",
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"text": "Uh, depending on what one means, I guess?",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "https://m.facebook.com/story.php...",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "We don't allow Divine Command Theory on TNET.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "quodammodo ... the great escape ...",
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"text": "1 is 1.",
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"text": "qu\u014ddammodo (not comparable)...thank you TNET",
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"text": "Also, I should add that according to St. Thomas (at least in the Supplement to the ST III), polygamy was only allowable via divine dispensation and it could only be dispensed since it was not opposed to the primary end of marriage (nor *entirely* opposed to the secondary end of natural marriage)",
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"text": "Thomas is wrong. Polygamy totally hinders the first end of marriage, the begetting and raising of children.",
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"text": "As in the case of Abraham and Hagar?",
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"text": "How so? I mean, if having lots of kids is one's goal (and assuming sufficient means to support everyone)...",
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"text": "the \"rearing\" part. Having lots of kids is not the goal, having them and raising them well is",
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"text": "What about what Jesus says about it?",
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"text": "All you have to do is look at the polygamous families in the OT to see how the \"raising\" part works out.",
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"text": "couldn't have the big turf fight, part of Gs plan, without Hagar DPO...but this all a dead end street for those on the tenure track.",
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"text": "[makes sure troll costume is fully zipped]",
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"text": "trolling part of the thread.",
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"text": "Troll Version of Matthew J. Peterson-- what did Jesus say about it?\\",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "how did polygamy work out for David? Solomon?",
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"text": "helped to solidify allegiances.",
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"text": "I'd say when one of your sons rapes one of your daughters, setting off a blood feud that ends in one of your other sons raping some of your wives, the primary ends of marriage have been pretty thoroughly disrupted.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Not to mention all the killing and the dying",
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"text": "Absalon oh abssalon...nice on Sam!",
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"text": "politics is a tough game...and David danced before the covenant....Love the thread!!",
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"text": "Troll Matthew-- I already granted you \"allowed.\" Defend \"encouraged\" or \"commanded!\"",
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"text": "Where's the phony falconaventure? Who is now this thread's officially designated troll?",
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"text": "closer. but you have to sound normal for a while first. then pull the Linda Blair.",
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"text": "Greig What. He's...whoa, gone??",
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"text": "Good try, though, Max.",
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"text": "C'mon guys - we just have to believe in him. That's what makes him real!",
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"text": "he deleted his Peregrine FB account? What about his Scott Whinerberg account?",
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"text": "There's no troll like Peregrine, there's no troll like Peregrine. *clicks heels together*",
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"text": "https://www.facebook.com/scott.weinberg.16?fref=ts - you can't see this one?",
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"text": "Can the thread survive?",
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"text": "Philosophically, is the lgbti community against plural marriage?",
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"text": "St. Thomas treats polyandry differently, fwiw.",
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"text": "Timothy Gerard Aloysius Wilson, fwiw I had an informal course on analogy with a rather brilliant professor during undergrad, and he argued that McInerny was right. But that was long ago, and memory fades",
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"text": "Jeff, nature makes it so that paternity is dubitable. Maternity, however, is not. Motherhood and fatherhood are consequently different, and therefore polygamy and polyandry are vastly different",
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"text": ".\n1959 Michael Beitia\n1880 Edward Langley\n1603 Scott Weinberg\n1346 Daniel Lendman\n1141 Samantha Cohoe\n1107 John Ruplinger\n740 Matthew J. Peterson\n705 Joel HF\n564 Isak Benedict\n419 Joshua Kenz",
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"text": "we're number one! we're number one! (1960) and I'm not stopping until I hit my birth year",
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"text": "(Note, I've combined \"Scott Weinberg\" and \"Peregrine Bonaventure\")",
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"text": "Ay.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Discuss: \"Michael Voris, ie this is why we can't have nice things\"",
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"text": "So, I agree that polyandry is more degrading to the first end of marriage (to borrow Thomas's definition) but would contend that both are equally damaging to the second.",
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"text": "Though is also think it's clear that polygamy is very degrading to the first end as well",
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"text": "Who is Michael voris? A different troll?",
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"text": "Michael, I assumed you had already hit your birth year.",
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"text": "not even close yet, Daniel. I assume that you're only a few years younger than me (1961)",
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"text": "I can't believe I'm still in the top ten somehow. I've barely had any time to get involved.",
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"text": "Beitia, you're just sexist against Matriarchal colonies of drone husbands.",
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"text": "It's not sexist that I can't bear offspring. It's the nature of things (1963)",
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"text": "I guess I can take some comfort in the fact that I'm not very close to my birth year",
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"text": "Treadmills boring. Moar tnet!",
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"text": "Fine. Podcast it is.",
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"text": "Polyandry goes against a primary precept of the natural law, whereas polygyny goes against a secondary precept of the natural law. To understand, procreation is primary and a women having multiple husbands is to use marriage for another end. Clearly she can only get pregnant once, so the primary end is weakened in the use of marriage and the secondary end is weakened. Whereas in polygyny, the primary end is not affected but the 2nd end is weakened.\nSo both are against the natural law, but the latter is permissible by God for the sake of the higher end",
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"text": "The the objection that polygyny hinders the primary end, not in its basic sense. I have been thinking this, we have tried to throw in the \"education of children\" as the primary end, but that is not really true. That is an ad hoc change in arguments for NFP. Now the education of children does pertain to the common life of marriage, but in its basic end, in the USE of marriage, i.e. the bodoinky doink, we are speaking of procreation as such, and as such it is not hindered and can be augmented in polygyny, whereas at the very least in polyandry it cannot be augment.\nBut I do concede Mrs. Samantha Cohoe's point, that a household with multiple wives does have negative consequences to the education of children. And so we might call it indirectly harmful to the primary end, insofar as the primary end entails the education of children as something incumbent on it.\nIn anycase, polygyny is a bastardized form of marriage, unable to be raised to the state of a sacrament, because that is the image of Christ and His Church ....which makes for some polygamous analogies with certain protestants' belief of many equally \"valid\"churches.",
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"text": "McIrnerny is unfair to Cajetan on analogy, and is indeed very wrong himself. I have spoken, QED.... but in all seriousness, I will drudge up my thoughts on that. It seems to me that McIrnerny grossly misreads the whole thing",
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"text": "Oh yeah, McIrnerny first puts his foot down his mouth with the assertion that EVERY reference by Aquinas is purely logical, and does not involve the analogia entis.\nI think the very common example of health in urine, man, food, etc already betrays that as a stretch.",
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"text": "I studied with a student of McInerny and was told that McInerny thought McInerny was wrong but maybe he later corrected himself. That was a long time ago. [I see that he has updated his work. His earlier work was very confusing.]",
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"text": "He also ignores that Cajetan's treatment is not his own, but can be traced back to the defensiones and to Capreolus. He talks about the \"medieval\" view and paints Cajetan as inventing another thing, ignoring or not putting forth any medieval evidence....when in fact for 2 centuries before Cajetan, we see the substance of his de nomina analogia in other authors",
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"text": "I see know reason to see the health example as anything other than a merely logical analogy.",
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"text": "In fact, my inclination is to deny the analogia entis, unless by that you just mean participation.",
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"text": "But I see no need to have two terms for the same thing.",
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"text": "No, because Scotus won't allow for analogical concepts.",
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"text": "I think analogy is, properly speaking, a species of equivocation.",
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"text": "In my opinion Aquinas is too liberal on the question of analogy and predication about God. Aquinas abandons the doctrine of Dionysius at a critical point (I think it's ST I.12 or I.13) and says that when we call God good we don't mean that he is \"cause of Good\" but that he is actually good. I think that's a mistake.",
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"text": "But Aquinas didn't have the benefit of reading Plotinus.",
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"text": "Isn't the notion that \"Good\" names God in his essence just what Damascene and Dionysius mean when they talk about superessential predication?",
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"text": "I don't think so. I can't speak to Damascene, but for Dionysius, 'superessential' simply means 'above' the theophanies. For Dionysius (as Perl would say) 'to be is to be intelligible' ... so when we predicate \"good\" of God, we're not predicating anything of his essence (no one can do that) but we're making his ousia a reference point. But more properly we said God is \"cause of Good\" than that God is good.",
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"text": "By Dionysius, we mean the guy who pretended to be St. Denis, but really was a Platonist many hundred years later....",
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"text": "Or someone who was named Dionysius and was assimilated by the medievals to St. Denis.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, even Ralph admits the doctrine of analogia entis, and that Aquinas held it. In fact such is necessary for analogical causality, e.g.",
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"text": "I'd really have to go back to his commentary (and Albert's) on the Divine names and the Celestial Hierarchy to say more about this. It's several years since I've read them.",
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"text": "Further, S. Th. I q. 13 must presume an analogia entis, upon which predication follows.\nWe predicate good of God analogously, is not merely a logical analogy. We are saying that the being of created things, considered under the ratio of the good, reflects God in some way. The very reality we call good is analogous to God as good. See what I am saying?\nIt seems clear that is not a purely logical analogy then.",
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"text": "Greig Dionysius as a 'Platonist'? what does that even mean? In fact what is a 'Platonist' anyway?",
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"text": "I don't know if we actually disagree, Joshua. I just prefer to talk about analogy in logic and participation in metaphysics.",
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"text": "Greig How do you understand the difference, Edward Langley?",
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"text": "^too much analytical philosophy",
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"text": "On and just as a random aside.... the distinction of nun and sister were abolished in 1983, and before that followed the distinction of order from congregation. A sister took simple vows, nuns took solemn....cloister has nothing to do with it.\nSorry, the false distinction was raised like 10,000 comments ago and I forgot to correct it then",
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"text": "Analogy is a doctrine about the use of terms. Participation is a doctrine about formal causality.",
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"text": "And, for whatever it's worth, Aquinas never uses the phrase \"analogia entis\".",
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"text": "So?",
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"text": "Your distinction is still your own. Participation is also misleading, and the favorite buzzord of people like Fabro...",
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"text": "\"Thomastic Gangfight\" is my new hiphop group",
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"text": "So, if the question is the priopriety of the phrase \"analogia entis\", you can't simply claim that Aquinas would sign off on such a phrase.",
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"text": "Sure I can.He would. It is part of the Thomistic tradition. Only people lke Fabro have conniptions over it.",
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"text": "As far as I can tell, Thomas is careful to only to use analogy to refer to what was also called \"equivocatio a consilio\"",
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"text": "Again, analogia entis was the term invented by Thomists for Thomas's doctrine on naming God.",
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"text": "Why reinvent the wheel?",
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"text": "That only proves my point, as far as I can tell: it's primarily a doctrine about naming, not about the being of the things named.",
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"text": "That is a dispute over what the doctrine is",
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"text": "And I think I gave a good reason why every Thomist from Capreolus to the haughty 20th century with its secret gnosis took it as an analogy of being",
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"text": "What do you mean by \"analogy of being\"? Do mean that creatures are created according to a divine exemplar?",
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"text": "And so creaturely perfection derives from divine perfections?",
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"text": "To the second it is to be said that the Creator and creation are reduced unto one, not by a community of univocation but of analogy. Moreover such a community is able to be in two-ways. Either from this that some things participate something one according to before and after, just as potency and act [participate] the account of being, and similarly substance and accident; or from this that one receives existence and the account from the other, and such is the analogy of creation to the Creator: for creation does not have existence except according as it descends from the first Being: whence neither is it named a being except in as much as it imitates the first Being; and similarly is it concerning wisdom and all other things which are said of creation. (Sup. Sent lib 1 q. 1 a. 2 ad 2)",
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"text": "Since marriage is (legally) no longer about children poly-marriages are the next frontier for legalization. The result of which may be seen in the insurance agency requiring a \"married\" status for adult dependents.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Please: let's stop reading Fabro already. I mean, I was fascinated in my senior year but I got over it. Read Doolan. Read Wippel. And re: Dionysius, if you really want to understand him, read Perl.",
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"text": "Greig ^ On the latter, also Dillon/Wear.",
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"text": "Greig Kenz, just curious, how do you understand Dionysius as a 'Platonist'?",
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"text": "Edward Langley: In Sent I. 19: \"aliquid dicitur secundum analogiam tripliciter: vel secundum intentionem tantum, et non secundum esse ... Vel secundum esse et non secundum intentionem ... Vel secundum intentionem et secundum esse.\"",
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"name": "Owen White",
"text": "What upsets me most about this thread is that in 17,264 comments there has not been a single bawdy limerick. What the hell did they teach you people at TAC?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "There once was a man from Nantucket ...",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "In the garden of Eden lay Adam\nQuite merrily boning his madam\nFor he knew in his mirth\nThat upon the whole earth\nThere were only two balls, and he had 'em.",
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"text": "*bows*",
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"name": "Owen White",
"text": "Thank you good sir, thank you.",
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"text": "My pleasure.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "If Peregine falcon were still here he would get his knickers in a twist about that one.",
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"text": "He can go boil his head.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Platonists=Canadians",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "^Woah. Let's take it easy there, Catherine.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Are you insulting Canadians or Platonists?",
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"text": "^Woah. Let's take it easy there, Joel.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I take it Sean Robertson is a Canadian.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "^Woah. Let's take it eas- No wait, that's right. I am.",
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"text": "Take a poll.",
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"text": "Recent archaeological data suggests St. Thomas was actually Canadian. Scotus, meanwhile, was apparently from California.",
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"text": ".\n578 Jehoshaphat Escalante\n352 Catherine Ryland\n349 Jeffrey Bond\n345 John Boyer\n318 Daniel P. O'Connell\n270 Jeff Neill\n248 Nina Rachele\n224 Pater Edmund\n220 Megan Baird\n179 Adrw Lng",
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"text": "can that be right? I'm pleased if so but I haven't commented much in the last two days",
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"text": "It pleases me that my name doesn't appear.",
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"text": "(That was 11-20)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Canadians can also be formidable trolls.",
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"text": "I've sure dropped... But I guess that's what happens when I have reading I have to do for classes while nursing instead of Facebook ...",
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"text": "And I'm not a Platonist...",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Are you Canadian?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "It isn't right Jehoshaphat Escalante. You have more than #10 on the earlier posted list....",
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"text": "It is, in 1-10 I hadn't taken in account that Jehoshaphat Escalante had changed his Facebook name recently.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "So, really, Joshua Kenz should be in 11-20",
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"text": "Yes, I am Canadian... ",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "The Apology was definitely a Canadian work.",
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"text": "Haha!",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Maybe growing up in proximity to Ontario (on the Detroit side) influenced me to be a Platonist ... although I'm not as comfortable with that label these days. More of a Cusan.",
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"text": "(Sorry)",
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"text": "If Canadians are Platonists, does this mean that De Koninck was a crypto-Platonist?",
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"text": "crypto-Platano-proto-Aristotelian?",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I think I just like giving you a hard time. I have no problem calling it participation, as long as one understand that participation as according to analogy! That is, we do not participate univocally but by analogy in the good, being, etc \nSee what I did there?",
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"text": "I see what you did, but I'm not sure I'd phrase it that way.",
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"text": "But I grant that the X in itself and participated X aren't named X univocally.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Dear Isak, you made my evening so much better.",
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"text": "But we can participate either univocally or by analogy. And Aquinas is explicit on this. Indeed he faults Plato for reducing all participation to univocal participation",
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"text": "Do you have a citation? I recall texts like that, but I forget the context.",
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"text": "That is right, you weren't in the class on the de hebdomadibus\nLectio 2 and 3. Essentially there are 3 modes of participation. Species participates genus (this is a weak way, and in other places he prefers not to call it participation), 2. matter participates form, accidents substance, etc. The third way, via causality, can be either univocal or analogical. It is analogical in creature to creator, univocal as fire causes heat. Or as medicine causes health!",
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"text": "The upshot is that Aquinas sees Platonic participation as univocal. The analogia entis can be called participation but one must clarify that it is not according to the manner Aquinas ascribes to Plato",
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"text": "So thomists hold that created things are good by analogy not by actually participating in God's goodness, but a \"platonist\" would say participation in God's goodness is direct?",
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"text": "This is the difficulty I have, though: if there is something real common by which the name applies analogously, then it would just seem to be univocation; otherwise, if there is no community, wouldn't it just be pure equivocation?",
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"text": "So since goodness is only analogous, man does not \"really\" participate in God's goodness. Right?",
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"text": "But Analogies are not real things.",
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"text": "Doesn't all that mean in this case is something like man's goodness : man as God's goodness : God ?",
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"text": "The transference of the name is justified because the corresponding concept is analogous to the reality which is God? What I mean is that not even the concept of divine goodness signifies univocally divine goodness\nAquinas certainly speaks of a community here, of analogy. According to before and after is the 2nd sense of participation used in the de hebdomadibus. But the 3rd mode is according to efficient cause, as one being receives existence from another.\nSup. Sent lib 1 q. 1 a. 2 ad 2)",
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"text": "If you prefer to engage one on one, without allowing other input, might I suggest pm? It' super cool!",
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"text": "I only mean that it is more fruitful to discuss one topic at one time. Are we asking about Aquinas' doctrine of analogy, and its relation to being, or are we going to analogy 101 and trying to cover the very basic rudiments? Both can be fruitful, but it is confusing at the same time and therefore, personally, I am just saying I will be answering Langley on this topic...especially since half of the time he responds I am answering Jeff and vice versa, confusing as heck.",
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"text": "In that sense nothing participates in God's goodness univocally, except Himself. All participation is by analogy.",
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"text": "And of course answering anyone else on the same topic. Feel free to have a parallel conversation on the \"challenge\" to the very idea of analogy brought by Jeff. Just two similar, but divergent topics is confusing for me to participate in.",
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"text": "Not all participation is in God. Accident participates substance. This has already been covered aptly",
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"text": "Which is why you should read the cited texts",
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"text": "It very well may be what Thomas said, I'm not sure I agree with it.",
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"text": "So accidents don participate their substance?",
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"text": "Okay, now I know you are a troll. Consider this my last post direct at you",
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"text": "This status has been at the top of my news feed for two weeks straight.",
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"text": "It is sign of trolling when someone tries to argue over trivialities. It is stupid as the objection against saying man is a rational animal, that some men are irrational. Yes medicine, meaning drugs, can be good or bad. But we do say that this medicine/food is healthy, as a cause of health, or that this complexion or urine is healthy as a sign of health. To object that some medicine is not healthy is an idiotic objection that mises the point",
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"text": "How old are you Joshua?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "And this just went downhill again... This is worse than freshmen Theology...",
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"text": "I've been blocked. Haha. I guess he is Not willing to communicate.",
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"text": "So Mrs. Lauren Ogrodnick, I heard they ban baby walkers in Canada",
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"text": "Josh, honestly, if you disagree with others, why do you block them? This should be an open discussion. That's how conversions happen, no?",
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"text": "As long as we are doing non serious discussion, would that make this depiction of the holy family encourage to break the law? http://upload.wikimedia.org/.../Jesus_in_a_baby_walker...",
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"text": "Deflect much? Come on! Let's figure this out.",
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"text": "I think the point, Jeff, is that we call the medicine that is healthy, healthy because it causes health.\nBut, as far as I can see, there are three levels of community:\n1) community according to names\n2) possibly community according to concepts\n3) possibly community in reality\nWithout (2) or (3), (1) seems to be pure equivocation: like \"bat\", the mammal and \"bat\", the stick one hits a baseball with.\n(2) is obvious in the case of a univocal name: then there is one name and one concept and these together pick out one kind of thing.\nIt's less obvious to me how to parse (2) in analogy: some people (Henry of Ghent for one) say that analogous concepts are concepts that appear to be one but, upon consideration, turn out to be two. As far as I can tell, one interpretation of Aquinas is that there is one concept which, through consideration, is extended to take on additional meanings in a certain order.\nI'm not sure at all how to understand (3): i.e. how to understand real community of kind existing outside the mind. The triplex consideratio in De Ente makes it seem like the universal/common nature is only something in the mind and that everything outside the mind is individual. But, perhaps Aquinas's view is closer to Scotus's and there is a real community secundum rem.",
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"text": "figure something out? this is TNET... the dark abode of unresolved questions and half-finished thoughts... where your friendliest neighbour could become the troll of your worst nightmares... *cue spooky music*",
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"text": "As far as analogy goes, though, it seems to avoid (3), although perhaps Dominic Bolin's text suggests something else.",
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"text": "http://socraticum.com is where those questions should move to be discussed to a resolution \nSocraticum.com\nDiscussion group for TACers and friends\nSOCRATICUM.COM\nSeptember 12 at 12:26am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nLiz Neill All hail Joshua Kenz! He reigns supreme! ",
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"text": "(Just a little bit of periodic advertising).",
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"text": "@nina. True that",
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"text": "What do you make of analogous concepts, Joshua? Scotus is pretty critical of them in the Lectura (I d.3 p.1 q.1-2) but he seems to be focused on Henry of Ghent's position without considering alternative views.",
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"text": "Goodness would seem to be In the third sense, since it is not in just the mind; however it does not seem to be individual. I have not read scotus yet, but he seems like something I would be interested in",
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"text": "If people Unfriend people, it's cowardly. Just saying.",
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"text": "Langley, I would have to look at the texts. What exactly is meant, in that context, by analogous concept? Or maybe that is dangerous, seeing as SCotus is not at all clear about analogy.",
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"text": "It looks to me like it means a concept that initially appears to the intellect to be one concept but which, upon consideration, is discovered to be two",
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"text": "But just so similar as to be conflated? Would that be like \"children call all men fathers, then they learn to divide\", namely distinguish the concept of man from father?",
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"text": "The example we went over in class was \"ens\". For Henry of Ghent, to say that the concept \"ens\" is analogous is to say that, to ordinary people, it is taken as one concept. When philosophers reflect on that concept, they realize that there actually were two concepts: ens negative indeterminatum and ens privative indeterminatum.",
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"text": "(the former is such that it cannot receive any further determination while the latter is such that it is able to receive any determination).",
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"text": "So pure act and pure potency, in Thomistic terms",
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"text": "I think it's more like esse divinum et esse commune: I'm not sure if the latter is the same as \"pure potency\".",
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"text": "Oh, so we are considering ens through abstraction, namely from any way of being, and not as principles of things...so abstraction in the ...3rd sense? Oh I forget the numbering, the sort of abstraction by which we say that the genus \"animal\" is not rational",
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"text": "Yes, baby walkers are banned in Canada... I guess too many babies were throwing themselves down stairs or something... But she's going to take her first steps in Virginia probably and I guess US babies are not as inclined to suicide by means of a walker and a set of stairs.",
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"text": "Moment of silence for those who lost their lives. I will nerver forget an God bless their families.",
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"text": "So we know that our concept of God or any attribute of Him, is not a proper species, save in the Beatific vision. So the question is, do we have one concept, which is referred analogously to God, or do we have two concepts, one for created goodness and another for God, with that concept being the same but including say containing the denial of imperfection, etc?",
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"text": "Josh, please don't write like Aristotle..",
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"text": "@isak !! Fish sticks",
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"text": "Both Josh and Ed are pretty solid thinkers by the way guys. Let's be nice and not throw nasty accusations about youth around. Do what I do and call people bastards like a gentleman.",
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"text": "You TAC mom types -- do you know we actually have a discussion list for TAC moms. It jumps around much like TNET but we have the sense to separate discussions by topic. We use google groups as our format now (moved from a fb group). Message me to figure out how to get in.",
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"text": "For all questions on analogy from 100's of comments ago, Joshua Kenz and Edward Langley:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/.../dp/1449977677/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3...\nUnderstanding St. Thomas on Analogy\nThis book is a reprint of the dissertation that won the 2009 Prize of the Pontifical Academies. The analogy of names...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "I know someone made recordings of at least a good portion of Nieto's 2005/2006 weekly lecturs on analogy. Does anyone have a copy of them? Adrw Lng Daniel Lendman Pater Edmund Caleb Cohoe",
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"text": "Sadly, no.",
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"text": "What's wrong with all you people?? I'm gone for ONE night, and nobody bothers to contradict Mr. Kenz's outrageous assertion that the primary end of marriage is the begetting and NOT the rearing of children? Do I have to do everything around here??",
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"text": "So let me get this straight: Health is said primarily of the body, and secondarily of the effects of health (urine etc) and causes of health (medicine or food). This example is to teach us about God's goodness, right? the only sticking point is the understanding of analogy?",
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"text": "Actually, I'm not sure either is correctly identified as the primary end. \nIt seems to me (and I may be waaaaay off base here) that marriage as sacrament exists to give grace. Primarily, then, marriage would exist to get one to heaven, through the production/raising of offspring",
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"text": "Michael, maybe that would be the primary supernatural end, and the begetting and rearing of children would be the primary natural one.",
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"text": "Furthermore, St. Thomas says the primary end is the begetting and rearing of children, so what's the deal Mr. Kenz? Do you know better than St. Thomas?",
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"text": "Y'all need to read some more Aristotle. The end of the oak tree is to produce another oak tree, not just an acorn.",
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"text": "Sorry, Samantha, I missed that. \nNo, it is quite clear that when one begets children there is an obligation, likewise to educate them. This is always part of the account of the primary end of marriage.",
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"text": "I'd be surprised if Joshua finally disagrees. Apparently he was quite sleep deprived.",
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"text": "I think your \"reduxio\" argument is valid and true, Samantha Cohoe. Also, you are right that St. Thomas mentions procreation and education together.",
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"text": "Also, his argument would imply that it's perfectly fine for a woman whose husband is sterile to have another husband, since it's all about getting pregnant",
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"text": "Also, Daniel, I don't understand how you're still ahead of me in the standings. You're ever here anymore.",
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"text": "I know!",
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"text": "I had a streak there for a while.",
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"text": "Or, rather, that it isn't against the primary end of marriage for a woman to have another husband if her first one fails to beget children on her.",
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"text": "^I suppose that is correct.",
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"text": "if the begetting of children is the *only* primary end, there would be situations in which polyandry wouldn't be against the primary end of marriage",
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"text": "Seriously. TNET was flagging there until the scintillating issue of analogy revived it.",
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"text": "Today in Austria we celebrate the victory over the Turks at the battle of Vienna.",
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"text": "Before the battle the Turks were In Trumau, the town I live in. All the people gathered in prayer in the church, and the damnable infidels came and burned the church to the ground with the people inside.",
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"text": "I actually meant to say something about this earlier, but got distracted. Here's a quote in Latin (I had to type it out by hand since I don't know of an online latin edition of the Supplement to the III part): \"Matrimonium ergo habet pro fine principali prolis procreationem et educationem: qui quidem finis competit homini secundum naturam sui generis: unde et aliis animalibus est communis.\u201d ST IIIa Supplement Q 65 Art 1",
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"text": "Which is why their immigration laws are so tough.",
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"text": "^You're a boss, Joel HF.",
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"text": "^I don't really know what that means.",
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"text": "^I picked up while teaching high school.",
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"text": "I really do need to go now.",
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"text": "But I will be back and better than ever. \\",
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"text": "To play devil's advocate, how does one translate \"educationem\" here? This end is one which we hold generically, and thus it is common to animals (perhaps Mammals would have been better, since plenty of animals do nothing to rear their young in any sense).",
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"text": "If it is in common with animals, how is it that we take \"educationem\"? Clearly not any strong sense of \"educate,\" perhaps, \"rear\" would be better. And if that is the case, and this end is in common with (some) other animals, how much is expected there? I.e. would polygamy still be contrary to this primary end?",
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"text": "To proceed slightly less trollishly, the education bit is often taken as an argument against big families period. I remember reading a NYT article with some lady Episcopalian \"bishop\" (that would be in quotation marks regardless of her sex), and she claimed that the reason Episcopalians had so few children was that they focused on quality not quantity. I do wonder if a slightly less elevated standard ought to be held (\"we have 2 kids, because we can only afford to send 2 through Princeton and then to Grad school\").",
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"text": "I don't think that polygamy violates the primary end. \nI think that educate could be rendered as rear. I think the idea, generally speaking, is that one's offspring must be able to reasonably attain the ends of the said species. Animals with higher/more complex ends, tend to need more time with parents in order to do this. \nHumans, however, have by nature the ability to reason and know their end. Consequently, 'education' is used properly for humans in distinction from other animals, since humans must be taught about their end and how best to pursue it.",
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"text": "^This is, at least, how I always thought about it.",
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"text": "I can't like Daniel's last comment, because of the WRONG first paragraph, but the latter paragraph is what I was going to say",
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"text": "Maybe, in the first paragraph I should have added the qualifier 'evidently' so I might emmend it to say:\nI don't think that polygamy EVIDENTLY violates the primary end.",
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"text": "What about the arguments about the damage polygamy does to the rearing of children?",
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"text": "The secondary end--i.e. the one proper to man as man, and not just as animal--is \u201ccommunicationem operum quae sunt necessaria in vita\u201d (See Aristotle NE VIII 12). Here \"necessaria in vita\" seems to be not just bodily necessities (though it includes that) but also the beginnings of that which man ultimately lives in community for--i.e. family goods which ultimately lead to political goods.",
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"text": "Daniel is correct. Aquinas thinks that because of the way in which custom obscures things that aren't the first precepts of natrual law (and with our greater knowledge of anthropology, perhaps we could say, even the first precepts occasionally!), that Man is basically highly likely to err on such points.",
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"text": "This is because women are more ordered to the second end of marriage: i.e. fidelity.",
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"text": "That being said, of all the patriarchs, only Isaac had only one wife.",
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"text": "What? Do you not recall the Old Testament?",
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"text": "But his children were still pretty messed up.",
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"text": "The damage polygamy does to children is pretty thoroughly documented in the Old Testament. it's not a modern concern",
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"text": "We had this whole conversation yesterday.",
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"text": "Yes, and it is opposed to the secondary end, that which is proper to man qua man. I still don't see that it is opposed to \"rearing\" generically.",
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"text": "Do you think that damage that occurs to children in the process of raising them is incidental to the \"rearing of children?\"",
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"text": "I don't understand how children are the primary end, when I thought the primary end of all sacraments were the sanctification of the person.\nIsn't that the primary end of all sacraments qua sacraments?",
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"text": "Also, I don't think the damage done to women by polygamy should be considered incidental to the primary end of marriage.",
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"text": "Perhaps one could conclude that polygamy harms the full success of the first end of marriage, but does not contradict the first end? What do you think of that, Samantha Cohoe?",
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"text": "But that's how I feel about it, let me consider what I think about it for a minute",
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"text": "The goods of marriage (according to St. Thomas following Peter Lombard) are \"\"faith, offspring, and sacrament.\"",
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"text": "Michael, I think that is true about Sacraments in general, but this does not distinguish the sacraments.",
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"text": "Joel HF, we must remember to distinguish between the goods of marriage and the ends of marriage.",
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"text": "The third end of marriage (for marriage between believers) (per STA) is \"the signification of Christ and the Church.\" Though this is only a tertiary end, and is not common even to all men, for those with a sacramental marriage it is the most important, imo.",
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"text": "I'm confused about Thomas's numbering of the ends of marriage and how that relates to the relative importance of those ends",
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"text": "Yeah, I was gonna link them up, but I don't type nearly fast enough here. But it was sloppy to just post that without doing the linkage in that post.",
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"text": "The Church today in her documents tends to not speak of marriage as an institution but as a \"community of life.\" Likewise, the church like to speak of the goods of marriage and not the ends.",
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"text": "For Thomas, (and I think this is true) the only difference between natural marriage and sacramental marriage is that in the later the couple are baptized.",
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"text": "I think (and please remember that I'm the furthest thing from an authority) that they simply go from most common to most specific. The most important end has got to be the third (for those for whom that end obtains), as far as I can see. And this speaks to Michael Beitia's point as well.",
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"text": "I think it's misleading, then, to say that polygamy is only against natural law \"secondarily\"",
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"text": "Dude, I am pro-marriage both consciously and sub-consciously.",
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"text": "I think it dismissive to wave a hand and say that the proper end of any sacrament differs from the specific end of *that* sacrament",
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"text": "@Daniel Lendman--that difference gives them a 3rd end as well, to be a sign of Christ and his church, and thus to strengthen each other in faith, etc. It is from the third end that the first and third good proceed.",
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"text": "Sacraments, in general, are for the sake of sanctification.",
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"text": "Each sacrament has a particular means by which that is accomplished..",
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"text": "yes, and thus the other ends are ordered toward that.\nBaptism removes original sin - for the sake of sanctification, right?",
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"text": "Yes, but STA thinks that polygamy for non-believers could be allowed through a special dispensation from God (and otherwise it couldn't be, though many gentile nations would fall into error), but could never be allowed for sacramental marriages.",
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"text": "Don't respond to the clearly stupid thing I wrote.",
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"text": "What I meant to write, is that marriage as an institution has ends that are inherent to it. The first of these ends is procreation.",
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"text": "Do we have to say that God \"allowed\" polygamy in any special way, other than the way many evils are allowed?",
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"text": "Out of piety, we should be hesitant to say that the Old Testament saints sinned in polygamy.",
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"text": "^I think.",
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"text": "Abraham is clearly portrayed as sinning when he takes Hagar.",
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"text": "I think I see why one would read it that way.",
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"text": "I think we are obliged to see the Patriarchs as heroes of faith, not as heroes of virtue",
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"text": "I think many (if not all) the fathers avoided such interpretations.",
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"text": "Yeah, sure. I'm aware that they did.",
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"text": "They were wrong, weren't they?",
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"text": "Augustine says some of the dumbest things ever said about sex on the topic of the patriarchs and their wives.",
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"text": "Well, I am really scared to go against nigh universal patristic authority.",
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"text": "Seriously, David only used his hundreds of wives for procreation?Seriously?",
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"text": "Bathsheba was the only time he sinned in lust?",
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"text": "Maybe?",
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"text": "Please.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia--yes, qua sacrament (as far as I can tell), the mutual strengthening of faith and the marriage as \"signification of Christ and the Church\" are what is most important. Unlike the other sacraments, however, there is \"natural marriage\" as well, and sacramental marriage also shares the natural ends.",
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"text": "Like I said, I understand the force of your argument but I am prevented from assenting because of the fathers.",
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"text": "Joel HF that is along the lines of what I was trying to say.",
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"text": "Augustine was messed up by the Manichees on this. They used the immorality of the Patriarchs as an argument against the catholic faith, so he felt obliged to defend them.",
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"text": "^Or he was saintly, wise, and correct.",
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"text": "And it is just hard for us to understand because of the intellectual and cultural customs of our day.",
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"text": "Sorry? It's hard to understand why a man would want several hundred wives and concubines?",
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"text": "Isn't it at least possible that he saw things more clearly that we do?",
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"text": "I don't think so.",
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"text": "I think, again, that the results of polygamy speak for themselves (David, Solomon)",
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"text": "On a lot of things. This just flies in the face of everything that is obvious about human nature",
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"text": "He wanted so many wives so that he could help bring forth the Christ.",
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"text": "He only needed Bathsheba to bring forth the Christ. And that's the one situation that Augustine concedes was sinful",
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"text": "Michael, I think you are right that the Old Testament shows that polygamy is a bad idea.",
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"text": "but it worked out pretty badly, plus the sin of David is Bathsheba",
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"text": "Yeah, but he didn't know that?",
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"text": "I'm no scripture expert, but I don't think we have reason to think that David had \"hundreds\" of wives do we? Solomon, who we are explicitly told had hundreds of wives, clearly sinned in taking so many--though lust doesn't seem to have been the prime motivation there, or even the primary sin.",
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"text": "You're saying he needed to make sure God could bring about his promises by making every attractive woman in Israel and the surrounding nations his wife or concubine?",
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"text": "after killing their husbands, right?",
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"text": "Ok, you're right, not hundreds for David. more like dozens. The point still stands",
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"text": "As for Abraham and Hagar, Abraham's fault there--though really, Sarah's, right?--doesn't seem to be lust but lack of faith.",
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"text": "Yes, on both their parts.",
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"text": "FB is lagging for me, so I'm replying to posts WAY up thread, just fyi, y'all.",
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"text": "But, to Samantha's point about why man would take so many wives--I think that in a society like Solomon's it is more about pride and ostentation (\"look how powerful I am\") than it is directly about lust. Not that lust isn't involved as well, but it seems more like signaling to other nations / his own subjects how rich and wealthy he was.",
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"text": "That's a huge part of it, it's true. The point is that Augustine didn't want to think of the Patriarchs as sexual sinners, so he came up with this explanation about \"use\" of their many wives to explain it. It leads him to make some excuses for polygamy that are false. It also misses the point of a lot of those stories, esp. the Abraham and Hagar one.",
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"text": "But should we actually feel the need to assert that the patriarchs didn't sin sexually? It would be astonishing if they didn't, right? Basically a miracle.",
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"text": "Yeah, I think Augustine's reading of the patriarchs is motivated by his desire to see the patriarchs as good, and that the text of the OT doesn't always bear this up.",
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"text": "That said, for men back then, children, LOTS of children, would be hugely important. Which wouldn't make it right to take a concubine b/c your wife was barren, but is slightly different that plain lust (though lust can be a compenent as well). In our society, men are so desirous of avoiding kids that this is sometimes easy to forget.",
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"text": "Sure. Also,the sin of lust is not really discussed the in OT. It's only coveting another man's wife that is wrong, and that's because of the sin against the other man, not the lust per se.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "I keep getting tagged in TNET and I can't find the post because immensity",
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"text": "Adrw Lng--I tagged you, trying to see if any one had the audio recordings of Nieto's lectures on analogy our senior year. I think the person who made them may be a monk now...",
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"text": "Hi Joel, I don't think I have them, I'm afraid. I will root around a little anyway and see if I find anything",
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"name": "Jon Andrew",
"text": "Greig Btw, 133,873 left for us... http://recordsetter.com/.../comment-thread-facebook.../12596\nLongest Comment Thread On A Facebook Wall Post\nDawarKazi set this world record with RecordSetter, a...\nRECORDSETTER.COM",
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"text": "^ More distant and more solemn\nThan a fading star.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Sorry, just getting caught up on my morning reading. To the point made right after I went to sleep on dialog with Kenz. \nNo matter how \"good a thinker\" a person may be, it does not give them a pass to be immature.",
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"text": "It would be easier to think that a patriarch sinned in lust for taking multiple wives and still reaching sainthood or patriarch status than to assume all actions of a patriarch were not sinful",
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"text": "Although charity in assuming the best possible answer is nice.",
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"text": "If you remove sacramental marriage from the consideration than nearly any configuration for marriage could meet the end of rearing/educating children",
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"text": "(Since children do not only occur in marriage, although it is more ordered to production of children)",
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"text": "I'm curious, but the point still stands, that if the end of a sacrament insofar as it is a sacrament, and the \"primary end\" of procreation is ordered toward the final end. \nThe difference, it seems to me, between natural marriage and sacramental marriage is the grace one receives in that association so that it may be done well vis a vis salvation.",
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"text": "It is my understanding People who are unable to have children are allowed sacramental marriage since they would be \"open to children\" even though it may not be physically possible.",
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"text": "perhaps that's because the end of marriage is sanctification, not offspring, insofar as it is a sacramental marriage. (even if the proper end of offspring would be thwarted in this case, and the marriage would, according to the natural end, be lacking)",
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"text": "Yup. \nSo in one question would be in the \"rearing and education\" what does this mean; is it time based, direct action by parent or is indirect rearing and education sufficient?",
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"text": "Michael, I think marriage is unique among the sacraments because it is something prior to being part of the order of grace. The reason for making it a Sacrament seems less directly aimed at sanctification and more at making it easier for the couple to remain faithful (although, obviously, the latter is ordered to the former in some sense).",
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"text": "Jeff, I think there are certain physical impediments which are also impediments to marriage.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Can. 1084 \u00a71. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.\"",
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"text": "I think the \"rearing and education\" meanst that the family exists to bring children to self-sufficiency both according to bodily and soul.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Impotence may nullify a marriage or does it nullify all marriages ipso facto? Asking for a friend.",
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"text": "The only thing different between sacramental marriage and natural marriage is baptism.",
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"text": "True, Daniel. And a natural marriage can be licit with a dispensation!",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "BORING",
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"text": "Totally agree Jehoshaphat Escalante. Let's talk about mucus viscosity or something with a little more action!",
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"text": "I like the name change Jehoshaphat Escalante.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Shit Catholics say: \"Honey why are you handing me a thermometer?\"",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "We could talk about the likely event of the Dodgers going to the World Series.",
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"text": "and losing",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "We still haven't touched on Agrarianism, vaccinations, the American founding, just to use my irenic list of topics from way up above.\nPerhaps the last topic would be unhospitable, seeing as this is Peterson's wall and all.",
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"text": "The American founding? Or whether destruction of the rule of law is ever licit?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Or more generally: Whether one should ever follow Masons?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "How did I phrase it waaaay up above? \"Why the founding is based on evil enlightenment principles, or Guys, we totally used to sing songs that could be understood in some way as not contrary to the common good\" --this is why Norton thought I was a wolf: I love to watch ship-wrecks from the shore.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"text": "distinguish between the \"justness\" of the American Revolution and the \"unjustness\" of the Civil War",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Daniel Lendman--yes, perhaps it is time to discuss the Masons. I hear they are everywhere and control everything. Masons ran Vatican II!!!1!!!1!",
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"text": "Plus the McTaggert argument hinges on some very questionable presuppositions, which the author presents as if this is the only way to view time. Change is nothing other than an event going from future to present to past, pace McTaggert. This assertion is questionable. He subscribes to an event ontology, which necessitates his description of change in this way. Second, to use the argument from retorsion, if time is an illusion because there is no change, we still experience change when we are deluded since we are actually deluded as we move along the C series. Thus change does exist in our mental states, therefore there is time.",
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"text": "This is why I hate sites like Vox. Guy reads one philosophy argument, decides it must be valid and sound, then throws up article which proclaims that because time is an illusion (something he merely asserts by another's argument rather than proving conclusively), Apple shouldn't sell watches. Well, that's not a problem for apple, but for all watchmakers. Except this is ridiculous. May Vox and its ilk die soon. Vox is BuzzFeed with a BA.",
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"text": "Well, I didn't know that more traditional speech about marriage was \"outrageous\". Seeing as the substance of what I said was in the Liguori I posted as well....did I deny an obligation to rear children? No. Not at all. Is rearing children an end of the use of marriage? No. It is not. Procreation is. Rearing is an obligation that flows upon that, but is not an end, as such, of the use of marriage. Heck you can rear children without continuing the use of marriage after procreation.\nYes we simplify things and speak of the ends of marriage as being procreation and education, and unity, and remedying concupiscence (though that third is wholly ignored by most)\nThat was not the sense I was talking about, but I was referring to the \"essential\" ends Liguori mentions. Perhaps I should use a different terminology. E.g., the intrinsic essential ends are monogamy and the indissoluble bond. These exist even without the use of marriage. I believe the 1917 code calls them properties.\nSadly Aquinas did not treat of this question as such. He does treat of the \"goods of marriage\" which is a broader term than ends, but he treats of ends of marriage itself here, in the Super Sententias. Note carefully what he says. He does not say the primary end is \"the procreation and education\" \nAd primum ergo dicendum, quod in prole non solum intelligitur procreatio prolis, sed etiam educatio ipsius, ad quam sicut ad finem ordinatur tota communicatio operum quae est inter virum et uxorem, inquantum sunt matrimonio juncti, quia patres naturaliter thesaurizant filiis, ut patet 2 Corinth. 12, et sic in prole, quasi in principali fine, alius quasi secundarius includitur.\nTo the first therefore it must be said, that in offspring, not only the procreation of offspring, but also their education is understood, to which, just as to an end, the entire sharing of works which are between man and wife, inasmuch as they are joined in marriage, is ordered, since fathers naturally lay up treasures for their sons, as is clear in 2 Cor. 12. and thus, in offspring, as if in a principal end, includes another as it were secondary end. (Super Sent., lib. 4 d. 31 q. 1 a. 2 ad 1)\nIn a real sense, while the education of children is demanded by procreation, and is included with it as a GOOD of marriage, it is not itself an end of the use of marriage. And since valid and licit intent to marry follows upon the intrinsic essential ends and includes the licit reasons for the use of marriage, whereas the education of children belongs to the good of marriage, being a product, not of its use, but as an end of the common life of man and wife resulting therefrom, the education of children should be distinguished from the procreation here. So that, even if, insofar as the \"sharing of works\", that is common life is weakened in polygyny, the education of children is also hampered, still polygyny does not go directly against the end here, as to its principal part.",
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"text": "Joshua, I'm not sure how your citation from Aquinas leads one to think that the upbringing of children is not an end of marriage? Also, isn't \"being an end\" transitive? If X is an end for Y and Y for Z, then X is an end for Z.",
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"text": "Mr. Langley, re-read what I wrote....I didn't say it wasn't an end of marriage, I said the opposite of that.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--how do you deal w/ the texts I cited--where he explicitly deals w/ goods of marriage AND w/ the ends of marriage--from the Supplement, which is gathered from Thomas's commentary on the Sentences (iirc).",
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"text": "And, fwiw, Thomas does not seem to consider the cure of concupiscence an end of marriage per se. Perhaps there is a distinction b/w \"end of marriage\" and \"end of the use of marriage\"...",
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"text": "procreation doesn't require marriage... it is fairly common without it. Why have a long relationship bound in a marriage \"thing\" if all procreation takes is one night?",
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"text": "if not for rearing and education of children",
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"text": "I said it wasn't an end of the USE of marriage, but followed, quasi secondarius, from procreation of offspring, and both are understood by in prole, a good of marriage\nJoel HF I think we were quoting from the same place essentially",
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"text": "Procreation is not the only end of marriage, and furthermore are natural (i.e. non-sacramental) marriages indissolvable?",
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"text": "no",
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"text": "they're not",
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"text": "singles bars and alcohol end concupiscence... although the end is temporary",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--I do think that Q 65 of the supplement is where Thomas most directly deals w/ the ends of marriage. Here's the quote (I still have the cut and paste up, miraculously): \n\u201cMatrimonium ergo habet pro fine principali prolis procreationem et educationem: qui quidem finis competit homini secundum naturam sui generis: unde et aliis animalibus est communis.\u201d \nAnd further in the same article:\nThe secondary end--i.e. the one proper to man as man, and not just as animal--is \u201ccommunicationem operum quae sunt necessaria in vita\u201d (See Aristotle NE VIII 12).",
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"text": "Greig ^^ Richard Nutley",
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"text": "I defer to the knowledge of others who have studied moral theology. I would like to see what you make of the texts from Q 65 though, Joshua.",
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"text": "Josh, missed the distinction between end of marriage and end of use of marriage.",
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"text": "Although, I'm not sure I'll grant that the end of the use isn't education since the end of the use is instrumental relative to the ends of marriage and thus the latter still are ends of the use in some sense.",
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"text": "Yes and no. Even the power of the pope to dissolve marriage bonds, in not consummated marriages and in disparity of cult marriages was strongly resisted by theologians until the 18th century. Precisely because of the emphasis on indissolubility makes this hard to justify\nSt. Thomas justifies the dissolution of the bond, when not consummated, through the taking of vows, by saying that entering religious life is drying to the world spiritually, and hence death separates. But once consummated, only bodily death suffices!\nNow, divorce is forbidden even to purely natural marriages, ony the Church can grant divorce in those case, as a privilege for the faith. Maybe one could make a similar argument, that being baptised into Christ changes things? But then the controversial until recently Petrine privilege doesn't jive well...which is why it was resisted!",
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"text": "Greig ^ again, Richard Nutley",
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"text": "Doesn't St. Paul basically say, if your non-baptized pre-conversion spouse wants a divorce, grant it? Or am I misremembering. Anyway, Thomas implies that marriage as sacrament is what makes it truly indissolvable.",
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"text": "Yes, that is the Pauline privilege. But it remains that divorce is forbidden even to natural marriages, save as a privilege of faith (Pauline privilege)",
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"text": "St. Paul allows it because Baptism is a real death.",
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"text": ".\nCan. 1141 A marriage that is ratum et consummatum can be dissolved by no human power and by no cause, except death.\nCan. 1142 For a just cause, the Roman Pontiff can dissolve a non-consummated marriage between baptized persons or between a baptized party and a non-baptized party at the request of both parties or of one of them, even if the other party is unwilling.\nCan. 1143 \u00a71. A marriage entered into by two non-baptized persons is dissolved by means of the pauline privilege in favor of the faith of the party who has received baptism by the very fact that a new marriage is contracted by the same party, provided that the non-baptized party departs.\n\u00a72. The non-baptized party is considered to depart if he or she does not wish to cohabit with the baptized party or to cohabit peacefully without aVront to the Creator unless the baptized party, after baptism was received, has given the other a just cause for departing.",
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"text": "Just some authorities.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, btw, read Cajetan's commentary on Ia Q 12 Art 1--w/r/t the dispute we were having WAAAY above. I'll note that the first thing Cajetan notes is that the article is dealing with whether \"any created intellect\" can know God and not with whether any \"human intellect\" can.",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz, the original quote of yours I took exception to was confusing, if you truly were talking about the end of the *use* of marriage and not the end of marriage simply. I think discussing the end of marriage is more relevant to the issue of polygamy.",
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"text": "No discussion among TACers can avoid sex talk for very long.",
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"text": "So, a Roman who divorced and remarried and THEN converted--does he have to put his wife away?",
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"text": "I do think there is some confusion in terminology here. Ends, goods, properties, are all used differently in different authors. Perhaps I should have avoided Liguori's manner of speaking....",
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"text": "Seems rather harsh for the Gentile nations. Israelites have a special dispensation to divorce AND take multiple wives. Gentiles--one wife, no divorce! Good luck with that!",
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"text": "No. My understanding is that the prohibition is of divine positive law, and was given by Jesus. Though it is a question what about before that with the Gentiles...Christ says Moses allowed it...which means it is after the Noahide covenant",
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"text": "Yeah, just convert to Judaism.... although an adult bris may be required.",
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"text": "^So the dispensation would be for \"all peoples\"? And Thomas understands the reason for the prohibition for Christians to be because marriage is a sign of Christ and his Church and Christ is one etc.",
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"text": "???\nI am not sure about whom the dispensation was for (both Jews and Gentiles?) But it is certain that after Christ no one, not Jews, pagans are Christians can take multiple wives or divorce (save the few odd cases, Pauline, Petrine, non consummatum, etc)\nIs there a question about whether St. Thomas things polygamy is prohibited now to pagans/Jews? I am not sure when that was settled (Benedict XIV certainly thinks it as settled)....",
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"text": "If it's of divine positive law, Joshua, wouldn't it only bind the baptized to whom it was promulgated?",
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"text": "This discussion is all moot now, since the Archangel Maroni relieved us of that silly \"1 wife at a time\" requirement.",
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"text": "No, it binds everyone. That is why only the Church can grant divorce to anyone",
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"text": "There is no question that St. Thomas thinks that polygamy is contrary to natural law. And God of course could dispense it (assuming polygamy to be contrary in a way that it could be dispensed) for everyone, baptized or not. The question is whether Christ's new teaching on marriage apply to everyone or just the baptized. Also whether the original dispensation only applied to the Israelites.",
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"text": "Oh yeah! Well Matt Walsh says monogamy is not natural! \nSamantha Cohoe, you'll love this!\nhttp://themattwalshblog.com/.../01/07/monogamy-is-unnatural/\nMonogamy is unnatural - The Matt Walsh Blog\nMonogamous marriages are unnatural. On this, I agree...\nTHEMATTWALSHBLOG.COM",
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"text": "Who is Matt Walsh?",
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"text": "For the record, on the whole I think he is rather foolish.",
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"text": "A fool, Joel. Just another fool.",
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"text": "what do you mean who is Matt Walsh",
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"text": "uuuuuuugh Matt Walsh",
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"text": "I'm not reading it, but if he means not in accord with our fallen nature, then sure",
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"text": "Sorry, Jeff. I didn't mean to offend.",
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"text": "That sounds like a challenge...",
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"text": "bring it on!",
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"text": "I mean I'd never heard of him. My finger is far from the pulse of Catholic blogdom. Thank heavens.",
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"text": "Yup. He and his wife are very close friends of ours.",
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"text": "So no one ever answered this--to what extent, if any, is Calvin's doctrine on predestination different from Thomas's? Joshua Kenz; Samantha Cohoe; Jehoshaphat Escalante",
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"text": "Double vs. single predestination.",
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"text": "(as I understand it)",
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"text": "I don't think so. It's the difference between saying that God permits an evil vs. saying that God wills an evil.",
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"text": "Joel-- I don't know for sure, though I'm sure there's lots of overlap and they both pretty much lifted their views from Augustine",
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"text": "Reading Thomas on the subject reminds me of the caricature (not in a bad sense) version of double predestination that I learnt as a kid, but with lots of distinctions thrown in and presented much more carefully. But I'm not sure I even understand Thomas's teaching, and heaven knows this is hardly a settled question in the church (either as to the actual doctrine or as to what St. Thomas thought).",
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"text": "I looked at the Summa passages recently, Joel, and he's pretty careful to distinguish what God orders from what he permits (ordinat vs. permittit).",
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"text": "Calvin's doctrine on predestination need not be read as all that different than Aquinas or Augustine. \nThis is a gross simplification, especially since TULIP is not always like by Calvinists to summarize their doctrine here, but take it for what it is worth\nTotal Depravity- Any actual Calvinist I have read does not understand this as I had been led to think they do. What I mean is, if one says, simpliciter, that every act before justification is a sin, sure that is wrong. But every act before justification is a sin, in a certain respect. This is explicit in Augustine and is in Aquinas too, who understands it to mean that no act can be rightly ordered to our due final end. Which is true.\nUnconditional election- God elects some people for salvation, without regarding foreseen merits. If we understand by this complete predestination (that is both to grace and glory) that all Catholics agree that it is unconditional, it would be heretical semi-pelagianism to say otherwise. If understood as referring only to the election to glory, and not to grace, then some Molinists (not all) hold that this is conditional, but most theologians, historically, have held unconditional (Thomist, Congruists, Syncretists, Augustinians, Scotists). Consequently, excepting the late Fr. Most and his weird positions, all Catholics hold that positive reprobation (the decree predestining this person to hell) is based on foreseen demerits (as Augustine holds quite explicitly), but some Molinists hold that negative reprobation (the passing over and permitting to sin) is based on foreseen sin, but most, including Molinists, hold that negative reprobation is unconditional (oterwise circular...the permission to sin is given because of foreseen sin?).\nIf we understand double-predestination to mean God, from all eternity, predestines some to heaven and others to hell. Well that is Catholic doctrine, even if we came to use predestination to refer to election, and reprobation for the decree to damnation to avoid confusion. If we understand it to means complete predestination (both the end and the means thereto), then we only hold this as unconditional and predestined with election (as God is the cause not just of glory but of merits), but we deny it of reprobation (God decrees the sentence, He does not cause us to sin). Again, most Calvinists I have read would hold a similar distinction and would not make God a predestinator of evil.\nLimited Atonement- If this is understood to mean that, in every sense, Christ died only for the elect, then we hold this as heretical. Similarly, in a Jansenist context, if it means Christ died only for the faithful (namely only for those that will obtain grace at some point, even if they should fall later), it is offensive to pious ears and savoring of heresy (those are the Church's words)\nBut if we understand it to mean that Christ's death is only effective for the elect, or the faithful in general, but sufficient for all, and we affirm the antecedent will to save all men, then this is in accord with the Roman Catechism explaining \"for many\". Further, Calvinists are divided on how to understand this. I myself have read Calvin make a similar distinction to Aquinas's antecedent and consequent wills. I believe \"will of decree\" and \"prescriptive will\" was the distinction.\nRemember that Aquinas says, simply speaking God does NOT will the salvation of all, but only secundum quid. And this seems obviously true, in that God could predestine everyone to heaven regardless of your views on how that works, but does not.\nIrresistible Grace- We must say that the will is free to resist even under the influence of efficacious grace, but what does that mean? By definition it will not resist under efficacious grace after all. The way it can resist is only the same as when I say \"I am sitting, I could stand. But while I am sitting I cannot be standing\" \nFrom my understanding, some Calvinists present irresistible grace as a victorious delectation, which is Augustinianism. And this is held both in a corrupted form by Jansenists, and by Augustinians. One is condemned, the other approved. Approval is made on the condition that one does not hold it as something extrinsically necessitating the will. But the necessity is interior. Here, through an infallible moral motion of the will. Others I have heard explain it like Thomists, with the physical pre-motion of the will. Others do not think it wise to explain.\nI have yet to meet a Calvinist that holds there is no freedom in the act. Whether the details of how this or that one holds the workings are compatible with Catholic doctrine, well that varies. But I think as a general doctrine, it need not be opposed\nPerseverance of the Saints- The doctrine that one who is justified will not fall from that state. Here we clearly disagree. To Calvinists anyone predestined to grace is predestined to glory. We hold some come to grace, but fall and do not obtain glory.",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat Escalante can correct me on any of the points about Calvinist doctrine. I know it is not always as monolithic as the caricature I learned,and I know there are many internet commenters that self-label Calvinist who fit the caricatures. But thus is my understanding of serious Calvinist theology.",
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"text": "For Michael Beitia\nCalvinists don't all agree on everything, but by and large what they hold on predestination is not contrary to what Catholics may hold, with the exception of the belief that those who come to grace do not fall away from grace (if predestined to grace you are predestined to glory)\nWas that short enough?",
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"text": "Or say something radical, which would inspire a reader to pay attention.",
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"text": "Wish me luck y'all - featuring my poetry tonight in front of real live poets. Cheers! I will compose an ode to TNET if all goes well. ",
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"text": "Bonne chance!",
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"text": "write a poem on the magic phone.",
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"text": "Friiiiiiiiiiday!!!\nhttp://youtu.be/r5WgYoRCs2U\nThe Dubliners & the Pogues - Whiskey in the jar\nFrom their collaboration in 1987\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "good version....Metallica, Thin Lizzy, The Dead, all the real irish versions....never gets old.",
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"text": "It's good craic.",
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"text": "maybe here this in church one day at midnight mass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jFn9T1ge2g",
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"text": "this too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au30c9ZMIPg\nThe Pogues With The Dubliners\nthe pogues perform the irish rover with the dubliners RIP RONNIE DREW\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "And this:\nhttp://youtu.be/gMMgIqW9vso\nDirty old town - The Pogues\nBrilliant song\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "the barque of ireland...a song for Ian Paisley",
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"text": "I'm a bit torn about Paisley. What he did in his last few years to bring about the peace was noble ... but man, what a life. May God forgive him.",
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"text": "on bbc today, he said in an old interview that he had a brush with death-and it focused his thinking...a hard man...400 years of orange men in one voice...there will never be another Reverend Ian Paisley.",
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"text": "just as long as you stick to \"dirty old town\" and not the sick bed of Cuchulainn.",
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"text": "i never liked dirty old town....but, It was Christmas Eve, in the drunk tank-and old man said to me, not see another one-than he sang a song- ...The Rare Old Mountain Dew\nI turned my face away\nAnd dreamed about you",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEe7_b6NHtA\nThe Pogues - The Rocky Road To Dublin\nPreviously unreleased\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "if the barque of peter wasn't divine, the wee boys would have kicked the bottom out of it.",
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"text": "maybe better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCoUj3kSwrc\nThe dropkick murphys- Rocky road to dublin\nuber irish rock song\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RKkMKbocjOA\nUNACCEPTABLE!!!!!\nLemongrab - Unacceptable Back and Forth\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Play whatever you want, Jeff: the thread is wide open ...",
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"text": "cmon Jeff...Ian Paisley only gets to die once....and there is some dancing in some sectors around. ",
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"text": "It's times like these when I'm proud to say: I have zero Irish blood in me. (JOKE! I know how sensitive you Irish types are)",
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"text": "ETA or IRA?",
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"text": "I actually like Richard Serra's work, but 'de gustibus ...'",
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"text": "disagree?:\nhttp://www.apite.eu/.../_migr.../pics/guggenheim4744x300.png\nAPITE.EU",
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"text": "Did you hear the one about the IRA foot soldier who went to confession?",
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"text": "And so the priest says: \"Okay, I will absolve you, but for your pennance I want you to do the Stations.",
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"text": "Yes, it looks like that other one of his, in downtown L.A.",
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"text": "here's the opera:\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Frank_Gehry\nList of works by Frank Gehry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nThis list of works by Frank Gehry categorizes the work of...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "crap from top to bottom",
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"text": "It's a Transformer sleeping.",
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"text": "except instead of sleeping in the shape of a car or truck, it is an inside out fun house",
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"text": "I that a big rock, Jeffie?",
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"text": "on two walls?",
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"text": "A big rock on a ditch.... They shut down the freeway system to move it on a huge truck.",
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"text": "Sperm, meet egg.",
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"text": "Catherine Ryland Bring up Euclid's Fifth Postulate just for giggles?",
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"text": "It's back, Samantha; just when I thought I was going to get some writing done.",
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"text": "Did we do this, Daniel? Others were whining, too, but from the timing it appears that Matthew heeded our sadness in particular.",
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"text": "Somebody tag Isak, I want to know how his poetry reading went.",
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"text": "You guys have really slowed down. I was expecting exponential growth.",
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"text": "Do you think Matthew was getting complaints? I take the new instruction on blocking TNET to be evidence of this thesis.",
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"text": "beats me? I just want all these super smart Aristotelian-Thomist types to explain to me quantum mechanics using only matter and form. That should be good for a couple hundred comments, and laughs.",
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"text": "FACT: Aristotle's physics are out-dated, and don't take into account the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics in describing nature.\nFACT: matter and form only describe notional or human made divisions and not nature (unless the division is tautological)",
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"text": "I think Caleb might. I'll ask him at dinner and get back to you.",
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"text": "But that hasn't stopped us/them from writing about relativity or hell even classical mechanics, now has it?",
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"text": "Is everybody impressed that Cornel West thinks Jane Austen is all about freedom?",
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"text": "http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/.../CornelWest.jpg\nTHEOCCIDENTALOBSERVER.NET",
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"text": "That's Cornel West's disappointed face.",
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"text": "I hope you feel chastened.",
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"text": "So Scottish Independence. For or against?",
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"text": "Or is that too relevant a topic to be discussed amongst TAC alum?",
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"text": "I'm against it for reasons of historical aestheticism.",
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"text": "I love Brother West. Here he is in a cab talking about Plato et al.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfD3X3f5C_w\nExamined Life - Cornel West\nCornel West excerpts from Examined Life, a 2008 documentary film directed by Astra Taylor. The film...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "This is not a deeply thought out position. I think it's pleasing the way the line of succession joined up both nations in James I and VI. Great Britain is awesome and did lots of awesome things and it would be sad if it went out of existence.",
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"text": "Is there still a Stuart claimant kicking around somewhere hoping the Jacobites take control of Scottish parliament?",
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"text": "Wait, so does Franz have a real shot at taking the Scottish throne if independence happens? If so, I reverse my position",
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"text": "Sadly for us Jacobites, none since the cardinal king Henry IX have actually claimed their rightful throne. Luckily, the divine right of kings needs the consent of neither the governed nor governor.",
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"text": "'Merica's back 40, right?",
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"text": "So Scotland would still be in the Commonwealth? Laaaaaame.",
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"text": "That is not how to claim Independence, guys.",
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"text": "sort of grew up side by side with the myth of \"nation state\"",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman--we already established that the Stuarts are the rightful kings. Also, Michael Beitia, I suspect you of harboring modernist enlightenment principles!",
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"text": "suspect away, I'm a card-carrying anarchist",
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"text": "But \"free.\"",
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"text": "Even King David derived is right to rule from the consent of the people of Israel.",
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"text": "which species of anarchism are you talking about? Bakunin? Kropotkin? Proudhon?",
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"text": "I'm a left-authoritarian type of guy: I can't keep track of all your divisions. It's worse than protestantism.",
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"text": "bwahahaha ...... nothing's worse than Protestantism",
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"text": "except popery.",
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"text": "King David derived his right to rule from the consent of the people?",
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"text": "On that libertarian bar-graph thingy, I always come out way to the left and slightly into the authoritarian quadrant.",
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"text": "Not on the division thing, though. You've got us beat, there.",
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"text": "Libertarians suck",
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"text": "What about potpourri?",
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"text": "interesting, I always come out way to the left and not authoritarian. (unless they ask about social issues like pornography, then I float more toward authoritarian)",
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"text": "Libertarians? \nAyn Rand as the natural successor and fulfillment of Aristotle: GO!",
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"text": "Strong words on Scotland.",
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"text": "he follows up the potentia, by saying \n\"Modern physics is of course not satisfied with only qualitative description of the fundamental structure of matter; it must try on the basis of careful experimental investigations to get a mathematical formulation of those natural laws that determine the \"forms\" of matter....\"\nI'm home next to my book case now",
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"text": "this is fun. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01124a.htm\nCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Actus Et Potentia\nA technical expression in scholastic phraseology used to translate Aristotle's energeia or entelecheia, and dynamis\nNEWADVENT.ORG",
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"text": "On another subject, I just found out that it's common practice for Catholic parishes to charge per child for Sunday school. What the what??",
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"text": "frankly, I find the idea of \"sunday school\" or \"children's programs\" to be pandering. I hate pandering",
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"text": "Oh please. What's pandering about teaching children about Jesus? Is it pandering to support families attempting to bring up their children in the faith?",
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"text": "And I know y'all don't call it a service, but I'd already used \"mass\" in the sentence. Anyway, isn't service sort of a generic term?",
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"text": "Sorry, I didn't mean to make condescending assumptions or anything. I just don't see why you would say Sunday school is \"talking down\" to kids if you hadn't had a bad experience. I've been in just about every kind of church too. Sunday school can be bad if its done badly, but that's a bug, not a feature.",
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"text": "But there is Sunday school and there's Sunday school. And there's bad homilies and there're homilies that are an occasion of sin for which taking out crying babies is a remedy.",
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"text": "but seriously, what happened to physics contra Aristoilet, adn #mathgnoisi!!? we have been derailed",
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"name": "John FitzGerald",
"text": "Okay, mine makes 18,020.",
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"text": "Never heard Aristoilet before.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "May I submit this as another of TNET's many themes? \"The road goes on forever and the party never ends.\"\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6HfWp-eh0\nThe Highwaymen - The Road Goes On Forever\nFrom the album The Road Goes On Forever (10th...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "like Aristotle, only all his arguments are crap",
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"text": "Does he make any sounds when you kick him, or does he just gurgle?",
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"name": "Jeff Stouffer",
"text": "Yeah, things are looking up.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Phew. Just submitted 2 proposals to the Kalamazoo Medieval Congress at the midnight hour.",
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"text": "So I've got no takers in a defense of Aristotle's physics?\nHow about a question: does a rock have a substantial form? Or do all the diverse parts of the rocks have substantial forms, and the whole is an accidental unity? Does it really make sense to talk about substantial forms outside of living things?",
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"text": "I would take you up but my ignorance has been exposed too many times already. Good questions but physics is filed in my memory archives under Lethe.",
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"text": "what is the substantial form of a cat? That which makes a cat to be a cat. the particular instantiation of catness. The whatness of the stufficity whereby one cats a cat.",
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"text": "crap. I forgot \"thinghood\"",
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"text": "An essentially hypocritical whatness or a cosmetically clean and pure animal that preens continually and licks the unlickable to have the most spotless anus.",
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"text": "We have had some 12 cats in the last year. Distinguishing attributes and properties from their quiddity is my science.",
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"text": "The substantial forms of inanimate things are weak yet still the principle of unity. In the case of animate things they are stronger but naming is never as precise as we would want. It is but straw in the end and yet invaluable straw that prevents absurdities. Without them the world is unintelligible and the atomists and nominalists do not escape the problem either; they betray their reliance in ordinary speech.",
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"text": "how is it not tautological?",
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"text": "When it falls away from the form, it is less than what it was supposed to be.\nStanding cat is not cat, but it looks like one at times.",
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"text": "it lacks the catness of caticity?",
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"text": "Less catastic due to uncatly behavior",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Catastrophic catness admits of cat-tastic degree? Schrodinger may have something to say about that",
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"text": "Or not",
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"text": "Schrodinger is dead..... or is he?",
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"name": "Erik Bootsma",
"text": "I can has or can not has?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Forget medieval logic. All hail \"thought\" \"experiment\". #mathgnosis",
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"name": "David Upham",
"text": "I shall never depart from this thread.",
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"text": "These are serious questions (originally) John, I don't see how Aristotle's physics means anything.",
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"text": "If all we mean by \"substantial form\" is what it is to be what it is, I don't see how anything can be deduced or learned from this tautology",
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"text": "I agree that your questions are serious but I am really too illiterate to answer. I have similar concerns though about modern physics: mathematical formulae seem to hide more than they reveal and veer off into the land of fantasy and absurdity: and that is an age old criticism of physics: give them time and they refute themselves. But thanks to you I am now wondering what the whatness of everything is. Barfield's \"Saving the Appearances\" is a corrective for seeing only invisible atoms, but is not demonstrative proof. I haven't read the physics in too long but the intelligibility of things requires a doctrine of forms. The alternatives lead to absurdities.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Well, the first question is: can you really explain change without recourse to form and matter?",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "It is too early for politicians to presume on our forgetting that the public good, the real welfare of the great body of the people, is the supreme object to be pursued; and that no form of government whatever has any other value than as it may be fitted for the attainment of this object. Were the plan of the convention adverse to the public happiness, my voice would be, Reject the plan. Were the Union itself inconsistent with the public happiness, it would be, Abolish the Union. In like manner, as far as the sovereignty of the States cannot be reconciled to the happiness of the people, the voice of every good citizen must be, Let the former be sacrificed to the latter",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And \"catness\" is not the same as \"the substantial form of cat\" since \"catness\" includes matter disposed to receive such a form.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Edward, yes. yes I can",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Matthew, so you're an anarchist too?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "\"substantial form of cat\" has only notional existence, because it is not separable from cat",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "Cat = \"fur + tail\" That is the cat test. Does it have fur? Does it have a tail? Then it must be a cat.",
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"text": "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--szrOHtR6U\nVeggieTales: Monkey Silly Song\nSilly Song from Big Idea, the makers of VeggieTales. This song can be seen on the DVD entitled, \"The Wonderful...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "http://dims.vetstreet.com/.../thum.../645x380/quality/90/...\nDIMS.VETSTREET.COM",
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"name": "Max Summe",
"text": "^^^ not a cat",
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"text": "no, it's an ape",
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"text": "But does the notional participate in a (non analogous) way?",
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"text": "Here is a cat http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/10d-17/vervet-monkey.jpg\nMCCULLAGH.ORG",
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"text": "Note both the fur and the tail.",
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"text": "no, it's a monkey",
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"text": "If I rearrange the dna sequence of a chicken I get a small dinosaur. Is it a toothed chicken with scales, or what? how does substantial form explain anything more than simply a rearrangement of parts?",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Samantha started reading Gilead yesterday. Didn't realize it was set in Iowa, the tone is very Iowan. Congregationalist are a rural minority around here too, afaik. Very promising!",
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"text": "It explains the principle of a thing's unicity and intelligibility.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Did you really create a chickosaurus?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "BTW: \"WHERE ALL THE 'RISTOTHOMISTS AT?!\"",
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"name": "Dominic Bolin",
"text": "It takes too long to type anything with one hand, so I just don't bother.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "https://www.londontheatredirect.com/.../CatsToMakeWestEnd...\nLONDONTHEATREDIRECT.COM",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Abandon forms and down down the slick slope to militant magisterial nominalist fideism. . . . aka PB/SW. RIP",
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"text": "Matter without form is just algae",
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"text": "not even: blocks, stones, worse than senseless things . . if that. And even the stone ...",
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"text": "there's no matter without form. they are inseparable. (one might extend this to say simply: there's no matter and form.....)",
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"text": "I think 'ristothomists duck the question because matter/form notional distinction can't explain modern science. It works well as a pre-scientific understanding, but get Ockhamized in the end",
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"text": "disagree. But I don't have the comprehensive theory for everything perfected. A couple stones to polish.",
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"text": "As things increase in complexity the need for a principle of unicity is more apparent. But things like mud and stone and atoms appear to have almost no form at all. Rather they are matter to be ordered and stuff to be taken up by beings of higher form. Modern science is at loss to explain the ordering and unifying principle: it would be tidier if the question didn't exist.",
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"text": "ack biology is just applied chemistry, chemistry is just applied physics, and physics is just applied mathematics. \nunicity is meaningless at the most basic level. (a pile of stones has no form, but each of the constituents must, right?) I suppose the question of modern science pushes the level of unicity to another level. Are atoms fundamental? yes and no. are the constituents of atoms (protons, neutrons, electrons) fundamental? yes and no. where is the unicity? All electrons are the same",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "So DNA on the cellular level is the unifying and ordering principle of the oak?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "All the individual cells just tap into the world spirit or sumfin', and voila, they get on the same page without any need for commitees to assign and oversee the formation and proper alignment of xylum?",
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"text": "biology is messy. But formality makes more sense with living things. but isn't there a sort of mathematical unity that is given to something by virtue of structure on the DNA level?",
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"text": "mathematics idolatry still. Just smash it Michael.",
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"text": "No. I see problems with the substantial form but I will stick with it until the next best thing. I can't answer your objections but it gets messy as you acknowledge without it.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Beitia has already seen this, but I'm adding it to the thread because I know there are other fans of Darnielle / Mountain Goats out there. (Sam Rocha maybe?)\nhttp://electricliterature.com/interview-john-darnielle.../\nINTERVIEW: John Darnielle, author of Wolf in White Van\nNearly every song on John Darnielle\u2019s fourteen albums...\nELECTRICLITERATURE.COM",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I'm a big fan, but his politics are just so terrible.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "I don't know about his politics, but don't tell me. I don't want to spoil the music.",
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"text": "I saw him play as a duo with his bassist in Detroit in 2013. He didn't say much between songs. It was a great set. Anyway, I'm not trying to argue about it -- I usually don't pay any attention to a musician's politics unless it's an integral part of his/her music (e.g., Billy Bragg).",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson: I fear that it may be necessary one day, (if it isn't already necessary today,) to abolish the Union for the preservation of the public good.",
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"text": "I have a question for the denizens of TNET. What exactly was the manna in the desert? The Israelites jokingly called it \"what,\" but what did they call it when they weren't joking?",
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"text": "Tofu. Dried Tofu. Now you know why they complained so much.",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, the Jacobite heir is a Bavarian duke at this time. The last real claimant to the throne was Henry Cardinal Benedict Stuart. He almost became pope, and so came very close to uniting in his person king of England and head of Church!\nIn his latter years he was financially supported by the Hannover 'pretenders'. And the monument, in the Vatican, to the Stuart kings, including the good Cardinal Duke of York, was last restored through generous donation from Elizabeth....really think they have reconciled ",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, authority is not derived from consent of the govern, you heretic!\nI kid, I kid. It frustrates me to no end that I have every issue of the Thomist save the 1950's, because there were some great articles in that decade. One was on various competing theories of the authority of governance. Bossuet, Suarez, Thomas...it was fascinating and the author was better versed than I in explaining Thomas here . First, to show I submit to the magisterium\n\"Those who believe civil society to have risen from the free consent of men, looking for the origin of its authority from the same source, say that each individual has given up something of his right,[15] and that voluntarily every person has put himself into the power of the one man in whose person the whole of those rights has been centered. But it is a great error not to see, what is manifest, that men, as they are not a nomad race, have been created, without their own free will, for a natural community of life. It is plain, moreover, that the pact which they allege is openly a falsehood and a fiction, and that it has no authority to confer on political power such great force, dignity, and firmness as the safety of the State and the common good of the citizens require. Then only will the government have all those ornaments and guarantees, when it is understood to emanate from God as its august and most sacred source. (Diurturnum, Leo XIII)\"\nIn a rather nasty non-debate I had with some Americanists, in which a priest had to repeatedly call people on misrepresenting what I said, I summed up my views thusly, and this still makes the best sense tome\n\"Government derives all of its just authority from the common good. The actual establishment of goverment may be of different types. The authority comes from God. Those are the propositions which all Catholics must agree with. The particular Thomistic view I take is actual far more congenial to a \"democracy\" than other permissable views. It is simply this, there is a natural law inclination to form in a society. It is necessary that such be governed, so there is an obligation to set up one, a few or many in charge. This does not require explicit consent, but only tacit, and the authority is not derived from the consent as from its source, rather it is usually determined by it. In extraordinary cases even that is not needed, as say in the papacy or when God Himself, in the Old Testament, chose rulers.\"\nBut to see someone who really knows his stuff, see if you cannot find Thomist 16, 71-81, 11 p. January 1953",
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"text": "Also from Diurturnum (I forgot how great that Encyclical is)\n5. Indeed, very many men of more recent times, walking in the footsteps of those who in a former age assumed to themselves the name of philosophers,(2) say that all power comes from the people; so that those who exercise it in the State do so not as their own, but as delegated to them by the people, and that, by this rule, it can be revoked by the will of the very people by whom it was delegated. But from these, Catholics dissent, who affirm that the right to rule is from God, as from a natural and necessary principle.\n6. It is of importance, however, to remark in this place that those who may be placed over the State may in certain cases be chosen by the will and decision of the multitude, without opposition to or impugning of the Catholic doctrine. And by this choice, in truth, the ruler is designated, but the rights of ruling are not thereby conferred. Nor is the authority delegated to him, but the person by whom it is to be exercised is determined upon.",
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"text": "saying \"all authority comes from God\" seems to me to be like answering \"for the greater glory of God\" to any historical question.",
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"text": "Isak Benedict, when I was briefly in Catholic school (after my first foray into public school, but before my one semester of \"homeschool\"), I was taught the manna was bird shit. Literal bird shit.",
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"text": "http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna\nManna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nManna (Hebrew: \u05de\u05b8\u200f\u05df\u200e) or al-Mann wa al-Salwa (Arabic: \u0627\u0644\u0645\u064e\u0646\u0651 \u0648 \u0627\u0644\u0633\u0644\u0648\u0649\u200e, Kurdish: gezo, Persian: \u06af\u0632\u0627\u0646\u06af\u0628\u06cc\u0646\u200e), sometimes or...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "13 That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14 When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, \u201cWhat is it?\u201d For they did not know what it was.",
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"text": "Heh, heh, heh. Quail turds.",
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"text": "Some kind of entheogen would make sense, like the kykeon of the Eleusinian Mysteries.",
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"text": "If they let it sit, the good book says it became nasty and full of maggots right quick. Had to boil it so it would keep, I think.",
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"text": "Obviously it was polenta. Or grits.",
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"text": "This has been on my newsfeed for weeks. I've just noticed how many posts it has....",
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"text": "Haydock says it was not Arabian manna...hmm I don't even know what Arabian manna is!",
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"text": "Welcome, Tim Hsiao. TNET has drawn you here. TNET is always here.\nWhat is TNET? Well, TNET is what gives your comments their power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.",
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"text": "But it does spoil if they try to save it for later without boiling it, no?",
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"text": "Aloysius Wilson Is TNET expecting children? Can it even reproduce?",
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"text": "except Sabbath.",
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"text": "But I just read New Advent. My Bible is unopened.",
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"text": "\"It is plain, moreover, that the pact they allege is openly a falsehood and a fiction.\" The antecedent of they? Rousseau? Hobbes? ",
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"text": "Joshua, I wouldn't deny what you said. Although I think there is room for \"consent of the governed\" in those declarations. This is not opposed, simply speaking, to authority coming from God. \nAt least this is how I have always understood things. Perhaps I am wrong.",
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"text": "Lendman I was being somewhat tongue in cheek. The article I recommended makes it clear that consent of the governed in some way plays a role in every Catholic theory here, including Aquinas's. Bossuet's was a certain kind of \"designation\" theory, whereas Suarez and Bellarmine had a kind of transference theory (and held that pure democracy was naturally presupposed). Whereas Aquinas held that pure democracy was not a natural form of government, and hence not presupposed by the rule of one, a few, or many. But still his view was not quite the same as Bossuet's.\nAnd in anycase, I don't think such a mechanism is needed with say David. My understanding is that, for Aquinas, the actual establishment of a rule is required by the natural law, but if that rule is established directly by the source of authority, God, then the secondary causality of our politicking is unnecessary.",
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"text": "ETA: the other theory is the \"transmission theory\" Not transference. Transference mistates it\nThe problem, why we can reject the claim that the origin/source/basis of the authority is the consent of the governed, is threefold\n1. Some authority is given in nature, as father over son. The father need not his son's consent in order to bind him in conscience\n2. Some authority is given by God directly, as in the pope. The pope does not need the consent of the faithful to govern\n3. Just as no individual merely by being a member of a common society can have authority over another of that same society, neither can any number of them, even a majority. Conversely, even in our system, even if the vast majority disagree, still those in governance have lawful authority for this or that act, and that authority may bind in conscience.\nThe analogy with fatherhood is apropos. The son is not free to choose whether to be governed or not. It is given is nature. Likewise with society. Now Bellarmine and Suarez recognized this, and proceeded to argue that therefore, since society needs a rule, that authority, given by God (or else it could not bind in conscience) is primordially and naturally present in the whole (pure democracy is a natural form). But Aquinas doesn't lend himself to this. Rule requires some form of hierarchy and unitive principle. And so this authority never belongs, even considered hypothetically, to the mass of the people, but still, by an obligation of the natural law, and often tacitly rather than openly (I think of Rick's rise to leadership, initially, in the Walking Dead...) they do transmit said authority to one, a few or many. Not give, but transmit. It only has the form, as it were, of authority when so transmitted and not before.\nThe designation theory, on the other hand, given by Bossuet would hold it something akin to how Cardinals select the pope. The merely designate the man to whom God grants authority. They in no sense transfer authority to him, as if it were theirs to grant, as indeed their entire authority derives from him\nYou are going to love this, Daniel Lendman, but Cajetan can be credited with introducing both the transmission and designation theories! He ascribed the former to royal authority, the latter to papal. Suarez and Bellarmine took the former to a different conclusion, though, that I hold is Aquinas's (and correct).\nSo we could say, if I am right, that the formation of political authority is like the establishment of human law. Natural law may dictate that one should drive on one side of the road (insofar as self-preservation leads to demanding certain safety rules). But this or that is determined by human law. In the family, the determination of authority is more or less already given, but in political society it pertains to \"the consent of the governed\" to give it its further determination, without which it does not exist (just as the rule to drive on one side cannot exist unless which side that is is determined).\nDoes this seem tenable?",
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"text": "To be clear: you are saying that the consent of the governed at some level or at some time or in some manner must be given to make the one, the few, or the many the ultimate authority in a given regime?",
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"text": "Yes, explicitly or tacitly.",
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"text": "Well with the exception of divine intervention. Just as with the papacy, God could just say \"hey guys, Bob here will be your king. obey him\"\nKind of causing the effect directly rather than through the natural processes there though...",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Are you considering the consent of the governed to be a principle of lawful government, or merely a condition of it?",
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"text": "More clearly - the way Matthew stated your position makes it sound like you are merely pointing out an obvious condition for government to exist. A people that will not be ruled, will not be ruled. Are you claiming further that the consent of the governed is a _cause_ of government?",
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"text": "Yes it is.",
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"text": "Of course, once established the acts of the sovereign remain binding in conscience (presuming they are not unjust laws, etc) as long as there is some ordering to the common good, even if a majority disagree with this or that law/act etc (practical difficulties aside). The common good is the justification for the acts of government. Consent of the governed for who will govern. God for the basis of its authority, even over the will of one who does not want to be governed.\nIt seems to me that once established, it is not like the new members, upon the age of reason, deliberate about consent. Natural law is that there be an authority, and an authority is already, in the case of an existing society, a given (at least normally).",
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"text": "I am not sure if you are saying authority is derived from the consent of the governed or not. Could you explain what the difference is between authority \"derived by\" and \"determined by\" the consent of those governed?\nDoes my question make sense? I might just be missing something.",
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"text": "I am denying that it is derived by the consent of the governed",
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"text": "That would imply that the authority, as such, was theirs to give or that it was constituted, as such, by their consent. Neither can be the case. Still, it does belong to them, in any of the Catholic theories, to give determination to the form of government, most frequently tacitly",
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"text": "Okay, I see. Would that not make it a necessary condition rather than a principle?",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Hey, Andrew Strain, The Neverending Thread is talking about transmission and designation theory!",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Joshua Kenz have you read Elliot Milco's piece on sovereignty? : http://the-josias.blogspot.co.at/.../introductory-notes...\nThe Josias: Notes on the Relation between Sovereignty and Commonwealth\nTHE-JOSIAS.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "No, I haven't. But I shall",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "The violence inherent in the system (i.e., in the formation of nation-states):\nhttp://youtu.be/J7HpE4k5JLc\nNoam Chomsky on Scottish Independence\nNoam Chomsky on Scottish Independence : Statehood and Power. Recorded at MIT, Boston by Stuart Platt....\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "manna gnosis:\nhttp://gnosticwarrior.com/the-philosophers-stone.html\nThe Philosophers Stone\nFor many ages our great ancestors had known about what we call today, \"the philosophers stone.\" However it wasn't...\nGNOSTICWARRIOR.COM",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "manna is phosphorus....",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Who on this thread recommended The Historian? I've almost finished it. It's getting super scary",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "The end is SO scary.",
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"text": "edit: think I stole this from a facebook friend... http://www.karlremarks.com/.../we-give-scottish...\nKarl reMarks: We Give the Scottish Independence Referendum the Middle...\nKARLREMARKS.COM",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Since God isn't speaking to us from pillars of fire, the problem in these debates over consent is what the more traditional types thundering against consent mean practically.\nThe practical options as regards deciding on a fundamental regime form are consent/persuasion or force/violence. Usually, of course, in the course of human events both are involved in foundings and revolutions, and force and violence seems to prevail. This is because many do not seem to care about consent or persuasion. Force and violence domestically are more often than not signs that one or both sides are seeking power, and not the public good.\nTo say that consent is not part of whether or not a given people chooses whether the one, the few, or the many ought to fundamentally govern seems to suggest that the wise rule by force, and politics then becomes an arms race between various groups claiming to be the wise that are justified in using force.\nLiberalism begins by trying to mitigate the problem - consent being a barrier to force and violence.",
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"text": "So the problem with ancien regime platitudes like \"error has no rights\" and \"it is the office of the wise to rule\" is that what truth and error are, and who is wise, is precisely what is in dispute in political life, and the more so they are in dispute, the more meaningless such propositions become. They solve nothing. Do we determine what error and wisdom are and how they ought to be implemented via something more akin to an arms race and force, or by something more akin to persuasion and conversion? That's the question.",
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"text": "Aristotle, by the way, who is the founding father of the common good and virtue and justice rightly understood being the end of the polis, was well aware of this and thus did not childishly repeat such mantras when he rolled up his sleeves to discuss politics. \nHe recognized, for instance, that even if the many (who assert that justice is equality) and the few (who assert that justice is inequality) had extreme and incorrect understandings of justice, one must give both views a say in an attempt to give the mean and the correct understanding of justice a fighting chance. This is also why he is so big on the existence of a middle class, so understanding of ostracism and attempts to keep the oligarchs in line no less than the mob. Etc.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Is Scotland giving consent",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "I'd say consent of the governed is virtually never given explicitly, unless consent means \"we submit, please stop shooting us.\"",
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"text": "Aristotle is also great for understanding the overratedness of written constitutions.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Hamilton and Madison agreed with both of those points.",
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"text": "I pretty much agree with Elliot Milco's piece on Sovereignty that Pater Edmund linked above. Moreover, the transmission theory of authority which holds that the entire political community is invested with political authority is in my opinion incompatible with the essential function of political authority:\"the unification of action for the common good when the means to the common good is not uniquely determined\" (Simon Phil. Of Dem. Gov.). If every member of the community is invested with authority there is no authority properly speaking because direction towards the common good is simply not possible in the vast majority of cases where the means to common good \"is not uniquely determined.\" Any decision would have to be unanimous, but authority is intended to supply unanimity on account of the very impossibility of attaining it. (see Finnis Natural Law and Natural Rights 248-252)",
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"name": "Andrew Strain",
"text": "Also how is thing still alive? I stopped following it around the 8 or 9k mark.",
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"text": "Right. But very few actual political bodies have ever meant that the consent must be unanimous. Usually it is a mixture of the majority and some outside understanding or standard of right and wrong and what is good, etc.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "that's why the modern nation-state of leviathanic proportions is so unnatural. what could consent even mean in a country of 300 million people?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yes means yes. (Lack of \"yes\" also means yes)",
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"text": "No means yes, if the person saying no lacks the power to defend their belief.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Who is wise is really not disputed. Indeed in democracy there is a long standing tradition of despising anyone who reminds us of inequalities. As to the rest of Matthew's remarks or rather snipes they are hardly worthy of response as if Aristotle were aware of the so called platitude that error has no rights - indeed nowhere mentioned by Joshua. Continue boxing shadows though.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "A whole nation saying no may mean yes if you confuse the wording on the ballot and half answer no/yes on accident",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "what part of \"polis\" includes nation-state?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "translated \"global village\". It includes all nation states and continental unions.",
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"text": "Global village is an interesting concept. It also brings up whether \"nation-state\" can have any meaning in a G8 world of global economy. \nplus nation from \"natio\" or \"birth\" means very little when the mobility and scale of the state is such that, for example, I can live 2000 miles from the land of my birth and still be in the same \"nation\" (FWIW I consider myself an immigrant...)",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Taxes, politics, laws, flora, fauna and pronunciation different? Yeah you immigrated.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "The old empires operated under subsidiarity, some moreso (and better imo) some less but all moreso than the modern state maybe even when we had the 10th amendment. This degree of centralization of lawmaking and administration is an historical first (cf. de Tocq. and schools with today's CC which is unprecedented again in scale and scope as 2 days ago confirmed to me by a life long public school teacher who finally just got out).",
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"text": "well, then authority doesn't rest with the consent of the governed, but rather with the will of the ruling elite. \nI suppose the centralization of power is kind of like trying to teach algebra to a class of 1000 junior high kids. The material may be the same, but the teacher would be incapable of tailoring anything to any student specifically, and would be ineffective.",
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"text": "or to put it another way:\nall political authority is a populist deceit.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "the irony. the irony. But nothing can be more ruinous to welcome in your social circle than the least attempt to undeceive.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "The system does not require your opinion.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "yes it does. It requires enough of an opinion that rule is legitimate.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "we like our little lies but our big ones we will take to the grave and send others first early to theirs rather than let go our grasp.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Honest question-- why do y'all hate the Common Core? Is it the principle of the thing, or the practice?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "both. Its the same as the old rot on a grander scale and there are testing aspects that are Orwellian.",
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"text": "Louis CK hates it too. He had a lot of stuff on Twitter about it, from a while back.",
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"text": "What are the Orwellian testing aspects?",
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"text": "Even many of the most classicly denominated schools adhere to the modern curricula with better material and a couple additions. Even the renegades conform with unquestionable docility.",
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"text": "Since the primary common good is peace, there has to be a certain level of implicit consent for the common good to be preserved. But authority comes from the common good, and from consent only insofar as it is a subordinate element in the common good. I agree with Andrew Strain on the incoherence of the transmission theory. Moreover, Pius X in Notre Charge explicitly rejects the strong version of the transmission theory: \n\u00abThe Sillon places public authority primarily in the people, from whom it then flows into the government in such a manner, however, that it continues to reside in the people. But Leo XIII absolutely condemned this doctrine in his Encyclical \u201cDiuturnum Illud\u201d on political government in which he said: \n\u201cModern writers in great numbers, following in the footsteps of those who called themselves philosophers in the last century, declare that all power comes from the people; consequently those who exercise power in society do not exercise it from their own authority, but from an authority delegated to them by the people and on the condition that it can be revoked by the will of the people from whom they hold it. Quite contrary is the sentiment of Catholics who hold that the right of government derives from God as its natural and necessary principle.\u201d \nAdmittedly, the Sillon holds that authority - which first places in the people - descends from God, but in such a way: \u201cas to return from below upwards, whilst in the organization of the Church power descends from above downwards.\u201d \nBut besides its being abnormal for the delegation of power to ascend, since it is in its nature to descend, Leo XIII refuted in advance this attempt to reconcile Catholic Doctrine with the error of philosophism. For, he continues: \u201cIt is necessary to remark here that those who preside over the government of public affairs may indeed, in certain cases, be chosen by the will and judgment of the multitude without repugnance or opposition to Catholic doctrine. But whilst this choice marks out the ruler, it does not confer upon him the authority to govern; it does not delegate the power, it designates the person who will be invested with it.\u201d \nFor the rest, if the people remain the holders of power, what becomes of authority? A shadow, a myth; there is no more law properly so-called, no more obedience. \u00bb",
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"text": "Pater, I don't quite get the distinction between \"designating\" and \"delegating\" in the Leo XIII quote above.",
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"text": "Nationalized database for regular computerized tests that tailorize questions according to answers of previous questions. . . . .",
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"text": "I read it as delegating=transmission theory; designating=designation theory",
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"text": "Nina Rachele: that Scotland article is great. I loved this bit: \"This rivalry for long manifested itself through the competition between the two main football clubs, the Protestant Rangers and the Catholic Celtic, until Rangers were hilariously relegated to the third division in 2012 as a result of financial troubles.\" That was such a great day: http://exlaodicea.wordpress.com/.../sometime-miracles-do.../\nSometimes miracles do happen....\nThe first line of the Wikipedia entry for a certain Football team, \"Rangers Football Club was a football club based...\nEXLAODICEA.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "Isn't it kind of a cop out to say all authority comes from God? \n\"why is it raining?\" - God wills it\n\"why is it not raining?\" Deus vult",
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"text": "Well, both designation theory and transmission theory agree authority comes from God. The disagreement is about how that works.",
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"text": "everything comes from God. Case closed",
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"text": "but seriously, if the \"people\" or whatever can designate a ruler, then they can designate another, how is that different from delegating authority?",
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"text": "One difference is that on transmission theory revolutions are easier to justify.",
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"text": "Delegating implies the authority comes from the people. The authority to rule comes from God. That does not mean all rule is legitmate. It is only authority to make just laws and promote the common good not its opposite.",
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"text": "Not sure I understand the transmission theory though.",
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"text": "I'm not sure I see a difference (yet)",
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"text": "Another difference is this: on the one account (transmission theory) delegation is of the essence of political authority, whereas on the other account (designation theory) designation is one of many ways by which the ruler can receive authority (cf. Milco).",
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"text": "To designate is simply to point out who shall have the power. Designation can occur by law, by a king, by nobles, by the people in democracy or in popularly elected monarchy. Unless i confuse it for the tacit consent of the governed but I dont think that is the same.",
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"text": "And God Himself can designate as with David who was chosen by the people as well. It occurs in all regimes but is not a transmission of authority itself. That comes from God.",
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"text": "As I read, God gave the Israelites a king they wanted, one \"like other nations\", Saul. And when that flopped, He gave them a king after His own heart. He doesn't force his will upon us but gives us what we pray for. Sometimes you wish He weren't so accomodating ",
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"text": "however, Pater, even if there were another way of ruling, lack of the consent of the governed makes for a de facto loss of authority, wherever that authority may have come from.\nthe people can always march the sovereign to the guillotine",
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"text": "no. Not if merely designated. Leo refutes this opinion.",
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"text": "so if one were to march Louis XVI to the guillotine, he still has authority?",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Who ought to judge whether a regime form is looking to the common good? If the King doesn't look to it, the people grin and bear it until when, exactly?\nFunny thing about the common good - it implies a deep or ultimate equality. For it must be truly common to all. Utilitarianism's greatest good for the greatest number doesn't cut it.",
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"text": "Put another way - when is it legitimate for the one or the few to force the many into a regime form they do not desire?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "shut up and pay your taxes!",
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"text": "No one disputes, obviously, that the common good is the goal and this ought to trump the mere will of the one, few, or the many. \nOur own regime acknowledges this, and our politics are often about when majority rule goes wrong.\nBut the question is how to arrange things.",
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"text": "one or few? No one is saying that or implying. And what of the many or those who write the laws? [To 3 comments above.]",
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"text": "Often the change of a corrupt regime comes from outside. As Cyrus to Babylon.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "So what about Cardinal Burke's change in position...?",
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"text": "Wall scrubbed and put in edit. Not to worry. Daneels will replace Burke at the synod.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Re: Burke. It is dismaying news. Without wanting to overreact, it makes me want to put my head down, focus on my own spiritual life, and just try to ignore what goes on in Rome altogether (as far as that is possible for a practicing Catholic, of course). It would be a disgusting travesty if he is not able to participate in the Synod, while Kasper and his anti-Catholic views are paraded around like a hero.",
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"text": "?? I know little of Cardinal Kasper, so I just read up what I could find, but I am not sure why you are critical of him. Is it the not ending the excommunication of Pius X bisohps (due to the biships denial of the jewish holocost), the desire to bring divorced/remarried back to the sacraments, or something else?",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "There are better links, but here's a quick one:\nhttp://dailycaller.com/.../the-scandal-of-cardinal-kasper/\nThe Scandal Of Cardinal Kasper\nCardinal Walter Kasper has become the man of the hour within the Roman Catholic Church. With the...\nDAILYCALLER.COM",
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"text": "thanks... I'll check it out.",
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"text": "divorced/remarried back to the sacraments? what does that mean?",
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"text": "If a Catholic has divorced and remarried civilly, if they are ever allowed to return to receiving communion without the \"no sex\" requirement.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Here is a 2-minute video of Burke on Kasper:\nhttp://www.creativeminorityreport.com/.../cardinal-burke...\nCreative Minority Report: Cardinal Burke: Cardinal Kasper in 'Error'\nThank Thank Thank God we have Cardinals like Cardinal...\nCREATIVEMINORITYREPORT.COM",
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"text": "yes Jeffie, that's the definition of marriage that the Church has always taught.",
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"text": "As long as the divorced spouse is alive, the remarried person is barred from communion.",
"classes": "even",
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"text": "yes, any one with mortal sin is barred from communion. why add sacrilege to fornication (or adultery)?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Burke doesn't really get what Kasper is trying to say. Perhaps he should learn to speak German first.",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yes, I know. It appears Kasper was making an aruement for \"mercy\" on those that wish to return to the sacrements while remarried and \"living in sin\"",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "If we believe in the real presence, and we believe in mortal sin, there is really only one conclusion. \nUnless one thinks communion is like a badge of honor that has only to do with oneself and not with God",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yes.",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "He was making a pastoral claim (Kasper is) not a claim about Canon Law.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "if you separate the pastoral from the theological, then you're asking for trouble",
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"text": "I am constantly amazed that the number of people in the communion line exceeds the number of people in the confession line",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "One is much easier to approach in the state of sin",
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"text": "but with no merit in it",
"classes": "even",
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"text": "Not just no merit, but condemnation. \nKasper's position is incoherent. No surprise, he stopped defending the Catholic faith, if he ever did, years ago.\nYou don't help people by encouraging them to damn themselves through sacrilegious communion. There is no hope, grace, joy of the Eucharist in any of this. He talks of that, but that can only be true of incidental aspects, of \"feelings\" and \"self affirmation\"; here, affirmation in their sin. Don't worry, you are fine where you are, we don't exclude you; but God will, for all eternity. And we think sending the opposite message hear is pastoral?\nHow many Cardinals, bishops and even popes much go to hell for all eternity, before they learn that a shepherds hook is there to bring wayward sheep back, if necessary against their liking, to the straight and narrow, and not to be dragged by the sheep.\nIf Kasper prevails one of two things will happen...the Church's teaching of marriage will further be rejected, and this will be seen as part and parcel of that; and we will be accessories to the sins of many, as we encourage sacrilegious communion.\nKasper is clear enough to understand. He doesn't believe, so such \"pastoral\" solutions are easy for him.",
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"text": "What is with this opposition of pastoral to canon law, and the avoidance of the underlying theological basis of the same?\nNewsflash, pastoral law could be another name for canon law...to oppose to two is ludicrous. Kasper is at the very least rejecting canon law...the pastoral label is being used the way Averoists were alleged to use philosophy. Oh the world is eternal, philosophically, but theological it is not. The whole \"two truth\" claim, but this time as a cover to excuse sin and deny Church doctrine. Oh, I am only pastorally counselling the aiding the condemnation of souls through sacrilege, but canonically....how absurd must we get?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "\"Denn mit welcherlei Gericht ihr richtet, werdet ihr gerichtet werden; und mit welcherlei Ma\u00df ihr messet, wird euch gemessen werden.\" (Matt. 7:2)",
"classes": "odd",
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"text": "The Church has repeatedly judged that divorce and remarriage are grave sins and an impediment to receiving communion. I'm not judging - that's the Catholic Church. \nand the idea that a pastoral claim is not a theological claim is at best misguided, at worst, total bs",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I take that back. In all cases total BS, at worst grave sin for leading the faithful into worse sin.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "\"I am uncomfortable when proponents of controversial positions take a Scripture passage and invoke it talismanically.\"- Ed Peters.\nHe said it better than I. By condoning their behavior, you become an accessory to their sin. I am not saying we should bring back the sentence of excommunication non-senentia et tolerati that was imposed on those who, through attempted bigamy, attempted to marry a second person after abandoning common life with their spouse, let alone subject them to excommunication vitandi where they do get barred from even setting a foot inside of a Church and all except close relations and those with necessary civil business are barred from even saying a word to them.\nBut should we not uphold the discipline of protecting the sacrament? And to elide over their adulterous attempt at simultaneous bigamy, because that is what it is...bigamist, adulterers, abandonment of common life with their actual spouse.... by calling them \"suffering\"...this is not helping them. It is like affirming the cancer of a patient who is suffering. How does that help? \nNo my version of charity is a bit more in line with scripture here...hot coals and all that. And to claim that some hidden gnosis exists in Kasper because he spoke German! Hah!\nDo be charitable to these who, mocking marriage enter into false unions, who, maybe realizing the grave evil they have done, are unwilling to renounce evil. Yes, circumstances of their adulterous union, e.g. children, are real issues. Pastoral solicitude may be for them to live under the same roof, as brother and sister. Anything else is SIN. And to counsel anything else is to take the place of Satan and place yourself on the path of hellfire. \nCan we be serious? Kasper, I know, has no fear of the Lord here, but I for one do. That is the stakes here, not someone's feelings about the Church, but whether the Church brings that person to God...we don't do that by ignoring the cancer of sin.",
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"text": "\"A further case for the admission of remarried divorcees to the sacraments is argued in terms of mercy. Given that Jesus himself showed solidarity with the suffering and poured out his merciful love upon them, mercy is said to be a distinctive quality of true discipleship. This is correct, but it misses the mark when adopted as an argument in the field of sacramental theology. The entire sacramental economy is a work of divine mercy and it cannot simply be swept aside by an appeal to the same. An objectively false appeal to mercy also runs the risk of trivializing the image of God, by implying that God cannot do other than forgive. The mystery of God includes not only his mercy but also his holiness and his justice. If one were to suppress these characteristics of God and refuse to take sin seriously, ultimately it would not even be possible to bring God\u2019s mercy to man. Jesus encountered the adulteress with great compassion, but he said to her \u201cGo and do not sin again\u201d (Jn 8:11). God\u2019s mercy does not dispense us from following his commandments or the rules of the Church. Rather it supplies us with the grace and strength needed to fulfil them, to pick ourselves up after a fall, and to live life in its fullness according to the image of our heavenly Father.\" - Card. Muller, Prefect of the CDF",
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"text": "I do not like thinking pulling a \"Henry VIII\", of murdering one wife to marry another is more forgivable than divorce and remarriage. \nBut I guess it is what it is.",
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"text": "Wouldn't it be better to also provide the tools and resources to discover when annulment is possible for the first marriage and how to complete the process?",
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"text": "Henry never did murder his true wife. Let second \"wives\" beware. But haven't we sacreligious communions enough without more open false sanction?",
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"text": "He sort of murdered Catherine of Aragon by neglect, and he straight up murdered Catherine Howard, who was his true wife, since he married her well after Catherine of Aragon was dead.",
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"text": "\"I'm Henry the eighth, I am. Henry the eighth I am, I am. I got married to the widow next door, she's been married seven times before...\"",
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"text": "Catherine perhaps died of her penances but Professor Wiki relates that it was cancer.",
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"text": "I'm just saying, he was only a tiny shade nicer to C of A than the ones he did murder, and probably only because her uncle was Charles V.",
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"text": "see what happens when people aren't allowed to divorce and re-marry? they behead their wives and start their own church. Look at the pastoral need!",
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"text": "I just object to Jeff. Since Henry VIII did not repent, no divorcee should? It doesn't quite follow if you see what I mean. C of A was raised to point out one flaw.",
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"text": "I have a happy marriage. I love my wife. I want to grow incredibly old with her. (This counts as public record, right)",
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"text": "The best part about the church are the keys. What is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven. There are no null annulments once granted.",
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"text": "Nothing to worry about, Liz. We just speculatin'.",
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"text": "I can't imagine the position of someone divorced and remarried. I don't want to. But part of me feels like it is people that stopped practicing the faith for a period of time, did whatever, and now that they are coming back, expect that there is no problem with how they behaved in the intermediary time. Frankly, you can't have your cake and eat it too. there are consequences for everyone's actions.",
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"text": "yeah. I anulled the anullment comment.",
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"text": "Liz's phone died, she can't reply. I guess I am free to marry another phone.",
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"text": "Anullment declares something never was: no binding or loosing involved. That right?",
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"text": "Daniel Quinan",
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"text": "Yes, that's right. \nAlso, it's high time for this:\nhttps://i.imgflip.com/bmx4t.jpg\nI.IMGFLIP.COM",
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"text": "What is the problem here? Is this Cardinal actually saying that those who are in the state of mortal can receive communion? Or, is he saying that more needs to be done to help them come back to the church? I see no problem, assuming he's sticking to doctrine. \"Liz\"",
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"text": "Daniel Quinan - read the revised status. Heh.",
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"text": "I have another serious question for TNET. Which one was in the very center of the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life or the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?",
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"text": "That was a rather large G&T...but now it is sadly almost gone...",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, I want to go to there.",
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"text": "I would just like to point out how the crusades were a failure because the Christians ultimately failed to liberate the Holy Land.",
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"text": "Here's a topic: Caring about the demotion of Cardinal Burke or the opinions of Cardinal Kaspar makes you a modernist.",
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"text": "TNET needs one:\nhttp://www.youtube.com/embed/Qiw3vVy_eN8?autoplay=1\nOffice Space - Jump to Conclusions\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "To answer your question, Aaron, I give a shit. You honking great pockmark, you pickled herring, you pinhead. Like drinking is an excuse to be an ignoramus...",
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"text": "What does anyone a little less dismissive think about the possibility that they may have been one and the same tree?",
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"text": "It's quite ambiguous in Genesis, which makes it fun.",
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"text": "Isak I have never thought about it.",
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"text": "I'm always surprised few people seem to tackle the question of the trees and what the hell is going on with them and what their names even mean, myself.\nIn the older authors, they seem to speak authoritatively about it in often in deeply unsatisfying ways - and the issue often gets far too quick and easy a pass.",
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"text": "I like the simple question: what the hell is wrong with such knowledge? What does it even mean? And why a tree relating to life? Etc. It all seems very complicated to me.",
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"text": "To paraphrase Woody Allen, how the hell should I know about the trees in the Garden of Eden. I don't know how the can opener works.",
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"text": "Daniel, I'm not entirely sure. I haven't teased out the possibilities completely yet. It would mean that one tree might have two aspects of its consumption that could not be simultaneously encountered by Adam - the conferring of wisdom and the conferring of immortality.",
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"text": "Damn.",
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"text": "And why a tree and a fruit? Ye shall know them by their fruits. Curses the tree that withers. Etc.",
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"text": "All I know is that I'd like a wee but more Gin.",
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"text": "It doesn't mean that the fruit would have been forbidden forever -- just until it was ripe perhaps.",
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"text": "Like the gift of immortality. It was to be delayed.",
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"text": "And doesn't knowledge being associated with all this strike us as odd given the focus on contemplative and speculative as higher than practical/ethical in our circles.\nIn both Solomon's case and here, the focus is not on that, it seems.",
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"text": "Well, I'll see you guys later. I'm heading over the the fundamentalist TNET to discuss whether the trees in the Garden of Eden had rings.",
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"text": "Why does man have to know evil? (know good yes, but why evil?) It isn't the tree of knowledge in general.",
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"text": "I'm back. They're talking about this, too.",
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"text": "And why does it appear that the serpent tells the truth about the tree of knowledge of good and evil while Yahweh does not? God says if they eat of it, they will surely die. The serpent says no you won't, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil. Then they eat the fruit, and they don't die, and Yahweh is all like behold, they have become like us, knowing good and evil! What's going on there?",
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"text": "But they do die . . . later.",
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"text": "Is the problem that they take contemplative seeing and knowing too far?!?",
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"text": "Aaron Gigliotti - this is cool:\nhttp://www.theatlantic.com/.../30-years-of-coens.../380220/\n30 Years of Coens: \"The Big Lebowski\"\nRaymond Chandler in a bowling alley\nTHEATLANTIC.COM|BY CHRISTOPHER ORR",
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"text": "Yeah Aaron, but Yahweh explicitly says they will die on the day they eat it. And they don't. Unless we take \"day\" to not be literal, which might be the case I guess.",
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"text": "I read that! Loved the discussion of Coen Brothers references in Lebowski.",
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"text": "What would it mean to take contemplative seeing and knowing too far? Isn't the goal to know God Himself? How much farther could one go?",
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"text": "Die === as in mortal sin",
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"text": "Isak Benedict - take that to mean that NOW they are sure to die (upon eating eventual death is set in motion).",
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"text": "And if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life, their sentence of being in mortal sin would have been immortalized. So putting them out and closing the garden was for their own good.",
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"text": "Augustine also said that to sing \"On Eagles Wings\" is to pray thrice. And, he didn't kneel after the Agnus Dei.",
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"text": "I just like saying that Adam literally tried to cover his ass after he sinned... ",
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"text": "Augustine's favorite song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbNXqjwh8is\nGather Us In\nGather Us In by Marty Haugen If you like this song, please show the artist appreciation by purchasing it: http://itunes....\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I'll have to ask him his source. He was a student of Dr Waldstein. Maybe Pater Edmund knows this info. ??",
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"text": "Daniel I wonder about that too. As if the fruit itself could have been had at the asking, but was not to be seized.",
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"text": "Off to bed. I'm sure when I return this topic will have morphed into teacher salaries or homily rankings or something of the sort.",
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"text": "But when does \"knowing\" ever mean \"being the measure of?!?\"",
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"text": "Oh be sure to listen to the \"My Little Pony\" liturgy I posted above. Some things can't be 'unheard'",
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"text": "Not to be aggressive at all, I'm just conveying excitement in my digital speech.",
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"text": "Jody, I'd not read that article before now and that is an absolutely horrifying similarity!",
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"text": "Ah, the esoteric truths of modern worship music laid bare...TNET is pleased",
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"text": "You don't actually think that \"the garden\" is one physical place and not a metaphysical state of man?",
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"text": "Why not both?",
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"text": "Why not the tree as both real tree in the middle of a garden and as a cosmic axis in the center of all things?",
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"text": "So who let TENT theme of endless talking about TAC get diverted to the Thomism discussion group? I thought TENT had a monopoly on that.",
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"text": "Just in case this was bothering anyone else, Charles V was Catherine of Aragon's nephew, not her uncle",
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"text": "When you have read and carefully listened to these things, you shall know what God bestows on such as rightly love Him, being made [as you are] a paradise of delight, presenting in yourselves a tree bearing all kinds of produce and flourishing well, being adorned with various fruits. For in this place the tree of knowledge and the tree of life have been planted; but it is not the tree of knowledge that destroys\u2014 it is disobedience that proves destructive. Nor truly are those words without significance which are written, how God from the beginning planted the tree of life in the midst of paradise, revealing through knowledge the way to life, and when those who were first formed did not use this [knowledge] properly, they were, through the fraud of the Serpent, stripped naked. For neither can life exist without knowledge, nor is knowledge secure without life. Wherefore both were planted close together.\nfrom The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus, 2nd century.\nIt seems like the early early Church tradition separates the two trees.",
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"text": "Gregory of Nyssa argues that they are one tree (if memory serves).",
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"text": "John Boyer, please. It's TNET. And you speak like someone from the ancient days of TNET. Time have changed. Many epochs have passed.",
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"text": "All right this has been bugging me: why the T in TNET? The original acronym was simply NET. Isn't it bad form to include the definite article in acronyms? TUSA? Anyway acronyms are evil; why can't people just tag The Neverending Thread it doesn't take much longer.",
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"text": "TNET sounds more sci-fi than NET. Like that system that brings on the age of robots in Terminator.",
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"text": "The worst acronym of all is LOTR. I just hate it; \"of\" AND \"the\" in an acronym?! By that logic the USA should be called TUSOA.",
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"text": "The internet: it even destroys proper acronyms. But TNET does have a ring to it, I have to say.",
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"text": "\"Toosoah\" has a ring to it. . .",
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"text": "NET is ambiguous, infected with modernism. Just read Pascendi. TNET has a gnostic signifiance for the initiated, viz. those over 1000 posts. . . . mostly Straussians i think.",
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"text": "Yeah, I meant the sci-fi comment in support of TNET as our acronym, but Pater Edmund has a solid point about acronyms generally.",
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"text": "how about tNET?",
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"text": "oooh, that's even better",
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"text": "Pater, I was looking in Gregory of Nyssa this morning, but I couldn't find the citation. Do you remember what it is from?",
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"text": "It's in the Sermons on the Song of Songs I think.",
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"text": "Found it (Gregory of Nyssa anticipating Isak Benedict's point): \u00abIf we hear that paradise was planted by God and that the tree of life is in the center of paradise, we seek to learn from the One who reveals the hidden mysteries of which plants is the Father both the husbandsman and the vine dresser, and how it is possible that there are two trees in the middle of paradise, one of salvation and the other of destruction. For the exact center as in the drawing of a circle has only one point. However, if another center is somehow placed beside or added to that first one, it is necessary that another circle be added for that center so that the former one is no longer in the middle.\u00bb http://www.lectio-divina.org/index.cfm...",
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"text": "#mathgnosis\nwhat if circles in the Garden are non-Euclidean?",
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"text": "?",
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"text": "If it is elliptical geometry, there are two \"centers\"",
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"text": "\u00abThere was only one paradise. How, then, does the text say that each tree is to be considered separately while both are in the middle? And the text, which reveals that all of God's works are exceedingly beautiful, implies that the deadly tree is different from God's. How is this so? Unless a person contemplates the truth through philosophy, what the text says here will be either inconsistent or a fable.\u00bb",
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"text": "I've no dog in this fight. \nSo the \"trees\" are one tree considered under separate notions",
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"text": "Michael Beitia--admit that you stole tNET from tMG. Those who know, know.",
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"text": "I don't like dog fighting",
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"text": "Samantha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks of SkyNet from Terminator when they hear TNET.",
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"text": "But the tree needn't be evil in itself nor permanently forbidden. And why couldn't they both be in the center next to each other?",
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"text": "The disobedience brought death spiritual first.",
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"text": "Joel, I admit and deny nothing.",
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"text": "The text of Genesis suggests to me that they are different:\n\"Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever'\" (Gen. 3:22, RSVCE)\nThe language here seems to imply that they have not yet eaten of the tree of life and that it is different from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God places an angel to guard the tree of life. It is my understanding that this is done to man's benefit, since if he ate of the tree of life while spiritually dead, he would live forever in a state of death (or something like that). It seems analogous to abstaining from the Eucharist (the Fruit of the Tree of Life/the Cross) when in the state of mortal sin.",
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"text": "yes, Sean, it certainly looks that way from this\net ait: Ecce Adam quasi unus ex nobis factus est, sciens bonum et malum: nunc ergo ne forte mittat manum suam, et sumat etiam de ligno vitae, et comedat, et vivat in aeternum.",
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"text": "As to knowledge of good and evil being a bad thing, wouldn't knowledge of evil detract from their freedom for righteousness? That is, if we understand freedom as the ability to do good, then would not a knowledge of evil perhaps be unnecessary to a knowledge and accomplishment of the good? It would in a certain sense be a knowledge of non-being (whatever that would mean), which cannot be said to be necessary for knowledge of being/good. I think Adam and Eve had knowledge of the good (maybe just not as such?) before eating the fruit.\nIt could also be that the knowledge spoken of is an experiential knowledge. They now have knowledge of good and evil because whereas before they only had experiential knowledge of good, they now have experiential knowledge of both, since to contradict the divine command was an evil. But perhaps that is a voluntaristic reading of the nature of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.",
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"text": "Jody Haaf Garneau: I think the glow-in-the-dark Adam and Eve thing is a Kabbalistic tradition.",
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"text": "Above Matthew J. Peterson wrote: \"Who ought to judge whether a regime form is looking to the common good? [...] Put another way - when is it legitimate for the one or the few to force the many into a regime form they do not desire?\"\nMaybe we can look at some concrete examples. 1) The anti-pope Anacletus II had the support of the majority of the cardinals, with only 16 belonging to the \"sanior pars,\" which elected Innocent II.\n2) The supression of the popular uprisings of 1848 in Bohemia and elsewhere.\n3) The Spanish Civil War.",
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"text": "Pater-- are you suggesting that church government operates on the same principles as state government? Otherwise I don't think the anti-pope example is helpful.",
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"text": "(different topic): Where do you people get your news about the Vatican from these days? Our priest said something weird at mass this morning about what Pope Francis is going to do (re: 2nd marriages and communion). I do hate rumours in the days of the internet. \nAnd how is it even possible for consider communion for people who are in a \"remarriage\" situation (i.e.: first marriage is not annulled)? Has anyone made sense of this possibility? I am shocked at the comments (and ignorance) on the Catholic news sites.",
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"text": "As discussed earlier, it doesn't seem possible without a dramatic change in doctrine, not just practice.",
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"text": "And is that even possible? (to change doctrine)?",
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"text": "shouldn't be",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Apparently, if we find this offensive, we are pharisees. (according to the priest this morning)",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "So what is the Pope actually saying? (Not some cardinal or bishop or commission)? Humanae Vitae showed that the pope can pull good out of evil suggestions.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "I think it's probably the humanae Vitae situation. Never an intention to change it but some clergy thought there was so we ended up in a mess.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "So what really ticks me off is having a priest tell me what the pope will do. How does he know? Where is he getting his info? (I need more facts)",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Matthew, the tree of knowledge of good and evil woudl, by its name, seem to provide practical knowledge: i.e. knowledge about good and evil.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "It is going to be - strike that - has become ugly. Stick to the daily rosary. The Faith of many will be tested. [Jody]",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "John, what do you mean? Your prophecy of doom is vague.",
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"text": "As befits prophecies of doom, I suppose.",
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"text": "We've had a tidal wave of daily bad news. It's unbelievable: friends, family, the Vatican etc. A ten year old at our monastery who just fell to his death, couples breaking up, a fire in our house and delinquent contractors etc. on top of the daily craziness out of Rome et al.",
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"text": "I AM NOT the only one saying it. And lots more i could say.",
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"text": "Who is feeding the Koolaid to the guy on the Thomism discussion forum? Yikes! Maybe we should cross post over here some of the themes. (should women be allowed to vote? are husbands allowed to physically discipline their wives?)",
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"text": "what's the Thomism forum?",
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"text": "re: jody\n1. people shouldn't be allowed to vote\n2. women are people\nC. ... I'm not going to say it",
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"text": "Yeah, I still have no idea what you're talking about. Is it supposed to be the end times or something?",
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"text": "The upcoming synod is going to cause great confusion. But yeah, a chastizement has begun already. No need for prophecy.",
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"text": "Just to check-- everyone on TNET thinks women should have the vote, right? I mean, assuming they think there should be a vote at all?",
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"text": "strike that. I don't actually want to know.",
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"text": "I have hope for the Church and in Our Lady. The synod not so much.",
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"text": "Samantha, how about not all women and not all men as a response? But I am not a fan of democracy. It is inherently unstable and lots of other things. Hoi polloi are not great masters.",
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"text": "We have that in my household, Daniel, but I'm the one who gets the vote",
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"text": "The one vote per household model is actually prejudicial against family units, since it gives two married people the same vote as an unmarried person",
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"text": "But anyway, I SAID I didn't want to know.",
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"text": "And also, my husband doesn't get to vote because he's Canadian, in case I gave the wrong impression",
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"text": "I have no idea what the rest of this conversation has been, and I refuse to press 'previous comments' but a lecturer at the ITI once proposed that votes be counted by household but weighted by the number of people represented, including kids. So you (Samantha) and Caleb would have one vote that counted for 5 whereas I would have 1. Interesting.",
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"text": "But I thought the idea of acknowledging that the vote of parents represents a larger portion of the populace than themselves was intriguing.",
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"text": "Is there a better system for getting from TAC to LAX now than back in our day? (that is, the system of getting a ride from a Teichert)",
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"text": "No. Ha ha, that was the system, you're right. His (J. Teichert's) wife is a treasure, btw. Anyhow, I drive, though poorly, and only when not in class.",
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"text": "I just changed the status above to protect myself, but I guess I'm almost 20,000 comments too late. The judgers have already judged.",
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"text": "In another thread on that FB Thomism group, someone just said in all seriousness that men should be able to corporeally punish their wives.",
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"text": "As Patrick X. Gardner said: \"Ray Rice Theology.\"",
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"text": "???",
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"text": "What is this THomism group?",
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"text": "That's it, I'm going for a run before I read any more.",
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"text": "good for you, but did you get my message?",
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"text": "(P.s. in cas anyone is wondering, that person is NOT my brother Patrick.)",
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"text": "Oops..., on now",
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"text": "^[the discussion group link, not Katherine's comment] This is why we can't have nice things.",
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"text": "Some people have no idea what it means to be a Thomist",
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"text": "For reals quote from that thread:\n\"As for corporal punishment. I\u2019ve never hidden the belief, but I don\u2019t go out of my way to be abrasive. I brought it up to a close female friend not long ago, and convinced her of my position. What kind of punishment? Slapping or spanking, probably.\"",
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"text": "I can't remember voting for a candidate for national office and not feeling sick to my stomach afterwards. I would say \"a candidate for any office\" only occasionally I don't know much about candidates for local offices, and so don't know what I've done.\nI maintain that ignorance is the only way one may feel anything less than utter revulsion upon voting for any of the presidential candidates (in primaries or otherwise) of my voting life time.",
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"text": "Don't blame me, *I* voted for Kodos.",
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"text": "If you're voting for someone who makes you sick to your stomach, you're doing it wrong. Very wrong.",
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"text": "Isak-- is your profile picture a TNET reference? I'm impressed.",
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"text": "#metagnosis #alltheladiesbelikedayyyum",
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"text": "Voting is never about anything other than the best possible. Practical politics is nothing other than answering the \"compared to what\" or \"compared to who\" question. So don't let it bother you.",
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"text": "If you did think your candidate was wonderful and perfect - well, then I would be worried.",
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"text": "\"Some people drink Pepsi, some people drink Coke, the wacky morning DJ says democracy's a joke...\"",
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"text": "Every time I vote my dad calls me up and asks who I voted for and then he yells at me.",
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"text": "Say more, Joseph Ferrier.",
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"text": "A lot of time, though, even that is hard to determine, and it's more a question of guessing which future evil would be worst and hoping you didn't just indirectly abet genocide in the Middle East, or something.",
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"text": "Right. That's politics/prudence. So it has always been!",
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"text": "Nuh-uh. Politics is the art the care of which is men's souls.",
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"text": "All you wan to do is vote for whatever candidate you think is better, even if only marginally so (less evil). There is nothing wrong with that.",
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"text": "Yep. Still sucks, though.",
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"text": "other than you are actively supporting evil. but whatevs",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE\nThe People's Front\nFrom Monty Python's The Life of Brian. Great for getting discussion board sniping back on track.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I think that video may have been posted here before, but who can say?",
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"text": "There's another principle at work in politics: if a politician needs your vote and needs to lie to get it, he will probably continue lying as long as he needs to be reelected by you: thus, he will probably act politically as you want him to.",
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"text": "When it comes to voting between set candidates, at least.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson: Sed contra: http://www.amazon.com/Cthulhu-President.../dp/B008EWPEA2#\nCthulhu for President. Why Choose the Lesser Evil? Pinback Button\nYou'll receive one button measuring 2.25 inches. Each...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "Joel HF - I prefer Zod.",
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"text": "Yes, Michael Beitia--choosing an evil \"man\" is silly. This is why the party of Cthulhu guarantees you won't be disappointed by half-measures.",
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"text": "http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/.../e/e0/Vote_quimbya.jpg\nIMG3.WIKIA.NOCOOKIE.NET",
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"text": "a two party system is also evil",
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"text": "Why DO we have a two party system? (Forgive my ignorance, but I've never understood (a) the reason for it or (b) when/how it got set up that way.)",
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"text": "Fine, throw your vote away. I'm still voting for Kodos.",
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"text": "As far as I can tell it's a historical accident",
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"text": "my guess is an agreement between the rich white man and the rich white man to maintain rich whiteness",
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"text": "We do the same thing in Canada with a multi-party system, though the two party system probably makes the agreement easier.",
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"text": "My view is that *all* of the views on tNET are Matthew J. Peterson's personal view. Especially the ones that contradict each other.",
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"text": "nice use of the lowercase \"t\" Joel",
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"text": "Joel HF: Because in a multi-party system, you get to vote for \"purer\" candidates and parties that clog up the system and promote discord and instability. Heh.\nWinner take all elections (especially as regards the presidency) are what dictate or create our mostly two party system (with some marginal third parties that sometimes help change the face of the two parties). The two party system moderates extreme views and forces constantly changing large scale coalitions within the parties, which are simply speaking coalitions that seek to win elections. It helps make large scale republican or popular government possible in the sense that it forces very broad and big coalitions that, as I say, are always changing. It pushes politics towards a \"center.\"\nIf you had a Prime Minister instead of a President based on votes in parliament, you could have a multi-party system here too. I'm not convinced that would be an improvement.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "18500 comments, what are we talking about these days?",
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"text": "If people understood that parties are simply coalitions to get elected, and that voting is simply about choosing the best possible, and accepted that reality - then we could start to get somewhere.",
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"text": "I'm not sure my views are mainstream enough to really sit comfortably in any coalition in the USA these days.",
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"text": "There is always a better and worse, and closer and farther, and politics is about persuading others and working prudently to move things towards what you see as the good insofar as it is possible.",
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"text": "The parties are like unreal \"averages\" created to win elections. Most people don't sit comfortably within them. We need to stop thinking about them the way we do: as ideological choices through and through that OUGHT to each be based on clear political philosophies. Most people still view them and voting in a way that prevents realistic engagement with American political life.",
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"text": "The problem wit the United States party system in my opinion is that the two party system worked better as a general position or trend that you wanted the country as a whole to gravitate towards, in this I think you can find more commonality between people . But as the Federal government usurped the minutia of policy that should be in the hands local government it became harder to find that common ground between diverse peoples from different parts of the country.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "What's with the disclaimer on the original now? Matthew J. Peterson are you being held responsible for all views expressed here?",
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"text": "It's a much too late attempt to ensure my diverse array of friends and colleagues understand -- well, it's probably far too late.",
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"text": "HA! Peterson, you just need to join NPDP. we vote with open windows",
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"text": "So I have now seen the bodies of 4 different incorruptible saints in Rome ALONE and yet I have never seen so many lifeless bodies as I see on TNET. ",
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"text": "I broke into the Thomist thread. I am selling a new line of wife beaters for tNET. (BTW pretty funny how that ended up on the bash TAC thread.)",
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"text": "can't do it. One infinite thread is enough for me. (and I reeeeealy hate misogyny, especially the religiously justified kind)",
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"text": "No time to comment on everything. But a few\n1. Jeff, if you murder your spouse in order to marry another, you cannot. That is a diriment impediment to marriage\nCan. 1090 \u00a71. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person\u2019s spouse or of one\u2019s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.\n\u00a72. Those who have brought about the death of a spouse by mutual physical or moral cooperation also invalidly attempt a marriage together.",
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"text": "Women in combat! Go!",
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"text": "2. Mrs. Samantha Cohoe and Daniel Lendman, I once too held the one vote per household\nProblem is, that disincentives marriage. Better, especially if we agree, for my spouse and I to be separate, and get two votes, than married and get only one...further, while the man is the head of the wife (just quoting scripture there), the whole political structure presumes relating to individuals. I think the desire to respect subsidiarity and family is Lendman's motive, mine too. But that is better down first and foremost in other ways, especially local.\nNot to mention the legal issues. If no unmarried persons can vote, well maybe that would work. But if they can, are we using the femme sole, femme covert distinction in law? In which case the wife's say belongs to the husband as the one in charge of her, precisely as her father was, whereas a single woman, a femme sole, would have her own say (and property, etc)...hardly incentive to marry! So forget the easter states and stupid New York laws. California has the common property law. Unlike the subjugated nature in the east coast, our laws treated the spouses as one person, as is especially seen in ownership of property (and that gets complicated, e.g. firearm laws and who owns what), but it is every different than merely placing the woman under a man's custody.\nBut if so, if they disagree, who gets to punch the ballot? You say the man, as head. Okay, but then the practical difficulty arises, the woman has incentive to be her own person and not marry\nEnding woman suffrage would, de facto, be very beneficial but only in the same way that nuking New York and SF and LA would shift American politics...not in its root, but because those happen to be more \"liberal\" blocs",
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"text": "It normalizes violence against women. And therefore is evil. Why would you want women to perform the worst activity of men?",
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"text": "^that.",
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"text": "This is only going to work if I tag all the people who were arguing over on that other thread, but I don't seem to be friends with them.",
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"text": "MAX SUMME, WHEN DID YOU UNFRIEND ME YOU JERK.",
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"text": "Max Summe and Evan Dunkel are not your friends?",
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"text": "what other threadt?",
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"text": "THERE IS NO OTHER THREAD",
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"text": "Kenz, did you seriously mean anything you just said about denying women voting rights or any of the other crap about subjugation to her husband?\nAnd you didn't actually think I was serious that murder is more forgivable than bigamy?",
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"text": "name calling Jeffie? It's a little early for that. I think this is more a question of how to emphasize family in the political sphere - not keep women pregnant and barefooted....",
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"text": "You survived Weinerface's tNET friend purge?",
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"text": "Do you speak in code?",
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"text": "If Austen had been barefoot and pregnant we wouldn't have to hold our tongues so much. I mean if she walked the walk, we wouldn't have these contraversies about domestic rabbits.",
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"text": "Wait, what are we mad at Josh for? Quoting Canon law or did I miss something?",
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"text": "He's a gender essentialist, and he's only reluctantly in favor of voting rights for women.",
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"text": "I would like to simply say that the last century has demonstratively made the case against women's suffrage. \n* ducks *",
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"text": "Oh that's nothing new. \nAs for subjugation that's all over Scripture... now what we understand it to mean though... That's not as clearly stated, however it is part of marriage",
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"text": "Ryan Burke. Oh, perhaps that was hyperbolic. War can be done justly. But even then it is one of those uglier things that are sometimes necessary, no?\nThere are virtues associated with war...bravery for one. And of course, insofar as we speak of those virtues in general, women are capable and should in fact aim at them. But war is still an evil, even if virtuous men must engage in it from time to time. \nSo maybe not the worst thing men do, but the worst among the sometimes \"good\" things.\nETA: and certain dispositions, while they may be ordered properly to reason, are certainly less desirable in themselves, though desirable in war, such as aggression, the ability to suspend empathy, etc. Put it this way, the sort of dispositions desirable in a soldier are double-edged things, but even when ordered by virtue they remain less desirable, then say the meekness of Christ.",
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"text": "I am amenable to feminists in the context of modern culture on many issues, but I also hold that we have indeed unnecessarily diminished masculinity. Most people who say the latter I despise, so I hesitate to say it.\nBut war is ever present in some form or other, no? Even with ourselves.",
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"text": "Shoes are uncomfortable while pregnant and in the kitchen... Well that and they tend to shrink..",
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"text": "They shrink, or the ankles swell?",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, I couldn't agree more... I have seen more of that nastiness in the last 4 weeks than I could have imagined. If one wants to see actual subjugation of women, watch their position in the society that is a college dorm, how they are related to, and how they relate to men in that context. It becomes quite clear how unhealthy the air is for a woman who respects herself...because certainly very few of the men respect her, and the culture of those dorms do not. And in that atmosphere, well I fear for them at times....",
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"text": "Put it this way, few Law and Order episodes on the subject, I used to think of as hyperbole...I don't think that anymore.",
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"text": "yes and we have to be very very careful of victim blaming, insofar as we're \"putting blame\" where it is due.",
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"text": "I actually agree with Matthew J. Peterson on multi-party systems being worse than two party systems.",
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"text": "But this would be much better: https://opuspublicum.wordpress.com/.../on-royal-government/\nOn Royal Government\nFor the first time ever a French/English edition of Fr. Reginald Garrigrou-Lagrange's essay \"On Royal...\nOPUSPUBLICUM.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "execute all monarchs. (Sorry Pater)",
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"text": "Joshua, that needs a lot more fleshing out. I have no problem with what is said there. I DO have a problem saying that ours is the application of what Aquinas says. Matthew, you are compelling me to do some rereading and new reading. I may do so. . . maybe starting Sunday.So thanks.",
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"text": "We read On Kingship at TAC...and I have read is a half a dozen times since",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson: I remember reading a good speech by Hamilton where he talks about how the president should be elected for life (if I remember rightly; at least for a long time).",
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"text": "Rosman Bless their hearts.",
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"text": "He made that speech (saying out loud that the British form of gov at the was best in the world - not a popular opinion) and then left the convention to pay bills back home with his law practice. Not a landed wealthy type.\nBut many think he did it on purpose to make Madison's proposals look palatable and more moderate by comparison, and I think they must be right. Shortly after this the convention moved in Madison's direction.",
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"text": "https://twitter.com/BuckeyeinIdaho/status/512831269797756928\nRoss Cunningham on Twitter: \"God Save the Queen and God Save the United Kingdom! Now let's work...\nWhen you tweet with a location, Twitter stores that location. You can switch location on/off before each Tweet and always have the option to delete your location history. Learn more\nTWITTER.COM|BY ROSS CUNNINGHAM",
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"text": "and Franklin wanted two heads of state elected for one year, a la the Roman model",
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"text": "55% vs 45% It wasn't even that close. Quebec got a lot closer in 95.",
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"text": "You monarchists are adorable.",
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"text": "if adorably wrong. \ngimme an H!\ngimme an E!\ngimme a G!\ngimme an E!\ngimme an L!",
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"text": "for monarchists:\nhttp://www.taleswithmorals.com/aesop-fable-the-frogs...\nThe Frogs Desiring a King an Aesop's Fable\nVisit this site dedicated to providing Free Aesop's Fables for kids including The Frogs Desiring a King. Free version...\nTALESWITHMORALS.COM",
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"text": "My authority for kingly rule is Monsieur Rip van Winkle. It is much more compatable with leisure: sitting in the shade, pipe smoking, unfrenetic discussion, and sipping beer. Rip for peasant! ",
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"text": "see that's the problem I always have with monarchists. They seem to assume that they are the aristocracy and not the dirt farmer who lives and dies in squalor.",
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"text": "And really, no American has any cause to assume that. If you're here, it's because your ancestors were having a lousy time in the old country under the monarchs.",
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"text": "Michael, your view of kingship is maimed by centuries of Jacobin propoganda. Indeed the most tyrranical monarchs in past ages - and there were some douzies - don't come close to some modern totalitarian \"democracies\". But just keep dreaming anarchy . . . . just how does that work again?",
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"text": "which anarchy are you talking about?",
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"text": "that's why we need balance of powers and the rule of law-- nobody is advocating totalitarianism.",
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"text": "(and my view of kingship is maimed by years of reading history)",
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"text": "rip was not aristocrat. Nor have I any such ambition . . .at all. Nor do I imagine it to be a panacea or perfection.",
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"text": "any utopian dream is a failure from the get go, whether it be anarchism, monarchy, or representative democracy",
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"text": "which is probably why Peterson keeps advocating the 'Merican regime. as the least awful of crapulent choices.",
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"text": "fixed ",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Faculty seminar on the Crito this afternoon. I plan on being provocative.",
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"text": "I think the Crito is one of the most difficult of the dialogues. It is deceptively simple. Anyone have a definitive take on it?",
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"text": "There are no definitive takes on Plato.",
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"text": "#straussgnosis",
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"text": "Well, Michael you should know that Pater Edmund is perfectly just in assuming that he is in the aristocracy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Waldstein\nHouse of Waldstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nThe House of Waldstein (Czech: Vald\u0161tejnov\u00e9) is a Czech noble family, originally from the old early mediaeval Bohemian clan Markvartici. Formerly a poor and less significant family, it gradually acquired large properties in the territory of the Crown of Bohemia (especially in Bohemia and Moravia), r\u2026\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I'm Basque. We're all nobility",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Your Basque?!?! Really?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "That is so cool!",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Just like d'Artagnan!!!",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "The Basque are one of the strangest groups of people on earth in terms of genetics and language.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Strangest and most fascinating.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "don't I know it. You should go to a cultural fesitval",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "The Basque language isn't derived from the Indo-European mother language.",
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"text": "I know my grandparents speak it.",
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"text": "I have a dictionary at home, but I can't pronounce it",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "That's awesome!",
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"text": "You would be cooler if you could speak it.",
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"text": "I can say \"where is the bathroom\", count to 20, and \"poor man with loose pants\" which is idiomatic for pathetic. My grandmother used to say it to us when we were kids and injured....",
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"text": "Well, that's cool.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That's weird. What's it related to, then? Anything?",
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"text": "This excerpt from Wikipedia basically argues that Basque is a stone aged language:\nThough geographically surrounded by Indo-European Romance languages, Basque is classified as a language isolate. It is the last remaining descendant of the pre-Indo-European languages of Western Europe.[6] Consequently, its prehistory may not be reconstructible by means of the comparative method except by applying it to differences between dialects within the language. Little is known of its origins but it is likely that an early form of the Basque language was present in Western Europe before the arrival of the Indo-European languages to the area.\nAuthors such as Miguel de Unamuno and Louis Lucien Bonaparte have noted that the words for \"knife\" (aizto), \"axe\" (aizkora) and \"hoe\" (aitzur) derive from the word for \"stone\" (haitz), and have therefore concluded that the language dates to the Stone Age, when those tools were made of stone;[9][10] others find this unlikely; see the aizkora controversy.\nLatin inscriptions in Aquitania preserve a number of words with cognates in reconstructed proto-Basque, for instance the personal names Nescato and Cison (neskato and gizon mean \"young girl\" and \"man\" respectively in modern Basque). This language is generally referred to as Aquitanian and is assumed to have been spoken in the area before the Roman conquests in the western Pyrenees. Some authors even argue that the language moved westward during Late Antiquity, after the fall of Rome, into the northern part of Hispania in which Basque is spoken today.[6]\nRoman neglect of this area allowed Aquitanian to survive while the Iberian and Tartessian languages became extinct. Through the long contact with Romance languages, Basque adopted a sizable number of Romance words. Initially the source was Latin, later Gascon (a branch of Occitan) in the northeast, Navarro-Aragonese in the southeast and Spanish in the southwest.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "It is classed as \"Lingua Isolate\"",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Or something like that.",
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"index": 18461,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Woah, cool.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "That is so awesome.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "\"Lingua Isolate.\" I learned something today.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "there are varying dialects within the Basque region. My grandfather is from Gipuzkoa, which is supposed to be the most \"pure\" linguistically",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "there was my giant Basque flag flying in the 300 dorm, back in the day....",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Isak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_isolate\nLanguage isolate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nA language isolate, in the absolute sense, is a natural language with no demonstrable genealogical (or \"genetic\") relationship with other languages, one that has not been demonstrated to descend from an ancestor common with any other language. Language isolates are in effect language families consis\u2026\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "How Basque are you? 100%? I'll be disappointed if it's less than 100%",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "50%",
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"index": 18469,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "be disappointed",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "so disappointing",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Well, is Beitia at least a Basque name?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "People with Basque descent move their eyes differently when they try to remember something, also.",
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"index": 18473,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "shut up. that's not real.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "It's true.",
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"text": "yes. it means \"down\"",
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"text": "it is also the most common Basque surname, but it is usually mixed with other words.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Lendman is full of the crap. Beitia is Basque and fibs all the time and his telltale eye movements are totally normal",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Madinabeitia is common, yes?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I think most people look up and to the left when they try to remember something from \"long term\" memory. Basque, I think, look the opposite way.",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat, they don't know me like you do.....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "fyi:\nhttp://www.buber.net/Basque/Surname/B/beitia.html\nBuber's Basque Page: Beitia\nBuber's Basque Page, Basque history, language, culture, sports, food, Blas' biography and a description of research\nBUBER.NET",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and I highly suggest those with small children teach them \"Basque Santa\"",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No. I don't lie to my children.",
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"text": "Yeah, 'cause Santa is not Basque. He's Turkish.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Santa ruins Christmas. I hate Santa.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "such a Protestant, Samantha!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Nobody wants to fight about Santa?",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Knowing nearly nothing about the Basque, TNET continues to remain weird and interesting",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Do you guys think that the arguments Socrates makes to Crito for why he should remain in prison and not try to escape are convincing arguments? What do you think he is up to?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "#basquegnosis",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Basque santa is a drunken evil giant that eats bad children. Much nicer than a bishop flying around depositing presents\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olentzero\nOlentzero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nOlentzero (Basque pronunciation: [olents\u033be\u027eo]) is a Basque Christmas tradition. According to Basque traditions...\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "disclaimer: we never did Santa at my house.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "This #Xgnosis thing should be getting old by now, but somehow it continues to delight me.",
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"text": "it never gets old to me #hashtaggnosis",
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"text": "I agree that Santa ruins Christmas (especially the American Santa invented by Coca-Cola advertisements), but isn't there a way of having similar figures (eg. St Nicholas and Krampus) that is not a lie? Figurative speech and all that?",
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"text": "As Michael Beitia would say, I have a link for everything: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../lying-to-children.../\nLying to Children; or Edward Feser at the Battle of Solferino\nIn an excellent series of blog posts Edward Feser has...\nSANCRUCENSIS.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "I don't know, Pater, my kids are very good at distinguishing fable from fact.",
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"text": "And I don't agree that there is ever a time that children think dolls are as real as their brothers and sisters.",
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"text": "Also, if you tell your kids that St. Nicholas is coming to fill the shoes with candy, what is figurative about that?",
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"text": "I don't see how it's figuratively true any more than it is literally true.",
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"text": "We never did Santa... I don't think we missed out on anything. Though it was amusing when my aunt had to tell my 5 year old brother not to ruin her 12 year old daughter's last year of believing in Santa. Though I think the gifts left in our stockings may have given her a clue (she got a disc man, we had Oranges, toothbrushes and a movie.)",
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"text": "the hardest for us was having my blabber-mouthed second son not ruining it for other kids at school. (he takes after me)",
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"text": "I'm glad there are moms who fret about Santa in the world. That sounds condescending, but I mean it in the best way.",
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"text": "St Nicolas is the occasion of one's parents filling one's shoes. So the figure is occasion for cause, as in \"Christmas fills the shops.\"",
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"text": "And why is that more exciting than saying \"we celebrate St. Nicholas's day by putting candy in your shoes!\"",
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"text": "?",
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"text": "The other kids never believed me... But I guess it was 12-1 ...",
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"text": "Why are figures of speech ever more exciting?",
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"text": "Nope. It isn't more exciting because it's a figure of speech. It's more exciting because they believe something that isn't true, which you intended them to believe",
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"text": "I think if there is some distant sense in which what you are saying is true, but it isn't the sense you intend to convey, and it isn't the sense in which it is believed, then it's a lie",
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"text": "As a child I never experienced it as a lie.",
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"text": "really Pater? I was pissed when I found out I was lied to.",
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"text": "I know lots of former kids who felt lied to, and lots who didn't. Doesn't really change the facts, though. If you were lied to, you were whether you felt deceived or not, right?",
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"text": "But the question is whether I was lied to or not. The fact that I never experienced it as a lie is not proof but it is evidence.",
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"text": "Some parents take it way to far. We always talked about the toothfairy but always knew it was just mom and dad...",
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"text": "I agree with Lauren.",
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"text": "I think intending to deceive your child is taking it too far. If you're telling a story, and everybody kinda knows it's a story, that's fine. My eldest is pretty literal minded. He would want to pin us down on the details.",
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"text": "Yes, I agree on that. My parents never tried to deceive us about St Nicolas.",
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"text": "So, what did they say, exactly?",
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"text": "btw, I like that no one is even trying to defend Santa",
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"text": "He's the worst",
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"text": "Ok, well, no wonder you didn't feel lied to then",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Daniel Frederick Benedict Grimm what do you think?",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, way, way back in the infancy of TNET you mentioned being possibly amenable to elevating the status of The Great Gatsby to Great Book. I've simply not had time to formulate a small defense of the work as such until now, so at risk of derailing the #santagnosis, here are some somewhat formed thoughts about it.\n1. Let me state up front that my usual response when I hear someone refer to a character as a \"Christ figure\" or a trial as \"Passion like\" is to roll my eyes. Often this is an example of lazy thinking, since any story at all about a heroic character or a personal sacrifice will draw automatic comparisons to the greatest story ever told, and as such, does not usually help us truly understand the character being thus compared to Christ. That said, I think this may be one of the cases where it is in fact worthwhile to make such a comparison.\n2. In \"The Life You Save May Be Your Own,\" Flannery O'Connor describes the figure of Shiftlet (who ends up as another one of her \"weird bringers of grace\" to others) standing at the end of the driveway as forming \"a crooked cross.\" I believe that in a similar fashion, Fitzgerald intended to portray Gatsby as a sort of \"crooked Christ.\" Here follow a few examples of support.\n3. The language used to describe the life and death of Gatsby is sacramental. Gatsby is referred to explicitly as a Son of God, but a self-made one. The moment he truly changes from Gatz to Gatsby is when he kisses Daisy for the first time, and Fitzgerald's exact phrasing is \"the incarnation was complete.\" [SPOILERS] After the murder-suicide that ends the novel, when the bodies of Wilson and Gatsby are found, the exact phrasing Fitzgerald uses parallels the former - \"the holocaust was complete.\" He is using holocaust here in the sense of \"sacrifice.\"\n4. Consider the facts leading up to and including Gatsby's death. He decides to use his pool for the first time all year, and blows up an air mattress to float on. He picks it up and bears it to the pool on his shoulder. He stumbles under its weight at one point, and his chauffeur offers to lend him a hand, and Gatsby merely shakes his head in refusal and moves on towards the pool. I think this is an obvious slanted reference to Simon helping Christ. Furthermore - Christ dies on a wooden cross. Gatsby dies on an air mattress. It's a twisted, slanted, not-quite-exact and frankly Wal-marty version of Christ's death.\n5. It is common and easy to claim that Fitzgerald was writing his masterpiece MERELY as a critique of the current wealthy elite. It's more than that. Christ died to save humanity. Gatsby died because he lied to protect Daisy. It is easy to say that Daisy is an object unworthy of Gatsby's love. It is harder to say that we are like Daisy, unworthy of a love like Gatsby's, unworthy of a love like Christ's. Obviously Gatsby is not a perfect person. But just as one could argue cosmically that Christ throws Himself away for something not worth it, but that He nevertheless loves madly, one could argue that in a slanted way Fitzgerald was writing not about a single wealthy culture of a single time, but of humanity in general, by showing a great man like Gatsby throwing himself away for a wretch like Daisy that he nevertheless loves madly. We like to identify with Gatsby, we like to identify with Nick - we should be identifying ourselves with Daisy. I do not believe that the title of the book is ironic.\n6. These thoughts are messy and partially formed, so I would be glad to modify them, clarify them, or retract them if there is evidence.\nWhat does TNET think? It's been ages since we talked about this.",
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"text": "There's the bell Compline, I'll read your Gatsby thing tomorrow.",
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"text": "NOOOOOOOO",
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"text": "Okay pray for us ",
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"text": "good luck finding it tomorrow",
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"text": "#suspiciouslyconvenienttiminggnosis",
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"text": "What makes Gatsby great?",
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"text": "He's good at making money, and he loves Daisy. That's it.",
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"text": "And he throws a good party, obviously.",
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"text": "Well that's exactly it. I'm saying it's ironically his love for Daisy that makes him great.",
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"text": "Well that and his personal integrity, which is admittedly not uncompromised.",
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"text": "It's always entirely possible that I'm seeing in the novel what I want to see. Nevertheless I think my evidence needs to be considered.",
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"text": "I'm not convinced about the personal integrity, but I like the rest of your reading.",
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"text": "All right. I really need to hold my tongue just because I can't finish certain books.",
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"text": "#integritygnosis?",
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"text": "Yeah as far as I can see there are two possible grounds on which to criticize him. First, the method by which he obtained his wealth was illegal bootlegging. Although we objectively consider Prohibition unreasonable and the consumption of alcohol lawful, his involvement in the criminal world is still apparently reprehensible.\nSecond, he doesn't respect the lawful marriage of Daisy and Tom. Going along with my semi-allegorical interpretation, Daisy wedded to Tom is humanity wedded to the world, and Gatsby seeking to take Daisy from him is Christ seeking to free humanity from the world's influence.\nBear in mind that I am not claiming this to be the \"main\" or \"central\" point of the book. It's primarily a fantastic story, about people as real as can be written; secondarily a story of modern cosmic sacrifice.",
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"text": "Not sure I understand your comment, John. Why don't you like the book?",
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"text": "cosmic sacrifice? Definition anyone?",
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"text": "Meaning merely that Gatsby's death bears universal significance.",
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"text": "well. You are getting me to consider reading TGG again.",
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"text": "That is truly my only goal! ",
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"text": "I hope I didn't break TNET with that long bit of Gatsby recurrence.",
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"text": "tNET is not dead, but sleeping",
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"text": "Isak, I hate to be a stickler, but it has been decided that the initial \"t\" in tNET is lowercase. that is all.",
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"text": "Really? Must have missed the memo",
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"text": "I don't think I like that",
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"text": "our favorite compline-ite objected to \"the\" having a letter, others preferred the sci-fi sound of it.",
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"text": "You weren't here, so you didn't get a vote. Sorry. tNET's polling hours are short.",
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"text": "unlike the trolling hours, which are 24/7",
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"text": "I think it mirrors the iPhone and iPad nonsense, which bugs me for some reason",
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"text": "[t]NET. Pater has a pet peeve about acronyms but especially acronymizing the definite article. Causes him to cause all kinds of problems at the monastery i hear.",
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"text": "late again",
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"text": "it may mirror iPhone et al. but it is better than typing out The Neverending Thread",
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"text": "sounds like a football player: D'Brickshaw",
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"text": "no apostrophe. polling hours are over.",
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"text": "How do false beliefs about an old fat guy distributing presents increase kids' wonder at the Incarnation?",
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"text": "NOW",
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"text": "Jeanne's getting married?",
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"text": "You can't be talking about Cecelia, she's 10 still, right?",
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"text": "Best wishes to her! I'm relieved it's not Cecelia, that would make me feel old.",
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"text": "Oh, hey, Joel, I believe John called you a \"domesticated rabbit\" last night. You should fight him.",
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"text": "Did you read his bestiary? I did not. Was it amusing?",
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"text": "Being anti-Santa is ham fisted humorlessness masquerading as piety. Samantha Cohoe, it does nothing to reinforce the mystery of the incarnation. So what?",
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"text": "I like to do all manner of festive things that celebrate Jesus's birth, including tree trimming and parties and whatnot. That's just part of the party. I don't see Santa that way. To me, it seems to truly make Christmas about something else.",
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"text": "^ So you read Borges?",
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"text": "The last part of Canticle for Liebowitz gave it a run for its money, though",
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"text": "Don Quixote de la Mancha is typically considered to be the first European novel. It's about a man who, inspired by the romances he reads, sets out to do good deeds in an evil world. ... right?",
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"text": "I believe Ceasar reigns for a hundred years of peace, beloved by all. Am I remembering correctly?",
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"text": "And I still don't know what you mean when you say the public good is absent in Austen. What is an example of a novel that exemplifies the public good over the private, in your view?",
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"text": "\"Is God Dead in Austen? An Examination of Nietzschean England and the Will to Marriageability\"",
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"text": "It is the world Austen depicts. In which the private is magnified but I think Virgil depicts it best and for him it was only part of that world.",
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"text": "But it is also a narrow minded private good. And I see no God in Austen but will read Persuasion again next",
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"text": "You guys are so frustrating. You keep saying stuff that makes me think you haven't even read Austen.",
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"text": "Cato, I keep trying to pin you down on what exactly you mean, but to no avail.",
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"text": "YOU say the most astounding things. Like praise of Cleopatra. I can think of dozens of amazing queens. But not Cleopatra.",
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"text": "I didn't say Cleopatra was a great queen. I just said she was awesome.",
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"text": "I do keep them in the general. True. But they could still be refuted. I can't get into the specifics for several reasons.",
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"text": "Like that you don't really remember the books?",
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"text": "ha!\n\"Ultimately they all want English morality to be proved right - because this serves humanity best, or 'the general utility,' or 'the happiness of the greatest number' -no, the happiness of England. With all their powers they want to prove to themselves that the striving for English happiness - I mean for comfort and fashion (and at best a seat in Parliament)- is at the same time also the right way to virtue; indeed that whatever virtue has existed in the world so far must have consisted in such striving.\"\n#ulitmatenietzscheAustengnosis",
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"text": "I am very familiar with P and P. The others are rusty. But there are other reasons. I am tossing out my general criticism. I will take you up on Persuasion",
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"text": "It's just a weird criticism, even if I try to make it specific enough to understand. So people in P and P prioritize their private good over the common good? Sure, some of them do, but not everyone. And if all you're saying is that many of the characters pursue their own good, then so what? Doesn't everyone?",
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"text": "Austen's world reeks. One could live in it. Lot's of good there but ONLY by fighting that rot.",
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"text": "OK, but that's true of the whole world.",
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"text": "yes. But Austen glamorizes it. That's the prob.",
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"text": "Why? Because Darcy is rich and that doesn't turn out to be a problem?",
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"text": "She reinforces it and romanticizes it and makes a virtue of it.",
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"text": "\"it?\"",
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"text": "Darcy's noble deed is base in motive and execution. Its a cheap cover up that he can afford.",
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"text": "did I mention I like surreality? Did that come up? we don't have the same problems in that area of fiction. Anyone besides me love a good Umberto Eco novel?",
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"text": "I have all of his novels, and quite a bit of his non-fiction.",
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"text": "So, you object to Darcy helping to save Lydia's reputation because he does it for Lizzy's sake?",
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"text": "It isn't a cheap cover up, it's Lydia's only chance not to be ruined. It's not a great chance, but it's the best possible outcome for the family at that point.",
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"text": "Yep.",
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"text": "bah. no taste.",
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"text": "BUT that is the whole world and all that is in that world. The world and man is much bigger than that. Reputation is a puff of air. High sounding one minute and gone the next. I wont get my hose all tied in knots for it.",
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"text": "That's easy to say when one's entire social and economic future doesn't depend on reputation.",
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"text": "Show me deare Christ, thy Spouse, so bright and clear.\nWhat! is it She, which on the other shore\nGoes richly painted? or which rob'd and tore\nLaments and mournes in Germany and here?",
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"text": "Sleepes she a thousand, then peepes up one yeare?\nIs she selfe truth and errs? now new, now outwore?\nDoth she, and did she, and shall she evermore\nOn one, on seaven, or on no hill appeare?",
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"text": "Dwells she with us, or like adventuring knights\nFirst travaile we to seek and then make Love?",
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"text": "Betray kind husband thy spouse to our sights,\nAnd let myne amorous soule court thy mild Dove,\nWho is most trew, and pleasing to thee, then\nWhen she is embrac'd and open to most men.",
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"text": "QUIET YOU",
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"text": "I resist saying \"X is the best\" or what have you when the language is archaic. Sadly, (or not so sadly, I have indoor plumbing) I live in the modern world and want things in modern English. (except Russian fiction)",
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"text": "That's your problem, not Donne's.",
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"text": "You just admitted that you can't tell if he's any good, because you are incapable of appreciating anything not modern.",
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"text": "plus, can you rap to \"death be not proud\"?",
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"text": "I think Dante and Chaucer best and dont hesitate to say. The time now is out of joint. I cannot find sanity in the russian muse though much to wonder at.",
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"text": "To clear the air, the ONLY insult - and I didn't make it - was to Joel. Though legitimate, it was invalid because of a typo - null and void. And in jest besides. That excludes my initial charge of arrogance which I mistakenly retracted 18900 comments ago. Let the air be clear, especially now that the Austen contention has been laid to rest by the wise #gnosis of N.",
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"text": "As a rule of thumb, it is silly to insult another's intelligence and foolish to insult a fool to his face. Best not to insult at all unless courtesy or truth require it. All of which i am sure i have transgressed.",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, Don Quixote is a novel. I am flabbergasted why you would deny that. Heck in most places, Cervantes is regarded as the first European novelist! How can the first novel, the first work to get that appelation, not be a novel? If Austen differed markedly enough, then it is her work that would not be a novel.\nAfter all, the romance was distinguished from the novel. Cervantes was a proponent of the novel (Novelas exemplares anyone?)\nCervantes considered himself a novelist!",
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"text": "\" . . . the immodest verses do not make him an unchaste poet.\" LOL. Did I just walk into 16th Century Geneva? You guys have to loosen up.",
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"text": "Mr. Gigliotti, maybe you should think before commenting. Those were Catullus' own words we were talking about. Yank your foot out of your mouth sir.",
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"text": "DANG. Its like the nastiest threat in all poetry.",
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"text": "Yes, but that threat is used colloquially against rivals. And Martial says adulterers should be punished with it...after cutting off their ears of course....Martial may have had some issues himself.",
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"text": "Best poet ever was David....psalter anyone?\nBest English poet, meaning the language we speak, That is a hard one. I enjoy Robert Frost the most, but that is rather subjective.\nIncluding older forms of English, poet qua poet I must concede to Mrs. Cohoe that Donne is better than Shakespeare. Way better. But Shakespeare's poetry are, as it were, a side diversion. Shakespeare was a playwright and that first and foremost. There he has no equal, though this or that work measures up or surpasses this or that of his, no other playwright measures up to the sort of totality of his work.",
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"text": "See how I run away from discussing Catullus who I brought up...it was clerics that found his writings in the middle ages...I hope they blushed at least!",
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"text": "Joshua, you brought up Catullus or rather expanded and burnt more words on him than all else combined. I am still trying to scrub those images from my mind.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, Why'd you delete that? I was in the process of liking it.",
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"text": "Haha. Wrong thread. But maybe the right comment...",
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"text": "There are other threads?",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz, I already conceded that Don Quixote is a proto-novel. I am proposing a definition of novel which includes a unity of action which Don Quixote lacks. I can propose any definition I like because I am Caesar. Which, again, I cannot believe everyone is still cool with.",
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"text": "Are we at 20,000 yet?",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe, what are we looking for? Greatest novel? Let's get something going here.",
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"text": "Y'all should see the food at this block party. All my neighbors are Italian restaurant owners, it seems. Five kinds of pasta, scallops and shrimp grilled in prosciutto, so, so many olives. My Alderman brought cannoli. I think I love St. Louis.",
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"text": "What's an Alderman, btw? Does he want me to vote for him, or something? He's very friendly.",
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"text": "Aaron, greatest novel is Anna Karenina. I already declared it so.",
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"text": "Okay. Anna Karenina it is. BTW,",
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"text": "Samantha, is that new AK translation that everyone raved about any good, or what?",
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"text": "BTW know that when I die I shall be more powerful than you can imagine. . . .",
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"text": "gatekeeper of . . . .",
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"text": "What is that? I can't tell if it looks delicious or horrifying. Depends on whether there are beets in it, I think.",
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"text": "Oh yeah. Pevear Volokhonsky all the way, baby.",
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"text": "That is marinara sauce. No beets.",
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"text": "Mmm. You should come to our block party.",
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"text": "That's why I posted that! I'm trying to out dago those guys!",
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"text": "Oh no, you can't. Some of them didn't speak English until they started school.",
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"text": "Yeah, that sounds pretty legit.",
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"text": "Did you make a proclamation re: greatest American novel?",
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"text": "It's so cool. They've all been in this neighborhood forever, too. I wish I had roots instead of being a vagrant.",
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"text": "Yes. Gilead by Marilynne Robinson.",
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"text": "Oh, no wait, that was greatest living novelist",
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"text": "Maybe The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.",
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"text": "Gatsby is the greatest American novel.",
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"text": "Oh, or My Antonia. Shoot.",
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"text": "Hahahahaha",
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"text": "No.",
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"text": "My Anotonia is a lovely novel. There are twenty better American novels.",
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"text": "Talking about the greatest American novel might have some merit. Discussing who is in the top 20 is a waste of time. Americans are not known for their literature. Perhaps the country is too young.",
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"text": "Two of the five Man Booker prize nominees this year are Americans! First year ever we could be nominated!",
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"text": "Speaking of Cather, I cry every time I read \"A Wagner Matinee.\"",
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"text": "It was a great choice of topic. For sure but that took an aimless turn like a wandering turtle. Can you say what the point was?",
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"text": "DUDE! The Chosen is an amazing American Novel. Another book I could read over and over until I die,",
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"text": "\u00abBy Jane Austen\u2019s time, condescension is viewed more ambiguously. Readers (or viewers) of Pride and Prejudice will remember the appalling Mr. Collins, who is forever praising the condescension of his patron, Lady Catherine de Burgh. Collins is both a comic and a pathetic \ufb01gure, and Austen's characterization is plainly a satirical one, but she is describing a moral world in which it was still possible to regard condescension as a virtue. Today it is not possible: to describe someone as condescending is to condemn him or her. Condescension is a vice because there are no legitimate \u201cprivileges of superiority\u201d from which to depart, and so someone who behaves in a condescending way is claiming a superior status to which he is not entitled. The progressive acceptance of social equality as an ideal, I am suggesting, could be roughly measured by tracing the moral passage of the concept of condescension from virtue to vice.\u00bb http://books.google.at/books?id=y2wMzJtEZ_8C&lpg=PA240...",
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"text": "\"so so much wrong\". How often that is said wrt novels. Chaucer already pointed out that stories are diversionary. They reveal what we love, what takes us off the path. We are imitative creatures. They are all more or less vanity and agreement is impossible.",
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"text": "As to Austen, I am free of her Siren song again now that I reread Bond's previous status, a quote of St. Gregory (and since that dreadful parson has made off ). No, as wonderful as the social virtues are, they are most entangling and most shallow in isolation. Where are the children in Austen? Too messy for tea parties. Austen is as clean as a parlour as tidy as a morgue ",
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"text": "And if Austen is all that, why can't they cook? Nice china, nice tea from the far east trade to go with scones, plain dry scones . . . and that's the best meal.",
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"text": "Cross-posting this, so as to tag the whole Thread:\nSomehow I didn't notice till now that Joel HF had tagged me in the ten books thing. So, the original rules: \u201cList 10 books that have stayed with you in some way. Don't take more than a few minutes, and don't think too hard. They do not have to be the 'right' books or great works of literature, just ones that have affected you in some way.\"\nI'm going to limit myself to profane books, (how could one choose ten books out of the Bible, or even out of the Fathers\u2014too much). I'm also limiting myself to books that I read (or had read to me) before my 13th birthday, since books that one reads as a child have a special kind of haunting influence on the imagination.\n1) The Little House in Big Woods. My mother read this and its sequels aloud to us. But the first book of a series is usually the best, and that is true here. The image of the vast forrest stretching out in all directions as far as man could go for a whole month...\n2) At the Back of the North Wind (George MacDonald). My father read a lot of MacDonald to us. I might have chosen The Princess and the Goblin or Ranald Bannerman's Boyhood, but North Wind is the one I remember most often.\n3) The Lord of the Rings. I had had this read to me at least twice, and read it myself at least that often by the time I turned 13. Perfect book.\n4) lias und Odyssee nacherz\u00e4hlt von Walter Jens. Jens's retelling of Homer, and especially the pictures by the Provensens were my introduction to heroism and tragedy. My older brother and I used to act it out. He cried at the death of Hector, and his tears moved me no end.\n5) Jenseits des goldenen Nebels (Auguste Lechner). Amazing book. Tolkienesque effect on the imagination. But very dark. All her other books are good too, but this was my favorite.\n6) Jane Eyre. My father read this out-loud to us when I was about ten, and we lived in Germany. Re-reading it much later I was astonished how clearly I remembered all the details...and how little I had understood it.\n7) A Child's History of the World (V.M. Hillyer). I read this about three times. My ambition when I was about 12 was to grow up to write books like this. Hillyer is the American Herodotus.\n8) Bill Peet: An Autobiography. I read this when I lived in Indiana, as Peet had.\n9) The Gentleman from Indiana (Booth Tarkington). Booth Tarkington is an underrated genius. I read all his books.\n10) Pride and Prejudice. I read this first when I was 12. Jane Austen is _by far_ the greatest Anglophone fiction writer. BY FAR.\nShoot, now I haven't left enough room for Robinson Crusoe or The Betrothed, both of which were read to me around the same time as Jane Eyre. Nor for Rosemary Sutcliff's books, nor for Jack London, nor for... oh well.\nTagging: The Neverending Thread (why won't the tag work, Facebook?)",
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"text": "Does Austen ever mention scones? I don't remember any such passage.",
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"text": "You are criticizing the straw-doll of Austen, not Austen.",
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"text": "She does however mention porter (as in porter's ale, stout) and cold beef.",
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"text": "Austen is scorned because her promoters seem to assert that she portrays the full flourishing of human virtue. But she does not. Be more modest in praise and the uncouth might be less condesceoding.",
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"text": "This discussion on Austen has made me return to my absynthe drinking...now the bottle is empty!\nInstead of buying a couple of books on analogy, I should have bought more booze! Curses",
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"text": "^edited. I will try to play nice.",
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"text": "BTW Pater I believe Twain is knocking Austen. He was anti aristocratic. In his mind the bartender would hate heaven being the servant of the devil's liquor. Likewise Twain hates all the so called fine things being through and through democrat.",
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"text": "I love it when Pater Edmund drops by and argues all my points for me.",
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"text": "I wish you would stop talking about tea parties, John. It is the most straw filled of your straw man arguments against Austen. There are balls, shooting parties, picnics, and dinners in Austen, but I can't think of a single tea party.",
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"text": "Mr Berquist said Emma was one of the best books.... I think it was him... If not I'm just promoting another TAC rumor.",
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"text": "There are now some sad gaps in my #gnosis what is the rabbits thing?",
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"text": "Eh. Michael originally argued that Jane Austen is like a painter who portrays rabbits excellently. She is good at the technical, but her subject is small and boring, is the idea. There have been many non-sensical riffs on this theme over the last 10,000 comments or so.",
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"text": "I specifically compared her to Albrecht Durer, thank you very much, who happens to be one of my favorite painters\n#IhavewrittenandIhavenotwrittengnosis",
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"text": "\u00abFirst come the Neologisms, that are afraid of no man; fresh, young, hearty, and for the most part very long-limbed, though some few short and strong. There also are the Misprints to confuse the enemy at his onrush. Then see upon the flank a company of picked Ambiguities covering what shall be a feint by the squadron of Anachronisms led by old Anachronos himself; a terrible chap with nigglers and a great murderer of fools.\u00bb",
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"text": "Fair enough. But I really don't understand what is so disagreeable when one writes that Austen is great, just not as thematically great as other writers. Is that really that controversial?",
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"text": "Also, I don't agree that her subjects are small. They are not epic, or perhaps very sweeping, but they are not small.",
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"text": "remember, I'm the one here with an over-fondness for Russian literature. Whatever anyone can say about the Russians, they (usually) tackle the largest themes they can. I don't see that as much in Austen",
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"text": "So we're all agreed that Austen is a great writer, and the fact that she doesn't take any climactic upheavals in society as her subjects in no way detracts from her greatness.",
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"text": "Orwell wrote an hilarious review of That Hideous Strength: http://www.lewisiana.nl/orwell/\nLEWISIANA: George Orwell on C. S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength\nManchester Evening News, 16 August 1945. Reprinted in The Complete Works of George Orwell, ed. Peter Davison, Vol. XVII (1998), No. 2720 (first half), pp. 250\u0096251\nLEWISIANA.NL",
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"text": "In fact, I didn't care for the first two of the Space Trilogy either",
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"text": "Ha! I found one! <<If Austen is about freedom I'd rather be a natural slave (as was accused earlier....) \nFreedom.... pshaw.... freedom to be banal>>",
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"text": "holy moses, only made it a couple thousand back. I give up. you win. keep denying your crimes against Austen.",
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"text": "obviously domesticated rabbits are charming and endearing.",
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"text": "\"Joel is not charming or endearing.\" . . . Is that what you want me to say, Joel? Can't a guy compliment manners and society without getting beat up? Never seen such rude domesticated rabbits and condescending.",
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"text": "Grand themes in Austen: Longsuffering or \"How my sister got the sniffles and the hem of my dress was soiled\". Magnanimity or \"When the new neighbor condescended to visit and my heart went aflutter\". . . etc. Homeric",
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"text": "Back to theses: \"After virtue: how Austen's virtues of the trifling led to Nietchze concluding God is dead, Henry James' amorality, Twain's cynicism, and Newman's modernism.\" ",
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"text": "\"How tea party virtue drove men (Joshua Kenz) to find absynthe and the spread of drunkenness, eventually leading to prohibition and more tea-totalling\"",
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"text": "LIS, I am ok with Austen. Please, just knock out the great stuff. She's not the epiphany of all virtue. If you push, I feel suffocated or like a bull on the verge of becoming a steer. Know what I mean? I try to be nice; it's so hard. ",
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"text": "Mr. Ruplinger, when was the last time you read Austen, in fairness?",
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"text": "I go to Mass you there's only 20 new comments? Now who is the monster....?",
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"name": "Matthew Dugandzic",
"text": "So, speaking of these theses (unendingly), where are they published? Ie, is there a place where I can access them?",
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"text": "In fairness, I taught P and P a few years ago. I poured over the text and found that it wasn't as deep as I had thought. BUT I should read it again. The discussion has been helpful and at times I am overstating my case. NEVERTHELESS, Austen while good is not as great as advertized and may even be flawed. On top of that I have a terrible memory. I am reeeeeaaaally not that big on the whole novel genre. I think she is one of the very best in it. So \"ok\" for me means \"good\" to \"great\" for others. Joshua Kenz",
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"text": "And Joshua Kenz, in fairness, did you read all of Beitia's remarks above as well as Pater Edmund and my exchange?",
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"text": "If having to admit you misjudged an artist makes you feel emasculated, that's too bad. She is great, and she doesn't have to be the epiphany of all virtue to be so.",
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"text": "Anyway, let's talk about something else. Caleb has a blog post with his project coming out this week about whether \"Think for yourself\" is actually good advice.",
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"text": "What do you think? Is it?",
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"text": "All I asserted above was that Austen's focus is mainly on the social virtues. Will any say that she is presenting magnanimity or the full scope of virtue? All I've asserted is that she reveals some part of human nature and not all aspects. Will any entertain greater scope? If we admit that her aim is more to present feminine virtue, I am fine. And have so stated.",
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"text": "nope. can't move on yet. changed my mind.",
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"text": "She is trying to impose \"feminine virtue\" on men, no????",
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"text": "social virtues are \"feminine virtues?\" Are you claiming that it doesn't matter how men relate to one another?",
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"text": "No. You said Austen deals with \"social virtues\" and that the virtues she shows are more the domain of women. So, \"social virtues\" are more the domain of women, according to you. That is indefensible.",
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"text": "Furthermore, you have been extremely critical and dismissive of Austen, so if your real complaint is that her books portray \"feminine virtues\" then you must not think very highly of these supposed \"feminine virtues\"",
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"text": "But I do think highly of them........ only not when men only engage in them.",
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"text": "What are these \"feminine virtues\" you are talking about, then? Again, are you saying men are not supposed to have \"social virtues?\"",
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"text": "In fact scroll up. I said the social virtues IN ISOLATION are offputting. Austen is offputting to many men because they are a bit isolated and not manly. Do I need to prove this?",
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"text": "NOT AT ALL. (to your comment)",
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"text": "Social virtues are important but more important for women than men. And women can use their household as a training ground for the beasts in such.",
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"text": "???",
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"text": "For those men who lack them. ....... which is most.",
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"text": "Have you heard of the unity of the virtues?",
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"text": "What of reverence for the sacred in Austen?",
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"text": "Why are social virtues more important for women than men?",
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"text": "\"Think for yourself\" -- what virtues are more feminine? what more masculine?",
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"text": "You're the one throwing around the term \"feminine virtues\" like you know what it means.",
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"text": "If you deny there are such, we really have NOTHING to discuss because the point is that Austen's men are a tad too womanly. That is why so many men take offense at Austen.",
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"text": "#virtuegnosis",
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"text": "It does not mean that women and men do not share in ALL the virtues.",
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"text": "Your entire critique of Austen apparently comes down to the fact that she focuses on \"feminine virtues,\" and according to you that seems to be a fatal flaw. So how is the term not dismissive?",
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"text": "Here's the thing. I don't mind so much if you think there are virtues more suited to women, even if you have poorly defined ideas of what that means. But if you simultaneously want to relegate women to \"feminine virtues,\" and obviously disdain these same \"feminine virtues,\" then you unwittingly reveal that you don't actually think much of women.",
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"text": "Did I say more important? I meant more feminine but perhaps should have said are more noticeable when lacking in women than in men.",
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"text": "I don't even mind that much if you don't like Austen. But if you think her work can't be great because it seems to focus on what you think are \"feminine virtues,\" then we have a problem.",
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"text": "If you want to say that Austen depicts a primarily domestic world, and that doesn't interest you all that much, then that's fine. But if your complaint about Austen is specifically her femininity, then I think you're probably a misogynist.",
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"text": "Obviously you would say that, but I don't think I have. I've been trying pretty hard to understand you, but it keeps coming back to this.",
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"text": "I have had the honor of knowing some great leaders (military generals), they actively preach that being a servant, listening and social conflict resolution are the greatest virtues for a leader to aspire to. \nWhat is in Austen more closely provides a guide through these virtues.",
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"text": "Again to go way back, the society itself may be my real complaint. It is the men more than the women who are feeble. But I am done.",
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"text": "I see that what I wrote can be construed as misogynist. When I say feminine, I do not mean exclusively feminine. But men and women show virtue differently. Again my real criticism of Austen is the society. As to her writing, I have many times praised her as one of the best but also that I am not a fan of the novel as much and gave reasons 3 times now.",
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"text": "John, you're not being Aristo-Thomist enough. \nFeminine virtues are the virtues by which a good woman is said to be good insofar as she is a woman. that is good.",
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"text": "It is actually easier to discern and not so obscure. Courage in a man can be rashness in a woman yet both can be equally courageous. In fact the kind of courage a woman often required is the highest type or most properly what it is as when she bears children. It is just less noticed.",
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"text": "I think a lot of your claimed misunderstanding is using the phrase \"feminine virtues\" or \"social virtues\" other than saying \"niceties\" or \"courtesy\" or \"social skills\". Those phrases are probably less charged and seem to describe what you're trying to get at better.",
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"text": "Doesn't it usually mean: be your own guide. In that sense, it is easily a pitfall especially without prior training. But the difficulties you posit everyone faces. And the role of moral virtue is forgotten.",
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"text": "nope. now you have to go back and edit every post where you put \"feminine\" or \"social\" virtues to say social niceties. I have spoken",
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"text": "seriously how many young men fall into Ayn Rand's \"philosophy\"? they need to be protected from themselves",
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"text": "I forgot affability. It is true that these are virtues in conversation and living together and common life in words and deeds. But Austen narrows the scope though as with Aristotle who follows by treating on justice, in Austen the action and words fall under what is just.",
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"text": "I'm waiting for someone to say something I can argue with, instead of John being hard to understand, Samantha being angry all the time and Isak just doing fly-bys \nScrew you people",
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"text": "I have this not only on the TAC-authority but on the authority of one of the most historicist philosophers I've ever met.",
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"text": "which is fine. But I think it essential to read for a well-rounded philosophical education, even if it isn't 'taken seriously' as a philosophy",
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"text": "I feel so bad about the fly-bys - I maintain a very active lifestyle* and often a large amount of time passes before I can return to the conversation. I'm considering the responses to my Gatsby interpretation at the moment, to which I will direct some further thoughts.",
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"text": "I'd ask them what they thought was so important about X and then try to argue about that.",
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"text": "True true, being a little facetious. When it comes to recognized or influential contributors to the Great Conversation, I'd never brag of not having read an author either.",
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"text": "De Koninck thought most modern- contemporary philosophers as dialecticians rather than philosophers. But even a large portion of Aristotle is dialectic. Maybe many of the moderns were trying to reinvent the wheel- there is something to be said of the post-moderns here.\nSince truth is a common good, then studying the moderns, especially someone like Descartes, serves not only to elucidate truth by comparison with error, but is also necessary in order to engage and share truth. And there are true insights in many of the better moderns and contemporaries.\nDang, I wrote an article on the necessity to study the moderns while at my job the other night...maybe I should type it up.\nHere is a controversial thing....Duane Berquist is wrong in his definition of philosopher. He opposes the nominal or etymological definition to the current use. But he misses the proper use of the term. One may be a lover of wisdom and not be a philosopher after all....",
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"text": "I am not angry all the time! I'm not even the angriest person on this thread by a long shot!",
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"text": "\"all German philosophy is worthless, therefore, since I have judged it so, no one should ever read any of it\"",
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"text": "I definitely get more angry than Samantha. But her feathers are more easily ruffled.",
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"text": "That's not the claim, I just wouldn't think that a philosopher had missed something important qua philosopher if he had never studied Kant: he might have missed something important as a teacher or such, but not something essential for figgering out reality.",
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"text": "Hey you guys want to hear a word I made up the other day?!?!",
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"text": "Plagiarism.",
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"text": "I was going to say Isak. But I would also nominate Mr. Kenz and Jeff.",
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"text": "I saw you type that.",
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"text": "Edward, I'm not sure philosophy is that necessary for figgering out reality. #needsmoremathgnosis",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Josh and Jeff just get huffy, I think. I on the other hand become a broiling vessel of the Lord's righteous wrath!!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "almost as much as Scott....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "see that's good work people, we can push this dumpster fire of a thread past 20K",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil Samantha: to answer your earlier question, I haven't read \"In Sunlight,\" but I read \"Winter's Tale\" and thought it was awful. I can't stand magical realism.",
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"text": "\"Dumpster fire\" just made me laugh out loud",
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"text": "Who doesn't like magical realism? You don't like Borges or Garcia-Marquez?",
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"text": "Read what John?",
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"text": "I don't get angry, I just dislike diatribes against women.",
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"text": "Also, I do not \"get my feathers ruffled.\" I become angry in direct proportion to the injustice before me.",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil @Isak: haven't read any Borges, but no, I don't like Garcia-Marquez, even though he is a better writer than Helprin. I just find the whole genre sort of ridiculous.",
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"text": "see you even get angry about getting angry (Samantha)\n#angergnosis",
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"text": "Like a bad deodorant commercial, \"courage strong enough for a man, but disproportionate for a woman\"..... I have warned a few \"men\" prior to their ass getting kicked by a woman, they need to put heir chauvinism in check. (They inevitably push it and they get their ass kicked by a female)",
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"text": "diatribes against women? What thread have you been reading Jeffie?",
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"text": "I'm sorry you don't like Garcia-Marquez. He's one of my very favorites. His books changed my perception of the world for the far far better. But that's a subjective encounter. Have you read Chronicle of a Death Foretold?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Philosophy just is figgering out reality, Michael Beitia",
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"text": "What is this \"subjective encounter\" nonsense? We don't agree to disagree on tNET!",
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"text": "nah, that's math",
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"text": "100 years of solitude is a great novel. there. I SAID IT",
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"text": "Marquez or Borges. . . . . Just bragging [and Jeff I am sorry for not having been clearer]",
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"text": "read both (read this as imperative, not as a statement of what I have, in fact, read [as past tense in this case])",
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"text": "IMHO",
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"text": "Edward Langley: Surely you mean something stronger than that; the claim you are making is true as long as you think all men are rational (there is no super-rational man).",
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"text": "Samantha, all I meant by that is that just because a book had a profound effect on me does not guarantee it will have that same effect on others. That seems pretty clear.\nIn other words, I am not upset if someone else does not think as highly of Gabriel Garcia-Marquez as I do.",
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"text": "I do not demand that anyone worship at the altars of my favorite authors.",
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"text": "or as highly of Austen as ....I...do..... bwahahahaha",
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"text": "Although I would of course argue for his objective literary greatness.",
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"text": "thanks for the clarification. Truth: i haven't read a novel in a while because of a long series of great disappointments. Michael",
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"text": "John, I have an inordinate love of nested parentheticals.",
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"text": "I also do not refer to the phrases of others as \"nonsense\" until I've understood them.",
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"text": "Haha... John I wasn't steering my comment at you, you just received collateral damage from my drama bomb. ",
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"text": "drama is so feminine.",
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"text": "And yet men think arguing is manly.",
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"text": "Disappointments include a few favs on here (not Austen). Saints lives don't disappoint and Alban Butler is a great writer btw.",
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"text": "John, I think you would enjoy any of Marilynne Robinson's books - Housekeeping, Gilead, and Home. They are extraordinary.",
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"text": "Of those who have read her, I think I am in the minority in liking Housekeeping the best.",
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"text": "Does anyone besides me feel really strongly about Knut Hamsen?",
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"text": "I got a copy of Hunger on your recommendation, and will read it when I am done with \"The Dharma Bums\" and then John Darnielle's new first novel \"Wolf in White Van.\"",
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"text": "John - excerpt from Housekeeping: \"To crave and to have are as like as a thing and its shadow. For when does a berry break upon the tongue as sweetly as when one longs to taste it, and when is the taste refracted into so many hues and savors of ripeness and earth, and when do our senses know any thing so utterly as when we lack it? And here again is a foreshadowing -- the world will be made whole. For to wish for a hand on one's hair is all but to feel it. So whatever we may lose, very craving gives it back to us again.\"",
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"text": "Gilead is on my to read list.",
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"text": "More from Housekeeping: \"There is so little to remember of anyone - an anecdote, a conversation at a table. But every memory is turned over and over again, every word, however chance, written in the heart in the hope that memory will fulfill itself, and become flesh, and that the wanderers will find a way home, and the perished, whose lack we always feel, will step through the door finally and stroke our hair with dreaming habitual fondness not having meant to keep us waiting long.\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "interesting. But gotta say: having > craving especially after greatly craving or long absence.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "and my memory is such that my name comes under the heading: out of sight out of mind.",
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"name": "John FitzGerald",
"text": "As a layman I must say this thread is quite good. I mean, I'm not in much of a position to go on about the philo/theo, but I do like what I'm reading. \nKeep it up!",
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"text": "I think the point is that the mere existence of longing destines us for fulfillment. It's teleological.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "fortunately for me, I crave a beer, and I have some in the fridge. It all works out. \nFor my next trick, I'm going to find the hidden message at the bottom of the bottle. #boozegnosis",
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"text": "I crave fig newtons, but having is not as satisfying as the time spent craving. Memories are better than reality.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "if so, Isak, thing and shadow are backwards. Plato and Homer make me a stickler on metaphor. No better teachers.",
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"text": "according to facebook, I'm the only person to ever hashtag #boozegnosis I feel accomplished",
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"text": "\"know anything so utterly as when we lack it\" my senses dont work that way. The opposite. I appreciate and even know a thing or person - and in ways better - in absence. But that is of the mind not sense.",
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"text": "The 2nd quote is more teleogical and rings truer though.",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "Michael Beitia",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Ready for the next round....",
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"name": "Aaron Gigliotti",
"text": "The effin' TNET. Gotta love it.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "#rockgnosis - MY personal gnosis",
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"text": "Somebody stop me before I break out into Depeche Mode.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "No John, it's not backwards - she's employing a form of antimetabole, that's all.",
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"text": "DANG i aint heard that before never",
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"text": "But the way the metaphor works, I don't know. I am def. a having is better than desiring guy but i get it: I think that's magisterial too.",
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"text": "antimetabole, sheesh. That's almost as bad as metagism, or syllaphor.",
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"text": "poets . . . sheesh",
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"text": "that's a cover my ass trope imho.",
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"text": "antimetabole? more like syllophoric metagismic chiasmus",
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"text": "I see tNET has ascended to Marilynne Robinson quotes. Very good. Carry on.",
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"text": "Adrw-- how are you liking Gilead? Have you finished yet?",
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"text": "NOT antimetabole. But you had me going, Isak. And I had forgotten it. Figures.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "So, what's this three days of darkness? Relatedly, why is there so much weird Catholic stuff?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "What's wrong with \"weird Catholic stuff\"?",
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"text": "I'd kinda expect, people being what they are, that a whole horde of everything from superstition to legitimate private revelation would be found among the believers: especially since the Church's book is so obscure.",
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"text": "Well, in the case of the three days of darkness, it's super creepy.",
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"text": "Why?",
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"text": "3D of D is from the one of the false La Salette secrets.",
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"text": "What I've heard about it isn't too far-fetched, given St. John's Apocalypse and other such things.",
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"text": "As I understand it, the \"prophesy\" is that there will be three days of cursed darkness where everybody who goes outside gets eaten by demons unless they have special blessed candles, that, fortunately, weird little groups of super-Catholics can sell you.",
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"text": "My attitude to private revelations is that, if their is any truth to them, we'll find out in due time.",
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"text": "Then what's the point of them?",
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"text": "Perhaps certain people at certain times needed them.",
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"text": "Dont know if there is a legitimate version. I just dont ever plan to live in Paris or Marseille.",
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"text": "Some of them, like the reports of Marian apparitions in the Ukraine or Fatima are clearly that way: they occur in a very particular location where the Faithful are suffering and they help to \"keep morale up\".",
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"text": "Anyways, what I remember of the three days of darkness was that at that time only fire from blessed candles would light, but not that the provenance of the candles would matter.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's not too weird, though, especially since the second coming isn't exactly a \"natural\" time.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "To be fair, there's also a lot of weird fundamentalist stuff that's like that, it just all claims to come from Revelation instead of from private revelation",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Private revelation is for two reasons: warning and comfort. The latter more. Like EL says.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"your old men will dream dreams and your young men see visions\"",
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"text": "right out of Revelation.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Ok. Fair enough.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "And we are in the times of Chastizement imo. So yeah it is comforting. (No rapture. Not THE antichrist)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Sorry, what's comforting?",
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"text": "I don't think we're going to make it to 20,000 tonight, y'all.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "That it will be short, usher in the age of Mary . . . . .",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I know you guys don't care, but the age of Mary is sooooo not in the Bible.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . . . the Church will be restored, its not the last days . . . etc.",
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"polarity": 135,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "How do you know it's not the last days? It could totally be the last days. Jesus is pretty clear that nobody's gonna know when the last days are.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "what about the 6th seal and the 7 thunders. . . .",
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"text": "probably allegorical stuff from Revelation that is impossible to understand?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "7 thunders have not happened and you know what Anthony Marie Claret said about them ",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Nope. I don't know what he said.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "But I will now google him",
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"text": "Protestants looking at blood moons. . . BWAHAHA",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "The 3 days of darkness, as reported by Mrs. Cohoe, is how I heard it (except it had to be your baptismal candle). I figured I was screwed, as by grandmother baptised me in the NICU (the doctors figured I was certainly not going to make it, and my parents weren't exactly religious...so she snuck in the NICU with some Lourdes water, under the pretense of giving me a teddy bear, and baptised me there clandestinely. But she didn't give me no candle)\nTrial, Tribulation and Triumph is the book I recommend here. You can safely skip the first 60% (the title should really be \"My justification of traditional scripture interpretation against the excesses of historical and form criticism, oh yeah and also the end times/antichrist tacked on)\nThere are some interesting things in private revelation, but let's be frank. It all boils down to this- I can die on my walk tonight. And go to hell. So I better get to Christ now.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "who is the seer of that because i do know there is one legit source?",
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"text": "7 thunders = sons of Mary . . . but they have not spoken.",
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"text": "Oh, and I still have that teddy bear...his name is Squeaky. He HATES communists and is foul mouthed. Since he was my baptismal gift, would he work against demons during the three days? Nah, he would probably just call them (censored) communists. And spit at them.\nHe also has a terrible cigar and beer habit.",
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"name": "Adrw Lng",
"text": "Samantha, taking it slow. No more than 20 pages in. I read in the mornings with my coffee ",
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"text": "just NOT La Salette.",
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"text": "Oh many saints have spoken of 3 days of darkness. St. Hildegard von Bingen for one. But she was a bit big on crazy imagery in general, who knows how literal that is meant\nBl. Anna Taigi had this: \n\"There shall come over the whole earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence which will claim mainly, but not only, the enemies of religion. It will be impossible to use any man-made lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy. All the enemies of the Church, whether known or unknown, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few whom God will soon convert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms.\"\nI don't know; this at a time when the Church was under attack in France and Pius VII prisoner....some of it could be projection on her part.",
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"text": "Taigi. That's what I thought. It will actually be a lot worse.",
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"text": "comforting ",
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"text": "probably should start the daily rosary ahead of time. ",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "private revelation is not de fide. I love telling that to Fatima nuts.",
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"text": "oh those wicked and adulterous generations.....",
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"text": "what do you mean private revelation is not de fide? You arrogant TACers probably don't even know what de fide means since you don't know anything about the magesterium (sic).",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "(sorry, just trying to help things get to 20,000).",
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"text": "pious assent. And yeah Fatima is the elephant in the prophecy room.",
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"text": "Well of course not. But I do think too dismissive an attitude is a problem. As if one simply cannot bring himself to believe that God can actually do miracles. It is a disease of the mind, one infecting modernists, that cause them to doubt the credibilia\nBut ultimately many fans of these things miss the point. What matters if I am prepared for the 3 days, if I am not prepared to go to the Lord tonight?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "This always gets interesting when I leave it alone... And then I have to scroll back a million miles...",
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"text": "there is no new revelation. It ends with St. John. therefore I can dismiss Fatima, if I want.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Man, all that piety stuff always drove me nuts. If I reconvert, can I just be a really impious Catholic?",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Also... I'm going to go get some candles blessed now... Do the matches need to be blessed too? ",
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"text": "I call tNET magisterium on Fatima.",
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"text": "At TAC I had a running dialogue with Peter Miller, that started with talk of the 3 days, etc. I said, well Paul says the Jews will come to the Church before the end. That hasn't happened, so the end is not here.\nHe caught me in the parking lot one day. \"Hey did you here, the Jew converted...ALL of them...run to the hills!\"\nWe also called each other cracker and white bread and threaned to carve each other...in front of Mr. Nieto...at Mr. Nieto's home....he gave us some odd looks",
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"text": "Michael, I'm pretty sure the \"no new revelation\" claim is a fairly specific claim: it means that with the writing of the Apocalypse (or whichever was the chronologically last book of the Bible), everything necessary for Salvation had been revealed. I don't think it's meant to indicate that apparitions/etc. won't happen.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Samantha most catholics are impious. You might improve that department.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Also, both the Rosary and the Brown Scapular were originally matters of private revelation.",
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"text": "Yeah, the Brown Scapular is scandalous. Also, I would like to never pray the Rosary again.",
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"text": "And the Prayer to St. Michael \"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle . . .\" is reported to have been written in response to a private revelation.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Scandalous?",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Yeah. As in, a scandal.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Not sure what basis a Catholic would have to think that (I'm not forgetting you aren't a Catholic): The Church is pretty insistent on the importance of material things in aiding one's salvation: Holy Water, Blessed Salt/Oils.",
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"text": "\"Those who die wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.\" That's a scandalous claim",
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"text": "Also, the Scapular is part of the habit of the Carmelites, Franciscans and Dominicans: not exactly fringe Catholic groups.",
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"text": "Why? It's just another sacramental.",
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"text": "But it is true that no revelation after that is public. And hence none of it must be believed. But to reject all of it I think is just as dangerous, and can be scandalous, especially when we have liturgical feasts under those titles.\nI believe in Fatima, but I rarely think of it. It is not the object of faith, after all.\nWhat is good, for example prayer, the Rosary, etc need not be so tied (oh Edward Langley, scapulars in general were derived from the religious habit regardless of whether this or that one bases itself on private revelation. The rosary appears to predate St. Domininic, and there are many versions of the rosary, not just Our Lady's Psalter...and the prayer written by Leo XIII was a different prayer, much longer than the short version that was established from after low Mass)\nOh and Mrs. Cohoe has reminded me I need a new brown scapular. I will say, though, that some of what some TACers said about it amounted to superstition, as if the sacramental, qua physical object, was a talisman of salvation, rather than a sensible reminder of devotion.",
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"text": "I might be wrong, Joshua, about the Dominicans and Franciscans: but I remember hearing that their habit includes the brown Scapular.",
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"text": "And this seems to confirm that: http://www.3op.org/faq.php (last q)\nFAQ\nAnswer: The Dominican Fraternities exists because it is a gift from God for His Church through the Dominican...\n3OP.ORG\nSeptember 21 at 10:21pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJoshua Kenz You are wrong The Dominicans stole theirs from the Nobertines!\nThe Dominican scapular is white. The Brown Scapular, formerly only able to be blessed by a Carmelite priest, is still tied to the Carmelites, the feast of Mt. Carmel, etc\nThe Franciscan's scapular is brown, but is not the same as \"The Brown Scapular.\" Both OP and OFM (small) scapulars are fairly novel (like 20th century novel)",
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"text": "The Benedictine's Black Scapular is fairly old.\nRemember 3rd orders were funny thing. The Dominicans absorbed many penitential societies, but did not really associate them closely with themselves until after Trent, as a way from protecting them against the Franciscans who were seizing all such and forcing them under their rule. (St. Catherine of Sienna in a Dominican habit! hah...really was a b beguine under the protection of the Order of Preachers, lest her group be forcibly Franciscanized)",
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"text": "The claim re: the Brown Scapular is no more scandalous than the Apostolic Pardon, Absolution or anything else which can be abused. No one can know another's intent. I can \"confess\" my sins without sorrow or a firm purpose of amendment and claim that receiving absolution from a Priest on my death bed will save me. It won't. Does that mean that Absolution is a scandal? Of course not. Abusing Absolution is scandalous - as is wearing a sacramental disingenuously.",
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"text": "PS - similarly a wedding ring....",
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"text": "Yeah, anyone who thinks that the Scapular is an excuse for license is just asking to be surprised at the last minute.",
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"text": "The scandal isn't the prospect of abuse, the promise itself is an invitation to superstitious understanding. All the qualifications that have to be added make the promise meaningless at best.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The comparison to a wedding ring misses the point completely",
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"text": "There were some at TAC who took it that it was impossible to be damned if wearing it...if pressed they would claim stories like \"this guy was unrepentant, and before he died it fell off\" Well if it is just going to fall off if you sin, well what does that say of the promise? The promise is supposed to be hopeful not, well if you are damned, it will fall off.\nSo the promise should be read as: those who follow what wearing this scapular symbolises, who are wearing it \"honestly\" shall not be lost. But that just means one who follows God and perseveres is not lost. So really, what was the point of the promise? Is it that if you stick to the way of life, originally Carmelite spirituality, embodied in this, you will in fact persevere in following God, because to do this is to follow God, in a particular way? Yep I think it is that last one, but I do think that many fans don't present it that way...",
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"text": "\"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.\"",
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"text": "Ok Samantha. Let Father Kavanaugh know that. He uses the wedding ring analogy. He is the English translator of the writings of both St.Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross, a member of the Institute of Carmelite Studies and was the vice postulator for the canonization of St.Edith Stein.",
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"text": "(not to say that that promise is Scripture, but it's a feature of revelation in general that it's often obscure and requires interpretation).",
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"name": "John FitzGerald",
"text": "I've been discovering the Anchorage Cathedral, Holy Family, of late. Dominican. Rosary ever morning and not what I'm used to. They skip the three Hail Marys for faith, hope, and charity. But it's also not the Dominican Rosary. I've been looking around for an explanation but haven't found one. As to the brown scapula: this one seems the standard. Right? There are others worn by members of Orders, but the one for laymen is the smaller one, right?\nAs to the Rosary. Apparently, few Dominicans believe the Virgin Mary gave the Rosary to St. Dominic. But the rarely say so in public.",
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"text": "Scandal = lead into sin. You accuse Our Lady of leading souls to sin. There is the attachment of the rosary of course. All that remains. But to persevere in that is not for those of false devotion or superstition. Or Our Lady will lead them out of such. She will crush the head of the serpent and that hour approaches.",
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"text": "The 3 Hail Marys and Our Father is not part of the Rosary which is Our Lady's Psalter. If you read St. Louis Marie de Montefort, you would see he starts it as one does the traditional office ( O Lord open my lips to proclaim thy praise...) and the veni Sancte Spiritus.",
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"text": "She is much more powerful in these times than you can imagine and more beloved of God than all men and angels combined. If superstition cause one to begin the scapular, it is not the reason they will persevere. Impossible.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "The fine line of superstition....",
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"text": "Kenz: came across Montefort. Didn't recognize that version either. All I knew was being out of the church for a little while, next thing I know JPII adds The Luminous.",
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"text": "If you want a sure path though or the surest by far. That is TRUE DEVOTION of Louis de Montfort. That kind of blows away the superstition.",
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"text": "Wouldn't worry about luminous, pray them or not. I think folks have unnecessary scruples over being supertitious actually.",
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"text": "http://www.catholic.com/.../michell.../a-mission-for-st-jude\nA Mission for St. Jude\nWhenever I go to eucharistic adoration, I have a little ritual that I follow, something I consider to be a good deed...\nCATHOLIC.COM",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "There is an ad in my side-bar now for \"crowdsourced menswear\" ... the name of this menswear is \"Gustin\" ... probably because of the earlier mentions of Molly.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Edward Langley I wear a brown scapular.... with a miraculous medal attached.",
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"text": "I wear one myself, though w/o the medal. Can say I fault some for believing superstitiously, where it's concerned. The lady who explained its purpose sort of implied as much, and I'm sure she didn't mean to.",
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"text": "those are mine. Miraculous medal is way cool.",
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"text": "Sorry, I meant that I cannot say that I fault...",
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"text": "Some may seem superstitious who simply have a great deal of confidence in Our Lady. Can be mistaken especially by those without faith. . . . apropos Joshua's status.",
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"text": "Looking back on comments, I have to say that the scapular (and medal) I see as a badge of my devotion to Our Lady, however poor that be. Also a sign of her care for and fidelity to Our Lord and to me, as well as her special protection over me, the solitude of a real mother. The medal and its prayer also have a profound meaning, a whole spirituality in itself - amazing really. True devotion carries it further but I would be lost without it, no doubt.",
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"text": "http://www.stpeterslist.com/.../7-things-you-should-know.../\n6 Things You Should Know about the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel | St....\nSTPETERSLIST.COM",
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"text": "\u201cWear the Scapular devoutly and perseveringly. It is my garment. To be clothed in it means you are continually thinking of me, and I in turn, am always thinking of you and helping you to secure eternal life.\u201d \nI think people often overlook this very important aspect in favour of only focusing on the moment of death part.",
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"text": "^this",
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"text": "I think the constant physical presence of the blessed item close to one's skin reminds one to behave accordingly.",
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"text": "My key chain for my car is a miraculous medal.",
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"text": "#sacramentalgnosis",
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"text": "^nice",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "so how many ages and epochs have I missed?",
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"text": "a lot",
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"text": "Eh. No biggie. They'll come around again.",
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"name": "Oleg Kostoglotov",
"text": "This thread should be published and made into a huge leather-bound tome and displayed as art at some prestigious gallery. The public will just eat up the narcism mixed with naval gazing tech debating philosophy and raw exposure of religion, and politics from what seems to be lunatics escaped from an asylum in the California mountains.",
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"text": "The other day I found a photo of Molly Gustin at La Cabana having a liter turbo margarita... Good times",
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"text": "Punctuated by occasional bursts of humorous truth; we cannot deny that.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Post it, Jeff!",
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"text": "Ah crud... Let me find it.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Wow ... only 200 away from the big 2-OH.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "We got this.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Honest question. What IS superstition exactly anyway, and what's wrong with it?",
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"text": "Superstition is an excess to which the virtue of religion is opposed.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "http://youtu.be/wDZFf0pm0SE\nStevie Wonder ~ Superstition\nStevie Wonder in the studio 1973 [Superstition]\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I can dig that Ed",
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"polarity": 140,
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Did you check out my catholic answers link? They had a few more articles on superstition.",
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"polarity": 102,
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "As a textual starting point, you could do worse. ",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Haha... Just kidding here it is (sorry no scanner... These are traditional photos)",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "What is the defect? Doubt? Skepticism? Agnosticism?",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Daniel, now all I can think of is that series of bud light football ads from a few years back.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Thanks, Jeff!",
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"text": "The defect is irreligion (tempting God, simony, perjury, sacrilege)",
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"text": "Within superstition Aquinas includes undue worship of the true God, idolatry, divination, and observances. Actually, to these last three Aquinas calls them the \"superstition of divination, the superstition of\"\nAfter all, Francis and Dominic both practiced divination (with Missals), hence the Gospel passage that inspired Francis (not heard at a Mass, but picked by flipping the Missal open and putting his finger down) and the motto of the OP's, taken from the Preface of the BVM\nUndue worship is in observing the rites of the Jews, which, since Christ has come, and they foreshadow Him, are now a lie. And in impersonating the whole Church. And this happens when one offers worship contrary to the use of the Church, while acting on the part of the Church, whether this be against divine or human authority or ecclesiatical custom. So in acting for the Church, a priest commits liturgical abuses, he has sinned through superstition. This seems odd, but as Aquinas says\nEt ideo quidquid homo faciat quod pertinet ad Dei gloriam, et ad hoc quod mens hominis Deo subiiciatur, et etiam corpus per moderatam refrenationem concupiscentiarum, secundum Dei et Ecclesiae ordinationem, et consuetudinem eorum quibus homo convivit, non est superfluum in divino cultu. Si autem aliquid sit quod quantum est de se non pertinet ad Dei gloriam, neque ad hoc quod mens hominis feratur in Deum, aut quod carnis concupiscentiae moderate refrenantur; aut etiam si sit praeter Dei et Ecclesiae institutionem, vel contra consuetudinem communem (quae secundum Augustinum, pro lege habenda est). Totum hoc reputandum est superfluum et superstitiosum, quia, in exterioribus solum consistens, ad interiorem Dei cultum non pertinet. Unde Augustinus, in libro de vera Relig., inducit quod dicitur Luc. XVII, regnum Dei intra vos est, contra superstitiosos, qui scilicet exterioribus principalem curam impendunt.",
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"text": "Also pertinent are \"observances\" (which has to do with \"magic\" incantations, throwing salt over your shoulder...)\nin omnibus incantationibus vel Scripturis suspensis duo cavenda videntur. Primo quidem, quid sit quod profertur vel scribitur. Quia si est aliquid ad invocationes Daemonum pertinens, manifeste est superstitiosum et illicitum. Similiter etiam videtur esse cavendum, si contineat ignota nomina, ne sub illis aliquid illicitum lateat. Unde Chrysostomus dicit, super Matth., quod, Pharisaeorum magnificantium fimbrias suas exemplo, nunc multi aliqua nomina Hebraica Angelorum confingunt et scribunt et alligant, quae non intelligentibus metuenda videntur. Est etiam cavendum ne aliquid falsitatis contineat. Quia sic eius effectus non posset expectari a Deo, qui non est testis falsitatis deinde, secundo, cavendum est ne cum verbis sacris contineantur ibi aliqua vana, puta aliqui characteres inscripti, praeter signum crucis. Aut si spes habeatur in modo scribendi aut ligandi, aut in quacumque huiusmodi vanitate quae ad divinam reverentiam non pertineat. Quia hoc iudicaretur superstitiosum. Alias autem est licitum. Unde in decretis dicitur, XXVI, qu. V, cap. non liceat Christianis etc., nec in collectionibus herbarum quae medicinales sunt aliquas observationes aut incantationes liceat attendere, nisi tantum cum symbolo divino aut oratione dominica, ut tantum creator omnium et Deus honoretur.\nIt seems fair that some treat the scapular this way, as a talisman. Read the whole of S. Th. II-II q. 93 and q. 96 a. 4 is helpful here",
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"text": "The white man persecuted and oppressed the Native Americans to such a shameful extent that there can be no reconciliation, no amends possible. Discuss.",
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"text": "Bullfighting. For or against?",
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"text": "Claim: The Detroit Lions will come out atop the NFC North by the end of the season. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beitia",
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"text": "Can we all be serious for a moment?\nWe all know the most controversial question you can ask a bunch of TACers....opposite sex allowed in the common area of dorms, at least during the day?",
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"text": "^If you allow that, Joshua, the college might as well pass out condoms.",
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"text": "^My wife had no trouble at all.",
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"text": "Nah, isn't necessary, Joshua. There are all kinds of ways to socialize...or is it fratrenize with the fair sex. .. you really think that's necessary?",
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"text": "Interesting. Pope Francis just reiterated Benedict's Regensburg address, in essence...and the libs love him for it:\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../pope-francis-extremist...\nPope Francis Slams Extremists Who 'Pervert Religion'\n* Francis makes first papal trip to Albania in 21 years *...\nHUFFINGTONPOST.COM",
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"text": "I think they should put on the dating game at dances. Would help the quieter people find a spouse.",
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"text": "For the uninitiated ...",
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"text": "We are one of the stumbling blocks to it being taught in the church (TACers and other orthodox thinking theologians). We are resistant to the expression.",
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"text": "Joshua, I think part of the reason you experience it that way is because of your awareness and connection to the the whole of Church Teaching.",
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"text": "Theology of the Body -- but you knew that right?",
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"text": "Got it. I didn't know that just as ToB though.",
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"text": "Sam -- if you get a chance, take Fr Alan Boisclar's classes that he gives in the Archdiocese",
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"text": "Perhaps, but I see almost every admiring theologian of JPII muddle things with the obfuscatory method of \"phenomenology\" There is some limited application and benefit, but preaching to the masses ain't one of them. And it would be a mistake to think \"ToB\" is Church teaching",
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"text": "Joshua -- 'his personal opinions' as in JPII? Or CW?",
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"text": "I guess I feel like when you compare the work of JPII and Benedict, you have to admit that JPII was a philosopher, someone who was interested in working out a philosophical anthropology of the human person, whereas Benedict was a dyed-in-the-wool theologian.",
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"text": "Can you imagine how obscure and disorienting it would have been for the \"common man\" to go to the Wednesday audiences while JPII was giving his TOB series????",
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"text": "While of course also defending central aspects of Church teaching",
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"text": "No kidding Daniel -- it couldn't be understood that way.",
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"text": "Which makes one wonder about the prudence of such a delivery.",
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"text": "I think both JPII and BXVI will be Doctors of the Church some day",
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"text": "^Probably true.",
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"text": "But what option did he have?",
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"text": "A super long encyclical????",
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"text": "^Write a book.",
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"text": "Nope. Never gonna read anything else but The Jewellers Shop anymore, besides the encyclicals. I have very serious, but fairly obtuse and technical objections to his approach to phenomenology. I don't know enough about theology to have an opinion though.",
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"text": "No - it wouldn't have the theological weight",
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"text": "No, no. His addresses on Wednesday about TOB are not magesterial.",
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"text": "Dr Waldstein wrote the 'book' that pulled it all together",
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"text": "And is still not complete...he has some rough edges in it.",
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"text": "The Wednesday audiences hold a higher regard than you think Joshua",
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"text": "He was trying to encourage discussion.",
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"text": "They are notmagisterial",
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"text": "He was trying to re-argue Humanae Vitae",
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"text": "*cues Auld Lang Syne for the balloon drop at 20,000*",
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"text": "Benedict wrote Jesus of Nazareth as a Theologian.",
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"text": "I can reject them as such, and do reject certain aspects...and HV was a badly written encyclical as far as its argument goes",
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"text": "JPII should have done something similar.",
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"text": "Yeah. Humanae Vitae...",
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"text": "I don't think anyone who hasn't read it in whole should talk about rejecting any of it",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "We are all still recovering from that FUBAR.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "First do your homework.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson -- are you tuning in?",
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"text": "Probably with some help -- since you don't know how to read anything that isn't presented in Thomistic terms",
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"text": "I think that is fair to ask.",
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"text": "What is FUBA?",
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"text": "It shocks me how myopic declaring any of the recent popes a Doctor would be. That title has already been fairly abused in its expansion, but still. There are several popes that I think all would recognize as greater teachers...like Benedict XIV, or Leo XIII. That is not a dig",
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"text": "^edit.",
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"text": "Why are you getting nasty?",
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"text": "I so wish he would have stuck to play writing, because it is amazing, even in translation it holds up, and actually does what phenomenology is supposed to do (i.e., imagine the real).",
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"text": "I have read it all",
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"text": "Guys, play nice. And ladies.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Ducked up beyond all repair",
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"text": "I'm not being nasty, but honest",
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"text": "BTW. We made it.",
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"text": "No, you are making unwarranted assumptions",
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"text": "Where is our fearless leader, Matthew J. Peterson?",
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"text": "I think the world can agree that JPII did not write clearly.",
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"text": "Yeah, I think the 'edit' post was the 20000th",
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"text": "I have read all of JP II, and I have studied non Thomistic theology",
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"text": "wait, has someone *not* read it? I was operating on the other side of the assumption...",
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"text": "Heck, Lendman could vouch for what this means, but my paper on Husserl's theory of truth earned praise from Fr. Ramelow, who said I articulated things he had thought but couldn't articulate",
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"text": "I haven't.",
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"text": "I am sure the majority of TAC alumni haven't read it",
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"text": "\"Thomistic Personalism\" is a project for those who are super interested in phenomenology but it is neither necessary nor indispensable for answering these questions. If it works for you, God bless. However, since it requires thomistic metaphysics, it presupposes thomistic anthropology. I just don't see what it adds which couldn't be argued through traditional fields and means.",
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"text": "That may be true, and I have no problem with that",
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"text": "So much for my assumptions about TAC'ers...",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "are we having a \"read off\" here?",
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"text": "Yep",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yes, John.",
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"text": "I asked an either or question. Which one is the yes affirming?",
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"text": "I meant the former.",
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"text": "Ok",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "habit of knowledge.",
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"text": "But that's incindental to my claim: if you want to qualify evangelization as something like \"preparing for the gift of Faith\" or something, it still holds a secondary place in the intellectual life.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "I agree with that.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(Note, I'm speaking formally here: I don't deny that evangelization can be more important in a Christian life, but . .. .)",
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"text": "I just had issue with your terminology.",
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"text": "The question was actually a point of contention between the doctor communis and the doctor universalis: St. Albert held in his Summa (composed after Aquinas's) that sacred theology is a practical science.",
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"text": "... on to 25K",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Ad hoc dicendum, quod in veritate sacra scrip- \ntura practica est et stat in opere virtutis vel theolo- \ngicae vel cardinalis, quia si etiam verum in re fruibili60\nvel utili inquirit, hoc ipsum refert ad affectum, ut \nscilicet in fide vel in eo quod succedit fidei, fruatur \nper affectum vel intellectum affectivum summa veri- \ntate, per spem vel spei succedens summo beatificante, \nper caritatem summa bonitate. Historice autem65\nproposita et praeceptive in lege et parabolice ad opus \nrefert meritorium. Hymnidice autem in psalmis de- \nscripta ad affectum refert pietatis, et verum, quod \ninquirit, de deo et operibus eius inquirit, non ut \nverum simpliciter, sed ut summe beatificans, in quod70\nreferat totam pietatis intentionem in affectu et opere. \nSicut Aristoteles etiam in x ethicorum felicitatem \ncontemplativam determinat ut finem, ad quem refe- \nrantur actus virtutum intellectualium et moralium \net heroicarum; propter quod et ipsa quae tractat de75\nfelicitate contemplativa, moralis sive practica est \nsicut et ceterae partes scientiae moralis. Differt autem \nab aliis practicis, quas philosophi considerant; aliae \nenim practicae stant ad opus perfectum perfectione \nvirtutis acquisitae, ista autem stat ad opus perfectum80\nperfectione virtutis infusae per gratiam. \"(Albert, ST, I, t.1, q.3, c.3)",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Edward Langley.\n\"Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth: and their words unto the ends of the world.\" (Ps. 19:4)\nThere is, as it were, an inherent impetus to the Gospel that compels it to go out from itself. This compulsion is twofold: First, it is a command from Christ himself, \"Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.\" (Mt. 28:19). Secondly, there is a kind of power in the truth of the gospel that makes it heard and known (cognoscere) to the hearers, \"For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.\" (Heb 4:12) \nWith regard to Philosophical truths, however, there is no such compulsion. There is none in the first way because any merely human doctrine can in nowise be commanded to be taught to \"all nations,\" since in human doctrine there is always an admixture of error. As the Philosopher says, \"It is more common for man to be in error.\" So also, with regard to the second way, philosophical doctrines do not compel the hearer as the Gospel does. For, human understanding, is slow and prone to errors as said above. Thus, even when men hear things that are true, they can deny it or put it off saying, \"We want to hear you again on this subject.\"(Act 17:32) This is why, in response to the few conversions Paul saw in Athens when he then went to Corinth he said of his time there, \"For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.\"(1Cor. 2:2).",
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"text": "Consequently, Edward, I hold that Theology is necessarily evangelical, whereas Philosophy need not be. In theology we attempt, and are compelled to reveal Christ. This does not mean that all theology should be popular. But I would argue that all theology should be attentive to the current age in a way that the philosopher need not be. To be a theologian means to teach the Word of God.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "Nor should one hold that there is an identity between evangelization and teaching. \n\"Now there are diversities of graces, but the same Spirit;\nAnd there are diversities of ministries, but the same Lord;\nAnd there are diversities of operations, but the same God, who worketh all in all.\nAnd the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man unto profit.\nTo one indeed, by the Spirit, is given the word of wisdom: and to another, the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;\nTo another, faith in the same spirit; to another, the grace of healing in one Spirit;\nTo another, the working of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, the discerning of spirits; to another, diverse kinds of tongues; to another, interpretation of speeches.\nBut all these things one and the same Spirit worketh, dividing to every one according as he will.\" (1Cor. 12:4-11)\nAll spiritual gifts belong to evangelization. This is why, for example, St. Teresa of Calcutta's sisters need not \"teach\" properly speaking, but they evangelize by caring for the poor and sick.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "why, in tNET's eternal return of the same, is Theology overnight, whereas literature is in the day?",
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"text": "Because you have an \"Americo-Centric\" worldview. It was day, here when were discussing theology. ",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "you're in the minority Daniel.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I was thinking it had something to do with drinking schedules....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and to be clear, I'd like to throw my non-professional opinion behind Kenz's assertion that JPII is unintelligible. I find the same goes for lots of the more modern magisterial documents. Thank God (literally) for tradition so that we have more clear teachings to refer the new obscure teachings",
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"text": "for example, Lumen Gentium makes no sense without Mystici Corporis, which requires Unam Sanctam. \nIt seems like magisterial teachings get less clear and more garbled over time, kind of like me and a fifth.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "^this",
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"text": "That works with the Rerum Novarum series and what follows Providentissimus Deus. I think they all thought they had to be as lengthy as Leo XIII (a papal who can write the most comepetition). They could have just said \"see Leo\" or \"^this\" and saved a lot of confusion.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I curious to see, historically, when \"pastoral\" became synonymous with \"obscure\"",
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"text": "nocturnal theologians seem to have passed out again.",
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"text": "definition of pastoral = #ultimategnosis",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "well, since we've lost the theologians again, I suppose we'll have to discuss Jane Austen.....again....",
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"text": "defining it is like bringing matter amd antimatter into contact.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i am done with discussion. All i have left is derision and slight regard. For JA . . .",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": ". . . . actually i really dont like many of the Austen haters nor the quality of the members of team Austen.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "[Maybe i will actually have to put away the movies and read one the books ]",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "more Nietzschean Austen quotes from my up and coming thesis: \"The Will to Marriageability\" \n\u201cTo live with tremendous and proud composure; always beyond \u2014. To have and not to have one's affects, one's pro and con, at will; to condescend to them, for a few hours; to seat oneself on them as on a horse, often as on an ass \u2014 for one must know how to make use of their stupidity as much as of their fire. To reserve one's three hundred foregrounds; also the dark glasses; for there are cases when nobody may look into our eyes, still less into our \"grounds.\" And to choose for company that impish and cheerful vice, courtesy. And to remain master of one's four virtues: of courage, insight, sympathy, and solitude.\u201d",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "[prod prod]",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "talk about obscure",
"classes": "even",
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"date": "2014-09-22T09:16:00"
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Nietchze is quite the impish condescending ass himself. The question: did he learn it from Liz and Austen?",
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"index": 19974,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "STOP, Beitia. You are baiting me.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Jane Austen:\n\u201cThey were within twenty yards of each other, and so abrupt was his appearance, that it was impossible to avoid his sight. Their eyes instantly met, and the cheeks of each were overspread with the deepest blush. He absolutely started, and for a moment seemed immoveable from surprise; but shortly recovering himself, advanced towards the party, and spoke to Elizabeth, if not in terms of perfect composure, at least of perfect civility.\u201d\nMr. Darcy is the ubermensch",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "or from Sense and Sensibility:\n\u201cI will be calm. I will be mistress of myself.\u201d \njust like Nietzsche....",
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"index": 19977,
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Will To Marry",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
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"index": 19978,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "traditional definition of pastoral: to define and to condemn error (cf Pascendi and note like its first word maybe)\nupdated pastoral: fuzzy wuv and no never any meany uncharitable words AND definitions are sooooo 19th century.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Jane Austen:\n\u201cKnow your own happiness.\u201d\nhow Nietzschean",
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"index": 19980,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Beitia is getting serious. That's three quotes in one day. I just wait for Kenz and Langley or pater for the smack down / diversion.",
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"date": "2014-09-22T09:48:00"
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Jane Austen: \"Richard Wagner used to be a friend of mine but then he got lame.\"\nHow Nietzschian.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 81,
"date": "2014-09-22T09:49:00"
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"index": 19982,
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "John Boyer: It's \"The will to marriageability, Mr Darcy and the Ubermensch\"",
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"likes": 3,
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"date": "2014-09-22T09:49:00"
},
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 19983,
"name_length": 10,
"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "There's a dissertation title.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-22T09:49:00"
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"index": 19984,
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "The final sentences of chapter 24 of The Long Goodbye by Raymond Chandler - probably how every chapter of a book should end.\n\"She hung up and I set out the chess board. I filled a pipe, paraded the chessmen and inspected them for French shaves and loose buttons, and played a championship tournament game between Gortchakoff and Meninkin, seventy-two moves to a draw, a prize specimen of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object, a battle without armour, a war without blood, and as elaborate a waste of human intelligence as you could find anywhere outside an advertising agency.\"",
"classes": "even",
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"index": 19985,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "6! When will it end! \"Know your own happiness\" is that for realz?",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 70,
"date": "2014-09-22T09:53:00"
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"index": 19986,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "It is. I just have to cherry pick some quotes, write about the society depicted in Austen is rotten, how most of the characters are small, and how Darcy comes along and wills past all of them.",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 54,
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "shit, this comparative literature stuff is easy! Tenure track, here I come!",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 86,
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"index": 19988,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson that was perfect.",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 100,
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"polarity": 51,
"index": 19989,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "DON'T scroll up; its a bloody massacre. Bits of bunny splattered everywhere. O Horror Horror Horror! The queen of wabbits is dead.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 74,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:00:00"
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 19990,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "When you stare into tNET...",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:00:00"
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"polarity": 156,
"index": 19991,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "tNET stares long into you. And when hunting an Austen quote, make sure you don't turn into an Austen quote",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 3,
"subjectivity": 73,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:01:00"
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"index": 19992,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Jane-Austen-fan-submits...\nJane Austen fan submits her work anonymously to publishers... and receives...\nDAILYMAIL.CO.UK",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 19993,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "my thesis: \"Darcy as post Christian pelagian Luther: covering over our sins with money.\"",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 2,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:07:00"
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"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "^^This piece is supposed to highlight the flaws in the publishing system. But could it highlight the flaws in Austen herself...hmmmm...?",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 2,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:08:00"
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "How about: \"Marriageable All-Too-Marriageable, Austen and Nietzsche's Four Virtues\"",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:09:00"
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11610489\nAusten's style 'may not be hers'\nThe elegant writing style of novelist Jane Austen may have been the work of her editor, an academic at Oxford...\nBBC.CO.UK",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 63,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:15:00"
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"polarity": 134,
"index": 19997,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "^Jane Austen didn't even write Jane Austen, apparently.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 51,
"date": "2014-09-22T10:15:00"
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"name_length": 10,
"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Chandler should be part of Senior Seminar.",
"classes": "even",
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"text": "I OBJECT in the most Austenian terms to Peterson's quote. Knowledge is for its own sake. I refuse to condescend to peddle myself at the institutions of higher prostitution. Have you learned nothing from N.? De K.? Austen? What should a TACer do?",
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"text": "\"The Birth of Mr. Knightly, Austen the Dionysian\"",
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"text": "I await the right suitor. . . . . even if that means following Austen's fate. [Of course i assumed Peterson was criticizing tNET, a conversational novel, and not Austen]",
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"text": "This quality too of Austen. While selling off others into trifling marriages, she remained the unmoved mover. Also in ordering her kingdom of cottaintails (Beatrice Potter being one caretaker), she took a page out of Herodotus. Anyone remember how Croesus saved his warlike Lydians from annihilation at the hand of Cyrus?",
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"text": "^this is why Austen gets so much deserved hate. She's fricken Circe i tell you sans squeals. . . . . and Beitia has the wand of Hermes.",
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"text": "#wandgnosis",
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"text": "I'm kind of disappointed.... all this prodding and I can't get a Austen fan to bite.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund is sleeping",
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"text": "BUT THE JOKES! how can anyone sleep through the humor?\n#dumpsterfiregnosis",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "they are all slain. Or huddled trembling in their wabbit holes.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "And here I though you were sooooo tired of me being angry all the time.",
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"text": "no! far from it. I like angry people",
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"text": "I still haven't criticized Austen yet. Keep looking",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Humor = overhead. [And take a look at what Bond did to Madison on Peterson's page. Not to mention MY jokes that only Bond got. . . . . . crickets . . . Fed. 10 status]",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "how are we ever going to have the facebook thread record if we all get along?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "HA! Beitia! You established all the premises. Do you not see the conclusions? Or are you taken with the siren song of Zarathustra?",
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"text": "getalongism is what rabbits do. They are docile unless you attack their queen unless you slay her.",
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"text": "PATER EDMUND is hiding. Probably under an Austrian aristocratic petticoat of some distant aunt. He may pop in to say he has to go to vespers with a \"virtuous\" condescending flourish and 3 or 4 links. ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Well, Michael has \"never criticized Austen\" and John already admitted defeat, even though he's pretending that he wasn't vanquished, so I consider the Austen case closed.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Not actually asleep. Our Holy Father St Bernard was against sleep: \u00abWhat should I say of sleep, which in other men is a restoration after labor, a recreation of sense and mind? From that time till now he was awake more than is humanly possible. For no time did he regard as so wasted as the time of sleep. He held the comparison of sleep and death for very fitting; for as the sleeping seem dead to men, so the dead are sleeping in the eyes of God. Hence he could scarce keep his patience when he saw a religious in sleep who either snored too loud, or sprawled indecently; he thought such a one a carnal or worldly sleeper. The meagerness of his sleep was proportionate to the meagerness of his food; in neither did he indulge his body to satiety, in both he was satisfied if he had any at all. As for night-watches, he considered a watch moderate if he did not spend the whole night sleepless.\u00bb #Monkgnosis http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../jerome-k-jerome.../",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "[goad goad and gloat] AHH! and voila ^^^",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'm quite willing to get angry about something else, though.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'll be honest, tNET is a great outlet for the socially unacceptable side of my personality.",
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"text": "[pssst Beitia. qed. nullum argumentum contra verba sua]",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "NEW question: how did Croesus pacify his Lydians and could it work in modern times . . . . say 19th century England as a random culture and era?",
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Is the poet a lawgiver of sorts? . . . meaning by \"law\" \"nomos\" to include custom?",
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"subjectivity": 25,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Samantha, be angry. They are now debating whether chocolate is per se evil on the pseudo-thomism forum.",
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"subjectivity": 100,
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "This is the same place where the wife-beater hangs out, right? I would expect no less from them.",
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"polarity": 157,
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"On whether the pseudo thomism forum should be flagged and removed from FB?\" slander and an absolute disgrace. Next they will be asking whether it is ok to beat one's parents. sickos.",
"classes": "odd",
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"subjectivity": 60,
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Monkgnosis:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTBiuv4Se68\nI'm going Monk (Zoolander)\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "\"prayer...prayer\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "i just quoted the Bill Cosby chocolate cake song. They shouldnt even be talking about thomas. They need to be beaten as Aristotle says for asking impious or stupid questions.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "alum friends, our gesamstkunstwerk is not far from the FB comment record",
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"text": "not that the questions are hooorrible imo, but really they should it call the ignoramus and morally clueless forum. Thomas would beat them with a fire brand.",
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"text": "well, since chocolate is a modern invention (after the 13th century) it is clearly immoral",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "yeah. Take that cig outta your mouth. You modernist.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "and Jehoshaphat Escalante, I think it is more Kuhschei\u00dfe werk",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Are we really that close? I thought the record was something like 80,000",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "kuhscheibe yourself. This is a tac forum. German Verbotten!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Samantha, Rome wasn't built in a day on the backs of the oppressed plebian class",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Okay, you may knock Austen, but I draw the line at knocking Beatrix Potter. If you don't see how genius her books are, you are a moron. And immoral.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "I think the record is 54,000 but the comments are mostly 'ram' 'ram' 'ram' (why? -- no idea)",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "More like 154000",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "at least tNET has substance",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "But does it have form?",
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"text": "And a higher word count",
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"text": "did i knock her? MAAAAYBE the rabbits.",
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"text": "nothing has form. Form is a purely notional human construct",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "hang on, insofar as tNET can be said to be man made, as opposed to eternally present dumpster fire, it has form",
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"text": "Technically these are posts on a status update. The current record is 584,444 http://recordsetter.com/.../comment-thread.../12598...\nLongest Comment Thread On A Facebook Status Update\nDawarKazi set this world record with RecordSetter, a...\nRECORDSETTER.COM",
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"text": "My teen said we could go for the record for the most intelligent conversation on Facebook. I told her not to push it.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Is death natural?",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "And if Jesus and Mary have their bodies, where are they? (<< ^^ questions my 12th graders want to know)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "in heaven.",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "But 'where' is that?",
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"text": "Grade 12s are harder than most crowds. And they flit all over the place with questions!",
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"text": "beyond the lunar sphere. . . . . . . . somewhere. Do you have to know everything? What is Faith?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "you know. Like the de fide definition. NOT the non de fide non definition.",
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"text": "NO ONE KNOWS. Nor never has. (Where heaven is that is.)",
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"text": "We know next to zilch on all the great mysteries (mysterion = sacramentum). What is faith? De fide? . . . . . . . Secundum Paulum?",
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"text": "The question what is faith is a response to petulance regarding \"where is heaven?\"",
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"text": "\". . . . will there be any Faith?\"",
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"text": "John, that seems like an intemperate response to a perfectly reasonable question.",
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"text": "\"o ye of little faith.\"",
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"text": "faith of little children?",
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"text": "Edward, you still need to face your reckoning.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I like Beatrix Potter a lot. Mr. Jeremy Fisher is my very favorite!\nBut can we please stop saying things like \"Everyone who doesn't like [insert author of which speaker is fond] is a complete [insert derogatory].\" What possible good can that do?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"erit enim tempus cum sanam doctrinam non sustinebit, . . . . . ad fabulas autem convertentur.\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Daniel, I don't think your position is compatible with the dignity of theology.",
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"text": "Yeah, I know. That stuff just triggers all my \"nope\" instincts.",
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"text": "Ah, right. I started ToB one time... That is all I have to contribute to that conversation.",
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"text": "should I tell them about the illicit Lingua Latina I'm sneaking into the curriculum?",
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"text": "I have a better definition: superstition is all that papist stuff that isn't in the Bible.",
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"text": "The Evangelical \"rapture\" (rupture?) is super scriptural too... right?",
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"text": "Come on. You think I'm into that stuff?",
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"text": "Whose Bible?",
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"text": "The cool thing about being an evangelical, is you can just reject the craziness.",
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"text": "Truthfully, I don't think any profound theological differences arise from the canonical vs. apocryphal Bibles.",
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"text": "Is John trying to have a private fb conversation with any of you about holocaust denial?",
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"text": "Or am I the only lucky one.",
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"text": "two things: you're the lucky one\nand \nisn't rejecting the craziness rejecting evangelicals?",
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"text": "It is unclear to me that Catholics have to accept much \"craziness\" either. As Kenz laid out earlier, the dogmatic disagreements between Catholics and what I believe Escalante called \"magisterial reformers\" (i.e. Luther and Calvin) are overblown. There are disagreements, but fewer than one might think.\nW/r/t the \"Catholic pious devotionals\" those are optional. I suppose it depends on whether one thinks things like the Eucharist and prayer to the Saints constitute \"craziness.\"",
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"text": "He's called me a \"domesticated rabbit\" and a \"moron\" so I'm not holding my breath.",
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"text": "I personally like his comments, for the most part, but I've got pretty thick e-skin",
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"text": "^Expand",
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"text": "and Joel, I think you're right about the magisterial reformers. And I'm an Anglican, so the Eucharist isn't the problem.",
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"text": "I too dabbled in Anglicanism. Not in \u2018Nam of course.",
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"text": "#Biglebowskignosis",
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"text": "The disagreements are actually huge; Joshua was only discussing a narrow set of topics",
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"text": "you're not wrong, Joel, you're just an",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat Escalante--what do you see the chief doctrinal disagreements being?",
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"text": "I've been re-reading Pride and Prejudice so as to try to mend the hole in my soul. Just finished Chapter 12 and GOD WHAT FUSSY, MINCING DRIVEL!! CALL YOU THIS PROSE?",
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"text": "Oh and sola scriptura of course",
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"text": "Much like Royal Tenenbaum, I've always been considered that, but I prefer SOB.",
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"text": "Yeah, sola scriptura leads to some pretty massive differences.",
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"text": "I was sort of onboard with Scripture + Tradition for a while, when thinking of Tradition as the way the Church has interpreted Scripture, but in practice Tradition seem to mean that the Church can define new doctrine and claim it was always part of \"Tradition\" as long as someone somewhere thought it.",
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"text": "that seems an oversimplification....",
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"text": "every Christian has to believe in a stronger or weaker form of tradition. The disagreement is how much to admit or not",
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"text": "I'm certainly not going to get into any apologetics here with my charming alumni friends, I only wished to say that there are immense and important differences",
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"text": "That's right. I believe in the weaker form. The much weaker form.",
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"text": "of course, otherwise you'd be Catholic...or Orthodox.\nAnd Jehoshaphat, I appreciate that.",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat--that's fair. I tend to think the justification/sanctification divide while real is not as great as some make it to be. I'm also not an expert on \"what Protestants believe.\" Round my neck of the woods, growing up, it was either (a) any damn thing they could wring out of the Bible themselves or (b) not much of anything at all. Of course, if one looked at the (unofficial) beliefs of actual Catholics, one could say the same things but they didn't need to find it in the Bible.",
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"text": "^The above is not, and is not intended to be an insult to my thoughtful Protestant friends here.",
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"text": "Haha, all two of us.",
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"text": "Caleb answered the one technical question. Thanks for the recommendation Caleb! So that's three at the very least.",
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"text": "well, I'm off to the dentist. solve all the divides between Protestants and Catholics while I'm gone.",
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"text": "The justification divide is definitely huge, recent exercises in waffling notwithstanding. \nAnd I should note, since you quote my use of \"magisterial reformers\", that this is a term current among historians of early modernity, and it does not mean, as most (especially Catholics) understandably take it to mean, that Protestants regard Luther or Calvin as equivalent to the Papal magisterium. It rather comes from the word \"magistrate\", and indicates those mainline, orthodox Protestants (as opposed to Radical Reformation) who looked to the civil magistrate, having the cura religionis, as the main implementer of reform.",
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"text": "and by \"recent exercises in waffling\" I mean the \"Joint Declaration\", which serious Catholics ought to find as appalling as I do",
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"text": "hmm, you don't like it? interesting.",
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"text": "I haven't read it since high school-- maybe it wasn't as great as I thought at the time.",
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"text": "I understood the term to mean that, and was using it to differentiate those Protestants from some of the ones I was acquainted with as a child\u2014you know, crazy Southern revival types.",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat--w/ one or 2 exceptions, the ecumensim of the Catholic church for the last 50 years has been deplorable.",
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"text": "^^absolutely, Joshua",
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"text": "re the JD, it seems to me that the committee's basic idea was \"hey we were all very precise in the 16th and 17th centuries and that didn't solve anything so let's just never use terms clearly again but chant 'unity' to Taize tunes and hug and see what happens\"",
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"text": "I remember my mom thought the JD was a sign that the churches were all going to unite under the anti-Christ and Jesus would soon come back and save the few elect who remained apart.",
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"text": "Fortunately, *that* didn't happen.",
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"text": "As the churches are today, they'd make a pretty sorry army for the Antichrist",
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"text": "I can't imagine the army of Antichrist with pastel felt banners",
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"text": "http://news.yahoo.com/polygamist-ninja-women-sneak-utah... See... that's why you can't support poliganinjas.\nPolygamist Ninja Women Sneak Into Utah Home To Abduct 15-Year-Old Girl, Fail...\nNEWS.YAHOO.COM",
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"text": "They will use the edge of brightly colored construction paper to cut the other side into kindness.",
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"text": "They will smother the opposition in wads of cotton.",
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"text": "Blackwell So what's being discussed today?",
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"text": "Polyganinjas.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I don't know how to put clip art on my newsletter. Do I have to?",
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"name": "Matthew Reiser",
"text": "Samantha Cohoe Clip art is inherently evil. Sort of like Comic Sans.",
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"text": "Yeah. I'll just have a little box on my newsletter with text inside, that say \"this is where I would have put clip art if it weren't inherently evil.\" Parents will love it.",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Here's something fun!\nhttp://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/a-generic-college-paper\nA Generic College Paper.\nSince the beginning of time, bullshit, flowery overgeneralization with at least one thesaurus\u2019d...\nMCSWEENEYS.NET",
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"text": "^that's going to be like my Nietzsche/Austen crossover paper! You spoiled it!",
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"text": "So I come back from the dentist to find that y'all haven't solved all the problems between Catholics and their \"separated brethren\"....\nas an aside, this is twaddle:\n18.Therefore the doctrine of justification, which takes up this message and explicates it, is more than just one part of Christian doctrine. It stands in an essential relation to all truths of faith, which are to be seen as internally related to each other. It is an indispensable criterion which constantly serves to orient all the teaching and practice of our churches to Christ. When Lutherans emphasize the unique significance of this criterion, they do not deny the interrelation and significance of all truths of faith. When Catholics see themselves as bound by several criteria, they do not deny the special function of the message of justification. Lutherans and Catholics share the goal of confessing Christ in all things, who alone is to be trusted above all things as the one Mediator (1 Tim 2:5f) through whom God in the Holy Spirit gives himself and pours out his renewing gifts. [cf. Sources for section 3].",
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"text": "Don't be sore, Michael",
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"text": "We were waiting for you to get here to really sink our teeth into the subject",
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"text": "You know the drill",
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"text": "But be nice - remember we've got fillings too",
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"text": "Everybody brace yourselves",
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"text": "You're about to have a brush with tNET destiny",
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"text": "is this pun til you puke hour? Did I miss that memo?",
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"text": "No, actually that takes place starting at tooth-hurtie.",
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"text": "you're gumming up the discussion",
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"text": "Bite me",
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"text": "one more pun and we're removing your tNET plaque.",
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"text": "Won't chew please lighten up?",
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"text": "Tim Cantu the wordplay has begun",
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"text": "Can you tell it's Monday?",
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"text": "paying lip service",
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"text": "The real question is, is it art?",
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"text": "Has the thread died?",
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"text": "No, it's hibernating.",
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"text": "Hmmm, I think it's dead. All that Hitler stuff made everyone just give up on it",
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"text": "I actually think it was the puns. The unphilosophical generally lack appreciation for the most philosophical form of humor.",
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"text": "nope it's the Bears game (halftime now, I'm makin' nachos)",
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"text": "Oooo... nachos... Ok well as long as it picks up by the time I'm up for the 2 am feeding session.",
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"text": "If the pun is the lowest form of humor, it is therefore the foundation of all wit.",
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"text": "So would the situation with ISIS be an acceptable time for a Crusade? (Given that it would even be a possibility which I don't know if it could be given training etc)",
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"text": "Oliver Wendell Holmes once said \u201cPeople who make puns are like wanton boys that put coppers on the railroad tracks. They amuse themselves and other children, but their little trick may upset a freight train of conversation for the sake of a battered witticism.\u201d\nMr. Holmes only ever came to such a simile because he never made a good pun in his life. Sometimes, when the passengers are being lulled to sleep by the drone of endless travel, that big, dull freight train of conversation should be derailed. A truly good pun must be granted admission to the rarer excellencies of conversation, if conversation is to be lively and interesting. Punning is a talent despised only by those who have it not.",
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"text": "A pun is merely two strings of thought twisted into one verbal knot. The punster is, essentially, a \u201ccorrupter of words,\u201d like Feste.",
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"text": "You have to distinguish the puns.\nA pun is an ambiguous usage of an equivocal word for humorous effect. If the two meanings just happen to come together (as with the trite example, \"bat\"), the pun is a relatively low form of humor. If the two meanings are logically related (As for example Oscar Wilde's \"'I can make a pun on any subject.' 'Can you make a pun upon the Queen?' 'The Queen, my dear sir, is not a subject.'\") the pun has a much loftier place within the realm of humor.",
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"text": "GRR Martin's books are nihilistic. I don't care how many times he denies it.",
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"text": "Any character in game of thrones who looks around at the world and concludes that the forces of good have a shot at winning is an idiot, and probably will die horribly on the next page.",
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"text": "Jeff, have you read them? If so, I bet you and I are the only ones on tNET who have.",
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"text": "This is failing at satisfying my bedtime reading tonight, I guess I'll have to go back to Anna Karenina",
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"text": "It's not 2AM yet, Lauren.",
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"text": "Are you putting baby Phil on her back?",
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"text": "Most of the time (like all but two nights) (and please don't anyone come after me with an axe for this)",
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"text": "And her name is not Phil. In fact Alex would be mad if he knew I responded to you when you called her that ",
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"text": "I'm just sharpening it now.",
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"text": "In my defense it was recommended by a Nurse for dealing with her tummy issues ",
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"text": "Yup, Samantha, I totally dig the books. It is the best of Greek tragedy outside of Russian authors. \nEvery character has virtues and vices; the virtues make them successful in their endeavors and their vices are their undoing. It is nihilistic as far as nothing being sacred, but the unspoken/unseen main characters have not been introduced yet. The book series is a chess game with two people (gods) playing the game.... One of which doesn't even have a name yet. \nThe best part being the focus on politics and minimizing the fantasy aspects.",
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"text": "Even the tv shows have been well done. (If the uncensored versions are too much for your sensibilities, you can find censored versions out there).",
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"text": "The sad part is it is one of those books where you can't talk about it with the uninitiated. (Lacking #songoficeandfiregnosis)",
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"text": "Didn't he say he considers himself the anti-Tolkien and he uses the R.R. on purpose for this reason?",
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"text": "How many do you have to have read to be initiated? I read the first one and thought it was terrible.",
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"text": "But back to the praise of the pun! Mr. Holmes is somewhat accurate in stating that those who make puns amuse themselves. Part of the delight in a good, well timed pun lies in the loud groans from everyone else within hearing. There is a great deal of satisfaction to be found in it. The specific wordplay of a pun seems to be ordered towards a certain kind of humor \u2013 not the kind of humor for making others chuckle or laugh, for a pun is not a joke told for the entertainment of others \u2013 no, a pun is made for the amusement of the man who is clever enough to capture two thoughts in one net.",
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"text": "A pun is, unashamedly, ordered towards the pleasure that is to be found in the exercising of a quick wit.",
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"text": "And there is nothing to be found in this exercise of wit which needs condemning. To \"get\" a pun, and groan at it, requires only a rational being. But to make a pun\u2026ah, that needs a gentleman\u2019s intellect, beyond the mere capacity of comprehension, able to see humorous relations and express them quickly! A pun demands a well-read, verbally competent, nimble and ready mind (as well as the admittedly unavoidable lack of shame in cracking a witticism meant only for personal enjoyment).",
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"text": "But the pun is not entirely selfish - put two punsters together, give them a topic, and they will find each other to be very funny gentlemen indeed. They will exercise their wits in tandem and share something in which everyone else is either unable, or able but unwilling, to partake: the activity of wordmongering, and the great fun that is to be found in the form of humor not limited by the laws placed on popular comedy.",
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"text": "In a world of egalitarian humor, the spontaneous pun is the lone misfiring atom of elitism.",
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"text": "The pun is proud, the pun is defiant, the pun has a twinkle in its eye, and the pun elicits groans because of the reluctance of witless men like Mr. Holmes to pay it tribute in laughter.\nAnd yet few will pass up the opportunity to crack a good pun, however rarely it rises before them \u2013 and thus, it may be that the groans emitted by all those who hear a magnificent play on words are the result of deep-down, subconscious admiration and jealousy: \u201cGod, why didn\u2019t I think of that?\u201d",
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"text": "#pungnosis",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat, this is a sad moment for me",
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"text": "Feil I felt the same way about the Hunger Games that Michael Beitia did about GoT. I read the first one and had no interest in reading the other two. Joel HF gave me the rundown on the plot and it doesn't sound like I missed much. (Far more controversially, I'm sure, this is also how I felt about Breaking Bad. I watched the first two seasons and did not feel a burning desire to keep going. Maybe someday. But it's not the best TV show ever if I don't give a damn about finishing it.)",
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"text": "Feil (And yes, Joel HF, I'm outing you as the only adult in our household who has read all three HG books.)",
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"text": "HP isnt great kid's lit, but it's not the worst, and I have a soft spot for it because it finally motivated my son to be game for Latin about which he had been hitherto grumpy",
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"text": "Catherine, definitely things like Wind in the Willows and Homer have fallen out out of pop culture. From your view of HP as stitched together from greater forebears, it suggests a mostly unfulfilled appetite for good fiction. I wonder what books have been pulled along by the HP bandwagon, old or new",
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"text": "And I want to go on record saying I liked the Divergent series, and loved the anti-utopian/Long Defeat sort of vibe",
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"text": "I also want to make clear that however stitched together HP may be, GoT \"draws from history\" with breadth and specificity that approaches plagiarism. (seriously, almost every strut of world-building and major piece of world backstory has a direct analogue). The scale of GoT invites comparison with Tolkien, which isn't really fair but causes me to judge GoT more harshly than I should. I did admire the Dorne arc in particular.",
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"text": "Feil Haven't read GoT, so I'll have to take your word for it, but just for the record, in case it wasn't clear, I wasn't accusing Rowling of plagiarism.",
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"text": "Sorry Catharine, I didn't think you were, I just wanted to take a gratuitous shot at Martin again",
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"text": "Feil No, no need to apologize, I just wanted to make sure we were all clear on that. My choice of phrase might have left that unclear.",
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"text": "can we at least agree that we don't know the size/shape of all the breasts in HP, something I can't say about a lot of other fantasy... (I'm looking at you Steven R Donaldson)",
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"text": "Sci-fi has the most quality of the last 30-40 years of all the contemporary genres.",
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"text": "Ryan Burke, the history of literature (particularly novels) stealing from history/real life is long, and I don't have a problem with it, nor with literary allusion to other works of literature (Tolstoy and Dante are exemplars of each). I will say that Rowling does nothing with her lifted elements and isn't even clever with them: Le Guin, Tom Brown's School Days, Nesbit (an acknowledged influence), The Little White Horse, ... she doesn't really transform her sources so much as clumsily patch together second rate copies of them. I will say her taste of influences is pretty good, and to the extent that those other works are discovered, then HP isn't all bad. But that's a tepid defense at best.",
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"text": "Ender's Game is better than the Hunger Games (which I didn't mind, although they weren't exactly top shelf anything. Comparing and contrasting the two is a good exercise that reveals superiority.",
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"text": "The trick is finding a genre transcender, like, for instance, Raymond Chandler: The Long Goodbye transcends crime mystery stuff.",
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"text": "How far did you get through ender's game? The first few books were good. But it eventually fell apart completely into space Mormons.",
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"text": "Ok... Not the part where it is poligamy and space Mormons.",
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"text": "But you people need to be reading fiction from Sh\u016bsaku End\u014d (Silence), Kazuo Ishiguro (Remains of the Day), Mo Yan (Frog), and the Chinese classics.",
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"text": "Wheel of time also started out well, but got harder and harder to read without the story developing significantly.",
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"text": "The Left Hand of Darkness, for instance, by Ursula K. Le Guin has a protagonist on a planet of androgynous people - it is likely taken as some kind of Progressive statement about gender, but in reality I think it much more pro active and insightful than that.",
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"text": "Eifelheim, by Michael Flynn, about what happens when aliens converge on a medieval village during the time of the plague - now that's a fairly recent book any TACer would like find arresting.",
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"text": "James Heffernan: list off some gems and near gems so we can read 'em if we haven't already.",
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"text": "how about this:\nSci-fi/fantasy suffers from a whole hoard of misogynistic writing and puerile 12 yo fantasies. that's why most of it sucks",
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"text": "Weiss Song of Ice and Fire (GoT is only the first in the series) is absolutely wonderful, and a great relief to me after being continually sickened by self-satisfied fantasy poking along in a sad Tolkein imitation. Wheel of Time is a perfect example of the kind of fantasy that is almost a parody of itself.",
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"text": "Mistborn Trilogy and the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson. Star Bearer Trilogy by Patricia Mckillip.",
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"text": "Tbf, most books in any genre--\"literary novels\" included--are terrible.",
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"text": "true Joel, but at the same time they don't suffer from the same defects.",
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"text": "right, and 80% of men look at porn so what's the problem, right?",
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"text": "So was Twilight.",
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"text": "Rosman This is the thread that never ends!",
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"text": "Weiss Key to writing standard fantasy: come up with almost unpronounceable names that look exotic in print. Come up with an Unlikely Hero as protagonist. A peppy, independent woman needs to be involved, and she has to keep the hero at a distance for a long time before ultimately succumbing as his Prize. There should be prophecies that the characters all distrust but which the author takes very seriously. Probably a few secret clans or mysterious religious groups that the hero at one point will have ot join, demonstrating his fabulousness by reaching the Higher Levels in record time. There will be Good Guys and Bad Guys. Any women worth mentioning will be either young and beautiful, or old so it doesn't matter what they look like. A few characters you like die, and it's sad, but you never doubt that the protagonist will make it through because the author looooooves him and is so impressed with his little fantasy world.\nGeorge R.R. Martin does none of this shite.",
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"text": "Did someone block me? No idea what Michael Beitia's porn comment or the \"so was Twilight\" by Heffernan comment are about.",
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"text": "I commented that people read bad fiction and miler motioned other forms of written publications that are commonly (Stupid autocorrxt ). My point is quality is not necessary for success.",
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"text": "can you be blocked on your own thread?",
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"text": "Weiss Have any of you read Mary Doria Russell's \"The Sparrow\"? In which Jesuits go on a missionary trip to an alien planet? Very theological. And not pretty.",
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"text": "All right. I went back and reread my posts. Realize that they were misleading. Sorry folks. My main beef is with the laws against Holocaust denial. I can't find a definition of what that means. It's related to hate speach. Neither of these can I get behind. So, apologies for misleading everyone. \nMy main CONCERN with the holocaust is what is the meaning of it? how was it caused? what were the reasons for antisemitism? ...... because I really think it can happen again. There's also some fuzzy math there. Why the insistence on precisely six million (I honestly don't know the meaning of that number)? Anyways, lots of legit questions that have nothing to do with denying the holocaust.\nI think Williamson was very imprudent and I DON'T agree with him, but I read up on what happened to him. I don't think anyone here has. strike that. I'm sure the haters haven't. Can't get behind him nor his approval of the \"Poem of the Man-God\" and other stuff. But I have some sympathy for him. He's an interesting fellow if he's gone off the deep end in a few ways. But I don't know him or any SSPX clergy personally and only met a few on one day. (I think he was mistreated by the SSPX too. Loooooot's to read about that and really really weird how the SSPX -- SO were kicked out.)",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson wrote,\"Sci-fi has the most quality of the last 30-40 years of all the contemporary genres.\" That's interesting. I can't get into it despite having lots of friends love it. And Jehoshaphat Escalante, I gotta disagree about Dune. A priest and good friend encouraged my reading of that years ago. It's popularity is interesting. In fact, the whole phenomena of sci-fi and fantasy is very interesting.",
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"text": "Rebecca Bratten Weiss - no, but now it is on my list. So do your think Martin is not fantasy, or is better fantasy (I'm assuming).",
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"text": "Weiss It's good fantasy. It uses the freedom permitted by the genre well, instead of assuming that the genre provides a blueprint. Reading SOIAF rejuvenated my sense of what fantasy could be, so of course I now have my own fantasy plot in the works, again, after giving up 20 years ago.",
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"text": "True about Dune. But I had probs with it. LIS the fantasy and sci-fi genre which I loved as a youth are an interesting phenomena.",
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"text": "Anyone else read the Shannara books by Terry Brooks as a teenager? Those were delightful, if definitely derivative of Tolkein.",
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"text": "The more recent entries, not so much. But the Heritage of Shannara series of four books was really good, especially the Druid of Shannara.",
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"text": "You people also should be reading Richard Russo's accounts of small town life in America. Recognized by everybody, he draws from western NY state where I grew up from time to time. Nobody's Fool was a great movie and the books are better.",
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"text": "What does LIS stand for?",
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"text": "And taking that up a notch, read Marilynne Robinson (Gilead, etc.) but I think Samantha Cohoe told you that already.",
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"text": "^THE BEST",
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"text": "tNET or read books?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia: what should I do? Read some Austen or just continue grilling and deriding her on tNET? WWJD?",
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"text": "comment 18,674 ",
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"text": "Why do you guys talk about all the fun things when I've got stuff to do?",
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"text": "conspiracy",
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"text": "Michael Beitia-- what is your sister's name? Who is she published with?",
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"text": "How do you all know which comment number each post is",
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"text": "that was a joke.",
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"text": "I don't understand the complaint that Harry Potter is \"derivative.\" Who cares? Everything is derivative. Rowling took elements from everything and made an awesome story out of them.",
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"text": "Why not? Why wouldn't story-tellers want to borrow from the greatest story in human history?",
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"text": "#commentnumbergnosis I could tell you, Joel, .....",
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"text": "or \"The virtue of selfishness\"",
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"text": "But grown adults still imbibe that stuff. Like Matthew says, lots of other leftist books that are almost as bad.",
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"text": "Yeah, but unless you really like being punched in the brain, having read \"a shit ton\" of fantasy it is an argument that bad style doesn't make you feel like you're being punched in the brain.",
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"text": "Matthew Peterson's point bears repeating: \"But it is more interesting to consider why she was and is so popular and why people were and are drawn to it.\" Why is that? This is the sort of thing that I ask about lots of books (including things like Dune and HP and even LOTR). Very interesting and fruitful considerations)\\",
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"text": "I have all of them. Foucault's Pendulum is a personal favorite, but you might enjoy Baudalino more.",
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"text": "the best thing is you can usually get them for $.99 on amazon in hard back because no one ever finishes them...",
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"text": "How's that quote from Metropolitan (Stillman) go, you know the one about Austen criticism. (Haven't seen it in a while.)",
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"text": "Also Samantha Cohoe: as a child I LOVED the Wind in the Willows.",
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"text": "How can you say it's boring? Toad gowing to jail is boring? Badger collecting clubs and pistols?",
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"text": "as to Ayn Rand, the \"moral\" philosophy is solipsistic, and can't be argued against. It is purely to make the \"objectivist\" feel good about himself.",
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"text": "I even liked Tom Brown's Schooldays as a child, although I admit to finding the beginning and the end parts boring. The middle is intensely exciting though.",
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"text": "With regard to children's literature, Wind in the Willows is outstanding. \nAlso, have any read the Red Wall books. I found them, on the whole, delightful.",
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"text": "We have the entire Red Wall corpus in the kids' library....",
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"text": ", \u201cYou don\u2019t have to read a book to have an opinion. . . . I don\u2019t read novels. I prefer good literary criticism\u2014that way you get both the novelists\u2019 ideas and the TNET\u2019s thinking.\u201d ",
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"text": "I'm a bit sad not to be in the boy's club on this one, but I was utterly bored by Wind in the Willows. I don't remember it that well, but I remember how boring I found it.",
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"text": "Yeah, maybe Wind in the Willows is the kale smoothie of children's lit, Joel.",
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"text": "\u00ab The Rat looked very grave, and stood in deep thought for a minute or two. Then he re-entered the house, strapped a belt round his waist, shoved a brace of pistols into it, took up a stout cudgel that stood in a corner of the hall, and set off for the Wild Wood at a smart pace.\nIt was already getting towards dusk when he reached the first fringe of trees and plunged without hesitation into the wood, looking anxiously on either side for any sign of his friend. Here and there wicked little faces popped out of holes, but vanished immediately at sight of the valorous animal, his pistols, and the great ugly cudgel in his grasp; and the whistling and pattering, which he had heard quite plainly on his first entry, died away and ceased, and all was very still. He made his way manfully through the length of the wood, to its furthest edge; then, forsaking all paths, he set himself to traverse it, laboriously working over the whole ground, and all the time calling out cheerfully, 'Moly, Moly, Moly! Where are you? It's me\u2014it's old Rat!' \u00bb",
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"text": "btw, in case there are any weirdos here, \"kale smoothie\" is a stinging insult",
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"text": "has anyone else read The Iron Ring by Alexander? probably my favorite of all his books.",
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"text": "\u00ab 'Exactly,' said the Badger; 'that is my point. The weasels will trust entirely to their excellent sentinels. And that is where the passage comes in. That very useful tunnel leads right up under the butler's pantry, next to the dining-hall!'\n'Aha! that squeaky board in the butler's pantry!' said Toad. 'Now I understand it!'\n'We shall creep out quietly into the butler's pantry\u2014' cried the Mole.\n'\u2014with our pistols and swords and sticks\u2014' shouted the Rat.\n'\u2014and rush in upon them,' said the Badger.\n'\u2014and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy, running round and round the room, and jumping over the chairs. \u00bb",
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"text": "and by 'weirdos,' I mean, people who claim to like kale smoothies.",
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"text": "Daniel, Prydain has been mentioned implicitly, but Jehoshaphat Escalante prefers Westmark\u2014the crypto-Jacobin!",
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"text": "Samantha I also didn't like WitW but I've read The Swiss Family Robinson about 6 times, (which I know some other people find boring) so I don't totally trust my own judgment.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "It's called \"gender essentialism,\" and I've already copped to it.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Thank you, Nina, I was starting to feel very alone.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "I think they might have chocolate in the recreation room... Hmm the Thread or chocolate with my confreres\u2014hard choice.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "btw, if I ever get my YA book published, none of you are allowed to read it.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Darn, even if you use my walk in the snow description?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That's going in the sequel, but no. Not even then.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\u201cYou don\u2019t have to read a book to have an opinion. . . . I don\u2019t read novels. I prefer good literary criticism\u2014that way you get both the novelists\u2019 ideas and the TNET\u2019s thinking.\u201d Or should I (re)read the drivel? That is the question. INPUT here please, tNET. Do you have to read it all to have an informed opinion? Can't one limit himself to a few good books to read again and again. Like toad running around and jumping on chairs. That's my opinion.",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "if I ever publish my book I am going to link it on here and I expect everyone to give me five star reviews to help drive up my rating.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "My great uncle just read Brideshead Revisited over and over again in the last years of his life.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "You're expecting *these* people to give you a five star review?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Pater, that's what I'm saying. A really good book can be read again and again to much better good than many lesser books.",
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"text": "I will give five star reviews to any Thread authors who publish novels, but the have to mention the Thread in the author's note.",
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"text": "I would read the first part of Brideshead over and over. I don't think the second half bears a lot of re-reading",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "read all the things",
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"text": "\u00abYoung men, especially in America, write to me and ask me to recommend \u201ca course of reading.\u201d Distrust a course of reading! People who really care for books read all of them. There is no other course.\u00bb \u2013Andrew Lang",
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"text": "no, Beitia. I think a good selection of all the things is good enough. Like the first couple pages of Twilight. No need to read more.........",
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"text": "it seems like a lot of people on here would love to participate in a conspiracy and this seems harmless enough to fulfill their dreams... and to help me out as well. it's a win-win.",
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"text": "all the things",
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"text": "..........not only that but I COULD not read more. CAN NOT do. It was torture",
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"text": "Beitia = masochist. Sick one he.",
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"text": "Hmm, that's a good theory Nina.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Auf ein baldiges Wiedersehen, Thread, time to go get some Chocolate.",
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"text": "I might do that too as long as everyone agrees not to read it. Wouldn't want anyone to feel that they were being punched in the brain.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, that is wrong wrong wrong. I like Vives course of reading to a young man beginning on Greek. I think the early books are most important. After you've taken a good course (got a good start), maybe it's ok to READ ALL THINGS. But that's not possible. And many THE BEST THINKERS '/ WRITERS settled on just one or two books (like Plato)",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "...... The Clouds.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "tNET is like getting punched in the brain.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "AHA! so you do like it.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "^^^ masochist QED",
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"text": "no, John called it right, I'm a masochist.\nI finished Auto De Fe by Elias Canetti",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil FTR, although I certainly think some children's books appeal more to boys, or more to girls, I never thought of The Wind in the Willows as one of those books. I liked it a lot as a child.",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil (And still do.)",
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"name": "Catherine Joliat",
"text": "Feil Also FTR: although it makes for a good simile, Joel HF is way more likely to let his children eat McDonald's than read bad literature.",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Simile? Please, it was a metagism.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I used to love the Stillman. I think my disaffection dovetailed with my disaffection for HER who will no longer be named. ",
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"text": "I Whit Stillman. Weren't we all praising him not long ago on tNET?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Everybody should take the Amazon poll so that they make more episodes of The Cosmopolitans.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The Wind in the Willows is absolutely wonderful. I still stand by this as a life philosophy: \u201cBelieve me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.\u201d",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Also, the Redwall series is some of the best children's literature ever. I have never gotten tired of that series and still return to favorite scenes and events in my imagination. Martin the Warrior was my favorite entry. I have to admit that they got a mild repetitive the more Brian Jacques wrote, God rest his soul.",
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"text": "You know, I met Jacques when I was about 10 years old. My Dad took me to a book signing, and I waited in line with my heart pounding. When I got up to the front, he shook my hand and said in his delightful Scouser accent \"What's your name then?\"\n\"My name's Isak,\" I said. He looked me up and down for a second, and I will never forget what he said next.\n\"And with a cold smile, Isak drew his sword and lopped off the head of the principal.\"\nThen he signed two of my books. I still have them.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "He looked in my soul and gave me a story. Summed up my essence at age 10. God bless him, I miss him so much.",
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"name": "Rebecca Bratten",
"text": "Weiss I LOVED Wind in the Willows when I was very small. But I also eat kale in large quantities, and not in smoothies.",
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"text": "kale's fine if you cook it with bacon.",
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"text": "Weiss Note to self: if you leave the never ending thread, you will miss the discussion on Ayn Rand, and the opportunity to talk about being a teenage objectivist, and how it does NOT get one dates.",
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"name": "Rebecca Bratten",
"text": "Weiss I sautee it in butter with scads of garlic.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "that works, too.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Yeah, I didn't get any dates that one week when I was 15.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Those were strange times, the '50s...",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Brian Jacques, people. Brian Jacques. Go read Redwall again, Pater Edmund ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "That was a good story, Isak. I feel it deserves more recognition than a couple of likes.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "TNET recognizes it, likes or no. ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Why is your name spelled like that?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "It's Czech. I'm named after Isak Dinesen. ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Ok, that's all right, then.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I'm so glad you approve...",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Wasn't she Danish?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Yes, but Isak Dinesen was her pen name.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I've been meaning to ask you that for a while, but I figured I should wait until after I said something nice, to balance out the rudeness. Did it work?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Have any of you read her short story Sorrow-Acre? I want to hold a beer seminar soon on it. Breathtaking.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Haha I wouldn't have minded. It's an unusual spelling, not rude to ask about it in my opinion",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Is Cohoe a Scottish name?",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "No one knows.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The Cohoe who first emigrated this way was from Ireland, but they think the name may have originated elsewhere.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Also - deceptively attractive and ultimately insidious children's series - His Dark Materials, Philip Pullman.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Irish = Awesome",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Anyway, my maiden name is Scottish. I'm not Irish.",
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"text": "Still awesome",
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"text": "I was gobsmacked when I finished His Dark Materials.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
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"text": "I got several, Samantha. But I have an army of kids that monitor the situation so that I can pounce on the glory.",
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"text": "Huh, so is there a god of the white walkers who is the ice god?",
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"text": "And who do you see getting \"saved\" by renouncing vice and sin?",
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"text": "I'm still not convinced by the virtue narrative though, Jeff. Weren't the hound's \"last\" regrets wishing he'd gone ahead and raped Sansa when he had the chance?",
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"text": "And tyrion doesn't turn to virtue, he's just consistently less horrible than everyone else",
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"text": "Men who love Austen do not do so in proportion to height, necessarily, but those who dislike her? You wouldn't happen to be extremely short would you Isak Benedict? Just a wild guess!",
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"text": "How much do I like Austen?",
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"text": "But when does tyrion ever try to overcome his lust?",
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"text": "Kathleen Kathleen Wilson. Help a sister out",
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"text": "To spend a whole semester teaching the Ethics! I hope your students love this opportunity, Richard Delahide Ferrier.\nWhat's got their interest so far, and yours?",
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"text": "Ferrier So, have I kept the thread going for a bit? If so, I have not lived in vain! lol.",
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"text": "I was able to start my into to Am government at CMC this year with selections on democracy from the Politics. And I loved how a few students called out the back and forth dialectic of the treatise.\n\"But he says here that the many added together... but over here he says the many added together...\"",
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"text": "We are all extremely fortunate - extremely blessed - to have had such teachers as Richard Delahide Ferrier.\nIt takes many years to fully realize such things - how rare some people are. I can't believe what I took for granted as an undergraduate.",
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"text": "I hated Junior philosophy (I don't blame the tutor -- but my immaturity). But my daughter is happy in your class Dr Richard Delahide Ferrier",
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"text": "One of the best arguments I ever had on campus was with Peter Schofield over whether or not Aristotle had pulled the wool over all our eyes concerning the idea of the Good. I believe we eventually agreed, after some hours and the coming and going of many temporary participants, that he was indeed a giant tease and that that was perfectly okay.",
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"text": "I regret that I never had Dr. Ferrier as a tutor. I remember fondly the many spontaneous conversations on the smokers' patio.",
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"text": "But surely Sachs is good for getting people thinking, no? I would likely never assign one of his translations only in a class, but his translations are always essential for triangulation.",
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"text": "All time favorite use of the word \"gobsmacked\" was in the Guardian's brilliant 2010 video on the Tory Conference. It's at about 1:22: http://www.theguardian.com/.../conservative-party...\n(You will like this Richard Delahide Ferrier and Matthew J. Peterson)\nVIdeo: Conservative party conference: Are we all in this together? | John Harris\nHarris's fringe: John Harris gauges the reaction to the...\nTHEGUARDIAN.COM|BY JOHN HARRIS",
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"text": "By the way, Richard Delahide Ferrier:\n\"Tuesday, October 7, will be Harry Jaffa\u2019s 96th birthday! There will be an open house at his home in Claremont that day (come on by when you can, it is an all-day event). If you cannot attend, he would certainly enjoy hearing from you. Send him a birthday card with some comments, or give him a call. Harry is no longer as physically strong as he once was, but his mind is as sharp as ever. \nAddress and phone # available upon request.\nPass the info on to others as appropriate; it would be nice to fill his house and mailbox, and make the day especially memorable.\"",
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"text": "Ferrier I think I have done my part for tonight. Would you all please pray for me tonight, for my kidney disease? and also for Jeremy Holmes, and many others, who are not well?",
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"text": "Sachs' account of the definition of motion is the best I've encountered; moreover, the etymologically-based translation of the key terminology does most definitely help someone get at the nitty-gritty all-too-often obfuscated by the nice and neat Scholastic terminology.\nAnd it is in the line of Heidegger's thinking--Sachs takes it from Klein, who took it from Heidegger. Joseph Owens, particularly in his masterful bit of scholarship The Doctrine of Being in the Aristotelian Metaphysics, is also influential on his thinking.",
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"text": "I never understand when unmarried people say, \"I have a vocation to the married state.\" Or, \"God is calling me to marriage.\" \nHow on earth could one distinguish between \"God's call,\" and natural inclinations?\nDoes a woman have a vocation to marry men in general?",
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"text": "But I also sang sweet tunes!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri5k3VkmGPA\nMan Faced Ox Progeny - The Longest Time\nShort clip of Billy Joel's \"The Longest Time\" sung impromptu by TAC's barbershop quartet in 2004.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Feil Has anyone else noticed that The Artist Formerly Known as Peregine is now trolling on the TAC Alum Facebook group?",
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"text": "Okay, I'll bite: maythis ease your boredom. I think that marriage can absolutely be called a vocation. As mentioned above, we are all called to holiness, but each life we choose is accompanied by different duties. A priest's duties are different from a wife's but both aspire to be closer to God. To discern one's vocation is to discern what duties you are must capable of fulfilling and to live a life succeeding in those duties chosen is to live your call to holiness: hence, vocation.",
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"text": "Thank you for your courage Annette!",
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"text": "Also, Daniel is correct more or less- the modern Christian usage of \"vocation\" for any craft, occupation, or state in life is a Lutheran usage originally, because we rejected (and still do reject) the idea that \"religious life\" is the perfection of a life of holiness; all licit modes of human life are \"religious\" for us. Modern Catholics have adopted our language without being very clear what they mean by it; Lendman's position is the traditional one.",
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"text": "Well, I would argue that \"any craft, occupation, or state\" is not necessarily vocational because not every craft or occupation is necessarily spiritual.",
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"text": "I thought the question broached was whether marriage is vocational, and, if so is it vocational in the narrower Catholic sense, or only in the broader sense.",
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"text": "Controversy: \"Daniel is too agreeable. Is it really him or an FBbot.?\"",
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"text": "in the traditional Catholic view, marriage is vocational because sacramental, but not in the plenary sense that religious life is",
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"text": "I dont think so, formerly known as JA. Vocation is strictly a call to leave ALL for the kingdom of God.",
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"text": "I don't think the single life could be called sacramental, yet it still can be vocational for Catholics. Would it not follow then that vocation and sacrament are, at least to some degree, separate subjects?",
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"text": "Marriage is a sacrament. Religious life is not. It is a call from God. God does not \"call\" people to marriage. Concupiscence often leaves that calling card as Lendman noted above. Good question: when was marriage first called a vocation among Catholics?",
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"text": "unless we're using \"vocation\" analogously to \"for the greater glory of God\". then it is so watered down in meaning that it becomes meaningless",
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"text": "I feel called to smoke a cigarette, is that my vocation for the next 10 minutes?",
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"text": "\"Michael?\" \n\"here I am Lord\"\n\"go smoke\"",
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"text": "JA, I only asked your question in different words. When did we start watering down vocation?",
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"text": "probably the 60s (because that's when everything happens)",
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"text": "So we're back to marriage being vocational in-so-far as it comes with its own duties within the general call to holiness. I don't know whether that is a watered down view, but I'll concede it is a broader one.",
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"text": "Michael, you may lack the the gift of discernment of voices. just saying. not that i dont smoke too. Incense in the temple of the Holy Spirit. . . . .",
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"text": "See! I am the oracle of RC orthodoxy. Thanks Daniel",
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"text": "I though that the single life could referred to as vocational when a single person uses the freedom of not being committed to either spouse or church in order to devote himself to others in ways that neither priest or married person could. Going back to duties within the call to holiness.",
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"text": "The problem is, \"being single\" is not a state.",
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"text": "It is not a dig on singles to say they don't have a vocation . . . . like a religious.",
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"text": "Still, it seems unsatisfying to entirely rule out single life as being without vocation...",
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"text": "I think it can be if you're a consecrated single...",
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"text": "I think the problem with understanding vocational in any way other than sacramental opens up a whole hoard of watered-down 'meanings'",
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"text": "It is an in between and imperfect life. There can be no state of life without some sort of vow.",
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"text": "much better than getting left out of the kingdom of heaven altogether, Anette. Our dissatisfaction is an effect of living in an egalitarian society. \" But i want the right to have a baby\" syndrome. We are not all equal in every respect.",
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"text": "it is also the \"state\" of life that everyone is born into. there is no change in state from infancy onward",
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"text": "Daniel, did you say all were called to the religious life above?",
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"text": "No, I'm not thinking as an egalitarian. I'm thinking in terms of devotion. I think there is a place for the unique positioning of a single person within the call to holiness. Someone who purposely remains single lives a life of devotion different from that of a married person or a priest, and takes on different spiritual duties. Does that not suggest room for some other category of vocation?",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman--what of those who vow to remain single? One doesn't *necessarily* enter an order.",
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"text": "Precisely.",
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"text": "Of course, I think a \"vocation\" only exists properly for priests after they have been \"called\" at ordination. But I can't find any of the stuff I wrote on it, and I've completely forgotten my argument.",
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"text": "It is a feel good watered down thing. Everyone is as good as everyond. We are all just as good as each other. No one feels left out. That's how i see it. Anti-elitism. But striving for holiness is by its nature elitist just as the religious vocation is by its nature higher.",
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"text": "single vows are good. Just not a religious vocation.",
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"text": "Annette, I agree with all you say above except calling it vocation.",
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"text": "See, Joel agrees with me too (except that religious life has always been considered a vocation).",
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"text": "I am by no means arguing from a \"first place for all\" standpoint, and I think I agree with you in saying that only ordained priests devote themselves to religious life in the true sense, and, consequently, their lives are the proper definition of \"vocation\". However God does call us all, and based on our path in life we serve him in different ways. Again, I concede a broader use of \"vocation\", but not that it is necessarily watered down.",
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"text": "holy orders:broad sense vocation :: private fb message: posting on tNET\n#ratiognosis",
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"text": "maybe it is bad analogy time:\npriesthood:broad sense vocation::limo:bus",
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"text": "To be clear. I do not like using the word vocation in this way. The religious life (esp the contemplative) is denigrated and misunderstood. Most have no idea what it is nor its importance for the Church and the good of the state.",
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"text": "Joel HF, one does not need to be in an order to be a religious.",
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"text": "I once was talking to John Nieto about this question at his house as we were drinking fine scotch, smoking cigars, having just finished a couple bottles of wine and a nice meal, and he pointed around his house and said, \"You think this is a vocation?!?!\"",
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"text": "#anecdotetime ^",
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"text": "Sure, they used to call diocesan priests \"secular priests\" (and that may still be the proper name for them). But I was thinking of something like Msgr. Knox who vowed to be celibate as a young man--of course, he wasn't Catholic at the time. He wasn't in an order or even a priest, had he lived out his life (and been Catholic) I'd be willing to call that a derivative vocation.",
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"text": "I am lucky to attend mass and receive direction at a monastery. So i see its effects first hand. I became aware most especially of them when reading the life of Sister Mariana.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman--many a Jesuit has lived in nicer digs while enjoying fine scotch and cigars.",
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"text": "I think the scriptures are clear: single life>married life. Vocation does seem to be something different, strictly speaking, since a priest could be married.",
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"text": "What's a vocation then?",
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"text": "Although, it is strange because being a bishop is a vocation.",
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"text": "I also read the lives of the early Jesuits at Marquette. They lived poverty while enjoying the ocassional cigar. The traditional Jesuit was the greatest ascetic . . . . without appearing to be so. . . . St. Anthony Marie Claret's autobiography gives good insight into Jesuit virtue.",
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"text": "In support of Daniel Lendman: http://exlaodicea.wordpress.com/.../theology-of-vocations/\nTheology of vocations\n(Since we had lots on this in the past, might as well keep adding stuff): Some eminently sensible stuff in Hilary...\nEXLAODICEA.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "Daniel, I'm agreement with you about marriage, re: calling it a vocation. And I don't think the regular single life is a vocation. But in my mind the priesthood is, in fact, a vocation in the full sense. What's your reason for saying it is derivative?",
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"text": "I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there is still room for use of the term \"vocation\" as a discernment of duties toward the goal of committing one's life to growing closer to God. Perhaps a lesser meaning than applying the term to priests who are the ones truly committed to religious life, but not in the meaningless way that a secular person might call \"teaching\" a vocation. \"Vocation\" as just \"something I do or how I live\" is what I would call watered down.",
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"text": "I'd also be interested to know people's thoughts about the priesthood and the religious life. They are usually listed as different \"vocations\", yet often (not always, of course) religious are ordained. Is this a strange crossover between states of life?",
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"text": "Joel, THANKS for the link. I think it answers a lot of questions and dispels confusion.",
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"text": "The watered-down vocation of a water-park vacation?",
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"text": "ha^",
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"text": "how about vocational school?",
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"text": "Sean, see Joel's link for what a priestly vocation is. Makes sense of your question i think.",
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"text": "Many vocation centers are in India, but nothing can hide the accent.",
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"text": "sanctification of . . .",
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"text": "I do enjoy the religious/non-religious distinction in diocesan priests vs religious priests. But it would seem that both are proper vocations. As for the \"single vocation\" that is not the colloquial \"confirmed bachelor\"",
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"text": ". . . would that be a second or third class relic?",
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"text": "Daniel, \"Priesthood is not by nature a vocation.\"\nIsn't it the case that no one is made a priest unless chosen by the Church? That, to me, seems to be what is definitive of a vocation: the Church picks you to serve her through a public act (ordination, in the case of priests).",
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"text": "^^ see Joel's link",
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"text": "religious vocation= picked by God\npriestly vocation = picked by Church",
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"text": "Those don't differ.",
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"text": "The way God picks us in this life is through His Church.",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Ummm they do differ because of free will not? . . .",
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"text": "^see link. I just follow the magisterium. They do differ Edward.",
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"text": "So, can you improperly live your life if you have a religious vocation but get married?",
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"text": "Basically the Church can ordain priests .... Baby crying...",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, I don't see what you see in that link: all I see there is a denial that the priestly vocation is an interior call.",
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"text": "I think that once you're married, you can be sure that being married is what God wants you to do (and probably what he always wanted you to do).",
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"text": "So, I just think it's silly to think \"I had a religious vocation but decided to get married\".",
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"text": "^wrong",
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"text": "\"Fr. Lahitton was denounced to the Holy Office for his book, but the Holy Office\u2019s response endorsed his claim: here it is.\n\u2018The book of the eminent man Joseph Canon Lahitton, \u201cLa Vocation Sacerdotale.\u201d is in no way to be reprobated, but rather is is deserving of outstanding praise in the following points: (1) that no one has a right to ordination antecedently to the free choice of him by the bishop; (2) that the condition to whcih the Ordinary should look, and which is called a priestly vocation, by no means consists, at all events necessarily and as a general rule, in some interior aspiration of the subject or in impulses of the Holy Spirit to receive the priesthood; (3) but, on the contrary, nothing more is required in the candidate that he may rightly be invited by the bishop, than a right intention together with a fitness based on those gifts of nature and grace, and confirmed by that goodness of life and sufficiency of learning, that afford a well-founded hope, that he would be able rightly to fulfill the priestly duties and maintain its obligations holily. \u2013 AAS 4 (1912), 485\"",
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"text": "I should note that, even in the religious life, whether one makes final vows is not up to the aspiring religious: in the Dominicans, for example, he must be \"elected\" unanimously by the members of the house.",
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"text": "The link points out that a priestly vocation is derivatively so (God choosing through the Church OR hierarchy choosing by God's permissive will). Religious vocation is properly so called and discerned with guidance.",
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"text": "I don't see any evidence for such a distinction in the link.",
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"text": "And I don't think the decision to become a religious is a matter of one's own choice: rather, one is chosen for the religious life by being allowed to make final vows (or, perhaps, through becoming a consecrated virgin with the permission of the bishop).\nAs far as I can tell, the cases are perfectly analogous.",
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"text": "Edward your above notion on vocation amounts to saying i am called to what i am because that is what i choose.",
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"text": "No, there is no vocation to the married life, because the married life is part of the course of nature. There is a vocation to the priesthood/religious life because Church authorities must choose you to follow those lives.",
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"text": "^That is certainly a danger, Edward Langley.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, that is a tempting position, and one I held for a long time.",
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"text": "My problem, finally, with the position is that it ends up confusing the notion of vocation as traditionally held. And makes a muddle of things that ought to be distinct.",
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"text": "How?",
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"text": "Your absurd statement was that a person could not miss their vocation.",
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"text": "As far as I can tell, the classic notion of vocation is a call by God to holiness/perfection. Such a call is co-extensive with the religious life. \nThe priesthood, is not necessarily co-extensive with a life of perfection.",
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"text": "^But the episcopate is.",
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"text": "\"The priesthood, is not necessarily co-extensive with a life of perfection.\"\nWhat do you mean by that?",
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"text": "For example, a priest can be married.",
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"text": "In the West, typically a priest is compelled to effectively live a life of perfection.",
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"text": "But that is not necessary to his priesthood.",
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"text": "That just means that he isn't called to a certain perfection, though,",
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"text": "Vocation is a call to perfection, simply.",
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"text": "I.e. a perfect living out of the evangelical counsels.",
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"text": "There also was a common practice of people becoming religious after their children could support themselves.",
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"text": "Thus why Aquinas can say that everyone is called to the religious life.",
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"text": "Obviously, (and according to your own statements) not everyone is called to the priesthood.",
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"text": "Edward, that makes my point.",
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"text": "So, you're saying that ordinarily everyone has a vocation?",
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"text": "I guess I'd grant that, insofar as vocation names a call to holiness, but that seems to stand to vocation in the proper sense like \"animal\" common to man and brute stands to \"animal\" proper to brutes.",
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"text": "Edward, not quite. All other states of life that are derivatively called vocation are ordered to the state of perfection as to their end. Marriage, and Priesthood should terminate in a perfect living out of the evangelical counsels, either in this life or the next.",
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"text": "I think using \"vocation\" and \"calling\" indiscriminately as opposed to specific technical language is confusing. The entire above discussing seems to be just nailing down terms.",
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"text": "We can, therefore, speak of a vocation to the religious life in an analogous sense because here we mean, \"Not only am I called to live the state of perfection, but God has given me the grace to enter into the state of perfection, now.",
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"text": "Daniel--in further support of your position, recall St. John Vianney's tears at the thought that he would not be able to perfect himself as a secular priest. I seem to recall that he even attempted to flee his parish to a monastery on a few occasions.",
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"text": "Its all making sense now. #vocationgnosis",
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"text": "I think many of the Church fathers felt similarly to Vianney even about being Bishops--they wanted to be hermits, and had to be forced (by mobs!) to accept the episcopacy.",
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"text": "I don't think that proves anything.",
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"text": "It seems like a call to a particular perfection in this life is co-extensive with the priesthood and similarly with the actual religious life and so both of those lives are vocations in the strict sense.",
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"text": "The fact that certain perfections, such as celibacy or poverty or whatever, don't attach to certain states doesn't make the call to either state any less a call to perfection.",
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"text": "Merely illustrative. The main point is that Catholics tie themselves up in knots unnecessarily. People think they have to \"discern their vocation\" as if they were Samuel and God was going to directly tell them their life's aim in the middle of the night.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY",
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"text": "Edward, you are going backwards",
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"text": "How so? I've conceded that the universal call to holiness is a vocation, but I've always held that it's only such per posterius.",
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"text": "^Which is backwards.",
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"text": "I don't see an argument given that decides the question either way. And, I'm probably not familiar enough with the tradition of the Church.",
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"text": "I suppose one could just look at who is doing the calling? \nOne is called to holiness through Baptism, by God. There is no external call to holiness. \nWith marriage, my wife called me to marriage until death before God. \nIn Priesthood, the Bishop calls a man to service until death before God. \nIn the case of marriage and priesthood certainly one would expect God to be influencing and gracing the decisions. But the decisions and calls are, in the end, human.",
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"text": "^Does this make sense Edward?",
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"text": "\"He who hears you hears me\". I deny that one can distinguish the call of the Church and the call of God.",
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"text": "So, when a Bishop ordains a man to the priesthood, that man is infallibly a good and worthy candidate?",
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"text": "\"So, when a Bishop ordains a man to the priesthood, that man is infallibly a good and worthy candidate?\"\nWell a person being baptized isn't infallibly a \"good and worthy candidate\" either, especially in adult Baptisms.",
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"text": "Or is the decision to ordain, rather, a matter of prudence, hopefully guided by the Holy Spirit..",
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"text": "Ah see. There's the difference.",
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"text": "But the Church leaders CAN make mistakes in whom they elect for priesthood. CF. Pius X 's many warnings.",
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"text": "I spoke of the call of holiness that comes to us through Baptism.",
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"text": "late to comment",
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"text": "Just as the Church can call people improperly to Baptism .",
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"text": "Sure, but that seems to be an extension of the use of the word \"vocation\".",
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"text": "Especially given the contents of Joel's link.",
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"text": "Just as everything is said per prius of God?",
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"text": "Yes, the word \"vocation\" is imposed by us and that from which it is imposed is more particular.",
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"text": "I am starting to think that you don't really hold the position you are representing Edward.",
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"text": "\"Just as everything is said per prius of God?\"\n\"Unde, secundum hoc, dicendum est quod, quantum ad rem significatam per nomen, per prius dicuntur de Deo quam de creaturis, quia a Deo huiusmodi perfectiones in creaturas manant. Sed quantum ad impositionem nominis, per prius a nobis imponuntur creaturis, quas prius cognoscimus. Unde et modum significandi habent qui competit creaturis, ut supra dictum est.\"",
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"text": "According to the imposition of the name \"vocation\" first refers to the religious/priestly life and then, by extension, to the universal call to holiness.\nAccording to the thing signified, the universal call to holiness is first.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Big news everyone!! I have been excommunicated by Pope Peregrine and now join the ranks of those in exile from the rays of his warm, benevolent light.",
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"text": "blocked?",
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"text": "that is what you get for leaving the confines of tNET.",
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"text": "Anyways, back to reading Scotus criticizing Divine Illumination",
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"text": "Danial, I need some terms clarified: are you thinking of \"religious life\" as synonymous with \"contemplative life\"? Also, do you hold that \"being called to the religious life\" refers to those who join holy orders, or, more narrowly, to ordained priests, or are you saying that \"the call to religious life\" and the \"general call to holiness\" are one and the same?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Yeah Lendman, define your terms.",
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"text": "Isak, you're just a jerk who wants to look like the smartest guy in the room, remember?",
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"name": "Sam Rocha",
"text": "defend, I mean, *define* your worms.",
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"text": "holy orders are not religious life.",
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"text": "defunded in Worms?",
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"text": "Worms in weeds.",
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"text": "religious is \"bound (by vows) to live the evangelical counsels.\"",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Perfection consists essentially in charity; the Evangelical counsels are only particularly suitable means.",
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"text": "\"'verum' importat respectum ad exemplar. Igitur intellectus potest cognoscere intentionem entis, licet non cognoscat ipsam veritatem et conformitatem; et per consequens, ipsum quod verum est, potest cognosci antequam cognoscatur veritas.\"\n\"'Truth' implies relation to an exemplar. Therefore, the intellect can know the intention of being, although it does not know its truth and conformity; and, consequently, that which is true can be known before the truth is known.\"",
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"text": "wyrm= 4 legged rational animal with wings that hordes gold.",
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"text": "Vocation has basically three meanings: 1) vocation to the Christian life universal and obligatory; 2) vocation to the Evangelical counsels which is universal but not obligatory (that's why the are called _counsels_; 3) vocation to a particular ecclesiastical office such as bishop of Chicago which is not universal at all, but particular to a particular person who is called.",
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"text": "Dom Dellatte is really good on this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/77620033/Delatte-on-Vocation\nDelatte on Vocation\na section from ch. LVIII of Dom Paul Delatte, O.S.B.'s Commentary on the Rule of Saint Benedict\nSCRIBD.COM",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "^the link linker strikes again ",
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"name": "Annette FitzGerald",
"text": "So 1)=general call to holiness; 2)=devotion to religious life; 3)=a specific ordination?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Is this slowing down yet?",
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"text": "Thanks Pater, since Lendman wouldn't do it....",
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"text": "I'm gonna say yes.",
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"text": "http://humility.slu.edu/blog/do-not-think-for-yourself.html",
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"text": "Do not think for yourself!",
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"text": "Caleb Cohoe's first blog post! Go read it so we can fight about it!",
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"text": "oooooh! More to argue about.",
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"text": "HE'S WRONG",
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"text": "Did you read it yet, John?",
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"text": "What we live for!",
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"text": "I'm annoyed that my link didn't expand.",
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"text": "It's only slowed down because people are reading the stuff we linked.",
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"text": "The terms seem clear so there's not much more to say...",
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"text": "You're so charmingly optimistic, Pater.",
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"text": "Hey, Caleb works with Elenore Stump? Give her my love. (She hated a paper I once did at a conference... or at least my answer to a question on suffering).",
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"text": "Pater-- what conference and what was the substance of your answer on suffering?",
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"text": "I'm reading the linked items because I'm procrastinating about studtying for class .",
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"text": "She's a lovely person though.",
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"text": "Yes, she is lovely. Her husband knew right away where Una's name was from.",
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"text": "We knew her at Notre Dame too, she even remembered me, and corrected me more in sorrow than in anger.",
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"text": "It was a conference on Creation Order organized by the Calvinists in Amsterdam.",
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"text": "Oh, if she really knows who you are, then I will give her your love. That will be fun.",
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"text": "2 dicta: think on whom to trust AND [my correction:] trust no one ",
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"text": "can't read it. the typesetting is off center. OCD won't allow it",
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"text": "But yeah. He's right.",
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"text": "Sigh. The site is run by a grad student.",
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"text": "just scroll your browser over, Michael",
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"text": "tNET's typesetting is off center.",
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"text": "Cant read Father's link. Ok because i achieved #vocationgnosis already",
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"text": "The question was about the violence of evolution. This was the substance of my answer: http://thomism.wordpress.com/.../the-death-wish-in.../...",
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"text": "reading...what did she hate about it?",
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"text": "Scott/Peregrine has raised his head in the TAC Alumni group. Guess what the topic of contention is? https://www.facebook.com/groups/2200569229/10152560847859230/?notif_t=group_comment_reply\nScott Weinberg\u200eThomas Aquinas College Alumni\nIn his Sept. 2014 lecture, Dr. Goyette seems spot on in regards to St. Thomas's view of St. Paul on Faith; however, he seems to present only a very narrow view ...\nSee More\nLecture Audio: \u201cSt. Thomas Aquinas on Faith Seeking Understanding\u201d |...\nTHOMASAQUINAS.EDU",
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"text": "The idea that physical evil might be in anyway necessary: \"Have you ever seen an animal suffering?\"",
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"text": "heresy?",
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"text": "I'm confused. She literally wrote the book on why physical evil is necessary.",
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"text": "And she doesn't address animal suffering.",
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"text": "...I don't think...",
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"text": "OK, maybe not \"in any way,\" but she objected to my defending Chastek's claim that materiality implies a certain necessity to coming to be and passing away. She thought my position Maimonidean. I subsequently modified my position a bit.",
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"text": "I have to go sleep now though, just give her my love and don't remind her of how sad my Marmonidean positions made her.",
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"text": "#TrueVocationGnosis: http://www.scribd.com/doc/77620033/Delatte-on-Vocation\nDelatte on Vocation\na section from ch. LVIII of Dom Paul Delatte, O.S.B.'s Commentary on the Rule of Saint Benedict\nSCRIBD.COM",
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"text": "Good night thread.",
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"text": "bonne nuit\nSee Translation",
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"text": "Samantha, tNET is the center, and Edward, it runs down the center on my screen.",
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"text": "Pater, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPbxIT9W1AY\nMozart, Eine kleine Nachtmusik KV 525 Karl Bohm, Wiener Philharmoniker\nYOUTUBE.COM\nSeptember 24 at 3:34pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nSamantha Cohoe Michael, are you really OCD or are you just trying to annoy me?",
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"text": "But Samantha, how do you know whom to trust?",
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"text": "Dang, now the alumni group is not safe....",
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"text": "can't be trusted",
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"text": "John, that's a good question, of course. Caleb's planning a paper on that as well. But in general, the community with the most expertise on a given subject is the first place to start.",
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"text": "my books at home are in Dewey decimal order. You tell me",
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"text": "...sounds legit",
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"text": "good thing I'm not allowed in the alumni group. but Perescott is..... hmm......",
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"text": "and he blocked me again, although we've had no dealing since he banished tNET into the outer darkness.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "How does one know if one has been blocked?",
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"text": "type a name into the facebook search bar. if it comes up, you're not",
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"text": "I'm not. I feel a little left out.",
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"text": "easy to remedy..... ",
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"text": "I posted to ignore him but people are always sucked into the sophism.",
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"text": "Trust gets tougher once the experts are wrong. . . . you know Plato's cave and all.",
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"text": "Jeff, I kind of miss the sophism, but I can't see him at any rate",
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"text": "Sure, the experts could be wrong, but the question is whether you are in an epistemic position to judge rightly if they are or not.",
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"text": "Chances are, you're not.",
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"text": "I can't see Kenz. Which is weird in the evening version of tnet when the flatlanders all sleep.",
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"text": "i have the #gnosis though",
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"text": "gnosis > episteme",
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"text": "Beitia, his diatribes are long and inviting, if it wasn't on the road to nowhere, you would be tempted to engage a discussion.",
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"text": "Sample of PB in the alumni group: \"So, let me just complete my thoughts here, before I get kicked off. I am a TAC alum. I thank God I was unable to graduate from TAC because I am a mere poet with low IQ. But this question I am asking, and it is a very simple question, and I have asked this question before... it seems this question would have a very simple answer, but no answer has been given. \nIf TAC does not present the full datum of sacred theology in its study of sacred theology, but says it engages its students in sacred theology, this is a bit like a biologist, who only studies onions, saying that biology is the study of onions.\nA perfectly reasonable answer to this question would be to say that TAC certainly recognizes that Dogma, Tradition and Scripture are the datum of the study of sacred theology. And we certainly encourage this study. But we present a mere introduction, for lack of time, and we encourage our students to study it all further; but in the time we have, we have decided to present the model of St. Thomas Aquinas; for he is indeed a model. He is the angelic doctor. \nBut this response, however reasonable and adequate, is not the response TAC seems to give to this question. Instead, TAC seems to give a quite different response. It presents this limited model as a representation of the whole, and presents it as the best and exemplar of sacred theology and approach to the Catholic Faith. As a result, many of its students, especially more recently, seem highly confused about what the Catholic Faith is. They view it as something that begins and ends according to the form of the TAC curriculum, with reason, leading up to the study of Saint Thomas. But this approach is not the beginning of Faith, nor is it what Faith is. On the contrary, the beginning of Faith is assent to grace and revelation. \"Assent\" is more than an act of the will over the intellect. It is not the will over-riding the intellect (some TAC alum have described this approach as \"having doctrine crammed down one's throat\"). Assent is a reasonable act of the will, an act of love, to the principles of Faith: Revelation, Dogma, Tradition.\nBut TAC does not view it like this, it seems. Instead it teaches that \"faith seeking understanding\" is an act of acquiring the liberal arts so we can examine the datum of theology in a syllogism. In addition to this approach, which is contrary to how the Catholic world views \"faith seeking understanding\" -- reasonable assent -- TAC also teaches in its Charter that the entirety of Western Academia is a tyranny of freedom.\nNo wonder TAC graduates find it difficult to obtain tenure.\nSamuel A Schmitt, the Church's infallible interpretation of Scripture is the stuff of sacred theology. So, Dogma is necessary for sacred theology. You can present Dogma in a catechetical way; or you can present Dogma in a theological way. My question is, how many Dogmas does TAC present in a theological way?\"",
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"text": "^^ Dangers of thinking for yourself and the need for trusting the right authority.",
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"text": "I think the blog post could be used as a excellent justification for cults.",
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"text": "^^ouch!\nSee Translation",
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"text": "I sense that The Thread has slowed down considerably, as though even It cannot attain Perpetual Motion.",
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"text": "Michael-- have you overcome your OCD enough to actually read the post?",
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"text": "I came home from \"work\" and moved my chair in front of the computer to the right....",
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"text": "so, short answer, yes",
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"text": "Ok. I can see cults misappropriating the arguments to support conformity, but since they don't have actual claims to epistemic authority, the arguments don't actually apply to them",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, I noticed, above, that you associated having a state in life with making a vow. This is wrong.\nFor public vows are taken by those married, and those who enter what were formerly called religious orders, as opposed to congregations. Sisters, brothers and secular priests do not take vows (though, since the 1917 CIC, distinguished congregation from orders purely on whether vows were taken, rather than the older, and you can never leave them principle, many congregations petitioned to take vows.)\nBy your reasoning, most priests and bishops aren't in a \"state of life\" since they do not take vows.",
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"text": "secondly, though this isn't fatal, no one chooses into what sort of family/social group they are born. I assume most children growing up trust their social group. So I suppose this seems like reducing belief to an accident of location. \nBut then again, if I trust my family, my political acquaintances, and the Fuhrer, what could possibly go wrong?",
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"text": "Oh, and it seems readily apparent that vocation implies a call to something, not already given in nature, but as it were above, or even at the expense of nature. Celibacy e.g. The religious life or the priesthood (and the vocation to the priesthood within the religious life is fundamentally different than the secular priesthood)..\nI might very loosely call my occupation my vocation, as something superadditive to the general inclination of nature. But a vocation does imply a state of life, a call to be this sort of person, not merely to do this thing. And it would be most proper to restrict the term to the order of grace, even if, in His providence, I can speak of Him calling me to say teach.\nMarriage would not itself be a vocation. It is wrong to too distinguish sacramental from natural marriages. Any valid marriage between two Christians is also sacramental. Whence, would we speak of two Hindus having a marital vocation? How about a Catholic who marries a Hindu, that is not a sacrament, but it is a real marriage...but if he becomes baptised, does it suddenly become a vocation?\nSo either we call marriage a vocation and use vocation for any call, even not connected with grace, or we restrict it to the sacrament, and have weird things like being married and that not being a vocation and then it becoming a vocation.\nBut there is this, in sacramental marriage, there is a further end, of raising children for the kingdom of God, and I suppose one can have a special inclination to that, and that would be in the order of grace. But it wouldn't be qua marriage, but qua sacramental marriage. So I guess I agree with Lendman other than his point about vows....",
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"text": "making dinner. be back later.",
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"text": "Solo fide.",
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"text": "epistemic authority is sounding creepier and creepier. How do I get on that commitee? Any weird rituals involved?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Samantha is Una's name from the story of the Red Cross Knight?!?!",
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"text": "#faeriequeengnosis",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "By the way - doesn't blocking usually work the other way around? The troll gets people to block him, the troll does not block.",
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"text": "Michael-- Caleb isn't advocating blind faith in whoever you happen to grow up with. Merely growing up under a certain authority doesn't actually give you reason to have trust in it. Quite the reverse can be true. A bad authority will give you lots of reasons for distrust over time. This was certainly the case for me.",
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"text": "well years from now being initial partipants of tNET will be CV brownie points. Future thesis topics: \"whether one can retrieve the beginnings of tNET\", \"of the mythical troll named Pereventure\"; \"archeological discoveries on new possible origins of tNET\"",
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"text": "stories to tell the grandkids. Hey.",
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"text": "Alan Fimister's critique of Garrigou-Lagrange reminds me of Matthew J. Peterson's critique of Thomistotle: \u00abGarrigou does not distinguish enough between the principles that he takes from St. Thomas, and his own conclusions that he draws from those principles, but which Fimister thinks St Thomas himself would not draw.\u00bb http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../garrigou-lagrange.../",
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"text": "John you just made me split my sides laughing - \"A Holistic Analysis of Dogma and Recursive Conversation in the Context of the Legendary Never Ending Thread\"",
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"text": "What about the vaccination example?",
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"text": "Caleb Cohoe, that's probably low re Jeter, since lots of defensive shortstops don't play because they can't hit. But yes, a \"bad\" player in the mlb is still top quality if you expand the population he is compared to.",
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"text": "but it is definitely the more qualified version, when you're talking about great philosophers' writings. \nSomeone has to determine greatness, and the arguments still need to be thought through",
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"text": "well, I'll remove my unliking your blog post with these relevant qualifications. (I'm sure you were worried about that)\nBut someone needs to fix the layout! Off center is awful",
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"text": "Well, it's been fun, but I have to go to Indiana now",
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"text": "Off to a conference at Purdue in honour of Richard Swinburne, a prominent philosopher of religion",
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"text": "Godspeed. Hoosiers can be vicious....",
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"text": "The problem with TAC is that everyone scatters across the country immediately after graduation. This is also just a problem with the instability (moving locations) of modern American life generally. It is particularly acute for TACers, I would think. How is one to develop Aristotelian friendships these days?",
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"text": "Joel but that was the raison d etre of the tNET smokers lounge",
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"text": "He's Canadian though, so not ALL trollish qualities are lacking.",
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"text": "Thus further demonstrating that I am NOT the least trollish.",
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"text": "I would argue that Scottegrine is just an exceedingly perfect example, and not the actual form",
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"text": "Thus Canadianness is not necessarily an inherently trollish attribute",
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"text": "Canadianness is the matter, not the form.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Caleb is barely a Canadian anymore anyway",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "For, it is written: \"What makes a troll, Mr. Lebowski? Isn't it saying what is most provoking no matter the cost?\nWell, sure, that and being Canadian.\"",
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"text": "#trollgnosis",
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"text": "^troll",
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"name": "Oleg Kostoglotov",
"text": "No just superior, I can see that you are confused, Should I type in all caps to make it easier to understand?",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Universally, trolls are from northern climes: hence trolls originate in Finland and in the new world, in Canada. Doesn't Thomas talk about this in \"De Regno\"?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "OLEG was born, named and fated to such. What star were you born under?",
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"name": "Oleg Kostoglotov",
"text": "Northern lights burned at my arrival and all the stars flashed their secret morse round my ancestral bridge to welcome this troll to the world.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Canadians are probably the least troll-like people on this earth.",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "In fact, we're famous (infamous?) for just wanting to get along.",
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"text": "Peregrind Grendal excepted ^^^^^",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Is he Canadian?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "\"sorry\"",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "If so, as official Canadian ambassador to TNET, I revoke his Canadian/TNET dual citizenship.",
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"polarity": 128,
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"text": "I believe he renounced his tNET citizenship quite a while ago",
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"polarity": 191,
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "in the most vehement of terms",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "How many people has that cretin blocked?",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "Not me. Yet.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "haha. I was only blocked by the Peregrinne incarnation of the troll.",
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"text": "But that's because I not once had the patience to engage him.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I'm all alone and sad.",
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"text": "His attack on professor Bond is pissing me off. I'm going to have to quote some of his inananities. Bond is probably least troll like member of tNET btw.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Which Bond?",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "I still have 4 \"mutual friends\" with the Scottegrine.",
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"text": "This Bond: https://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.bond.9421/posts/699410823468167\nJeffrey Bond\nIn the opening pages of Plato's Laws, where an Athenian Stranger is conversing about politics with a Cretan and a Spartan, we find something truly remarkable: ...\nSee More",
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"text": "Seems like pretty mild exercise of his troll-powers so far.",
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"text": "Not enough people were taking his bait on the tac alumni page.",
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"text": "Peregrendal instructing the ignorant Bond on all things political: \" Jeffrey Bond, Do you have a degree in political science? Hobbes held to the idea that man desires peace by his internal nature, and that this desire was one of the strongest proclivities of man's nature, but that government is a device required and contracted to secure this peace. This is not too far off from Aristotle, who positied that the state wages war to secure peace, for peace is equated with justice and negotiated through the common good, which is the rational principle of governance, at all levels of human interaction: family, city, state. A close look shows these political thinkers were all men, and alike in many respects.\"",
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"text": "Peremagistrate pontifex maximus coming out: \"I will grant that Hobbes was prone to rhetorical hyperbole, even in his representations of the authors of antiquity; but the tragedy in America today is not religious freedom, but the inability of the Studied Catholic Elite to discuss essential truths such as the Immaculate Conception or the necessity of revelation for moral veracity. Democracy in America is open to Catholic rule. Catholics are simply not open to American democracy.\"",
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"text": "^^^ The danger of course is that Peregrine is starting again down that path that leads to burning heretics. He's kind of like incredible hulk that way. One minute he is singing odes about medieval beasts; the next he transforms into a raging insatiable green monster.",
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"text": "IRNONIC too that the Cretan could follow the reasoning of the Athenian stranger, but Peregrind cannot follow Dr. Bond. Cretan > Pregrendal",
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"text": "A list of PereGrendalisms: \"A close look shows these political thinkers were all men [brilliant, genius!! Peregrendal realized after close analysis they were men], and alike in many respects.\" Yes, they were all men upon *close* analysis, not trolls. But Hobbes = Aristotle, com'n man.\n\"the inability of the Studied Catholic Elite to discuss essential truths such as the Immaculate Conception or the necessity of revelation for moral veracity.\" Still stinging from tNET two weeks ago.\n\"Democracy in America is open to Catholic rule. Catholics are simply not open to American democracy\" == NOT Madison nor de Tocqueville really (though he did think America was going to become Catholic. But I have fundamental differences with the de Tocq. That would be a long argument to show where he got Catholicism wrong.) AND WHAT American Catholics is he talking about?? good grief!!!!",
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"text": "Here's a link to a previous discussion on Matthew's page (and it actually goes back to July 25 'round when Bond first entered the FB and in the pre-tNET era of FB). All great stuff.\nhttps://www.facebook.com/matthewjpeterson/posts/10152669232891508\nMatthew J. Peterson\nI love the smell of Federalist 10 in the morning...",
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"text": "He blocked me, I cannot fire across his bow. This saddens me",
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"text": "I miss the way you handled the troll: Beitia = troll whisperer.",
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"text": "The essence of the PereGrendal for emphasis: \n\"the inability of the Studied Catholic Elite to discuss essential truths\"",
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"text": "It's sad that we apparently miss our troll so much that we're cross-posting lesser examples of his trolling from another thread.",
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"text": "If the PereGrendal is blocked by all TACers, will he cease to exist?",
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"text": "My link to Peterson above is a great discussion. I don't think the troll appeared on it.",
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"text": "The July 25 discussion in which Bond defeats Madison, but Matthew Peterson refuses to submit \nhttps://www.facebook.com/matthewjpeterson/posts/10152543773981508\nMatthew J. Peterson\nA sure sign of a corrupt era: lots of Senators in the mix for the Presidency. The reason only 16 have been elected President thus far?\nBy virtue of their office...\nSee More",
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"text": "^^^ that's the only reason I'm on tNET. A couple of Bond vs. Peterson duels",
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"text": "I am only the troll-whisperer because like knows like ",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, great link on vocation. However, I don't think anything you or Joshua Kenz say refutes Daniel Lendman. You are disagreeing over minutia perhaps.",
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"text": "Calling back the troll is the equivalent of Madison multiplying faction. It may increase unity, but at what price?",
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"text": "^At what price, indeed.",
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"text": "I wasn't calling him back, I was trying to read Dr. Bond's status. If you can't see Scott, it's like listening to someone else talk on the telephone",
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"text": "I consider myself a veteran a troll warfare; but never has anyone seen the likes of the Perescott troll.",
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"text": "that there are factions? That Aristotle (at least) recognizes that the main disjoint is between the rich and the poor? That Madison recognized this? I don't get it.",
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"text": "I have followed every of their debates for two months, and it seems to me that Matthew is not understanding Bond.",
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"text": "I have a million personal reasons to disagree with Peterson, for a while I made it a specific goal of mine. But in this case I just don't see it",
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"text": "Speaking of factions, I think I must recall all you, my brethren, back to orthodoxy. You should abandon this heterodox from \"tNET\" and return to true orthodoxy: TNET.",
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"text": "so am I the tNET herisiarch?",
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"text": "^^^^ I think you fail to see Bond's argument, Beitia. I recommend the July 25th discussion.",
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"text": "I do fail to see Bond's argument, because I see Peterson's",
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"text": "Bond has been consistantly arguing the same thing. Go back. Even if Bond is wrong, his argument is COMPREHENSIBLE. So, that you don't grasp Bond is a failing. And there is another lesser thread as well.",
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"text": "I haven't read the whole thing, but Jeffrey Bond's point makes sense to me--at least the one regarding the Laws--whereas I'm still quite unclear on what Matthew J. Peterson actually thinks here. He keeps talking about practical stuff. Get your head back in the clouds, Peterson!",
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"text": "That said, the more I read there discussion, the better I do see where Peterson is coming from.",
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"text": "BUT Matthew Peterson is by far the majority opinion. Bond is a minority but very important opinion. INDEED I think he is right.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia--what is it that Matthew J. Peterson says that you agree with?",
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"text": "I find Peterson's argument compelling.\nAnd maybe it's my American upbringing, or further back, my Basque cultural identity, but anything remotely smacking of monarchy makes me vomit",
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"text": "The argument isn't directly about monarchy though, is it? It is whether faction should be an ordering principle of any state.",
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"text": "Was Plato a monarchist?",
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"text": "Is faction the ordering principle of our state? My point is that no one thought so at the time. My argument isn't very practical.",
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"text": "So, I just learned that Tocqueville never refers to Fed. 10, despite refering to scores of other issues of the Federalist. What?!? Is this true?",
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"text": "FACTION ISN'T GOOD. BY DEFINITION IT IS BAD. But political life in free-ish countries consists in large part in arguing about who is and isn't a faction. \nMadison has faith that we have enough virtue in a large, extended government plus we will have more virtuous rulers in a large, extended government, PLUS all the little factions will help kill and reveal a developing majority faction for what it is and thereby kill it or prevent it from acting on its evil desires.\nFor crying out loud. What I am fighting against is a 1950s anger at where things ended up read back into the founding.",
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"text": "A last salvo and then I have go back to teaching this stuff for a living.\nTocqueville doesn't mention it explicitly, but he does talk about the principle a bit, I think.\nFederalist 9 and 10 are simply arguments defending the Constitution as a LARGE republic directly against the anti-Federalist Brutus in his first Brutus #1 arguing that a SMALL REPUBLIC is better because in a large republic the public good is sacrificed to a 1000 views and in large republic you have to deal with more ambitious men of large fortunes - among other things.\nFirst, Hamilton shoots Brutus down re his use of Montesquieu in Federalist 9. Hamilton points out that what Montesquieu (and we might add, Aristotle) are talking about is already smaller than the states. So should we split up into a million polises [sic]? Surely creating leagues adn federations of smaller republics into larger bodies isn't some kind of unknown, and even Montesquieu talks about such a thing as potentially advantageous. (As I have pointed out to you, Madison in fact studied ancient examples of larger popular governments made up of smaller popular ones for months leading into the convention.)\nAnyhow, then Madison (who gets excited in a letter to Hamilton about Brutus's arguments against them - finally a serious Anti-federalist worth opposing!) jumps in with Fed 10 - which is based on some thoughts he's been working out since before the Constitutional convention - trying to figure out all the ways we can counter the central flaw of the rule of the many - majority tyranny. In other words, not only does Madison think that the large republic can be defended, but he's been thinking about it as a solution to the problem of increasingly radical and unstable democracies in the states.\nFed 10 is mentioned in Jefferson's second inaugural, I think, but it doesn't become a big deal until a vaguely modern materialist/marxist Beard in the early part of the 20th century tries to give a since disproven economic take on the founding in which the Constitution was all about the rich ruling over the poor - Beard seizes on fed 10 as proof of this amoral calculation/capitalist machine. \nThis leads to some great booksy types (mostly Straussians) in the 1950s reading fed 10 a bit more broadly as MODERNISM simply. They read Fed 10 and Fed 51 and it is all very simple - they read our modern thought and problems directly into those two papers ripped out of contexts as the evil seeds of our present discontent. This is the school from which Bond ingested his arguments.\nBut Joel HF, if you want to understand Fed 10 you need to read these documents I link to (the precursors to it) and consider it in context of Madison's developing thought on the matter:\nhttps://www.facebook.com/notes/matthew-j-peterson/jim-madison-and-the-desideratum-of-human-governance/10150222335550931\nMatthew J. Peterson\nJim Madison and the Desideratum of Human Governance\nSince we've been talking about sovereignty here:\nJim Madison, Ratification, and the \"Right of Secession\" I\nhttps://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150204601425931\nand here:\n...\nContinue Reading",
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"text": "I look forward to reading that. Thanks Peterson.",
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"text": "the important part is just the snippets from those three precursors to Fed 10 by madison - not my gloss",
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"text": "\"The whole point is to stop majority faction.\" But the means to stopping it is a sort of balance of faction system, analogous to the balance of power system that perfidious Albion and her progeny have been promoting since time immemorial. The point of Jeffrey Bond's quote from the Laws is that the way to overcome strife is not through balance of power, but through virtue\u2014i.e. through subordinating everything to one principle. (Don't forget to use a bucket Michael Beitia).",
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"text": "To me, Pater Edmund, this sounds like saying something like this:\nVirtue is what should stop vice. So as parish priest, I can't tell anyone at the village bar to tell me or his wife or otherwise prevent the village alcoholic from entering or in any way try to dissuade him to leave. Even avoiding the occasion of sin is no way to try to prevent sin, for it does not rely on virtue.\nAlso, any sort of accountability software on the internet that would reveal to multiple people what any one person is looking at is off limits. For it doesn't rely on virtue.",
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"text": "^How does that follow?",
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"text": "The entire Constitution is trying to wrest power over commerce away from the states and give it to more virtuous leaders in a less democratic system. Madison depends upon more virtuous and better leaders and representatives who will be protected from popular whims and will by the structure of the Constitution, and who will be elected in such a way and live and breathe in a structure that will look after the good of the whole - the Union - of all the states combined rather than the partial interests of one.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, and Jeffrey's argument on July 25, is that in attempting to prevent majority faction, Madison created a super-majority faction that necessarily becomes intolerant of those who adhere to and publicly proclaim the truth.",
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"text": "Also, he mentions in a few places that the fact that the republic will be LARGER means that it will have more factions within it, and this will make it harder for any one faction to become a majority faction, since it will be opposed and outed to the majority of people by other factions and other non-factions.",
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"text": "MADISON DOES CREATE A NEW SUPERMAJORITY FACTION. QED below: \nhttps://www.facebook.com/matthewjpeterson/posts/10152543773981508\nMatthew J. Peterson\nA sure sign of a corrupt era: lots of Senators in the mix for the Presidency. The reason only 16 have been elected President thus far?\nBy virtue of their office...\nSee More",
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"text": "Subordinating everything to one principle in practice means that no one has any recourse if that principle turns out to be corrupt",
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"text": "But Fed 10 on its own isn't quite correct. Madison wanted to give similar interests, opinions, and passions via education and of course all kinds of freedoms were restricted then if people thought they were too factional. Government can and does today and especially then sought to go after the causes of faction within us.\nThe point in 10 is simply that government cannot ultimately eradicate faction within us - it can't make us perfect - it must deal with us as we are. Like any sort of moral advice. So one of the auxiliary precautions and helps Madison's sees to help keep majority rule on the right path is that in a larger republic it will be harder for a majority faction to form and if it does form (which is inevitable, according to him and myself) it will have a harder time acting on its evil desire.\nAS OPPOSED TO A SMALL REPUBLIC/PURE DEMOCRACY, in which majority faction will run amuck and no one can stop it very easily.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson--you are the one who was challenging FB to provide a law (that wasn't of the Pol Pot variety) that either educated or lead people to virtue, aren't you?",
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"text": "So what principle would you propose?",
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"text": "The bell rings so I'll just leave the Thread with a nice link: http://the-josias.blogspot.co.at/.../the-american... #LinkGnosis\nThe Josias: The American Founders and the Aristotelian Tradition \u2013 Part 6:...\nTHE-JOSIAS.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "Joel HF: yes - I have this crazy tic in which I like to hear examples to help understand airy fairy talk, especially when it comes in the form of a critique of things that actually exist. I love how this question is often mocked - well, this PRACTICAL stuff has no bearing on my principles...",
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"text": "I wasn't mocking (here at least!). But you were giving examples of Law leading to the common good (which I think were right), and I was wondering if I was crazy or if you had questioned that.",
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"text": "\"snippets\". But Jeffrey puts together a coherent argument that has yet to be refuted IMO.",
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"text": "call me pragmatic (no, don't really) but shouldn't a lot of \"oughts\" be purged from a rational discourse on politics?",
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"text": "No, no, Joel HF: I was simply asking for examples. I think that this airy fairy talk in our circles fails to understand that even for Aristotle, law doesn't lead to virtue in a direct way. In fact, the law, if we are to believe the gospels, CONDEMNS but FAILS to ultimately make us virtuous. \nBut even for Aristotle, for instance, the law ought to indirectly try to make the people themselves friends. That is, the bond of unity and virtue will come from people doing things, not from laws. The laws do not directly CAUSE virtue. They work indirectly.\nOf course, there is probably no greater example of an attempt to create explicitly Christian popular government than the puritans in early America. As Tocqueville points out, they had what almost anyone would describe as draconian laws yet they were democracies, through and through.",
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"text": "\"The confusion lies in our desire to conflate real problems and philosophies we see among us today a bit too quickly with snippets of texts we find from the past.\" -------- an unfair rendering of Jeffrey's argument.",
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"text": "isn't a lot of critique of the American founding utopian in nature?",
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"text": "I think that laws can and should be ordered to the common good, but I think people get sloppy about how this can and ought to happen as well as a bit high and mighty about what the common good consists in for a political body.\nI also think that Bond seizes on texts in which Madison does flirt with the kind of thing Bond calls out on occasion, but that in overall context (or even in those texts themselves) it simply isn't true to say that Madison or the rest created a regime based on faction or didn't think there was an objective good. \nThat doesn't mean what they created was perfect, or obviate other objections.",
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"text": "And Bond also nowhere has argified for anything practical. He is trying to point out what he sees as the logical effect of a principle Madison \"seems\" to espouse. (And I see the same things that Bond sees.)",
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"text": "I am a dystopian, \"vale of tears\" kinda guy. (Hard to argue against that, viz. that I'm a cynic.) Beitia.",
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"text": "Oh ye of little faith! This is the cthulhu thread! It is the Facebook worm which dieth not!",
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"text": "Our host ditched us long ago. Trolling him on other threads just seems sad. But if I don't cynically mock his heartwarming enthusiasm for teaching, the founders, and America, who will?",
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"text": "Hypothetical question, tNET-- if you were donating a bunch of money to TAC, would you donate it with specification as to how the money should be spent, or not?",
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"text": "Isak Benedict-- Imagine somebody was giving you a whole lot of money specifically for the purpose of giving it to a non-profit institution. Unfortunately, you cannot keep any of this money for yourself.",
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"text": "and the name of the *forgets the name* fund is?",
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"text": "Jeffrey, the youth say \"boss\" again. I know because I have a sister who is a youth.",
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"text": "embezlment schemes, the American dream, the city of commerce enters the thread again. ",
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"text": "Are you against legal and legit charity?",
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"text": "Did I say that your beneficence with Joel was unAmerican?",
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"text": "Mr. Joshua Kenz that would depend on whether the interest accruing on the debt is greater than the interest that would be accrued in the endowment fund",
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"text": "And what happened to the Mrs? I found it charmingly pedantic.",
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"text": "I would donate with strict stipulations.\nI would establish a missionary/charity work program in the first two summers. Mandatory. You'd have choices and earn work study money by doing menial and visceral charity work. My parents thought of this years ago, and many have suggested it over time.\nThe last summer and the summer after graduation I would fund pre-professional programs of all kinds, also mandatory, that put students in top notch orgs and biznesses or educational institutes, etc. and let them be learning the landscape and what they do or don't want to do.",
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"text": "And probably, as a friend suggested, a program to bring in a certain percentage of non-traditional tutors who have not been just been in academia their whole lives, as well as higher and clearer standards and procedure re hiring tutors in general.\nThis would include significantly upping tutor salaries, by the way.\nI would also make pedagogical practice and instruction a more formal part of tutor development.",
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"text": "^strings are always attached. Strings are unattached to penury. cf Xenophon's Oikonomia for how Socrates escaped.",
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"text": "But frankly, I would probably wait and see how things develop in the next decade before giving them anything.",
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"text": "Feil McArthur gave a talk at one of the alumni dinners a few years back where he seemed to be saying that he thought the College should be employing a different approach to admissions, given the limited number of spaces, the importance of the College's mission to teach a particular school of thought, and the unfortunate tendency of nice Catholic youth to stumble in looking for nothing more than a nice Catholic environment. Jonathan Monnereau, do you still have the text of that talk?",
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"text": "On the contrary, Katherine Gardner, \"iron sharpens iron,\" as the good book says.\nA more competitive edge to the place would have helped me, at any rate.",
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"text": "Feil Katherine Gardner: They don't all have to be geniuses. I just think that considering the applicant pool as a whole would be beneficial.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: you are in Madison's place in 1786. What do you propose?",
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"text": "Are you saying that the Catholic Church can only succeed with the support of the state??",
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"text": "Argh! Was on my phone and missed your answer, Jeffrey Bond. Have you read Thomas Pink's articles on religious liberty and VII? I think they are quite interesting, myself.",
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"text": "Locke gets the \"credit\" for the victory of Enlightenment principles. Madison is merely a popularizer of Locke's principles, especially the doctrine of toleration.",
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"text": "Thomas Pink on religious liberty and VII: http://www.firstthings.com/.../08/conscience-and-coercion\nVatican II\u2019s teaching on religious freedom changed policy, not doctrine\nIn the nineteenth century, in encyclicals from Gregory...\nFIRSTTHINGS.COM",
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"text": "Samantha, the Church can and will succeed with or without the state. But the state by nature is subordinate and can do great damage to souls when it elevates itself above the true Church.",
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"text": "Well, this is a big vague for me. Do you not approve of religious liberty?",
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"text": "the American sense meaning that we do not establish an official state church?",
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"text": "Christianity began and flourished without the help of the state. Jesus was pretty clear in fact that the realms were different.",
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"text": "The realms are different, but complementary. Read St. Thomas' On Kingship.",
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"text": "The option may not have existed, Matthew, but that was because of the success of Locke. Madison does not have a problem with that success.",
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"text": "Also, Samantha, in many ways the early church's relationship to the State may be the best for holiness, but that's only because martyrdom is a direct route to heaven.",
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"text": "which may, at this point, be the true purpose",
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"text": "Where did Jesus say that the state does not have to acknowledge God's authority? Are you thinking of the rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's bit?",
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"text": "Yes, that, and I also think it is relevant that Jesus's kingdom is not of this world. It doesn't depend on the authorities of this world to achieve its aims.",
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"text": "(right, father and son, right? Am I remembering that correctly?)",
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"text": "Jesus doesn't need us or the state. But given our political nature, His love for us involves the conversion of nations, not just individuals.",
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"text": "assuming that love of God flourishes best when governments enforce a way of worshipping him",
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"text": "I would have to ask a Biblical scholar, but I very much suspect you are not using \"nations\" correctly, there",
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"text": "But Samantha that should not distract you from the sheer quality and dazzling brilliance of our arguments.",
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"text": "When, in history, has the state not used some kind of force to establish religion when the state had an official church?",
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"text": "I'm drawing a blank on the Telemachus reference, btw. Care to impart #gnosis to me?",
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"text": "Oh, oh, oh, right.",
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"text": "Anyway, Madison and the guys who were concerned about establishing a state church had a seriously legit reason to be concerned.",
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"text": "In fact, why not go for it-- We haven't persecuted you at all ever!",
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"text": "Joel HF, that's because you are a snob and only remember the people you liked, and probably also the people you really hated",
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"text": "Sorry, \"perfected in theory\" sounds completely meaningless to me if it's never been practiced.",
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"text": "So, the persecution is brutal because it's not brutal?",
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"text": "Somebody help me out here, Matthew J. Peterson maybe?",
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"text": "Yes. There is clarity when one knows who the enemy is. When meaningful distinctions are blurred, there is a loss of intelligibility that is utterly destructive of human life.",
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"text": "Sounds like the persecution isn't brutal because it isn't persecution",
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"text": "communism sounded pretty perfect in theory, right? But then, so many famines!",
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"text": "I was also somewhat bored by political philosophy at the time. But there were more Burkes than Thomases, iirc.",
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"text": "You're completely eviscerating the definition of persecution",
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"text": "Communism did *not* sound perfect in theory. It sounded deadly deadly dull at best.",
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"text": "No, I am speaking of real persecution. Just as Mother Teresa was speaking of real poverty when she looked at the modern West.",
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"text": "I don't know what you're talking about.",
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"text": "(Because I still haven't forgiven Das Kapital for boring my socks off.)",
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"text": "Spiritual poverty. Spiritual persecution.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Peterson, the lone long suffering Americanist. Epic. Can we get an epithet from that?",
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"text": "Are you saying it's persecution when people go around not believing in the Church and being relativists?",
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"text": "I don't even know where to start. I try to give much more than I can time wise.\nThe high Middle Ages failed. Centuries of fighting for power against the impressive state led to covering state power. This led to the abominable corruption of the Church, replete with wicked Popes, and this led to the reformation and the \"enlightenment\".\nBlaming Madison for the fact that America was populated by Protestants who understandably said \"let's call this off as far as the federal government goes because we don't want bloodshed\" strikes me as illogical, ungrateful, and outright absurd.",
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"text": "I am saying it is persecution when the state systematically denatures men's souls. It is not just religious truth that is stripped away, but also the capacity to reason about nature.",
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"text": "\"systematically denatures men's souls\"-- you are going to have to say what you mean by that.",
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"text": "Yeah! What Matthew J. Peterson said!",
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"text": "Whatever the path and cause, all believers* in Christ are persecuted, albeit subtly and perhaps mildly, in America today.\n*by which I mean Catholics and protestants whose beliefs are in line with historical protestant beliefs.",
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"text": "I can explain over and over again: faced with radical democratic majorities in the states dictating what was right and wrong and committing acts of injustice, Madison and friends see the need for an overarching government over the states.\nYou want to blame the existence of that government for moral relativism when Madison was expressly trying to prevent majoritarianism in respect to justice. Mitigating democracy with elements of aristocracy.",
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"text": "I like the rotten TAC topic more... ",
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"text": "Man this thing moves fast. Just one more whack at this and then you all can return to whatever you were doing. I don't know whether it really is the case that most of the students applying and being accepted are alumni kids. There certainly seem to be a lot of them, but I also think the school's reputation has spread a lot since I applied. I was the first person in my family to hear of the school. Those who just don't apply in time can always wait a year. I did that myself- I worked for a year after deciding to come and hearing the class was full, and waited. Another point... I think it would be very hard to maintain the actual balance we have in classes if we tried to do it deliberately with all the applications in front of us at once. What are you going to do, look at a strong applicant with good grades and a weaker applicant who still is capable and say, we need a dumb one- so that's an arbitrary no to the smart one. She will never know why we said know, and she will have the same toss-up to face next year, but we need someone dumber. I can't see it happening that way. Also, I can't imagine anything worse than a room with 17 big talkers. It would not work. It's not the Thread.... class doesn't go on forever, there isn't a mechanism that makes everyone's comments show up separated and readable. You NEED the quiet ones to allow a conversation to even happen with that many people. And then you need the confused ones to get the others to explain things again and again, making it clearer every time to everyone and exposing holes in the accounts proposed.",
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"text": "Smart and talkative aren't convertible. Look at me, I wouldn't shut up. I'd say the classmates whose opinions I valued most ranged from quiet to talkative.",
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"text": "Accepting the best students isn't going to mean that all the students are talkers, though. A lot of good, conscientious students don't talk very much, but they do the reading carefully and they contribute.",
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"text": "jinx, Joel HF",
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"text": "That's a good point. But how much they will talk is hard to tell on paper.",
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"text": "And no one here is knowledgeable or capable of dealing with the historical facts on the ground. Facts don't matter here.\nThanks to Madison you and the schools you've taught at exist. You want to blame the Constitution for the problems of the Church in America? This is why we fail.\nThey allow for deliberation. Imagine a Roman martyr listening to this?!? Hah. \"Yes, yes, you have it so hard. Yes, it's the Constitution's fault that the largest cradle to PhD Catholic education system on watch ever has corrupted itself. Yes. Tell me more about how you don't have the liberty and resources you need?!\"",
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"text": "Well, that's true, but it is easier to tell how well they would do the readings, how able they would be to do a prop, etc",
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"text": "St. Paul: \"I was going to preach here but I see all the gods and too many factions...hold on - I need to go get the government on my side first.\"",
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"text": "The existence of us, and the schools we teach at, and the schools at which we were educated, is only a good per accidens, dude",
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"text": "But won't that just get you the smart ones? And then you have a deficit of less bright, which can actually be an asset.",
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"text": "This entire smart and not smart concept seems pretty two dimensional to me.\nI teach and have been around the top 2-3% of students in the nation and some talk and some don't and they are all very different.",
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"text": "Yeah I know it's the worst wording... I can't think and type fast enough to be nuanced on this thing.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson someday I would like to meet you and shake your hand, sir.",
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"text": "Sean Collins once told me that he didn't say a word, a single word, in class until his Junior year.",
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"text": "I mean there is a range of ability, personality, style of contribution... and this variety is good for everyone, and it happens naturally with rolling admissions, and it would be hard to deliberately reproduce.",
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"text": "I was thinking about TAC for my kids. But you people are scaring me.",
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"text": "Also, I should say that my application was the all over the map application of an unschooled weirdo, so I should probably be glad of some leniency in the admissions process",
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"text": "The less bright as an assert to the bright has always sounded strange to me - get the general point. I mean, in a way I really want to agree. But the thing is that any group will have differences and it just seems strange to say that those with less capability help in this way.\nIf smart students skip and move to fast, they're not really being very smart, are they?!?",
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"text": "'smart' and 'bright' and 'quiet' are just place holders for the real differences because I can;t name them easily",
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"text": "And Joel HF: do you think I'm an Americanist?!?",
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"text": "I'm saying, there are a lot of students at TAC who aren't really contributing to the program, mostly by not engaging with the readings or in seminar. Abolishing rolling admission could help with that problem",
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"text": "That's all I mean... if you think rolling admissions is bad because it keeps out the people you would judge on paper to be 'smarter' or something equally discernable from, well, applications, my guess is that statistically you will probably omit people whose abilities don't make for an impressive application, bt are essential.",
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"text": "I don't know if it could- how can you tell if they will read or not from the application? Maybe sometimes you can but no one says that in an essay.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, you should know not to take my FB persona too seriously. I also accuse you of being a Straussian, which you've denied many times. After all, it wouldn't be salutary for TACers to think of you that way!",
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"text": "Julie Ponzi: please, please, please - this is not a representative sample! - but Katherine Gardner is a tutor I wish I had when I was there. And her point is serious - TAC doesn't have this asinine, servile type A who will go and become an unoriginal slave for Goldman problem. Which is cool.",
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"text": "Is it the rolling admissions that is the problem or simply that the admission standards have dropped? (But I think they were raised again since my class 2012 had such a huge drop out compared to the classes after it)",
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"text": "Madison, following Locke, wanted the state to concentrate on the good of the body and move the good of the soul into the private realm. As understandable and appealing as that may have been given the dangers of religious factions, etc., his plan and rationale made life worse. As his letter to Jefferson reveals, Madison feared an established religion more than anything else. By effectively banishing false religions from the public realm so that they could not inflame the hearts of men, he simultaneously banished the true religion from the public realm where it rightly belongs so that it can best be enshrined in the souls of men. The price of \"peace\" as the world knows it was purchased at the expense of the true peace of Christ. The bargain was a spiritual disaster the effects of which have infected the entire world with a spiritual disease, much like the disease Dostoevsky describes in Raskolnikov's dream in Crime and Punishment. It is the nightmare of the Enlightenment. Welcome to the jungle.",
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"text": "Besides, Matthew J. Peterson, isn't the standard response to deny the existence of Americanism tout court?",
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"text": "OK - Joel HF - by these accusations drawing out my denial you help me keep my cover.",
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"text": "There is also the problem of attrition that Lauren mentions. TAC shouldn't let in so many kids who just can't do the program",
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"text": "Why does Locke keep getting in the way of critiquing the admissions office ",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: What philosopher would've wanted the federal government to deal with last end of man and morals in any sort of serious or direct way?!?",
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"text": "Feil Katherine Gardner: I can see how you might have misgivings about how the total-applicant-pool method would work; I'm not sure how the particulars would work, either. But why do you think rolling admissions is *better*? Just because it's random?",
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"text": "I suppose that may be true... I guess my experience of admissions at other schools just makes that problem at TAC look very small.",
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"text": "You wanted the US Protestant sects to fight each other and outlaw Catholicism from these shores?",
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"text": "Also, sometimes turning people down makes them work harder to get in which does show something about the work they will do to get through the program You are allowed to challenge the outcome ",
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"text": "We must have a discussion on the American cave. Do you pro-Madison folks recognize such a thing? If the shadows on the wall of the American cave don't come from Madison, from whence do they come?",
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"text": "How are you supposed to take moral teachings seriously if your teachers don't take them seriously?",
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"text": "All right, fine. See you soon!",
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"text": "So, yeah, we're very tolerant of sexual perversion these days. That's terrible. But we're not tolerant of violence against children anymore. We're not tolerant of violence against women. We're not tolerant of vice and hypocrisy and corruption in the clergy",
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"text": "Ok. Fair enough. We're no longer tolerant of violence against children who are born.",
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"text": "You don't see the spiritual war waged against the family, children being the greatest victims?",
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"text": "I agree about the evils, but I think this rosy nostalgia for a better time when the church was looking out for souls is revisionist nonsense.",
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"text": "Begging your pardon ma'am, but what happens to the mother's soul in either case?",
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"text": "It is impossible to imagine those men in powdered wigs walking around in the Village. No doubt anyone from any time launched forward into the future would be in shock--even Charlton Heston. But it is likely, as you suggest, that they would be shocked out of their stockings.",
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"text": "Isak-- in both states, terrible evil is being done. I would rather be allowed to do a certain evil, that I would never do, than be forced to suffer state-sanctioned murder of my baby. I mean, I still don't see why this is so controversial",
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"text": "Many local councils and synods throughout Church history have been about corrective measures for unholy, untrained, or otherwise clergymen. Let's not rosy the past up too much now folks.",
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"text": "THANK you.",
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"text": "Ladies and gents, it has been a pleasure to spend the evening with you, but I will pay dearly in the morning. No regrets, of course. We must all give our best to the Thread.",
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"text": "thanks for your thoughts, Dr. Bond",
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"text": "Good night, Dr. Bond. Thanks for coming when I summoned you.",
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"text": "I have read those, Michael. I' m not nostalgic (ok a little). I'm apoplectic ",
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"text": "Anyway, to be clear, I agree in principle that it's better to suffer evil than to do evil. I don't actually think that is an argument that exposing infants is better than abortion.",
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"text": "Well Jefferson and Madison both predicted we would all be unitarians by the mid 19th century..Jeffrey Bond. I think the actual playing out of the 1st amendment has been, on the whole better, than it could have been.\nMy judgment on religious liberty, I forgot, is not known to you. I got some ire before for my criticism of the USCCB's campaign here\nReligious liberty is ultimately not fully coherent. And we see the conflict in conflicting approaches by SCOTUS (compare Yoder to Employment v. Smith). And while we have granted far more standing to Churches than Madison would like, there is still the conflict over who possesses liberty, a church or the individuals? Because they sometimes conflict.\nThe American Myth of Religious Freedom by Craycraft does a good job documenting the dissonance, and Madison's views. But I think the actual law, as received in a body of citizens at once more conservative and religious than many of the Fathers, is a little better than the picture he portrays. Even if one cannot take religious liberty as a real principle, in the context of a society that does not submit to Christ, perhaps the somewhat contrived application of it, in the context of \"ordered liberty,\" does more good than harm given our actual political reality.",
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"text": "Don't call me Dr.; can't help it if I had to receive the mark of the beast. \nSomeday I hope to have booze with Jeffrey Bond.",
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"text": "My little boys are begging me to read this book to them, so I must go:",
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"text": "Why not? You still have shared institutions, national history.",
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"text": "Cause you're a special, self-invented snowflake, yes?",
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"text": "But natio is already a weakened bond and prone to false patriotism. But I agree with Beitia otherwise ( and Samantha)",
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"text": "What are the positive as they say things we have in common?",
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"text": "It might be weak, but it's there. I feel the absence of it every time I go to Canada",
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"text": "But truly, you don't have to think the US *is* any better than any other country to feel patriotism",
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"text": "Michael-- would you think it was impious of me if I started talking about my parents the way you're talking about America?",
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"text": "has anyone here read Nicholas Berdyaev's \"The Russian Ideal\"?",
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"text": "NationaI preference is a good thing. If I say \"Greece is the best because......\" and you have good reasons, fantastic. But it becomes invaIid if you refuse to change preferences and move when another country surpasses your favorite. It sets you up as an awfuI consumer. And if you're a nation who doesn't want to attract more paying customers, and teII peopIe they can't come, then you're shitty at free marqet enterprise. And worse if you start shooting peopIe who want to move to teh competition.",
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"text": "Right, mine either, I'm trying to make an argument that we owe some small amount of respect to our country, as we do to our parents",
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"text": "Thanks tNET. Goodnight",
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"text": "perpetual revolution or constant change establishes a no country. Beitia's complaint is valid.",
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"text": "To respond to Joshua, the hotrods are gone as the caroling of my youth. The California farms are no more.",
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"text": "Absence of Americanism in Canada? Imagine that \nI know what you mean though, Canada does lack the pride of a nation, however, it's people in general are more friendly (and how can you be proud of a country that's try to get a spoiled boy to hold the office of Prime Minister... Seriously!)",
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"text": "And what now binds us as a people? What customs? Or is it only a common core of beliefs?",
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"text": "You misspelled Heidegger",
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"text": "ask Heidegger. He's got a great essay on \"what is a work of art",
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"text": "Philosophy is in decline because of specialization within STEM.",
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"text": "http://jameslangley.com/rome/\nViews of Rome\nCONTACT JAMES LANGLEY \u239c ARTIST\nJAMESLANGLEY.COM\nSeptember 26 at 12:49am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nScott Weinberg Art is an imitation in the form in a different substance. A metaphor, for example.",
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"text": "The current problem within business is the slow retirement of baby boomers and the promotion of engineers into management.",
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"text": "^recursive reversal",
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"text": "The Cricket sings.",
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"text": "STEM is on a decline too, though, there's a book by a prominent physicist, Lee Smolin, in which he basically says \"look, the problem with physics today is that we really haven't made any progress since the 1950s\"",
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"text": "Engineersake great first tier management, but are worthless in second tier and above",
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"text": "This one?",
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"text": "I'm in decline though, I'll tell you that.",
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"text": "The. Doubly stupid companies push engineers to get business degrees but they just become worse engineers.",
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"text": "Crickets have not changed their tune in centuries. Their tune is simple, and happy. It just goes to show that if you practice a lot and keep things simple you will be happy.",
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"text": "well, my beer is empty.... 4 hours is the best I can do. Catch you all in about 5 hours...",
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"text": "Have fun.",
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"text": "True the crickets are the same, but if they don't evolve they will be dinosaurs.",
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"text": "You might actually feel better with only 3 hours of sleep: they say the sleep cycle is 90 mins.",
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"text": "Good night too.",
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"text": "The best human orchiatrated experiment in genetics is dog breeding. Look at the wonderful accomplishments in rapid evolution through selective breeding.",
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"text": "Wrong. Engineers do not have to be creative At all. Most can not draw a square if you do not define it for them first.",
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"text": "Now, there is a new category of engineer the UX designer. They define the user, complete with virtual backstory and imaginary life history, they the. Define how this person likes to behave and what they can cope with learning or using. They then define for the engineer what exactly to do.",
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"text": "^ peregrine bonaventure [2 UP]",
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"text": "They are the carpenters of the virtual world, they can build anything someone else designs. Construction is too complex for the designer/builder",
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"text": "Yes, he's bAck.",
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"text": "Carpenters i have worked with are very sharp. Not so much the engineers but there are exceptions like the ONE engineer in the company who knew everything at our avionics manufacturing co. without blueprints.",
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"text": "Holy cannoli, he's back...and making demands...",
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"text": "(as Peregrine Bonaventure?)",
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"text": "As Scott Weinberg. Can you see him? The usual drivel.",
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"text": "SW. He tried raising IC. Compared ensoulment to zipping a sweater.",
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"text": "Can see him, but not the demands.",
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"text": "Yeah, talk about silliness.",
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"text": "Orthodoxy by faith vs cult followers....... Go",
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"text": "Why is he back? Who permitted this?",
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"text": "Looks like Matthew re-friended him or something like that.",
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"text": "You missed the invitation Beitia and Peterson",
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"text": "The rest of you did not spawn interesting enough discussion and he was invited to return.",
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"text": "Garbage. I wish my disapproval noted for posterity.",
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"text": "There was an outpour of tears. Peoples wanted there pet back: tNET circenses. Matthew gave into the hoi polloi.",
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"text": "Is the \"faith of a child\" better than examined belief?",
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"text": "Roman gladiator shows = tNET troll baiting",
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"text": "Faith is belief in what reason cannot know, properly speaking.",
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"text": "True, but it would seem that most people do not \"study\" their faith and therefore take more by faith",
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"text": "At what point is a faith a cult?",
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"text": "immediately. But there is good cultus and cultish fideism or fuhrer worship, then superstition and then the occult. I guess cults are all a form of false worship or true cult.",
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"text": "Guns have very little to do with crime rates, as crime fell in both states that eased guns laws and those that tightened them. And we can compare stats in Australia before and after Howard, and same with England and see similar statistical insignificance.\nI would have to look up the exact numbers for coefficients, but Mueller's formula for murder rates in the US satisfies the requirements of cointergration. log(homicide rate)= c1 + c2*log(economic fatherhood) + c3*log (proportion of adult males in prison) + c4* log(chance of murderer being executed) + c5*log(abortion rate lagged 16 years)\nEconomic fatherhood is the proportion of men, between 18-45 who actively are involved in fatherhood. Mueller proposed, following Augustine's account of gifts and crimes, and that anti-social indicators would vary inversely with pro-social indicators, and an exemplar is the giving of self in fatherhood He only roughly estimated this value (lacking sufficient data to be more each) by taking the total fertility rate as an indicator, factoring out males in prison and children supported by the state.\nc1 was a relative constant over the last 80 years of 1.702962 . c2 is -0.716678 (iow for every 1% increase in economic fatherhood, murder rates fall by ~.72%) c3 is -0.250365 (for every 1% increase murder rates fall 0.25% and you get the picture for the rest). c4 is -0.029457, c5 is 0.083556 (meaning abortion rates positively correlate with murder rates, contrary Freaknomics). c1 can be said to represent a sum of other factors, that have overall remained fairly constant. And using a different c1 for each country, we find the formula works in all countries. It also works with other crimes. Note how execution rates do correlate with less murder, but has far less effect than healthy families! Likewise, attributing the recent (1994-present) dropping rates to incarceration (punishment as incapacitation) is only a very partial picture, and a costly and sometimes questionable method. Whereas economic fatherhood (and motherhood especially) is a positive cost measure. Note too, that the c1 constant varies inversely with the suicide rate of most developed countries...what I mean is that countries with an historically lower murder rate, also have historically a higher suicide rate. It is an interesting question, that Mueller could not answer, what happened between 1920-1936, that changed the constant coefficient. The murder rate in the US used to be a lot higher than say the UK, way before even the UK had guns laws...theirs has increased, ours decreased (4 times higher rather than 16 times higher!)...of course they count it different too....comparing statistics based on different criteria is messy.\nSorry for the digression there, but the comment about guns resurfaced my thoughts from last night (around 4 am while working). I am likely the biggest gun nut on this thread, but there is some truth to \"guns\" being a peculiar American obsession, that is rather sad (both among those pro-gun and anti-gun). An excuse to ignore the more fundamental issue of marriage and family, and by extension real community. But it gets to a deeper issue. In both sides of the debate, there is an underlying current of individualistic principles. This stands out most with pro-gun advocates, but it is also there in the other side and their right to feel safe and such. And no one questions the common ground which is the real problem...",
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"text": "This is the problem with not refreshing the page...I was responding to Michael Beitia's claim about the natio of this country....an hour and a half later. I am wondering as to Edward Langley's thoughts here. I dare not speak of the fall of Rome....I am not even sure we can speak of a fall at all. When was it exactly?\nThe late 3rd century, and Diocletian's attempt to decentralize rule (two Caesars and two pro-consuls etc)\nPost Theodosius, the last to rule over all of the Empire (unless you count Zeno's brief treatment of Odoacer as viceregent and himself as sole emperor)?\nThe establishment of the Ostrogothic kingdom?\nThe Senate remained throughout the kingdom and republic and empire. It was the constant political institution of Rome...and it just sort of faded away. We know it recognized Emperor Phocas in 603 AD, even though Gregory was already lamenting the decline of it as an institution...and its place of meeting was turned intoa Church in 630....seems from 500-630 is just withered slowly and died.\nThe eastern Senate remained longer and underwent a similar fate, fading away after 1204 (its last known act was then). But the Emperor remained.\nSo maybe the fall of Constantinople?\nBut clearly in crowning Charlemagne emperor of the Romans, and prior to that still have a relation with the eastern Emperor, the was a sense even in the 8th and 9th century west that Rome was still a thing.\nSo what, 1806? Or in 1918 with the deposition of Bl. Carl?\nOr why not even now...that is right, Lichenstein is the last remnant of the Holy Roman Empire! Roe still lives in Lichenstein!",
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"text": "His lecture was about refuting metaphysical errors of Christopher West. So I thought we'd have some common ground. Boy was I wrong.",
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"text": "He says that souls are masculine or feminine before they are infused into bodies, and when I challenged him on this he simply dismissed the authority of the fathers and said I didn't understand the relationship between body and soul. All the while, he got a woman in the audience to stand up and give him a hug...twice. It was all very bizarre.",
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"text": "I don't know about you, but I generally find these positions a lot more respectable when I'm arguing with a person who actually holds then I find them in themselves.\nAlthough, most of the time the argument only proceeds dialectically.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I don't buy that the popularity of epicureanism had much to do with it. First, while hedonist it is not hedonist in the way we use that term today, it advocates a certain simplicity in life. Second, it had already been popular it the time of Caesar, with Caesar himself having an affinity to it. Cicero opposed it, though most of his friends were Epicureans. Three, the decline and changing and mutating of Rome happened through many factors...economic, social, military. It is hard to attribute any philosophy as a cause even as only being a cause among many",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I have a similar experience, typically. Sadly, this lecture I went to on the metaphysical errors of Christopher West was not one of those times. \nThe lecture ultimately was slanderous and calumnious of West. His lecture was a critique of West's work, but involved no quotations from West at all. \nHis response to my objections were dismissive and condescending (in a bad way).",
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"text": "Lendman I would agree with your sentiment there, with an addendum: I want someone who will actually say what he means and mean what he says. Even worse, sometimes, than someone using strawmen to attack you and the like, is the person who thinks dialogue means merely stating your varied views and leaving it at that...especially when it is a question of facts and the reaction to any challenge is to get extremely upset and stick fingers in your ears, but even worse to just ignore it with \"oh we can agree to disagree\"\nI like some pugnacity. As long as the aim is truth.",
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"text": "The lecturer got to troll Daniel Lendman, didn't have to quote his sources, and hugged women in the crowd. This personalism business sounds great so far. What's the problem again?",
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"text": "Joshua:\nI answer that, This is the difference between the natural body of man and the Church's mystical body, that the members of the natural body are all together, and the members of the mystical are not all together--neither as regards their natural being, since the body of the Church is made up of the men who have been from the beginning of the world until its end--nor as regards their supernatural being, since, of those who are at any one time, some there are who are without grace, yet will afterwards obtain it, and some have it already. We must therefore consider the members of the mystical body not only as they are in act, but as they are in potentiality. Nevertheless, some are in potentiality who will never be reduced to act, and some are reduced at some time to act; and this according to the triple class, of which the first is by faith, the second by the charity of this life, the third by the fruition of the life to come. Hence we must say that if we take the whole time of the world in general, Christ is the Head of all men, but diversely. For, first and principally, He is the Head of such as are united to Him by glory; secondly, of those who are actually united to Him by charity; thirdly, of those who are actually united to Him by faith; fourthly, of those who are united to Him merely in potentiality, which is not yet reduced to act, yet will be reduced to act according to Divine predestination; fifthly, of those who are united to Him in potentiality, which will never be reduced to act; such are those men existing in the world, who are not predestined, who, however, on their departure from this world, wholly cease to be members of Christ, as being no longer in potentiality to be united to Christ.",
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"text": "Do you guys ever sleep?",
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"text": "What's a personalist? Some kind of continental philosopher?",
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"text": "No. I've been here at \"work\" for over two hours now",
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"text": "Joshua Rome fell. I think that's the way it was perceived at the time of the multiple sackings. But I know what you are saying. It was only mostly dead if that and the East lived. It was the end of an age though and the beginning of another",
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"text": "I'd say \"blue collar wage slave\" but I'm technically management, and I'm salaried. But my collar is, in fact, blue",
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"text": "before facebook deleted my employment it said \"indentured servant at the man\"",
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"text": "nope now it says \"Former indentured servant at the man\" I have no idea how this happened.",
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"text": "Facebook knows you're management now. It will not allow you to falsely claim solidarity with the oppressed.",
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"text": "[pactatio Olisipiensis cencenda est.]",
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"text": "guillotine time?",
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"text": "Hey Scott, when did you come back?",
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"text": "Last night at 11:52 PM. I had been on a blocking rampage then came to my senses.",
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"text": "[Scott = Cinna the poet]",
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"text": "I don't want to be Caesar anymore. After last night I think I need to be a republican.",
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"text": "I am not Casca. I was just upset by some of the discussion on the Immaculate Conception. But, you should buy this book. Poetry must be written for an interest. If you know how to use metaphor, you are on track as a poet; if you know how to use enthymeme, and if you can handle Scripture carefully, you can write devotional. I wrote this for the interest of the readers, and to sell. It is important to write to sell. This just means you are writing to an interest. If you are a pious theologian, you must also write to an interest. But anyway, this book is selling in the largest Catholic bookstore in the country, and other places. You should get a copy. It will have a positive impact on your life. I promise. It will delight and entertain and make you smile. It took several years to complete. I am a slow writer. The publisher asked me to write a botanical in honor of Our Lady, and I have also begun an epic about the experiences of a refugee in America.\nhttps://secure.webvalence.com/ecommerce/kiosk.lasso...\nEastern Christian Publications\nPerfect for parents and their children, grandparents and the grandchildren. The Christian bestiary is the original kind of devotional, and this is the first one written in centuries, and the only one ever that includes virtually every animal named in the Bible. 220 pages. Written in the manner of th\u2026\nSECURE.WEBVALENCE.COM",
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"text": "And because I'm teaching Federalist 51 again this morning, I can't resist: I simply do not see what others see when they give it what I take to be a careless read.\nFor the 1000th time, Madison in 51 is talking about preventing OPPRESSIVE and UNJUST majorities. He knows there will be majority opinion. He thinks the large republic will prevent BAD majority opinion and allow GOOD majority opinion to triumph.\nThis applies to religion as well. He has no problem with a religion that would be upheld by a majority if it wasn't oppressive and upheld the rights of conscience. He has his personal doubts over whether that is possible. Jefferson thinks that, far from getting rid of any religious majority, everyone will become unitarian. In neither case is there a rejection of the public good or an objective good.",
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"text": "^ wrong for 999th time ",
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"text": "little 'r' republican, however",
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"text": "I can't read the text for you. What you seek in it IS NOT THERE.",
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"text": "And it is strange to wish that it was there.",
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"text": "^^ I am done. Let's not agree to not disagree for a change. (First step towards Madisonian supermajority indifferentism )",
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"text": "Samantha, we are arranging your resignation ",
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"text": "What you are all arguing is that because they didn't ban Catholicism (which they would have done if they adopted your principles) they made it hard for Catholicism to ever take root and made us all moral relativists.\nBut not a single one of these people were relativists. Nor were the laws and culture of the land. For well over a century.",
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"text": "FACT: Madison never wrote a bestiary.",
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"text": "^^ It seems that way, Matthew. What we are arguing are the moral consequences of the principles. That's a big difference. I understand the political reality in Madison's day. It isn't about \"what should I have done\". [Dang. I thought I was done.]",
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"text": "That's the first true thing I've heard about Madison on this thread, Scott. He did write about beasties though:\nhttp://founders.archives.gov/...\nFounders Online: Notes on Buffon\u2019s Histoire naturelle, [completed ca. May 1786]\nNotes on Buffon\u2019s Histoire naturelle, [completed ca. May...\nFOUNDERS.ARCHIVES.GOV",
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"text": "Why are some saying Federalist 51 is a shield against faction of the majority?",
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"text": "I think the disconnect between reality on the ground and the refusal to speak of the actual circumstances and choice in front of these men writing to persuade people in the midst of those set circumstances on the one hand, and these so called principles on the other, is an enormous part of the problem, and refusal to address it will forever make your position look silly.\nBut I still want to see where Madison rejects the notion that there is an objective good. The entirety of 10 and 51 DEPEND UPON THE IDEA THAT THERE IS ONE. OTHERWISE, HE WOULD NOT HAVE CARED ABOUT UNJUST AND OPPRESSIVE MAJORITY TYRANNY IN DEMOCRACY, WHICH HE WAS TRYING TO STOP.",
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"text": "Here, let's read some relativism from Fed 51, shall we?",
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"text": "\"It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the INJUSTICE of the other part\"",
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"text": "^^ No, yours is the disconnect. The realty is that society has embraced a demand that all be tolerant of all views and morality. This is the reality. Why is that? [It's an inquiry; not about skewering Madison though there is that temptation because you want to find someone that is responsible.]",
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"text": "Madison and Washington had an interest. The word interest may have been Washington's favorite word. Madison had an interest in forming a union and protecting it against factions. That is his subject and interest. His subject is the smaller faction, and forming the union amidst an onslaught of small factions.",
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"text": "\"There are but two methods of providing against this EVIL\"",
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"text": "^^^ Getting in that top 10 percentile on your status?\nhttps://www.facebook.com/matth.../posts/10152684071056508...",
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"text": "\"This view of the subject must particularly recommend a proper federal system to all the sincere and considerate friends of republican government, since it shows that in exact proportion as the territory of the Union may be formed into more circumscribed Confederacies, or States OPPRESSIVE combinations of a majority will be facilitated\"",
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"text": "^Please explain this passage to me. No objective good?!? An objective good underlies the argument of both Fed 10 and 51.",
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"text": "And no one will answer my question - how would any philosopher or Pope want the federal government to deal with man's last end, as all agree that as you extend the sphere the purposes get thinner and more basic.",
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"text": "I think he means in the same way Hobbes \"rejected\" Aristotle's summum bonum... but Hobbes did not really reject this, neither does Madison.",
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"text": "^^ You want me to read. And explain. I only make assertions (which has been sufficiently proven). ",
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"text": "Pater Edmund: Bond was indeed arguing, and has said repeatedly, that Madison did not hold to an objective good.",
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"text": "Madison, it seems, clearly, views happiness as man's final end. He just does not call it beatitude as St. Thomas does in his book about Kings. Madison was not eyeing a Catholic monarchial reign like some do today.",
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"text": "What does Madison mean by \"justice\", by \"general good\", by \"common good\". This was the argument that Bond was making. I have not been rereading nothing excepts quotes and links posts. (Truth is it's not of interest.) But Matthew will make me.",
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"text": "As to the agree to disagree business, again, what do you think the federal government should have done (the state governments ALREADY HAD established religions)?!?\nSilence.",
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"text": "NO, Matthew. It's not what *should* they have done. It's what the f. can we do now. That's the point of the inquiry and to gain interlechual clarity.",
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"text": "I think it's time to write in the manner of GKC: \"It is not that Democracy has never tried Catholicism; it is that Catholicism has never tried democracy!\"",
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"text": "consequences of his principles?",
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"text": "Neither Bond NOR I will respond to the \"what should they have done\". LIS it's not really about skewering Madison (and I have defended him at times). That's water under the bridge. It's trying to understand our particular circumstances and what is the idea, the practical, and the possible.",
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"text": "Doesn't even matter what Madison means by justice and the general good - the terms will be defined by people deliberating throughout the nation about matters of policy.\nWould putting Aristotlian definitions into the Constitution have served a purpose?\nRead the state constitutions - they did this to some extent.",
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"text": "Madison is trying to form a just union, in the face of a confederacy of factions. He succeeded in a way that Catholics are free to practice their faith. The greater tragedy is that Catholics do not know their faith.",
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"text": "WHat Bethea? ",
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"text": "If you want to understand our circumstances but don't want to deal with circumstances - call me confused.",
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"text": "This is the last time I am going to ask. It is Chesterton Friday. Please try to write your sentences in the manner of GK!",
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"text": "I think it's time to write in the manner of GKC: \"It is not that Democracy has never tried Catholicism; it is that Catholicism has never tried democracy!\" ----- I disagree with GKC. He never left his anarchism. Moreover, his enthusiasm for democracy rested on his faith in rural peasantry which we have no more. Scott.",
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"text": "You want to talk about what we can do now - bit you don't want to deal with what you can when the majority disagrees with you?!? Bwhahaha...\nYou will fail in this country. Because you don't understand Madison, in part.",
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"text": "\"understand circumstances\" does not mean understanding the particular circumstances at the Founding ----- or I should say thinking about how they should have done it differently at that time. Certainly an awareness of those circumstances some of which obtain today is necessary.",
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"text": "perpetual revolution. it's the only way\nLet's get a five year plan together",
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"text": "I don't think politically anything can be done, but I have engaged politically in the past (though not to the extant of Scott).",
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"text": "I think some people are upset because the majority in America is not Catholic. They think it is wrong that America was not established as a Catholic monarchy.",
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"text": "It was just thrown out there generally, but not to you. This is a question you have to wonder about.",
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"text": "SO WRONG: \"But America was established for Catholicism to succeed and be able to persuade.\" It was not, Scott. Are you saying God providentially provide for the Founding for the liberty and exultation of the Church? What is your claim?",
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"text": "John, it would be good for me if you could explain your position a bit more.",
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"text": "Matthew Bond has replied to your objections multiple times. It's not that Maddison says \"oh shoot w've got multiple religions, therefore we can't establish religion, shoot\" he says \"oh yes, in the union there are so many religious sects that none of them will ever be able to opress the others, yes!\"",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond: are you the Bond that I visited in Chicago as a child during a terrible heat-wave? Or was that someone else?",
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"text": "Religious freedom protects the Catholic Faith in America. There is no provision in the Constitution, no law, which restricts the Faith. There is no hindrance in our law preventing well-informed Catholics from running our country with virtue.",
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"text": "I'm all for piety toward one's country as a kind of filial piety, but why are you people all so against piety toward the middle ages? Aren't we children of the middle ages too?",
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"text": "I don't think any amount of explanation can help, Scott. I do recommend Bond's arguments here. He says it better than I.\nhttps://www.facebook.com/matthewjpeterson/posts/10152543773981508\nMatthew J. Peterson\nA sure sign of a corrupt era: lots of Senators in the mix for the Presidency. The reason only 16 have been elected President thus far?\nBy virtue of their office...\nSee More",
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"text": "can we understand the founding in terms of religious dissidents setting up their own theocratic states? Is that possible?",
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"text": "I do not necessarily see Hobbes and Bacon and Newton as departures from the Middle Ages. They are just different. They do a different thing. They did not kill the truths of all of the glory of Christendom. These truths are still with us. We can still exercise them in this democracy.",
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"text": "WRONG: \" Just as Spaceman Jeffrey extends the definition of persecution to \"not having a Catholic monarchy\"\"",
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"text": "Matthew, I know that's my point",
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"text": "He totally did that last night, John",
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"text": "\"free\" space so long as you adhere to certain religious doctrines. Y'all need to read Murray to see the problems Catholics face in our culture.",
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"text": "not that we can't criticize the founding. Which I am by advocating perpetual revolution!",
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"text": "To be fair, he didn't specify that it had to be a monarchy. Persecution is Catholicism not being the established state church",
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"text": "You're reminding me just how right Bond is (regardless of whether we speak of Madison as the source of the problem --- that question can be dropped and his argument still stands).",
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"text": "There is not a whole lot of basis in the Federalist papers or in the founding documents that supports the idea that Catholicism was to be suppressed in America. The tragedy is not there. It's in the fact that Catholics do not know their Faith.",
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"text": "Michael-- perpetual revolution goes against the first good of government, peace.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Matthew above you wrote \u00abThe high Middle Ages failed. Centuries of fighting for power against the impressive state led to covering state power. This led to the abominable corruption of the Church, replete with wicked Popes, and this led to the reformation and the \"enlightenment\".\u00bb\nCan we at least admit that this is a highly simplistic and contentious interpretation of the High Middle Ages? In one sense they were certainly a failure\u2014they came to an end. But was their decline and fall caused by subordination of the temporal to the spiritual? Note that the popes who aggressively pushed the classical integralist position (distinction of two swords, subordination of the temporal to the spiritual), from St Gregory VII to Boniface VIII, were mostly good guys, morally upright. The worst popes come later when that model has been practically abandoned under the pressure of the forces that brought the middle ages to an end\u2014French nationalism, revival of Italian city states, decline of the emperor's power outside of Germany, increase of trade, usury etc. It is in the Rennaisaince that you get the worst popes, and that was because the papal states and been integrated into the political system in a way directly contrary to Gregory VII's model...",
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"text": "^^ Don't remember that, but I missed that part of the discussion. Samantha 3 up.",
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"text": "no it doesn't\n#revolutiongnosis",
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"text": "If it's a true revolution, there's blood in the streets, man",
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"text": "If Catholicism were the state religion in America, imagine what this would do to our entertainment industry?",
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"text": "Samantha/Caesar: I thought we were all for piety toward the Roman Empire.",
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"text": "You can have a bloodless revolution.",
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"text": "I'm not Caesar anymore. I'm a republican! I don't really want to be Brutus, though",
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"text": "\"centuries of fighting against the IMPRESSIVe state\" --- Matthew is really a closet Monarchist.",
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"text": "And don't get me wrong, I know that there is always an element of illusion in looking to the past for models. Link #22,001: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../all-times-are-bad.../\nAll Times Are Bad Times\nGloriosus apparuisti inter principes Austriae, sancte Leopolde, ideo diadema suscepisti de manu Domini; ora...\nSANCRUCENSIS.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "But it is natural to think that the time in which one lives is the worst of all (and one is usually right).",
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"text": "Yes! All times are bad time! That's what I was saying last night!",
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"text": "Isak, I certainly did make an attempt. It's possible it was impaired by whiskey.",
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"text": "that's why \"conservatism\" is a dead end we can't go back. That's why we've got to out-liberal the liberals and come around on the other side",
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"text": "Reposting Pater Edmund: \"It is in the Rennaisaince that you get the worst popes, and that was because the papal states and been integrated into the political system in a way directly contrary to Gregory VII's model...\" <<<< this.",
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"text": "The Middle Ages was the glory of Christendom, there is no doubt. But with the rise of Britannia in the 16th C, it was just not possible to govern a civilized world through bishopric dynasties and Catholic monarchies. So we have freedom of religion. It is perfect for the growth of the Faith. Why do you need a Catholic King?",
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"text": "I'm just reading Peter Handke's book on Serbia: everyone is so misunderstood!",
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"text": "the Middle Ages didn't have indoor plumbing\nQED",
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"text": "Pater: \"But it is natural to think that the time in which one lives is the worst of all (and one is usually right)\". <<<<< relativist --- I do think I can make that argument. But it is too huge for the thread. We have truly grave ills today when the very foundation upon which any state is built is being undermined.",
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"text": "Or vaccines, or antibiotics",
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"text": "Or novocaine",
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"text": "Yes they did have indoor plumbing. Check out the toilets in Stift Zwettl (one of our daughter houses).",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "We have a King in heaven, and happiness as our end in this democracy. Why complain about the food?",
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"text": "But fair enough about vaccines.",
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"text": "Oh, sure, *your* people had indoor plumbing",
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"text": "Clean drinking water!",
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"text": "which Pater's people would not have had",
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"text": "\"It's in the fact that Catholics do not know their Faith.\"\nPossibIy true, but protestant don't seem to have any cIue who Geesus was.",
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"text": "novocaine, vaccines, antibiotics, indoor plumbing: overrated. Clean water and sanitation not so much.",
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"text": "\"Basic literacy\" --- YOU KID!",
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"text": "Listen man, there are plenty of uninformed Catholics and Protestants. We could trade insults with one another about whose sect has done a worse job all day",
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"text": "that would push us close to 30k",
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"text": "Most people in this country know how to read. Most people in the middle ages did not.",
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"text": "In Kansas, you can get 5 acres and 5,000 square feet for under $250,000. That's far less than a bishop got during the Middle Ages.",
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"text": "We all agree that _in some respects_ our age is better than previous ages. But not many. Literacy for the masses is a mixed blessing",
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"text": "uuuuuugh",
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"text": "I love you, Pater, but no, it's not",
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"text": "The masses by nature are a mixed bag.",
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"text": "Ok, good.",
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"text": "The ability to read is over-rated???",
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"text": "Samantha, the issue for me is what Protestants are doing to the Tea Party. Or we can caII them socio-cons to avoid insuIting protestants, but the Venn diagram is practicaIIy a circIe.",
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"text": "I am not though. What do you mean by read? And by what grade ought basic literacy be obtained? (Medieval DID NOT require literacy to function in society at a high level. And there was no printing press.)",
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"text": "Link #2,002: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../tarnishing-the.../\nTarnishing the Splendor of Truth\nThe eccentric French footballer Nicolas Anelka-- once of Arsenal, Real Madrid, Chelsea etc., now of West West...\nSANCRUCENSIS.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "Today, of course, basic literacy is needed. But by what grade should one have achieved basic literacy to be a competant plumber and make 60k per year?",
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"text": "In America, supporting individual prosperity and the pursuit of happiness is a way support the union. The union is not supported by putting down true freedoms. If a factious majority of people-pursuing-happiness rose up, they would be invited to join the union that already exists.",
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"text": "John, the Venn Diagram isn't even close to a circle. None of the evangelicals I spend time with are remotely Tea Partiers",
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"text": "Without literacy, how are the future generations to read tNET?",
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"text": "(On balance, I would probably have to admit that Protestants have a better record on catechesis, btw).",
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"text": "Literally all the Tea Partiers I know are Catholic, as it happens",
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"text": "Reminds me of answering the dorm phone and hearing someone say \"can I speak with John?\"",
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"text": "John Ashman, I don't really know much about what's going on in the Tea Party. I'm not that interested, to be honest. But I do know a lot of intelligent evangelicals and none of them are Tea Partiers",
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"text": "To conced e to Samantha, NationaI Organization for Marriage is run by a CathoIic. Very disappointing.",
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"text": "\"Tea Party\" is so unCatholic. I need to start the \"Beer party\": Plank 1 -- medieval beer purity standards.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, I would define true freedom and liberty as knowing, loving and serving God in this world with an alacrity of fully-informed devotion, and forever in the next. This, I think, is in line with St. Thomas' political writings which refer to beatitude as being the end of the Catholic King. In America, these freedoms so-defined are protected and guaranteed and are in no way limited by the government. Our government, in no way, forces any individual to deny any aspect of this freedom. Only in rare circumstances has this ever happened. But in those circumstances, changes have been made. Our government in no way persecutes Catholics. In fact, our government does not even tax the Church.",
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"text": "If anybody at any of the churches I have been a part of hated immigration (illegal or otherwise), I didn't know about it.",
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"text": "\u00abWhat does one \"know,\" when involvement is nearly always only [tele-] visual involvement? What does one know, when all the \"network\" and \"online\" produces only knowing about, without that real knowledge that only comes from learning, looking and learning. What does one know he sees not the thing but an image of the thing, or in TV news an abbreviation of an image, or online the abbreviation of an abbreviation?\u00bb \u2013 Peter Handke, Justice for Serbia",
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"text": "It's funny how everything I read at the moment appears as a commentary on The Neverending Thread.",
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"text": "Scott, how does one prevent the confusion between the liberty you have defined and liberty as the freedom to believe and expresswhatever one wants?",
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"text": "Samantha, I know I link too much, but I would be interested in your opinion on this: http://sancrucensis.wordpress.com/.../tarnishing-the.../\nTarnishing the Splendor of Truth\nThe eccentric French footballer Nicolas Anelka-- once of Arsenal, Real Madrid, Chelsea etc., now of West West...\nSANCRUCENSIS.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "We hold this thread to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.",
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"text": "^^ But is liberty here the same as you defined above?",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, I have to tend my sick children now, but I'll read it in a bit and get back to you",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, the liberty you and I have defined is self-evident. Liberty to believe whatever one wants is not self-evident, it was not what the Founders meant, but is the cause of faction, in the Bible and in government.",
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"text": "Blessings on the sick children. I'll think of them at vespers.",
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"text": "A question for The Thread from Goodreads before I leave for Vespers: \u00abWe will be interviewing Marilynne Robinson about her new book, Lila, for the October Newsletter. Do you have any questions for the author about her previous work, her new book, her writing habits, her characters, etc.? \nRespond to this message with your question! We'll include a few of the most interesting ones in our interview.\u00bb\nSuggest some questions Thread.",
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"text": "\"Liberty, the highest of natural endowments, being the portion only of intellectual or rational natures, confers on man this dignity - that he is \"in the hand of his counsel\" and has power over his actions. But the manner in which such dignity is exercised is of the greatest moment, inasmuch as on the use that is made of liberty the highest good and the greatest evil alike depend.\"",
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"text": "5. Liberty, then, as We have said, belongs only to those who have the gift of reason or intelligence. Considered as to its nature, it is the faculty of choosing means fitted for the end proposed, for he is master of his actions who can choose one thing out of many. Now, since everything chosen as a means is viewed as good or useful, and since good, as such, is the proper object of our desire, it follows that freedom of choice is a property of the will, or, rather, is identical with the will in so far as it has in its action the faculty of choice. But the will cannot proceed to act until it is enlightened by the knowledge possessed by the intellect. In other words, the good wished by the will is necessarily good in so far as it is known by the intellect; and this the more, because in all voluntary acts choice is subsequent to a judgment upon the truth of the good presented, declaring to which good preference should be given. No sensible man can doubt that judgment is an act of reason, not of the will. The end, or object, both of the rational will and of its liberty is that good only which is in conformity with reason.",
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"text": "6. Since, however, both these faculties are imperfect, it is possible, as is often seen, that the reason should propose something which is not really good, but which has the appearance of good, and that the will should choose accordingly. For, as the possibility of error, and actual error, are defects of the mind and attest its imperfection, so the pursuit of what has a false appearance of good, though a proof of our freedom, just as a disease is a proof of our vitality, implies defect in human liberty. The will also, simply because of its dependence on the reason, no sooner desires anything contrary thereto than it abuses its freedom of choice and corrupts its very essence. Thus it is that the infinitely perfect God, although supremely free, because of the supremacy of His intellect and of His essential goodness, nevertheless cannot choose evil; neither can the angels and saints, who enjoy the beatific vision. St. Augustine and others urged most admirably against the Pelagians that, if the possibility of deflection from good belonged to the essence or perfection of liberty, then God, Jesus Christ, and the angels and saints, who have not this power, would have no liberty at all, or would have less liberty than man has in his state of pilgrimage and imperfection. This subject is often discussed by the Angelic Doctor in his demonstration that the possibility of sinning is not freedom, but slavery. It will suffice to quote his subtle commentary on the words of our Lord: \"Whosoever committeth sin is the slave of sin.\"(3) \"Everything,\" he says, \"is that which belongs to it a naturally. When, therefore, it acts through a power outside itself, it does not act of itself, but through another, that is, as a slave. But man is by nature rational. When, therefore, he acts according to reason, he acts of himself and according to his free will; and this is liberty. Whereas, when he sins, he acts in opposition to reason, is moved by another, and is the victim of foreign misapprehensions. Therefore, `Whosoever committeth sin is the slave of sin.' \"(4) Even the heathen philosophers clearly recognized this truth, especially they who held that the wise man alone is free; and by the term \"wise man\" was meant, as is well known, the man trained to live in accordance with his nature, that is, in justice and virtue.",
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"text": "^^ We have no agreement on the thread (of relatively like minded folks) as to what is liberty or religious liberty. (Self-evident? not so much. certainly not today. Cf. John C. Murray's collection \"We Hold These Truths\". He saw the problem of lack of consensus, but didn't see others.)",
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"text": "Jeff wrote: \"It would seem more reasonable to me that having factions of multiple religions would be better than a single state mandated religion. First of all, I have never met two people that believe the same thing (to the same degree) including priests, bishops and cardinals.\" BUT this is a consequence of our present confusion merely, the culmination of a false understanding of liberty. I completely agree (on the last sentence), Jeff. The lack of consensus is ubiquitous: nothing but divisions and sects of one. \"Sects of one\" is an exaggeration of course.",
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"text": "Scott, the ambiguity is clear in what you say. We have two meanings of happiness and religious liberty here: \" [1] Religious liberty is the freedom to know, love and worship God and to pursue man's highest end which is the pursuit of eternal happiness (beatitude). In the Founding Documents, we see reference to [2] the right to the pursuit of happiness. In the other section of rights, there is a right to religious freedom.\"",
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"text": "John, we believe in the one true God. The Bill of rights protects the right to exercise religion freely. This is all it says really. But this is enough. This is all it needs to say, to align the self-evident right of happiness with the full and free exercise of the Catholic Faith. Our history as a nation shows that the freedom of Catholics to exercise their Faith has in no way been put down. In fact, Catholics can even run for the presidency. Now is not that something?",
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"text": "^^ not self evident. That's just an assertion. And you are playing, Scott, with two definitions of \"happiness\". Which is the self-evident one?",
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"text": "AGAIN, Scott. Another ambiguity. The \"one true God\" or some other god?",
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"text": "Like Ashman said, adherence to compromise is like calling bud light beer and saying \"I love beer\", when it's not even made from barley. Is the \"common good\" (the party planks) really a common good in any way anymore, Jeff?",
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"text": "John, I'm just asking if you think the Founder's \"God of nature\" is a fabrication and in no way the real Creator, but something else? Can you give me a yes or a no? St. Thomas said Aristotle and he were talking about the same God. The Church teaches in Her Dogma it is the same God: The God known by reason (in part) is the same God revealed.",
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"text": "But there are proofs for the existence of God, Mr. Ashman. These are not proofs of the existence of a Triune God -- that requires Faith. But Faith is founded on the authority of the one revealing and the miracles are the signs of the truth of that.",
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"text": "\"in Her Dogma\"? She teaches that the Founders god is our God?",
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"text": "But John R. Even people who love beer don't love the same qualities. But they profess the same love. And compromise the other to exist and be enjoyed as well. There is no loss in this compromise. However, beer purity laws would be a true compromise, against the pumpkin beer lovers. But beer purity laws are not for the common good but the private good of the narrowly beer minded.",
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"text": "John, if the \"God of Nature\" of the Founders is not the same God as our God, then what or who is it? Are you willing to answer this question?",
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"text": "John and John, if the Founder's \"God of Nature\" is not the same God as a true believer, then why are the rights of the true believer protected by the right to religious freedom in the Bill of Rights that the Founders were willing to die for?",
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"text": "^ non sequitur. Not only that but the Bill of Rights were drawn up after the Revolution. (Scott)",
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"text": "\"The error seems not sufficiently eradicated, that the operations of the mind, as well as the acts of the body, are subject to the coercion of the laws. But our rulers can have authority over such natural rights only as we have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. If it be said, his testimony in a court of justice cannot be relied on, reject it then, and be the stigma on him. Constraint may make him worse by making him a hypocrite, but it will never make him a truer man. It may fix him obstinately in his errors, but will not cure them. Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation. They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only. Had not the Roman government permitted free enquiry, Christianity could never have been introduced. Had not free enquiry been indulged, at the aera of the reformation, the corruptions of Christianity could not have been purged away. If it be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged. Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food.\" Thomas Gefferson.",
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"text": "That does not follow, which rhymes with Apollo. Believers of the one true God have been persecuted by factions from within and without for ever. Even from within the House of David.",
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"text": "\"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.\" Some guy who wrote the DoI.",
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"text": "^ true (actually false -- many now have no problem with this statement, Mr. Ashman)",
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"text": "Gefferson beIieved that freedom created better reIigion. And he wrote his own BibIe for it.",
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"text": "OR...humans are faIIibIe and can't be trusted with anything they say about God.",
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"text": "My beer point.... You aren't making a compromise if you aren't making a sacrifice of yourself. This the bud light fan claims to love \"beer\". And the staunch catholic says \"if it doesn't say Stone Arrogant Bastard, it's not allowed to call itself beer\"",
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"text": "Anyway, Charles Carroll, the devout Roman Catholic Founding Father who signed the Declaration, in his own words, proves you scurrilous dogs are wrong. And you are so mangy I will not even share his words with you. That would be like throwing crumbs to the swine. I will make you go look it up. And I hope you like my references to dogs and swine... I through those in for dramatic effect alone. I mean no insult. I am very impressed with your dramatic abilities.",
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"text": "And may the One true God, the God of our Founders, the God of Charles Carroll, and the God of the Pope of Rome, bless you.",
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"text": "God of IsraeI and Mohammed....",
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"text": "God is aIways made in the image of His creators.",
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"text": "CathoIic God = God 2.0.",
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"text": "You can't argue with StaIin!",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "#PseudoGnosis form Lucky Jim on the Middle Ages: \u00abAs he approached the Common Room he thought briefly about the Middle Ages. Those who professed themselves unable to believe in the reality of human progress ought to cheer themselves up, as the students under examination had conceivably been cheered up, by a short study of the Middle Ages. The hydrogen bomb, the South African Government, Chiang Kai-shek, Senator McCarthy himself, would then seem a light price to pay for no longer being in the Middle Ages. Had people ever been as nasty, as self-indulgent, as dull, as miserable, as cocksure, as bad at art, as dismally ludicrous, or as wrong as they'd been in the Middle Age - Margaret's way of referring to the Middle Ages? He grinned at this last thought...\u00bb",
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"text": "Jeff: \"And the staunch catholic says \"if it doesn't say Stone Arrogant Bastard, it's not allowed to call itself beer\"\" <<<<<< straw man argument. German purity laws are very liberal (in the true sense ). They prevent the masses from confusing non-beer and beer.",
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"text": "John, tNET kind of presupposes Christianity.",
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"text": "This is interesting. Do we have an atheist on tNET now?",
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"text": "Is anyone going to try to convert him?",
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"text": "German purity laws are garbage",
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"text": "Lots of my favorite beers wouldn't qualify as \"beer\"",
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"text": "Pater Edmund-- I did read your \"Tarnishing the Splendor of Truth\" article",
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"text": "I liked it, right up til the last paragraph. ; )",
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"text": "^ true 3 up",
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"text": "^YOU WILL BE CAST INTO THE OUTER DARKNESS^",
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"text": "But it's a price I'm willing to pay, Samantha. We still can call the other things by names other than \"beer\".",
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"text": "\"The The Neverending Thread\" this thread",
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"text": "^ infidel (Not knowing tNET is like not knowing there is a God: self evident really.)",
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"text": "maybe I have to read Giusanni for the full argument, but the \"unitary mentality\" idea isn't very fleshed out.",
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"text": "Oh...",
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"text": "Having just finished vespers in our medieval Church, where monks have been praying vespers since the 12th century. Having just eaten supper in our refectory decorated with the portraits of medieval Austrian dukes and Hungarian kings, whose donations to the monastery literally still pay for the food we eat... It occurred to me that where we live might have something to do with our different judgements on piety toward the Middle Ages, Samantha.",
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"text": "that is a very good point, Pater Edmund",
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"text": "Yes. And worse, I go to CHURCH. Atheist, in church. Every Sunday.",
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"text": "What? Why do you do that?",
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"text": "Oh, Catholic wife, or something?",
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"text": "But Pater Edmund, since you pay such good attention to the objections, and present the pro-middle ages argument so briefly, I was more convinced of my own opinion after reading the post.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, it would have been fun if you were at the Congressional Convention in 1787. You could have asked the Founders what they meant by God. You could have also asked what they meant by \"nature.\" Then you could report back to TNET, did they really mean the same thing as what we mean. It is too bad we cannot do that.",
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"text": "I really don't have a modern caricature view of the middle ages, btw. I just think you Catholic revisionists revise too hard in the other direction",
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"text": "\"revisionist\" -- reduced to ad hominem argument, Samantha?",
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"text": "You guys have been ad homineming *me* for thousands of comments already!",
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"text": "Not once. ever...... i don't think.",
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"text": "trolling, yes. Ad feminam, no.",
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"text": "You want to revise the received wisdom about the Middle Ages. It's descriptive, not ad hominem",
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"text": "My daughter Ioved beer as a 2 year oId. She puIIed an O'DouI's from the mini mart and so I bought it for her. The horrified Iooq she made when she tasted it was priceIess.",
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"text": "\"the received wisdom\" --- I object to your epistemic authority. And your equivocal use of the term \"wisdom\"",
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"text": "Michael, right that's the whole basis of our e-friendship, remember?",
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"text": "but was it a Newtonian deist clockwork nature? or the natural Aristotelian hylomorphic nature?",
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"text": "Labels are helpful for mental sorting.",
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"text": "Scott, the Founders were wrote in a very poIite manner and often used carefuIIy worded euphimisms and phrases to be as incIusive as possibIe and to avoid any obvious dismissaI of any group. \nAgain, freedom of reIigion wouIdn't be an issue if they thought everyone beIieved in the same thing or the same concept of God.",
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"text": "When the founders spoke of \"usurpations\" they were not speaking of work place inequality. Thanks for clarifying all this for the nation. I feel we can all move forward, together, and united.",
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"text": "I continue to be amazed at how basically reasonable our Scottegrine sounds after returning from a massive implosion.",
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"text": "Maybe it's a Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Hyde type situation",
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"text": "Or, like, the Hulk",
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"text": "...... pretty simple really. Stay away from a few issues and it's all ok. Scott is the epistemic authority of tNET [Do I need to repost the rules of the cave?]",
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"text": "And the other person knows what you mean and everyone agrees to not dig deeper.",
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"text": "well, to be fair, most medieval languages are just dumbed down Latin.\nFrench is what happens when Germans try to speak Latin",
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"text": "Heh.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Ed-- if that's true it's shockingly contrary to received wisdom. I don't suppose you know what he bases this on?",
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"text": "Also, most people where? In the cities?",
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"text": "Why wouId someone read their native tongues in most cases? What wouId exist for them to read? Not much. If anything.",
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"text": "That seems true",
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"text": "what was written in the vernacular before 1300? drinking songs? Probably didn't have song books for those",
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"text": "why do I hate tNET? it makes me defend things I don't like defending.",
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"text": "But after all, giving concrete examples of high points in actual time and place is not necessary in these sorts of arguments.",
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"text": "Ah, the common good. \nI believe it is best achieved when the fact that one wealthy billionaire has sexual relations with another it affects the welfare of millions of people they rule by virtue of their incestuously deficient genes and their disproportionate wealth.",
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"text": "what kind of peasant gets a holiday, certainly not one farming. That's a 24/7 \"job\"",
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"text": "or vocation",
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"text": "But \"most people\" read and wrote it their common language? I don't know. I don't believe it.",
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"text": "Maybe he meant \"most clerics?\"",
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"text": "In some times and places some scholars do make a strong claim they had a lot of holidays. Of course, they also had a lot of work to do keeping their living quarters and arrangements together.",
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"text": "Where's Ed? Come back here and engage with my skepticism",
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"text": "There are seasons in which farmers have less to do. And in some times and places they almost constitute a union you didn't want to piss off as a Lord.",
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"text": "But if we are going to bitch about capitalism's inequality, we may want to avoid ignoring the structural inequality of the situation for many throughout the Middle Ages.\nAnd then with a little freedom those people started to constitute a middle class. And this is what every modern intellectual hates most, right or left.",
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"text": "Ah, the common good.\nWhy set up a system in which both rich and poor, few and many, and all in between can argue and duke it out and a majority faction will be hard to form?\nWhy not just give power to an elite few to umpire and moderate the claims of all sides regardless of majority will - screw mitigating it! Madison speaks of this in 51.\nCrazy, I know, but as it turns out sometimes giving supreme power to the few leads to oligarchic rule.\nWhich is why any sensible aristocratic system would try to structurally check power and force deliberation when it comes to the power of the few - especially via the rule of the one and the many - over and above trying to educate them well while explaining the hellfire that awaited them for abusing their power.\nWhich is what Madison wants to do in regard to the ultimate power in a Republic - find ways to check and force deliberation re the many, and add in powers of the one and the few into the system as such a check.",
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"text": "\"It is through prayer that men come to the unitive knowledge of God. But the life of prayer is also a life of mortification, of dying to self. It cannot be otherwise; for the more there is of self, the less there is of God. Our pride, our anxiety, our lusts for power and pleasure are God-eclipsing things. So too is that greedy attachment to certain creatures which passes too often for unselfishness and should be called, not altruism, but alter-egoism. And hardly less God-eclipsing is the seemingly self-sacrificing service which we give to any cause or ideal that falls short of the divine. Such service is always idolatry, and makes it impossible for us to worship God as we should, much less to know Him. God's kingdom cannot come unless we begin by making our human kingdoms go. Not only the mad and obviously evil kingdoms, but also the respectable ones - the kingdoms of the scribes and pharisees, the good citizens and pillars of society, no less than the kingdoms of the publicans and sinners. God's being cannot be known by us, if we choose to pay our attention and our allegiance to something else, however creditable that something else may seem in the eyes of the world.\"",
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"text": "Sonya is ill and has lost several children over a short span. Tolstoy, that most empathetic fellow, writes \"There is no worse situation for a healthy man than to have a sick wife.\"",
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"text": "Tolstoy. Cared deeply about humanity writ large...",
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"text": "\"Stop being sick - this is making my life difficult! Why are you so selfish?!?\"",
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"text": "but a really odd mix of deist \"Christianity\" and anarchism",
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"text": "I did not post slander against you Isak. I was merely representing your conversation. I was just saying how imprudent I felt it was for the founders of the college to describe Western academia as a tyranny. That is fair.",
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"text": "\"Idolatry consists in loving a creature more than we love God. There are many kinds of idolatry, but all have one thing in common: namely, self-love. The presence of self-love is obvious in the grosser forms of sensual indulgence, or the pursuit of wealth and power and praise. Less manifestly, but none the less fatally, it is present in our inordinate affections for individuals, persons, places, things and institutions. And even in men's most heroic sacrifices to high causes and noble ideals, self-love has its tragic place. For when we sacrifice ourselves to any cause or ideal that is lower than the highest, less than God Himself, we are merely sacrificing one part of our unregenerate being to another part which we and other people regard as more creditable. Self-love still persists, still prevents us from obeying perfectly the first of the two great commandments. God can be loved perfectly only by those who have killed out the subtlest, the most nobly sublimated forms of self-love. When this happens, when we love God as we should and therefore know God as love, the tormenting problem of evil ceases to be a problem, the world of time is seen to be an aspect of eternity, and in some inexpressible way, but no less really and certainly, the struggling, chaotic multiplicity of life is reconciled in the unity of the all-embracing divine charity.\"",
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"text": "No, it was not. It was accurate. Sorry you do not see it this way.",
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"text": "you could be sorry for being a bombastic jerk..... but that may be asking too much.",
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"text": "Isak, you sound like more of an anarchist than I do....",
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"text": "I'm not talking about you calling me a jerk. That's no worse than me calling you a butthead. I'm talking about you calling me a heretic, and calling shame on me for supposedly disrespecting the Blessed Mother whom I love dearly. I was not involved in that conversation that got you in such a huff. What I think of the topic and the way it was handled is irrelevant. You accused me of things you have no right to. You slandered me.",
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"text": "Michael - #huxleygnosis #anarchygnosis",
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"text": "So sit down and shut up, please, Scott, unless you're going to apologize.",
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"text": "No, I do not owe you an apology, and you should have the humility to not need one. I am learning how to converse with you super intelligent people. It can be a challenge sometimes when you remarkable scholars of Aristotle and Thomas say things like the Founders did not mean God when they said God, and the like.",
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"text": "You should not have been silent, in regards to Mary. I am glad you love Her.",
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"text": "[Founders are wrong heresy. I sense another anathema.]",
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"text": "blah - you just don't have the #gnosis Scott. you missed the point and got huffy for no reason, and didn't read or understand anyone's explanation.",
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"text": "and I don't think the protestants (of some varieties) believe in the same God as I do. But the reality is one. We should keep the distinction between the reality of God separate from the varied beliefs/teachings of God",
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"text": "I dunno, I think of the 13th century as the high point of the middle ages with Albert, Aquinas, Bonaventure, Scotus and Ockham",
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"text": "so if the middle ages stretch from 450 to 1400, we've got too much time to generalize",
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"text": "but I think everything from 1100-1400 or so would be \"typical middle ages\".",
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"text": "what's post-Roman then?",
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"text": "how about the Venerable Bede?",
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"text": "Are you really blaming me for not being present when a conversation occurred? Either I was sleeping or out doing something else. When I came back TNET was gone. What is wrong with you?",
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"text": "Michael-- you don't think we worship the same God?",
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"text": "BEGGING for an apology? Fuck you, Scott. You never apologized for telling people to go to hell either.",
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"text": "Not the same as yours?",
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"text": "Are you suggesting a desire for a state religion?",
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"text": "Where? In England? Europe as a whole?",
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"text": "I think the context was Europe as a whole",
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"text": "Here is Mowgli, learning to trust the expert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM\nTrust in Me (English)- Jungle Book\nKaa singing \"Trust in Me\" from the Disney movie: THE JUNGLE BOOK\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Samantha, I don't think so, I'll ask him for sources next time I see him.",
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"text": "Sorry to be so skeptical. It's just a very surprising claim.",
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"text": "I am starting the freedom literacy movement: \"liberate yourself from the epistemic authorities.\" THAT should keep the medieval stereotype going another 10k comments.",
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"text": "A more liberal (less reflective) version of Samantha meets a considerably more dyspeptic Pater Edmund: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOuVhn_yRw\nbad vicar\nmitchell and web bad vicar\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "These are all the notes I have from that particular part of class:\n\"- initially they wanted to educate their people to talk/read Latin and preach\n- preaching often in vernacular\n- in medieval latin 'Litteratus' means you could read Latin, not just read simply\"",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, German purity laws do not distinguish beer from non beer, and they are post-medieval. They distinguish lagers from ales (using older definitions of those terms, where lager was a hopped beer, and ale was not)\nIndeed, hops only began to be used in the 11th century. The reason for the German purity laws, and especially the requirement of only hopped beer, and no grute ales, was because of a growing tendency, by newer brewers, to add toxic plants to the mash. Whereas anise and mugwort and the like were staples, newer brewers had been less scrupolous, adding deadly nightshade for example.\nRather than punish brewers who used toxic plants, they simply banned using anything other than hops as an additive. But that is to mandate a particular style of beer, not distinguish beer from non beer\nIt also prevented other additives besides hops in hopped beer. So both grute ales and, e.g., an Oatmeal Chocolate Stout would be banned\nBest beer I ever brewed was based on this recipe: http://www.gruitale.com/rec_mugwort_stout.htm\ngruitale.com :: Gruit Ale & Unhopped Beers, Brewing Herbs and Recipes\nGruit Ale & Unhopped Beers, Brewing Herbs and Recipes\nGRUITALE.COM|BY ALEXANDRE BESSETTE",
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"text": "Joel HF!!! I don't know if we can be friends anymore!!",
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"text": "I have literally never been so offended in my entire life!!!!",
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"text": "It was a joke!",
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"text": "And I thought it was mostly offensive towards the pro state religion side.",
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"text": "kinda like the Johnson quote \"little Latin, less Greek\" signifying a gradeschool level knowledge, not complete ignorance. Just not the reading of all the great works in the original.",
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"text": "If I ever say \"I'm spiritual but not religious\" you have my permission to put me down for my own good!",
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"text": "NB: I don't think those characters actually resemble anyone here.",
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"text": "THen maybe you shouldn't have called that woman a \"version of Samantha!\"",
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"text": "The Vicar gets all the good lines in that clip!",
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"text": "\"not particularly religious?\" \"spiritual?\" \"interested?\" are you testing me, Satan?",
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"text": "\"This is a place of peace!\" \"Oh please, that's a very recent idea, and NOT one I think is going to catch on!\"",
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"text": "Well I don't know the literacy rate exactly in the middle ages. It did increase in some areas to a majority, but I think those were execeptions (such as some small communes, including one that tried to restore the Roman senate in the 12th century)\nThe rise of cathedral schools, colleges and finally universities (11th-13th centuries) did see a rise in literacy, among the clergy and religious certainly (especially among nuns actually). Don't think it spread to laity that much until later (which is why many \"clerical\" positions in government were still held by clerics)\nBut we could at least say this...the people weren't as ignorant as many would have you believe. Jacques Fournier's accounts of interviews with regular peasants and the like is fascinating for both showing the country simplicity of speech, but an amazing breadth of knowledge among the lowest rung. They knew their faith better than many literate today. Even knew the bible better (though, in fairness, their retelling of biblical stories were often embellished in hilarious ways)",
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"text": "I only meant the comparison insofar as you were on the pro religious liberty side. Rewatching the clip, I can see how the unjust comparison would rankle. My humble apologies.",
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"text": "Ok, I just put a warm beer in the fridge and then, two minutes later, removed it again when I went to grab a beer.",
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"text": "This is a tragedy.",
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"text": "Samantha, do we believe in the same God? IDK your belief-structure.",
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"text": "I believe I'm going to take the kids to the lego store this evening....",
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"text": "It seems to me that Avicenna and Thomas Aquinas believed in the same God.",
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"text": "why not?",
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"text": "Or, at least, they believed in a God who's existence could be demonstrated by the same argument.",
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"text": "I highly doubt that. Edward. yeah, you can prove god.",
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"text": "unmoved mover, first cause, personal, probably even loving, but not Triune.",
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"text": "Joshua is making me nostalgic for the medieval age and becoming illiterate. Hear that, Beitia. Old skool epistemic authority was more enlightened. ",
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"text": "Yes, but how good a Muslim was Avicenna?",
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"text": "sure, but the former part is what is referred to by Romans 1:20",
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"text": "that I don't know",
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"text": "For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.",
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"text": "http://quran.com/4/171\nSurat An-Nisa' [4:171] - The Noble Qur'an - \u0627\u0644\u0642\u0631\u0622\u0646 \u0627\u0644\u0643\u0631\u064a\u0645\nSurat An-Nisa' [verse 171] - O People of the Scripture, do...\nQURAN.COM",
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"text": "What Protestants do you think worship a different God than you? Just ones with heretical views on the Trinity?",
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"text": "I think Avicenna was probably a fairly good Muslim. At least, Averro\u00ebs criticizes him for mixing religious teachings (which, for Averroes, are only persuasive and not primary truths) with philosphy.",
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"text": "In fact, I think the Church has declared Mormon baptisms to be invalid",
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"text": "If the Church says we have valid baptism, then I think you need to acknowledge that we have the same God",
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"text": "Why I didn't answer the Peregrinator way above. It gets tricky when you start mixing up natural religion with heresy and false religion. But pretty sure that Deism = false religion. Jurt don' want to argue it.",
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"text": "you didn't grow up in a predominantly Mormon area Edward",
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"text": "\"The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has given a negative response to a \"Dubium\" regarding the validity of Baptism conferred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, more commonly known as the Mormons. Given that this decision changes the past practice of not questioning the validity of such Baptism, it seems appropriate to explain the reasons that have led to this decision and to the resulting change of practice.\"",
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"text": "But under Hinckley they are trying to be accepted by mainstream protestantism, deemphasizing the wackier ideas.",
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"text": "I think one could argue that Mormon's can't validly baptize because they don't think the Trinity is what the Church says it is.",
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"text": "Edward: because they perpetrated greater fraud? You like them more?",
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"text": "(and I'm not intending to criticize any particular non-Catholic)",
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"text": "Mormons can validly baptise, the same way an atheist could...if they intend to do what the Church does, e.g. if a Catholic mom gets in an accident and her baby is dying and a Mormon comes to assist, and she says I am Catholic, I want you to baptise the baby etc, that would be valid",
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"text": "I'm criticizing all of them ",
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"text": "Here's a question for you egg-heads--most of the sacraments require a very minimal intention by the minister of the sacrament: \"do what the church does.\" Even if the minister misunderstands or disbelieves what the church proclaims is done in the various sacraments, he still validly baptizes as long as he intends to \"do that thing called baptism.\"\nRecently, a lot of ink has been shed questioning whether many/most marriages are invalid b/c the intention of the ministers (i.e. the married couple) is incorrect. E.g. the married couple intends to use abc, or intends to probably get divorced, or something like that.",
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"text": "Well, they probably don't do valid baptisms then",
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"text": "Why the greater requirement for intention in marriage?",
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"text": "Episcopalians are ceasing to be actual Christians, in that many don't validly baptise (creator, redeemer, sanctifier crap). Same goes for the mainstream presybyterians.",
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"text": "(And forgive any errors in terminology.)",
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"text": "What does Unam Sanctam say? I forgot.",
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"text": "Intending to use abc does not invalidate a marriage",
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"text": "hey, I already got lambasted for that, John",
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"text": "I've heard the opposite of that, Joshua Kenz",
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"text": "There isn't a greater intention, there are stupid American tribunals trying to \"established precedent\" even though stare decisis is not a thing in canon law",
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"text": "Ilots of secular marriages I've been to lately didn't even have vows.",
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"text": "And then you heard wrong",
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"text": "really. I missed it, Beitia.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--this was my suspicion. So is the old school \"manualist\" answer for degree of intention need more or less the same in Marriage as in Baptism, confession, etc.?",
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"text": "Scott called me a Heretic on Isak's fb for that specifically.",
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"text": "With Mormon Baptisms, though, I'd wonder if they could form the correct intention, given their own preconceptions about Baptism.",
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"text": "Look, are you handing marital rights over to the other, freely? That is the essence here. Intending to hold off children, or only have two, or even not to have any children does not invalidate in and of itself, nor does the belief in the possibility of divorce",
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"text": "An atheist can, so why not",
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"text": "seriously Edward, grow up in Mormon-dense Idaho. it isn't a religion, it's a ponzi scheme",
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"text": "It doesn't matter what they belief. The sacramental context differs",
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"text": "B/c a horribly heretical priest who disbelieves in transubstantiation will still perform a valid mass (assuming proper matter and form), w/ even a super minimalistic intention of \"doing the thing catholics call a mass\"",
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"text": "And that is so incredible and beautiful!!",
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"text": "the handling of marriage in recent years is puzzling",
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"text": "What if you don't intend fidelity?",
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"text": "Now if a couple marries with the intention of having it only last a few years, that would be invalid. If one marries with the intention to not have children, such that, if the other spouse requested it, they would refuse and such that not having hildren is, as it were, a condition of their marriage, that would be invalid.",
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"text": "Sure it does matter what they believe, Joshua, the Mormon person if \"intention to do what the Church does\" is necessary for a valid sacrament then if the Mormon intends a Mormon baptism or such, it wouldn't be valid either.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I think Joshua Kenz is right, a mormon could perform a baptism, e.g. in an emergency on the battlefield or whatever. But Joshua Kenz, it'd still be a question (and the CDF has answered in the negative) concerning \"mormon baptisms.\"",
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"text": "(unless something has changed since Aquinas)",
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"text": "Intended non-fidelity would also make it invalid.",
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"text": "my suspicion: lots of null nullifications. Benedict raised an eyebrow over it a few years ago.",
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"text": "even if a Mormon or atheist baptizes someone, after the emergency if the person survives then there would still be a conditional baptism",
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"text": "But to marry thinking no children is not invalid, as long as the no children is not, explicitly or implicitly, a condition of marriage. Just as if one intended infidelity from the get go, and so on.\nAgain, Langley, anyone and I mean anyone can baptise validly. Just because I am an atheist or a buddhist or even a Satanist, does not prevent me, in se, from a valid intention",
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"text": "careful John, remember the canons of Trent",
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"text": "Wouldn't prima facie acceptance of the possibility of divorce invalidate the \"til death\" part of the vows?",
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"text": "divorce can be licit. It's the \"remarriage\" thing that is illicit",
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"text": "IOW, a baptism at the request of a dying mother is by its very circumstance and place not a Mormon baptism. What matters is the sacramental signification. And that is there",
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"text": "By \"Mormon baptism,\" I mean the baptism given by Mormons to Mormons in a Mormon church. So the difference is that a mormon could intend to do what christians do, same as any other minister of baptism, on the battlefield for instance. But the question is what they intend in the specifically mormon ceremony called baptism.",
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"text": "True...",
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"text": "Joshua, I guess I accept this \"anyone and I mean anyone can baptise validly\" in principle, but I wonder about what the conditions for a valid baptism are in practice: what exactly is \"intending to do what the Church does\".",
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"text": "Langley it means I intend to do a baptism, even though I think it bullshit and stupid, fine I will do your \"baptism\". That suffices.",
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"text": "No, Mrs. Cohoe, it does not",
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"text": "So, all the other person has to do is pour the water and say the right words?",
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"text": "Don't remember, Beitia.",
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"text": "W/ the right intention. If you are doing it as part of a play, or something, that'd be an obvious example of lacking the right intention.",
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"text": "But that, to me, implies a question about whether + to what degree one's preconceived notions can hinder formation of a correct intention.",
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"text": "Funny thing though. I deeply believe that Jesus was gay and that he never believed he was the son of anyone aside from Joseph. But your heretical (to me) and incorrect beliefs don't bother or offend me. I just find them to be...odd.",
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"text": "In the case of most of the sacraments, the \"intention\" required is pretty darn low, as far as I can tell. And w/ the possible exception of marriage, which even by Mr. Kenz's account is at least slightly higher than baptism.",
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"text": "Beitia, divorce is per se illicit. Even in the rare case where divorce (a vinculis) is even possible, it is granted as a privilege or indulgence, not a right, And only by the Church.\nThe state has no authority to claim a divorce a vinculis. However, since the Church does nto recognize dissolution of the bond performed by the Church, or annulments of the Church, and since the conditions of separation with the bond remaining often are different in the Church than separation in civil law (and so too the effects), we are allowed to use, as it were a legal fiction, civil divorce for purely civil effects.\nBut only when separation is justified (interestingly I have never met a Catholic who followed Church law on separation...and there is law there)",
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"text": "Who is John Ashman?",
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"text": "Ashman, gayness is a modern construct. No one was gay before 1800",
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"text": "That's why the hypothetical is interesting: could the Mormon invalidly baptize in extremis because he intends to do what the Mormon church does?",
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"text": "Joshua, I know:\nCANON VIII.-If any one saith, that the Church errs, in that she declares that, for many causes, a separation may take place between husband and wife, in regard of bed, or in regard of cohabitation, for a determinate or for an indeterminate period; let him be anathema.",
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"text": "Perhaps I just don't understand what people mean by the \"sacramental context\"",
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"text": "Edward Langley, my understanding is that it is for that reason that the Church requires conditional rebaptism for cases like that.",
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"text": "Then Mr. Langley he would not be doing what the Catholi mother asked, IOW not my example",
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"text": "The intention need in marriage is not a slightly higher account Joel HF those examples of invalid intentions involve actually repugning the thing that is marriage. E.g. if a priest is heretical, he may still celebrate Mass, though he doesn't believe in it. But he can say the words over the matter and not intend the sacrament,.",
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"text": "What is \"church law on separation?\"",
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"text": "SEPARATION WITH THE BOND REMAINING\nCan. 1151 Spouses have the duty and right to preserve conjugal living unless a legitimate cause excuses them.\nCan. 1152 \u00a71. Although it is earnestly recommended that a spouse, moved by Christian charity and concerned for the good of the family, not refuse forgiveness to an adulterous partner and not disrupt conjugal life, nevertheless, if the spouse did not condone the fault of the other expressly or tacitly, the spouse has the right to sever conjugal living unless the spouse consented to the adultery, gave cause for it, or also committed adultery.\n\u00a72. Tacit condonation exists if the innocent spouse has had marital relations voluntarily with the other spouse after having become certain of the adultery. It is presumed, moreover, if the spouse observed conjugal living for six months and did not make recourse to the ecclesiastical or civil authority.\n\u00a73. If the innocent spouse has severed conjugal living voluntarily, the spouse is to introduce a cause for separation within six months to the competent ecclesiastical authority which, after having investigated all the circumstances, is to consider carefully whether the innocent spouse can be moved to forgive the fault and not to prolong the separation permanently.\nCan. 1153 \u00a71. If either of the spouses causes grave mental or physical danger to the other spouse or to the offspring or otherwise renders common life too difficult, that spouse gives the other a legitimate cause for leaving, either by decree of the local ordinary or even on his or her own authority if there is danger in delay.\n\u00a72. In all cases, when the cause for the separation ceases, conjugal living must be restored unless ecclesiastical authority has established otherwise.\nCan. 1154 After the separation of the spouses has taken place, the adequate support and education of the children must always be suitably provided.\nCan. 1155 The innocent spouse laudably can readmit the other spouse to conjugal life; in this case the innocent spouse renounces the right to separate.",
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"text": "That's it? No other causes?",
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"text": "Well moralists usually allow for a temporary separation, by mutual consent, e.g. when a father works as a migrant worker",
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"text": "But \"otherwise renders common life too difficult\" is a broad statement, no?",
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"text": "Well, that's pretty strict.",
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"text": "Yes, I suppose so. I missed that line on the first read.",
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"text": "the \"tacit condonation\" part is definitely a hard teaching.",
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"text": "Catholic teaching on marriage is pretty hard generally. But then again, so is Christ in the scriptures.",
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"text": "Well of course it is. We don't call it the bond of marriage for nothing",
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"text": "Vinculo Matrimonii",
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"text": "Chains!",
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"text": "Doesn't seem like it takes into account the potential for power differential within a marriage, and the intense pressure there might be on the innocent spouse not to immediately disrupt common life",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6xU96KLBL4\n#chained_gnosis",
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"text": "FWIW, I like the 1917 wording better\nART. II: De separatione tori, mensae et habitationis.\nCan 1128. Coniuges servare debent vitae coniugalis communionem, nisi iusta causa eos excuset.\nCan 1129 \u00a71. Propter coniugis adulterium, alter coniux, manente vinculo, ius habet solvendi, etiam in perpetuum, vitae communionem, nisi in crimen consenserit, aut eidem causam dederit, vel illud expresse aut tacite condonaverit, vel ipse quoque idem crimen commiserit.\n\u00a72. Tacita condonatio habetur, si coniux innocens, postquam de crimine adulterii certior factus est, cum altero coniuge sponte, maritali affectu, conversatus fuerit; praesumitur vero, nisi sex intra menses coniugem adulterum expulerit vel dereliquerit, aut legitimam accusationem fecerit.\nCan 1130. Coniux innocens, sive iudicis sententia sive propria auctoritate legitime discesserit, nulla unquam obligatione tenetur coniugem adulterum rursus admittendi ad vitae consortium; potest autem eundem admittere aut revocare, nisi ex ipsius consensu ille statum matrimonio contrarium susceperit.\nCan 1131 \u00a71. Si alter coniux sectae acatholicae nomen dederit; si prolem acatholice educaverit; si vitam criminosam et ignominiosam ducat; si grave seu animae seu corporis periculum alteri facessat; si saevitiis vitam communem nimis difficilem reddat, haec aliaque id genus, sunt pro altero coniuge totidem legitimae causae discedendi, auctoritate Ordinarii loci, et etiam propria auctoritate, si de eis certo constet, et periculum sit in mora.\n\u00a72. In omnibus his casibus, causa separationis cessante, vitae consuetudo restauranda est; sed si separatio ab Ordinario pronuntiata fuerit ad certum incertumve tempus, coniux innocens ad id non obligatur, nisi ex decreto Ordinarii vel exacto tempore.\nCan 1132. Instituta separatione, filii educandi sunt penes coniugem innocentem, et si alter coniugum sit acatholicus, penes coniugem catholicum, nisi in utroque casu Ordinarius pro ipsorum filiorum bono, salva semper eorundem catholica educatione, aliud decreverit.\nIt gives some sense of what constitutes grave harm or making common life too difficult. Suh as becoming a heretic or trying to raise the children as heretics",
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"text": "btw, I'm not really objecting. I would have expected it to be strict.",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, you should read the canonical commentary on this. It is generally admitted, and this isn't new, that having relations under some form of duress can rebut the presumption of tacitly condoning",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "always back to sex with you guys",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I call protestants idolaters and this is where you take it.....",
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"text": "I'd be disappointed if it weren't strict. The day you guys compromise on your various strict principles is the day I can stop wondering if the claims are all true.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "that's very kind of you",
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"text": "Oh, and with regard to the idolatry comment, Michael Beitia, I was told by the chaplains at TAC that there was no need for me to be conditionally rebaptized, and I was baptized by a Presbyterian",
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"text": "So either the TAC chaplains were playing pretty fast and loose with my salvation,",
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"text": "or there is firm consensus that standard Presbyterian baptisms are valid",
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"text": "valid Baptism does not necessarily imply same God. but like I said, not sure how hard to push this one",
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"text": "Mormon baptisms aren't valid because they baptize in the name of their God, who is different. We baptize in the name of the same God.",
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"text": "that is, for a Catholic the reason that Presbyterian or other protestant baptisms are valid is because of the Catholic Church",
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"text": "So our baptisms are good. I don't see another way to read it.",
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"text": "I just answered that",
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"text": "Presbyterians aren't intending to baptize \"as the Catholic Church baptizes\" though",
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"text": "uhm, yeah they are",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "#secretunderlyingcatholicistygnosis",
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"text": "We intend to baptize the way Scripture tells us to baptize. We don't care how the (Roman) Catholic Church baptizes",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "(that's where you got scripture....)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "that's a separate argument, I think",
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"text": "but with regards to same God/different God, I wonder how much can be made from TULIP",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 23047,
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"text": "?",
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"text": "on that note, it's off to the lego store",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "jerk. have fun.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "If they weren't intending in the same way, from the point of view of the church, converts would have to be re baptized or conditionally baptized.",
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"text": "I think it is intended the same way, but that's because we have the same beliefs about God, not because we're trying to do \"what the Catholic Church intends,\" as in the case of the Morman emergency baptism example",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "You know, I wish \"neo-Scholasticism\" meant people started writing commentaries on the Sentences or the Summa or some such work again.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Instead we get a bunch of historical studies written by people trying to get tenure.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Now I want to play with Legos...",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "You know, it'd be nice if some of these arguments were separated out nicely so that people could follow up on them later.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "On some sort of forum-like thing, perhaps.",
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"name": "Annette FitzGerald",
"text": "This discussion of baptism reminds me of a conversation I once overheard between my parents. My mom (protestant) was complaining about my dad's lapsed faith and quoting the text in I Corinthians about unbelievers being \"covered\" by the faith of a believing spouse. My dad wryly replied: \"well, your faith may be what is 'covering' me but my church is what is 'covering' your faith.\"",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, the standard is not to do what the Church intends, but to do what the Church does. You can have your heretical beliefs about what baptism is, but you are still intending to do a \"baptism\". You may think what the Catholic Church believes about baptism is wrong while doing it, but you are still intending \"baptism\", namely to do what Christ ordered the apostles to do.\nThe Mormon's fail at even this standard, not because they don't believe the same about baptism, but because, ultimately, what they call baptism is only called that by equivocation...it differs not from baptising someone in the name of Xenu or in the name of Shiva and Ganesha.\nPut it this way, when an atheist does an emergency baptism, it works, because even though he doesn't believe any of it, he is still intending to do what Christians do, and when he says the words \"Father, Son and Holy Ghost\", however much he doesn't believe those Persons exist, and however deficient is understanding of what we believe about them, he still intends to be doing as Christians do and to be saying the names of our God.\nWhereas Mormons really intend a different god, and only use the same names with pure equivocation, which is why it might as well be in the name of Shiva.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Edward Langley, socraticum.com might take off more if it wasn't constantly down during the day",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "If you have an account with http://socraticum.com, you now can ask a question by just sending an email to replies@socraticum.com, as long as the email address you're sending from is the email address associated with your Socraticum account.\nSocraticum.com\nDiscussion group for the philosophically minded\nSOCRATICUM.COM\nSeptember 26 at 7:04pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley Joshua Kenz, that's odd, I've never seen it down.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And I keep an eye on it, at least seven or eight times a day.",
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"text": "It is much of the time...gives an \"Application Error\" Next time I see it I will send you a screenshot",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Thanks, I'm curious as to what's happening, could you also include a date and time so that I can consult the logs?",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "WHO CAN RECEIVE BAPTISM?\n1246 \"Every person not yet baptized and only such a person is able to be baptized.\" (CCC)",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "I got kicked off of the TAC alum fb page. That's positively medieval.\nIn case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.\nAs regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: \"Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,\"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I'm shocked, shocked.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Gambling? In Casablanca?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Legos? Why not?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "yes, that's the Tower of Orthanc on the right....",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "regarding Baptism:\n3. If any one asserts, that this sin of Adam,--which in its origin is one, and being transfused into all by propagation, not by imitation, is in each one as his own, --is taken away either by the powers of human nature, or by any other remedy than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, santification, and redemption; or if he denies that the said merit of Jesus Christ is applied, both to adults and to infants, by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the church; let him be anathema:",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Is that your collection or at the store?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "a small piece of the collection",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "We always grew up being told that Lego was the one thing that you could never have too much of ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Anybody on Spotify and have a great playlist for an abandoned philosopher's wives' craft night?",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Around here they're called \"philosophy widows.\"",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "that makes it sound so permanent",
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"text": "they're here see ya tNET",
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"text": "I want in on this philosopher widow's craft night..",
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"text": "Michael Beitia \"kids what did I say about touching dad's Legos\"",
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"text": "no they're all the kids'. My sister \"appropriated\" my legos from youth and now they are locked in a storage unit somewhere in Southwestern Idaho...",
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"text": "Hahaha... I still have mine. After taking the kids to the movie they told me \"we have all the 1980's spaceman ones at home\"... \"Yup\"",
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"text": "Anyone have any tips to give me for reading the Illiad... I have such a hard time following it every time I read it and should probably do a better job since I have to lead a discussion on it next Friday...",
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"text": "Cliff notes.",
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"name": "John Boyer",
"text": "Well here is the odyssey http://youtu.be/qf3XrZW2o4I\nHomer's Odyssey - Thug Notes Summary and Analysis\nI have heard the Siren's song. And all they say is...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Lauren Ogrodnick",
"text": "Haha! I love those!",
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"text": "Oh great, I asked for advice from my husband and now he showed me how to Wikipedia every person/town/etc on my kindle... I knew there was a reason I wouldn't like this kindle thing... (Disclaimer: kindle is being used because of the ease of reading while taking care of a newborn)",
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"text": "tip one: skim the list of ships",
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"text": "tip two: Armor is important",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\"philosopher widows craft\" doesn't have a homey feel at night. Caleb is \"gone\". What kind of craft is that?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Samantha: https://play.spotify.com/.../playlist/3OyYF0LlX51u2xMnFHV0eX\nLive Like Isak\nBy Isak Benedict\nSave",
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"text": "tip three: Book one starts with anger, book 24 ends with magnanimity.",
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"text": "tip four: DONT mess with Diomedes:\nhttp://greekmythcomix.wordpress.com/.../deaths-in-the.../\nDeaths in the Iliad: a Classics Infographic\nAs requested: buy this as a poster in the UK! Or buy this as a poster in the US! NEW: go here to find out exactly how...\nGREEKMYTHCOMIX.WORDPRESS.COM",
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"text": "re. Iliad: outline the whole thing. Worthwhile if you have time. ",
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"text": "Lauren - if you can find anything by Glenn Arbery, I have found his lectures and commentaries on the Iliad quite good!",
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"text": "http://www.amazon.com/Why.../dp/1882926595/ref=sr_1_1...\nWhy Literature Matters: Permanence and the Politics of Reputation\nThrough an examination of the work of poets and...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "okay, this is too funny (salty language):\nhttp://www.badassoftheweek.com/diomedes.html\nBadass of the Week: Diomedes\nThe ultimate list of all badasses past and present.\nBADASSOFTHEWEEK.COM",
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"text": "^Love that site",
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"text": "Michael - salty language?! On TNET?!?!",
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"text": "shit, I like to fucking warn people",
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"text": "Pretty sure I managed to go 23,000+ comments without dropping the big one and then came the troll again",
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"text": "the problem, for me, is that working in a blue collar, male dominated, industry, I hear the f-bomb approximately 5000 times a day. never in reference to anything, but more like the trashy way of saying \"uh\"",
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"text": "I do this at work, with variations:\nhttp://xkcd.com/90/\nxkcd: Jacket\nWarning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor...\nXKCD.COM",
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"text": "It does tend to lose its rhetorical power with frequent use. I think that's the point with those words you can't say on TV.",
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"text": "Assuming they have seen the original three, when, if ever, is it permissible to allow one's children to watch Lucas's last three Star Wars movies?",
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"text": "Great question. I say never. If they want to do it themselves when they've left the house, that's their decision.",
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"text": "there was an argument at the pit when I was a senior that went along the lines that the f-bomb must always be said violently. Fleury, RIP, ended it by muttering \"that's fucking stupid\"",
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"text": "What's the point of having words you can't use unless you use them? ",
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"text": "My older kids have seen them. The are natural born (that's I lie, it is imitation) critics.",
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"text": "Matthew - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxf1c3fzDOU\nStar Wars Episode I: What Went Wrong\nThe true account of why Episode I was simply terrible.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "\"Jar Jar is a key to all this.\"",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, you earlier today invited some thoughts on Federalist 51. I posted what follows below on my thread about Plato's Laws, but I am posting it here as well in response to your invitation.\nReturning to the problem of embracing division as a principle, which the Athenian Stranger so beautifully unfolds, it is worth noting that \"divide and conquer\" has always been the preferred method of tyrants for atomizing a people. In Federalist 51, Madison employs this principle with a vengeance: \"This policy of supplying, by opposite and rival interests, the defect of better motives, might be traced through the whole system of human affairs, private as well as public. We see it particularly displayed in all the subordinate distributions of power, where the constant aim is to DIVIDE and arrange the several offices in such a manner as that each may be a check on the other--that the private interest of every individual may be a sentinel over the public rights.\" Since the legislative authority necessarily predominates in a republican government, the remedy is to DIVIDE it into different branches. As for the government as a whole: \"In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first DIVIDED between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subDIVIDED among distinct and separate departments.\" Finally, society itself \"will be BROKEN into so many parts, interests and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority.\" The problem here is not so much the fact that a government would have different branches or centers of authority. Many governments long before the American experiment had similar divisions. The problem is Madison's willingness to so thoroughly embrace division as a principle in the absence of any apparent concern for \"better motives.\" As he famously wrote, \"Ambition must be made to counter ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place.\" This spirit of division and contention is so thoroughly embraced that it breeds and gives license to a people and statesmen who are indifferent to virtue and self-restraint. After all, one serves the \"general good\" when one acts ambitiously, or so we are taught. Every American schoolboy from time immemorial as been taught to sing the praises of the saving graces of \"checks and balances,\" as if the system alone were sufficient to replace the need for virtue. In Choruses from the Rock, T.S. Eliot had this to say about men like Madison and his Enlightenment friends.\nThey constantly try to escape\nFrom the darkness outside and within\nBy dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.\nBut the man that is shall shadow\nThe man that pretends to be.\nThis profound poetic insight brings us to the heart of the Enlightenment project and the Madisonian proposal to turn away from virtue to embrace a system that seizes on ambition and harnesses it to achieve the so-called \"common good.\"\nI therefore do not find persuasive Matthew J. Peterson's argument that Madison's proposal is made on behalf of justice and the common good simply because he employs these terms. Madison says in Federalist 10 that \"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit.\" But what does Madison mean by \"justice\"? Based on this passage and others like it, it seems clear that Madison identifies justice with liberty. For Madison, justice is not, as St. Thomas defined it, \"a habit whereby a man renders to each one his due with constant and perpetual will.\" Justice in this traditional sense requires giving God and neighbor what they are due, as opposed to Madisonian justice which is the accidental outcome of ambition having been made to counteract ambition so that men can then get whatever they can get in the interstices. \nAnd so we are left with Eliot's question: \nWhat life have you, if you have not life together?\nThere is not life that is not in community,\nAnd no community not lived in praise of GOD.",
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"text": "I got dragged to that movie the summer between Junior and senior year. AWEFUL",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, here's a companion piece to the above from my thread on Plato's Laws. There you wrote: \"First off, if you hold that government can get rid of the latent causes of faction, methinks you should read some of that olde time Christian religion, and the words of Jesus Christ in the gospels, all of which suggest that something beyond human wrought laws is needed.\"\nI do not recall anyone saying that government can simply get rid of faction. But a few of us have faulted Madison for turning away from the traditional political art, the business of which is the care of souls, which art would require a statesman to concern himself with the causes of faction. That Madison rejected this ancient ideal is, I think, undeniable since in Federalist 10 Madison explicitly rejects dealing with causes of faction. (If Madison speaks or acts contrary to this principle elsewhere, that is another matter that I cannot address here at the moment.)\nIn response to your claim that the Christian religion and the words of Jesus Himself suggest that something supernatural is needed to overcome faction, I wholeheartedly agree. But that is quite a different point and it does not, as you seem to suggest, put Madison in the Christian camp. St. Augustine's City of God makes this clear. There St. Augustine insists that the natural virtues are essential to human happiness, even though he is quick to point out their limitations. The natural virtues are necessary but not sufficient to perfect us. We need the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity to overcome the factions in our souls. But that is not because the natural virtues are unnecessary. St. Augustine does not reject them or the effort required to establish therm in our souls. He simply insists that the natural virtues cannot on their own make us happy, for the natural virtues require constant effort so that we might win the battle within ourselves against our own propensities to sin. Hence, even when we defeat temptation and act justly, temperately, courageously and prudently, we still cannot be at rest because it is a constant battle against our fallen nature. Yet this does not mean we should be indifferent to the effort to discipline ourselves in order to be good. After all, despite our fallen nature, we are ordered both naturally and supernaturally to what is good. Hence, there is no agreement here between true Christianity and Madison's willingness to give up on the causes of faction and deal with the effects only. I have argued elsewhere that I think Madison's view of nature is non-teleological, and that is the essential difference between Madison and the traditional Christian thinkers. Having faction in our souls is not our natural condition; it is our fallen state. Yet we remain oriented by nature to the good, and that orientation is not destroyed by original sin. Hence, the political art is obliged to address the causes of faction even though it cannot, as you rightly point out, get rid of faction without supernatural assistance.",
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"text": "I'm sorry, Jeffrey Bond, but this argument is odd to me. It seems evident on the face of things that people have their private interest (factually) and pursue it. And, given the fallen state of man, and the propensity to sinfulness, it happens that frequently men do not attempt to gain their natural or supernatural end. That is the matter of politics.\nTaking Federalist 10 or 51 out of the context of a rhetorical and persuasive argument for the formation of a union, and making it a political philosophy in itself, is odd, and I think unfair to the text.",
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"text": "I don't see why it is odd to unpack the assumptions behind a political document, especially one that has been hailed as the sole contribution by an American to the history of political thought. The rhetorical context does not change the principles involved. Yes, fallen man is known to pursue his self-interest. The question is, how does the political art address this fact. Madison's proposal takes a certain path. Why can we not critique it, especially since it has been so formative of the American psyche.",
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"text": "IDK, Aristotle himself spends more time discussing the \"mixed regime\" - which is what the American Republic is - than any other regime.",
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"text": "But Aristotle first sets forth the principles by which he can meaningfully descend to the particulars. And he puts those principles into play in his analysis. He does not abandon the notion of a best regime in his effort to analyze actual existing regimes.",
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"text": "\"Best\" is not the same as \"possible\"",
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"text": "Of course. But possible cannot be evaluated without a view to the best. That is the hallmark of classical political philosophy.",
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"text": "I gotta bow out tonight. Listening to \"Visions of Johanna\" and drinking cheap TJs beer.\nBut I'll be back. Appreciate the comments.",
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"text": "It is clear that Aristotle thinks kingship or aristocracy is best. This is so because in both cases the ruling power contributes to the good life. When Aristotle investigates the lesser regimes of oligarchy and democracy, he rates and ranks them according to the standards established in evaluating aristocracy and kingship.",
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"text": "Isn't polity a mix of the demos and the aristoi?!? Isn't that the best possible?",
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"text": "I think that aristocracy or kingship being the best is subject to debate, and Aristotle spends much time on the mixed regime because that's what is the best under normal human conditions",
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"text": "Trying. To. Stay. On. Target. And. Off. tNET.",
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"text": "Can we all admit that we live in a different regime than the one Madison et al. founded?",
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"text": "There are a number of senses of best that have to be sorted out. Best in the absolute sense. Best possible. Best for most times and places.",
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"text": "It is clear that kingship and aristocracy are best simply because he uses their contribution to the good life as the measure by which others are judged. Aristotle rewrites the demands of the oligarchs and the democrats so that their claim to rule is based on what they contribute to the good life, not just mere life.",
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"text": "What is the point of reading the Federalists, Matthew J. Peterson? Historical curiosity? Getting to the true meaning of the constitution? Political philosophy?",
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"text": "I'd say historical curiosity, but I'm the one with #perpetualrevolutiongnosis",
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"text": "I think Matthew would say getting to the true meaning of the Constitution, but that would also be part of political philosophy. But when he returns--if he can stay away--I am sure he will answer.",
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"text": "Joel, I think we are living in the logical extension of the regime Madison founded. The principles seem unchanged to me, though equality is fast replacing liberty as the political goal.",
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"text": "\"tolerance is the only virtue in the west\"",
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"text": "Yes, but tolerance as a dogmatic principle rather than as part of the virtue of charity.",
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"text": "yes it is, and \"tolerance\" leads to the worst sort of \"intolerance\" - promotion of vice and outlawing virtue. But I think that is distinct from the founding",
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"text": "The real question is should I have scotch, bourbon, cognac or some sort of gin drink.",
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"text": "All this political stuff is a sign of intellectual laziness ",
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"text": "(preferably an Islay)",
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"text": "Locke was Jefferson's supreme hero. And Locke is the source of the toleration principle you see in action. That was the founding.",
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"text": "not exactly",
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"text": "Why not?",
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"text": "\"However, as we will see in time, during periods of intellectual decadence, of intellectual fatigue, during periods in which intelligences are too exhausted to give themselves to disinterested speculation which in reality conditions all ethical philosophy, during these periods one does nothing but morality.\"\nhttp://www.charlesdekoninck.com/course-notes-on-nietzsche/",
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"text": "Who's in charge of the Charles De Koninck website? that preview is horrendous!",
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"text": "The First Amendment is pure Locke. So are the principles of consent, social contract, sovereignty, etc.",
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"text": "toleration, rightly understood, I think, allows free individuals a social sphere within which to act. The modern \"tolerance\" voices scream down all who make a choice to act contrary to the will of the loudest faction",
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"text": "The modern tolerance factions are just trying to rectify the plight of oppressed minorities . . . and if you don't understand that, you're eeeeeeeeevil.",
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"text": "Actually, a lot of the enlightenment political principles can be traced back to the eve of the High Middle Ages.",
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"text": "Charlie Rich. Such a talented soul. But wild. Boozing. Blazing waste of talent.\nAnd when he comes out with that jazz/blues/American country album after years of silence after years of debauchery and then dies. Well. It does something for me.\nAnd when he sings this song, I think he means it.\nhttp://www.youtube.com/embed/lXqDyytuRvo?autoplay=1\nCharlie Rich \"I Feel Like Going Home\" 1973 Version\nProduced by Billy Sherrill. Issued in 1973 as the B side to...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "http://youtu.be/H1DO7SnZy34\nFeel Like Going Home ~ Charlie Rich + Lyrics Below\n\"Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Ferrier I, on the other hand, might be in. just sayin'",
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"text": "What's next? Little Bobby Dylan and Johnny Cash?",
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"text": "Old country charlie rich does jazz in his old age:\nhttp://youtu.be/pZtX_yJ7k1A\nCharlie Rich ~ Pictures & Paintings\nCharlie Rich performing Pictures & Paintings in 1992.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJeFcOqzdXc\nClaudio Monteverdi - Il ritorno di Ulisse in Patria\nCredits: http://www.allmusic.com/album/monteverdi-il-rito...\nYOUTUBE.COM\nSeptember 26 at 10:36pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 1 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nRichard Delahide Ferrier Merle Haggard.",
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"text": "Waylon Jennings sings about fallen human nature before becoming completely steeped in debauchery:\nhttp://youtu.be/-vEGDSD-fYs\nWaylon Jennings Lay It Down\nWaylon Jennings Lay It Down from The Journey Six Strings Away Box Set. Travelin' down on different roads...\nYOUTUBE.COM|BY WAYLON JENNINGS",
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"text": "Heh, heh, heh:\nhttp://www.youtube.com/embed/ZHAFmFsb9XM?autoplay=1\nMerle Haggard -- The Fightin' Side Of Me\n1968\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Ferrier How did you know, Matthew J. Peterson?",
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"text": "Ferrier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLhH2wCtAQ\nMerle Haggard - Fightin' side of me\nA modern reflection of the song in our Time. (2010-2012)\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Here's Waylon doing a song Charlie Rich made famous:\nhttp://youtu.be/dse6a-wFXDs\nWaylon Jennings.... Good Time Charlie's got the Blues\nI just can't stay away from the ' lonesome on'ry and...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "So good.",
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"text": "\"However, as we will see in time, during periods of intellectual decadence, of intellectual fatigue, during periods in which intelligences are too exhausted to give themselves to disinterested speculation which in reality conditions all ethical philosophy, during these periods one does nothing but morality.\"\nhttp://www.charlesdekoninck.com/course-notes-on-nietzsche/",
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"text": "\"A Thomist cannot view history the history of philosophy otherwise. With St. Thomas we assist in an immense intellectual effort of humanity. St. Thomas was a superman of formidable proportion: and one can say that the difficulties that he encountered in his milieu were proportional to his greatness. Human ignorance has something of the brutal. Although it is not more cruel than weakness. Today we are spoken to always of the persecution of Galileo, when in reality, the difficulties which this man encountered were childishness compared to those of St. Thomas. The middle ages finished by digesting St. Thomas a little. The regional excommunications of his doctrine were lifted, and the Dominican Order set to the work.\nBut the intelligence of humanity was extremely fatigued by this immense effort. (page 23) The curve descends. Scholastic quarrels became more and more verbal. Dogmatic theology would soon cede precedence to moral theology, moral theology also decapitated into theology of sin: the essence of virtue soon became the pure absence of sin. During periods of intellectual decadence, theologians speak only of sin. In order to justify it, they fall into a vicious circle: We speak a great deal about sin, because there is a great deal of it, they say.\nThe descent of the curve lead us to Luther, who has exercised so profound and quasi-determinating an influence on all modern spirituality.\nLuther succumbed to fatigue. He allowed himself to be led by this current of degradation. Here are his own words: \u201cI am no more than a man apt to let myself be led by society ( by mass ) drunkenness, movement of the flesh, negligence, and other importunities. (page 24) Ego otiosus et crapulosus sedeo tota die.\u201d I am here from morning to evening and get drunk.\"",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CvdmxszsDM8\n\"Pancho and Lefty\" - Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard\n\"Pancho and Lefty\" - Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Edward Langley - Not that there's anything Wrong with that...",
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"text": "This! Could answer so much:)",
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"text": "\"The morality of slaves wants to realize a return to the amorphous indetermination of matter. The morality of masters wants to create an armature of habit which elevates us above ourselves: which renders us divine. Hence the emphasis on force.\nThe morality of slaves is essentially impious. It tends to the destruction of all spontaneity. It codifies. It formalizes. It destroys reason. It tends towards independence: it becomes the categorical imperative. It sets itself above metaphysics. It has a horror of metaphysics, because the latter opens horizons too vast: it gives us vertigo. Vertigo must be ruled by force: but force is terrible; arduous, requires a positive and constructive asceticism. This morality is impious, because it uses God as an instrument. Having exiled reason, having banished metaphysics, it (fouch? bonct?) (thinks? wishes?) that it justifies itself. To do this, it declares all laws divine after having turned away (?) from God toward whom morality should elevate us, after having demolished reason, which is the very essence of morality. Laws become extrinsic constraints which destroy us. They aim at the destruction of the passions, although the passions are the triumph of nature, and although they are essential to morality. (page 8) They establish feebleness as an ideal.\"",
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"text": "Hy! Oh never mind.",
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"text": "I see now, Mr. Langley. You have not succumb to fatigue and cannot condescend to speak of mere morality or the archetonic art. And here I thought you were being humble merely. ",
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"text": "Another fav:\nhttp://youtu.be/4uSFw165Qk0\nWillie Nelson - Me and Paul\nYesterday's Wine 1971\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I think CDK here is indicating that there _is_ an evil here\u2014he seems to be paralleling this sentiment of Chesterton's: \"It is foolish, generally speaking, for a philosopher to set fire to another philosopher in Smithfield Market because they do not agree in their theory of the universe. That was done very frequently in the last decadence of the Middle Ages, and it failed altogether in its object. But there is one thing that is infinitely more absurd and unpractical than burning a man for his philosophy. This is the habit of saying that his philosophy does not matter, and this is done universally in the twentieth century, in the decadence of the great revolutionary period. General theories are everywhere contemned; the doctrine of the Rights of Man is dismissed with the doctrine of the Fall of Man. Atheism itself is too theological for us to-day. Revolution itself is too much of a system; liberty itself is too much of a restraint. We will have no generalizations. Mr. Bernard Shaw has put the view in a perfect epigram: \"The golden rule is that there is no golden rule.\" We are more and more to discuss details in art, politics, literature. A man's opinion on tramcars matters; his opinion on Botticelli matters; his opinion on all things does not matter. He may turn over and explore a million objects, but he must not find that strange object, the universe; for if he does he will have a religion, and be lost. Everything matters\u2014except everything.\"",
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"text": "I am being humble, Mr. Ruplinger: humility involves knowing the extent of one's powers and acting accordingly.",
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"text": "I haven't studied enough speculative philosophy to begin practical philosophy well.",
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"text": "parting shot, as I go watch TV:\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3yUQFluNq0\nBlack Flag - TV Party\nT.V. PARTY TONIGHT T.V. PARTY TONIGHT T.V. PARTY TONIGHT T.V. PARTY TONIGHT WE'RE...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "\"[A]llow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism.\" How can these TAC graduates, these renowned scholars of Aristotle and Thomas, assert such claims as the Founding Fathers of America believed in a false God, or that without baptism there is no hope for salvation, or that Mary's material body was not immaculate, but only her soul? Is this false claim anything less than a material heresy? Why are they shocked when someone calls them out on this? They should thank the one pointing out the error.",
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"text": "Because, Scott, the TACers here are generally being more subtle than your sweeping accusation can countenance.",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "The right to property is a very, very naturaI beIief. Anyone with chiIdren knows this. My 2 year oId's favorite saying was \"it's mine!\" and when corrected, started with \"it's mine....NOW\".",
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"text": "Scott you twist words to find heresy. And if that dont work, invent new heresies.",
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"text": "\"Without baptism, no hope for salvation\": who said that? Besides even to not hope is to deny no dogma.",
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"text": "It depends what you mean by \"baptism\" in \"Without baptism, no hope for salvation\": if you just mean an infusion of sanctifying grace through some means, that statement is true: if you think someone can get to heaven without grace, you're some kind of Pelagian. If you mean that people who don't receive the ordinary Baptism of water can't get to heaven, then that statement is false.",
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"text": "Where is the subtlety in Ruplinger's statement that the Founders God was a different God that the true God? Am I missing something? Is this a nuanced approach to Socratic dialogue, to state something outlandish in order to lead to truth? Please explain!",
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"text": "tNET 50,000",
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"text": "But, in point of fact, no one denied that: the dispute generally involved how to present the necessity of Baptism in an evangelical context.",
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"text": "It depends on what you mean by baptism...? I think what you mean is it depends what you mean by \"is.\"",
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"text": "Wow, that is a very sophisticated and nuanced twist to understanding. Thank you.",
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"text": "There is a real philosophical/theological question of how to know when two people who claim to believe in God actually believe in the same God.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Ah yes, of course there is... so of course Madison and Washington did not believe in the same God as the Catholics. QED. God bless you Ed. Perhaps you can lay out that argument tomorrow.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "BTW, were you in DC's chinatown a week or two ago, Scott?",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "1) I have no affiliation with TAC\n2) I will not debate the nature of the god[s] of the Founder[s?] with an uncredentialed heresy hunter.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"But there are some people, nevertheless\u2014and I am one of them\u2014who think that the most practical and important thing about a man is still his view of the universe. We think that for a landlady considering a lodger, it is important to know his income, but still more important to know his philosophy. We think that for a general about to fight an enemy, it is important to know the enemy's numbers, but still more important to know the enemy's philosophy. We think the question is not whether the theory of the cosmos affects matters, but whether in the long run, anything else affects them. In the fifteenth century men cross-examined and tormented a man because he preached some immoral attitude; in the nineteenth century we feted and flattered Oscar Wilde because he preached such an attitude, and then broke his heart in penal servitude because he carried it out. It may be a question which of the two methods was the more cruel; there can be no kind of question which was the more ludicrous. The age of the Inquisition has not at least the disgrace of having produced a society which made an idol of the very same man for preaching the very same things which it made him a convict for practising.\"",
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"text": "\"[A]llow us to hope\" is a permission not a command nor a declaration of a definition for a matter proposed for belief. And none have denied such hope. Your accusation is doubly false. No one said such a thing and it is no heresy outside your own mind. Regarding the Founders, good luck finding a statement from me that does not point out the difficulties in the matter. And are you accusing me of denying Americanism?",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Edward, do give references. I have no idea where you are quoting from. Academic standards, man, academic standards.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "I mean, I realize it's CDK, but where are you getting this?",
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"text": "I did give the reference with the first quote: http://www.charlesdekoninck.com/course-notes-on-nietzsche/",
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"text": "The other stuff is from Chesterton's \"Heretics\"",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Do you really follow DeKoninck's mini-history of philosophy between Aquinas and Luther? I mean this view of the long decline of philosophy from it's high scholastic peak on down is really so 1950's. I find so much vibrancy and life in the 14th and 15th centuries ... fascinating stuff. Of course, most of it wasn't really unearthed until the 1970s and 1980s ... but don't you think that view of the long decline can only be maintained when the knowledge of the 15th-c. philosophy (the Albertists, etc.) is lacking? Also, he's entirely unfair to Luther. Not that I'm surprised by it, but really polemical ... not at all giving a clear picture.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I sewed a really cute apron for my daughter tonight. Have a good weekend, tNET.",
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"text": "I don't know, my experience with Scotus is that he seems subtle and argumentative without really being convincing. But I don't really know enough to judge the matter.",
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"text": "I'm sure Noone would disagree, but he seems to equate the complications of 14th and 15th century philosophy with profundity.",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "This is a great book on Luther and philosophy: https://drive.google.com/.../0B1NKBnJwd.../view...\nThough it falls for Luther's misunderstanding of eudaimonism.\nAristoteles und Luther by Dieter.pdf - Google Drive\nDRIVE.GOOGLE.COM",
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"text": "does it mention alchemy? if it doesnt, then it doesnt understand Luther and philosophy at all",
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"text": "but downloading it now to read",
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"text": "I'm kinda curious why you think that \"CdeK knows nothing about Luther\", Jehoshaphat Escalante. He probably had read Luther and I'm more willing to trust his judgment on the matter given the evidence I have.",
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"name": "Alan Keeler",
"text": "23456?",
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"text": "because Luther wrote vastly, and not all in a scholastic vein, CdK didnt read him widely or well",
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"text": "I know them both well, and C de K definitely doesnt know Luther",
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"text": "bah. I should have waited another few seconds. This is Claire, by the way.",
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"text": "That is still incommunicable evidence.",
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"text": "or authority",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "No alchemy mention, but when I said \"Luther and philosophy\" I meant \"Luther and Aristotle\"",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "hahaha ok",
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"text": "Luther's relation to Aristotle was complicated; its hard to tell when he means \"the school Aristotle\" or \"Aristotle himself\" when he says \"Aristotle\". He is often respectful of the latter, never of the former",
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"text": "\"I understand Aristotle better than Aquinas and Ockham understood him, and I can prove it\" \u2014Luther",
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"text": "in a way I think that might have been true",
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"text": "Definitely false as far as eudaimonism goes; Luther sees it as selfish.",
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"text": "as did Augustine",
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"text": "?",
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"text": "Augustine _was_ a Eudaimonist.",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Luther has much, much less riding on a reading of Aristotle than Thomas or Ockham do; so it makes him usefully disinterested sometimes. But he's just not much of a commentator on Aristotle at all",
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"text": "ahem * pagan virtues christian vices* ahem",
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"text": "Fair enough, but he understands that seeking happiness \u2260 ordering all things to oneself.",
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"text": "I'm always suspicious of that sense of \"disinterested,\" but I see how it could be a good thing.",
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"text": "The obvious counter is that Luther wasn't smart/interested enough to put enough weight on a good reading of Aristotle.",
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"text": "Luther's a eudaimonist too, in a way, except that the fallen person isnt the proper centrum; only in the \"maxima persona\" (Christ) can you speak of a proper subject of happiness; Christ alone is the \"true self\", in which one must be by \"ecstasy\" (Luther's own term for the real incorporation in Christ by faith). So his ethics has a strange topological prolegomenon which must be understood first",
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"text": "Wish that I could remain in the intelligible light of The Neverending Thread, but alas I have to enter the cave and write a talk on Familiaris Consortio. So long.",
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"text": "Write it as a series of comments on tNET.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "So where are we on the whole question about do we believe in the same God as X discussion.",
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"text": "I think there is a some disagreement and someone who seems to think the answer is self-evident.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I think nearly everyone agrees that Mormons don't worship the same God as us.",
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"text": "^That seems obvious.",
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"text": "There is some debate about Muslims and Unitarians.",
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"text": "Is there really a debate about Muslims?",
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"text": "And then a question about Deists like Jefferson and whatever the other Founders (USA not TAC) held",
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"text": "I think Mr. Beitia was arguing that denial of the Trinity was a deal breaker.",
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"text": "I don't think that is fair.",
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"text": "I argued that they would grant something like Aquinas's arguments for the existence of God.",
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"text": "Albert: Ad id quod ulterius quaeritur, puto sine praejudicio esse dicendum, quod daemon non injicit in animam sui Prophetae species, sed potius de existentibus ibi elicit intellectum novum futurorum. Est enim de speciebus et litteris aliquo modo simile: quia sicut eaedem litterae diversimode combinatae et ordinatae faciunt comoedias et tragoedias: ita etiam eaedem species diversimode ordinatae exprimunt diversa praesentia, praeterita, et futura. Sicut enim dicit Philosophus in II de Somno et vigilia: Sensibus ligatis per somnum, efficitur intellectus agens potens ut extrahat de phantasmatibus quaedam signa futurorum, in quibus accipiuntur praenosticationes: ita dici potest, quod applicatio luminis naturalis quo viget intellectus daemonis ad lumen intellectus Prophetae falsi, elicit quaedam quae ostendunt futura, et aliquando vera, et aliquando falsa, semper autem cum intentione fallendi: et hoc modo est inspiratio falsi Prophetae. (In II Sentent. Dis. VII. E, Art. 3. ed. Borgnet)",
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"text": "Aquinas: Ea vero quae ipsi Daemones praecognoscunt, revelare possunt, non quidem obji- ciendo se animae sicut in speculum, in quo videntur quae in speculo relucent, ut quidam dicunt: quia anima humana, ad minus secundum statum viae, non videt ea quae sunt a materia separata, nisi quatenus ex phantasmatibus in eorum cognitionem venit. Nec iterum species quae sunt in intellectu angelico, sunt proportionatae intellectui humano, cum multo simpliciores sint, et universaliores. Unde sicut species quae sunt in intellectu imaginatio non potest comprehendere, nec sensus species quae sunt in imaginatione; ita nec intellectus humanus, secundum statum viae, species quae sunt in intellectu angelico. Sed Angelus bonus vel malus aliter ea quae cognoscit, revelare potest, scilicet per appli- cationem luminis sui ad phantasmata, sicut applicatur lumen intellectus agentis, ut ex eis quaedam intentiones in intellectu eliciantur; et quanto lumen fuerit fortius et perfectius, tanto plures et certiores cognitiones elicientur. Et ideo ex phantasmatibus illustratis lumi- ne angelico resultat aliquorum cognitio in intellectu possibili hominis, ad quam eliciendam illustratio intellectus agentis humani non sufficeret, cum lumen ejus sit debilius lumine Angeli. (Super Sent., lib. 2 d. 7 q. 2 a. 2 co.)",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, thanks for your thoughts the other night. I'm sorry I was not around to respond. I will check out Craycraft.",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, when did you visit Chicago as a child? I was there from 1978 to 1986. It seems like there was a brutal heatwave every summer . . .",
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"text": "That might be. Is he a lawyer?",
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"text": "That's probably right. Is your sister-in-law an art historian or something like that?",
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"text": "Another beautiful connection brought to us by TNET.",
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"text": "We played a fun game last night at craft night. It was \"guess everybody's Myers-briggs personality type.\"",
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"text": "J is \"Judging,\" basically, do you have your sh*t together? Or does Catherine Joliat Feil keep it together for you? if the later, you're a \"P\" perceiver",
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"text": "Actually, scratch that, Daniel Lendman is an ENFJ",
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"text": "Seems like everyone is off having a more fun Saturday morning than I am.",
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"text": "Isak is also an ENTP, I would guess",
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"text": "ugh, so do I but not for an hour",
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"text": "I have to move furniture in 30 minutes. Then I have to tutor three students on papers which are due in three days and I guarantee they just started them. Hope you feel better about your day, Samantha. ",
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"name": "Joel HF",
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"text": "Soccer seems like the worst today now that Everton have got a last minute equalizer in the Merseyside Derby https://twitter.com/natefc/status/515857812279148547\noh you beauty on Twitter: \"FT 1-1. that is some unbelievable bullshit and is exactly something...\nFT 1-1. that is some unbelievable bullshit and is exactly something that would happen in 2009-10 and I really hate this season so far\nTWITTER.COM|BY OH YOU BEAUTY",
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"name": "Rebecca Bratten",
"text": "Weiss I'm grading English 211 papers. Everyone in the world is having more fun than I am.",
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"text": "So, what I found out about medieval literacy: there has been a lot of challenging of the received wisdom recently, partly due to Noone's point about \"literatus\" meaning someone who could read read and write Latin well.",
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"text": "Here's one of the more interesting pieces: http://books.google.at/books?id=Rv_QzOML3U0C&lpg=PA9...\nLiteracy and Historical Development\nBOOKS.GOOGLE.AT",
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"text": "More on soccer today: \"If you don't laugh, you're gonna cry and maybe explode and maybe go on a murderous rampage, so I recommend laughing.\" http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.co.at/.../liverpool-1-1...\noh you beauty: Liverpool 1-1 Everton\nOHYOUBEAUTY.BLOGSPOT.COM",
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"text": "Samantha, Saturday mornings are for sleeping. Everyone knows this. Now I'm starting up slowly with some coffee and TNET, which has led me to read up on Myers-Briggs tests.",
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"text": "Sean, spoken like a non-parent",
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"text": "Haha, yes, I realized after I wrote that that it sounds like bragging.",
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"text": "Not intended!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I read a chapter of that Literacy and Historical Development book just now, Pater Edmund",
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"text": "It seems like the \"knowing a little Latin\" just means knowing the Pater Noster and the Credo",
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"text": "So from a quick wiki read, I am INTsomething. I think INTP, but the P/J distinction was not very clear to me.",
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"text": "Sean-- do you like to be spontaneous? Are you one of those terrible late-all-the-time people? Do you hate planning? Then you might be a \"P\"",
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"text": "If, on the other hand, you function well in the world, have a rational approach to organizing your life, and like to know what to expect, then you are probably a \"J\"",
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"text": "the above explanation might be colored a bit by my extreme pro-\"J\" preference",
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"text": "an F, eh Michael? Interesting.",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "I just took a test, Samantha, and this was the result:\nExtravert(33%) iNtuitive(50%) Feeling(38%) Judging(22%)",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "YES!! I knew it!!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Daniel, don't you feel known?",
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"text": "Not really...",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I like Walker Percy's \"Lost in the Cosmos\"",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "And, I got Michael wrong, but I don't actually know him.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "can anyone know anyone else?",
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"name": "Daniel Lendman",
"text": "^Not until he knows himself.",
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"text": "Have you read \"Lost...\" by Percy? the cultural references are dated, but it is an interesting book nonetheless",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "It's reductive pseudo-science, but I definitely think it's measuring *something* legit",
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"text": "I prefer the temperaments as a model, better. 4 basic temperaments, with various combinations. Indefinite personality possibilities.",
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"text": "oooh I just found out I'm sanguine! these personality tests certainly tell a lot....",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "Samantha = JJJJ. ",
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"text": "INTJ\nIntrovert(100%) iNtuitive(38%) Thinking(62%) Judging(67%)",
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"text": "I could kill a few minutes screwing around with these",
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"text": "Temperamentally speaking I am Choleric/Melancholic.",
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"text": "Even though in this case it might not be a good thing, I still feel good for scoring 100% on part of that test.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Wow strong scores. Probably not the person that would high five a comets stranger.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Which test did you take for the percentages?",
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"text": "http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp\nPersonality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory\nPersonality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers...\nHUMANMETRICS.COM",
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"name": "Sean Robertson",
"text": "It was just the first one that came up on Google.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "time to pick up the kids from swimming....",
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"text": "is melancholic choleric. . . . but the point of knowing one's temperament is to strive to become even tempered. Why Briggs Myers = Jungian self affirmative fail",
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"name": "Rebecca Bratten",
"text": "Weiss I dislike the temperaments. I get a different answer every time I take it, depending on my mood, or how drunk I am, or what I've had to do in my life in order to get by. I'm a melancholic choleric phlegmatic sanguine, and there you have it.",
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"text": "Weiss Astrology, however, is fun.",
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"text": "Weiss John - if that's the point, why then, I have succeeded. Hooray! Self-affirmation for me!",
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"text": "Extravert(89%) iNtuitive(88%) Thinking(75%) Judging(56%)\nI don't think it is to strive to be even tempered, just how to relate to others.",
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"text": "should say Briggs ends with diagnosis: embrace yourself and your intjness. And you're an INTJ in denial, Rebecca. ",
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"name": "Nina Rachele",
"text": "now everybody do the enneagram one because I'm curious...",
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"text": "no. In the secret radtrad tradition temperaments were used as a means to aid in spiritual direction. And even temperment was word of praise. Good stuff. All i am saying. @Jeff.",
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"text": "enneagram?",
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"text": "there are nine types, everyone has a type for the way they relate to themselves, the world, and how they actually think. here's a short quiz http://www.enneagramquiz.com/quiz.html\nComprehensive Enneagram Quiz\nThis quiz takes approximately 3 or 4 minutes to complete. Remember, the test can only be as accurate as the...\nENNEAGRAMQUIZ.COM",
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"text": "not sure I explained it very well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritype The other enneagram theory is that you are a type that leans towards one or the other of the neighboring types. So, I am a six wing five, for example.\nTritype - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nThe term Tritype refers to a theory regarding the Enneagram of Personality and was coined by Enneagram researcher and coach Katherine Chernick Fauvre[1] and later developed further in association with David W. Fauvre. The word tritype was formed from Latin, with the prefix tri meaning three,[2] and\u2026\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG",
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"text": "enneagrams = geometric spirituality on wings. Probably started when desert monks found those manna 'shrooms Peterson mentioned a thread age ago.",
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"text": "I've never heard anyone who likes the four temperaments refer to themselves as anything but choleric, melancholic or combination of the two. Usually those who fancy themselves melancholic love it.",
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"text": "Depending on how I take the M-Bs it flips one letter, which seems realistic. But still a bit asinine.\nAnd don't get me started on the whole extrovert/ introvert thing",
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"text": "but phlegmatics \\ sanguine are not interested by temperament. . . . . . and melancholic (\\ cholerics) make the tests. . . .",
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"text": ". . . . and rule the world or try to. To be precise, cholerics conquer the world, melancholics talk about it or brood.",
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"text": "It'd be much cooler if sanguine were said as a temperament with it's other meaning. Charles Bronson would be the mascot.",
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"text": "Cholerics praise and imitate Madison. Melancholics criticize idols. ",
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"text": "So I have myself completely circumscribed:\nSanguine/choleric\nENFJ\n8w7 6w5 2w1\nput all those personality tests together and you get: big jerk",
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"text": "That means you and I are basically the same Michael... but that can't be right.",
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"text": "Michael Beitia / Daniel Lendman - but then - we knew that already.",
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"text": "that' we're both big jerks? at least I'm a sanguine happy go lucky big jerk",
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"text": "But the test that The Neverending Thread should really be taking is this: http://uquiz.com/jyoHiC\nWhich Early Christian Heresy Are You?\n\"Catholic theology followed a fairly well defined direction. Its path was not from the outset as broad and straight,...\nUQUIZ.COM",
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"text": ". . . . . shouldn't that be updated, Pater? to which Council Father?",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, that quiz must have been designed by Salvador Dali.\nAnyways, I'm Monophysitism",
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"text": "Pater Edmund:\nI said: \n\"The high Middle Ages failed. Centuries of fighting for power against the oppressive state led to coveting state power. This led to the abominable corruption of the Church, replete with wicked Popes, and this led to the reformation and the \"enlightenment\".\"\nYou said: \"Can we at least admit that this is a highly simplistic and contentious interpretation of the High Middle Ages?\"\n1) Well, I suppose the so-called \"Reformation\" just up and happened out of the blue? Bad reformation. Bad enlightenment. The Other just up and came out of nowhere. Not the Church's fault at all? Heh. Whatever floats our prejudices. But I often argue about how complicated and varied the period was, and I freely admit that the history is up for grabs. But that works both ways. Let's not pretend like those arguing it was good don't paint cartoons the same way enlightenment propaganda does.\n2) But what I find even more interesting about your response is this: you don't want to automatically ascribe the cause of the reformation and the enlightenment to what I identify as the prior cause. Fair enough. But maybe you and others should apply that sound bit of logic to \"Modernity\" and American history.",
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"text": "Ed Langley, we were discussing earlier the metaphor and whether it could be a demonstration. I wanted to point you to Book 3 of Aristotle's Rhetoric where he says the metaphor is a rhetorical demonstration of the greatest clarity. Now an enthymeme is a demonstration; and a metaphor is an enthymeme of the greatest clarity. I also wanted to give you a few examples. You may recall President Reagan's famous demonstrative metaphor: \"America is a city on a hill\"; the demonstration being that a city on a hill is eminently worthy of defense, America is a city on a hill, therefore America is eminently worth defending. Another example is that \"a good education is water in the desert\"; the demonstration is that water in the desert is rare and valuable; education is water in the desert, therefore education is valuable. Another example of a persuasive and demonstrative metaphor is that \"a man who must always be right is like a child carrying a loaded weapon.\"",
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"text": "Scott, a \"rhetorical demonstration\" is equivocal with the sense of demonstration that was under question at the time.",
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"text": "Mr. John Ruplinger. We were talking earlier about whether George Washington and the Founding Fathers believed in the same God as we do. It seems to me quite clear that we do, and that this question is one which seems strange to ask. Here is the famous prayer of George Washington, I wanted to present to you:\n\"Almighty God, and most merciful father, who didst command the children of Israel to offer a daily sacrifice to thee, that thereby they might glorify and praise thee for thy protection both night and day, receive, O Lord, my morning sacrifice which I now offer up to thee; I yield thee humble and hearty thanks that thou has preserved me from the danger of the night past, and brought me to the light of the day, and the comforts thereof, a day which is consecrated ot thine own service and for thine own honor. Let my heart, therefore, Gracious God, be so affected with the glory and majesty of it, that I may not do mine own works, but wait on thee, and discharge those weighty duties thou requirest of me, and since thou art a God of pure eyes, and wilt be sanctified in all who draw near unto thee, who doest not regard the sacrifice of fools, nor hear sinners who tread in thy courts, pardon, I beseech thee, my sins, remove them from thy presence, as far as the east is from the west, and accept of me for the merits of thy son Jesus Christ, that when I come into thy temple, and compass thine altar, my prayers may come before thee as incense; and as thou wouldst hear me calling upon thee in my prayers, so give me grace to hear thee calling on me in thy word, that it may be wisdom, righteousness, reconciliation and peace to the saving of the soul in the day of the Lord Jesus. Grant that I may hear it with reverence, receive it with meekness, mingle it with faith, and that it may accomplish in me, Gracious God, the good work for which thou has sent it. Bless my family, kindred, friends and country, be our God & guide this day and for ever for his sake, who ay down in the Grave and arose again for us, Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.\"",
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"text": "Man, that soccer took a lot out of me.",
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"text": "Ed, I believe you had stated that an enthymeme was a kind of demonstration in no equivocal sense. The examples I provide immediately above, as well as book 3 of Artistotle's Rhetoric, also seem to support the idea that a metaphor when used as an enthymeme, is a very clear kind of demonstration.",
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"text": "I'm more inclined to think well of George Washington than of most of the other founders: for one thing, he's one of the few historical figures that refused power offered to him (being made a king) and willingly giving up the power he did get (setting the precedent for two term presidency: a precedent that lasted as a tradition without legal force until FDR).",
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"text": "I think I got Pelagianism, but that was embarrassing to me, so let me take it again",
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"text": "to question 1, definitely b) defend myself with a flame thrower",
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"text": "Whatever I had said about enthymeme before, I don't think either enthymeme or metaphor have the kind of necessity required for knowledge, in the strict sense.",
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"text": "Agree.",
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"text": "The important question, Samantha, is the one about the Montpelier codex.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond:\n\"Returning to the problem of embracing division as a principle, which the Athenian Stranger so beautifully unfolds, it is worth noting that 'divide and conquer' has always been the preferred method of tyrants for atomizing a people.\"\nWell, that's a method that any leader uses who wants to win, and it is not intrinsically evil in any way, shape, or form.\n\"In Federalist 51, Madison employs this principle with a vengeance: 'This policy of supplying, by opposite and rival interests, the defect of better motives, might be traced through the whole system of human affairs, private as well as public. We see it particularly displayed in all the subordinate distributions of power, where the constant aim is to DIVIDE and arrange the several offices in such a manner as that each may be a check on the other--that the private interest of every individual may be a sentinel over the public rights.'\"\nThis is, to me, common sense. And virtually any government that lasts more than 5 minutes employs such logic. Any government. In a school, in a family, and elsewhere, one ties pride, honor, and self-interest to institutions and functions in order to bring about the public good and order self-interest towards something greater.\nBut as to the division here - the separation of powers among the three branches - this for the founding generation is not arbitrary. As I tell my classes, they do not view \"POWER\" as a block of ice to be chopped up and divided for the sake of mere checks for checks sake. The three branches represent three very different KINDS of power. It is a very different thing to be a judge than a representative, and another thing entirely to be an executive official, etc. So this division has a basis in reality given the nature of governmental power. But yet, one does tie the interest of a participant in each branch to the branch in question. That's common sense.\nThis is why, when old Senator Byrd was asked what it was like to serve under so many presidents, he looked askance at Charlie Rose, and said \"Served WITH.\" That's healthy for the Republic, and any form of government. The best Monarchies employed much the same principle, in which different kinds of authority and power were given their due.\nIf you do want to just depend on the virtue and love of the common good simply, society would fall apart. The very idea is absurd. This isn't how virtue is attained. This is giving everyone the ring of gyges. If you want to build up virtue, you hold people accountable and let them know they will be held accountable. You use their native sense of shame. You don't create occasions of sin. A teacher in a classroom will take steps to prevent teaching. A parent will take steps to prevent abuse of the internet. You don't simply depend on virtue. In fact, you assist virtue by taking these measures.\nBut what the remarks above miss is the very thrust of the Constitution, which is to create a unitary government over the rest that UNIFIES the nation and that very much does depend ultimately on the virtue of the people and the fact that the Federalists think they will attain more virtuous leaders in the federal government. \nIn fact, the Anti-Federalists didn't like this dependence on virtue and love of the common good. It made them nervous. And thus Madison is calming them down with his argument about how the federal goverment will help steer clear of what they fear.",
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"text": "Proust is overrated",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond:\n\"Since the legislative authority necessarily predominates in a republican government, the remedy is to DIVIDE it into different branches.\"\nYes, and if you read any Federalists, including Madison and Hamilton, as to WHY this is a good thing you would discover arguments that, again, speak of different kinds of power qualitatively and how bicameralism assists deliberation and promotes the public good and protects minority rights.\nThis is a commonplace at the time. You needed a more aristocratic Senate to slow things down, and the Federalist Papers and scads of other writings at the time give plenty of real examples of how two legislative bodies with different characters will lead to better deliberation over what is truly good and mitigate against \"might is right\" democratic majoritarianism.\nSo the \"division\" is for the sake of unity, and for the sake of deliberation over what truly ought to be done.",
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"text": "Indeed, Madison seems to use this tactic to protect the federal government against faction, AND to protect individual freedoms. It is just a tactic in his noble strategy.",
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"text": "AGH Pelagianism again!",
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"text": "Pater Edmund, why were you only slightly impressed?",
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"text": "I sing of TNET, and a man of threads...",
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"text": "It seems without division, there is no balance of powers. One focal point would become too heavy and tip the scales always in the direction of its own interests.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond:\n<<\"As for the government as a whole: \"In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first DIVIDED between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subDIVIDED among distinct and separate departments.\" Finally, society itself \"will be BROKEN into so many parts, interests and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority.\" The problem here is not so much the fact that a government would have different branches or centers of authority. Many governments long before the American experiment had similar divisions. The problem is Madison's willingness to so thoroughly embrace division as a principle in the absence of any apparent concern for \"better motives.\" As he famously wrote, \"Ambition must be made to counter ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place.\" This spirit of division and contention is so thoroughly embraced that it breeds and gives license to a people and statesmen who are indifferent to virtue and self-restraint. After all, one serves the \"general good\" when one acts ambitiously, or so we are taught. Every American schoolboy from time immemorial as been taught to sing the praises of the saving graces of \"checks and balances,\" as if the system alone were sufficient to replace the need for virtue.>>\nThis is simply false. This hollow checks and balances interpretation that Bond speaks of really comes from the 1950s, and the materialist vaguely Marxist approach of Beard before the Straussians and friends started interpreting the founding in terms of the defects of post-WWII America.\nSchoolboys were NOT taught this. The founding generation did NOT teach this. People centuries later grabbed Madison and other's AUXILIARY PRECAUTIONS that amount to common sense and took them as a political treatise. No major founder thought this. The best you can do is uncharitably read two texts, two stones from the mountain ranges of documents from the time to wring this out of the founding era.\nThis spirit of division is not our problem. That we are divided on the highest things, and the deepest things, that is a problem. But it is NOT caused by what has allowed our government to last, in part: the separation of powers, or our three branches, or the fact that those within those branches tie their self-interest to the respective branch to which they belong and the job they happen to embrace.",
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"text": "Ed, it seems to me the reason metaphorical and rhetorical demonstrations do not have the kind of necessity for knowledge in the strict sense is because they deal with topics that are not scientific in a strict sense. They are, however, reasonable, according to Aristotle in Book 3, and require a speaker who in logical and moral and aware of the emotions of his audience. These other demonstrations -- enthymeme and metaphor -- deal with the will and imagination, respectively. Whereas the syllogism is a form of reason in the strict sense and the intellect. All three are similar in form, as they are also formally similar to the rational soul.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond\n<<In Choruses from the Rock, T.S. Eliot had this to say about men like Madison and his Enlightenment friends.\nThey constantly try to escape\nFrom the darkness outside and within\nBy dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.\nBut the man that is shall shadow\nThe man that pretends to be.\nThis profound poetic insight brings us to the heart of the Enlightenment project and the Madisonian proposal to turn away from virtue to embrace a system that seizes on ambition and harnesses it to achieve the so-called \"common good.\">>>\nAgain, the fact one builds in auxiliary precautions is just common sense. The fact one harnesses ambition doesn't prove that one has abandoned virtue or the common good, and a century post-Madison of American culture and history reveals that virtue and religion were NOT so abandoned.\n<<I therefore do not find persuasive Matthew J. Peterson's argument that Madison's proposal is made on behalf of justice and the common good simply because he employs these terms. Madison says in Federalist 10 that \"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit.\" But what does Madison mean by \"justice\"? Based on this passage and others like it, it seems clear that Madison identifies justice with liberty. For Madison, justice is not, as St. Thomas defined it, \"a habit whereby a man renders to each one his due with constant and perpetual will.\" Justice in this traditional sense requires giving God and neighbor what they are due, as opposed to Madisonian justice which is the accidental outcome of ambition having been made to counteract ambition so that men can then get whatever they can get in the interstices.>>\nThis is illogical. You do want to write off the plain language of Madison and friends. But in this you are remarkably Straussian, no? If you want to prove the esoteric meaning of these words, you must bring a bit more to the table. \nThe passage you cite does NOT equate liberty with justice. In fact, one cannot make sense of it if that is the case. The passage you cite reveals that Madison does NOT equate liberty with justice - it proves MY point. What he means is that we treasure justice so much, that we will give up liberty and self-government in the pursuit of it. He is referring to demagogues and tyrants who arise in the midst of radically democratic mayhem and INJUSTICE, which is what he specifically complains of in the states, repeatedly. \nIf things continue this way, and radically unstable democratic majorities continue to act unjustly, not rendering people their due (and Madison can give you specific examples), then Madison fears that people will elect tyrants to keep the peace, as western political philosophy warns of.\n<<And so we are left with Eliot's question: \nWhat life have you, if you have not life together?\nThere is not life that is not in community,>>\nSo the Federalists sought the unity that would come with a stronger federal government. Out of many, one. But no sane person thought that bond could entail a religious unity leading to the last, best, and highest end of man. First, because the size and extent of the government would make that tricky. But most obviously because of their disagreements about such. Yet there are still many a facet of the common good that the federal government could help achieve.\nAnd, of course, even today it does indeed legislate about morality (drugs, abortion, marriage, discrimination against minorities, etc.)",
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"text": "Scott, I am discussing the very thing on another thread. We've only touched some of the difficulties and seem close to an impass. I decline to \"discuss\" it with you. I am glad to see you show how metaphor can be used as enthymeme.",
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"text": "Joel HF: \"What is the point of reading the Federalists, Matthew J. Peterson? Historical curiosity? Getting to the true meaning of the constitution? Political philosophy?\"\nYou sound so modern. Heh. Of course, so does Jeffrey. \nI think the Federalist Papers still reveal the working principles of the regime, even with all the changes - and they reveal some principles that worked even if things have changed.\nIn the main, however, they correct false understandings of where we have been, and therefore how we came to where we are, and therefore help inform what ought to be done.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond:\nI said: \"First off, if you hold that government can get rid of the latent causes of faction, methinks you should read some of that olde time Christian religion, and the words of Jesus Christ in the gospels, all of which suggest that something beyond human wrought laws is needed.\"\nYou say \n<<I do not recall anyone saying that government can simply get rid of faction. But a few of us have faulted Madison for turning away from the traditional political art, the business of which is the care of souls, which art would require a statesman to concern himself with the causes of faction. That Madison rejected this ancient ideal is, I think, undeniable since in Federalist 10 Madison explicitly rejects dealing with causes of faction. (If Madison speaks or acts contrary to this principle elsewhere, that is another matter that I cannot address here at the moment.)>>\nYes, Madison doesn't mean that there is NO way in which one can deal with the causes of faction. That is evident from his life and other writings. But he does appear to mean something like \"you can't ultimately get rid of the causes of faction by means of a federal government or any government.\" And that just seems true, if we take Christianity seriously.\nIf you bother to expand outwards of your Straussian inherited Fed 10/51 myopia, you would see that the VERY POINT OF ESTABLISHING THE CONSTITUTION is to eradicate the causes of faction by erecting a strong central government that takes power over commerce OUT of state/radically democratic majority might makes right hands and puts it into a popular form that has more aristocratic elements. And to make all the states one. Out of many one. A UNION.\nAgain, all that is happening in 10 is a response to Brutus re large and small republic. But I've already driven down this road a few times.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson: I wrote: \"Returning to the problem of embracing division as a principle, which the Athenian Stranger so beautifully unfolds, it is worth noting that 'divide and conquer' has always been the preferred method of tyrants for atomizing a people.\"\nYour wrote in response: \"Well, that's a method that any leader uses who wants to win, and it is not intrinsically evil in any way, shape, or form.\"\nWe certainly differ on this point, and perhaps here we are getting to the heart of our disagreement. I do not view leadership as winning, nor could I ever endorse \"divide and conquer\" as a principle. This is precisely what the Athenian Stranger finds in error at the root of the Spartan and Cretan regimes. Politics is not about winning. Politics is about unifying souls (individually and collectively) since the good of each depends on the good of all. Our happiness, because we are political by nature, requires an art that aims at the common good, and that art cannot start with the principle of divine and conquer and still be the political art. That is power politics and assumes the good of the leader (as he sees it) is to be gained at the expense of those ruled. I doubt you really endorse such ideas, but what you have written above is hard to interpret in any other way.",
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"text": "^ you just disagree with Jeffrey over what those principles are [several up already now that blows fall fast if not furious]. Moreover while criticizing Bond's myopia, you to focus on 10 and 51 as do most all teachers and students of the founding. I am not addressing any argument Matthew. Just pointing out that some of your strokes fall upon your own head as well.",
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"text": "But just in case, one. more. time.\nBrutus the Anti-Federalist says the federal government will be too big. The question is large versus small republic.\nMadison doesn't CREATE faction with the constitution. He doesn't DEPEND on it. He makes the point that the problem they face is MIGHT MAKES RIGHT majorities violating minority rights and contravening the common good of all. But, he says, a large republic will actually help prevent a BAD majority from forming. Of course, the majority will still rule. But with more interests, bad and good, these small factions will fight and much will be revealed. It will be harder for a bad majority to form or to implement its sinister designs once formed.\nBut the overarching argument is simply whether you have an overarching federal government or not. In small or large republic, you have faction. That's a fact of life. For Madison and the Federalists, the smaller and \"more pure\" democracies were full of might makes right majorities that couldn't be stopped. They hope that a federal government with better legislators and aristocratic elements, as well as an extending of the sphere, will help prevent the fatal flaw of government by the many.",
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"text": "Um, when you think what you want is the common good, and other side doesn't want this, you want to win. Yes. In a just war, you want to win. And you certainly divide and conquer, and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.\nIn rhetoric, one does this by agreeing with people where and on what one can, and disagreeing where one disagrees. Sometimes one must prioritize which is more important. This is how coalitions are formed. This is how dialectic occurs. This is how we think outside of ourselves and our own thoughts and desires and begin to start thinking seriously about the common good.",
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"text": "John Ruplinger: No idea how you know what I focus on. Heh. I'm just responding to what is thrust in front of me on the Book of Faces. There are a lot other Federalist Papers, and I teach a number of them. But I also bring in a lot of other works. Aristotle and Plato on democracy. Tocqueville. Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington, Du Bois, Malcom X. Etc.\nAnd I've pointed to multiple other texts by Madison and in the Fed Papers, of course.",
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"text": "But if you wanted to unify souls in early America, you would need one government over those souls, no? Heh. A UNION, as it were?\nAnd if you wanted to unify those souls, you would have to do so in a government of the many by preventing them from joining to look at immediate interest and contravening the common good and violating the rights of minorities, no?\nSo having a larger government with a more diverse population, if set up such that all the groups could argue publicly about what is best for the whole, might help one along, no?",
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"text": "coalitions generally form by compromise and coalescing different factions. Dialectic, however can end in agreement. That or a better understanding of what divides.",
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"text": "The point is NOT to divide and conquer. The point is that the ALREADY EXISTING DIVISIONS over all the colonies will fight each other and help prevent any one BAD division from becoming the law of the land. It's just an auxiliary and Madison says salutary byproduct of a larger government over a larger population and territory: moderation of majority tyranny.",
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"text": "The problem is not that there won't be a majority on any given subject. Of course there will be a majority of people who think such and such. The question is how to prevent the majority from becoming tyrannical. When you are the one, or the few, or the many ultimately in charge in your regime form, you have no one to judge you. You judge yourself. And in a \"pure democracy\", which Brutus and the Anti-Feds think is ideal, the many rule without opposition, and this is unstable and radical and lacking an aristocratic element.\nBut, again, Madison doesn't create faction and debate in the public square. That already exists. His point is simply that in a larger republic, it will be harder for a tyrannical majority to form.",
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"text": "So, with religious sects - there will be a majority there too, and Madison is indeed personally suspicious of any such religious majority. But the logic of the Constitution is simply that the only majority that will be able to form will be one that convinces everyone that it will not act unjustly or tyrannize religious minorities.\nTrue, they wanted no established federal religion for obvious practical reasons. But this wasn't true of states and local communities. And the 1st amendment itself could be changed with a majority in agreement, obviously.",
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"text": "The real question is what Hamilton asks: if you think that a large republic like that of the Constitution is by nature somehow divisive and too dependent on factions, which is strange to me, then how small does it have to be? As he says, the states are already much larger than anything Aristotle has in mind. So you must want a number of tiny little ancient Greek style republics - but these are tyrannical and unstable, based on \"pure democracy\" which is generally disastrous without some other binding force.\nAn exception, perhaps, are the very democratic puritan colonies which are one of the best democratic examples of theocracy you can find in history.",
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"text": "As you know, it doesn't matter whether my position comes from the Straussians or unicorns; what matters is whether it is true. But since you seem to believe that the reduction of my position to the Straussians weakens my argument, I guess I had better address this point. I first studied the Federalist Papers at Kenyon College under a professor who was a student of Martin Diamond. Diamond, as you know, was a socialist in his earlier life, but he \"converted\" to the Straussian position and the conservative Republican political agenda that often goes with it. But I do not agree with Diamond's read on the Federalist Papers, nor with any of the other Straussians, all of whom, in my experience, defend and laud Madison. Yes, they point out that he does not strive for the same nobility as the ancients, but they praise him nonetheless for creating a regime that is \"lower but solid,\" or words to that effect. That is, Madison lowers the goal of politics but therefore more readily attains his object. Hence, Madison is to be admired, as you admire him, for being practical, prudent and realistic. But, as you now know well, I do not share this view of Madison. And my critique is quite other than that of the Straussians. I think Plato and Aristotle were fundamentally correct about the nature of politics and the human nature with which it is concerned. I do not think Madison shares Plato's and Aristotle's understanding, and in that respect at least my view is quite mainstream and hardly esoteric. What is not mainstream is my rejection of Madison for his misunderstanding of politics and human nature. That my position is not mainstream is hardly surprising, of course, since most political philosophers today share Madison's fundamental views, the result, no doubt, of the fact that they were raised and formed in the regime he created.",
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"text": "Right. This reading of Madison is modern as the professors of today. They read their own calculation of interests and power politics into that of the founding era.",
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"text": "Edward Langley: Speaking of demonstration in the strict scientific sense, would you say that any of the infallible dogmas of sacred theology (revelation or the Church's infallible interpretation thereof) can be known in this way, that is, through a scientific demonstration?",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, Matthew J. Peterson you both seem to be using \"divide and conquer\" in different ways.",
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"text": "The Straussians I most disagree with, like you, never say what they wanted instead. With the federal government, you have two problems: 1) the people underneath it have different ideas about what the last, best, and highest end of humanity is. So there is no agreement. And 2) this sort of government over extended territory and diverse populations can only do so much and go so far anyhow, as it is largely concerned with more basic common goods by its very nature. Yet they did leave it open to \"higher things.\" And we do flirt with such. But, again, we don't have agreement.\nThings go pretty well while you have a general protestant agreement, and then protestantism largely breaks down, often throwing in with liberalism simply in pure form in order to counter Catholicism, which makes things worse. And so you get to where we are.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, would you please explain why you think Madison does not share Plato's and Aristotle's notion of politics? Is it because you think Madison does not agree that politics is a natural good for man, or what is it agan?",
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"text": "I think the Straussians are quite content with Madison's regime, as long as the Republicans are in power.",
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"text": "Sorry, I do not follow... how do you say Madison differs from A and P?",
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"text": "I think you are wrong about Madison creating a regime that is \"open to higher things\". He already has the highest thing protected: individual liberty. But to keep his version of the highest thing safe, Madison has to shut the door on any \"faction\" that would establish a truly common good. This, Matthew, is the core of our disagreement.",
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"text": "This is why I say that Madison created a super faction, all of whom agree that individual liberty is the highest good. Here is an example where the words \"highest good\" clearly do not have the same meaning.",
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"text": "And since they agree that individual liberty is the highest good, they chaff at any suggestion that there is anything higher that should bind us all.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, that is quite a leap: to say that Madison quelled faction that would cause a common good, and to say he created a super faction! What do you make of the Bill of Rights?",
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"text": "All: Did TAC kill the link in the status on purpose? Should we relink to TAC? Or should I start linking to whatever the 'ell I want?",
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"text": "Um, what link is dead? Cause it worked for me if you mean \"my radical \"great booksy\" alma mater, Thomas Aquinas College\"",
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"text": "Well, it sure doesn't look like all agree that individual liberty is the highest good when I look to our laws. Heh. In fact, it seems that equality and liberty are always fighting each other, along with notions of very real and true common goods, regardless of means.",
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"text": "John Boyer: that's my own tag - I'm speaking of the link to the theses.",
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"text": "Feil Samantha: so, when I moved to Atlanta after graduation, my dad had me meet with this businessman whom he knew. The hope was that he would give me a job, but alas, he was somewhat eccentric, and his idea of how to help me get ahead in the world was sending me to an industrial psychologist. So this guy gave me a bunch of personality tests (and declared me an INTJ), and then told me what I should be (a lawyer). I remain somewhat dubious about personality types in general. When I read the descriptions of INTJ traits, some of them sound like me, and some don't. It seems only slightly more precise than astrology to me.",
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"text": "For Madison it is liberty, but he did not fully anticipate the influence of Rousseau and the slow take over by the principle of equality that de Tocqueville feared.",
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"text": "Hmmm that's interesting.... Why would they remove the link?",
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"text": "We do agree on this, I suspect: the regime is coming apart, and the lovers of equality over liberty are in charge.",
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"text": "Did they just change it then?",
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"text": "But Plato and Aristotle, knowing well the nature of the democratic soul, predicted this descent long ago.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, the highest principle in Madison's political philosophy is God the Creator of human liberty. If you are not willing to answer how you feel he disagrees with Aristotle, but instead make additional opinionated claims such as he failed to anticipate Rousseau, then it is increasingly difficult to follow your train of thought.",
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"text": "I think most regimes are usually coming apart. If fact, most institutions.\nTo me you are blaming secondary structural aspects that are good and not bad, and neutral to what you oppose.",
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"text": "Prudence is not, as you suggest above, about winning. You equivocated on \"win\" when you equated politics with just war.",
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"text": "I tend to be a hugely uncompromising ass when it comes to theory, but in practice I tend to be more . . . able to see gray areas. Madisonian politics is the latter for me.",
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"text": "No, I point to the secondary structural aspects as evidence of Madison's principles. As I said, division in government is much older than Madison. Madison's problem is that he thinks we, by nature, are fundamentally divided. By fallen nature, yes. By nature simply, no.",
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"text": "Of course - practical refers properly to means ordered to right ends. Your problem with the word \"winning\" and, indeed, your fundamental error is simply not thinking politically at all. And by that I do not mean disregarding morality or the common good.",
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"text": "So how do you define politics?",
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"text": "\"Jeffrey Bond And since they agree that individual liberty is the highest good, they chaff at any suggestion that there is anything higher that should bind us all.\"\nWhat is higher?",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, I have read every entry of tNET and I do not see where you have every really explained what you regard as the fundamental difference between Aristotle and Madison. You seem to be describing Madison as a godless libertarian.",
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"text": "When did Matthew J. Peterson change the disclaimer to include the possibility that some of us are mentally ill? Not that it's not obviously true, of course.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson: I wrote: \"Madison says in Federalist 10 that \"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit.\" But what does Madison mean by \"justice\"? Based on this passage and others like it, it seems clear that Madison identifies justice with liberty. For Madison, justice is not, as St. Thomas defined it, \"a habit whereby a man renders to each one his due with constant and perpetual will.\" Justice in this traditional sense requires giving God and neighbor what they are due, as opposed to Madisonian justice which is the accidental outcome of ambition having been made to counteract ambition so that men can then get whatever they can get in the interstices.\"\nYou wrote in response: \"The passage you cite does NOT equate liberty with justice. In fact, one cannot make sense of it if that is the case. The passage you cite reveals that Madison does NOT equate liberty with justice - it proves MY point. What he means is that we treasure justice so much, that we will give up liberty and self-government in the pursuit of it. He is referring to demagogues and tyrants who arise in the midst of radically democratic mayhem and INJUSTICE, which is what he specifically complains of in the states, repeatedly.\"\nI think the burden is on you, Matthew, to say what Madison meant by justice if he did not equate it with liberty. (Especially since that is the mainstream view on Madison, yes? Hence, my reading here is hardly \"esoteric\".) Are you saying that Madison agreed with St. Thomas' definition of justice? Madison is certainly not in agreement about justice requiring both the individual and state to give God His due. And what is due to each citizen is, for Madison, negative not positive. Each is due the liberty to pursue happiness as he sees fit, for happiness is fundamentally subjective for Madison. Were it otherwise, he could not speak as he does and allow its attainment, in principle, to be left to the shifting sands of temporary equilibrium created by the conflict between factions.",
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"text": "IronicaIIy, we have the reIigious who beIieve that reIigion shouId be imbedded within government, even though the Founders understood the bad resuIts of this thoroughIy, and yet, go baIIistic at the thought that Sharia Iaw couId become imbedded.",
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"text": "John Ashman, what's ironic about people supporting one kind of theocracy, and not another?",
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"text": "Scott Weinberg, how could you have read everything written on this thread (and others) on the debate about Madison and Aristotle and not seen over and over again that, at least according to my argument, they differ on teleology?",
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"text": "John Ashman, you wrote: \"Jeffrey Bond And since they agree that individual liberty is the highest good, they chaff at any suggestion that there is anything higher that should bind us all.\"\nWhat is higher?\nTruth. As in, \"the Truth will set you Free.\"",
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"text": "It is not hypocritical if she is convinced of the truth of that religion. Even so, she said nothing about forcing the religion on someone else.",
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"text": "You are assuming a different kind of interlocutor than the ones you've got here I think, John Ashman.",
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"text": "And John, are you not trying to \"force\" your nonreligious position on others?",
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"text": "\"It is not hypocritical if she is convinced of the truth of that religion.\"\nYes it is.",
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"text": "Is yours not a \"deeply held belief\"? Why is your belief exempt from your critique?",
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"text": "Nope. I beIieve that states that promote atheism are as dangerous or more dangerous than those who promote reIigion. The proper roIe of government is to neither promote, not infringe.",
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"text": "The danger here lies in thinking Plato is right simply or practically or absolutely re statecraft as soulcraft, and what \"soulcraft might be given the birth of \"priestcraft\".\nNow, the goal is still \"living well\" as opposed to simply living or the city of pigs.\nBut the problem is that the more we bear down on what the last highest best purpose of human beings is the more disagreement there is. The question becomes how we convince or force people to act as if or agree that our understanding of that end is right or true.\nFurther, there is the problem of organization. We are naturally social, but we are rational. Governments don't grow wholly organically. We construct them in no small part. And it is not clear how this ought to be done.",
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"text": "I'm actually on the anti-theocracy side of tNET, but I don't think the right argument against theocracy is that it's ironic, or hypocritical. As Dr. Spaceman said, that only applies if you assume there isn't a true religion.",
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"text": "So you have mastered all the religions of the world and KNOW they are all false. How do you know that, John?",
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"text": "But since they don't, they're just mistaken about the best way to promote the good through human government",
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"text": "Same problem arises for our position in nature. We are in some way of the highest beings on earth and in charge over it. But it is beyond us in many ways, and our ignorance is overwhelming.",
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"text": "I will check out the church of what's happenin' now to get updated!",
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"text": "\"Accepted in meaning\" is the true authority?",
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"text": "Of course, the reIigious rareIy beIieve they are aggressing, they are saving peopIe by chopping their heads off.",
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"text": "Again, there is no true authority. there are 7biIIion of them.",
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"text": "I recall you said elsewhere that we can only know \"accepted\" meaning, not objective meaning. So why should anyone take seriously any claim you make? What motivates you to speak? The desire for power?",
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"text": "I asked what motivated you to speak. That puzzles me if we cannot, in principle, come to know something as it is.",
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"text": "When you say \"There is no objective meaning,\" is what you mean objective?",
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"text": "I did answer long ago. Truth.",
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"text": "Check out the court records, John. I did answer you.",
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"text": "If meaning were subjective, I would not know what you meant by that claim.",
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"text": "truth such as...taII taIes about a dead person?",
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"text": "we agree on the meaning of subgective and obGective as we use them. but we created those meanings. they weren't there before. It is a product of our mind.",
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"text": "Your mind, you mean.",
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"text": "On your own theory, you cannot know my mind.",
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"text": "do you disagree with the dictionary?",
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"text": "that's why I can't teII you how to Iive.",
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"text": "The dictionary is now the supreme authority?",
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"text": "and you have no direct Iine to god that you have argued, Iet aIone proven.",
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"text": "what truth do you need to impose upon me?",
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"text": "We are just talking about natural reason here, John. If you cannot see that meaning is not subjective, then I don't think talking about Jesus is going to help us communicate better.",
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"text": "The truth imposes itself on all, John. It needs no help from me.",
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"text": "\"What we have here is a failure to communicate.\"",
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"text": "so there's no need for reIigion in government or forced reIigion of any type.",
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"text": "\"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player\nThat struts and frets his hour upon the stage\nAnd then is heard no more: it is a tale\nTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury,\nSignifying nothing.\"",
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"text": "what is the use of truth to a government? what type of truth has it the authority to force?",
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"text": "True religion cannot be forced. You are the only one talking of force.",
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"text": "Pilate: \"What is truth?\"",
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"text": "I am still wondering how you exempt yourself from your own position, John. Are you not making truth claims here? And if you are not, what is motivating you to speak?",
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"text": "Power? Prestige? Idle curiosity?",
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"text": "You have claimed to KNOW that all religions are false. Is that not a massive claim to truth?",
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"text": "You have claimed to KNOW that all meaning is subjective. Is that not a massive claim to truth?",
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"text": "when did I cIaim that truth doesn't exist?",
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"text": "If I misunderstood you, I apologize. So you do think we can know things objectively?",
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"text": "What if only his meaning is subjective. How can he be sure it is not?",
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"text": "i thinq we can get to the point where we accept them as obgective, via scientific proof, math and demonstration. But wiId, after the fact cIaims don't reaIIy cut it for that.",
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"text": "i wonder if Mary new she was a virgin.",
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"text": "Are they objective because we accept them as so? Or do we accept them because they are objective?",
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"text": "these things shouId maqe aII christians doubt their authority to impose their beIiefs on others.",
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"text": "I am trying to grasp what you mean by truth, John, but you're not helping because \"force\" and \"imposing\" seem to be all you can think about.",
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"text": "Humans are faIIibIe enought that \"obective truths\" aiways Ieave the door open to questioning. but the more proof, evidence, math, the better. I mean, seriousIy, not even Jews thinq Jesus was the son of God.",
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"text": "I'm trying to find out what truth has to do with government. why is this more important than protection of freedom.",
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"text": "Is your position as just stated--that \"objective truths\" are always tentative--also tentative?",
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"text": "Or do you know that your claim is unalterably true?",
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"text": "what does truth have to do with government and why is it more important htan freedom?",
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"text": "what does truth have to do with government and why is it more important htan freedom?",
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"text": "John, you are shifting ground. Please answer the question.",
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"text": "not untiI you answer mine first. Mine has precedence from way bacc. YOu'er the one moving the goaI posts to avoid baccing up your statement.",
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"text": "John, if we cannot agree that the mind can know things as they are, then there is no point in discussing anything. That question takes precedence over anything, does it not?",
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"text": "not reaIIy, but nice dodge.",
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"text": "i accept your surrender.",
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"text": "You are a most gracious man, John. But what does surrender mean?",
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"text": "*tags in*\nThe first important distinction is the meaning of freedom. If that which is free is \"that which is unconditioned,\" then freedom would not be contingent upon the truth of what is, but nevertheless is meaningless in a world of dynamic and dependent interactions. If freedom is, however, \"the lack of determination to one particular,\" then freedom requires an understanding of that-to-which one can be determined and is consequently contingent upon that grasp, i.e., knowing things as they are.",
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"text": "I said above that once truth is dismissed, then power, prestige or some other goal becomes the goal of discussion. Since you are looking for surrender rather than truth, it seems you agree with my position.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "It's a real drag when grown men prefer not being wrong to reasonable discourse.",
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"text": "So I guess I was not mistaken when I said that you thought that truth does not exist, John.",
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"text": "Pot meet kettle.",
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"text": "If you don't believe in truth, freedom literally has no meaning",
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"text": "Can anyone tell me why the Arab world is upset with the US? We've done so much for them. We've given them the gifts of western democracy, we've toppled regimes and all the want to do is kill us.",
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"text": "Jeffrey Bond, it is not immediately obvious how Aristotle and Madison differ in the area of theology. Aristotle was a philosopher, and Madison was a political philosopher and statesman. They both believed that truth and freedom come from God. There is not this radical difference you suppose. You also claimed Aristotle and Hobbes were opposites. This is not exactly clear either. Perhaps you not exactly engaged on solid ground, in this \"conversation\"?",
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"text": "\"It's a real drag when grown men prefer not being wrong to reasonable discourse.\" HAHAHAHAHA",
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"text": "Ha-ha... ha.",
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"text": "Kettle and pot indeed, Jeff.",
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"text": "Kettle, pot, charcoal and burnt remains all at once.",
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"text": "It seems to me Madison and Aristotle are most different in that one was Greek, and the other an American, one lived before Christ, the other lived after Christ. One was a Christian, the other not.",
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"text": "Aristotle wrote a book titled Politics. Madison did not. There, that is another difference. Can we agree?",
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"text": "John Ruplinger: my take on the beliefs of Jefferson is based on reading a ton of Jefferson. I think I've read every word he ever wrote about religion or God, but who knows.\nHe thought you could prove the existence of God with reason. That Christ was the greatest moral teacher, but obviously not divine. He eschewed the revelation of Christianity. He didn't believe in a watchmaker God, either, quite, as he did speak of God intervening or some sort of overarching justice that was a touch providential from time to time.",
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"text": "This is Jefferson's personal spin on what the University of Virginia should do. It reveals him pretty well:\n\"In conformity with the principles of our Constitution, which places all sects of religion on an equal footing, with the jealousies of the different sects in guarding that equality from encroachment and surprise, and with the sentiments of the Legislature in favor of freedom of religion, manifested on former occasions, we have proposed no professor of divinity; and the rather as the proofs of the being of a God, the creator, preserver, and supreme ruler of the universe, the author of all the relations of morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer, will be within the province of the professor of ethics to which adding the developments of these moral obligations, of those in which all sects agree, with a knowledge of the languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, a basis will be formed common to all sects. Proceeding thus far without offence to the Constitution, we have thought it proper at this point to leave every sect to provide, as they think fittest, the means of further instruction in their own peculiar tenets.\"",
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"text": "AGAIN, consider this:\n\"We have proposed no professor of divinity; and the rather as the proofs of the being of a God, the creator, preserver, and supreme ruler of the universe, the author of all the relations of morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer, will be within the province of the professor of ethics to which adding the developments of these moral obligations, of those in which all sects agree, with a knowledge of the languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, a basis will be formed common to all sects. \"",
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"text": "Pope Scott says \"my belief comes from God, not from someone trying to talk my belief into existence.\" Related to the atheist and Eskimo story above - why can't God give you belief through the persuasive words of others?",
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"text": "When this understanding broke down as to what reason could do in regard to morality (of the general harmony re ethics between religion and reason and proofs for the existence of God, etc.) that's when things began to fall apart. This was the key to making it all work.",
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"text": "Absolute morality in a relativism of theology (or there about). This seems to simultaneous and directly argue against Scott's \"we are all at the same God\" and Ashman's \"there are no objective truths\". \nIt seems there is something real and perceived, but the specifics are not necessary for the state to exist.",
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"text": "Exactly, Matthew, that's why Jefferson's god is not my God. Pretty clear",
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"text": "If Jefferson's God isn't any of you people's God, then neither is Aristotle's.",
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"text": "But the key to the founding era was that most folks were Christians, and even the elites who were most \"modern\" thought something akin to Jefferson above.",
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"text": "are you Catholic? Do you believe in the trinity? getting there",
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"text": "it is absurd, however, to say that \"nature and nature's god\" in the declaration is the same as the One True Triune God of true religion",
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"text": "?",
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"text": "When Madison et al came up with the concept of man being endowed by God with unalienable rights, this was just a revised opinion of Aristotle's belief in God...",
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"text": "Once again, read closely, Joel HF (the \"watchmaker\" bit was false concerning many \"deists\" of the time). \"Preserver.\" As well as all the occasions where Jefferson talks (even privately) about providential justice, etc.\n\"We have proposed no professor of divinity; and the rather as the proofs of the being of a God, the creator, preserver, and supreme ruler of the universe, the author of all the relations of morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer, will be within the province of the professor of ethics to which adding the developments of these moral obligations, of those in which all sects agree, with a knowledge of the languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, a basis will be formed common to all sects.\"",
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"text": "If anything, Joel HF, Jefferson's understanding was far closer to Christianity than Aristotle's. That's almost beyond question. He thought Christ the great moral teacher, likely thought that the universe had a beginning, and knew of Christian virtues and thought them overlapping with what reason would tell you to a large extent.",
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"text": "bwahahaha - Christianity as a historical accident of missing the indefinite article. Good one John Ashman",
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"text": "a lot of paparazzi? How about 5000 people at a sermon. How about centurions seeking him out? Pilate interviewing him? \nI think, John Ashman, that you read as well as you believe",
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"text": "because of this \"non-existent\" force government uses every day.",
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"text": "Lack of logic? Hmm, did you even read the article you posted?",
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"text": "It's more IogicaI than the CathoIic story of immacuIate conception, creepy Geoseph, resurrection and aII the other potpourri of paganism tossed into it.",
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"text": "The term \"Christianity\" sadly has been watered down to mean all sorts of belief structures which includes every crAzy Combination of fact and fiction.\nLike larry Niven's \"third church of Jesus Christ, cosmonaut\"",
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"text": "It's the whoIe \"but...the 2nd Amendment didn't mean Christianity\" thing. It especiaIIy meant Christianity.",
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"text": "We all know Jesus was an alien, beamed down from the heavens, and spent the last 3 years teaching the disciples how to make crop circles. There is my op piece for the day.",
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"text": "IncIuding the originaI crazy combination of fact and fiction from the Popes. And I can thinq of no better proof of there being no God than the survivaI of many of Popes during the middie ages when God wouId have caIIed these bastards home for a discussion before sending them on to heII.",
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"text": "Iiz, that actuaIIy sounds reIativeIy normaI by comparison. It at Ieast acqnowiedges technoIogy and science.",
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"text": "BUt it's cooI because \"it's those Mormons and scientoIogists and MusIims that are nuts, not US! Because we have TRUTH on our side\".",
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"text": "Ashman, do you believe in philosophy?",
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"text": "I'm not a school teacher, but believe that structured learning is better than unstructured",
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"text": "Would you agree?",
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"text": "Perhaps. OnIy when properIy done, as a guide, not as a Iecture.",
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"text": "So how can you guide me to what you know? How did you come to your beliefs?",
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"text": "Reading hitting up against hard, coId reaIity. It pushed me bacq into Iocqe and naturaI rights. but reIigion aIways seemed of no vaIue to me. except that I Iiqe certain aspects of cathoIicism, the focus on responsibiIity, atonement, apoIogy. Important factors for a heaithy Iife.",
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"text": "I'm a cold hard reality person. What next?",
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"text": "I am glad I missed some debates here (like the apparent argument with the Troll over the dogma that \"the sacrament of baptism is necessary, absolutely, as a necessity of means for salvation\"... no offense to Mr. Langley, but your answers were not very good considering that quote is dogma....reconciling baptism of desire/blood with it is possible, of course-though the denial of those are not heresy, since they are only sententia fidei proxima).\nAnd I guess I should be thankful that I cannot see this Ashman fellow...have no idea who that is",
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"text": "I don't now. You seem to be in deniai about force.",
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"text": "So, you never forced anyone to do anything, under impIied or express threat?",
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"text": "That is not the best way to act, since you'll just make the job harder",
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"text": "Have you? I bet you have!!!! Think long and hard.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, actual Molinism is not semi-pelagian, it is determinist in fact The Molinism of 99% of those who call themselves Molinists is semi-pelagian\nThe problem is people feel they need to take a camp when first introduced to the idea of predestination. It is a mixture of curiosity and pride (as if a complex theological debate would be decided upon based on the skewed and inaccurate articles of the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia). For his failings, Fr. Most at least understood Molinism fairly well, and unfortunately did not understand Thomism, though he claims to have once been one. I will post a bit after I restart my browser...FB does have some crappy scripts and glitches posting on the wall with TNET....",
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"text": "i don't deny the existence of force.",
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"text": "A thought? An idea?",
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"text": "Was it \"real\"",
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"text": "Unless you actively need to wrestle or \"apply force\" is there anything there?",
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"text": "coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.\n\"they ruled by law and not by force\"\nsynonyms:\tcoercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, oppression, harassment, intimidation, threats;",
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"text": "But that isn't real",
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"text": "If you have a gun, yes there is.",
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"text": "Your idea of force is not a real thing just your solipsistical idea of reality.",
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"text": "While I dig up some of my old writings on Molinism, I will leave you with this: Why is Scotus, who held so many things we now consider heretical, a doctor of the Church, when he isn't even a saint? Heck why do people feel justified claiming the IC against Aquinas, as a dismissive of him, when Scotus's positions on the sacraments, justification, orders, etc are all either heretical or theologically erroneous?",
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"text": "if someone disobeys, increasing IeveIs of force are used, are they not?",
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"text": "Handcuffs are force. TacqIing someone is force. Tasers are force.",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson--first, note that of course Jefferson is more of a christian than Aristotle, I never argued that he wasn't, just that their ideas of \"god\" were very dissimilar. Second, even a watchmaker may \"preserve,\" that doesn't get one to the natural knowledge of God himself. Third, as to the idea that Jefferson's idea of God was closer than Aristotle's to the Christian God (since you raise that question) note that Jefferson thought Christ was a \"great moral teacher\" thus clearly, though implicitly, denying that Christ was God.",
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"text": "Notice, Geff, that \"threat of vioIence\" is defined as force. And that was your Iever. Period. If it weren't, peopIe wouId wouId ignore you.",
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"text": "Handcuffs restrain..... But I can tell this is not your area of expertise..... You have non-real ideas of forces not applied.",
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"text": "The knowledge that the universe had a beginning has very little connection to the sort of God Aristotle and Jefferson envisioned. Actually, scratch that, to the extant that Jefferson's idea of God requires the universe to have a beginning, he is that much different than Aristotle. Which, once again, was my point. Which one was more \"christian\" is irrelevant to me, as neither was a Christian in any real sense of the world.",
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"text": "So... It is a quote is it real?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz--Scotus may be a medieval doctor, but he isn't a \"doctor of the church\" is he?",
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"text": "again, cops qiII peopIe every day and beat many more every day. It is absoIuteIy reaI.",
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"text": "Note that the small amount of substance that John Ashman offers for his trollish arguments about Jesus are identical with the assumptions of the modern \"scholars\" or the Bible. Jesus was a Jewish man, and Jewish men got married, so since Jesus didn't get married he must have been gay.",
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"text": "But it never happened to you? So it isn't real to you.",
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"text": "sure it is, because I now it can happen to me and wiII if I refuse to obey.",
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"text": "And Catherine, INTJs are a fine type to be, though I very much doubt you are actually an I",
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"text": "So things can be real that you have not directly experienced?",
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"text": "What of ethics and morality? Are they concepts as well that can be realized in act?",
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"text": "Joel HF you are right....he was only, bizarrely, beatified in 1993...",
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"text": "Linking to the guardian as a credible source makes me laugh... I should submit my \"Jesus was an alien theory\".",
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"text": "First any not heretical version of Molinism must affirm one simple reality. Total predestination is prior to foreseen sins. Anyone who says otherwise is a heretic.\n1. Molina's view was, as best can be determined, God sees in His scientia media (middle knowledge- between knowledge of necessary things, 2+2=4, and free choices, such as God's choice to create) the possible future contingents, He elects say Peter to grace and consequently chooses the world in which Peter consents. Based on his consent, God then predestines him to heaven. Some Molinists (not Congruists) hold that God first elects Peter to glory (unconditional election) and then the rest.\nSome congruists argue, rather convincingly, that he was heading in a more Congruist direction. But I will leave that alone as controvertible.\n2. Congruism differs in that God chooses the grace congruous or fitting to the foreseen circumstances, and in choosing the grace effects His election. Most Congruists would hold that God first predestines Peter to heaven, then foresees possible future contingents, then chooses the grace congruous to his consent, and so on. Whereas in the case of the reprobate, He may give grace, and the grace is truly sufficient, but He knows that cooperation will not be given\n3. Later versions of Molinism moved away from the principle of predefinition of graces. Though condemned and forbidden by Jesuits in the 17th century, this has yet to have any judgment of the Church rendered to it. The predominant version is that God sees possible future contingencies. In each some are consent, some do not. By choosing which one to actualize, He effectively predestines some to grace and reprobates others, not based on any predilection or intrinsic determination of grace. Based on the foreseen consent He then predestines them to heaven.\nThere are variations, such as trans-damnationism (which is, frankly, untenable, as it is essentially a denial of any election, and makes it so that the reprobate are impossible for God to have saved)\nIt must be kept in mind though, that whatever theory is chosen that the first grace and final perseverance remain unmerited, and that predestination in its totality is unmerited. The conditional Molinist position is that predestination to glory is based on foreseen merits, but still it remains that predestination taken as including both grace and glory is unmerited, since any merits come as gifts from God's grace anyways. In this way Molinism avoids semi-pelagianism and circular reasoning. Further, Molinism as approved in the Jesuit order, affirms that grace is efficacious in actu primo\nSee whether or not election to glory to based on foreseen merits or not, is actually a triviality. It is neither fundamental to the Molinist understanding nor its difference with Thomism, seeing as predestination taken in its totality is unconditional in any orthodox system.\nThe fundamental difference between plain Molinists and those that are Congruists is this, that the divine decree prearranges the consent given to the grace via God's will about X circumstances, in the Congruist system, whereas those who are not Congruists hold that the divine decree prearranges the grace which is seen in the scientia media to be efficacious.\nIn either interpretation of Molina we have God seeing possible futures, and choosing that cooperation will happen and arranging it, either in the circumstances (congruism) or the grace itself (Molinism).\nThe vast majority of Molinists hold that, even prior to God's foreknowledge, efficacious grace is already infallibly going to produce the salutary act. The difference between Thomism and Molinism is not the infallibility of this, but how the efficacy of grace is actually ensure. The ontological difference of sufficient and efficacious grace in the Thomist system exists because of the much older Augustinian distinction between grace which enables and grace which moves the will. In the Molinistic system, the grace itself does not have any intrinsic determining motion to it. Still there remains an infallible connection, in that God chooses, prior to the free determination of the will, that this grace will be efficacious\nSo God says, this grace will be efficacious. He then (to use crude language) consults His scientia media, and foresees under what circumstances and/or with what grace consent will be given, and He chooses to actualize those circumstances and/or that grace. Or, if the man is passed over, He does not actualize said circumstances/grace, though He still grants a grace truly and intrinsically sufficient. He just chose not to actualize the contingency or possible reality wherein the man consents.\nThere is a small minority of Molinists who have held that grace is not efficacious this way (called in actu primo and the predefinition of grace), but rather that God sends various graces and foresees the actual consent and bases His predestination to glory on that. So we do not have any predilection, nor congruous grace, etc. This sounds more like what you were holding and I was not aware of its existence as a deviation from Molina (who most certainly did not hold this). Probably a small minority as Jesuits were ordered not to teach it. From the little I have gathered from my source (Fr. Gonzalez S.J, De Gratia) there is more to it, but he makes only passing remarks. He does say something about choosing different orders (or possible world's if you like) for reprobation. Basically boils down to, in any number of various orders some will be damned. God chooses among which orders to actualize, and in so doing chooses the elect and the reprobate, but not by any special predilection for this man over that. There is even a version called trans-damnationism",
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"text": "Feil Samantha: at the time, he told me the \"I/E\" was the closest split (ie, I was only slightly more I than E). But I think I am more of a confirmed introvert as I get older. (NB that being talkative in certain situations does not necessarily make you an extrovert.) Anyways, that's not the part of the INTJ description that seems off to me. More the parts about being super driven and not procrastinating, etc",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat-- the assumptions of the method make it possible for them to make claims that are supposedly based on \"scholarship\" even though they have a total lack of evidence.",
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"text": "The Thomist rejection, of course, is that all of this posits that God's scientia media knows what you will do given X or Y, because He knows you all so well and can therefore foresee it. But this is now an effect is known from a necessary cause. One might remember Augustine's take down of that view of divine foreknowledge. He granted Cicero was right, that that denies free will, and then argued that God knows the will because He causes it....he actually sounds almost more Thomist here than Augustinian.\nIt amazes me that in actual academic treatments, Thomists are usually attacking Molinism as denying free will AND introducing potentiality in God...it is like te worse of both worlds",
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"text": "Oh, I know being a talker doesn't make you an Extrovert. I called Joel being an Introvert, for instance.",
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"text": "And John Ashman, if you actually think that Guardian article is \"deeper than that,\" then I'm concerned for you. The article is a sad exercise in wishful thinking, that's all.",
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"text": "Feil Anyways, what weirds me out about the personality types/temperaments thing is that I have met people who are so into it that they act like people are just puzzles, and that all of human interaction is just typing people and figuring out how to game the system.",
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"text": "As I said, it's total pseudo-science. There's a little something to it, that's all. Plus the guessing is fun",
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"text": "And I'm three for three on the people I know in real life who I guessed correctly",
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"text": "Feil (Sorry to drag on about the temperaments despite that part of the conversation having long since died down.)",
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"text": "Although I admit I would have guessed you were an ENTJ, Catherine. I used to think I was an Introvert, but then I realized I was just hanging around too many idiots.",
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"text": "Feil Yeah, I don't think it's complete garbage, I just think people can become a little obsessive about it.",
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"text": "Mrs. Cohoe, are you familiar with the position, trying to avoid the more stupid consequences of denying Christ's beatific knowledge (such as saying He had Faith), that He was given prophetic knowledge of who He was?\nEven when modern scholars agree that certain positions are BS, they seem to presume you can never go back to the old position....I got in trouble at the DSPT for saying that that view was \"impossible\" because that is inflammatory language...",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz, I don't quite understand your question, but I think the answer is yes?",
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"text": "There are lots and lots of things you simply can't say as a scholar of the Bible these days, not because they've been disproven, just because they aren't allowed",
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"text": "Weiss Personality types: just Aristotelian categories applied to personalities. Not science - just a means of organization.",
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"text": "I wish I could see that Medaille conversation. Ah well.",
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"text": "PIease don't try to speaq in traps, especiaIIy very poorIy Iaid ones. Actions and beIiefs are different. MoraIity at the end of a gun is simpIy Iow brow vioIence.",
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"text": "I meant this- some have refused to return to the view that Christ had the beatific vision, but also recognize the absurdity, e.g., of a wholly ignorant Christ or a Christ who only believes in Himself (by faith)\nSo they posit what they think is a compromise, that Christ knew who He was through infused \"prophetic knowledge\" Even though this is essentially denying all the claims of the modernist position, and is logically incoherent (as He would still have to have Faith, as no created species can be adequate for knowing the trinity!)",
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"text": "What's the motivation for denying Christ had the beatific vision?",
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"text": "John, I don't think your keyboard is really broken.",
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"text": "Originally, it went along with the denial of basically everything miraculous about Christ",
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"text": "Now some scholars are trying to use the same broken framework to come to slightly less hollow conclusions",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz is right, it can be pretty sad to watch.",
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"text": "GoeI HF - It is, but sometimes I cut and paste the missing Ietters. But your experience in this issue is zero.",
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"text": "I have evidence that you are an idiotic troll and that explains the inconsistently used \"hilarious\" misspellings just as well as occasional c&p and a broken keyboard.",
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"text": "Guess which geys are missing.\nasdfgh_____\nSee Translation",
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"text": "This is bizarre....someone who preemptively blocked me maybe? I am almost afraid to ask what he is actually saying",
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"text": "Jesus was gay, yada yada yada",
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"text": "what's wrong with him being gay? Homophobic much?",
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"text": "Oh so a blaspheming heretic that I would have to block immediately anyways....or, in person, punch in the face.",
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"text": "Government is force, church must be absolutely separated from state, truth is relative, etc.",
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"text": "pretty much. he's testing my \"I do not block\" policy",
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"text": "when and where has church and state being integrated caused a good resuIt with a Iow death count?",
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"text": "I think ignoring him might be the best policy",
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"text": "See I block people for my own soul's sake, lest I be tempted to anger",
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"text": "Go ahead and try.",
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"text": "I have children... so anger is something to be overcome continually. I don't get angry, just a head shake",
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"text": "historicaIIy, government has put the muscIe and vioIence behind the reIigion and has Ied to hundreds of thousands, even miiions of deaths over a disagreement about who created the universe. Because ironicaIIy, reIigions don't beIieve in Ietting God handIe the gudgment.",
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"text": "And the Founders throrougIy understood this. Even though they were mostIy Christians. especiaIIy because they were and new the historicaI consequences of government and reIigion as one united force.",
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"text": "now Joshua, he's trying further and more extreme statements for a response, since I suggested ignoring his dumb ass",
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"text": "FeeI free, seriousIy. I get more accompIished that way..",
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"text": "I wonder if he has a tinfoil hat collection?",
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"text": "Yes. And they aII have a picture of a chiId with a moustache on them.",
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"text": "I think I'll just listen to some tunes, until the wife and 2 kids get home for Rosary call\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeh8Ci4DMwI\nHalo Benders - God Don't Make No Junk (Full Album)\ndice el tano culiao de Scaruffi (http://www.scaruffi.com/vo...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "So we can discusses if Scotus was closer to protestantism than he was to how we think of the sacraments and justification?\nI am in a Scotus bashing mood today...so Scotus's view that justification is purely a legal reality, and not an actual change in the person, is this connected with his view that God could make rape lawful, because natural law is just whatever God decrees?\nHow about is view on the Eucharist, of adductionism?\nWhy is Scotus recommended again?",
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"text": "I don't know. A friend of mine said he was beatified in 1993 because he finally made it out of purgatory",
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"text": "Come again, Mr. Kenz? Scotus said what now?",
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"text": "but seriously, it is hard to have a theological discussion with the dulcet sounds of the Halo benders in the background...",
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"text": "HEY. Dissing pictures of people's children is OFF LIMITS.",
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"text": "HARD NO.",
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"text": "HEY! you're breaking the \"ignore the worse than Perescott troll\" rule",
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"text": "Sorry. I missed that we made that a rule.",
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"text": "I don't really think of myself as a Protestant, btw. I'm an evangelical.",
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"text": "wife and kids are home. It's Rosary time for me anyhoo....",
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"text": "?",
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"text": "Evangelicals are people who define themselves and their lives and their faith by the good news of the announcement of the kingdom by Jesus of Nazareth.",
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"text": "that's an Os Guiness quote.",
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"text": "I don't know, man. I guess I'm a Protestant, but mainline Protestantism is kind of not the movement my lived Christianity is best described by",
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"text": "It's a broad movement, for sure, but it's not defined by that stuff",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe HEY. Dissing pictures of people's children is OFF LIMITS.\n....but...but....he has a moustache!",
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"text": "Samantha resist the urge",
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"text": "Ferrier May the Evangelicals, and the Orthodox, and all who claim the name of Christ, be One. Amen.",
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"text": "so... hard...",
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"text": "Ferrier Bless you, Samantha.",
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"text": "thanks, Mr. Richard Delahide Ferrier",
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"text": "singing hymns at your house is one of my very best TAC memories",
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"text": "Ferrier We are doing it tomorrow!",
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"text": "funny that, my favorite TAC memory is studying Heidegger at casa Ferrier",
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"text": "I'm suddenly seized with the hope that Mr. Ferrier hasn't been following tNET *too* closely...",
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"text": "Ferrier rest assured.",
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"text": "Ferrier For now, I watch it to admire the good sense and large learning of Matthew J. Peterson",
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"text": "and his patience to step back....",
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"text": "Ferrier Michael Beitia; I think that if anyone has no sympathy with Heidegger, that person is defective. I think the same about Lincoln, and even Madison.",
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"text": "favorite Ferrier quote about Nietzsche \"What a waste of greatness! And yet, not totally a waste.\"",
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"text": "Ferrier Did I really say that?",
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"text": "overheard after some extracurricular seminar, or lecture, or something.",
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"text": "Oh yes. I have a very good memory.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Bless me fr Beitia, for I have sinned, I fell to temptation and fed trolls, in particular denying their arguments of metaphysical forces. Damn the man. Amen.\n(Edit: Sam, \"the man\" is not a person. \"",
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"text": "Let's not damn people, especially after Mr. Ferrier showed up.",
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"text": "Maybe John Ashman just hasn't ever met anyone able to point out the obvious contradictions inherent in his position before.",
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"text": "Samantha, much like you, whenever someone I respect a lot pops into TNET, I am suddenly brought back to the dark reality that there are many people lingering in the shadows of TNET, and I suddenly get very self-conscious about what I have posted. Luckily, I read more than I post here...",
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"text": "One time Mr. Dragoo liked something I said, and I panicked for a while.",
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"text": "Lol... When you graduated with Brian it is a bit less intimidating.",
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"text": "For the record, I'm a lovely person in real life.",
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"text": "Also, Matthew J. Peterson, I object to the placement of the modernist acronym (\"tNET\") in the official heading of TNET.",
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"text": "Samantha, I'm simpIy waiting for someone to point to them. The Iast severaI attempts required word swapping and straw man buIding. I want to maqe sure aII you you wiII be in church tomorrow, because I wiII be.",
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"text": "I didn't follow super closely, but I'm pretty sure Dr. Spaceman and a couple others did a solid job dismantling your \"arguments.\"",
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"text": "Dr Ferrier apparentIy beIieves I'm defective, because aIthough I have nothing but respect for Madison, I have zero sympathy for Iincoin. The man caused the greatest hoIocaust in American history for one reason. Pride.",
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"text": "And Nietzsche, for aII his 'errors', maqes you thinq.",
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"text": "Sorry you feel that way. But as a majority rule situation, you'd be outvoted. (Regarding the civil war)",
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"text": "The magority has never been famousIy correct about the nature of things.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yet here we are. \nPurchase a tombstone that says \"I'm going to prove myself right\".",
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"text": "Fighting to preserve the Union was much bigger than any one man's pride.",
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"text": "I always did like Pascal's Wager. \nPoor motivates but good game theory.",
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"text": "I think it's pretty good motivation, myself",
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"text": "Sean, that is my convention, per the suggestion of Pater. tis not heretical, but a latent understanding that the definite article does not deserve a capital letter in the acronym.",
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"text": "Why? There was absoIuteIy nothing sancrosanct about it. \ni assume you beIieve that if a woman wants a divorce from an abusive husband, that he has the right to beat her or even murder her because the marriage is more important than freedom.",
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"text": "Never mind, I don't want to talk to you about this.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Mr Dragoo, though older, was a year behind me in classes at TAC. I still find it odd that he's a tutor, not because he isn't deserving, but because it makes me feel old...",
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"text": "You are old. I'm old, and you are older, QED",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "\"Purchase a tombstone that says \"I'm going to prove myself right\".\"\nthat wouId be exceIIent on IincoIn's tomb.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "but today is Brian Dragoo's birthday!\nhe's the oldest!",
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"text": "\u201cAt thirty one\u2019s beginning to age, and one\u2019s got to squeeze all one can out of life.\u201d Camus, The Plague (tr. S. Gilbert).",
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"text": "06ers are all turning 30.",
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"text": "I love Camus. anyone want to take a pot shot at that!?",
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"text": "the Rebel is fantastic",
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"text": "\"Never mind, I don't want to talk to you about this.\"\ni wouIdn't expect it. That was a checqmate.",
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"text": "ha you would",
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"text": "of course..... St. Augustine, however, says that 33 is the perfect age. I found that to be true.... so far",
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"text": "That's something to look forward to I suppose",
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"text": "Nice quote.",
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"text": "haha, I should have given you credit Joel. sorry",
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"text": "sure, but for the people who embarked on the war, preserving the union was the real motivator",
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"text": "absurd to reduce the desire to preserve the Union to the pride of one person. New troll knows history like he knows theology.",
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"text": "Jeff, you mentioned game theory. What do you make of the Prisoner's dilemma?",
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"text": "I aIways have thought that friendship shouId be maintained at the end of a gun. It's that important.",
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"text": "Dude, you are arguing against a position no one has put forward.",
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"text": "sorry, sorry",
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"text": "who is that guy, anyway? I thought he was your friend",
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"text": "I know it's tempting, but realize that everything that's typed is just fodder",
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"text": "we have butted heads before. I accused him of being an idiot libertarian",
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"text": "oh yeah, he was the tea party guy. it's starting to come together a bit.",
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"text": "Samantha - \"Fighting to preserve the Union was much bigger than any one man's pride.\"\ni assume this to mean that the ends gustified the means, but I apoIogize if you were against the invasion of the South.",
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"text": "yes, it is a sad state of trolling, but much easier to ignore that Scott. I \"gust\" don't think he gets it",
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"text": "I do prefer my trolls to be a bit less cliche.",
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"text": "Dear Perescott, for all his faults, is not a typical example of anything",
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"text": "well, other than the typical can't think straight without #Specialgnosis",
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"text": "even his not-thinking-straight is in a special, idiosyncratic way.",
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"text": "it's poetic. but bad poetry, like Donne....",
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"text": "it must be sad to have such a shriveled, modern soul.",
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"text": "To answer last night's question, my children do not know of episodes 1-3, Or just that they were not worth watching.",
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"text": "how old is your oldest, Jeffie?",
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"text": "Star Wars? You guys didn't find anyone to defend 1-3, did you?",
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"text": "Good. tNET can be crazy, but not *that* crazy",
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"text": "Star Wars is weird for me, personally. the first movie I saw in a theater was \"Return of the Jedi\" but I'm too young to have seen the other two there. I saw episode 1 when it came out because I was dragged there.",
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"text": "Nicely done.",
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"text": "consequently, they've seen them, but I haven't... unless you count playing Lego Star Wars, the complete saga on Wii, which I beat",
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"text": "but since I have raised them to be hypercritical of everything.... well, there you have it",
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"text": "CALEB'S HOME BYE",
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"text": "Who is an idiot libertarian?",
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"text": "Is there another troll I cannot see?",
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"text": "I think she's cheating on us. What is a Caleb?",
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"text": "Joshua, I can't use his name, but it's the blasphemer that you would have blocked at any rate...",
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"text": "but to be realistic, all libertarians are idiots....",
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"text": "that's not a defect in you, Jeff",
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"text": "Iibertarians have the highest IQ of any poIiticaI ideoIogy. In fact, a recent study puts us in with conservatives and admits we are the one that keep you in the game with IibruIs.",
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"text": "you live in Cali, right Joshua?",
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"text": "A Iibertarian is essentiaIIy someone who agrees point for point with Thomas Gefferson phiIosophicaIIy or with Iocke, I beIieve, minus the variation in reIigious beIiefs, as there is no set Iibertarian stance on God or Gesus.",
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"text": "Josh blocked me as well",
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"text": "The even more amusing thing to us about the \"Iibertarains are idiots\" duIIardry is that every time a study is done by IiberaIs, they try to Iump us in with them and everytime conservatives do one, they try to Iump us in with them too. It's great to be the first picked for the team.\nBoth of the teams hate us, yet both desperateIy want us on the team come IQ measuring time.",
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"text": "do you see his posts, Jeff?",
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"text": "John! you're back. Haven't seen you in awhile. How's it going?",
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"text": "Yes",
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"text": "You're weIcome [smiIey face]",
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"text": "I never saw Ashman! So never had the opportunity to block him ",
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"text": "how do you feel about the gun laws of California?",
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"text": "They are written by absolute morons, for the most part. The few that aren't moronic in se, such as the handgun safety certificate, are only there as stepping stones toward something moronic (explanation: of the 14 states requiring a permit to BUY a handgun, California is the easiest...easier than Nebraska, North Carolina....the certificate is given by the gun dealer there and then, and is good for 5 years...whereas you have to go to the courthouse in Nebraska or the police in North Carolina, unless you have a CCW...so don't believe it when people say California requires classes before buying or other things like that...they don't. I don't mind the HSC as it stands [it was better, perhaps, when it was lifetime] since even a cracked addled bonobo can pass the safety test for one...it really is a very basic quiz on common sense.\nBut things like the roster or the different definition of an short barrelled shotgun (because so many crimes were commit with the Circuit Judge/sarc), or the banning of .50 BMG, except for M2s which you can totally own. The granting of licenses for real machine guns to those tangentially related to the movie biz, even though they don't need them, but denying them to Class 3 holders....lots of it makes no sense, even from a pro-gun control perspective. Heck have a CA CCW? Feel free to carry in bars and schools, which you cannot in say Arizona or Texas...but make it capricious to get one. In one country having hunters safety training might suffice, in other (Los Angeles) you have to be a donor to the sheriff or live in El Monte (police chief there grants them, under fairly strict standards but not capricious for once) .\nAnyhow, California is not as anti-gun as portrayed...it is more gun-schizo. The same legislature that passed mircostamping also actually passed CCW reform that made it easier to carry (though most sheriffs ignore the law) The same legislature that tried passing ammo permit requirements and banning mail order (struck down by CA courts), passed an NRA backed bill outlawing the taking of guns during a declared emergency\nThe same state whose US Senators have bemoaned stand your ground in Florida, has had stand your ground since forever...we have never not had it. And in this same state, the law found no fault with te Korean shop owners who fired on black rioters during the Rodney King rioting...because the law justifies even homicide by a civilian in the suppression of a riot or the protection of real property.\nYou get the picture....kind of schizo",
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"text": "No, my wife and I are both blocked by Kenz, we do not see him. \nIn California the gun laws vary by county. Just a couple months ago they changed the county restrictions in a few counties to allow concealable weapon carry permits with Minimal justification.",
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"text": "Ashman, why would a person want to join the libertarian party, why not be independent?",
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"text": "Jeffie, don't do it...",
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"text": "We don't usuaIIy. I have been and forever wiII be a member of no party.",
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"text": "\"moronic in se\" is my new favorite legal term.",
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"text": "There are many more Iibertarians than there are that beIong to the party. Iibertarianism is a very MOR phiIosophy.",
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"text": "I'm still surprised no one is going to stand with Umberto Eco with me",
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"text": "BTW, all bought in California. Now that the court has struck down the 10 day waiting period (which, btw, was shortened by the liberal CA legislature from 15 days, in the mid 90's as electronic systems allowed faster checks...which again destroys the black and white narrative) the remain CA process may take 5-15 minutes longer than say in Arizona.\nNecopma (Ruger SR45), Apsit (Springfield 40 subcompact) and Pia Nona (Ruger Vaquero .357 magnum) Missing are my Ruger 10/22, the Bauer baby brown clone I have, and the Marlin 336C I sold due to being poor but miss terribly.\nI am debating, if I ever get ahead financially, buying an AK-47 or an AR-15...yes you can buy those in CA, without special permits are requirement...laws are confusing and complicated...leave it at that But probably neither...I like cowboy guns too much...lever action again I think...",
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"text": "I spent a lot of time as a miscreant growing up shooting both AR-15s and AKs . . . . I think it changes when you have children",
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"text": "\"against\" do you mean? I have thought about reading Eco but I am depressed enough (melancholic ya know).",
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"text": "not exactly John, more of an ignorance of something I find very interesting",
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"text": "Ashman, but why should I follow that belief? \nI am not party affiliated, I have worked too long in politically charged industries where joining one party or another was bad for business.",
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"text": "Iibertarianism? Most peopIe don't 'foIiow' exactIy. It's a hard course. You have to be abIe to say \"Iet's NOT make a Iaw, Iet's do this ourseives\" and \"I'm not going to Iet this bother me\". But it's very rationaI in the sense that there are no perfect soIutions, so if you're going to choose betwen two soIutions, both imperfect, and one costs nothing, the other costs $biIIons, why choose the expensive one? Mariuana causes a Iot of death, but onIy because it's iIIegaI. More Iaws, more crime, more taxes, more hassIe, Iower productivity, etc, etc. or you can thinq of it from a Iochean point of vew - it's onIy a beiief in naturaI rights and the wiIIingness to foIIow through on them.",
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"name": "Richard Delahide",
"text": "Ferrier Perhaps we should look to what moves us, and what we would suffer for. For me, that is, first, Christ and his Holy Church, and next, my beloved American Republic.",
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"text": "This is the nature of Iibertarianism. Each person chooses his battIes and goaIs. I know very many reIigious Iibertarians that view their beIiefs to be personaI and not universaI. For me, it is the Constitution, as the RepubIic has become the enemy of the peopIe.",
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"text": "Ferrier Here is a bit of the old time religion for those who have never known it, or, perhaps, forgotten it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m6iT-CX2QQ\nLou Reid and Carolina - It's Hard To Sumble\nvia YouTube Capture\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "It puzzles me how those two loves go together, Richard Delahide Ferrier. The American Republic has been the engine of the Enlightenment, which can almost be defined in terms of its anti-Catholicism. Locke's hatred for the Church comes immediately to mind.",
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"text": "Sadly, she has become so factious and divided . . . . [late again to post]",
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"text": "Ferrier I love you, Jeff, and I love America, and I think you are misled by a false idea about this republic. But, you are wonderful about the silly limits of Aristotle, and the wonders of Plato, and Eros.",
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"text": "I love you, Richard, and I love the American people, but I cannot love what America stands for. But if I have a false idea concerning America, I am open to hearing it. Do you disagree that America is essentially Locke land?",
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"text": "Ferrier I do.",
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"text": "Geoff, remember that the CathoIic Church for much of its history was dominated by eviI, poIitics and aII nature of sin and unGodIiness. It is onIy in the Iast 100-150 years that the Church has gone from vicitmizer to victim. i wouid be tortured or kiIIed for my beIiefs today.",
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"text": "If not Locke land, then what animates the American regime?",
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"text": "Ferrier St. Paul, and the law written on the heart. Plus a healthy rejection of the Old World's trust in Princes.",
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"text": "How is St. Paul at the heart of the American regime?",
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"name": "Richard Delahide",
"text": "Ferrier And also a moderate trust in Locke and others ... not a dark and deep reading of them, but a common sense interpretation.",
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"text": "One does not need a dark and deep reading of Locke to see the threat to our beloved Church. It is right on the surface.",
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"text": "Ferrier You can get my mature sense of these things from here. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_25...\nAmazon Search\nAmazon.com: declaration statesmanship a course in american government\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "What is the threat? Freedom? IndividuaIity?",
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"text": "So many books, so little time. But I will check it out. In the meantime, your claims still puzzle me, especially given your love for Plato.",
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"text": "But I will not press you if you don't want to be pressed.",
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"text": "Ferrier You are kind. Let us both try to be moderate! blessings on you and yours. rdf",
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"text": "Well, if you insist. But I will press your friend, Matthew J. Peterson, whom I have become very fond of despite our differences.",
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"text": "Ferrier I reserve the right to intervene. And, I deeply agree with Matthew J. Peterson",
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"text": "So I gathered. Your intervention would always be welcome. Praying for your good health.",
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"text": "Ferrier Thanks. My kidneys are sort of letting me done at present!",
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"text": "everyone should be fond of Matthew despite his subtle serpentine Straussianism",
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"text": "Did you ever check out that source I recommended? Or is it just too funky?",
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"text": "Ferrier He follows the decent path of Lincoln, not the crooked ways of some alien intellectual.,",
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"text": "Mr. Jeffrey Bond, while not big on the founders or the definition of American patriotism as holding an ideology, and in fact while usually being the one yelled at for being anti-American, one thing that strikes me is that one of the myths both about the founders and America is that there is one, single monolithic ideology making up the idea of America.\nLocke? Certainly anti-Catholic. Even more so in his private correspondence (there are two versions of the essay on toleration...and one even more supports you contention). But did George Washington share the same sentiments when he banned Guy Fawkes day or wrote the pope back telling him he was free to appoint bishops and that the liberty of the Catholic Church would be safeguarded?\nEven Leo XIII, while condemning Americanism, still had much praise for America.\nI think it can be too simplistic to assume that the totality of what went into making America is the enlightenment ideals of the founders (even if we take the more radical statements of Madison and Jefferson as representing the group). Maybe it is destined to always be in competition with these ideals, but American society is as much founded on ideals of biblical law and religion/. The separation of Church and state here, e.g., does not look like the secularist regime that even now France or Mexico have...heck Mexico is very anti-Catholic in some of its laws, though for a long while those laws are more or less defunct in enforcement.",
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"text": "Certainly there is not one, single monolithic ideology making up the idea of America. But if America is to be an intelligible thing, it must have a core, and that core, I think, is Lockean. The other traditions that originally mitigated against Lockean ideals, have, in time, been subsumed by it, a proof of sorts that the Lockean ideals were dominate from the beginning. So while others think our woes are due to a departing from the founding, I argue that what we see today is the logical playing out of those principles.\nThe fact that Catholicism was not openly banned (as Samuel Adams, for example, desired) does make America appear to be better than the communist regimes, for example, that instituted atheism. But the agnostic position of America, and this Leo agrees with, is in fact no better in principle, and the danger is much more subtle. Open persecution has always strengthened the Church. The conversion of American Catholics to Lockean dogmatic tolerance appears to be much more deadly in the long run.",
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"text": "But, Joshua, can you say what were the criticisms of Leo XIII were? And this not to criticize the founding but to guard our souls. Even Pink recognizes that they have come to fruition.",
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"text": "I am not sure America is all that intelligible...",
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"text": "Well, we have some idea of what we are speaking of, do we not? America has been a force in the world and continues to be so. I think Locke would be very pleased were he among us. Though he would have recommended, as he did to England, that Catholics be treated as they were in Japan. On second thought, the conversion of American Catholics to his way of thinking would have made it unnecessary to push them into sulfur pits.",
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"text": "Here's my man Leo XIII on 'Merica and George Washington:\n\"Nor, perchance did the fact which We now recall take place without some design of divine Providence. Precisely at the epoch when the American colonies, having, with Catholic aid, achieved liberty and independence, coalesced into a constitutional Republic the ecclesiastical hierarchy was happily established amongst you; and at the very time when the popular suffrage placed the great Washington at the helm of the Republic, the first bishop was set by apostolic authority over the American Church. The well-known friendship and familiar intercourse which subsisted between these two men seems to be an evidence that the United States ought to be conjoined in concord and amity with the Catholic Church. And not without cause; for without morality the State cannot endure-a truth which that illustrious citizen of yours, whom We have just mentioned, with a keenness of insight worthy of his genius and statesmanship perceived and proclaimed. But the best and strongest support of morality is religion.\u201d\nReferring to what Washington said in his farewell address, with the help of Hamilton. And by the end of his life, I think Hamilton believed it.",
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"text": "Yes, the U.S. \"ought to be conjoined in concord and amity with the Catholic Church.\" Leo is prescribing, not describing, and obviously hoping to make the best of it. But when it comes to his analysis of the principles (apart from the people), it is clear Leo has grave doubts whether America became what it OUGHT to have become.",
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"text": "Leo is referring to Washington's Farewell address when he said this:\n\"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.\nIt is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?\nPromote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.\"",
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"text": "See Leo's Au Milieu des Sollicitudes, paragraph 28, where he speaks of the situation when, \"by a fortunate inconsistency, the legislator is inspired by Christian principles--and, though these advantages cannot justify the false principle of separation nor authorize its defence, they nevertheless render worthy of toleration a situation which, practically, might be worse.\"\nThe state is obliged to hold up religion and the moral law not by accident, but by intention. Toleration, for Leo, involves putting up with something that is bad in order to avoid what is worse. Let's not forget, then, that Leo thinks separation of Church and state, as America understands it, is bad.",
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"text": "Matthew, I see that Leo praises the protection of the Catholic Church, not praise for Washington's speach which would be at discord with what he says elsewhere.",
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"text": "He praises the amity and concord of prelate and president. Leo thinks it providential that the see is established at that hour.",
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"text": "In Immortale Dei Leo says this about the view that the state does not have any kind of duty toward God: \"Moreover, it believes that it is not obliged to make public profession of any religion; or to inquire which of the very many religions is the only one true; or to prefer one religion to all the rest; or to show to any form of religion special favor; but, on the contrary, is bound to grant equal rights to every creed, so that public order may not be disturbed by an particular form of religious belief.\"\n\"26. And it is a part of this theory that all questions that concern religion are to be referred to private judgment; that every one is to be free to follow whatever religion he prefers, or none at all if he disapprove of all. From this the following consequences logically flow: that the judgment of each one's conscience is independent of all law; that the most unrestrained opinions may be openly expressed as to the practice or omission of divine worship; and that every one has unbounded license to think whatever he chooses and to publish abroad whatever he thinks.\"\n\"27. Now, when the State rests on foundations like those just named--and for the time being they are greatly in favor--it readily appears into what and how unrightful a position the Church is driven.\"",
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"text": "Bwhahaha - John Ruplinger - you can at least admit that in the passage I cite from Longinqua Leo is, in fact, clearly referring to Washington's Farewell Address.",
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"text": "Maybe my issue is more with seeing the idea of America as defined by a set of ideals or ideology as if that is the essential and a priori principle that makes America to be a thing, to be a nation. I do think there is an American ideology of sorts, I just think that part of the mythology of that ideology is that it is ideology that binds people together in a society.",
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"text": "Fond of you too Jeffrey Bond. Much love going around tonight on the tNET.",
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"text": "I had fine tequila tonight, but its effect was clarifying.",
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"text": "I think that notion is right out of Aristotle, Joshua. The purpose of the regime, what it stands for--its vision of justice and the good life--are what make the regime a regime. A comic and a tragic chorus, he explains, are different even though the population and the territory they occupy are the same. So too we know when a regime has changed when its purpose changes, quite apart from the material causes that make it up.",
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"text": "Remember the old adage, Matthew: drink while debating legislation, but delay the vote until the morning. Does that marvelous story come from Herodotus?",
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"text": "TNET is getting to be a love fest. Almost like Woodstock: If you are tired to chew, man, pass it on.",
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"text": "I'm pretty sure it does, Jeffrey: about how the Persians would debate treaties and business dealings while drunk and \"sign\" them sober.",
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"text": "Ah, those Persians. What would the world have looked like now had there been no Marathon, Thermopylae, Salamis or Alexander the Great?",
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"text": "Leo XIII was certainly not approving of the American system simpliciter. And America does not meet the ideals of a state as the Church sees it, e.g. the submission to Christ by society as society. But he certainly praises positive aspects, and we should concede to Matthew J. Peterson that one example of that praise is Leo's quoting with approval Washington's farewell address\nMaybe we could say that American has been like an adolescent very sure of its ideas and sense of self, but not yet possessing such with full maturity. The conflicts seen within the American framework may be a sign of this.\nOrestes Brownson once said \n\"Among nations, no one has more need of full knowledge of itself than the United States, and no one has hitherto had less. It has hardly had a distinct consciousness of its own national existence, and has lived the irreflective life of the child, with no severe trial, till the recent rebellion, to throw it back on itself and compel it to reflect on its own constitution, its own separate existence, individuality, tendencies, and end...\nIts idea is liberty, indeed, but liberty with law, and law with liberty. Yet its mission is not so much the realization of liberty as the realization of the true idea of the state, which secures at once the authority of the public and the freedom of the individual\u2014the sovereignty of the people without social despotism, and individual freedom without anarchy.\"\nMaybe part of really attaining that mission would be to purge enlightenment ideals, and the conflicts in America have been because of the opposition of those ideas to other principles deeply engrained in America...and maybe the right side is losing the battle....I don't know. Have you read the proceedings of the NRA and their attempt at a Christian amendment? Maybe that was the direction we needed to go but failed....",
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"text": "Actually, I wonder if Leo XIII was aware of the NRA and its attempts to repudiate some aspects of the enlightenment? Including a constitutional recognition of the authority of Christ...though they still aimed at maintaining separation of Church and state",
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"text": "Fair enough, Matthew.",
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"text": "This is an interesting text from the De Potentia, apropos of nothing in particular: (the context in the De Potentia is whether unformed matter could have been created prior in time to formed matter and is a kind of commentary on the opening of Genesis; also, I'm only translating the really interesting part: I'll let you puzzle through the rest just to irritate John Boyer):\n\"But others understood the formlessness of matter not insofar as mater lacked every form, but as something is called unformed which does not yet have its final completion and ornament; and [formless matter] can be posited in this way, that the formlessness of things even precedes the formation of things in time. Which would indeed, if posited, seem fitting to the order of a wise artisan who, while producing things in existence, does not immediately institute them in [their] last perfection after they were nothing; but first makes them in a certain imperfect being and leads them to perfection afterwords.\"\n\"Alii vero intellexerunt informitatem materiae non secundum quod materia omni forma caret, sed secundum quod dicitur aliquid informe quod nondum habet ultimum suae naturae complementum et decorem; et secundum hoc potest poni, quod etiam duratione informitas rerum formationem praecesserit. Quod quidem si ponatur, ordini sapientiae artificis congruere videtur, qui res ex nihilo producens in esse, non statim post nihilum in ultima perfectione naturae eas instituit, sed primo fecit eas in quodam esse imperfecto; et postea eas ad perfectum adduxit; ut sic et eorum esse ostenderetur a Deo procedere, contra illos qui ponunt materiam increatam; et nihilominus perfectionis rerum ipse etiam auctor appareret, contra eos qui rerum inferiorum formationem causis alii adscribunt. Et hoc intellexit magnus Basilius, Gregorius, et alii sequaces eorum. Quia ergo neutrum a veritate fidei discordat, et utrumque sensum circumstantia litterae patitur; utrumque sustinentes ad utrasque rationes respondeamus.\" (QQ De Potentia, q. 4 a. 1 co.",
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"text": "I'll think on it, Joshua. But it is 2:00 a.m. here; and I, not being as youthful as you young bucks, must get to bed. A pleasure as always, gentlemen.",
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"text": "This seems to lend a great deal of support to a Lavalesque view of evolution.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, you're use of \"NRA\" isn't exactly transparent there.",
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"text": "I assume you're talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_amendment\nChristian amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nChristian amendment describes any of several attempts to amend the United States Constitution by inserting explicitly Christian ideas and language. The most powerful such attempt began during the American Civil War and was spearheaded by the National Reform Association.\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG\nSeptember 28 at 2:03am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJoshua Kenz NRA = National Reform Association, duh...I doubt the National Rifle Association would promote a Christian amendment\nThe NRA here had a few supreme court justices supporting it...",
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"text": "Yeah, I wasn't aware of the National Reform Association until a couple minutes after your post.",
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"text": "The duh was tongue in cheek... Really recommend Craycraft again on religious liberty...he gives some fascinating excerpts from them, including debates on \"consent of the governed\" and a lot of self-critical reflection on the Constitution, as I said including some by Supreme Court justices",
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"text": "I'm kinda curious what you didn't like about my response about Baptism. If we take it as dogmatically true that no one can be saved without Baptism, it seems that we have to understand \"Baptism\" to primarily refer to the infusion of sanctifying grace in the formulation of the dogma. Otherwise, it seems like there could be no leeway for belief in things like Baptism of Blood and Desire.",
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"text": "Samantha Cohoe: true they fought for union, but as this wonderful little book points out (he has a longer version as well), as the war went on the north especially saw the war as very much about ending slavery:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0807119040/ref=mp_s_a_1_20...\nWhat They Fought for 1861-1865 (Walter Lynwood Fleming Lectures in Southern...\nAMAZON.COM",
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"text": "The cynical view is that this was on account of Lincoln's rhetoric, but the the non-cynical view incorporates that as well.",
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"text": "But the dogma is that the sacrament of baptism is absolutely necessary, as a necessity of means, for salvation. By understanding baptism to mean sanctifying grace, you are not actually affirming the dogma. There is one baptism. And that means the sacrament, not sanctifying grace. It is an example of understanding the dogma of the Church other than how the Church has always understood it.\nYour way is less messy, but it has the vice of not upholding the actual dogma as given by the Church. The standard answer wrt to baptismus flaminis or baptism of blood is a bit more involved. Will post a bit more on that in a second",
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"text": "Also, it looks like Baptism of desire is _de fide_ (although, possibly not in the sense you were denying?):\n\"baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called \"of wind\" [\"flaminis\"] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind [\"flamen\"]. Now it is \"de fide\" that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, \"de presbytero non baptizato\" and of the Council of Trent\" St. Alphonsus Ligouri's Moral Theology Manual (15th century), Bk. 6, no. 95., Concerning Baptism\n\"By which words, a description of the Justification of the impious is indicated,-as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God\" Council of Trent, Sixth Session, Fourth Chapter, A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.",
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"text": "It is not de fide, but sententia fidei proxima",
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"text": "But that has nothing to do with my point",
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"text": "What about Trent? \"And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God\"",
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"text": "The sacrament of baptism is necessary by a necessity of means for salvation for all men without exception.\nBut you are raising a tangential point. You can dispute with Pohle/Preuss, Ott, and later decrees of the oly office about calling baptism of desire de fide later",
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"text": "Samantha, thinking Proust overrated is a tell-tale sign of Pelagianism...",
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"text": "Also what Myers-Briggs thing is Caleb?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, I've been waiting on the \"standard answer\" you alluded to above and was just confused about the tangential point because of things I read in Ligouri and Trent.",
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"text": "Dang, can't plagiarize myself this time.\nOkay, think of faith. Faith is necessary as a necessity of means, absolutely and this absolute necessity is intrinsic...at least in respect to actual faith in God and His providence. Even God could not decree otherwise, since it is necessary to be ordered to God as a final end to be saved, and hence one must know his final end, etc.\nBaptism, by which I mean the sacrament, is necessary by means, not just precept. But its necessity is not absolutely intrinsic. What this amounts to is that the sacrament is the only means we can avail of for salvation. And ignorance, even if inculpable, e.g. does nothing other than excuse one from its necessity as a necessity of precept.\nStill, since the necessity is not intrinsic, God can supply the res of the sacrament outside of the sacrament. The necessity of baptism being hypothetical and not absolute, with respect to its intrinsic necessity. It still remains a funny thing, though, in a way since the sacramentum et res is not importation, and hence they are not made members of the body, are unable to receive the other sacraments, etc. In some way it has to be viewed as outside the means established for us.",
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"text": "So, what the dogma refers to is the sacramental order which we can use to become incorporated in the Mystical Body?",
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"text": "Whereas, Baptism of Blood/Desire are special infusions of sanctifying grace by God in particular situations?",
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"text": "i.e. they're essentially irrelevant to the dogma in question, since we cannot use them in order to be saved?",
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"text": "Matthew you wrote:\n\u00ab1) Well, I suppose the so-called \"Reformation\" just up and happened out of the blue? Bad reformation. Bad enlightenment. The Other just up and came out of nowhere. Not the Church's fault at all? Heh. Whatever floats our prejudices. But I often argue about how complicated and varied the period was, and I freely admit that the history is up for grabs. But that works both ways. Let's not pretend like those arguing it was good don't paint cartoons the same way enlightenment propaganda does\u00bb\nOf course the Reformation was largely the fault of corruption in the Church. But between the Reformation and the High Middle Ages was the late Middle Ages. My claim was that it was mostly _not_ the fault of the popes from 1073-1303, and their doctrine of the two swords and the subordination of the temporal to the spiritual. During that period one in fact sees a whole series of reform movements in the Church that were allied with the papacy (Cluniacs, Cistercians, Franciscans, Dominicans etc.). These were reform movements that Dawson calls \"centripetal.\" Late in that period you get \"centrifugal\" movements, which were initially largely wordly in character\u2014above all French nationalism, Italian particularism (oppostition to the emperor _and_ the pope), and one one might call \"Fr\u00fchkapitalismus\". It is that goshawfull son of perdition Philip the Fair, who in his victory over Boniface VIII brings the High Middle Ages to an end, and inaugurates the \"Late\" Middle Ages. Only during the Avignon exile under the thumb of the French, and afterwards when the popes had returned to Rome, but as Italian princes among the others, where the distinction between the two swords (every bit as important to our model as the subordination of one to the other), and the role of the emperor as universal temporal ruler analagous to the pope as universal spiritual ruler, had been practically denied, only then do you get strong anti-papal reform movements culminating in the Reformation.\n\u00ab2) But what I find even more interesting about your response is this: you don't want to automatically ascribe the cause of the reformation and the enlightenment to what I identify as the prior cause. Fair enough. But maybe you and others should apply that sound bit of logic to \"Modernity\" and American history\u00bb\nFair enough, I admit to having often painted simplistic cartoons of modernity, America and all the rest of it. _My_ accusing _you_ of simplistic views of history was partly studied hypocrisy. I do agree that their is a mixture in modernity, with some legitimate revival of ancient republican virtue and devotion to the common good (Aelianus's \"Arthurian republicanism\") mixed with the Lockean stuff. But I agree with Bond that ultimately the Lockean element is dominant and corrupts all the good bits.\nPS. I'm for a universal temporal government, so of course I admire Madison for arguing for a Union against little democratic tyrannies\u2014size of political community is not where I disagree with you...",
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"text": "That is my understanding.. Maybe not irrelevant, but as in some sense outside the order God has established in His Church.\nWRT to the status of the doctrine. The reason Ott o Pohle/Preuss, among others, classify it is as sententia fidei proxima, is because the object of the definition was the sacrament. The mention of \"or desire thereof\" could, possible, be read similarly to the excepting of the BVM from the discussion on original sin...which did not amount to defining the IC but leaving it open. Sent fid. proxima means that in their judgment it could be defined dogmatically...though even I am not so sure of that (I recall a few authors using it as an example in the dispute between what could be considered de fide divina, with some arguing that it is only a theological conclusion, certain and taught definitively, but not itself revealed.\nPerhaps others, beside Liguori, understand it as already dogma. The holy office statements I am thinking of had to do with the reconciliation of certain religious communities descended from Fr. Feeney...",
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"text": "Come on Pater the Popes destroyed the idea of the Emperor when they subverted and destroyed the Hohenstaufen. They kept it up afterwards by encouraging a multiplicity of national monarchs and playing them off against each other, but this bit them in the ass with Henry VIII and the French kings.",
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"text": "Ott fwiw first lists\nBaptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, necessary for all men without exception, for salvation. (De fide.) \nthen immediately after arguing that\nIn case of emergency Baptism of water may be replaced by baptism of desire or baptism of blood (sent fidei proxima)\nWithout any explanation. I relied on other authors. I will see if I can remember where they treated the question and where I got my info.",
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"text": "I think I was understanding Baptism along the same lines but conflating the dogma in question with what the Church teaches about the gift of Faith.",
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"text": "(even if the nuance didn't show in my formulation )",
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"text": "but speaking of the Papal ass, this is magnificent, Pater (I own it):\nhttp://press.uchicago.edu/.../book/chicago/P/bo3631422.html\nThe Pope's Body\nThe book The Pope's Body, Agostino Paravicini-Bagliani is published by University of Chicago Press.\nPRESS.UCHICAGO.EDU",
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"text": "FWIW my hometown is, oddly, a center of followers of Fr. Feeney... it was one of the first things I encountered coming back to the faith. Your statements would have caused frothing. Not that they accept my explanation either...",
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"text": "The crude analogy I used in CCD was that baptism was a bridge built by God for us to get from sin to life. He orders us to take that bridge. Now you may not hear the order, and hence not be held responsible for not knowing. But you still need to cross the bridge to get to the other side (necessity of means) and that is the only means God has offered you. Still, if you are blocked along the way, nothing prevents God from rescuing you through extra-ordinary means, like an emergency pick up by a helicopter.\nThe point I always though necessary to emphasize, was that baptism of \"desire\" or blood were not only not on par with the sacrament, they are not, alternate means to the end either, but as it were affirmations that God can grant the end without the instrument/means He has given us. Still only on the condition that we truly will to use the means He has given us (in voto)\nDoes that make sense?",
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"text": "Yeah, and that roughly matches the the picture that has stuck with me from the Baltimore Catechism",
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"text": "Yeah, but don't use that image with the Feeney followers....and as with any image or simple picture, potentially misleading. It is only abusively that we say there are \"3 kinds\" since baptism of blood is only denominated such analogously, same with desire....heck baptism of desire only \"works\" e opere operantis after all...",
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"text": "No, I have no battery backup...I mean I do in storage not in use, and there isn't one for the wifi nor the modem. Power was off for three minutes....wifi stayed on...I think it is witchcraft",
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"text": "Maybe they have a built in battery back-up? Because even my skype phone, on te same power strip, went off",
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"text": "That's possible, but I think you would know about it.",
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"text": "And I am suddenly very tired....good night TNET....wow this will be the first time in over a month I went to bed before 3 am....",
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"text": "no that's a terribly misleading picture. there is only one Baptism, there aren't \"three kinds\"",
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"text": "Rogers I'm just going to read back through the previous comments before I jump in.",
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"text": "Weiss I'm just going to roll my eyes at how petty people think the divine nature is.",
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"text": "You must read them all, every petty one. Lauren.",
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"text": "Is the endless thread an excess, or is the ignorance of it deficiency?",
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"text": "I agree with Michael, that image is misleading. There is only one baptism. (Cf. Eph. 4:5)",
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"text": "Rebecca, I don't understand what you wrote. Are the people petty, or are people thinking the divine nature is petty? And why, for either of those?",
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"text": "if you don't allow for God to let everyone into heaven but Hitler and Judas, you're petty Daniel.",
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"text": "[I suspect Rebecca has a Nietchzean conception of God that is to say that he is not bound by petty rules and such.] ",
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"text": "The \"petty\" bothers us. It can't be of people [grammatically . . . at least easily] and it can't be of nature properly speaking. Could it be said of eye rolls? Something is petty and we thinks it is rules. Respondeo: the necessity of baptism seems a hard rule . . . even Augustine struggled with it. In truth it is an amazing gift.",
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"text": "It seems to me that difficulties are ended when one simply says, \"God is not bound to the sacramental order. However, insofar as He operates outside of the sacramental order, we can't say much beyond, 'It is possible.' Theology can only talk about and reason about the ordinary means of salvation, i.e. the sacramental order, since science must be about universals.",
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"text": "^And I do think that is a demonstration.",
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"text": "I'm familiar with the concept of \"baptism of desire\" but not \"baptism of blood\". To what circumstance would that apply?",
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"text": "Okay, that makes since. and also eases the problem of limbo for babies in the case of abortion.",
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"text": "*sence.",
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"text": "Yeah. The other two claims of Scott, though possible, are highly contentious. Typically martyrdom is what is mean by Baptism of blood.",
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"text": "Benjamin MacGowen: I too wrestle with this question.\nTNET's thoughts are not my thoughts. They are too much for me.\nBut I suppose the same could be said of Satan as well as...",
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"text": "@ Matthew, as the post says, I can unfollow it if I wanted, but it is become like a friend unto itself; an annoying friend albeit.",
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"text": "I appreciate the concerns of rulers who sought free investiture. But the theology of the matter is clear. Regardless of the personal motivation of some of the popes.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, the text accompanying the picture in the book it's from explains that.\nBut, as I said, the picture is only misleading if you don't pay attention: it clearly shows that there aren't three kinds of Baptism but rather three senses of the word according to a certain order. As I said before, that's why it's depicted as ladder vs. lifeline.",
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"text": "And, Rebecca Bratten Weiss, I'm curious where you think the pettiness comes in?",
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"text": "Pater if only the POPES had been a teetle more cooperative!",
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"text": "Weiss Basically - the ancients had an anthropomorphic view of the divine nature according to which many petty human traits were attributed to the gods, and even, by the Hebrews, to Yahweh. Along come Plato and Aristotle, hooray, and now we have a sense of perfection, absolute being, etc etc....then along comes Christian revelation and we have a sense of God as personal, loving, etc (Plato's brain kersplodes). My question is: why, given all that we have learned, would we go back to an anthropomorphic idea of the divine according to which if we don't play by his rules he'll smite us? We agree to play by his rules because he is an absolute being and because he loves us and we wish to love him back as best we can. But assuming that if we don't do this we're damned is really presuming quite a bit. For all we know God might decide to save everyone anyway; but it would be presumptuous and unloving of us to bank on this instead of doing as he has asked. \nI hope he does save everyone, but that he'll also let me kick Hitler repeatedly in the ass once we're all there..",
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"text": "Weiss Daniel Lendman's approach makes sense to me.",
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"text": "Weiss BTW - I actually DREAMED about this bloody thread last night. I dreamed about a lot of other things as well, but still. Heilige scheisse.",
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"text": "Before calling Catholic theology petty, one should first understand it...and I don't think you did.",
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"text": "So, Edward Langley the picture is only misleading if you read the text on the picture?",
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"text": "FWIW, I think God is extremely petty. After all the difference between me and the dung on my shoe is less than between me and God. And if I cared about the well being of even the dung on my shoe with even a small fraction of the care God exercises to me, that would be pretty \"petty\". Pettiness, after all, is said because one is caring about de minimis, but we are all de minimis compared to God.",
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"text": "^That is very Chestertonian of you Joshua.",
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"text": "Mrs. Fitzgerald I think with infants in general, we should avoid speculation. We know that, in se, baptism of desire and blood are not open to them (and being a murder victim, e.g. being aborted, is not equivalent to martyrdom). Arguments trying to establish such things always wind up either running afoul of the Church (e.g. Cajetan's extension of baptism of desire via vicarious desire of the parents was ordered expunged from his writings as contrary our beliefs or Pius XII's allocution to midwives) or rendering what we do know false (e.g. extending the concept of martyrdom to being the victim of any sinful act, yet martyrdom involves more than that, i.e. dying for Christ)\nPeople speculate. For at least 400 years there has been an idea that God could \"accelerate\" the use of reason, and, conjoined with grace, including charity (which follows forgiveness of sins as effect to efficient cause, but precedes it as formal cause precedes its effect) then they could have baptism of desire, but only insofar as they are \"de-infantized\" by having the use of will\nActually, the acceleration idea is even older. Aquinas addresses it, in addressing the martyrdom of the Holy Innocents\n(Objection1) Ad primum sic proceditur. Videtur quod martyrium non sit actus virtutis. Omnis enim actus virtutis est voluntarius. Sed martyrium quandoque non est voluntarium, ut patet de innocentibus pro Christo occisis, de quibus dicit Hilarius, super Matth., quod in aeternitatis profectum per martyrii gloriam efferebantur. Ergo martyrium non est actus virtutis.\nTo the first it is thus proceeded. It seems that martyrdom is not an act of virtue. Now every act of virtue is voluntary. But martyrdom is sometimes not voluntary, as is clear of the Innocents killed for Christ, of whom Hilary says, commenting on Matthew, \"they were borne to maturity in eternity through the glory of being a martyr.\" Therefore martyrdom is not an act of virtue.\n(Answer): Ad primum ergo dicendum quod quidam dixerunt quod in innocentibus acceleratus est miraculose usus liberi arbitrii, ita quod etiam voluntarie martyrium passi sunt. Sed quia hoc per auctoritatem Scripturae non comprobatur, ideo melius dicendum est quod martyrii gloriam, quam in aliis propria voluntas meretur, illi parvuli occisi per Dei gratiam sunt assecuti. Nam effusio sanguinis propter Christum vicem gerit Baptismi. Unde sicut pueris baptizatis per gratiam baptismalem meritum Christi operatur ad gloriam obtinendam, ita in occisis propter Christum meritum martyrii Christi operatur ad palmam martyrii consequendam. Unde Augustinus dicit, in quodam sermone de Epiphania, quasi eos alloquens, ille de vestra corona dubitabit in passione pro Christo, qui etiam parvulis Baptismum prodesse non aestimat Christi. Non habebatis aetatem qua in passurum Christum crederetis, sed habebatis carnem in qua pro Christo passuro passionem sustineretis.\nTo the first therefore it must be said that some have said that in the innocents the use of free choice was miraculously accelerated, so that they also suffered martyrdom voluntarily. But since this is not shown by the authority of Scripture, therefore it is better said that the glory of being a martyr, which in others is merited by their own will, the little children obtained through the grace of God. For the pouring out of blood for Christ is born in place of Baptism. Whence just as with baptised children, the merit of Christ work for obtaining glory, through the baptismal grace, just so in those killed for Christ the merit of the martyr Christ works for obtaining the palm of a martyr. Whence Augustine says, in a certain sermon on Epiphany, as if speaking to them, \"He will doubt your crown in your suffering for Christ, who also does not reckon that baptism profits the little ones of Christ. You were not old enough to belief in the Christ who was to suffer, but you had the flesh in which you were to suffer for the Christ who was to suffer.\"",
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"text": "Aquinas' answer here satisfies me, in part because it doesn't tryi and claim speculative mechanisms, but relies on God's grace as its ratio. There have been attempts to apply similar reasoning (e.g. a baptism \"of suffering\"), but I think it is beyond the ken of theology. We know what God has revealed. certain things, like baptism of blood or desire can be specified in some measure.\nOf course whether infants who die without baptism are somehow saved from original sin before death or not, we can say two things 1. They will suffer no injustice and perhaps will be happy (as Aquinas argues) 2. Parents and others who neglect baptism, e.g. by putting it off for more than a month after birth for vain reasons, mortally sin and will be held accountable as if they excluded their child from salvation, even if God saves the child in spite of them.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, I think that is the lowest insult you have given me! To compare what I said to a Chestertonism ... I will try harder at having substance and not just witticism",
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"text": "Weiss Joshua - your problem is that you are equating your interpretation of Catholic theology with catholic theology per se. \nAnd no, I disagree about the relation between the human person and God. As persons made in his image, we are far closer to God than we are to the dung on anyone's show; any personal being has a very high degree of incommunicability, so that each of us exists as though we were the only one, as a kind of secondary infinity: the infinity of a single ray emanating from a point, perhaps, in comparison with the infinity of a line extending into infinity on both sides. Our value is intrinsic, and not something that God just plastered onto us because he was bored with the self-communing of the trinity.",
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"text": "The very one what?",
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"text": "Weiss Thomists are so cute.",
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"text": "We are infinitely distant from God, which is why the Incarnation is such a marvelous thing\nAnd I guess Pius V, Pius XII Sixtus VI, etc were all petty here too?\nAnd I am not sure what \"personal being\" means there. Yes we are made ad imaginem Dei. But we are like to God, God is not like to us.",
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"text": "Why, for wanting you to say what you mean and not end halfway through a sentence?\n\"so that each of us exists as though we were the very one\"\nThe very one what? This grammatically makes no sense",
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"text": "Weiss Take a gander at some of Wojtyla's writings. There's been some good stuff done in the last 100 years.",
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"text": "Weiss My computer did that, silly.",
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"text": "I have read everything he has written. Can you at least clarify what you wrote?\nOr do you believe in heckling and not engaging?",
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"text": "You are able to edit a post",
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"text": "Weiss Each person exists as though he were the only one. Don't know what happened there except I was eating a sammidge.",
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"text": "That's funny Joshua Kenz, I actually didn't think to look at the black caption. But, even then, even people like Aquinas use words like \"kind\" in ways broad enough to be properly applied here. (The fourth way, for example, depends on there being a proper sense in which God is the highest in various kinds or \"genera\")",
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"text": "Weiss My Nietzschean God and I are gonna go split some wood. I'll check back later for further amusement.",
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"text": "Rebecca, in one way, it seems like what you are saying has to be true. There is something wondrous and even \"infinite\" about a personal being (by which I mean an individual substance of a rational nature).\nHowever, on the other hand, you surely admit that we are infinitely less than God. \nAre you and Joshua just speaking past one another? Or is there something really fundamentally opposed between what you've said?",
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"text": "I don't think that is true, or even makes sense when speaking of the relationship to God. But leaving the personalism and disagreements with it behind,\nI fail to see what that has to do with the fact that the sacrament of baptism is one only, or that baptism of desire or baptism of blood are denominated so analogically, do not impart the character of baptism, etc. Since we weren't talking about infants, and in fact they were raised well after, I can only think that you either reject baptism of blood/desire, or you think they are sacraments, or you think that the Church's dogma that baptism of water is necessary for the salvation of everyone without exception is wrong, or you think the reconciliation of baptism of blood and desire with that dogma is wrong....\nIOW, you didn't actually advance a claim..you just gave a broad snide about pettiness and \"anthropomorphism\" and general mockery. Yes it is cute to care about actual truth.\nSo from the top\n1. Dogma- baptism of water is necessary for the salvation of everyone without exception\n2. (saltem sent. fidei proxima)- baptism of blood and baptism of desire sometimes may be substituted\n3. Explanation- baptism's necessity is extrinsic, and only hypothetically intrinsic. Because it is the only means God has given us, but it is not necessary from its nature for what it accomplishes, so God can act outside of it\n4. Baptism of desire/blood are not sacramental and do not impart the character of baptism. And so are only called baptism analogically (sent. certa)\n5. Baptism of desire works ex opere operantis, that of blood quasi ex opere operato (sent. communis)\nLeaving aside 5, the rest is simply well established Catholic theology. WRT , Has nothing to do with personalism or anthropomorphism. If you reject 1 you are a heretic. Reject two, you are not a heretic, but you are still going against definitive teaching and are probably materially heretical. 3 is the only explanation I have ever heard, if you have an alternate let's have it. Rejecting 4 would be a theological error and censurable as such. And 5, well that is getting into little details",
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"text": "Weiss We have to be infinitely less than God, because God is infinitely more than us. \nHowever, we enjoy a kind of infinity, that the dung on the shoe does not have - as an individual substance of a rational nature, but even moreso because of the depth of our interiority and because of our infinite world-openness (which even those who are low on rationality still possess). I agree with Max Scheler that it is in our religious sense especially that we transcend the other animals - in our need for God, our being made for God. \nWe're basically talking about the same thing, I suspect, but with different structures of interpretation or emphases. \nDammit stop distracting me people! There's firewood to cut!",
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"text": "I appreciate the need for chopping wood.",
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"text": "Okay, that I do not disagree with and Aquinas says as much in a clearer fashion than Scheler ever could...the whole anima est omnia in potentia thing",
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"text": "Weiss Regarding #1 there's sooooo much that can be said about what that entails: thus people are still arguing about it, here and everywhere.",
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"text": "Weiss I think it's prudent to keep in mind that the formulation of a dogma is not just the answer to one question, but also the formulation of a whole new set of questions: or else doctrine would have just dried up at some point, and ceased to develop.",
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"text": "What is there to argue about? The sacrament of baptism is necessary for salvation and that is only the means God has offered us...seems rather clear cut by itself.",
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"text": "I am not sure what any of that means....",
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"text": "On a completely different subject, I came this close to blasting a hole in the wall of the house last night...power goes out again (briefly)...the front door slams open and then I hear something crash in the other bedroom...phone ain't working so I grabbed my .45 and investigated....dang raccoon had made it in...front door latch was stuck open.\nOkay I didn't almost blast a hole...my finger was not on the trigger...but it is the closest I have come.\nVery exciting. Chased the thing out with a broom instead. Pretty sure gunshots would have attracted attention",
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"text": "Weiss I've had to shoot a couple of coons that were after my chickens.",
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"text": "Weiss The reason we argue is that if we have very dear friends or family who are not baptized (I'm half Jewish by the way) - it's very distressing to think that the interpretation of the dogma means no heaven for Grandpa. And this isn't just sentimentality, either, because presumably God loves Grandpa too.\nThough on the other hand things have been sort of shitty for the chosen people for quite some time.",
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"text": "Weiss Time for me to come out of the closet as an almost-universalist.....\n....and go cut that wood.",
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"text": "Did anyone here deny the possibility of baptism of desire? Wouldn't that have been more an issue (leaving aside whether the will must be explicit, or how must explicit faith is necessary and those other details that I don't recall anyone addressing)? Pointing out that the exceptions, as it were, are not equal to the rule, by itself, doesn't exclude your almost-universalism\nThough I am an almost- massa damnata guy mysel",
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"text": "Between the two dispositions, almost-universalist, almost-mass damnata, the latter seems to be very much closer to what the Fathers of the Church say.",
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"text": "The only reason I say almost there...being in the world and seeing how people are shows just how far from God the mass of men are in their daily life. But I have seen remarkable changes by grace too...God's mercy certainly is greater than man's depravity. How it all works out, only He knows this side of heaven....",
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"text": "I think the \"distress\" it causes people to think of all their unbaptized friends or relatives (and as an extension those living in sin) should not cause distress but rather increase one's trust in God and also our prayers to Him for those people.",
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"text": "Daniel, you and your Fathers of the Church.",
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"text": "Now here is a real question of debate, was John the Evangelist assumed, body and soul, into heaven at the end of his life?",
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"text": "^Yeah. The motto of my school is \"Ad Fontes,\" as in to the sources of theology guided by St. Thomas. The sources being, Scripture and the Fathers.",
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"text": "Off to Mass....Miser\u00e9re mihi, D\u00f3mine, qu\u00f3niam ad te clam\u00e1vi tota die: quia tu, D\u00f3mine, su\u00e1vis ac mitis es, et copi\u00f3sus in miseric\u00f3rdia \u00f3mnibus invoc\u00e1ntibus te.",
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"text": "Going waaay back to Peterson's point about slavery becoming a goal of the war, that fits with what I've read. and of course lots and lots of early northern recruits were motivated by abolitionist conviction. I was mostly talking about the motivations of the Lincoln administration and probably most of Congress as well.",
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"text": "I'll deny the loosest interpretation of baptisms of desire and blood. Murder victims aren't martyrs, and \"I just wanna be good\" isn't desire",
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"text": "^Sentimentality is often mistaken for mercy.",
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"text": "Has anyone listened to Goyette's lecture on faith seeking understanding? It really is indoctrination. While he admits the sacred science begins in principle with an act of the heart bowing down to Dogma, he reduces sacred theology to the rational demonstration of the pre-ambles of the Faith. Take note. This leads to heterodoxy. He does not even use the Church's pre-ambles, but only Thomas' five proofs. What a limitation!\nSacred theology involves acts of love, evangelization, persuasive tropes, poetry, in keeping with reason but not reducable to an act of reason, to strengthen understanding of the ineffable. \nhttp://www.thomasaquinas.edu/.../lecture-dr-john-j...\nLecture Audio: \u201cSt. Thomas Aquinas on Faith Seeking Understanding\u201d | Thomas...\nTHOMASAQUINAS.EDU",
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"text": "Nope.",
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"text": "Please do, I would be interested to hear your view. He seems to reduce the sacred science to rational demonstration of Thomas's five proofs. Of course it is much bigger than this. Knowledge of God is indeed an analogy, but Faith seeking understanding via the sacred science truly is more than this reduction to natural theology.",
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"text": "He does seem to get the admixture of error part correct, but he stops right there.",
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"text": "\"Let us take for example natural matter. A young person, by his observations, especially if they are directed, will accumulate a certain amount of knowledge in natural matters. From this point of view, we are convinced that the reading of great naturalists can help a lot. It is material, although very important. Of course, logic is not necessary at this stage. Let us go a bit further: there is no question of starting the study of the science of nature with the Physics and the explanation of the notions of matter, form and privation. Rather, why not start with the Parts of Animals?\"---Msgr. Dionne, \"The Necessity of Logic for each of the Intellectual Virtues\"",
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"text": "syllaphor:\n1) All Thomists are heretics because they do not assent to dogma with sufficient love and poetic flair.\n2. TAC requires the study of Aquinas.\n3. TAC grads must be exposed as heretics ad aeternum despite the precept to have nothing to do with heretics after the 2nd admonition. [Meanwhile ignore, completely, blasphemous apostates.]",
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"text": "Daniel, mercy has often been mistaken for sentimentality as well",
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"text": "Perhaps.",
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"text": "I have not found that to happen nearly so often.",
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"text": "Fair enough.",
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"text": "Perhaps my wife and I will listen to John's lecture as we fall asleep tonight...",
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"text": "I'd like to here a defense of the rationality of this curriculum for a change (not that I necessarily think that this is a bad curriculum, but just that its order isn't manifest to me):\n\"THEO 101-102 Fundamentals of Catholic Doctrine (2 semesters, 3 credit hours each semester) A systematic presentation of the mysteries of the Faith, the moral and spiritual norms of Christian life, the liturgy and the sacraments, as revealed in Scripture and Apostolic Tradition and as defined by the magisterial documents of the Church.\nTHEO 201 Introduction to the Old Testament Major selections from the books of the Old Testament are read within the norms of Catholic exegesis. Special emphasis is placed upon the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the Wisdom literature. One major purpose is to inspire a love of God\u2019s Word, which is fully revealed in Jesus Christ.\nTHEO 202 Introduction to the New Testament The Gospels and other books of the New Testament are read in the light of Catholic norms of exegesis. The course will show how the Gospel texts reveal the real historical Jesus, true God and true Man, and will address contemporary critics who seek to distance the texts from Him. The course will also introduce the main themes of the Pauline corpus, the Johannine literature, and the Catholic Epistles. The primary goal is to make manifest through an in depth study of the Sacred texts that Jesus Christ is the fullness of God\u2019s Revelation.\nTHEO 301 Moral Theology A study of the data revealed in Scripture and Tradition concerning what men must do to please God. Elaboration of the data, together with sound analysis of human action and a grounding of natural-law ethics, will equip the student to understand the current crisis in moral theology.\nTHEO 302 Catholic Apologetics A presentation of the basic arguments for the credibility of the Catholic faith. Students learn how to develop both cogent arguments for its defense and effective means of persuasion. Individual topics range from God\u2019s existence to Papal Primacy\"",
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"text": "Do we call him John now that we're 30? he's still Mr. Goyette in my head",
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"text": "Is it? why?",
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"text": "Daniel, that seems to imply a more limited view of Sacred Theology than \"fides quaerens intellectum\" does.",
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"text": "But if I wanted to prepare someone for apologetics I would first catechize, then familiarize them with scripture; based on those two I would educate about certain practical principles of how to live, and then I would end with how to make an apology for the faith.",
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"text": "Ashman, our vision is not created in our image unless our vision is only from ourselves. If the vision is truly from God, then it will merely be expressed in our terms.",
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"text": "But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you.",
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"text": "I don't see how that suggests that Sacred Theology is primarily ordered to defense of the Faith.",
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"text": "and certainly curriculum that subordinates theology to \"apologetics\" is getting something wrong, right?",
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"text": "How can you not know what evangelization is?? Every once in a while you Catholics still astonish me.",
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"text": "Ashman, a lot of brilliant men and women throughout history have denied that bible is contradictory. \nGiven that you have participated in this thread before, I am sure that you are keenly aware that your tone and statements are highly offensive. Given such an awareness, it becomes hard to think that you wish to sincerely engage in dialogue. \nWhat do you seek here? Here there are only sinners who hold a light in their hearts, the likes of which you cannot imagine. If you dare to let that light that is God himself penetrate your heart, then a world of life and love will open up to you. If not, then I am afraid you will find here, only foolishness. We preach Christ Crucified. The Son of God, son of Man, who has redeemed us all from sin.",
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"text": "Is evangelization part of the active or contemplative life?",
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"text": "And priests in the pulpit should definitely take the opportunity to evangelize, because of what John said about the overlap of the category non-believer with the category catholic",
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"text": "I think generally, what people mean, is that the mode used by the great teachers of the Church from Augustine to Pius XII or so is somehow no longer able to be as effective as it once was.",
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"text": "I heard it described once by a prelate thus: \"what does faith mean to you?\"",
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"text": "oh, so this is why you're confused about what evangelization is?",
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"text": "No.",
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"text": "That's a very good question to ask, as long as it's followed by sound teaching on what faith ought to mean.",
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"text": "I just often wonder if I understand all these terms people throw around.",
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"text": "NO. That was the last word. Face palm . . . . by a prelate. And hence the confusion.",
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"text": "I find it especially puzzling in class when the teacher makes a big deal about some relatively straightforward point without ever coming clean as to why that point requires such emphasis.",
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"text": "ApoIogetics is defense, not to say \"I'm sorry\". (I say this outIoud because I didn't know that before and had to Iook it up in my handy 1828 Websters)",
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"text": "Seems Iike the kind of thing that wouId be necessary with any ideoIogy, the abiIity to defend it and those trained to do so.",
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"text": "As I understand it, the 'New Evangelization' is not new with respect to content but with respect to the condition of the recipients. It refers to the spreading of the Gospel to non-believers who already belong to Christian cultures. They have heard of Christ, but they don't yet know the Good News in any meaningful way.",
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"text": "Or maybe it refers to believers in the sense of the already baptized who don't know or care about the Faith they have inherited. I'm not totally sure about that.",
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"text": "Here is something: \"The New Evangelization is distinct from the Old Evangelization The intended audience for each is different. The New Evangelization is not directed at non-Catholics, non-Christians, or non-believers. ...The NE is concerned with deepening the religious experience and commitment of nominal believers. ...the NE seeks to call back non-practicing believers to active participation in the Church.\" This is from a talk by Bishop Edward Clark on the Emerging Challenge of the NE for a Renewed Church",
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"text": "What concerns me about these things, is that there is no sign that non-practicing Catholics have ever been in short supply (starting with St. Ignatius of Loyola who, in his youth, was anything but \"religious\"). Also, it is slightly concerning that people today attach so much value to novelty: if someone in Aquinas's day had called him an innovator, he would have taken it as an insult, at the very least.",
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"text": "Katherine, hence the confusion on evangelization. Also the \"how\" is confusing. I think I read the same thing as you a short while ago. Catechism, death, judgement, heaven and hell are still effective imo.",
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"text": "How about a Penitent Church just for old times sake, a Sack Cloth and Ashes Church?",
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"text": "My wife is in CathoIic Charismatic RenewaI. It's basicaIIy about reigniting or converting to CathoIic faith with a newer, more persuasive approach, rather borrowed from Baptists and EvangeIicaIs near as I can teII.",
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"text": "It is sad that this thread moves faster than my eyes can follow; but Dr. Goyette for the college spells out what he believes the term \"faith seeking understanding means, and in his address says that for St. Anselm this means a reasoned demonstration of the existence of God, and this is not at all what St. Anselm meant by faith seeking understanding. For Anselm, fides quaerens intellectum means \"an active love of God seeking a deeper knowledge of God. \"Neque enim quaero intelligere ut credam, sed credo ut intelligam. Nam et hoc credo, quia, nisi credidero, non intelligam.\" (\"Nor do I seek to understand that I may believe, but I believe that I may understand. For this, too, I believe, that, unless I first believe, I shall not understand.\") \nSo Goyette it seems is describing a sacred theology that is not a fully Catholic sacred theology, but one which he limits to natural theology.\nThe Light of Faith, the encyclical, in fact spells out quite beautifully what faith seeking understanding really means and the previous three Popes have spelled out beautifully the means and ends of sacred theology.\nIt is sad the college does not use these definitions, but the constricted one provided by Goyette.\nI knew Goyette when he was in his 20s. He was very stubborn, and often adhered to false notions like a puppy sinking its teeth into the cuff of someone's trousers. I will certainly pray for him and the college.\nSacred theology employs a wide variety of means to help the believer gain a better understanding of his faith, and not just those logical demonstrations of scientific reason which the college presents. \nLet us talk about these beautiful paths by which the believer seeks understanding. These are the paths of love of God, the secret ways of devotion.",
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"text": "Scott, you really use a lot of words to say a little",
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"text": "Weiss And yet, Aquinas WAS an innovator. He wasn't trying to be, I expect, but when one is seriously applying oneself to understanding innovation just will happen: since there's always something new to discover, or a new appreciation of already acquired truth.",
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"text": "There might be a sense in which Aquinas was an innovator, Rebecca, but in a much more fundamental sense he was a continuer: he developed the received understanding of philosophy and theology in such a way as to more clearly show what was contained in them.",
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"text": "You may be confusing the act of faith with fides quaerens. The latter presupposes the former. But these are good suggestions. Maybe when you start your own school, TAC will emulate your trailblazing and follow on the new paths. [@Scott]",
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"text": "Scott, you should go to my alma mater. You would have a field day. You don't even need to invent heresies.",
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"text": "\"you really use a lot of words to say a little\" = phiIosopher",
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"text": "John Ruplinger, I would think that if this New E thing lacked \"Catechism, death, judgement, heaven and hell\" it wouldn't be much any kind of evangelization at all. I don't pretend to know a lot about it, but I don't think the claim is that there is need for new doctrine.",
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"text": "Or, I guess that depends whose claims we are talking about. I suspect there are as many people using that term as there are people 'explaining' Vat. II. Some will be rightly interpreting the mind of the bishops and some will be nuts.",
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"text": "^ yes. I find it confusing.",
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"text": "http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/pediatric/\nMutated Pediatric Names Linked to Higher Mortality\nAtlanta, GA -The lead article in this month\u2019s Journal of...\nGOMERBLOG.COM|BY ARARE LITUS\nSeptember 28 at 6:26pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nSamantha Cohoe I wish Mr. Goyette were on facebook.",
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"text": "Yeah, I suspect I shouldn't have been casting shade on this New Evangelization, in Katherine is standing up for it, especially since, as I said, I've never heard of it before.",
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"text": "If the content isn't meant to be different, then I have no a priori beef with it.",
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"text": "Everyone talks about New Evangelizing, but I'm not even sure what it looks like. I think maybe smiling and hugging people.",
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"text": "Goyette was among those to whom I endeavored to lay bare the mysteries of tNET. I was at that talk... he just straight-forwardly summarized some sections from the beginning of the Summa. There was nothing novel in it... and certainly nothing suggesting we supplant Faith with reason. But let's not feed the troll. Also, I don't really know what the NE looks like- I didn't mean to defend it exactly, but to clarify what it is actually purported to be.",
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"text": "I wish I could have you over right now for some coffee and pumpkin pie, Samantha. But this is the next best thing, I suppose.",
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"text": "so if new evangelization doesn't differ with regard to the content, then how is it different? A catchy jingle? Dance routines? I'm unclear how it could be different if the matter is the same.",
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"text": "1. Daniel Lendman, you and I must differ in disposition with names. I lived with the Nietos after TAC and I still call Mr. Nieto Mr. Nieto....\n2. Aquinas cannot really be called an innovator, and I would advance that innovation and novelty are the marks of bad theology. What he was, was a systemizer. Perhaps you can call that an innovation, in a certain respect, but the point is that innovation is not the essential character of his work. Rather, \"he most venerated the ancient doctors of the Church, in a certain way seems to have inherited the intellect of all.\"\nIndeed, the theses he advanced, that at the time were deemed novel and attacked and even condemned by the archbishop of Paris, were actually founded in the Fathers and tradition (though sometimes with disagreement among Fathers), and previous scholastic before him were the ones that had stumbled. Examples of this are\na. His Christology- the homo assumptus theory and things like that had made a resurgence in the West. Thomas, clinging to the earlier Councils, and Fathers of both West and East, rejected this and advanced the real Christology of the councils\nb. He was condemned, for all things, in holding that not all lies were mortal sins....people now think he was hardline! But again, the discussion on lying was not always as severe as the \"Augustinians\" made it out to be.\nc. That Christ had acquired knowledge, and not just Beatific and infused knowledge. This was rejected by Bonaventure, Albert the Great, and Alexander of Hales, and after Aquinas by Scotus and Suarez. But that He had acquired knowledge was not a true innovative insight, but a part of the recovery of a more complete Christology (indeed even Aquinas originally denied Christ had acquired knowledge, and then saw the error in the light of the Fathers)\nI could go on, but all his innovations seem to boil down to a) restorations of aspects of theology neglected b) harmonization of sometimes confused and conflicting accounts of the Father c) boiling down what was always believed to its more intelligible principles\n3. What is meant by new evangelization is this: not that it is a new Gospel to be preached (God forbid!) or even that the manner of evangelization before Vatican II must needs replacement, but rather this- that lands, formerly evangelized, are now as mission territory. In some ways, America has always been canonically treated as mission territory (though starting with the Plenary Councils of Baltimore, we started, but never actually achieved, setting up full canonical ecclesiatical structure- e.g. parishes never actually met all the requirements then required by canon law, and even by the 3rd Plenary Council, they recognized we had a long way to go). But now even Europe must be treated as, largely, nations of unbelievers. Lax Catholics have always existed, of course...though in the age of faith, even bad people in some way believed in a way they do not now (though watching Latino gangbangers, take off their hats and cross themselves in front of a Catholic Church may be similar).",
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"text": "Elliot Milco, we need more hugs! And smiles...followed by convicting the world of sin and calling it to repent....",
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"name": "Joel HF",
"text": "Joshua Kenz--you and Elliot Milco should get together to talk about how great being compared to Chesterton makes you feel.",
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"text": "I suspect that what was originally meant by \"New Evangelization\" was that there was a first wave of evangelization during the apostolic and patristic periods, and we need another one of those for the present age in light of the rapid expansion of atheism across the globe.\nUnfortunately, the combination of \"New Evangelization\" with \"New Pentecost\" and other \"New\" things that people have talked about since the 60s gives one bad ideas, and the general lack of clarity about many things doesn't seem to help.",
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"text": "Joshua, do you share my love for the Great and Holy Doctor of Common Sense PBUH?",
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"text": "Elliot Milco, from earlier in the thread \"Daniel Lendman, I think that is the lowest insult you have given me! To compare what I \nsaid to a Chestertonism ... I will try harder at having substance and \nnot just witticism\"",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, I thought the text I quoted distinguished the so-called 'new evangelization' in terms of the recipients of the Gospel, not in terms of its nature. I.e. there are some who are not pagans but who need the Good News preached to them. This is a new kind of evangelizing because the hearers are often born into Christian families. Now, why call this evangelization rather than re-conversion or something, I am not so clear about. But what makes it new compared to the Apostles being sent to new continents is clear enough.",
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"text": "http://thepracticingcatholic.com/.../cardinal-wuerls-3.../\nCardinal Wuerl's Three Core Elements of The New Evangelization\nCardinal Wuerl spoke recently at the Christ Our Life...\nTHEPRACTICINGCATHOLIC.COM|BY DEACON JOEL AND LISA SCHMIDT",
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"text": "My understanding is that it's a more formaIized and more traditionaI version of the Charismatic CathoIic RenewaI which has some free form aspect to it. It's Iess Southern Baptist, more straight Iaced.",
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"text": "CCR has catchy songs, dancing, hands in the air, etc.",
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"text": "As opposed to the traditionaI CathoIic approach of driving peopIe away whiIe baIancing the Iosses with marriage and Iots of chiIdren.",
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"text": "Presumably, and maybe this is what you're getting at, one would approach a baptized person in Michigan differently than one would a pagan in a pagan land. One wants to deliver the message in a way suited to the hearer. But the problem could arise from thinking that the way to win over the hearer is to water down the message.",
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"text": "I think the real problem is that people believe that the message needs to be made appealing to people, i.e. that the burden of credibility falls on the preacher and not on God speaking through him.",
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"text": "Thanks for that link, John Ashman. It looks helpful.",
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"text": "Well to some degree it's just common sense that you adapt yourself to your audience. I wouldn't proclaim the Gospel to you in Greek, for example, even though much of the New Testament was composed in that tongue. But in another way you are quite right... it would be silly to try to figure out what values the hearer already has and then try to make it sound like the Gospel is just re-affirming those.",
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"text": "There's an attitude I've found often among new evangelizers, which is that new evangelizing involves easing people into the gospel with lots of affirmations and smiles, so that they never feel put down or like their views are being rejected.",
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"text": "I enjoy Chestertonisms in small doses...problem is he writes every line as if to make it quotable, and thus never really goes beyond throwing up bombastic imagery, into the real substance of what he is talking about. It also makes his writings less unified...great for finding witticisms though.... Belloc was the better essayist and, in his better poems, better poet, of the two...but he gets less love ",
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"text": "@ Elliot. I see. Ick.",
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"text": "I agree with the ick, but it's an understandable temptation. If you think the gospel is just like any other bit of propaganda, then you've got to sell it to people.",
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"text": "Step 1 is \"God Ioves you no matter what\". Versus the oIder styIe of \"you're going to heII\". CCR is simiar to a 12 step program but has 7 or 8 steps I beIieve. Each one designed to bring peopIe in without anxieties or fears or resistence.",
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"text": "What is the other option though? Scare peopIe? Threaten them? That was the oId schooI, medievaI method. I suppose you couId hope for osmosis or a sudden direct visit from God himseIf.",
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"text": "It sounds like people are more afraid of an evangelization that replaces the saving truth with a non-demanding affirmation. One should speak the truth in love. Need the truth, need the love. One or the other alone isn't Christ.",
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"text": "pandering makes me sick. I hate it in all of its hydra-like many-headed appearances. \nI refuse to pander, nor to speak to someone if I am being pandered to",
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"text": "People always tell that story about St. Dominic staying up all night converting the innkeeper, but they don't normally mention his methods of torture.",
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"text": "Wait, who or what is (doing the) pandering?",
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"text": "Why are charismatic movements pandering??",
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"text": "Because people want them? In that case, isn't your traditionalist church pandering to you with all its incense and whatever kind of orienting of the alter and whatnot?",
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"text": "Weiss But please, someone, explain to me why it is icky to appeal to people and make them feel comfortable about discussing the faith. With all the false versions of Christianity out there, people are very prepared to be suspicious and dismissive; fire and brimstone is unlikely to make them want to listen. The ethos element of classical rhetoric is just as important as the logos. And in this case, the ethos is part of the logos.",
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"text": "postulating things is all anyone has done on this subject!!!!",
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"text": "Weiss Oh, and who said anything about warm fuzzies, eh?",
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"text": "Guys, all these words are so intellectual and proud. Don't you think we need to just feel some more love?",
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"text": "Weiss Samantha, they're using enthymemes, but the missing premises are hidden in the aether. Not to be available unless one has achieved the gnosis.",
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"text": "Weiss Every Man his Own Straw Man: Sustainable Logic for the Post-Modern Age.",
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"text": "Weiss Ugh, mass at FUS. I stopped going there and started going to St. Pete's. Then discovered that everyone was insufferable and uptight. Now I drag myself to the most basic little parish imaginable, though communing with nature and toasting Dionysos might be a more appealing way to spend a morning.",
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"text": "Weiss Syllogisms are unnecessary because they only show us what we know already, unless you want to grant a synthetic a priori (runs and cowers under Descartes' stove).",
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"text": "liturgical music is a magisterial matter. Where's Scott?",
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"text": "The Church's authority definitely seems to be on the side of the Palestrina/chant/organ people: see Tra Le Sollecitudine, for example.",
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"text": "Weiss A Kantian? Where? I didn't think you TACers allowed them. I figured you smothered them with copies of the Summa or something.",
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"text": "The organ is a patch for poor musical formation: it makes it so that no one has to listen to the awful droning of their neighbors during hymnody.",
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"text": "Also, we're waiting for him to show us how the core theology curriculum at Christendom is the right way to do theology.",
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"text": "Elliot, that's just because very few actually bother to play the organ anymore.",
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"text": "Weiss Don't complain about people not playing the organ. Sometimes they try to play it when they shouldn't and that is infinitely worse.",
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"text": "Weiss Scott: in which case Christendom has been holding out on us, since all the rest of us would LOVE to read his lost Dialogues.",
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"text": "Or if the organ isn't being used as a patch for horrible singing, it's being used to keep the congregation entertained during the offertory or the ablutions.",
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"text": "And, furthermore, Christendom just seems to waltz through all the complicated dogmas at the very beginning of the course of studies: is this supposed to indicate that the dogmatic matters can just be skimmed through early on and left behind?",
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"text": "Scott, can you tag some of your Christendom professors?",
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"text": "I'd love to know what they think of their faithful defender.",
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"text": "Also, I would highly recommend Ratzinger's The Spirit of the Liturgy. The whole thing is a masterpiece, but there's a chapter in there about sacred music which is amazing.",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "I Iove how peopIe take something very simpIe (a supreme being beyond comprehension) and them muck it up with pedantic detaiIs about it with their \"unique\" knowIedges, fight about it for 2000 years and then caII me a troII. It's....deIicious. I mean, this is what God wants, right? Incessent infighting and name caIIng? AIi very....ChristIike.",
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"text": "Piano is worse than guitar at Mass...indeed the Church allows string instruments and have, at least as an exception, for a long time, but percussion it never liked.\nThe Organ should be used minimally when not supporting chant. On certain feasts, for processions and recessions it is great to have it thundering. But I am with Milco on not playing it as filler music.",
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"name": "Elliot Milco",
"text": "It's ok John. Everyone is on the same path to emotional self-fulfillment, right? We are our own truth.",
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"text": "I think this is the music we need at Mass\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFIkeXQI8nI",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Christendom provides the full outlay of the principles of sacred theology, then dives into the principle one in Moral and Sacramental Theology. It does not just provide a truncated version of sacred theology as a demonstration of rational proofs. That is just a false presentation of sacred theology and leads to heterodoxy, and that is a very funny picture above.",
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"text": "It's clear by now you're a dummy, Scott. The real question is - whose hand is stuck up your backside?",
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"text": "Plus Christendom has a couple of world class theologians. Real theologians, not threadworn Catholic dads masquerading as Victorian men of leisure.",
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"text": "Plus Christendom grads are about 99.9 percent true gentlemen. I may be the only exception.",
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"text": "That what what they used to say about John Major, Isak, and the hand belonged to Margaret Thatcher.",
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"text": "Nice photoshop, btw.",
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"text": "I am pleased to be named among the likes of Margaret Thatcher. Isak=John Major.",
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"text": "Isak Major, you are a man of remarkable talent. Your opposition has solidified a majority based on truth.",
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"text": "\"We are our own truth.\" But that beats being someone eIse's truth, does it not? Why are we not discussing the 3rd testament so we can go to heaven with the Mormons? I wouId hope God wouId be Iess hard on those who seek their own truth and faiI to find it, rather than those who simpIy foIIow what has been Iaid out for them according to some guys who are dead and are beyond questioning.",
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"text": "I rise today to thank Sir Isak Major, for helping to secure the defeat of his own party.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Shout out to The Honorable Woman. The pilot was AMAZING. Everyone should watch it.",
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"text": "Goyette, in his introduction to sacred theology, effectively defines sacred theology as the rational demonstration of Thomas's five proofs. Hmm...",
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"text": "Since Elliot Milco is here, maybe I should backtrack a few weeks and insist again that the Christian intellectual tradition survives only at Yale",
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"text": "They must have repIaced anything reIated to teaching the Constitution with that because we now nothing of inteIIectuaI originaIism survives.",
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"text": "That's true actually -- I don't think anyone tried to teach me originalism there",
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"text": "I couldn't find any professors who would teach me geocentrism either",
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"text": "Damn liberal bias",
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"text": "that's okay, we have the CathoIic Church for that stuff.",
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"text": "Sorry, John, I can't hear you over the theme song from My Little Pony.",
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"text": "I thought Paw PatroI was on.",
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"text": "Thesis: The bulk of the problems in theology today can be traced back to the Jesuit order- viz. to the Jesuit's adoption of certain Scotist theses on one hand and nominalism on the other.\nDiscuss.",
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"text": "They are only partially responsible for von Balthasar",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Pre- or post-suppression?",
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"text": "Pre-suppression, made worse after",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "It's probably better to blame the Franciscans.",
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"text": "I have in mind the following\n1. The over emphasis on conscience and conflation of it with prudence\n2. Subtle casuitry, sometimes absurdly immoral in implications (like the Jesuit Diana's treatment of wearing a habit while visiting a whore- you are excused lest you cause scandal)\n3. Treating divine causality as univocal (Molinism)\n4. Denying the distinction of potency and act \n5. Until recently, denying the universal call to holiness; e.g., treating contemplation and meditation as something extraordinary and not a call for the laity (Garrigou Lagrange had a hand in finally smashing that error)\n6. Due to their casuitry, leaving little room for the beatitudes and counsels or even virtue in morality\n7. Probablism, which allows for moral laxism, especially when everything is \"in dispute\"\n8. Denigration of the role of the liturgy\n9. Emphasis on the experiential in the spiritual life (Ignatian retreats). Compare this to Carmelite/Dominican spirituality, as etended to the laity...again follows because they don't think laity are generally called to anything beyond\n10 And in like mind, emphasis on the minimal adherence to what suffices morally, rather than perfection\n11. The treatment of the contrition necessary in confession as being sufficient if it is only fear of hell (Thomists don't hold that, but we are told it is Church teaching when it is Jesuit teaching), leaving out any need for love of God\n12. I could go on. Many saints in the Jesuit order, but the problems of today are visible then as in seeds of disruption.",
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Hey John Cuddeback, Thomas Aquinas College defines sacred theology solely as the rational demonstrations of the existence of God.\nBWAHAHAHAHAHA!",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "hey Scott - you're an idiot!!\nBWAHAHAHAHAHA",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "A syllabus of the errors of the Jesuits \u2014 what is this, a forum for 19th-c. history?",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "Just trying to stir the pot...start an argument. Guess we don't have any laxist Suarezians here tonight",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "Y'all can have all the hand clapping, guitar strumming you want. We have plain chant for the propers, and organ for the other parts (communion motet, offertory motet, recessional, etc.) but then again, it's a solemn high with deacon and sub-deacon every Sunday",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "Joshua, also the practical anthropological error of privileging will over intellect",
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"text": "I'm just surprised to find someone who still reads Garrigou Lagrange.",
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"name": "Joshua Kenz",
"text": "You don't like his spiritual works?",
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"name": "Elliot Milco",
"text": "Beitia where are you, geographically?",
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"text": "not too far from you",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "My experience with G-L is that he is a very average thinker.",
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"text": "Daniel, there are a ton of people who still read Garrigou Lagrange.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "But I haven't read too much, so I won't hold myself to that.",
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"text": "but I'm on the other side of a major city",
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"text": "My professors didn't read him, but then I did philosophy, not theology.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah, I think he was blackballed by Toronto for some reason.",
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"text": "Aesthetic preferences are moral preferences. The reason for this is that the natural purpose of all aesthetic art is to lead and aid the soul in its pursuit of the transcendent Good. So of course, e.g. some music is bad in this respect, some good, and of the good, some is better, etc.",
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"text": "That's unfortunate for you.",
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"text": "Just think of me as an Arts Master rather than a Theologian, to put it into 13th-c. terminology. ",
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"text": "Sez you ...",
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"name": "Jehoshaphat Escalante",
"text": "I love Garrigou Lagrange!",
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"name": "Erik Bootsma",
"text": "Being on the other side of a major city is like being on the dark side of the moon. Or maybe on the other side of a black hole. Just dont go through there.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "I find a syllabus of errors that the Jesuits make (or have made) to be beside the point. In my university parish, which is manned by Jesuits, their primary considerations are the pastoral guidance of the students, faculty, and townies, and the saving of souls. They also are quite intelligent and expert at preaching. I love the Jesuits.",
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"text": "G-L is average on some things sure, but superb on others. He did prefer teaching Spinoza before he was ordered to do theology...\nHis discussion of the universal call to holiness and contemplation as something even the laity are called to do though is one of his great areas, and where has has left his biggest mark on the Church. He was made the first chair of Spiritual Theology at a Pontifical University fora reason, and I believe will be canonized one day (a belief Maritain held as well, despite their falling out)",
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"name": "Elliot Milco",
"text": "I would imagine it's like being a large striped sock covering the smelly feet of a giant.",
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"name": "Daniel P. O'Connell",
"text": "Don't slander Lady Philosophy, Elliot.",
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"text": "Beside what point? I was the one that raised the topic! It is the point from the fiat of the one who raised it. Whether it is important or not is another matter.",
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"text": "Do we still have any of his course notes or books on Spinoza? Or did he not leave any behind?",
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"text": "Does moral theology have God as it's object? Or is it rather man and what ought to be done?",
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"text": "Proof:\nRespondeo dicendum quod sacra doctrina, ut dictum est, una existens, se extendit ad ea quae pertinent ad diversas scientias philosophicas, propter rationem formalem quam in diversis attendit, scilicet prout sunt divino lumine cognoscibilia. Unde licet in scientiis philosophicis alia sit speculativa et alia practica, sacra tamen doctrina comprehendit sub se utramque; sicut et Deus eadem scientia se cognoscit, et ea quae facit. Magis tamen est speculativa quam practica, quia principalius agit de rebus divinis quam de actibus humanis; de quibus agit secundum quod per eos ordinatur homo ad perfectam Dei cognitionem, in qua aeterna beatitudo consistit.",
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"text": "Proof (in English):\nI answer that, Sacred doctrine, being one, extends to things which belong to different philosophical sciences because it considers in each the same formal aspect, namely, so far as they can be known through divine revelation. Hence, although among the philosophical sciences one is speculative and another practical, nevertheless sacred doctrine includes both; as God, by one and the same science, knows both Himself and His works. Still, it is speculative rather than practical because it is more concerned with divine things than with human acts; though it does treat even of these latter, inasmuch as man is ordained by them to the perfect knowledge of God in which consists eternal bliss.",
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"text": "Proof of the major:\nRespondeo dicendum sacram doctrinam unam scientiam esse. Est enim unitas potentiae et habitus consideranda secundum obiectum, non quidem materialiter, sed secundum rationem formalem obiecti, puta homo, asinus et lapis conveniunt in una formali ratione colorati, quod est obiectum visus. Quia igitur sacra Scriptura considerat aliqua secundum quod sunt divinitus revelata, secundum quod dictum est, omnia quaecumque sunt divinitus revelabilia, communicant in una ratione formali obiecti huius scientiae. Et ideo comprehenduntur sub sacra doctrina sicut sub scientia una.",
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"text": "Proof of the major (in English)\nI answer that, Sacred doctrine is one science. The unity of a faculty or habit is to be gauged by its object, not indeed, in its material aspect, but as regards the precise formality under which it is an object. For example, man, ass, stone agree in the one precise formality of being colored; and color is the formal object of sight. Therefore, because Sacred Scripture considers things precisely under the formality of being divinely revealed, whatever has been divinely revealed possesses the one precise formality of the object of this science; and therefore is included under sacred doctrine as under one science.",
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"text": "How about this: Thomas properly divides theology materially (concerning God, creature proceeding from God, the reditus to God, i.e. Christ and race).\nHe only quasi-formally divides it, e.g. into speculative and practical, ie. \"dogmatic\" and moral. Formal, beause the speculative and practical are formally distinct, but quasi-, because in theology they are unified because of the object, namely God and (secondary object) the creature as related to God. And even then, such a division, if in Aquinas at all, is not explicit and is more centered in the material division than a formal one.\nPositive and systematic would divide it into \"investigation of revealed truths\" and \"theological conclusions/deductive reasoning\" but it seems that this is like treating the Definitions and Postulates of Euclid as one science, and the propositions as another. Insofar as positive theology often proceeds historically, it perhaps is like dialectics in discovering the first principles?\nNow you suggesting apologetics, e.g., to be seen as a theological art?\nWould you distinguish, e.g., the \"apologists\" of the 2nd century, i.e. the Church Fathers of that century, from apologetics as say Catholic answers does it? One division I saw placed it as a subdivision of fundamental theology, namely as a narrowing of the study of revelation considered generically. \nBut maybe it can be said that the apologetics of the Fathers, or perhaps of a Robert Bellarmine, involved doing some actual theology, insofar as the principles of theology were investigated, explained and argued from, but insofar as apologetics is polemical, and has its aim not at the discovery of truth, but the defense of it from assailants, that is not theology, but an art that makes more or less use of theology?\nIn which case, something like Catholic Answers would be even further removed from theology, as they, at their best, only present scriptural/patristic authorities for magisterial teachings, while certainly avoiding theological conclusions and at best doing a minimal exposition of the sources, and not so much of the principles themselves?",
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"text": "Michael, this in particular pertains to your question:\n\"Sacred doctrine does not treat of God and creatures equally, but of God primarily, and of creatures only so far as they are referable to God as their beginning or end. Hence the unity of this science is not impaired.\"\nI, Q. 1, a. 3 ad. 1",
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"text": "\"But maybe it can be said that the apologetics of the Fathers, or perhaps of a Robert Bellarmine, involved doing some actual theology, insofar as the principles of theology were investigated, explained and argued from, but insofar as apologetics is polemical, and has its aim not at the discovery of truth, but the defense of it from assailants, that is not theology, but an art that makes more or less use of theology?\"\nThis seems more or less correct to me.",
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"text": "It also seems reasonable to understand the division of positive and systematic to be something like what you propose. Maybe it is a dialectic. \nThe difficulty is it is not a real division of the object but, apparently, our mode of approach to the object.",
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"text": "With all this in mind, while Whine-booger obviously gives a bad rep to Christendom student (several of whom I befriended in Virginia and were not idiotic by any means), a glance over their theological courses sows an extreme emphasis on \"positive theology\" The core curriculum is nothing but positive theology, and at that mostly centered in symbolic theology (the pronouncements of dogma), even in the context of the two courses on scripture (none on the fathers).\nFor a theology major, you could have only 2 courses in \"systematic theology\" and those would be the Trinity and Incarnation. You could have more, there is a lot of room for choice, but there isn't an ordering to it as befits a science. Doronzo remarked that the breadth of theology increased because of fragmentation, where each doctor became a specialist (this one in systematic theology of the Trinity, this one is positive scriptural theology, etc), but that the depth suffered for it. In anycase, I met some of the professor there, they were solid enough...but it does look like that fragmentation of theology that has been so problematic in having depth. For a bright student, that can be a hindrance overcome easily enough with discipline...but for a bad student, it can be the confirmation of theology as a set of propositions taught by the magisterium, without any understanding of the same.\nOne might think TAC could be improved with ever so little adding magisterial guidance Freshman year in fairness...",
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"text": "That seemed to me an issue at the DSPT too...that and not studying philosophy in the proper order...something remediable by a student or an advisor who knows better and cares., but still an issue.",
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"text": "This is why I plan to start a graduate school.",
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"text": "Daniel, the unity of the science isn't impaired, but that is a pretty extended sense of \"one\"",
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"text": "chemistry, biology and physics are all the same science in that they have knowledge of the created world as their object.",
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"text": "\"Isak Benedict Least I never told anybody to go to hell...\"\nAII is fair in Iove, war and king of the thread. \nI want the stats on how many times the word \"idiot\" has been used in tNET versus in the BibIe.",
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"text": "I think moral theology does have God as its object. Its first principles are the Church's infallible interpretation of revelation pertaining, in part, to virtues, such as the Dogma that Faith, Hope and Charity are infused with Sanctifying grace.",
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"text": "What does that mean?",
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"text": "I thought moral theology was \"what ought man to do\"?",
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"text": "Moral theology is \"What is revealed about man and his operations by God?\"",
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"text": "like metaphysics:theology::ethics:moral theology",
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"text": "and by this I mean, \"what has GOd revealed to us about how man ought to act.",
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"text": "I think there is something to that proportion.",
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"text": "I capitalized the O, in God to emphasize the notion of action...",
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"text": "I think how man ought to act is definitely a part of it. It has a lot to do with grace also. I find thelogy can be very difficult in the socratic method or without a really good professor teaching.",
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"text": "One wouId assume it naturaIIy ecompasses both, but it often cIaims one whiIe doing another. Or more probIematic, It generaIIy works backwards to get the Scripture to say what they want it to say. Much as how we \"interpret\" the Constitution to day. With the misuse of that document over 200 years, imagine the Ieeway miIIennia gives you.",
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"text": "^Unless of course there was a divinely inspired interpreter to keep us from doing just that.",
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"text": "And I know this may sound odd, but the Magisterium is the only theologian you can trust. I think we see progressively greater clarity of revelation through the ages in the Church's teaching. It is a slow moving theology in action, but this gives us time to catch up.",
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"text": "Scott, I find theology to be difficult even with a good professor. But I agree with you about this: finally a lecture method is a safer and more efficient way to learn theology.",
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"text": "Scott, I think that thinking of the Magisterium is a really helpful analogy.",
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"text": "\"The Church as Theologian.\"",
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"text": "with its own internal dialectic",
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"text": "lecture is probably the most efficient way of learning anything. It is much more mathematically efficient than watching a classmate fail at a chalk board.",
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"text": "I don't know of anyone who holds that the discussion method is the best method simpliciter.",
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"text": "Consequently, I think that TAC is wise to adopt the discussion method. The ITI uses the discussion method, but it is much more heavily guided. And this seems fitting.",
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"text": "there is less discussion at TAC when you're talking about upper level philosophy/theology classes as well. Especially if you had to suffer through Berquist",
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"text": "Well, I assume you are being facetious about \"suffering\" Berquist. But yes, I think that is right.",
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"text": "no, actually not. but that's another story",
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"text": "Well... you did say that you are a jerk... ",
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"text": "I prefer to say \"irreconcilable personality differences\"",
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"text": "they did pull him off of my thesis defense after my adviser bitched",
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"text": "I do think it is problematic to define sacred theology as the rational demonstration of the proofs of God's existence. This limits sacred theology, and tends to support heterodoxy. It supports heterodoxy, because students of the Faith tend to pick articles of faith and place them into their syllogisms to support their positions, which is the opposite of assent. Sacred theology proceeds generally in a dialectical manner, I think, the sacred dogmas used as starting points. Not as opinion, though, in the natural dialectic. At least this is how Thomas appears to proceed. It seems to me that Aristotle blends dialectic (Topics) with persuasion (Rhetoric) quite well when he defines Rhetoric as the counterpart of dialectic; and this is how he Church teaches... The Church does not teach sacred theology in syllogisms.",
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"text": "I am not sure how serious Isak is in his claim that I offended him, and how I offended him so deeply if in fact he is serious. I do not mind his little photoshops. They are not immoral. Please feel free to shed light on this if you wish.",
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"text": "I think Goyette, in his lecture, clearly defined it this way. As the rational demonstration of the pre-amble of the Faith, which he further defined as Thomas's five proofs. This was limiting, it seems to me, and the origin of heterodoxy.",
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"text": "Daniel, I agree, sacred theology begins with its principles: the sacred Dogmas. It proceeds in a reasonable way, but not necessarily in a logical or strictly scientific way; but dialectically and rhetorically.",
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"text": "Interesting points, but at the same time a giant leech can swallow a 70 cm (70cm!) long earthworm. Since this exists below the lunar sphere, it is fitting that it exist in a higher way above. Therefore Ouroboros exists.",
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"text": "Daniel, I do not believe that sacred theology must be confined to magisterial teaching (catechesis), but only the first principles must be sacred dogma. From these first principles, it can proceed dialectically and in a speculative manner. This is how theological discussion proceeds, or so it seems to me. This is how revelation is illumined by the sacred science, more and more as we move through time, and through the Magisterium as theologian. But in order that speculative theology not got astray and fall into heterodoxy or idle speculation, it is important to proceed in a manner befitting the sacred science, which includes an outlay of the sacred first principles, and an understanding of the demonstrative form of sacred science. I think sometimes when we reduce sacred theology to merely the rational proofs of God, for instance, this obscures the full and glorious meaning of faith seeking understanding.",
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"text": "Edward Langley, I am interested in your thoughts about what I said about arguments from fittingness above.",
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"text": "Well, just open up the Summa. Pick a page. It is in dialectial form. It is in the form descibed in Book 1 Ch. 1 of the Topics.",
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"text": "Before we go on, Scott, we need to be very clear on something: \nNO ONE HERE THINKS THAT THE PREAMBULA FIDEI ARE SACRED DOCTRINE PROPERLY SPEAKING. \nThe all caps is for emphasis. It does not mean yelling, or anger.",
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"text": "Syllogism from III, Q. 43a 2\nI answer that, as stated in the FP, Question [110], Article [4], true miracles cannot be wrought save by Divine power: because God alone can change the order of nature; and this is what is meant by a miracle. Wherefore Pope Leo says (Ep. ad Flav. xxviii) that, while there are two natures in Christ, there is \"one,\" viz. the Divine, which shines forth in miracles; and \"another,\" viz. the human, \"which submits to insults\"; yet \"each communicates its actions to the other\": in as far as the human nature is the instrument of the Divine action, and the human action receives power from the Divine Nature, as stated above (Question [19], Article [1]).",
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"text": "It is a typical behavior of people in eastern churches to claim various teachings of anyone other than them as non-orthodox. (Not meant in an offensive way.... But I've never had a problem with the Filioque)",
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"text": "I was simply responding to this point: [Any article from The Summa] is in dialectial form. It is in the form of the book of Topics.",
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"text": "Thomas is definitely giving demonstrations. I said this because it seems to me that some teach that the Catholic Faith and what Thomas taught are universally convertible. This is close to being true, but not quite.",
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"text": "Oh wait! I did here that talk by Goyette!!! It is the same one he gave at the SATS conference.",
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"text": "Well, it sure sounds like that's what Goyette says. He says sacred theology is the rational demonstration of the pre-ambles which are Thomas's five proofs. Firstly, the pre-amble is broader tat Thomas's proofs. Secondly, obviously sacred theology is broader that Thomas.",
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"text": "I agree that, simply speaking, the Catholic Faith and what Thomas taught are not convertible. However, it is pretty close. \nFrom the liturgy on Aquinas' feast the Collect prayer says, \"May we learn what he taught.\" This is the only Doctor where the prayer says this. All others are about imitating their learning and devotion and stuff.",
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"text": "Does so follow. Syllogisms produce certain scientific knowledge. Only natural theology (the pre-amble) is like this. The rest is not. Hence, the syllogism is not the form of the portion of revelation which cannot be known by reason alone. To say so, collapses theology and faith into rational demonstration.",
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"text": "So here we collapse into the typical TAC obfuscations... I have to run. In essence you are reducing sacred theology and \"faith seeking understanding\" to a rational, scientific demonstration. To hold that supernatural revelation can be known in this way and in this manner is a heresy. Ponder what I said, and I look forward to more of Isak's photoshopping. God bless.",
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"text": "De Trinitate Q. II a 2\nI answer that, since the essence of science consists in this, that from things known a knowledge of things previously unknown is derived, and this may occur in relation to divine truths, evidently there can be a science of divine things.\nBut knowledge of divine truths can be thought of in two ways. In one way, as on our part, such truths are not knowable except from created things, of which we have a knowledge derived from sense experience. In another way, on the part of the nature of these things themselves, they are, in themselves, most knowable; and although they are not known by us according to their essences, they are known by God and by the blessed according to their proper mode;\nand so science of divine things must be considered in a twofold manner. One is according to our mode of knowledge, in which knowledge of sensible things serves as the principle for coming to a knowledge of divine; and it was in this way that the philosophers handed down a traditional science of divine things, calling first philosophy a divine science. The other mode is according to that of divine things themselves as they are understood in themselves. This is, indeed, a mode of knowledge which we cannot possess perfectly in this life; but there is for us, even in this life, a certain participation and assimilation to such a cognition of divine truth, inasmuch as through the faith which is infused into our souls we adhere to the very First Truth on account of Itself.\nAnd as God, since He knows Himself, knows in a way that is His own, that is, by simple intuition, not by discursive thought, so we, from those truths that we possess in adhering to First Truth, come to a knowledge of other truths, according to our own mode of cognition, namely, by proceeding from principles to conclusions. Wherefore, those truths that we hold in the first place by faith are for us, as it were, first principles in this science, and the other truths to which we attain are quasi-conclusions. From this it is evident that this science is of a higher order than that which the philosophers traditionally termed divine, since it proceeds from higher principles.",
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"text": "I think the kind of argument that Samantha is objecting to is something like this:\nIt would be unfitting for God to create rational animals not descended from Adam, therefore aliens are not real.\nOr: It would be unfitting for God to create a world with a deceptive appearance, therefore Gosse's Omphalos hypothesis is wrong.",
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"text": "That's a form of argument that gets used a lot in \"apologetics.\"",
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"text": "scare quotes well deserved",
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"text": "I wish you were around for our discussion on apologetics Pater.",
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"text": "Or.... Anything known after the fact to say \"yes, of course that is true and most fitting.... <insert any random item of revelation> makes complete sense. Therefore we should have known all along that the butler did it\"",
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"text": "I contended that apologetics, at best, is an art in service of theology. Much like the art of logic stands to the science... except less useful.",
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"text": "I am curious to causation. What motivates attacks of claimed heretical views and distaste for \"western civilization\". Why does a Canadian by birth leave the Roman Catholic faith for an eastern church (which no doubt has a beautiful and traditional Liturgy.). \nWhen making this change of church, what other distinctions were created in the mind, how firmly does one hold to these \"orthodox\" distinctions?",
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"text": "This is not a rational discussion but one of psychology. Why does a person hold a belief not \"what is the belief\"",
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"text": "Many orthodox rites have a strong push for sacred theology as a piano recital of \"this is the orthodox view\" since it uses it as revealed truth. \nThe IC and Filioque have always been two strong points between Eastern Orthodox and the rite in communion with the church, having accepted the dogma, they don't make any questions regarding it since the Eastern Orthodox still do and the strong unquestioning attachment is their distinctive quality.\nAs an adopter of the rite, a person may make unreasonable strong attachments to their newly found faith.",
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"text": "Next 10:\n720 Peregrine Bonaventure\n664 Jehoshaphat Escalante\n601 Jeff Neill\n556 Jeffrey Bond\n448 John Boyer\n430 Daniel P. O'Connell\n402 Pater Edmund\n381 Catherine Ryland\n327 John Ashman\n286 Jody Haaf Garneau\n263 Nina Rachele",
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"text": "DOGMA: Internal supernatural grace is absolutely necessary for the beginning of faith.\nSacred theology has been described as faith seeking understanding. Therefore, the beginning of sacred theology are the principles of supernatural grace; and not self-evident first principles of a lower science.\nIf we assent in spirit to the sacred dogmas, our knowledge and understanding of God is by analogy, hence the sacred is not known in the same way that we say we know by natural reason, or with the same kind of certainty produced by a scientific syllogism. Yet we know by faith with even greater conviction -- with our heart and mind and spirit -- and we seek greater understanding of the supernatural mysteries. This pursuit is eminently reasonable, but can and should never be reduced to syllogistic reasoning. Hence, the syllogistic forms used by Thomas in his treatise on the Trinity, to the extent that this treatise begins with and treats of supernatural revelation, do not produce that same kind of scientific certitude as found in philosophy. But only by analogy. However, the form of the presentation is eminently reasonable.",
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"text": "I answer that, Sacred doctrine is a science. We must bear in mind that there are two kinds of sciences. There are some which proceed from a principle known by the natural light of intelligence, such as arithmetic and geometry and the like. There are some which proceed from principles known by the light of a higher science: thus the science of perspective proceeds from principles established by geometry, and music from principles established by arithmetic. So it is that sacred doctrine is a science because it proceeds from principles established by the light of a higher science, namely, the science of God and the blessed. Hence, just as the musician accepts on authority the principles taught him by the mathematician, so sacred science is established on principles revealed by God.",
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"text": "Objection 1: It seems that sacred doctrine is not a science. For every science proceeds from self-evident principles. But sacred doctrine proceeds from articles of faith which are not self-evident, since their truth is not admitted by all: \"For all men have not faith\" (2 Thess. 3:2). Therefore sacred doctrine is not a science.\nReply to Objection 1: The principles of any science are either in themselves self-evident, or reducible to the conclusions of a higher science; and such, as we have said, are the principles of sacred doctrine.",
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"text": "On the contrary, Augustine says (De Trin. xiv, 1) \"to this science alone belongs that whereby saving faith is begotten, nourished, protected and strengthened.\" But this can be said of no science except sacred doctrine. Therefore sacred doctrine is a science.",
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"text": "I answer that Sacred doctrine is not a science. Sacred theology is the science; and sacred doctrines are the principles of that science. The principles are known only by supernatural grace, not with rational certitude; hence, it proceeds by analogy of reason; ie. reasonably.",
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"text": "\"sacra doctrina\" is the latin expression that is often construed as \"sacred theology\" in English",
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"text": "Such as those used in the pre-ambles of natural theology, or geometry.",
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"text": "And leads to an expansion of conclusions and truths known by faith in a reasonable way; and in this way we grow in faith... our faith grows in understanding.",
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"text": "We may be at an impasse. A fork in the road. I say you cannot know the principles of faith nor its conclusions in the same way you know something that can be known with certainty by reason alone.",
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"text": "This difficulty does seem to keep coming up: I say you cannot know the principles of faith nor its conclusions in the same way you know something that can be known with certainty by reason alone.",
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"text": "What don't you peopld understand? Thomas is not the magisterium. Scott is.",
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"text": "I know I am not the Magisterium, but I think I've learned my ABCs. We cannot know the supernatural deposit of faith in the same way we know things of reason, but only by analogy of reason.",
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"text": "As a license candidate in Theology, I must say I have never encountered anything in my studies that would incline me to think of theology in the way Scott proposes. \nThat being said, I think it is unfair to make a mockery of his position as he has defended it today. He has not put on airs of dogmatism in this current argument.",
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"text": "Yet, Daniel, yet",
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"text": "the conclusions are as certain or less certain than the premises, no?",
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"text": "For what its worth (hint: probably not very much) I think you have stated your position reasonably. I think I understand your position better. However, I also think you are right to say that we are at an impasse.",
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"text": "But theology derived from first principles that cannot be reasoned to -- but can only be known by supernatural grace -- is sacred; and is not a rational science. It is a sacred science. It uses reason by analogy.",
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"text": "Objection 1: It seems that sacred doctrine is not a science. For every science proceeds from self-evident principles. But sacred doctrine proceeds from articles of faith which are not self-evident, since their truth is not admitted by all: \"For all men have not faith\" (2 Thess. 3:2). Therefore sacred doctrine is not a science.\nReply to Objection 1: The principles of any science are either in themselves self-evident, or reducible to the conclusions of a higher science; and such, as we have said, are the principles of sacred doctrine.",
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"text": "I have never seen this said about theology before: \"It uses reason by analogy.\"",
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"text": "Michael, the premises of a rational science are self-evident to all men by reason. But the supernaturally revealed premises of sacred doctrine are known only by those who have assented to the gift of supernatural Faith from God.",
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"text": "Natural theology -- the five proofs are part of that -- begins and ends with rational certitude. That is the kind of certainty that is produced by a scientific syllogism.",
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"text": "I don't think that's true, Michael. You need to believe what you study to understand it. This may not be true with somethings, but I think it is with sacred theology.",
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"text": "Caesar. [To the Soothsayer] The ides of March are come.\nSoothsayer. Ay, Caesar; but not gone.",
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"text": "It is because it involves feeling and imagining and thinking and salvation and virtue and sometimes we gain a better understanding of faith when we love.",
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"text": "I don't think Scott undestands the following terms: metaphysics, the definition of faith and magisterium. He seems to reject the syllogism and therefore Thomas.",
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"text": "I'm talking about sacred theology, Samantha... which gives us a kind of greater understanding of the supernatural Faith to which we have assented in our entire being. This is Faith seeking understanding.",
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"text": "Sacred theology is broader than Thomas's scholasticism. Metaphysics is natural theology.",
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"text": "That is, one draws conclusions from what stands as \"per se nota\"",
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"text": "Scott front loads his definitions, and defines opposing views away. that's why he continually restates the same thing",
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"text": "that's why we keep referring to him as \"Pope\" or whatever, because all of his statements are pronouncements",
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"text": "Read this: Scholastic natural theology (metaphysics) proceeds, per se, syllogistically, Ed. Sacred theology does not. It neither begins with the same kind of principles nor ends with the same kinds of conclusions, not known in the same way, but by faith. If what you are saying is true, Ed, we would undrstand our Faith by reason alone; and of course this is not the case.",
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"text": "it proceeds through love in the blooming of the growth of faith as a habit of soul, through being in one with the divine guided by magisterial hermeneutic. .",
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"text": "No, because two things go into understanding: the method and the content. The sciences of pure reason use a syllogistic method about matters we can see naturally. Sacred theology shares the syllogistic method but applies that method to the things we see by the gift of Faith.",
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"text": "And I know I am not the Pope, but I am just a Catholic laymen, a father of six and a federal liaison to the states of the heartland. I will always asent to what the Church teaches and strive to be fully and properly informed.",
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"text": "#scottgnosis",
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"text": "Thus, everything in sacred theology is demonstrated syllogistically, but since the principles aren't seen by man's natural light, the knowledge of the conclusions is not either.",
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"text": "Ed, you forgot a third and fourth thing that go into understanding faith: supernatural gace and assent. I would maintain that what we know of this is not known by reason, nor is it known with the certitude of reason; though it is eminently reasonable. You may not reduce theology in its entirety to the preambles of faith.",
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"text": "the subject of his sentence is \"everything in St. Thomas\"",
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"text": "it actually was \"Everything in Sacred Theology\"",
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"text": "And it also needs the qualification that \"everything\" really means \"everything except the principles\".",
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"text": "(Which could be justified by saying that the principles really aren't known by the habit of sacred theology but by the habit of faith since faith : sacred theology :: intellectus : knowledge)",
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"text": "Intellectus is a distinct intellectual virtue from knowledge and thus, similarly, Faith is a distinct intellectual virtue from Sacred Theology.",
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"text": "Is the conclusion that with ST we are more informed or less informed about theology?",
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"text": "Which is also evident from the fact that Faith is an infused virtue while Sacred Theology is an acquired virtue.",
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"text": "I'm not sure what your question means, Jeff.",
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"text": "banned: ST s.t. or s t : type it out ya lazy bastards",
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"text": "The fact is when it comes from learning from a human perspective, as wrong as we may be about \"truth\" it is still useful education; for example Ptolemy is still used for celestial navigation.",
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"text": "Beitia. You type on an iPhone.... Then come back just be thankful that I'm not using the \"guess the next word to write function\"",
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"text": "use speak to post. that should be entertaining.",
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"text": "Here is an example of sacred theology alive today. Sacred Theology did not end with Saint Thomas. In the example below, see how the Pontiff shies away from syllogism but instead -- after laying down principles we know by assent -- uses rhetoric and metaphor... such reasonable forms... formally smilar to the syllogism -- to show how faith has an act of love at its core. This is shedding new light on revelation:\nThese considerations on faith \u2014 in continuity with all that the Church\u2019s magisterium has pronounced on this theological virtue[7] \u2014 are meant to supplement what Benedict XVI had written in his encyclical letters on charity and hope. He himself had almost completed a first draft of an encyclical on faith. For this I am deeply grateful to him, and as his brother in Christ I have taken up his fine work and added a few contributions of my own. The Successor of Peter, yesterday, today and tomorrow, is always called to strengthen his brothers and sisters in the priceless treasure of that faith which God has given as a light for humanity\u2019s path...\nThe word spoken to Abraham contains both a call and a promise. First, it is a call to leave his own land, a summons to a new life, the beginning of an exodus which points him towards an unforeseen future. The sight which faith would give to Abraham would always be linked to the need to take this step forward: faith \"sees\" to the extent that it journeys, to the extent that it chooses to enter into the horizons opened up by God\u2019s word. This word also contains a promise: Your descendants will be great in number, you will be the father of a great nation (cf. Gen 13:16; 15:5; 22:17). As a response to a word which preceded it, Abraham\u2019s faith would always be an act of remembrance. Yet this remembrance is not fixed on past events but, as the memory of a promise, it becomes capable of opening up the future, shedding light on the path to be taken. We see how faith, as remembrance of the future, memoria futuri, is thus closely bound up with hope... \nFor Abraham, faith in God sheds light on the depths of his being, it enables him to acknowledge the wellspring of goodness at the origin of all things and to realize that his life is not the product of non-being or chance, but the fruit of a personal call and a personal love. The mysterious God who called him is no alien deity, but the God who is the origin and mainstay of all that is. The great test of Abraham\u2019s faith, the sacrifice of his son Isaac, would show the extent to which this primordial love is capable of ensuring life even beyond death.",
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"text": "Otherwise using the \"automatic writing\" I'd get \"sacred theology and sacred doctrine are the only thing that would make my phone to get my money and time consuming\"",
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"text": "Scott, what does that quote have to do with anything....",
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"text": "\"faith has an act of love at its core\"\nTaken a certain way, that would lead to the conclusion that will absolutely precedes intellect. Also, I don't see how the Pope quote says what you say it does.",
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"text": "Ed, I think in faith, the assent of the will takes precedence over the intellect. Abraham \"demonstrates\" that. But what are you saying? Are you saying that because Thomas uses syllogisms in his treatise on the Holy Trinity that the Sacred Mystery of the Blessed Trinity is something that we know with reason?",
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"text": "The quote from Lumen Fidei provides an example of an inquiry and demonstration of sacred theology that uses enthymemes and metaphors but not syllogisms. But what are you saying? Because you discovered syllogisms in Thomas, you seem to be saying we know the Trinity by reason.",
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"text": "Is this what you are saying?",
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"text": "Are you saying that we know the mystery of the Trinity by reason because Thomas uses syllogisms?",
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"text": "No, that's not what is being said.",
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"text": "So, what is being said then? That Thomas uses syllogisms to show the dogma of the Trinity is reasonable? Or because this was the manner and mode of the sythesis between faih and reason? What exactly is being said here?",
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"text": "Scott, the only way what you're saying can work is if you posit a deeper intellectual faculty, call it \"heart\" or whatever, something like the old intellectus/ratio distinction, or Coleridge's understanding/reason distinction; I think among Catholic writers Maritain, Borella, and Caldecott (and Maximos and Bonaventure among the ancients, as I recall) go in this direction. But will in the normal sense cannot possibly precede the noetic moment, because one can only love what is seen as loveable in the first place, and seeing is noetic, not volitional or passional. So name and define a different and deeper mode of mind than the abstractive/discursive, if you wish, but don't say that will precedes intellect because that's absurd.",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TsL0DO-c1E\nThe Truth behind Christian Rock: according to Hank Hill (Season 8 Episode 2: Reborn...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "I'm just wondering what you guys are saying about the sacred Dogmas. Are you saing you can know the Dogma of the Trinity with reason because Thomas uses syllogisms in his treatise???\nAs for the mind's assent to grace, I do think it is an act of the will, an act of the soul, the intellect guided by the will out of love. Consider this maxim:\nAlways quench your academic thirst,\nTo know thy God, then always love Him first.\nLove is an act of Faith. It require risk and trust. If you want to know God, love Him, if you want to love Him, love the poor...",
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"text": "If love preceded faith, then we would love something without even knowing that it exists in any sense of the term \"know\". Rather, traditionally, Faith precedes Love (i.e. Charity) as knowledge precedes the will.",
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"text": "As far as the dogma question goes, we're saying that Sacred Theology is not restricted to the things known immediately through the light of Faith.",
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"text": "Rather, something known by the light of Faith can be taken as a premise of a syllogism and combined with something else we know as a second premise to draw a conclusion.",
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"text": "Such conclusions are formally the objects of the intellectual virtue of Sacred Theology.",
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"text": "\"Love is an act of faith\" - not in any strict use of the words....",
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"text": "For example:\nThe relation of the Second Person of the Trinity to the First is son-hood.\nSon-hood implies identity of nature.\nThe Son and the Father have the same nature.",
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"text": "Aristotle certainly gives the will a kind of precedence over scientific ceritude in his Rhetoric, Ed. We are moved to do something by the reasonable appeal to will, not by a syllogism. I am not sure this means the same thing as you do, Ed, when you use the word \"precedence.\" But certainly with faith, it seems the will guides the intellect to give assent. Consider Abraham whose will led his intellect in his sacrifice to God, even before he knew what the Covenant was. I would say this was a bad deal for Abraham's intellect, but still his brain was guided by love.",
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"text": "As for your syllogism, Ed, if the major premise is a Dogma that can be known by supernatural grace alone, such as that God is One in Three Divine Persons, and the minor premise is something we can really know by reason alone, would you say the conclusion may be held with scientific certainty by Reason? I would not. We would hold this by Faith, by our assent to the major premise, and our assent to the conclusion would be a reasonable.",
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"text": "\"would you say the conclusion may be held with scientific certainty by Reason?\"\nYes I would because things held by faith are held with greater certitude than anything we hold by reason, even if we understand them less clearly.",
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"text": "Let's disagree on that. I do not believe you can jump from faith to reason like that. From a first principle known only by faith to a conclusion known by reason. That must be a heck of a middle.",
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"text": "The object of Faith is a proposition, not a concept. So there is no danger of equivocation on a middle term.",
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"text": "(I'm not sure exactly how strongly I'll insist on that, perhaps Faith also gives us greater clarity on our concepts in some way).",
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"text": "Mr. Edward Langley, to be clear it is a disputed question whether a truth, deduced through strictly illative means, from one premise that is revealed and another of reason, can be considered revealed and defined as such. Some say yes, other say only if the major premise is of faith. Thomists generally say both premises must be revealed. Just thought that nuance should be mentioned.\nOf course it remains that there are proper theological conclusions, some of which may be taught definitely by the Church, but that doesn't make them de fide, and others may be simply held as certain by theologians because of what the faith demands, without it being explicitly defined by the magisterium, let alone held as de fide.",
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"text": "\"As far as the dogma question goes, we're saying that Sacred Theology is not restricted to the things known immediately through the light of Faith.\nRather, something known by the light of Faith can be taken as a premise of a syllogism and combined with something else we know as a second premise to draw a conclusion.\nSuch conclusions are formally the objects of the intellectual virtue of Sacred Theology.\"\nDon't disagree. Just wanted to mention the disputed character of such conclusions in theology...",
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"text": "Oh, as far as being objects of the virtue of Faith?",
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"text": "As far as being considered as having been revealed, yes. I think we had this discussion earlier",
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"text": "A perhaps irrelevant historical point: Thomas' own peculiar idea of theology as a science (on the model of a subaltern science relative to the science of the blessed) was by no means a majority view and, in fact, there were many who disagreed with this idea. That doesn't make it wrong, of course, but I think it should introduce a note of caution when saying \"This is what theology is, because this is what Aquinas' model for theology was.\"",
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"text": "At the very least, it would be foolish to dismiss Aquinas's conception of theology given how frequently the Church has held up Aquinas as a model theologian. (Supposedly every Pope since John XXII, who canonized him, has recommended the study of Aquinas).",
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"text": "I think the debate is an interesting one, historically and philosophically speaking. I also think that oftentimes TAC'ers have a distorted view of Aquinas and how tenuous his opinions were, for a long time. Never foolish to learn something about history.",
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"text": "No, we know full well how, not tenuous, but contentious many of his views were...that was because of the errors of his opponents, like the archbishop of Paris.",
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"text": "(and, arguably, even earlier: Roger Bacon complains somewhere that Albert and Aquinas were being cited by name in theological writings)",
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"text": "(I get the 1275 date from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durandus_of_Saint-Pour%C3%A7ain)\nDurandus of Saint-Pour\u00e7ain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\nDurandus of Saint-Pour\u00e7ain, also known as Durand of Saint-Pour\u00e7ain (c. 1275 \u2013 13 September 1332 / 10 September 1334), was a French Dominican, philosopher and theologian.\nEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG\nSeptember 29 at 5:34pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley \"Since Thomas Aquinas was held at a higher standing than any other doctor within the Dominican order, they were to defend and uphold his ideas predominately. This caused Durand to be criticized from one of the leading Dominican followers of Aquinas, Hervaeus Natalis. This was a doctoral quarrel and an illustration of the fourteenth -century doctoral tensions. It was at this time that Durandus of Saint-Pour\u00e7ain set out to write his second commentary on the \"Sentences\", which he adhered more closely to Aquinas's way.\"",
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"text": "Roger. And his complaint was well-founded. \nSo, let me get this straight: his \"opponents\" (who exactly?) were always in error? Do you know that by faith or by reasin?",
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"text": "Tenuous implies there was little basis for his views. Au contraire, the \"traditionalists\" of those days were corrupted. The Incarnation is a great example where Aquinas was controversial because he went back to the traditional Christology, that had been distorted in the West (homo assumptus anyone).\nI have a list of examples when arguing he wasn't novel. No, the opposition to him would be like the opposition to rejecting moralities of conscience or that fear of hell alone suffices for confession....it would seem like novelty now, but in reality I would be defending a much more traditional view...one obscured for centuries",
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"text": "(wrt. the condemnations of 1270, someone showed by matching up the questions in one of Aquinas's disputed questions (De Virtutibus?) with the school-year that some of those are explicit replies to those condemnations)",
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"text": "(the set of questions I'm referring to has a question on the relation of the operation of the intellect to the operation of the will in which St. Thomas explicitly denies that the determination of the intellect necessitates a certain act of will. And that question seems out of place in the order of the questions.)",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat Escalante--is there such a thing as Christian philosophy? (And if so, obviously the question is then: what is it, and how does it differ from philosophy simpliciter?)",
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"text": "Joel: quick answer: in a way yes, in a way no.",
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"text": "FWIW Langley I brought up that pedantic argument over what can be de fide on Aug 17 6:48 pm and again on Aug 28th starting at 7:58 am, and Langley and I got into it over what could be de fide (I was be contrarian then...dang it my cover is blown because I forgot I had taken a different position earlier for argument sake)",
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"text": "At this rate, I'll neve recreate the history of 20th century Thomistic disputes!",
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"text": "My point is a fairly simple one (and it may apply only to myself and others like me): If you're going to study Thomas Aquinas from the perspective of Medieval philosophy or the history of ideas or the history of theology/religion, you can't appeal to doctrinal authority (you have to work out his arguments in detail and carefully outline his positions), and if you're just reading Thomas and only Thomas (not Bonaventure, Bacon, Henry of Ghent and Scotus etc.), you're not going to truly understand him in his proper context (as a thinker of the latter half of the 13th c.). But I think we are pursuing different aims here.",
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"text": "Yeah,I'm only accidentally interested in the Toronto Experiment (tm). I'll start taking it seriously when they start imitating the objects of their curiosity.",
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"text": "Mr O'Reilly gave a lecture in favor of Christian philosophy my junior year. But I think he meant something different from what the historicists mean.",
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"text": "Right now \"John Ashman, Edward Langley and 30 others commented on a link Matthew J. Peterson shared\" and \"Joshua Kenz, John Ashman and 14 others also commented on Matthew J. Peterson's link\" are my top two notifications. Anyone else getting both phrasings as well?",
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"text": "Of course there is a question of \"what is the homo assumptus\" theory...e.g. High of St. Victor seems to hold it in a funny way (strict identity of the man and the 2nd person), whereas Scotus doesn't like that strict identification...but that is Scotus, and his \"subtle\" distinctions for you )",
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"text": "Joshua, I'm not sure I understand the debate. But it seems that Scotus's take on substantial form could allow him to assert homo assumptus without being Nestorian?",
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"text": "So weird! Can't figure it out.",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, fwiw, a post from Aug 28 7:50 pm of mine had an interesting way of treating positive theology, apologetics, etc. from Lagrange\n1. The positive procedure.\n2. The analytic procedure.\n3. The apologetic procedure.\n4. The manifestative procedure.\n5. The explicative procedure.\n6. The illative procedure.\nHe sees them as different procedures within the same science...but remember how De Koninck distinguishes natural philosophy and natural science?",
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"text": "Nestorianism is the \"two person\" view, right?",
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"text": "Isak, the top notification is the Iast one. The previous one was from quite a few pages back. Once you comment again, then it creates a new notification with aII that happens after wards. It's not a dupIicate, by commenting, you've wiped that sIate cIean. Aiso, I think 30 is the number where it stops notifying you aItogether unIess you comment again. Something Iike that. But it's not a dupIicate notification or some sort of error. It's onIy how it works in comment heavy threads combined with spurious commenting.",
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"text": "It seems that as long as there is only one haecceitas, Scotus would be fine.",
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"text": "hiccuptas",
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"text": "\"Spurious commenting\" = the very definition of intrepid TNETers ",
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"text": "I think Daniel P. O'Connell makes an important point about study. I can study Kant without being a Kantian. I can study Scotus without being a Scotist. I can study Darwin without being Dawkins. \nWhy can't someone study Theology without being Christian?",
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"text": "*sniff sniff* \"Ugh dude who equivocated?!?\"",
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"text": "Rick BayIess is a gringo who is considered to be one of the greatest Mexican chefs in or out of Mexico.",
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"text": "So I can't study theology without being a theologian? The hell!?",
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"text": "No you can't have the science of sacred theology without faith that it could be a theologian without",
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"text": "\"Without faith the conclusions of theology would just be opinion .\" \nI thought this onIy appIed to the Pope.",
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"text": "I assume this must mean that any two theoIogians must have the exact same \"more than opinion\" because you can't have muIitipe truths going on.",
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"text": "never mind. I think I get what you mean. But the difference in our opinions is that you're looking at theology like it is true, I'm looking at it like it is a discipline.",
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"text": "in heroic couplets",
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"text": "I just write doggerel and nerd-folk",
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"text": "I can't see it. Can you repost it please?",
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"text": "O no. It's me in a snow white dress. With animals.",
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"text": "So if you have faith and study theology you can be a theologian; but, does this necessitate truth.",
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"text": "Are you asking if you can you rhyme Pelican with \"like hell I can\" and still be a poet?",
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"text": "St. Anselm's proslogium is quite charming. It is like a devotional:\nCome now, little man! flee for a while from your tasks, hide yourself for a little space from the turmoil of your thoughts. Come, cast aside your burdensome cares, and put away your laborious pursuits. For a little while give your time to God, and rest in Him for a little. Enter the inner chamber of your mind, shut out all things save God and whatever may aid you in seeking God; and having barred the door of your chamber, seek Him. Speak now, O my heart, O my whole heart, speak now and say to your God: My face hath sought Thee: Thy face, O Lord, will I seek.... let me find Thee in love and love Thee in finding...",
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"text": "Is that a Peregrine Falcon?",
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"text": "No it is the Peregrine",
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"text": "How dare you suggest anything about that picture is fake.",
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"text": "I took that picture myself. That creature was pooping all over my back porch and I thought y'all on TNET would like to see it.",
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"text": "Sorry, it just doesn't look natural.",
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"text": "I mean it looks photoshopped.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Oh I misunderstood you. I assure you that monstrosity is quite real.",
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"text": "No, the background has been manipulated. Most certainly.",
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"text": "http://xkcd.com/331/\nxkcd: Photoshops\nWarning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor...\nXKCD.COM",
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"text": "The Iris, or the royal Fleur-de-Lis,\nSignifies the Blessed Trinity, \nOur Lady, Seat of Wisdom, give us light,\nWithin this Sacred Mystery, to delight.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Beitia, that was inappropriate.\nHeed the website's warning.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Baby boomers-- awful generation, or worst ever generation?",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "apropos of nothing in tNET up to this moment",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "I don't know, they have all the vanity of the millennials....it's a toss up which one is worse",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "seriously, when you get to be 65, you should at least be starting to look after your soul, not trying to start your immoral \"counter-cultural\" youth over again.",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Hy...oh never mind.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "?",
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"text": "Hym...",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "nonononono!",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Poor taste, I'll own it!",
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"text": "#sorrynotsorry",
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"text": "Hymnal",
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"text": "Apropos of baby boomers, I wonder if the decline in violent crime alluded to previously is a result of an increase of the median age of the population.",
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"text": "^^ huh?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Earlier, we posted crime stats of NYC: it was something like 2,000+ murders in 1990 vs. 200+ in 2013.",
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"text": "A particular area?",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Oh, then preach",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "What followed was some speculation as to the cause of such a drastic change and Matthew J. Peterson noted that it's not just a local event.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "So, I'm wondering if an older population leads to a lower incidence in violence.",
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"text": "No not age, but probably communication.",
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"text": "(for instance, one explanation might be that older people are more likely to resolve differences verbally rather than violently)",
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"text": "Causation of crime is linked to \"thinking you can get away with it\"",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Wouldn't that mean that rural areas would have more crime per capita?",
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"text": "Seemingly",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "But when there are two roads out of town how do you plan a get away?",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Idk, I've seen some geriatrics go all kinds of ghetto!",
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"text": "When the town is like Southern California or New York you walk two blocks and you are gone",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Sure, but those places also have a much higher incidence of security cameras and traffic cameras.",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/channel/UCZQ7dDApGw0Gp6sRC5BXXkw\nAuntie Fee\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "This article: http://science.time.com/.../in-town-versus-country-it.../\nIndicates that you're less safe in the country but that is due to accidental injury rather than crime.\nIn Town vs. Country, It Turns Out That Cities Are the Safest Places to Live |...\nSCIENCE.TIME.COM\nSeptember 29 at 10:00pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nLiz Neill I add nothing, I get it.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "As does this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448529/\nUrban\u2013Rural Shifts in Intentional Firearm Death: Different Causes, Same Results\nMethods. We analyzed 584629 deaths from 1989 to 1999...\nNCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV\nSeptember 29 at 10:01pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nJeff Neill The biggest change is radio technology, just 15 years ago all police departments were on their own radio frequencies, once you get out of radio range you are free.",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "hah. the baby boomers are all about white collar crime. they've stolen from prior and posterior generations because they are the de facto majority.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "In 1990, most of the baby boomers were just around the mid-life crisis age.",
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"text": "I think in the next ten years we'll see a swing toward social programs for the retiring, if you know what I mean",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Yeah",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "And we'll finally see the effects of Griswold vs. Connecticut and Roe vs. Wade",
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"text": "(i.e. the societal effects rather than individual effects)",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "\"'Tis Hymen peoples every town;\nHigh wedlock then be honoured.\nHonour, high honour, and renown,\nTo Hymen, god of every town!\"\n~ Shakespeare, As You Like It",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I retract my shout out for the Honorable Woman. It's good but its getting pretty disturbing.",
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"text": "",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name": "Scott Weinberg",
"text": "Isak I am blocking you, for legitimate cause.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "The challenge is creating the businesses that play to their ever changing desires. Baby boomers Make previous retiring generations sense of \"active lifestyle\" boring and inexpensive. It is not Coincidence that Indian gaming is putting Atlantic city out of business.",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25653,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "The Greek god of marriage smiles not upon my work?",
"classes": "odd",
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"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 140,
"index": 25654,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Too far?",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 100,
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},
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"polarity": 158,
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"name_length": 10,
"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Apparently not anymore. Although it was better than the Oscar the grouch.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 57,
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"polarity": 153,
"index": 25656,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I think that makes three times since the advent of TNET that he has blocked and unblocked me hahahahaha",
"classes": "even",
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"subjectivity": 70,
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},
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25657,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "What a petulant, bratty child.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25658,
"name_length": 9,
"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Oh shucks, this was my fault .",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
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},
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"polarity": 170,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "No no, I hope it's for good this time. Now I don't have to read his mindless blather any more",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "No true poet can't handle Shakespeare and Greek gods. #Isakgnosis",
"classes": "even",
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"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Man this troll hide is soooo comfy #peltgnosis",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Hymen. There, I said it! No shame.",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25663,
"name_length": 9,
"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "If peeps get disturbed by that word, they have issues.",
"classes": "odd",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Peeps hahaha",
"classes": "even",
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25665,
"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I've never seen a disturbed yellow marshmallow duck.",
"classes": "odd",
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"polarity": 128,
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Isak should photoshop us one.",
"classes": "even",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Violent crime will never be the same as it once was. Recreational drugs are too available, and hard core drugs have more established syndicates. Street gangs / prison gangs have their territories established and the remaining violent crime is initiation rituals and crazy hate crimes & terrorist activities. \nThe anti-terrorism technology business is very difficult since their is no centralized buying power to afford large scale technological developments or minimal purchase volumes. But truthfully the anti-terror industry is stuck in the court room and whether a company can acquire indemnification for the tech developed.\nSo violent crime is limited to being fought with web bots and search engines and the radios and communication tools to respond as it happens.",
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"text": "",
"classes": "even",
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"index": 25669,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Way ahead of you Ed.",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 2,
"subjectivity": 25,
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Do you work, isak? Lol",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25671,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Not at work now Liz ",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-29T23:04:00"
},
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25672,
"name_length": 9,
"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Cheers to that",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 1,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-29T23:04:00"
},
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"polarity": 191,
"index": 25673,
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "You are a better man at photo shop\nThan I",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 1,
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"polarity": 172,
"index": 25674,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "You know what's hilarious - I taught my rhetoric class how to develop ethos today hahahaha",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 4,
"subjectivity": 81,
"date": "2014-09-29T23:05:00"
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25675,
"name_length": 13,
"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Oh pshaw it's just Microsoft Paint",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 25,
"date": "2014-09-29T23:06:00"
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "Lol",
"classes": "even",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 78,
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"polarity": 255,
"index": 25677,
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"name": "Liz Neill",
"text": "That's awesome",
"classes": "odd",
"likes": 0,
"subjectivity": 100,
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"polarity": 128,
"index": 25678,
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "John I can't wait to experience what it's like trying to guess the inanities the troll is spouting based on what people say in response to him!",
"classes": "even",
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"text": "Not that I can't understand . But, this grandstanding is hopeless, just saying,",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "poke the troll, and the troll..... wanders off in a huff?",
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"text": "No. He wanders In. Hym...",
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"text": "I had a fantastic conversation today with my 10th graders about rhetoric. I was telling them why speakers show up early to their events and go around meeting people, sometimes without even telling anyone they're the speaker for the night, and one of the students says \"Mr. Bond you're teaching us how to manipulate people!\"\nSo I turned around from the board with glee in my heart, having been waiting for a comment like that for two months, and asked the class \"What do you think? Is it always wrong to manipulate someone?\"\nThere was a glorious uproar immediately. When it calmed I quoted Quintilian to them, who defined rhetoric as \"the good man speaking well.\" There followed an argument over whether or not you had to be a just person to be a good orator. I think they're beginning to agree that rhetoric without virtue is truthless.",
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"text": "It\"a funny thing peeps",
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"text": "Is trolling like a Sith Lord rule of two kind of thing? Like, does the master troll the apprentice for a time until the apprentice turns and trolls the master so well he overcomes him, and becomes the master in his stead?\nIs this how Peregrine began, too? Because this feels so, so good.....oh, the power!!! Has he made me in his own troll image? Is this an endless Hegelian hall of mirrors, troll reflecting troll to eternity, preying on the lifeblood of humanity and multiplying the evils of the world in an ever-widening circle of malevolent destruction?!?\nOH GOD WHAT HAVE I BECOME...",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "I had warned you.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I shall not succumb.",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "In a land of trolls how does the good man appear?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Like Edward and Daniel, most likely. Their patience is otherworldly.",
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"text": "We are all trolls. You just cant admit it.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "\"Responding to the troll is the path to the dark side. Response leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to Trolling.\u201d",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "\"Trollens est diffusivum sui\"",
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"name": "John Ruplinger",
"text": "\". . . . Father I have trolled 584 times since . . . \"",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Matthew - nice example of anadiplosis! ",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Yes. But, Isak, you have trolled the troll who trolled you to an extent that surprised and even startled me, you spirited man.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "It's toxic, man.",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "It's how we troII.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I might even have meself a celebration beer!",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "I vagueIy remember arguing intenseIy with some guy named \"Peregrine Bonaventure\" or something over something reIated to something. Etc.",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "AIways got him confused with Betia for some reason.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Hey check this out TNET: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfs22E7JmI\nInherent Vice - Official Trailer [HD]\nINHERENT VICE, in theaters December 2014. http://inherentvicemovie.com http://www.facebook.com/In...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Can't wait for this - PTA is a great director. Magnolia is my second favorite movie.",
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"name": "John Ashman",
"text": "Raising Arizona meets PuIp FIction?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Magnolia was a great film... Best Tom cruise role ever",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I ask anyone I ever hear say Tom Cruise can't act \"Have you seen Magnolia?\"",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "It also got me into Amy Mann.... The film was just a big music video",
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"text": "His Oprah couch bit was basically that bit from the movie.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "One last thing before I go to bed, TNET - NaNoWriMo is coming up. Who's going to do it with me?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I wish the bishop of Portland would reprimand Mark Shea.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "While he sometimes is right, his mode just seems dangerous to me.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Also, it seems to me that both the Church and the State need to think about how the internet should be governed.",
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"text": "Especially since it basically is the public forum nowadays.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "What did he do now?",
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"text": "It's less any particular thing and more how he acts as if anyone who disagrees with him on anything is non-Catholic.",
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"text": "The most egregious examples are the things he says about guns and the death penalty: not to mention his imprudent posts about voting in the days leading up to the 2012 elections.",
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"text": "Is he anything like Matt Walsh?",
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"name": "Pater Edmund",
"text": "Has anyone got on Joshua Kenz's case for his temerarious claim above that Duane Berquist confuses the etymology of \"philosopher\" with its definition?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Haven't seen this, it sounds especially audacious given that the person who seems to have invented the term (Socrates in the Phaedrus), seeks to intend its etymology to be significant.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "Why Bishop of Portland Edward? Mark Shea lives in Seattle.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "I have spotted Pater Edmund recommending my forum . . . I must be doing something right.\nCome over and discuss why sacred theology is subalternated to the science of the blessed.\nhttp://socraticum.com\n(Send me a FB message or an email to webmaster@socraticum.com if it doesn't work for you)\nSocraticum.com\nAnyone with a Google or Facebook account can use that account to log in. Users who do not choose to take advantage of Google or Facebook login will also have to validate their email address.\nSOCRATICUM.COM\nSeptember 30 at 2:26am \u00b7 Like \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley Seattle then, Jody, somehow I got the notion that he was in Portland.",
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"text": "Mark Shea is a good guy at heart. He isn't a philosopher. He is a writer (and convert) trying to make a living.",
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"text": "He came up here to be the keynote at our Marian conference. I enjoyed chatting with him. He rubs most alumni the wrong way for sure.",
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"text": "But Canadians tend to like him (b/c we don't like the death penalty, we don't all carry guns, and we don't vote Republican or Democrat)",
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"text": "Yeah, I don't deny that, but I worry about his influence.",
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"text": "He raises some good questions that people in the Rep or Dem camps just won't and can't. Catholic conscience is above party politics. (But I think he is wrong to abstain or throw away a vote)",
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"text": "As far as the death penalty goes, I tend to think that the Church has decided to leave the particulars of the case up to local authorities.",
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"name": "Jody Haaf Garneau",
"text": "So I have a dilemma that came up at work tonight (parish faith formation). A priest is giving a 10 night talk on TOB using (among other things) his notes from Dr Waldstein's classes he took a while ago at ITI. But he takes every chance he can to throw St Thomas under the bus and out the window. As far as he is concerned that is past theology which is now replace by St JPII.",
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"text": "With a strong suggestion that it might never be necessary these days.",
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"text": "The problem came up with Adam and Eve. He made the point that scientists can trace the human genome to 9 original women (Eves) and he said that would be ok (and explain the 'other' people in Genesis who appear in the story with Adam and Eve's family). When I said there has to be 1 set of original parents (by dogma) he denied it.",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "That's odd for an ITI graduate:",
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"text": "I tried to avoid saying it but when I said it is found in Ott, he said Ott is outdated and too Thomistic. Ugh.",
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"text": "He wanted to check what Ratzinger says in \"In the Beginning\u2026\" (as if that would have more weight than the deposit of Faith?)",
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"text": "sigh. I wasn't sure how much to push as the parish coordinator and him being the priest speaker. But I will do my homework before next class.",
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"text": "What's his name?",
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"text": "Is the dogma one couple, or all descended from Adam?",
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"text": "The dogma is 1 couple as far as I know -- I am certain",
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"text": "I don't want to broadcast his name but seriously, I think something has to be said.",
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"text": "I don't like that he is promoting this as the 'new way' of theology when I am sure Dr Waldstein wouldn't agree (but appears to be in agreement). I like this priest but perhaps I should talk to the bishop (who does like St Thomas). Most of our priests would support St Thomas. I don't think it is an 'either/or' situation at all but he makes it into one.",
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"text": "This is Humani Generis: \"When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.\"",
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"text": "That only seems to commit to saying that all descended from Adam and leaves, e.g., the Lilith story open.",
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"text": "(prescinding from any objections to the particulars of that story).",
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"text": "He was going with the 'breathing the individual soul' into the animal evolved to be human-like. He saw no problem with multiple Adams and Eves.",
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"text": "I would like to hear what Joshua Kenz has to say about it.",
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"text": "Yeah, Trent is pretty clear about Adam:",
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"text": "1. If anyone does not confess that the first man, Adam, when he transgressed the commandment of God in paradise, immediately lost the holiness and justice in which he had been constituted, and through the offense of that prevarication incurred the wrath and indignation of god, and thus death with which God had previously threatened him,[4] and, together with death, captivity under his power who thenceforth had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil,[5] and that the entire Adam through that offense of prevarication was changed in body and soul for the worse,[6] let him be anathema.\n2. If anyone asserts that the transgression of Adam injured him alone and not his posterity,[7] and that the holiness and justice which he received from God, which he lost, he lost for himself alone and not for us also; or that he, being defiled by the sin of disobedience, has transfused only death and the pains of the body into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul, let him be anathema, since he contradicts the Apostle who says:\nBy one man sin entered into the world and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.[8]\n3. If anyone asserts that this sin of Adam, which in its origin is one, and by propagation, not by imitation, transfused into all, which is in each one as something that is his own, is taken away either by the forces of human nature or by a remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ,[9] who has reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, sanctification and redemption;[10] or if he denies that that merit of Jesus Christ is applied both to adults and to infants by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the Church, let him be anathema; for there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.[11]\nWhence that declaration:\nBehold the Lamb of God, behold him who taketh away the sins of the world;[12] and that other:\nAs many of you as have been baptized, have put on Christ.[13]\n4. If anyone denies that infants, newly born from their mothers' wombs, are to be baptized, even though they be born of baptized parents, or says that they are indeed baptized for the remission of sins,[14] but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam which must be expiated by the laver of regeneration for the attainment of eternal life, whence it follows that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins is to be understood not as true but as false, let him be anathema, for what the Apostle has said, by one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned,[15] is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church has everywhere and always understood it.\nFor in virtue of this rule of faith handed down from the apostles, even infants who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this reason truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that in them what they contracted by generation may be washed away by regeneration.[16]\nFor, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.[17]",
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"text": "(Sess.5 canons 1-4)",
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"text": "I don't think he'll listen to anything pre-JPII",
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"text": "I think at that point, a bishop should be talked to: I think the procedure is to first talk to him with a witness or two and, if he doesn't recant, inform the bishop.",
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"text": "But the weird thing is that he promoted the veracity of scripture and avoided calling Genesis a myth. So how can he make the story so stretched.",
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"text": "Your local bishop, if nothing else, to prevent him from teaching in your diocese.",
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"text": "So awkward. I am on friendly terms with this priest. But he knows I am a Thomist. The crazy thing is I consider myself a Catholic and a lover of the truth (not a follower of one philosophy).",
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"text": "I have tried to counsel him about how his comments putting down St Thomas don't help the ideas he wants to teach with TOB (but he doesn't listen; it has gotten worse). HIs comments take away from the truth and beauty of TOB in my opinion. He misunderstands JPII's purpose. It isn't to trash Paul IV Humanae Vitae or to rewrite the doctrines of the Church.",
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"text": "So is ITI in support of St Thomas? Or neutral? (but can you be neutral?)",
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"text": "I talked to a graduate who made it sound like their program basically was the Summa Theologiae.",
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"text": "But Daniel Lendman and/or Katherine Gardner would know better.",
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"text": "Here's their reading list for the STM: http://www.iti.ac.at/.../pdfs/STM%20Reading%20List%2009.pdf",
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"text": "This is the \"Second Principle\" of ITI: \"2. AD FONTES, EAST AND WEST: The Curriculum has its of departure in the primary sources written by the masters of the theological tradition, from the Fathers of the Church to the present age. It draws on the theological tradition of the East as well as of the West, seeking in this way to \u201cbreathe with both lungs of the Church.\u201d The Greek Fathers and St. Thomas Aquinas are particularly important points of reference.\"",
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"text": "I see that read that 'heretic' Newman.",
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"text": "Quite the reading list. (Augros made the list?!)",
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"text": "http://www.iti.ac.at/academics/pdfs/Overview.pdf p.2",
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"text": "I can't imagine that Waldstein was anything other than in support of St Thomas (and that was the teacher this guy went to learn from)",
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"text": "The quotation from Humani Generis indicates that monogenism is not a dogma, since the Church does not define dogmas by saying, e.g., \"Catholics are not at liberty to hold the contrary because it is not clear how to reconcile it with another dogma.\" The subsequent treatment of the opinion, i.e. by JPII and the ITC, makes this clearer still.",
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"text": "I took the \"For it is no way apparent . . .\" part as a kind of rhetorical emphasis.",
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"text": "The canons of Trent I quoted, however, seem to settle the question.",
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"text": "What treatment by JPII Michael?",
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"text": "Denzinger 717c:\n[Condemned in the letter \"Cum sicut,\" Pius II Nov. 14, 1459]:\n\"(3) That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man.\"",
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"text": "Is Ott outdated? Seems odd to say that.",
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"text": "from Ott: \"Unity of the Human Race\nThe whole human race stems from one single human pair (Sent. certa.)\"",
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"text": "\"Sent. Certa.\" doesn't mean dogmatic.",
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"text": "The text points to Humani Generis (as you quoted) as rejecting polygenism (the problem is original sin)",
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"text": "The priest's suggestion was that all of the pairs (the other Adams and Eves) each had their own original sin. But I pointed out, that isn't so original then is it?",
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"text": "The \"For it is in no way apparent\" is actually giving the reason for the first part of the paragraph. In the Latin text, it is not a separate sentence but a continuation of the same sentence with a causal 'cum' clause.",
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"text": "What about the Trent canons? They seem to assume that there was a first man, Adam.",
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"text": "I have to head to bed but I plan to also check what Ratzinger had to say in his book. \nBut how can new theological opinion overthrow centuries of Church teaching? It feels like the Galileo Reflex -- we don't want to be seen as scientifically backwards (or holding back science) so we dump what we believe to avoid that.",
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"text": "As regards JPII, perhaps I should speak rather of his lack of treatment. There is a striking silence in his 1996 speech to the PAS. First, he says that in Humani Generis Pius XII had stated that there was no conflict between evolution and the faith, provided that several indisputable points were maintained. Later, he says that Pius XII gave us \"the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith.\" He deliberately sets us up to be thinking about Humani Generis and Pius XII's conditions placed therein . . . and then goes on to mention only the doctrine of the immediate creation of the human soul. The omission of polygenism fairly shouts, given the expectation he sets up, especially since Pius XII spends quite a bit more time on polygenism than on the doctrine about the soul.",
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"text": "As for Trent, even if one went with the polygenism hypothesis, there would still have to be a first man.",
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"text": "Just to be clear, that means that one man from whom all men descended?",
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"text": "I didn't mean that, necessarily. I've seen people give varying hypotheses, including taking Pius XII's \"after Adam\" to mean that by the time of his death there were no human beings who were not merged into the line of his descendants.\nThe straightforward interpretation that you suggest has certainly been the traditional theological opinion; I'm only saying that it is not defined dogma.",
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"text": "\"including taking Pius XII's \"after Adam\" to mean that by the time of his death there were no human beings who were not merged into the line of his descendants.\"\nIt seems that that would run afoul of St. Paul's \"As in Adam all died\".",
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"text": "Since it would imply that there were some humans who didn't contract original sin.",
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"text": "Jody: The theological tradition, even if centuries old, is not necessarily Church teaching in the sense of defined dogma. The limbo of infants is a classic example of this.",
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"text": "I also wonder if this is one of the cases where the consensus patrium would be definitive.",
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"text": "Edward: The whole question is about whether there is another possible understanding of the propagation of original sin. Pius XII placed the restriction precisely because no one had a good alternative, but did not rule out the possibility that one might be discovered. Later theologians made proposals, and even though all of these might be wrong, the Church has not definitively ruled them, or some yet undiscovered one, out. This latter point also explains the relaxation of its attitude toward polygenism.",
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"text": "So I suppose the lack of liberty referenced in Humani Generis should basically be read as saying that non-qualified people shouldn't take an alternative view?",
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"text": "The consensus of the Fathers has weight not just when the Fathers agree on a point, but insofar as they agree on its pertinence to the faith. For example, even if all of the Fathers held to the theory of the four elements, this would not bind us to it because they do not understand it as being pertinent to the faith even if true.\nIt is probably true that there is a consensus among them as regards Adam's being the first parent in the traditional sense, but they see the importance of this as being exactly what you pointed out, e.g. St. Paul's remark. And so this consensus would be authoritative precisely to the extent that it pertains to the faith, namely that we cannot maintain a position that undermines the dogma of original sin; and this is exactly what Pius XII said. But it does not resolve the question of whether another interpretation of the propagation of original sin is possible.",
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"text": "I think that was roughly Pius XII's intent at the time. One sign of this is that when Grisez and others began to speculate about other understandings of original sin, which could in theory have taken away the reason for the prohibition, the Church did not rule out their project.\nHowever, the Church no longer seeks to censure anyone, so far as I know, for holding polygenism, and since I wish to follow the Church, I would not do so either. The prohibition was not explicitly removed, but it seems to have been implicitly removed. This is not to say that I think polygenism is necessarily true, though, only possible.",
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"text": "Jody: I think it is true that scientific support for polygenism is part of the cause of the Church relaxing her position on it, but it's not a case of \"dump[ing] what we believe.\" The Catholic faith maintains the propagation of original sin from Adam, and the most straightforward way to understand that is the traditional belief in monogenism. But that belief was never defined as a biological reality; there was simply no reason until recently to think that the biological reality might be otherwise, and so naturally no one thought otherwise. The evidence for polygenism from genetics is not conclusive, but it is suggestive, and the Church is willing to take that into account in her formulations.\nThe Galileo affair is helpful to think about.",
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"text": "[Continuation of the accidentally broken comment]: The main reason the Church didn't like Galileo's cockiness about the need to reinterpret Scripture is not that this cannot happen, but that his case was weak, and there was plenty of scientific evidence for geocentrism at the time (e.g. the lack of observed stellar parallax). But even Cardinal Bellarmine, who believed the scriptures to affirm the geocentric view, conceded that if a scientific demonstration of heliocentrism were discovered, Scripture would have to be read differently. Likewise, the Church should not drop the traditional monogenic understanding just because someone hypothesizes otherwise, but it may do so if the scientific case for polygenism becomes strong enough.",
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"text": "Reading Genesis is difficult with monogenesis. Cain founded the first city. City? with whom? his pregnant wife (about which we know nothing)? It becomes very difficult to understand.",
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"text": "But perhaps I'm not familiar enough with the monogenic understanding of how this came to pass.",
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"text": "I'll be honest, I don't see how a polygenic account can fit with the doctrine of original sin. Can somebody give me an account of what that would look like? Also, the fact that the Church hasn't condemned recent attempts at polygenic explanations doesn't mean a whole lot, since the Church doesn't really condemn anything (explicitly) anymore.",
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"text": "Sean, how do you read Chapter 4 of Genesis, considering Cain was \"building a city\" with whom?",
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"text": "How old is he said to have been?",
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"text": "Pretty sure we have no clue... It could be a teenage freak out or a century old mans battle",
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"text": "I know my non-Catholic friends who believe that Adam and Eve are the one and only first parents believed in intermarriage in the same family (brothers and sisters) which was permissible because of their pure blood lines. Larger families were possible as well if the women were healthier and lived longer.",
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"text": "And a 'city' -- that could just be a village. It is relative.",
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"text": "If there were three generations alive with an average family size of 10, there would have been 1000 people.",
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"text": "How do you explain the fact that 'with Adam, guilt/death entered the world' when clearly death had been around for quite some time before humans existed? It seems to me that St. Paul's claim must be understood as concerning spiritual life and death, or death just for humans.",
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"text": "That's actually a matter of dogma, at least for humans.",
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"text": "Right, but clearly things had been dying before Adam and Eve existed.",
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"text": "But that doesn't seem to me to be a problem with a creational account.",
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"text": "\"101 Can. 1. All the bishops established in the sacred synod of the Carthaginian Church have decided that whoever says that Adam, the first man, was made mortal, so that, whether he sinned or whether he did not sin, he would die in body, that is he would go out of the body not because of the merit of sin but by reason of the necessity of nature, * let him be anathema.\"",
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"text": "(denzinger 101)",
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"text": "...although that's not from an ecumenical council, so I don't no exactly what weight it bears.",
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"text": "That's fine. As long as we know that death necessarily entered the world before Adam, just not for humans.",
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"text": "I do think it's fine for animals to die before then",
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"text": "In fact, I think Thomas explicitly affirms it,",
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"text": "Furthermore, with ref. to the conversation above, it doesn't seem that there would be a problem with God forming humans gradually out of the earth over a long time (some kind of special evolution -- probably not macro-evolution) with perhaps a certain point at which a single humanoid (not-yet-humanly-rational) became capable of receiving a God-infused human rational soul. Of course all just speculation.",
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"text": "I do have a problem with God forming Eve out of Adam's rib -- men certainly aren't missing a rib.",
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"text": "Maybe just Adam?",
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"text": "But why? To show the connectedness of men and women? It just seems like a bad fairy tale.",
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"text": "\"Ad secundum dicendum quod quidam dicunt quod animalia quae nunc sunt ferocia et occidunt alia animalia, in statu illo fuissent mansueta non solum circa hominem, sed etiam circa alia animalia. Sed hoc est omnino irrationabile. Non enim per peccatum hominis natura animalium est mutata, ut quibus nunc naturale est comedere aliorum animalium carnes, tunc vixissent de herbis, sicut leones et falcones. Nec Glossa Bedae dicit, Gen. I, quod ligna et herbae datae sunt omnibus animalibus et avibus in cibum, sed quibusdam. Fuisset ergo naturalis discordia inter quaedam animalia. Nec tamen propter hoc subtraherentur dominio hominis; sicut nec nunc propter hoc subtrahuntur dominio Dei, cuius providentia hoc totum dispensatur. Et huius providentiae homo executor fuisset, ut etiam nunc apparet in animalibus domesticis, ministrantur enim falconibus domesticis per homines gallinae in cibum.\"",
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"text": "Basically that says \"certain people thought the animals didn't kill each other, but that is absurd\" it's from ST I.96.1 ad 2",
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"text": "I mean, I was working with people last year who believed the earth was formed in 7 calendar days, 3000 or whatever it was years ago. Nowhere in the bible does it say how many years ago creation occurred, and furthermore, it's not possible for the creation to have come about in 7 days as the sun was not even existing yet.",
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"text": "Thanks for the quote, Edward.",
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"text": "Yeah, I think the 6000 involved trying to add up all the ages in the Bible until you come to a known date.",
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"text": "I realize, but I wouldn't be surprised if years were even calculated differently in early history.",
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"text": "This is the problem with trying to read the bible as a scientific document.",
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"text": "I\u00aa q. 92 a. 3 co: \"Respondeo dicendum quod conveniens fuit mulierem formari de costa viri. Primo quidem, ad significandum quod inter virum et mulierem debet esse socialis coniunctio. Neque enim mulier debet dominari in virum, et ideo non est formata de capite. Neque debet a viro despici, tanquam serviliter subiecta, et ideo non est formata de pedibus. Secundo, propter sacramentum, quia de latere Christi dormientis in cruce fluxerunt sacramenta, idest sanguis et aqua, quibus est Ecclesia instituta.\"",
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"text": "Well I think there's excess in both ways wrt. the \"scientific document\" question.",
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"text": "Right, it's \"fitting\" but is it true? I don't know how we can know.",
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"text": "Well, I'm not sure if we have any access to the creation of Eve except through the Bible.",
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"text": "Right.",
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"text": "I like taking those early books as historically as seems reasonable and to generally give a historical reading the benefit of the doubt.",
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"text": "And I think a lot of the details are the kinds of particulars that science can't judge.",
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"text": "I think the idea of Eve being formed out of Adam",
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"text": "Actually I think it is beautiful too. But I still have problems with it, in the same way that I have problems with the creation in 7 calendar days question.",
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"text": "Well, just that it and everything in the creation story seems figurative (figurative in a sloppy sense, not an Augustinian sense) or poetic.",
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"text": "What's interesting about St. Thomas's treatment of the rib question is that he takes the reasons for Eve's formation from Adam's rib to be significative. Now, he is thinking that the event itself is a sign, since he has no reason to consider other possible historical events, but given what we now know, it could be the case that the historical event was otherwise but that Scripture uses this language to signify the same sorts of things that Thomas refers to, i.e. about the relationship between man and woman. This would also fit nicely with the description of Adam's formation, which as Ratzinger noted, does not tell us how man came to be but what man is.",
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"text": "Well, it may be figurative, but I don't know why it would be sloppy.",
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"text": "(no, I just mean that I was using the term 'figurative' sloppily)",
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"text": "Ah.",
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"text": "Not precisely as Sts. Augustine or Thomas would re: scripture.",
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"text": "So much of the story makes no sense unless NOT historical and NOT, even in itself, forgetting modern science.\nSerpent is never said to be Satan. Talking animals?!? So the serpent actually the craftiest of creatures? That seems obviously absurd and ridiculous taken literally.\nUnclear what fruit is. What is created and order during the days re light, etc., makes no literal sense.",
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"text": "And where is the angel with the flaming sword guarding the entrance in the Middle East?!?",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson is spot on here, I think. To speak of giving a historical reading the benefit of the doubt subtly assumes that a historical reading is somehow \"better\" or more appropriate to what the author was trying to accomplish. In fact, the human author wished to write theology, and the typical way of doing this at the time was to use language that to us postmoderns looks like myth (and the author also wished to contrast his text with myths like the Enuma Elish). We should take the text as historical, then, when the theology requires that it be historical. When it does not so require, to assume that it is historical is neither needed nor even necessarily better, since that was not the fundamental intent.",
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"text": "Yes! The sad thing is our bizarre, puritanical picking and choosing of literal in the account is probably not a mistake that the ancient Israelites would have made.",
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"text": "It is rather a misunderstanding of what Michael Bolin speaks of, skewed by the simplistic American Protestant reaction to modern science being used to attack fundamentalism.",
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"text": "Probably 20,000 comments ago I explained how the creation accounts could and should be described as myth.",
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"text": "I think it is clearly the genre of the accounts, as Matthew pointed out.",
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"text": "it being myth.",
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"text": "Because the word \"myth\" has taken on the connotation, at least for us, of something false, I would rather say \"the genre of the accounts is closer to myth than to any other extant genre.\"",
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"name": "Elliot Milco",
"text": "PBC disagrees with that classification.",
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"text": "The only quibble I would make is that the literal account is the myth-genre.",
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"text": "http://www.vatican.va/.../rc_con_cfaith_doc_19090630...\nDe charactere historico trium priorum capitum Geneseos - Pontificia Commissio Biblica\nI. Utrum varia systemata exegetica, quae ad excludendum sensum litteralem historicum trium priorum capitum libri Geneseos excogitata et scientiae fuco propugnata sunt, solido fundamento fulciantur?\nVATICAN.VA",
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"text": "Elliot, there is only a very small window of history where I really care about what the PBC says. I am familiar with the pertinent texts on the issue within that window, and I do not disagree with them. What are you talking about?",
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"text": "It's really impossible to take literally (in the modern sense of literal) when we have two separate accounts, which differ, of the creation of man",
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"text": "I think the term myth is so fitting a name, Michael Bolin, that I would rather use that term and explain what I meant, than do otherwise.",
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"text": "The thing is, many authorities take certain things such as the formation of Eve and the various ages in the beginning of Genesis and other such things to be just statements of fact. in such cases, I think it is prudent to read the text with those authorities as a historical statement whenever possible.",
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"text": "Not least, because of the virtue of docility.",
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"text": "Haha, Daniel, I'm sure I missed that conversation re: myth.",
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"text": "Well the term myth is scandalous. I should probably remove myself though, because I'm on a tablet and this topic requires faster typing.",
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"text": "I can't find the arrow?",
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"text": "At the very top, next to the words 'Thomas Aquinas College'.",
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"text": "And, I do think that it's better to hold the text of the Bible to be true in as many ways as possible: since the power of the Divine Word is to express much in little.",
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"text": "The 1909 PBC document is principally not a teaching document but a disciplinary one, intended to shut up the modernists who wished to teach that Scripture could contain errors. This is apparent from its highly tendentious language and questions that have the answer front-loaded, e.g. whether a doctrine \"defended by the pretense of science\" can be maintained.\nMoreover, the document needs to be read in light of the PBC's 1948 letter to Cardinal Suhard, which explicitly states that the 1909 text is not to be taken as a hindrance to pursuit of other understandings in light of ongoing scientific investigation.",
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"text": "(and that seems to be the clear teaching of Augustine's De Doctrina Christiana, and ST I.1)",
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"text": "Again, forget PBC, but as I say, the idea that the account holds up on its own in what most people today would call a purely literal sense is ridiculous, with or without modern science.\nAristotle had enough science to call out stories about talking animals, for Pete's sake, and anyone can see the inconsistencies and question literal veracity.\nWhere is the angel with the flaming sword in the middle east guarding the entrance?",
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"text": "Talking animals and obvious inconsistencies are scandalous, to my mind. An absurd literal account is scandalous.",
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"text": "There is a mean between \"talking animals\" and \"fictions written on an acid trip\"",
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"text": "No, the strawman exists in modern debates about such things in America over the last century. I can barely bear to hear those debates for more than five seconds.",
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"text": "The great lie here is that a literal (I use it as modern people use it) understanding makes sense. We import a simplistic and unquestioned \"literal meaning\" rather fast, and this interpretation is born of a reaction to the claims of modern science. But, again, on its own terms, the account of creation itself is mysterious and unclear, and begs for some work to be done to understand what the 'ell it means.",
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"text": "In the case of Genesis, the Word expresses \"much in little,\" for example the four causes of creation, largely in virtue of using non-historical language. Indeed, it seems probable that it would have failed as a text had God simply revealed a historical account of the origin of the cosmos. If someone had written a text stating that man was descended from lower animals, it would itself probably been understood as myth.",
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"text": "\"6 And God said, \u201cLet there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.\u201d 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault \u201csky.\u201d\"\nWhat? Does anyone here really think they understand what that \"literally\" even means?",
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"text": "Ah, just a simple, \"literal\" understanding will do. Olde Time religion. Hah.\nAnd do we think this is easily explainable:given that literal history? \nDay 2 :\nAnd God said, \u201cLet there be light,\u201d and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light \u201cday,\u201d and the darkness he called \u201cnight.\u201d And there was evening, and there was morning\u2014the first day.\nDay 4:\n14 And God said, \u201cLet there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.\u201d And it was so. 16 God made two great lights\u2014the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning\u2014the fourth day.",
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"text": "Calm down, Matthew J. Peterson.",
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"text": "There are very clear intra-textual clues that tell us not to interpret that text historically: starting with the different order of events presented in the second creation account.",
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"text": "The story of the Fall is nothing like that.",
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"text": "The best you can do is say that \"talking animals sound silly\" and \"what is this angel with a flaming sword?\" . . . but the former could easily be explained by either demonic possession or by some sort of demonic apparition.",
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"text": "I think there have probably always been pious simple folk who interpret the story simply as straightforward history--and there is nothing wrong with that to my mind. The problem is when the \"learned\" start doing so as well.",
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"text": "True, Edward, does not mean historically accurate.",
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"text": "Not denying that, Daniel Lendman",
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"text": "But, I think that if a historical interpretation is not explicitly contradicted either by internal evidence or manifest science, at the very least we shouldn't deny such an interpretation.",
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"text": "Also, Katie Duda, you haven't *really* defended until you've defended on tNET.",
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"text": "Also, I don't think the science is or can be settled about evolution the way the heliocentrism vs. geocentrism thing was: historical matters just are murky things that only admit so much clarity.",
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"text": "Talking animals do not \"sound silly\". They defy what we know by reason. And how do you know that the serpent is Satan? Why are you interpreting things so loosely? Hah. The craftiest of all the creatures? So snakes used to have reason before the fall?",
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"text": "We know the serpent is Satan because that's how the Fathers tell us to read that passage.",
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"text": "I'm going to write * my * dissertation on when and why Peterson says \"hah\" vs. \"heh\".",
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"text": "Which tells us something about how the passage ought to be read.",
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"text": "\"Talking animals do not \"sound silly\". They defy what we know by reason.\"\nSure, if it's just a question of animal nature. But, how are you going to prove that the devil didn't choose to appear as a serpent?",
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"text": "(and, as far as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil / Tree of Life goes, that's about as hard to believe as the necessity of Baptism is)",
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"text": "The inter-textual evidence that the story ought not be read as historical is found in the serpent \"talking.\"",
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"text": "Among other things.",
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"text": "Edward: There is a difficulty with the argument that it is prudent to stay with a historical-literal interpretation because so many earlier authorities held to it. The virtue of humility would encourage reasoning along these lines, \"Most theological authorities held an opinion different from mine, therefore my opinion is probably false, or at least I should be very cautious about it,\" *if* one had reason to think that those authorities were in just as good a position to judge as we are. But in fact they were not in such a position. For most of human history, no one had any significant scientific reason to think that the cosmos and man came to be via natural processes, and they even had reason to think that this was impossible. Given this background knowledge, it is much more reasonable to take the creation account as straightforwardly relating miraculous happenings. But there is no particular reason to think that, e.g., the Fathers would hold to that interpretation if they were living today.",
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"text": "Here is a fun theory about the first parentage of Adam and Eve for tNET's consideration: What if Adam and Eve were not prior to humanity in time, but only by causality? Philosophers these days (not our kind) love to posit possible worlds. In this theory, Adam and Eve existed in a different world than ours at the time when they committed the first sin, but their actions in that world were determinative of ours. So, the idea is, Adam and Eve sinned, and in so doing, determined the history of the world in which they later came to be, as well as affecting the course of that world going forward.",
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"text": "I'm not, Edward Langley. My point is that you do not read the passage without heavy interpretation. You do not read it literally in the modern sense. If you did, you would be far more aware of what you import into the story and you would care a bit more about what happened to that angel with the flaming sword that ought to be found in the middle east guarding a garden that God planted that ostensibly ought to still be there.",
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"text": "Yeah? Fun, right?",
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"text": "So, then we retain original sin and first parenthood without having to look for one historical first pair. There was a first pair, causally, but they might not have been first in time.",
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"text": "The way Facebook seems to update with some new comments but not all is exceedingly annoying. Another reason why folks should use Edward's website instead.",
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"text": "I am a little puzzled, Edward Langley, by why you would your position as strongly as you do. I think it would be a scandal, as Matthew suggests, to push a litero-hisorical reading as far as you are suggesting. Scandal in the sense of exposing Divine things to mockery.",
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"text": "I don't think I'm pushing it as strongly as you think I am, Daniel Lendman",
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"text": "Well, it seems to me that the text of Genesis itself provides certain clear signs about when it is being \"mythical\" and when it is being historical.",
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"text": "To rephrase that: Augustine and often shows a high degree of hesitation when it comes to denying an interpretation of the Bible: in fact Augustine probably gives half a dozen interpretation of the text in question.",
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"text": "On one level, Augustine would perhaps not rule out any interpretation of Scripture that is true, which is why he likes to put forth so many possibilities, but that is because the Holy Spirit can intend more than the human author. Not every true interpretation is part of what the human author intended.",
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"text": "It comes to the fore again and is scrutinized because, obviously, of recent discoveries that, even on a basic level, without quibbling over details, and even drawing far back from the over reach and claims of many people based on these discoveries, radically change our understanding of how nature operates and how the universe is.",
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"text": "To deny that these new insights into nature have any bearing on how we understand theology or philosophy is, I think, to cause great scandal and to live in an unreal world. To be sure, our insight into nature will always be changing, and will always be radically incomplete, but we cannot cordon that off from theology and philosophy.",
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"text": "To admit the above is NOT to be a MODERNIST, but to admit the integration that that was fundamental to the older philosophy and theology - to live by perennial principles.",
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"text": "yeah, and people blame Elizabeth for being suspicious of Catholics.",
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"text": "you are allying yourself with a tradition of judging women more harshly than men. that tradition has done terrible harm. the burden that that isn't evil is on you.",
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"text": "\"George Washington married Matha Curtis and in due time became the Father of Our Country. Then the Constitution of the United States was adopted to secure domestic hostility. Under the Constitution the people enjoyed the right to keep bare arms.\"",
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"text": "Sed contra - or not so latent sexism - what does the first TAC [s]exploitation film present us with:\nhttp://youtu.be/c0wyUr_2FyA\nA TAC Film - DORM After Hours\nWhat do girls do in their dorm after curfew? Film for the TAC (Freshmen) 2013 Spring Formal dance. Freshmen -...\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "\"The inhabitants of Egypt were called mummies. They lived in the Sarah Dessert and traveled by Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the inhabitants have to live elsewhere, so certain areas of the dessert are cultivated by irritation. The Egyptians built the Pyramids in the shape of a huge triangular cube. The Pyramids are a range of mountains between France and Spain.\"",
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"text": "Anyway, for being a sexist I married an incredibly strong woman who is better than me at everything that we both do, so thankfully she doesn't do all the things I do.",
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"text": "Daniel-- your choice of wife (or rather, her choice of you) is to your credit.",
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"text": "Now that Rebecca is here we should talk about why JPII is going to be declared a doctor of the church, but probably shouldn't be.",
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"text": "Weiss I have no idea what you've been discussing, but did recognize the Anguished English quotations, which bring joy to my life. I'm supposed to be making pizza. According to my Feminine Mystique.",
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"text": "Why did no one want to talk about my cool theory about Adam and Eve?",
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"text": "Feil Samantha Cohoe I'm doing \"stuff,\" too! School run! Errands! Why are you tagging me in? Am I suppose to feign shock and horror at something Joel HF has said?",
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"text": "No, no. Just wanted to keep you apprised, Catherine Joliat Feil.",
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"text": "one can never go back, only forward. I'm still trying to get Samantha to tell me she hates me again.",
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"text": "^For a certain value of \"bon-bon.\" What are bon-bons?",
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"text": "Pater Edmund-- google translate is failing me. English?",
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"text": "and here's the fun theory again, for those who missed it.Here is a fun theory about the first parentage of Adam and Eve for tNET's consideration: What if Adam and Eve were not prior to humanity in time, but only by causality? Philosophers these days (not our kind) love to posit possible worlds. In this theory, Adam and Eve existed in a different world than ours at the time when they committed the first sin, but their actions in that world were determinative of ours. So, the idea is, Adam and Eve sinned, and in so doing, determined the history of the world in which they later came to be, as well as affecting the course of that world going forward.So, then we retain original sin and first parenthood without having to look for one historical first pair. There was a first pair, causally, but they might not have been first in time.",
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"text": "Oh, I think I know this one. You say something stupid, she gets angry, you apologize. She says something stupid, you get angry, she gets angry, you apologize. Yes?",
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"text": "Respondeo dicendum quod contingit aliquid esse per se notum dupliciter, uno modo, secundum se et non quoad nos; alio modo, secundum se et quoad nos. Ex hoc enim aliqua propositio est per se nota, quod praedicatum includitur in ratione subiecti, ut homo est animal, nam animal est de ratione hominis. Si igitur notum sit omnibus de praedicato et de subiecto quid sit, propositio illa erit omnibus per se nota, sicut patet in primis demonstrationum principiis, quorum termini sunt quaedam communia quae nullus ignorat, ut ens et non ens, totum et pars, et similia. Si autem apud aliquos notum non sit de praedicato et subiecto quid sit, propositio quidem quantum in se est, erit per se nota, non tamen apud illos qui praedicatum et subiectum propositionis ignorant. Et ideo contingit, ut dicit Boetius in libro de hebdomadibus, quod quaedam sunt communes animi conceptiones et per se notae, apud sapientes tantum, ut incorporalia in loco non esse.",
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"text": "My son won. He is 6.",
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"text": "nope. it was at the insistence of Pater. He's the heresiarch. I'm just his first disciple.",
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"text": "I wish someone would try to bring up how Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.",
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"text": "He thinks Brady is better? But why?",
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"text": "Samantha I've done some sorrying. But like Daniel, never to TNET. TNET needs no reconciliation. It is unifying by nature.",
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"text": "Dumping random thoughts here to pad stats.\nChampions league commentators keep saying that a player is \"disinterested.\" I think they mean uninterested. A player in a game by definition has \"interest\" in the result of the game and cannot be \"disinterested.\"\n#confluenceofphilosophyandfootball",
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"text": "There is no need to bring up the obvious: Brady is the guy you want with two minutes to go in the superbowl, and anyone sensible would choose him over Manning in that situation. I'm no fan. I just report the facts.",
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"text": "And I was remarkably subdued when my prophetic utterances re the results of the last superbowl came to pass.",
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"text": "And as long as you aren't getting too close to other people's bodily fluids, you have no reason to fear Ebola, right?",
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"text": "They report it like it's the flu, but in reality this is transmitted by some serious bodily fluid action, right?",
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"text": "Matthew J. Peterson--when you made your \"prophetic utterance\" Denver was not favored to win it all. It had something like a 1 in 13 chance, iirc.",
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"text": "Does anyone else think it might be necessary to establish a support group for the spouses and significant others of TNET addicts?",
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"text": "Sheesh, my attempt at stirring the pot gets going when I am absent! I will post something later on my questions about Berquists definition (I purposely overstated the issue as bait) Unfortunately not enough time, but I will do a few hit and runs\n1. I have never heard of the 9 eves thing. Au contraire, by definition mitochondrial Eve is a single woman, with an unbroken line of descent. It has been shift before, just as Y chomosomal Adam has, when older lines of descent were discovered. But there are not \"9 Eves\" and the genetic science wouldn't be able to even make that claim, only the last of that 9 would be discoverable (as the other lines before her would be extinct and no one could say that there ever was a bottleneck)\nDaniel Lendman, you remember Fr. Dodd's class...or was that after you left...on Divine Action...my paper of on monogenism and evolutionary theory. In one word summation, those who claim science shows pologenism are idiots, who neither know the science nor the claims of theology.\n2. Langley's foray in speculation over the unprecedented decline in murder reminds me of TAC students doing things like trying to prove the 5th postulate...noble, but could benefit from being aware of the work already done (in my examples case the fact that such a proof has been proved impossible). The fact is, murder rates increased in certain countries with a decline birth rate and aging population with respect to the US. Whiie demographics play a role, that is neither a major factor nor the reason for the unprecedent 20 year deline nationwide in the crime rate. Once again I urge upon people Mueller's formula. log(homicide rate)= c1 +c2 *log(economic fatherhood) + c3*log(proportion of adult males, 18-45, in prison) + c4*log(chance of being executed)+c5*log (abortion rate lagged 16 years)\nThe first one(c2*log) is an indicator of the moral character of the times and has the most impact. c3 accounts for the incapacitation aspect (we have simply imprisoned a greater percentage of people than any other country...low crime through unjust sentences!) and some of the deterrent effect of punishment. c4 has the least effect, but measures deterrence from capital punishment. c5 has a positive correlation as an indicator of immoral character.\nNow, outside of murder, we do find more variation among crimes based on economic situation, age, socio-economic status. But the funny thing about that, such factors as age and status more greatly impact WHAT crimes will be committed, but not that crimes are committed. So different classes and groups may have similar violent crime rates, but distributed differently among different crimes (police,e.g., when one adjusts for the greater male proportion, have the same violent crime rate as everyone else, but distributed differently)\n3. While there may be certain similarities with myth, I am with Jehoshaphat Escalante about the historicity of Genesis. The tendency nowadays is to say \"the meaning is historical\" but notthe history of it, but that is exactly what is to be reject. Moses, e.g., could not be a type of Christ or the parting of the red sea a type of baptism, unless Moses actually existed and actually parted the Red Sea. The very real existence of the people and facts of the scriptures is a lynch pin of Catholic interpretation. Now that doesn't mean every word signifies properly (even Augustine held the 7 days thing to be describing distinction in creation rather than time), but it does mean it is history. I don't suspect Daniel Lendman would disagree with that, ultimately.\nAnd just so we are clear, we already hashed this out on TNET in August....I actually quote from a talk I gave on evolution/polygenism/original sin....it all returns...",
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"text": "Apropos of a few scattered comments over the last day or so, I do really like the principle of \"as above, so below.\" I think it makes a lot of lovely sense to consider the human being as a miniature representation of the cosmos, ordered as the cosmos is ordered and containing all the cosmos contains. Thus, much like an individual human being goes through many stages from birth to death, including a sort of \"waking up to itself,\" it makes sense to me to imagine that the biological prerequisite for the immortal soul of a human being might have taken time to develop before God breathed life into man.\nWe must believe that something different happened with Adam, whoever he was. It seems likely he had biological parents, but that God breathed something new into him and him alone, making him the first of his kind. And as a person grows and becomes, ideally, more and more aware of himself and what he is, so the dawn of humanity was the cosmos becoming able, through man, to consider itself and think on its creator, and praise all things He made. In other words, rationality : man :: man : cosmos.\nAnd the poet's duty, then, is to give voice to the voiceless things. A flower or a squirrel praises God by simply being the thing it is. The poet speaks for speechless nature.\nIf I just said anything heretical please do let me know.",
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"text": "Nothing heretical, even if there are difficulties (e.g. did a non-human nourish a human baby in the womb, and how would that be generation? or did a non-human animal get transformed into man, but that would, in other terms, be death for the animal and life for the man....). There are difficulties, of course, with saying man was created ex nihilo, and admitting the existence of contemporary hominids to. Not a simple subject",
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"text": "Adam was the first poet. He named the beasts. This may or not have something to do with why I am hostile towards certain writers of versified didacticism on the subject of animals, who promote their claptrap as poetry...",
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"text": "BTW, the most recent common ancestor may have been 5000 years ago...cough Noah...cough",
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"text": "You mean Utnapishtim right? ",
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"text": "By the way who on TNET has read the epic of Gilgamesh, and what is your favorite translation? Although it is not a direct translation by any means, I absolutely loved the verse narrative version by Herbert Mason. Magnificent.",
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"text": "Isak Benedict, you're starting to sound like someone with this talk of poetry and beasts and heresy... What if... What if tNET needed a peregrine? What if the plots of crappy video games were true!?!",
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"text": "Oh noes!!! You've become that which you sought to slay!",
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"text": "\"I am no theologian, but...\"",
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"text": "Pretty sure Scott would abhor my gnostic explanation of the cosmos as waking up to itself...",
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"text": "If you could be a bird, intrepid TNETers, what bird would you be? I would be a nuthatch.",
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"text": "MCRA probably not Noah though....I think you need the IAP for that.\nOne more hit and run before I run:\nBy woman death entered this world, and by her we all die. (Ecclesiaticus, somewhere)\nYep, women are more guilty of EVERYTHING. She gave us death....gee, thanks a lot women.\nhttp://www.newadvent.org/summa/3163.htm#article4\nArticle 4. Whether Adam's sin was more grievous than Eve's? - SUMMA THEOLOGICA: The first man's sin\nWas pride the first man's first sin? What the first man coveted by sinning. Was his sin more grievous than all other sins? Which sinned more grievously, the man or the woman?\nNEWADVENT.ORG",
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"text": "What's everybody's favorite opening question about the Odyssey? #gettingoutofthinkingformyselfviatNET",
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"text": "Actually, nevermind... the kinds of questions we would likely generate here might not be appropriate for tender young minds. ",
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"text": "I can't recall our opening question for the first reading, but I remember the Odyssey seminars with Mr. Cain as some of the best classes I had at TAC.",
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"text": "The first few lines of the Odyssey indicate that Odysseus seeks to save his soul (psukhe). Does he fail or succeed?",
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"text": "Trolling with Thomas, Mr. Kenz?",
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"text": "Isak, your comments above re: the cosmos make me think you might be interested in my senior thesis. It's not about evolution, but about the cosmos and its relationship to liturgy. If you'd like a copy, I would be interested in your take on it.",
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"text": "Isak-- I would be a bird of prey, like a hawk or something with really good eyesight.",
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"text": "Also, I just brought TNET back to its beginning, namely Class of 2014 theses. Do I win TNET?",
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"text": "You may have a gold star.",
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"text": "but only tNET wins tNET",
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"text": "and through tNET, the world",
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"text": "Sean - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkxB15nXRvM\nChris Rock - What you want, a cookie?!\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "And I would absolutely love to read it!",
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"text": "Did you just graduate with Mariclare ? She likes to write about the cosmos too.",
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"text": "I'm perplexed by Article 4, actually. It's more horrible than I expect Thomas to be usually.",
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"text": "Well, yes and no. Mrs. Cohoe\nSt. Thomas's response is fascinating, if you think about it. His first point, the way in which the man's sin is great, is manifestly true with respect to Adam's headship (as even Eve takes her origin from him- which raises another difficulty with the man was formed from hominid stock idea...I even heard once they were a bizarre form of identical twins, that the embryo split, but somehow she became a woman instead? )\nThe way the sins are equal is manifestly true as well",
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"text": "Haha, yep, we were in the same class. I think \"Cosmos\" or some variation of it is probably the most common word in our class's thesis titles. We all kind of had the problem of trying to write about life, the universe, and everything in one short paper.",
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"text": "What do you say, gang? TNET 100,000? Forward! Into the jaws of death!",
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"text": "Sean, that is a universal TAC thesis problem",
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"text": "Heh heh heh, true story.",
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"text": "Not mine! \"Like Patience on a Monument: Absolute Love in William Shakespeare's Twelfth Night.\"",
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"text": "I was up to date 7 hours ago and I just read the 3 hour old stuff. Did we ever decide if 9 Eves was ok or not? And 9 Adams for that matter?",
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"text": "There is hot dispute about that, with one side saying very vague stuff, and the other saying definitely not ok.",
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"text": "Can it please be 7, not 9? \"Seven Eves for Seven Adams\"",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz, I don't understand Thomas's first point.",
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"text": "Samantha you would dig my thesis. The women of Twelfth Night are wonderful.",
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"text": "The three ways he says woman's sin was greater. We can agree on the 2nd way, right? Namely, she did lead Adam into sin. The first way is fascinating to me, because of what it implies about the tree and God's command of it. It is not clear to me how Adam didn't believe it, yet still wanted to be like to God through his own power.\nThe third way is the perplexing one, but I suppose the gist of it, while to love any creature before God is a sin, Eve, as it were loved herself before God, but Adam, in consenting, was motivated by love of another? Yet we ought to love our proper good more than the proper good of another. Only God, Christ in His humanity and perhaps Mary inasmuch as she is mediatrix ought to be loved more than one's own good (within the same order). \nI suppose one could argue that 1. If Adam wasn't duped, his sin was worse in that respect 2. Because of his headship, it belonged all the more for him to lead toward God rather than follow toward sin. 3. In being motivated to sin out of a \"friendly will\" he was in some sense even more attached to creatures. And thus turn Aquinas' arguments on their head",
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"text": "Adam was the head of humanity, from whom even Eve took her origin, and hence was more perfect than Eve. Note Aquinas speaks of their condition, not the perfection of their sex or nature. Indeed, God's command in given to Adam, Eve is derived from Adam... Adam is in some ways given more by God, and thus sins more grieviously",
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"text": "It seems to me, even if we accept the 3 ways the women sins more grievously as true. They are aggravating factors of her sin, yes. But Adam's sin was still worse in the primary way. I think here Aquinas is doing his best not to gainsay what is commonly held here.",
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"text": "What do you make of the sed contra though? Woman plainly gets the worse punishment in the text of Genesis.",
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"text": "Isak-- I love 12th Night.",
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"text": "Joel-- I don't think that's obvious.",
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"text": "Then I don't care what anyone says about you, Samantha, you're good peoples. ",
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"text": "Jody Haaf Garneau, have you read JPII's address on this, in which he reaffirms Humani generis?\nhttp://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp961022.htm\nIn his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.....\n....It is by virtue of his eternal soul that the whole person, including his body, possesses such great dignity. Pius XII underlined the essential point: if the origin of the human body comes through living matter which existed previously, the spiritual soul is created directly by God (\"animas enim a Deo immediate creari catholica fides non retimere iubet\"). (Humani Generis)\nAs a result, the theories of evolution which, because of the philosophies which inspire them, regard the spirit either as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a simple epiphenomenon of that matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. They are therefore unable to serve as the basis for the dignity of the human person.....\nWith man, we find ourselves facing a different ontological order\u2014an ontological leap, we could say. But in posing such a great ontological discontinuity, are we not breaking up the physical continuity which seems to be the main line of research about evolution in the fields of physics and chemistry? An appreciation for the different methods used in different fields of scholarship allows us to bring together two points of view which at first might seem irreconcilable. The sciences of observation describe and measure, with ever greater precision, the many manifestations of life, and write them down along the time-line. The moment of passage into the spiritual realm is not something that can be observed in this way.\nPope John Paul II 22 October 1996 To Pontifical Academy of Sciences\nIt is with great pleasure that I send my cordial greetings to you, Mr. President, and to all of you who constitute the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, on the occasion of your plenary assembly. I send my particular best wishes to the new members of the Academy, who come to take part in your work for\u2026\nEWTN.COM",
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"text": "Thanks, Isak.",
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"text": "Presuming that man's body was a product of evolution, then the question of mitochondrial Eve or Y chromosomal Adam, while interesting, don't necessarily speak anything to the origin of human persons",
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"text": "Mr. Kenz-- just for a start, what is this supposed greater perfection of condition supposed to consist in?",
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"text": "I thought I already said that? He was the head of all humanity, even Eve takes her origin from him, and in scripture we see God giving Him the commandment in question. He also acts as head.",
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"text": "So, what does it consist in? How is it manifested? Greater authority?",
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"text": "Joel HF, Aquinas conceives as the punishment of women as threefold. Weariness in pregnancy, pain in child-birth, and being subjected to her husband (some many women disadain nowadays but it is there). He explains the subjection as not placing the man as head, for he already was, but in subjecting woman to her husband, by obeying him even when against her own will.\nAnd this is worse punishment",
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"text": "Yes, the husband is the head of the wife. Furthermore, if Eve had sinned and not Adam, mankind would not have fallen. But if Adam sinned and not Eve, mankind would have fallen",
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"text": "Though more recent popes have said that it is moral to try to alleviate the effects of the Fall, i.e. anaesthetic in childbirth, etc.",
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"text": "I don't follow his first argument for the woman's sin being greater--though i hazily recall Augustine and other fathers also speaking in a similar way w/r/t Adam's knowledge. Been a while since i read the beginning of Genesis, though.",
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"text": "I don't understand the dominion of the ruling over as a punishment just for women. Disorder of the relationship between husband and wife is punishment for both.",
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"text": "And in marriage, any punishment the wife suffers is also a punishment of the husband, as our beloved Leo Tolstoy pointed out in his diaries.",
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"text": "How Hegelian.",
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"text": "So, yes, I am highly aware of the punishment of pain in pregnancy and childbirth, but so is my husband. And he is certainly suffers more by the figurative sweat of his brow than I do.",
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"text": "Not this year, of course, since he got that sweet grant, but usually.",
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"text": "And, saying Adam has \"headship\" is a claim that is intelligible to me. Saying that he had \"a more perfect condition\" is not.",
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"text": "St. Paul also seems to think that Eve sinned worse in 1 Tim 3. And the husband having to toil by the sweat of his brow is also a punishment for the wife, insofar as he is gone or is tired or just plain can't help as much. Honestly, though, how much is riding on who sinned worse?",
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"text": "I think the punishment of pain is bs.",
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"text": "The only thing that fell is man's state of grace. The physical world is the same.",
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"text": "All the pain exists no matter what it is just part of the fable to say that it is punishment.",
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"text": "So what are the 'certain fixed points' that JPII refers to in that article?",
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"text": "Remember if rationality exists everything else that goes with it exists with or without sanctifying grace.",
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"text": "So, Brian leiter is drawing what seems like well deserved heat",
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"text": "Samantha, would it be possible that two men committed the same sin, but because of circumstance, fault was mitigated in one of them?",
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"text": "https://sites.google.com/site/septemberstatement/\nStatement\nProfessor Jenkins has been targeted by Professor Brian Leiter (University of Chicago) with derogatory and intimidating remarks privately by email in July, and recently with further derogatory remarks publicly on Twitter.\nSITES.GOOGLE.COM",
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"text": "http://legalinsurrection.com/.../brian-leiter-supporter.../\nBrian Leiter, supporter of Steven Salaita, embroiled in his own civility controversy\nU. Illinois at Urbana-Champaign may have lucked out...\nLEGALINSURRECTION.COM",
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"text": "BBq night!",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Jeff, could you ship some BBQ to D.C.?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "Anyone here planning to attend the ACPA conference coming up in D.C.?",
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"text": "winding...down....",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "(Or have spice [mouse : mice :: ] attending?)",
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"text": "the heat is definitely well-deserved.Best case scenario, Leiter is done, but the Philosophical Gourmet Report continues under better leadership.",
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"text": "Michael, sure. I wasn't trying to deny that blame can be mitigated by circumstances.",
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"text": "I've got about five minutes. Come at me, bros.",
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"text": "Woman shouldn't wear pants. Discuss.",
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"text": "Heeheehee",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "I only wear pants and short skirts. Which is worse?",
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"text": "Obviously pants, since short skirts are only more evil by degree. Pants, being a difference in kind from skirts of any length, are PERVERSIONS of feminine nature.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "The new Inherent Vice trailer looks cool, but PT Anderson sucks. Discuss.",
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"text": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9FUgJCZkc...\nEpirotiko Mirologi\n-uploaded in HD at http://www.TunesToTube.com\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "What if the pants have flowers on them?",
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"text": "MEN SHOULD ONLY WEAR KILTS",
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"text": "Oh well then that would be okay",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Wait you really don't like PTA?",
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"text": "hahaha no. I recognize the excellence of certain aspects of his artistry",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "still think I'm good peoples?",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "Yep Shakespeare provides the strongest ties",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "12th Night is my favorite of the Comedies.",
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"text": "Though Much Ado is close",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I notice you didn't say Taming of the Shrew ",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "CAUSE IT ISN'T FUNNY",
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"name_length": 14,
"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "kidding, kidding",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "but it's not. Peace out, tNET. Caleb's cutting me off.",
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"name": "Isak Benedict",
"text": "I just got to play Malvolio this past April ",
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"text": "May I recommend that Caleb attend a quick meeting at the TNET Addict Spouses' Support Group? Down the hall to the left!",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz writes: \"Those who claim science shows pologenism are idiots, who neither know the science nor the claims of theology.\"\nPerhaps then you could enlighten me as to how to correctly interpret the data that these \"idiots\" believe to show polygenism? Thank you in advance.",
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"text": "These beers are about to be had on my patio by Joshua Kenz and myself.\nMaybe I should ask him this question.",
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"text": "Wow TNETers hanging out in real life - I think my mind never really registered that likelihood.",
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"name": "Brian Kemple",
"text": "That's a nice lookin' patio.",
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"name": "Matthew J. Peterson",
"text": "Rented - a good deal we are lucky to get. But, yes, behind me is a stone bar with an outdoor fridge.\nAnd all tNETers have an open invite.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Matthew J. Peterson, let josh know that I think he's Long winded, but I miss disagreeing with him. (Unblock me please. I'm only a jerk on the surface)",
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"text": "To Peterson's house!",
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"text": "Edward Langley, where are you in DC? I have spent more then my fair share there and I'm in regular contact with good people in the area.",
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"text": "Jeff Neill, Hyattsville (basically 3 miles from CUA/National Basilica)",
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"text": "Jeff Neill: are you all in the OC? Why haven't we all got together?!?",
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"name": "Edward Langley",
"text": "*y'all",
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"text": "You could have let me know this Matthew J. Peterson, when I lived local but now I'm in Seattle.",
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"text": "I'm a Texan by adoption but not by birth.",
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"text": "Jeff Neill: who are you blocked by?",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz",
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"text": "No idea. But we don't monetize tNET. No, tNET monetizes us.",
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"text": "No, no, Michael Beitia. We regulate financial interests.\nhttp://www.usatoday.com/.../delamaide-goldman.../16483611/\nDelamaide: Goldman tapes expose Fed weakness\nSecretly-made tape recordings of Fed bank examiners...\nUSATODAY.COM",
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"text": "You don't trust our aristocratic masters?",
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"text": "sed contra:\nthe demos at work:\nhttp://womenarewatching.org/.../lena-dunham-5-reasons-why...\nLena Dunham: 5 Reasons Why I Vote (and You Should Too)\nFinally, an online list that\u2019s useful. It\u2019s not about...\nWOMENAREWATCHING.ORG",
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"text": ".\n1. Create tNET.\n2. ????\n3. Profit!",
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"text": "No.. You got it wrong. On all three libertarians are against the common good.",
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"text": "Are you saying that's all that keeps mega-corporations going??",
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"text": "Beitia, I'm going to the store, want to ride shotgun?",
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"text": "so do you know of any businesses that are indemnified from accountability?",
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"text": "MeanwhiIe, Matthew J. Peterson was outIining the causes we have in common.",
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"text": "Do peopIe have a naturaI right to medicaI care?",
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"text": "because that's what natural rights \"naturally\" leads to",
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"text": "Ashman, what are your thoughts on Mexican politics?",
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"text": "What is the status in Baja California?",
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"text": "I think he's convinced me guys. let's start a private tNET army and declare ourselves sovereign! who's with me!?",
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"text": "does the army have a hierarchy?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "does it have full dental?",
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"text": "we'll have to find a dentist to join. and it is hierarchical. me>everybody else",
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"text": "but I'll respect your natural rights.",
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"text": "I'm (mostly) a pacifist. I don't object to non-violent resistance however.",
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"text": "Help Help I'm being repressed!",
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"text": "I resist the TNET standing army non-violently.",
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"text": "nononono.... you can still join. we'll have OTHERS do the violence for us",
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"text": "but how else will our natural rights be protected unless we cabalize?",
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"text": "Listening to this is like an anarchical interpretation of Ansalm's that-than-which-nothing-greater-can-be-thought: \"natural rights\" are naturally just because I cannot think of a world where natural rights are unjust. I'm getting a headache, or maybe that's my hangover, hang on while I get some scotch...",
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"text": "Didn't someone suggest communitarianism a few thousand posts back?",
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"text": "Transformers Jeff. I have a hotline to Optimus Prime",
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"text": "Libertarian communitarian quasi-democratic anarchism sounds good to me.",
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"text": "Is Ayn Rand libertarian?",
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"name": "Michael Beitia",
"text": "didn't you already join my political party 20000 comments ago? You and Joel?",
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"text": "No, she's too authoritarian.",
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"text": "(Actually I've never read anything by her...)",
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"text": "^^Yes, Michael.",
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"text": "But I'm objecting to your standing armies.",
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"text": "I blocked Ashland long ago. Otherwise I wouldn't have money enough for the scotch I'd need.",
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"text": "You would enjoy Atlas Shrugged until it takes a death spirAl of \"the world is better without compassion\" and it gets into a 100 page monologue spelling out the philosophy.",
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"text": "^Intolerance. (@Ruplinger)",
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"text": "it's telling that the \"love\" scene in the \"Fountainhead\" is a rape scene....",
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"text": "'No compassion' is certainly not libertarianism. You don't become inhuman just because you're libertarian.",
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"name": "Elliot Milco",
"text": "How about...\n Gandhi ",
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"polarity": 128,
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"text": "But I have two friends and you are alone.",
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"text": "I think a basic tenet of libertarianism is do no harm (most extreme scenario -- don't murder).",
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"text": "Or maybe that's just part of being human.",
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"text": "conscientious objectors vs. standing army. Whom should I join?",
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"text": "Who says that's what libertarianism means? Do no harm also means that you can't let your neighbor die from neglect either.",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "http://www.nytimes.com/.../the-revelations-of-marilynne...\nThe Revelations of Marilynne Robinson\nIn her fourth novel, \u201cLila,\u201d the author returns to the mythical town of Gilead \u2014 and her exploration of the sacredness...\nNYTIMES.COM|BY WYATT MASON",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "^^^This is very exciting!!",
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"name": "Samantha Cohoe",
"text": "Pater Edmund, did you see this profile?",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "do no harm and do nothing are close.",
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"polarity": 121,
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "Do no harm is also a tenet of the medical profession. That doesn't mean they don't bother healing. Human action is a given.",
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"name": "Jeff Neill",
"text": "Yes, but inaction is easier.",
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"text": "Do as much as possible and do not stop helping under penalty of law.",
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"text": "There's a great little piece by Belloc on usury. He argues by anecdote like Bastiat and shows that they are cads. Too bad I can't do links.",
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"text": "Once a qualified medical professional starts cpr they are not allowed to stop until relieved by higher rank.",
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"name": "Catherine Ryland",
"text": "\"Do as much as possible and do not stop helping under penalty of law.\" What does this mean?",
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"text": "yes, but the kind of government depends on the society.",
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"text": "Correct.",
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"text": "Feil Samantha Cohoe Aren't you the tiniest bit afraid that this new MR novel will be over-mining this particular storyline? (To put it clumsily.)",
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"text": "But just the tiniest bit. I have great faith in Marilynne.",
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"text": "What do you mean? Of the relationship between John Ames and Lila?",
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"text": "From the T.S. Eliot journal above: \u201cDo you wear pants! If so wear Never Rip, fine for hobos! Bulldogs cannot tear them.\u201d",
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"text": "no, it places him in the role of Madison, mitigating all of our faction",
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"text": "Feil Ugh. The book isn't even out yet and there's already 51 holds at the library (on the seven copies they've ordered). Well, thanks for reminding me, so I can be hold #52.",
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"text": "and minor deity through compassion allowing existence, and able to bring the end of times without warning.",
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"text": "You're not going to buy it??",
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"text": "Feil Um...I'm cheap and I might not like it?",
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"text": "Feil (It *is* a little confusing with all these conversations going on at once. But naptime is apparently over, so I'm bowing out.)",
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"text": "why do you pick on me, Michael? :::weeps:::",
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"text": "The one thing that peopIe truIy have in common, and therefore makes it the onIy truIy common good is the concept of naturaI rights. We aII want the right Iife, to defense, to pursue happiness, to have our privacy, to retain our property and fruits of our Iabor, to have our beIiefs, to speak freeIy, to act freeIy, to assembIe, etc, etc, etc. Once you go beyond this, you end in faction. The Constitution, as weII thought out as it couId possibIy be for the time, caused faction because it aIIowed for additionaI infringements of rights, but passed because it contained [Iong faiIed] protections for others. \nThomas Jefferson was phiIosophicaIIy Iibertarian, as were many others in varying degree. Jesus was as weII, IMO. I never saw anything about force or coercion in his teachings, that seemed to be aII added Iater. So, if you hate Iibertarians, don't forget to hate Jesus.",
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"text": "Please don't talk about Jesus, Ashman. You betray your ignorance and make me angry.",
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"text": "no it doesn't that's the point of thermodynamics. Google \"heat death\"",
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"text": "From one of Ashman's links:\"(p. 19) There is a universal tendency for all systems to go from order to disorder, as stated in the Second Law, and this tendency can only be arrested and reversed under very special circumstances. We have already seen, in Chapter I, that disorder can never produce order through any kind of random process. There must be present some form of code or program, to direct the ordering process, and this code must contain at least as much \"information\" as is needed to provide this direction. \nFurthermore, there must be present some kind of mechanism for converting the environmental energy into the energy required to produce the higher organization of the system involved. ... \nThus, any system that experiences even a temporary growth in order and complexity must not only be \"open\" to the sun's energy but must also contain a \"program\" to direct the growth and a \"mechanism\" to energize the growth.\"\nExtrapolating that to the universe, how do you get out of the necessity for an unmoved-mover? A scientific theory is worthless in this discussion because there is too much room for speculation. Hence the need for philosophy.",
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"text": "Mr. Joshua Kenz I'm making dinner, but since you're here you should know I've decided that by \"more perfect condition\" you and Thomas just meant \"greater authority\" and that therefore we don't really disagree.",
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"text": "Michael-- because you yelled at my socialist minimum income suggestion.",
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"text": "Didn't. Dropped out to have babies. Would have been 08.",
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"text": "So, more thoughts on O\u2019Connor and whether she has contempt for all her characters. Now, the milieu she writes about * is * largely contemptible, b/c it is a milieu of philistines and cretins. But she doesn\u2019t have contempt for her all her characters nor are they all contemptible. Rather than go through each story, here are three broad \u201ctypes\u201d of non-contemptible characters:\n1. The Innocents. These character aren\u2019t\u2019 contemptible at all, though they often reach heart-wracking ends. But so do the heroes in Greek tragedies. E.g.: The boy in \u201cThe River\u201d; the boy, Norton, in \u201cThe Lame Shall Enter First\u201d\n2. Sinners with open eyes. These are men who realize that the world is\nblind and terrible and awful, but have \u201csigned up with evil\u201d as Elliott might say. E.g.: The Misfit and Rufus Johnson, the juvenile delinquent from \u201cThe Lame shall Enter First\u201d\n3. The third category belongs to those who are seeking salvation. This overlaps largely with innocents, but here it is people who\u2019ve been on the wrong track, realize that the world is wrong, and attempt somehow to reform themselves by taking a stand. The problem for them is generally\nthat while they know something must be done, they have little idea of what that something is, and their grand actions and plans (tattoos, pouring quicklime in their eyes) generally gang awry. E.g.: Motes\n(?) from Wise Blood and Parker from Parker\u2019s Back.\nN.B. These categories aren\u2019t entirely static and some characters overlap.\nThe world and backdrop of O\u2019Connor\u2019s work is bleak and harsh, though often laugh out loud funny as well. I dispute the claim that she holds all her characters in contempt. Some of them, yes, but not all by any means.",
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"text": "Jody: If I've learned anything in 27,000 comments, it's that nothing is off topic.\nThe passages from the Catechism speak to the reality of an original sin that we all inherit from our first parents. Since the Church does not currently have another theory other than the traditional one about who the first parents were or how that sin is propagated, she continues to use the language of that traditional theory to describe it. The point that I have been maintaining is that although the existence and propagation of original sin is dogmatic, the exact nature of the first parents and the exact nature of the propagation has yet to be fully defined. Many people want to have everything clear-cut and to feel that they have everything all figured out, but that's not the way revelation works.\nMr. Kenz rightly points out that, strictly speaking, science cannot undermine monogenism because science in the modern sense does not speak to the reality of substantial form; i.e., a collection of hominids that biologists might consider the first parents of the human race might not all be human in the strict philosophical sense. What scientific investigation might do, however, is show (probabilistically to be sure, but possibly also beyond reasonable doubt) that the current human race is descended from a breeding pool that never dropped below a certain number (e.g. 500), that might be much greater than 2, since before humans were around. This would imply either polygenism or that human beings interbred with non-human animals at some point. Many people, unsurprisingly, find this distasteful or philosophically impossible. The former it is, but given human nature it is also intrinsically probable. The latter objection is indicative of a failure to understand the nature of substantial generation.",
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"text": "Scotus has a really interesting instrument against an infinity of per se causes (I might get the details wrong, though):\nThe prior per se cause is a more perfect cause then the posterior cause.\nThus, if there were an infinity of per se causes, there would be an infinite cause (i.e. a cause greater than an infinity of causes; given because we're postulating an actual infinity).\nAn infinite cause doesn't depend on another.\nA cause that doesn't depend on another is a first cause.\nThus, if there were an infinite number of causes, there would be a first cause.\nBut an infinite number of causes lacks a first, therefore it is impossible.\nQED",
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"text": "Michael Beitia: Yes, the same evidence, to the extent that it is conclusive, would exclude a breeding pool as small as Noah's family as well. Having said that, there is already plenty of reason to think that there was never a global flood such as that described in the Noah story.\nEdward: The difficulty is not merely that one man would need to have a large number of offspring. It's that there are many more alleles than can exist in two human genomes as we know them. Of course, if we posit miraculous intervention anything is possible, but God performs miracles for the sake of producing faith, not because nature isn't up to the job.\nJoshua: As I noted, science can (in principle, without giving a judgment as to the current state) in fact show *either* that the human population was always greater than 2 or that bestiality occurred. And if by generation you mean sexual reproduction, it is not true that we know that original sin is propagated in this way; that is to go beyond what the sources of revelation tell us.",
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"text": "As far as Adam and Eve go, if God intended there to be more than two humans (which seem necessary to say, else why create a sexual being) and if genetic diversity is a good, absolutely speaking and furthermore, necessary for the well-being of the human race, then it seems that one could argue that the non-rational hominid theory is impossible because it would require that God would will an evil (bestiality) as necessary for the good of the human race.\nAnd pre- vs. post- lapsarianism wouldn't seem to matter because, on the hypothesis of no Fall, genetic diversity would still be a good that could not be achieved from two first parents reproducing in the normal way.",
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"text": "It seems that it is appropriate for Adam + Eve to have unusual reproductive characteristics precisely because they are the parents of the whole race: it might not even be a miracle, strictly speaking, but something more like a grace attaching to a particular office.",
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"text": "If we do not see it occur in the modern physical world it is safe to assume it didn't occur then either. \nGod doesn't need to work through miracles when he has all the time in his creation available.",
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"text": "Michael Bolin --- how can one thing (i.e.: first parents; original couple) be stated so clearly in the catechism only for you to call it an analogy? It is one thing to say that a story in scripture isn't literal (but even I hesitate to run to that as a first course of action) but to say that the catechism is speaking symbolically seems to be more extreme.",
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"text": "not to mention that the \"long-standing traditional interpretation of the first couple\" is vital for maintaining the truth of pretty much all of Christianity.",
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"text": "And I like the CCC quotes for the particular priest I am addressing from Monday night's class -- because he doesn't like Thomistic-speak. Only JPII sources (and CCC must be one of them.)",
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"text": "St Paul seems to be the source quote for the CCC quotations (from the footnotes).",
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"text": "oh. right.",
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"text": "promulgated sometime around 1990 . . .",
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"text": "You'd just prove his point about TACers and doctrine",
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"text": "He seems not to have noticed that. Keeps calling me a model of Catholic motherhood and so forth",
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"text": "Can we do a study on Samantha?",
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"text": "bah ha! (wait\u2026 maybe you are!)",
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"text": "That's just when he's apologizing for calling me other things... but still.",
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"text": "He apologized?",
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"text": "Cite the article where he did that",
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"text": "Not really, he just denied saying some insulting stuff that he definitely said, and then said some other untrue stuff about me being a model of Catholic womanhood to smooth things over.",
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"text": "Dear Perescott.",
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"text": "Elliot Milco, when did you graduate?",
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"text": "...from Yale.",
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"text": "Do you know Samuel Baker? (oh gosh I hope Sam doesn't follow this tag)",
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"text": "I don't think I knew him. I graduated from the College in 2011.",
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"text": "yeah, no overlap. He did just convert to Catholicism, though.",
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"text": "the traitor. (whom I love)",
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"text": "I'll let y'all get back to Genesis now. I have to read Lilith for book club.",
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"text": "Sammie, the book of genesis is a bit like the book of revelation.... We really don't know what is literal or how it is literal.",
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"text": "but..... at the same time Jeff, it is a point of dogma that original sin is transmitted from Adam. (but like you said, how this is to be, we don't know - yet)",
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"text": "But the safe bet is to start with the world around us and study how it exists, how we exist and learn from the signs left in and on the earth of what happened before history.",
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"text": "^^^fittingness argument",
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"text": "Jeff, that's why I've always maintained that the study of math and science could be a holy project.",
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"text": "I dislike the idea that theology necessitates canceling science.",
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"text": "Fair enough. I don't think anyone wants to cancel science.",
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"text": "I agree wholeheartedly.\nIt's one of the reasons the big bang theory was first postulated by a Catholic religious and endorsed as theologically sound by a pope",
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"text": "Jeff, I don't think anyone here is advocating \"cancelling science\".",
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"text": "Didn't Scotegrine deny evolution? Or rather, belief in evolution was one of his accusations against TAC.",
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"text": "But science, properly speaking, doesn't tell us about singulars except insofar as they come under a universal.",
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"text": "Jeffie, where is Paul? I sincerely hope he is with you. And anyone who denies evolution... ",
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"text": "Edward, science, in the modern sense, is the inductive process by which the \"unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics\" is proved again and again",
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"text": "Elliot, do you agree that modern scientific inquiry into the world around us is a more accurate rendition of reality than a few chapters in genesis?",
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"text": "I know people who deny evolution on account of a literal interpretation of Genesis who are not idiots.",
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"text": "There's a lot to reply to here, so I will select the most significant points.\nFirst, to Edward: God's intention of various created goods is always hypothetical, since God need not create anything at all. And there are many goods that he wills that imply the existence of evil, though in no case does it imply that God wills evil as such, only that he wills goods which cannot be unless certain evils also are. This is neither impossible nor even strange, but true in the case of every evil whatsoever. Every time a sin is committed, there is some good willed by God that would not come to be unless the sin were committed, which is why God permits the moral evil as such. The classic example is of course the redemption, which could not be without the fall (hence the felix culpa).\nRegarding Adam and Eve, there are two things to note. The first is that if they possessed reproductive cells that were not produced by the normal process, this would surely be a miracle in any usual sense of the term, just as their possession of the preternatural gifts was. The claim that \"creation is already supernatural\" is only pertinent if you assume in advance that Adam and Eve were created ex nihilo. The creation ex nihilo or divine modification of one's reproductive cells, which are physical entities in their own right, is not a minor adjustment but a miracle.\nThe creation of the human soul ex nihilo, on the other hand, is not miraculous but fully in accord with nature, even though it is produced by God. The first activities of matter are from God because nature only acts in virtue of the divine causality, and that appropriately formed matter should be a substance of the appropriate kind, and therefore possess the corresponding substantial form, is a first activity of matter and therefore as natural as anything can be.\nThe second point is that even this postulated miracle would not fully explain the observed data, since it would not explain why the additional alleles found in Adam and Eve's reproductive cells so closely parallel those found in the animal species most closely related to man, whereas this fact is perfectly explained by those alleles originating in a population that was a common ancestor of man and these other animals.\nThird, why would it be a virtue of an account that it would not imply that early men interbred with non-human animals? That, along with every other sin, is precisely the kind of thing that fallen human beings do. Likewise, upholding the traditional interpretation is a merit when all other things are equal, but if the contrary evidence is sufficiently strong it is no longer an advantage, since we should not hold positions that reason makes untenable.\nSamantha: First, to engage seriously with the Genesis account does not mean to read it as signifying what it was not written to signify, or to assume that we know in precisely what way it pertains to history. And to interpret Genesis correctly we need to engage seriously with the modern scientific account. Second, Christianity's account depends on original sin being found in all, not on the details of its origin or propagation.\nJody: Exactly, the Catechism uses St. Paul's language. This does not imply any specific interpretation of that language. The Catechism is presenting the doctrine, not developing it, and so it uses the language appropriate to the current state of understanding of the doctrine. This does not require any special intention on the part of the authors of the Catechism to speak figuratively, but only to use the language of Scripture.",
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"text": "Because the Scripture is the inspired Word of God, so whatever it says, when understood properly, must be said to be true.",
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"text": "But by definition I defined them as such.",
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"text": "That is true, Samantha, but they are ignorant.",
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"text": "Woah, Michael Bolin, that was a text dump of Kenzian proportions",
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"text": "So, whatever the right interpretation of Genesis is, it will be a \"good picture of reality\".",
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"text": "Ignorant of evolutionary biology, probably. But then, so am I, and so are most of us.",
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"text": "Michael Bolin, I agree with your paragraph addressed to me, except this part -- \"Second, Christianity's account depends on original sin being found in all, not on the details of its origin or propagation.\"",
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"text": "Michael Bolin, my argument was that God didn't create fallen man, so as created, there had to be a way for man to achieve the good of genetic diversity that didn't involve sin: either that, or deny that it such diversity is part of the human race as such and only good for it under a certain hypothesis.",
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"text": "^This is very strong, it seems to me, one Redeemer, one first parent.",
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"text": "\"The second point is that even this postulated miracle would not fully explain the observed data, since it would not explain why the additional alleles found in Adam and Eve's reproductive cells so closely parallel those found in the animal species most closely related to man, whereas this fact is perfectly explained by those alleles originating in a population that was a common ancestor of man and these other animals.\"\nThis is irrelevant: there is certainly a very limited range of DNA sequences that are required if we are to have the proximate matter of a human. Any DNA sequence in that range will be a DNA sequence that \"matches species closely related to man\". Especially if the body of Adam were formed via evolution.",
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"text": "Edward: From the very beginning God intended an end for man, namely union with him in the community of the blessed (the *specific* community that will ultimately be) that implied sin. The Incarnation was not Plan B but the plan all along.",
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"text": "I want to say that the actual elect God knows by foreknowledge but not necessarily that he wills that community, simpliciter, because that would seem to involve him willing evil. But I can't yet see how to formulate my view in a satisfactory way.",
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"text": "Most of us have read it at least once, Jeff.",
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"text": "I actually wrote my dissertation on that topic (God's causality and sin). But linking that might be too Pater Edmund-esque.",
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"text": "A life of believing one thing to be changed late in life is always challenging.",
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"text": "FULL CIRCLE",
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"text": "\"Any DNA sequence in that range will be a DNA sequence that 'matches species closely related to man'. Especially if the body of Adam were formed via evolution.\"\nNo, this isn't correct. The claim here isn't about the general genetic similarities but about specific alleles that need not exist at all. For instance, the human race would exist just fine even if the specific allele for blood type B weren't found in any human being, or in any of the related animals. And the formation of Adam's body via evolution wouldn't help if we're talking specifically about the hypothesis that Adam and Eve had reproductive cells not formed in the natural manner, containing genetic information that was not found in their somatic cells. So there is no necessity that the genetic information in question exist at all, much less that it match up in man and the other primates. And I have never seen an explanation for this fact other than 1) polygenism, 2) interbreeding, 3) pure chance (usually with no sense of how improbable this would be, or 4) God just made it that way and we can't understand why. Needless to say, I find the latter two highly implausible.",
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"text": "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zLx_JtcQVI\nThe Lion King - The Circle Of Life (HD)\nA song from Disney's The Lion King.\nYOUTUBE.COM",
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"text": "Sorry, trolling. I'll stop.",
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"text": "In general, there seems to be here an unwarranted distrust of the scientific method and the scientific community, and a corresponding belief that revelation possesses a degree of clarity and precision that exceeds what it actually possesses, whereby revelation is a kind of secret esoteric gnosis that frees us from the hard work and often humbling task of discovering the details of our world and race's history by painstaking investigation of material reality. But science does have much to teach us about these things, and even about philosophical questions like the generation of substance. I think we should take more seriously what St. John Paul II said about this: \"I am more and more convinced that scientific truth, which is itself a participation in divine Truth, can help philosophy and theology to understand ever more fully the human person and God\u2019s Revelation about man, a Revelation that is completed and perfected in Jesus Christ.\"",
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"text": "Bolin, exactly. Well said.",
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"text": "Michael, that may be true of some here, it's not my intent at all.",
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"text": "In regards to Ashman. Let us realize this mans father was a Marxist. I don't wonder why he has the views he does. Altered, sure. But he is the complete opposite of Marxism.",
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"text": "As said before, ultimately I want to have an account of the sense of the text ad litteram in Augustine's sense that can be said to be true. Additionally, I worry about scientistic presuppositions clouding the view of the text. I am open to a significant portion of the text being figurative . . . Thing is, the official position of the church still seems to be that all descended from Adam (+ probably Eve) and, unless one has special qualification, it's good to accept such a teaching as true.\nIn evidence of this is everything from the Canons of Trent to the condemnation of Teilhard de Chardin to Humani Generis, not to mention the complete lack of a non-reproductive account of the transmission of original sin.",
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"text": "(If it makes any sense, my position is all put \"sine praeiudicio meliori sententiae\", as Albert would se)",
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"text": "Just wondering -- would it be enough to have 1 original pair created directly by God (Adam & Eve) and they sin. Then any other new humans created directly by God (Adam 2.0 and Eve 2.0) are now also fallen account of the original sin but not through human generation but because the material is flawed in the fallen world? That would get you one original sin (which is more important than 1 original pair).",
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"text": "Just as Mary's preparation for the incarnation through the Immaculate Conception preserved her to be free from sin even in her matter. (The converse)",
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"text": "I put that out there, but I really incline more toward a literal interpretation of Genesis. I'd rather be found wanting on account of my child-like simplicity than incorrect by means of my proud intellect when I come before the Throne of God.",
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"text": "I understand your desire for childlike ignorance, but when given the education / tools to understand more fully you no longer get the ignorance claim.",
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"text": "Are y'all familiar with the character of Holofernes in Love's Labors Lost? Just wondering. ",
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"text": "The whole bible is not like genesis. From the eArly 300's a.d. It was stated that the bible is mix of literal and figurative language and genesis is on the figurative side. Just as Christ taught in parables. (Strawman stories)",
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"text": "I won't object to the statement that monogenism is the better opinion at this point in time, all things considered. I only object to claiming that it is established dogma, or to decking it out with additional speculative hypotheses (supernatural genetics, etc.) that are designed to force the empirical data into conforming to one's preferred account. I think it would be better simply to say that perhaps we don't know how to comfortably fit the two together, which is a perfectly respectable opinion (although I do think the interbreeding hypothesis is eminently probable).\nJody: I like the \"flawed material\" aspect of the hypothesis, though again I think it's perfectly fine to just say that we don't know everything (or rather we don't know very much at all) about the details of the historical origins of man. As for the other issue, I think the temptation to pride can go both ways--I know people (and was in a similar camp myself for a long time) who object to evolution on the grounds that God wouldn't want the Church to learn anything from unbelievers.",
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"text": "John Ashman: The Catholic position is that everything asserted in Scripture is true. When Catholics (at least those on this forum) speak of Genesis not being necessarily literal, they do not mean that it asserts things that are not true, but that in order to determine what it asserts, one needs to read it according to its genre, which is close to that of ancient myth. Myth here does not mean false stories, but a way of telling stories that may be true.\nThis does not mean that other parts of Scripture are in the same genre. Luke, for instance, tells us quite plainly what his genre is, namely that of Greco-Roman history. And so his gospel is to be read accordingly, i.e. as generally historical, but not claiming that quotations are verbatim or that the order is precisely chronological, etc.",
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"text": "^According to what objective measure are you making that claim?",
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"text": "http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/.../thomas-aquinas-henry...",
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"text": "I suspect the bit at the end about the catholic academics who were bashing Neo-Scholastic Thomis may well have been TAC tutors.",
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"text": "I'm not sure where Michael Bolin's claim that we are anti-scientific on tNET came from. It seems to me that the order of knowing in any account of Genesis is different from the order of knowing in genetics. I haven't seen a young earther, a geocentrist, or anyone arguing for crystalline spheres yet....",
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"text": "fine. no one come entertain me. I guess I'll just pretend to \"work\" without tNET.",
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"text": "Jody seems to be on the anti-science side desiring literal interpretation and claiming ignorance, to avoid a proud intellect. \nHowever these views and teachings will not help convert the modern agnostic (self proclaimed atheist) since they all like to claim literal interpretation is denying what we already know about the world.",
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"text": "especially when one considers the \"unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics in science\"\nIt is why people like NTdG drive me crazy. They say that science is science and philosophy is useless, but they can't account for their method, nor the reason why their method should be so effective.",
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"text": "Lol... He belongs at a TED talk. \nWhere everything is explained s l o w l y w I t h A d o u b l e. S e r v I n g o f w o n d e r W H O A !!! B I G I D E A",
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"text": "http://vimeo.com/96957388\nBorromini's San Carlo alle Quattro Fontane\nVIMEO.COM|BY CAMERONWU",
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"text": "What do we \"know\". We must distinguish between theories that are in need of constant revision and the repeatable observations that are the evidence of such. That and what the real role of mathematics is both in the theories and in making observations. I see a lot of confusion here.",
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"text": "Mathematics is just a game. You set up the rules and play. It's not real.",
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"text": "To quote Mad Molly G. \"Numbers are just lines, what else do you want them to be? Birdies? The feathers get in the way!\"",
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"text": "If reality is a concept of the mind, then lines are concepts of the mind, yes. Which makes them real. If reality is not a concept of the mind, then lines are not concepts of the mind either, but that which stops everything from oozing into everything else. Which still makes them real. Lines are real. Lines are real.",
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"text": "How so? I'm not a hexagon. It's just a nominal description of a thing that I've invented in my mind.",
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"text": "But they are idiots. Young earthing is stupid",
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"text": "*slain*",
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"text": "Isak I don't think you understand the difference between existence and nominal existence.",
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"text": "If nominal existence made things \"really real\" then unicorns are really real.",
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"text": "Ever watch/ read one of those \"the layers in the strata were made during Noah's flood arguments?",
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"text": "Jeff. I was talking about my rug.",
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"text": "It tied the room together.",
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"text": "let's all get Platonic and shit",
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"text": "So, you aren't really interested in discussing the reality of mathematicals?",
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"text": "What about the reality of transfinite numbers?",
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"text": "Of course I understand the difference between nominal existence and existence. Why are you being a prick, Erik?",
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"text": "woah, a Cantor sighting!",
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"text": "Nope. I totally do that. But I am a sinner.",
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"text": "Michael Bolin-- Nobody here has defended YEC, specifically, I don't think. I'm not saying that a certain kind of anti-science mindset among a certain subset of Christians isn't damaging. I'm saying, there are reasons other than idiocy that people want to take Genesis more much literally than you seem to advocate. Also, there is a big difference between arguing against an idea, as you have been doing, and dismissing all the people who hold that idea, as others (cough cough Jeffie) were.",
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"text": "\"21 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.\n22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.\n23 And the ass saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.\n24 But the angel of the Lord stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.\n25 And when the ass saw the angel of the Lord, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.\n26 And the angel of the Lord went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.\n27 And when the ass saw the angel of the Lord, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.\n28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?\n29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.\n30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.\n31 Then the Lord opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.\n32 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:\n33 And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.\n34 And Balaam said unto the angel of the Lord, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again.\n35 And the angel of the Lord said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shalt speak. So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.\"",
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"text": "Jehoshaphat Escalante: of course they are invoked as historical. But no one here would deny that.",
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"text": "True, Jehoshaphat. But that doesn't mean that they thought about the way history should be written the way we do.",
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"text": "Jeff said: \"Jody seems to be on the anti-science side desiring literal interpretation and claiming ignorance, to avoid a proud intellect. \nHowever these views and teachings will not help convert the modern agnostic (self proclaimed atheist) since they all like to claim literal interpretation is denying what we already know about the world.\"\nI am far from anti-science. And I believe above all that there is one truth -- divine and scientific. They will not turn out to contradict. But I trust the divine truth is able to be known with more certainty (infallibility of the Catholic Church). \nMy real conclusion about science is that it doesn't always 'know' what it claims to know but people are quick to claim it as absolute. There are a lot of holes in the evolutionary theory (note the word 'theory'). It may be able to explain the mechanics of the process, but it doesn't even do that well! (Where are the other newly emerging humans who aren't born of human parents? why did this process stop? How does it account for the ontological leap?) Science can be found to be circular and support itself based on false assumptions (e.g.: proving the age of things by carbon dating can be wrong based on the assumptions made initially). \nAlthough the Church says we MAY consider the mechanics of evolution as a possibility -- it has NOT said that we MUST accept them. How quickly and recently we have gone from being a Church who believed above all in being created by God to now condemning the faithful who say they believe in the story of Genesis. How did that happen?",
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"text": "So, Jehoshaphat, if someone where trying to narrate a history about something that transcends normal human experience, what would they say? How would they write?",
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"text": "But in any event, this is quibbling about words. The examples from the NT brought up have no bearing on what anyone has brought up thus far. No would deny the meaning is historical. \nBut if Genesis is simply a historical account, it's a pretty crappy one.",
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"text": "How is this to be understood, if not historical?\n\"3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.\n6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.\n9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.\n12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.\n15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.\n18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.\n21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.\n25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.\n28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, \u201cHe will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.\u201d 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.\n32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.\"",
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"text": "Well, is the \"transcendence\" by way of by an object which exceeds our minds, or by way of being unusual for our experience?",
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"text": "Which then, by definition, would be more than history simply speaking, Edward Langley.",
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"text": "What is the mythical significance of the genealogy of everyone between Adam and Noah?",
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"text": "But on that account, explain to me what the hell this literal history means when it plainly contradicts itself in multiple ways? Or do you acknowledge that it plainly does so as regards the various accounts of light created before the sun?\nWhat does it mean that the waters are separated to make way for the heavens before there is land?",
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"text": "Explain what this means. EVERYONE on tNET, TELL ME WHAT THIS MEANS. LITERALLY AND HISTORICALLY:\n6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.\n7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.\n8 And God called the firmament Heaven.\nTHERE IS NO LAND YET. THAT IS STILL TO COME.",
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"text": "Of course, my objection isn't modern: although our science does increasingly make the questions more obvious.\nBut anyone with a brain would have both objections or questions concerning the issue of the two lights and the water and land for thousands of years, unless they read it in a different way than the modern sense of \"literal\" and \"historical\" would have us read it.",
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"text": "It's just begging the question to presume that it refers the the light of the body we call the sun: the Big Bang, for example, probably created a whole ton of light.",
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"text": "Otherwise, doesn't Augustine say that the first light was the creation of the Angels?",
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"text": "The point is that the text itself is not a clear literal history, and you are helping me make it.",
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"text": "Anyways, I've already made the point you're making: there are two accounts of creation. In one, man is first; in the other, man is last. Obviously, they both can't be temporal accounts. That doesn't cast doubt on the Fall, an event that only has one account in the text.",
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"text": "Unless you want to say that it casts doubt on the whole of Genesis (or the whole of whatver part was written by your favorite nameless scribe).",
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"text": "\"Above all, this text [Genesis 1] has a religious and theological importance. It doesn't contain significant elements from the point of view of the natural sciences. Research on the origin and development of the individual species in nature does not find in this description any definitive norm or positive contributions of substantial interest. Indeed, the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about the creation of the visible world, as presented in the Book of Genesis.\" -- John Paul II, General Audience, January 29, 1986",
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"text": "We actually do get a dogma from that initial account, though, \"In principio . . . \" seems to clearly indicate that there was a beginning of time.",
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"text": "\"At the Easter Vigil, the journey along the paths of sacred Scripture begins with the account of creation. This is the liturgy\u2019s way of telling us that the creation story is itself a prophecy. It is not information about the external processes by which the cosmos and man himself came into being. The Fathers of the Church were well aware of this. They did not interpret the story as an account of the process of the origins of things, but rather as a pointer towards the essential, towards the true beginning and end of our being.\" -- Benedict XVI, Homily at the Easter Vigil, 2011",
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"text": "Daniel Lendman, my point was it doesn't cast doubt on the Fall as related.",
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"text": "The shepherds of the Faith have been going on in this vein for some decades now. Are we going to listen to them?",
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"text": "In fact, I suppose it would strengthen the case that the Fall as related were historical: to be clear that at least one account of creation wasn't historical, the Bible has a second account with a different order. However, there is not a second account of the Fall, so the Bible would seem to intend that as a history.\n(obviously this doesn't prove with necessity, but I think it's fairly strong dialectically)",
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"text": "...therefore the fall is literal account? How was that a logical conclusion?",
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"text": "As I said, it's not necessary: but, the Bible just went out of the way to make sure we don't take something as historical, so it would be odd for the very next thing to be non-obviously non-historical.",
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"text": "\"The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.\" CCC 390\nSo, (1) a real sin was committed by our first parents, which really affects the whole human race, and (2) the language is figurative, so it probably isn't safe to make assumptions such as that a talking serpent was involved.",
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"text": "Matthew's tactic so far has been to ridicule modern-literalistic accounts of Genesis 1, accounts which no one has been holding, in order to cast doubt on the Fall story. My argument is intended to undercut that by pointing out that the text itself gives us a strong reason to doubt such modern-literalistic accounts of Creation.",
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"text": ". . . without a corresponding reason to doubt the Fall story.",
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"text": "What does it mean to doubt the Fall story? Is considering the serpent to be a literary image doubting the story?",
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"text": "By the way, thanks to everyone for a fascinating discussion.",
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"text": "I would ask then, if the account of a serpent talking to Eve is non-figurative, what part of the story is figurative?",
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"text": "We might be arguing past each other, to some degree, because I'm intentionally avoiding commitment to a particular interpretation of the story: all I'm arguing is that we don't have sufficient evidence to know that it is non-historical.",
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"text": "So is the CCC's assertion that figurative language is used just speculation, then?",
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"text": "And why is it a problem to suggest that a tale about a talking snake who is the craftiest of all creatures isn't even taken purely literally or historically by pre-moderns? They all say it's Satan. Not in the text.\nSo if this is pure and literal history, it means what it says. The talking snake is the craftiest. And all this Satan stuff is imported nonsense. MODERNISM.\nMy point is that even if there were a talking snake, the \"possessed by the devil\" bit isn't in the story itself. Never mind these various accounts.\nSo it's poor literal history if that's the intent, even if it is literal history. The intent, historical or not, is not to relay mere history in literal fashion, it seems to me.",
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"text": "Here's Ratzinger (In the Beginning): \"The second movement involves the image of the serpent, which is taken from the Eastern fertility cults. These fertility religions were severe temptations for Israel for centuries, tempting it to abandon the covenant and to enter into the religious milieu of the time. Through the fertility cults the serpent speaks to the human being: Do not cling to this distant God, who has nothing to offer you. Do not cling to this covenant, which is so alien to you and which imposes so many restrictions on you. Plunge into the current of life, into its delirium and its ecstasy, and thus you will be able to partake of the reality of life and of its immortality. . . . It is with Israel's temptation in mind that Holy Scripture portrays Adam's temptation and, in general, the nature of temptation and sin in every age.\"",
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"text": "(And Daniel Lendman, we started calling you Big Angry again when you told someone that you would punch him if he continued his brand of trolling and that you were good at punching...)",
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"text": "Pater Edmund: \"Stuff that actually happened\" is a decent account, but doesn't seem to me to answer many of the questions at hand. \"The serpent deceived Eve\" could be a thing that \"actually happened\" whether there was a talking snake or whether we read it as Ratzinger did.",
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"text": "It seems to me that there is a pretty strong reason to incline to there being some sensible experience associated with the Fall, though: important events relating to man's salvation always seem to be bound to sensible signs: whether circumcision, the Sacraments . . . even the rainbow, if that's the correct interpretation of that passage.",
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"text": "And it is extremely fitting for that to be so: sin involves an act of the will, will requires knowledge and our knowledge begins with the senses. So it would be most fitting for the very first sin to have a particular sensible experience as its principle.",
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"text": "Here's another interesting thing from Ratzinger's In the Beginning:\n\"In the Genesis story that we are considering, still a further characteristic of sin is described. Sin is not spoken of in general as an abstract possibility but as a deed, as the sin of a particular person, Adam, who stands at the origin of humankind and with whom the history of sin begins. The account tells us that sin begets sin, and that therefore all the sins of history are interlinked. Theology refers to this state of affairs by the certainly misleading and imprecise term 'original sin.' What does this mean? Nothing seems to us today to be stranger or, indeed, more absurd than to insist upon original sin, since, according to our way of thinking, guilt can only be something very personal, and since God does not run a concentration camp, in which one\u2019s relative are imprisoned, because he is a liberating God of love, who calls each one by name. What does original sin mean, then, when we interpret it correctly?\n\"Finding an answer to this requires nothing less than trying to understand the human person better. It must once again be stressed that no human being is closed in upon himself or herself and that no one can live of or for himself or herself alone. We receive our life not only at the moment of birth but every day from without--from others who are not ourselves but who nonetheless somehow pertain to us. Human beings have their selves not only in themselves but also outside of themselves: they live in those whom they love and in those who love them and to whom they are 'present.' Human beings are relational, and they possess their lives--themselves--only by way of relationship. I alone am not myself, but only in and with you am I myself. To be truly a human being means to be related in love, to be of and for. But sin means the damaging or the destruction of relationality. Sin is a rejection of relationality because it wants to make the human being a god. Sin is loss of relationship, disturbance of relationship, and therefore it is not restricted to the individual. When I destroy a relationship, then this event--sin--touches the other person involved in the relationship. Consequently sin is always an offense that touches others, that alters the world and damages it. To the extent that this is true, when the network of human relationships is damaged from the very beginning, then every human being enters into a world that is marked by relational damage. At the very moment that a person begins human existence, which is a good, he or she is confronted by a sin-damaged world. Each of us enters into a situation in which relationality has been hurt. Consequently each person is, from the very start, damaged in relationships and does not engage in them as he or she ought. Sin pursues the human being, and he or she capitulates to it.\"",
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"text": "^ exactly. Where rejecting a definite act that is the original sin leads. Benedict became considerably more traditional as pope. He held some iffy opinions earlier.",
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"text": "Yes, I suppose one can always play the \"Sure, but Ratzinger used to be a [material] heretic before becoming pope\" card.",
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"text": "John, I don't think you read that the same way I did.",
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"text": "can we have a conversation evolve farther than Genesis? \nDogma: Original sin is inherited from Adam\nnext.",
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"text": "This is astonishing! This thread has been going for almost two months! Bravo, Mr. Peterson, you must have very interesting friends (or a lot of trolls).",
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"text": "Let's talk about Jonah: was he real or not?",
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"text": "Pater, I believe the \"trolling\" that provoked that response involved a man insulting a woman in crass and vulgar fashion. Being the sexist that I am,I think that it is wrong to insult anyone, but it is especially wrong to insult women, especially in the way that was done. I would have punched, and I would have been just in doing so.",
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"text": "I want to know if he really was swallowed",
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"text": "as historical. and miraculous vis-a-vis the whale",
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"text": "It seems clear that the 3 days in the whale are used to understand the time our Lord spent in the tomb. But God can make real (if miraculous) events prefigure his future plans",
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"text": "Also have you heard about how all of the plagues have scientific explanations?",
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"text": "thankfully, no.",
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"text": "the incarnation is such a well documented event, from Roman Historians, Josephus, and the evangelists. and that is clearly an example of God \"inrupting\" into the history of men",
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"text": "^ maybe. I just wasn't there. And I do waaaay too much thinking for myself or Caleb would likely say. @ Beitia.",
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"text": "That would make sense except for tNET shares in the divine, Isak Benedict - in that it never ends. So we cannot liken it to pus",
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"text": "'Gods don't make mistakes! Although, I sometimes think it would be nice to be able to carry a tune.' There's your Obscure Reference Of The Day.",
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"text": "\"'You have to live with your mind your whole life.\u2019 You build your mind, so make it into something you want to live with. Nobody has ever said anything more valuable to me.\u201d",
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"text": "Just played this for my son (16mos), and it enthralled him:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh6WZOgBHQg\nDmitri Hvorostovsky - Iago's \"Credo\"\nGiuseppe Verdi: Otello Iago's aria Credo in un dio crudel Moscow, December 16, 2008\nYOUTUBE.COM\nOctober 2 at 7:22pm \u00b7 Like \u00b7 2 \u00b7 Remove Preview\nEdward Langley (I think it was probably the faces)",
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"text": "according to he soul's order to matter.",
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"text": "Or what \"order to\" may mean.",
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"text": "16mos?!? Just call him 1, until he turns 2",
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"text": "I've never quite understood where people draw the line, In my experience, up until 18mos, people go with months and sometime around then they switch to years.",
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"text": "To much precision.",
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"text": "I dunno, one month is quite a high fraction of his life . . .",
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"text": "Generally folks go by months until somewhere between 13 months (at the culmination of the extrauterine spring) and 18 months (because it is weird to say 19 months or 20 months) at which point they say \"almost two.\"",
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"text": "I only give my childrens' ages precisely in days. lazy jerks",
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"text": "Not hours? What a half-assed father",
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"text": "seconds, but only if the company has\n#childagegnosis",
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"text": "I intend to be so scrupulous about giving the precise ages of my children that I can never actually do it, because halfway through the words coming out of my mouth they will have already grown older.",
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"text": "I measure my childs age in 1/28ths of the lunar cycle.",
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"text": "\"inside there's a clock that you win if you can guess its age\"",
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"text": "my children as a fraction of the total age of the universe, measured in Planck time.",
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"text": "In terms of the time it takes for the universe to double in volume.",
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"text": "I give my childrens' ages only in terms of the half-life of carbon 14",
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"text": "Ha, C-14 isn't the primum mobile.",
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"text": "that is how I tell their height, Isak, and their weight in stones",
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"text": "(actually, little bit of trivia, I think Lee Smolin suggested that the expansion of the universe could be used for the definition of absolute time)",
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"text": "Serious physicist, rediscovering primum mobile.",
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"text": "if I'm dealing with the rabble, the ages are in fortnights.",
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"text": "I have that book, Edward, as you know, and thought the same thing.",
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"text": "I don't have the book . . . but one of my professors sent gave me a scan of part of it.",
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"text": "alright alright enough silliness, time for an evening constitutional with the better half.....",
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"text": "Don't make TNET jealous.",
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"text": "28,185. 3^10 to go.",
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"text": "Has tNET read Lilith? It's weird, right?",
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"text": "Mental lapse, carry on!",
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"text": "George MacD's? I've started it.",
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"text": "Oh, wait, it's night. Literature for day. I'll come back tomorrow.",
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"text": "No spoilers, don't worry.",
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"text": "Wait, so you aren't reading it Joel HF?",
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"text": "Lilith? No not at the moment. I thought you were referring to something else.",
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"text": "what? Lila?",
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"text": "I've got to finish this Tolstoy biography still.",
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"text": "That's it. Can't wait for that.",
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"text": "October 7th! Mine's pre-ordered!",
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"text": "Let us be very clear, since I have seen enough bullshit that should send Catholics of yesteryear to tears.\nGenesis is not \"figurative\" as opposed to \"literal\" That is not even how those terms are used in Catholic theology. The literal sense is either proper or improper, i.e. metaphorical\nWe are all agreed that metaphors are often used in scripture, such as, e.g., in descriptions of God being angry, etc\nThe Church has taught, repeatedly, that the literal sense of Genesis is historical, which means that while metaphor may be included here and there (God getting angry/repenting over Sodom), it does properly refer to real persons, events and deeds, even if not with scientifically precise ways, I do not deny Daniel Lendman's point hat things like the order in which events are portrayed may differ. Sure they can. And is the serpent an actual snake Satan has possessed, or is it a metaphor for the person of Satan tempting the very real Eve in the garden? Could be either.\nBut could the garden be a metaphor for this, and Adam and Eve a metaphor of a larger group, and the fall a metaphor of something else...no. That is heretical. I reject that with the Church. \nBolin wants to claim that in principle science can contradict the faith. I want to claim science in principle cannot even show whether polygenism or monogenism is true with regard to truly human parents. John Paul II said as much as well. But we are a threat, apparently, to young souls. If science could prove it, in principle, it would prove monogenism. This is no different than arguing whether science can show the world had a beginning in time. If you argue there is a possibility of it showing the world eternal, well you are the enemy of young souls then.\nI severely dislike calling any of the real history a myth. But I understand Daniel Lendman is not opposing myth to true history. So bracket that. at what point does holding that Genesis relays real history get turned into \"history means anything that conveys some truth\" rather than acttual history?\"\nFor a bunch of people who claim to be followers of St. Thomas, I am shocked. The very historicity of the persons and evens is central to his understanding of scripture, to the point that even where there is legitimate debate (e.g. whether Job was a real person) Aquinas always sides with granting scripture to be a true historical account, unless it can be proved otherwise. Even while adopting aspects of Augustines treatment of the 7 days, he still prefers a distinction of 7 actual days e.g.,. \nHeck, the way scripture relates things I extremely important. Holy Innocents? Aquinas rejects a theory on how they are martyrs, that would make his answer easier and readily consonant with his views in general, squarely because scripture doesn't speak that way. I frankly find some of what is insinuated here to be pernicious in the etreme",
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"text": "And for the sake of our Christendom brethren and their love of symbolic theology, some binding \"in conscience\" decisions of Holy Mother the Church.\nDubium I.: Utrum varia systemata exegetica, quae ad excludendum sensum litteralem historicum trium priorum capitum libri Geneseos excogitata et scientiae fuco propugnata sunt, solido fundamento fulciantur? Resp.: Negative.\nDubium II.: Utrum, non obstantibus indole et forma historica libri Geneseos, peculiari trium priorum capitum inter se et cum sequentibus capitibus nexu, multiplici testimonio Scripturarum tum Veteris tum Novi Testamenti, unanimi fere sanctorum Patrum sententia ac traditionali sensu, quem, ab Israelitico etiam populo transmissum, semper tenuit Ecclesia, doceri possit: praedicta tria capita Geneseos continere non rerum vere gestarum narrationes, quae scilicet obiectivae realitati et historicae veritati respondeant; sed vel fabulosa ex veterum populorum mythologiis et cosmogoniis deprompta et ab auctore sacro, expurgato quovis polytheismi errore, doctrinae monotheisticae accomodata; vel allegorias et symbola, fundamento obiectivae realitatis destituta, sub historiae specie ad religiosas et philosophicas veritates inculcandas proposita, vel tandem legendas ex parte historicas et ex parte fictitias ad animorum instructionem et aedificationem libere compositas? Resp.: Negative ad utramque partem.\nDubium III.: Utrum speciatim sensus litteralis historicus vocari in dubium possit, ubi agitur de factis in eisdem capitibus enarratis, quae christianae religionis fundamenta attingunt: uti sunt, inter cetera, rerum universarum creatio a Deo facta in initio temporis; peculiaris creatio hominis ; formatio primae mulieris ex primo homine; generis humani unitas, originalis protoparentum felicitas in statu iustitiae, integritatis et immortalitatis, praeceptum a Deo homini datum ad eius obedientiam probandam; divini praecepti, diabolo sub serpentis specie suasore, transgressio; protoparentum deiectio ab illo primaevo innocentiae statu; nec non Reparatoris futuri promissio? Resp.: Negative.\nDubium IV.: Utrum in interpretandis illis horum capitum locis, quos Patres et Doctores diverso modo intellexerunt, quin certi quippiam definitique tradiderint, liceat salvo Ecclesiae iudicio servataque fidei analogia, eam, quam quisque prudenter probaverit, sequi tuerique sententiam? Resp.: Affirmative.\nDubium V.: Utrum omnia et singula, verba videlicet et phrases, quae in praedictis capitibus occurrunt, semper et necessario accipienda sint sensu proprio, ita ut ab eo discedere numquam liceat, etiam cum locutiones ipsae manifesto appareant improprie, seu metaphorice vel anthropomorphice usurpatae, et sensum proprium vel ratio tenere prohibeat vel necessitas cogat dimittere? Resp.: Negative.\nDubium VI.: Utrum, praesupposito litterali et historico sensu, nonnullorum locorum eorundem capitum interpretatio allegorica et prophetica, praefulgente sanctorum Patrum et Ecclesiae ipsius exemplo, adhiberi sapienter et utiliter possit? Resp.: Affirmative.\nDubium VII.: Utrum, cum in conscribendo primo Geneseos capite non fuerit sacri auctoris mens intimam adspectabilium rerum constitutionem ordinemque creationis completum scientifico more docere, sed potius suae genti tradere notitiam popularem, prout communis sermo per ea ferebat tempora, sensibus et captui hominum accommodatam, sit in horum interpretatione adamussim semperque investiganda scientifici sermonis proprietas? Resp.: Negative.\nDubium VIII.: Utrum in illa sex dierum denominatione atque distinctione, de quibus in Geneseos capite primo, sumi possit vox Y\u00f4m (dies) sive sensu proprio pro die naturali, sive sensu improprio pro quodam temporis spatio, deque huiusmodi quaestione libere inter exegetas disceptare liceat? Resp.: Affirmative.\nThere goes it being myth (Pontifical Biblical Commission, when it was still magisterial June 30, 1909) Similar answer about the \"first eleven chapters\"",
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"text": "Well. I think I have to digest what just happened. And translate some Latin.",
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"text": "Latin text dumps are the best.",
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"text": "I will post the English later. For John Boyer\nWhen, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.\nCum vero de alia coniecturali opinione agitur, videlicet de polygenismo, quem vocant, tum Ecclesiae filii eiusmodi libertate minime fruuntur. Non enim christifideles eam sententiam amplecti possunt, quam qui retinent asseverant vel post Adam hisce in terris veros homines exstitisse, qui non ab eodem prouti omnium protoparente, naturali generatione originem duxerint, vel Adam significare multitudinem quamdam protoparentum; cum nequaquam appareat quomodo huiusmodi sententia componi queat cum iis quae fontes revelatae veritatis et acta Magisterii Ecclesiae proponunt de peccato originali quod procedit ex peccato vere commisso ab uno Adamo, quodque generatione in omnes transfusum, inest unicuique proprium (cfr. Rom. 5, 12- 19; Conc. Trid. sess. V, can. 1-4). \nNote, that the pope is not merely saying \"it is hard to see how original sin reconciles with polygenism\" He is saying that it is our faith that one individual, Adam, existed and sinned and propagated through generation original sin, and how can polygenism be reconciled with that historical fact?\nIf you deny that, you are a heretic. Bolin, mind boggingly, said we don't know how original sin is propagated. That is not true. And either he knows better, or he is wonderfully incompetent here. Some of the Canons cited by the Holy Father\n1. If any one does not confess that the first man, Adam, when he had transgressed the commandment of God in Paradise, immediately lost the holiness and justice wherein he had been constituted; and that he incurred, through the offence of that prevarication, the wrath and indignation of God, and consequently death, with which God had previously threatened him, and, together with death, captivity under his power who thenceforth had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil, and that the entire Adam, through that offence of prevarication, was changed, in body and soul, for the worse; let him be anathema.\n2. If any one asserts, that the prevarication of Adam injured himself alone, and not his posterity; and that the holiness and justice, received of God, which he lost, he lost for himself alone, and not for us also; or that he, being defiled by the sin of disobedience, has only transfused death, and pains of the body, into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul; let him be anathema:--whereas he contradicts the apostle who says; By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned. \nSo there was an individual Adam and he sinned and through generation we all sin in him. Which unless he was truly head of the human race makes no sense....",
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"text": "Question I: Whether the various exegetical systems which have been proposed to exclude the literal historical sense of the three first chapters of the Book of Genesis, and have been defended by the pretense of science, are sustained by a solid foundation? -- Reply: In the negative.\nQuestion II: Whether, when the nature and historical form of the Book of Genesis does not oppose, because of the peculiar connections of the three first chapters with each other and with the following chapters, because of the manifold testimony of the Old and New Testaments; because of the almost unanimous opinion of the Holy Fathers, and because of the traditional sense which, transmitted from the Israelite people, the Church always held, it can be taught that the three aforesaid chapters of Genesis do not contain the stories of events which really happened, that is, which correspond with objective reality and historical truth; but are either accounts celebrated in fable drawn from the mythologies and cosmogonies of ancient peoples and adapted by a holy writer to monotheistic doctrine, after expurgating any error of polytheism; or allegories and symbols, devoid of a basis of objective reality, set forth under the guise of history to inculcate religious and philosophical truths; or, finally, legends, historical in part and fictitious in part, composed freely for the instruction and edification of souls? -- Reply: In the negative to both parts. \nQuestion III: Whether in particular the literal and historical sense can be called into question, where it is a matter of facts related in the same chapters, which pertain to the foundation of the Christian religion; for example, among others, the creation of all things wrought by God in the beginning of time; the special creation of man; the formation of the first woman from the first man; the oneness of the human race; the original happiness of our first parents in the state of justice, integrity, and immortality; the command given to man by God to prove his obedience; the transgression of the divine command through the devil's persuasion under the guise of a serpent; the casting of our first parents out of that first state of innocence; and also the promise of a future restorer? -- Reply: In the negative.\nQuestion IV: Whether in interpreting those passages of these chapters, which the Fathers and Doctors have understood differently, but concerning which they have not taught anything certain and definite, it is permitted, while preserving the judgment of the Church and keeping the analogy of faith, to follow and defend that opinion which everyone has wisely approved? -- Reply: In the affirmative. \nQuestion V: Whether all and everything, namely, words and phrases which occur in the aforementioned chapters, are always and necessarily to be accepted in a special sense, so that there may be no deviation from this, even when the expressions themselves manifestly appear to have been taken improperly, or metaphorically or anthropomorphically, and either reason prohibits holding the proper sense, or necessity forces its abandonment? -- Reply: In the negative.\nQuestion VI: Whether, presupposing the literal and historical sense, the allegorical and prophetical interpretation of some passages of the same chapters, with the example of the Holy Fathers and the Church herself showing the way, can be wisely and profitably applied? -- Reply: In the affirmative.\nQuestion VII: Whether, since in writing the first chapter of Genesis it was not the mind of the sacred author to teach in a scientific manner the detailed constitution of visible things and the complete order of creation, but rather to give his people a popular notion, according as the common speech of the times went, accommodated to the understanding and capacity of men, the propriety of scientific language is to be investigated exactly and always in the interpretation of these? -- Reply: In the negative.\nQuestion VIII: Whether in that designation and distinction of six days, with which the account of the first chapter of Genesis deals, the word (dies) can be assumed either in its proper sense as a natural day, or in the improper sense of a certain space of time; and whether with regard to such a question there can be free disagreement among exegetes? -- Reply: In the affirmative.",
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"text": "English for the masses ^",
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"text": "Oh, Mr. Kenz, pandering to the masses again with your vernacular translation.",
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"text": "WRT Matthew J. Peterson's points (in general, not in specific details) Literal in the above texts I read as being literal in the way used in Catholic texts, as in the letters actually refers to history, not in the way the term is always used now, whether the letter is \"figurative or literal\" So maybe the literal historical sense of a serpent tempting Eve, is simply that Satan tempted Eve, and the serpent signifies Satan \"improperly\" to use Aquinas' terms\nBut I do think a, even at time na\u00efve, \"hyper literalism\" is a better starting point than trying to make everything a figure. The presumption should be on showing that it is a figure, no? Sometimes easy (God repented) sometimes more debated (God walking in the garden in Adam).",
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"text": "I was wondering how long it'd take you to show up, Joshua.",
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"text": "Joshua Kenz, all of your arguments, including your interpretation of PBC 1909, have already surfaced and been refuted. So let me ask you about a point you did not address. Above, I quoted a passage from Ratzinger's In the Beginning in which he proposes a \"relational\" account of original sin, in which account physical generation is not required for propagation. Is this account heretical?",
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"text": "Bolin, I am not arguing with you. I am also not going to dissect Ratzinger's early writings. He did make errors. What he meant here, I don't know, but it is irrelevant. Trent is clear, as is Pius XII. It is not permitted....\nYou assert my \"interpretation\" has been refuted. What interpretation? I just posted the text. \nI am sorry, I stand by everything I said, and condemn as heresy what I called heresy. I am not getting into one of these debates like I had with Louis and his arguments that atheists have actual faith and adultery is not always wrong. (or worse that Aquinas agreed with him despite saying the exact opposite)\nThe Church is very clear on certain central points. Even Ratzinger's account speaks of the individual Adam, the originator of the human race, etc.\nI don't necessarily read him the way you do. But if it denies that original sins is passed down, generation to generaton, then yes it is heretical. I don't think it does...but as I said, irrelevant. Ratzinger made mistakes elsewhere (petrine authority for one). Whether this is one of those times or not would be all such a debate over his meaning could answer, since the Catholic faith on this point is clear.\nI am sorry I don't bow before the Bolin intellect on such questions. I don't have the #bolingnosis I do know what the Church has said, and I merely presented that. And I know what scripture says. And I know that you are no expert on modern science, any more than I or John Paul II who said the same are, and the experts I have encountered have been far less confident in this area.",
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"text": "And while I could not read every comment above in detail, I did skim all of them since the time of my last post. You offered no refutations whatsoever. Don't try pulling a fast one like that. You posted Ratzinger. Fine. I posted the CHURCH.",
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"text": "If I did read his relational account as saying that is all original sin is, and not a deprivation of original just inherited by generation, it would be Pelagian...essentially the same as their position that original sin is not ontological, but by moral example, a snowball effect. I don't read it that way, especially since Ratzinger has a relational account of the human person himself, so damage in his relationality is ontological for him.\nI don't agree with that account of the person, and so neither this account of original sin. But you are trying to pull a fast one, text dumping from a theologian who is operating under a very different set of assumptions and terminology, without alluding to that fact.",
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"text": "Joshua, figures don't exist without the literal. So IMHO throwing out the literal meaning also throws out the figurative. \nBut again, the \"hyper-literal\" - as you put it - has never been the absolute approach of the fathers of the church. The dogma of the propagation of original sin mentions Adam as the first parent. The canons of Trent to not mention Eve, strangely.",
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"text": "Nor did I claim they were...only that as a starting assumption, you are safer assuming proper signification of a passage then assuming metaphorical signification more often than not. I.e. of the two tendencies, one to exaggerate the historical character and the other to downplay it, the former is a better side to err on.\nOf course on many points we must admit metaphorical language, and on many points there is legitimate debate (even some of the Fathers wondered about the extent of the flood).",
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"text": "oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. I think, following St. Augustine, that there is good reason to disagree with a literal 24 hour interpretation of the creation in Genesis. I don't think that it works the same for Adam and original sin. The canons of Trent are very clear on that (although they only mention Adam and not Eve, which I suppose could leave a crack open for polygenesis, so long as Adam is the father of all?)",
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"text": "Joshua, you posted the 1909 PBC text with the seeming intention to imply that it rules out certain opinions expressed earlier in this thread. That implication was indeed refuted earlier.\nYour general approach to these questions suggests that you mistake your own interpretation of the Church's teachings for the teachings themselves. It does no good to claim, for example, \"Trent teaches X\" when the Church's own shepherds have made clear in the past half-century that the Church does not intend to teach X. Among other things, they have made it clear that polygenism has not been definitively ruled out, and that the scriptural accounts of creation do not intend to give us an account of the origins of the cosmos and of man, and that nor do they exclude the contemporary scientific account of these things in its broad strokes and even in its details.\nFurthermore, your personal comments are uncalled for. You have no idea whether or not I am an expert on modern science, nor do you know whether I know more or less than you do about it. Since I do not know what you know about modern science, I do not know this either, but unlike you I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what I do not know.\nI have already stated that I do not know whether polygenism is true. Should the Church in the future declare it false, I will accept that judgment. What will be your response should she explicitly declare it permissible?",
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"text": "I should add that that has basically already happened, since when the head of the CDF signed off on the publication of the ITC document \"Communion and Stewardship,\" that action signified that the contents represent, at a minimum, permissible Catholic opinion.",
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"text": "Micheal, Kenz knows it all. Haven't you realized that yet? Hence, the reason why he has blocked both Jeff and I. Just pat him on the head and say, good boy. There there.",
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"text": "And he only blocked me because I'm married to Jeff ",
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"text": "Well, maybe because I troll a bit.",
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"text": "Just a bit? Though I guess it's the trolls that keeps this alive...",
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"text": "That won't happen, because she has already declared it impermissible\nIf it did, it would disprove the Catholic faith, since it is modernist heresy to understand dogmas otherwise than they were understood at the time and always.",
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"text": "Liz: That is quickly becoming clear. It is one thing when the non-Catholics on this thread don't accept the authority of the Church, and quite another when self-professed Catholics do so. And to make oneself the final interpreter of the Church's teaching is in fact to reject that teaching.",
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"text": "Right, Joshua, because you know better than St. John Paul II and Ratzinger how to interpret the past teachings of the Church.",
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"text": "Unfortunately, I agree Michael. I do think he is young though. I just don't understand blocking someone who has a difference of opinion. Goes back immaturity, IMO. Lauren, how else to break up the monotony?",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, wouldn't Trent not mention Eve for the reason that Adam held a unique place as head of the human race..if Adam had not sinne, even though Eve had the human race would have have fallen.",
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"text": "\"If it did, it would disprove the Catholic faith, since it is modernist heresy to understand dogmas otherwise than they were understood at the time and always.\"\nSo, it seems I must choose between the magisterium of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI and the magisterium of Joshua Kenz. Decisions, decisions.",
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"text": "No Bolin. Communion and Stewardship does not undo Humani generis, and neither does John Paul II who quotes it with approval.\n\"For Adam, the first man, was a type of him who was to come, Christ the Lord. \"\nYes it does talk about a common genetic lineage in a \"a humanoid population\" And then goes on to quote John Paul II about the ontological leap, \" Mainly concerned with evolution as it \u201cinvolves the question of man,\u201d however, Pope John Paul\u2019s message is specifically critical of materialistic theories of human origins and insists on the relevance of philosophy and theology for an adequate understanding of the \u201contological leap\u201d to the human which cannot be explained in purely scientific terms.\"\nIn short, the document, which is not magisterial but was \"signed off on\" as you say, no where really addresses the question of polygenism with respect to the human person, and in affirming Adam as a type, strongly implies the traditional orthodoxy of all descending from Adam and his very real historical existence.\nHe would not be a type if he did not exist. I am not setting myself up as the authority here. You are getting approved by two people blocked by me who cannot even see what I am saying (blocked over accusing me of arguing the opposite of what I argued).\nThe document",
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"text": "No, you must choose between your idiosyncratic reading of Ratzinger, which you suddenly transmute into the magisterium of Benedict XVI, despite the writings being well before his papacy, and the traditional understanding of the dogma.\nIf anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.\nJ'accuse.",
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"text": "In short, I am not rejecting anything of the magisterium. I am rejecting the bullshit you claim is found in it when in fact it is not.",
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"text": "it is hard to argue with this:\n2. If any one asserts, that the prevarication of Adam injured himself alone, and not his posterity; and that the holiness and justice, received of God, which he lost, he lost for himself alone, and not for us also; or that he, being defiled by the sin of disobedience, has only transfused death, and pains of the body, into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul; let him be anathema:--whereas he contradicts the apostle who says; By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.",
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"text": "When discussing the ontological leap (which pertains to the doctrine of the immediate creation of the human soul), Communion and Stewardship says this: \"Catholic theology affirms that the emergence of the first members of the human species (whether as individuals or in populations) represents an event that is not susceptible of a purely natural explanation and which can appropriately be attributed to divine intervention.\" The manifest intention of that parenthetical is to leave room for polygenism. I am fairly confident that you will deny this, but that does not make it any less manifest.\nI am not referring to the passage from In the Beginning when I speak of the magisterium of Benedict XVI, but to many other things, some of which were cited earlier, such as Easter Vigil 2011 homily.\n\"If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.\"\nIndeed, and well put. You will note that it does not say, \"If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which Joshua Kenz has understood and understands: let him be anathema.\"\nIf you do not even have the humility to say that you would change your opinion should the Church reject it, but instead feel the need to say that if the Church rejected your opinion it would disprove the Catholic faith, I think we're done here.",
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"text": "I am not presenting an opinion though, no more than I would be presenting an opinion if I said that faith was necessary for salvation, or that God is Triune. If, per impossibile, the Church were to declare one of those false, it would disprove the Catholic Faith. The Church holds, with St. Paul, that from one man sin entered the world. I am not someone who will say that if the pope calls black white, then it is white. I am not capable, since I am not Hegelian, of turning propositions inside out as you apparently are.\nFWIW, I am absolutely sure, because of the Faith, that such contradiction will not nay could not happen\nHumility has nothing to do with my confidence in my faith.",
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"text": "Or rather I should say, arrogance has nothing to do with it. If you knew my history, you would know that the only real manifestation of humility in me was in accepting the Faith.",
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"text": "is anyone denying that \"by one man sin entered into the world..\"?",
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"text": "Apparently some people think one man can mean many men....",
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"text": "Seriously, Jeffie, does anyone deny that dogmatic statement?",
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"text": "Joshua, the \"polygenesis\" refers to many eves not many adams",
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"text": "So Adam just got around?",
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"text": "I don't believe anyone has denied that, Michael, and of course it is indifferent to the question of polygenism.",
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"text": "Even Eve took her descent in some way from Adam.",
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"text": "Michael Bolin, you aren't making your case very strongly",
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"text": "It is completely relevant. Either we descended from Adam and Eve or we did not. Only Adam, qua head of the race, could sin in a way in which humanity could fall in him",
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"text": "the burden of proof is on you to say how polygenesis doesn't effect the dogmatic statement above",
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"text": "And you are right, I don't read the Communion and Stewardship the way you did. Because it doesn't say what you want it to say. The moment of emergence of the human person, whether in individuals or populations, is not discernible to empiricism. That is not saying anything about polygenism. And the fact remains that they could nothold Adam as a type if Adam had not existed!",
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"text": "You can make Adam a \"common ancestor\" with many Eves...genetic drift\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve...\nBut you would still have the difficulty in explaining how that is not incidental to the human race as a unity.",
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"text": "Just random question... If we want more than just Adam and Eve at the beginning, why not also after the flood?",
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"text": "Michael: If there were many human beings, why would that mean that sin did not enter the world through one of them?",
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"text": "How would it work?",
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"text": "Remember I can't read Kenz. So I only see Bolin and you. The dogmatic statement is to the universality of the sin by Adam. I haven't seen any statements that say it was otherwise.",
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"text": "look up ^^^^",
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"text": "the universality of the sin of Adam is because he is the \"first parent\"",
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"text": "Kenz, unblock Jeff... he'll behave",
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"text": "So you'd have to change what it would mean for someone to be a parent then?",
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"text": "The flood is not just two people, Lauren",
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"text": "The reason for the confusion about original sin is that people are assuming that original sin is propagated (only) by biological generation. But as I have pointed out before, that is not a dogmatic teaching.",
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"text": "then what the hell does \"parent\" mean?",
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"text": "Theory's are ok...",
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"text": "How else would it be propagated and how would that be fitting?",
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"text": "(The flood isn't just two, it's what 8? Is that such a huge difference for populating the whole world and establishing cities?)",
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"text": "I don't have a personal theory about that. I quoted one offered by Ratzinger earlier, which Joshua attempted to dodge because he didn't want to call Ratzinger a heretic.",
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"text": "Theories do have to show why they are fitting and how they don't contradict what we know though.",
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"text": "what is the point of calling Adam, \"First Parent\" if it doesn't refer to generation?",
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"text": "I agree Lauren, still trying to catch up",
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"text": "The fact is that we know very little about the origins of the human race, and we have to accept that. Making things up doesn't mean they're true.",
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"text": "Cough...prima pars q. 100 a. 2.... cough\nBut I guess Aquinas was stoopid in holding with every Catholic theologian of the time and all the Fathers, that Adam was unique. And indeed Pius X was stoopid for thinking that made such teaching infallible.. forget the sensus fidelium, the sensus theologicorum and the sensus Patrium. And Trent was stoopid for making us take an oath that said we would never understand scripture against the sensus Patrium.",
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"text": "I should really read the Illiad... And it's always nice when people repeat things especially on this thread since it goes so fast, saying it's already been said doesn't help. Everything has been said here...",
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"text": "Let's hold off on the flood for a moment and whether it was global, earlier today we resolved by consensus that it wasn't. \nFocusing just on the human pool at \"the rational moment\" the question is whether generation is required as child or as race with Adam as the first of our species.",
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"text": "About the propagation of original sin, Benedict XVI said this: \"We may guess, not explain; nor may we recount it as one fact beside another, because it is a deeper reality. It remains a mystery of darkness, of night.\" Which is exactly right.",
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"text": "We are a democracy now?",
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"text": "appeal to ignorance isn't an argument",
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"text": "Bolin, I am willing to call a spade a spade. Ratzinger's account must be read in light of his view that human person is a relational being. Stop this nonsense.",
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"text": "And by that you mean that his opinions about original sin are heretical?",
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"text": "No, I mean you are misreading him",
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"text": "Couldn't that refer to just passing on of sin from Adam to all men through generation? That's a big mystery! How is sin carried from one to the other. Weirdly, somehow I passed it onto my daughter.",
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"text": "I can't go back 10000 comments. . Just can't. Homeschooling takes up a bit of the day. ",
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"text": "I said what I said clearly enough before. Bolin doesn't seem to want to actually engage what I said...he prefers rhetoric",
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"text": "Life takes up a bit of the day Liz ",
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"text": "Joshua, until you tell me that you will admit to being wrong if the Church explicitly teaches the permissibility of polygenism, I'm done arguing with you.",
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"text": "For sure!",
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"text": "Then stop arguing you sophistical modernist",
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"text": "Michael Beitia, do you really mean to suggest that we can only hold to accounts of original sin that don't leave us ignorant of anything?",
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"text": "What's unfortunate is that I can't see Kenz",
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"text": "are you 02 or 03? do I know you?",
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"text": "Yes I would be wrong...in holding the Catholic faith then. But that is impossible. Would you admit you are wrong about the historicity of Christ if the Church declared so? You would disdain the dilemma, as impossible",
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"text": "There was certainly a consenus, before the 20th century, on their being one set of parents, and of other aspects of the doctrine here, both in the sensus fidelium and the sensus theologicorum, to say nothing of the fathers. Therefore it constitutes infallible teaching",
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"text": "Michael, I was '03.",
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"text": "Alright, trying to remember.",
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"text": "Liz? She didn't attend but her sister graduated '96",
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"text": "Peter bolin, I knew class of 96????",
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"text": "I knew your older brother, Michael!",
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"text": "what I'm saying, Michael Bolin, is that saying \"its a dark mystery\" is not license to make up whatever that we speculate on, flying in the face of all that is taught.",
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